Scariest moment I ever had with an old gun was when an ex handed me a gorgeous side-by-side shotgun from over her grandmother's fireplace. Being a gun guy, the first thing I did was open it up...and the sad remains of two paper-hulled cartridges popped out. The primers were well-dimpled. I don't know if the primers had failed or if water or oil had gotten down the barrels and ruined the powder, but clearly people had played with the gun for decades, never knowing that it was loaded.
I played with an old 36 cal muzzle loader in my granddad's garage in my 10's and teens. I didn't know gun at the time. Dry fired it dozens of times. No cap mercifully. Yup it was loaded. Eventually I inherited it and took it to a shop.
Remember going through my great grandfather fathers house after he had passed, opened a box in his closet, found a 1952 browning hipower loaded and cocked along with a second mag and a 100 rd 9mm box from interarms. Scared the shot out of me but as a gun guy finding a hi power he had bought after getting back from Korea was great.
I grew up knowing that my great uncle had an old bolt-action rifle, that he said was an Enfield, in his closet. He'd showed it to me once or twice when I was very young and didn't know what an Enfield looked like. He told me it was brought back from WW1 by a "Lt. Denis". A few years ago, when he was on his deathbed, my gruncle offered to give me the rifle. His wife brought it out. It wasn't an Enfield, but a rather a Dovitiis Mauser in relatively good condition. My gruncle had apparently mistaken the St Denis mark on the barrel for a name. On my particular example, the "Mod 71 I.G." was very very faint under the finish. My relatives surrounding me, a bunch of gun-muggles, were absolutely mortified that the first thing I did was to open the action and inspect the chamber.
I still havent gotten this habit down and low and behold the other day I pulled one out and after taking the scope I was wanting off of it opened it and it was loaded.....i did at least have it pointed in a safe direction the whole time, and the safety was on but yeah, really need to work on that.
Exactly. I doubted that my gruncle, who wasn't a gun guy at all, kept it loaded - but I was laboring under the delusion that this was a magazine-fed rifle (until I saw the distinct lack of magazine) and I wasn't taking any chances regardless.
I'm up to the third loaded "Its an antique and not loaded" Muzzle loader for the year. The last one was a Double Barrel shotgun that had only one barrel loaded. There wasn't much shot left in it but there was still a full charge of old black powder and the nipples were hammered over so people had be playing roulette with it for probably the last 100 years!!!
i understood the theory was if the rod you insert has a single centermeter of leftover length relative to the length of the barrel? Assume it is loaded
There was a British cannon on display in Central Park in New York from the 1860s until 1996 when they put it in storage to protect it from vandals. After it had been in storage for over a decade, they got around to checking it, and of course it turned out to be loaded.
For any older or used gun, like your auto pistols or Auto 5 - replace, at a minimum, the recoil springs. They are consumables. I've pulled springs that are like noodles, and ones that are inches shorter than the new one.
Mark D and stored loaded magazines are often boogered. Don’t listen to the high speed low drag heroes. Mags do fatigue when stored loaded. (Yes it can take a long time).
I have made spring replacement a regular thing for any "new to me" Semi-auto. I had a luger that gave me all kinds of grief and threw brass into orbit until I did a complete spring replacement. Once that was done It ran quite reliably.
Ive done this with newer ARs with less than 1000 rounds through them lol, so yes, definitely change out the recoil springs on old guns. The last one had a recoil spring that was 2 inches shorter than the same replacement. With far less than 1000 rounds through it. Also, with A5s, buy up some spare friction rings, because they are getting harder and harder to find, and more expensive. I have like 4 spares saved up for mine, even though the factory ones are still perfect. I take one out for light loads per Browning literature, and on the 12 magnum, there is nowhere to store it inside the gun, so you just have to put it in your pocket. so they are going to get lost at some point.
Springs "take a set" when they're brand new and still good. A perfectly good spring can be significantly shorter than a brand new one - that's not a way to tell if a spring is good or not. It's the actual tension in the spring that determines that. @@john-paulsilke893 Leaving a spring loaded does it no harm. It's working the spring between its extremes that wears them out.
immikeurnot I know of several grandpa guns stored in a closet for more then a decade that would definitely disagree. Stored loaded all but the Remington pump couldn’t reliably feed all their ammunition. Yes typically longish storage with compressed springs isn’t an issue.
There is a slightly less commonly known way an overpressure situation can happen with an underloaded cartridge. If the powder isn't all the way up against the primer, such as in an extremely underloaded cartridge, the primer itself can create enough pressure to just slightly push the bullet out of the case and THEN the powder is ignited, but it doesn't build up the pressure as it would normally to gradually push the bullet out.
Another situation where this can happen is with rifles with extreme throat erosion. The bullet is forced into the barrel with not enough pressure and temperature forming in the case for the powder to catch on. Those circumstances were successfully replicated under laboratory conditions with a worn out 6.5x55 Mauser barrel fitted to a pressure measuring reciever. There was an article at some point in Handloader Magazine, somebody copied it into this thread. castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?5357-SEE-Big-Bang
During the Eighties a coworker / Viet veteran reloaded some 38 shells(light loaded) for use by young son. Results were bad ; bullet left brass hung in barrel! Same person light loaded rifle ammo ;to bad results(no one injured)Reloading requires science; attention to details not just spare money.Same person destroyed a 380 barrel ; factory replaced. Important to be very careful ,who you visit the firing range with!
Kinda on topic: I was at Walmart years ago buying ammo for a range trip. As I walked up, a young guy (I was 23, he was probably 21) was talking to the clerk comparing .357 magnum, .38 special, and .380 auto. He had the three boxes laid out and the 3 cartridges lined up. I focused on the case looking at ammo prices and options, thinking about what I wanted to buy. I could hear them talking in the background about which ".38" he needed for his gun. The clerk was looking in the case saying "That's all the .38s for a handgun I think I have." The employee that was helping me turns around to get my ammo that I asked for, and I glanced over at the same time to the customer next to me to see a revolver pointing at my head. He had the gun pointing sideways, cylinder open, trying to put cartridges in the cylinder to see if they fit. I said to the guy "I'd appreciate it if you didn't point a gun at me." He said "It's fine, the cylinder is open." I said "You were just trying to close it 5 seconds ago with that .357 magnum sticking out of it." I then walked away to the front of the store where I told a manager what was unfolding back at sporting goods. She was mortified. 😄 I told her "If I pulled my gun out in your store I'd expect to either be saving my life or yours, and cops would be on their way regardless of anyone getting shot. Please remove those 2 (!!!) employees from sporting goods and re-train them on firearm safety before someone gets shot by a customer by accident. This is ridiculous. I can't believe I just watched that unfold." She was speechless. I was NOT rude to her nor did I yell or belittle her. It was not her fault. I worked retail; I was not blaming or punishing her for anything that happened because that would be totally unfair. I get it when people don't know what caliber their old gun actually fires, but you can't bring the fucking thing to Walmart and open boxes of live ammo to see which ones will chamber and allow the cylinder to close. 🙄 I didn't stick around long to tell him that that old revolver was probably chambered for .38 S&W and he wouldn't ever find that at Walmart.
There’s also the wait 10 second rule regarding old or questionable ammo. If it doesn’t either go BANG, sounds odd, or just goes click. Wait for about 10 seconds or longer before opening the chamber. You may experience a hang fire where the round takes some time before going off. On reloaded ammo I also look at the primer for signs excessive pressure, like flattening of the primer or cratering around the firing pin mark.
This is a good one to be aware of, cause it's human nature to go "why no bang" and start investigating as soon as the gun doesn't go off like it was supposed to....
With (quite) new ammo I give a dud 30 seconds. It rarely happens with brand new ammo also. Often might be just a weak hammer/striker spring of the gun compared with too deep seated primers. And I never had an actual hangfire with ammo produced well after WWII. But you never know for sure! With decades old ammo I would give it at least a minute or two before I would open the chamber!
Merry Christmas Othias and Bruno! One thing you omitted in regards to ammunition which I think is relevant is old shotguns that were originally designed for roll crimped shells. While firing modern triangular crimped shells in a shotgun designed for roll crimped shells, it's entirely possible to partially obstruct the barrel just past the chamber and induce an unsafe pressure situation. Old shotguns that are going to be shot with triangular crimped shells need to be inspected to ensure that there is adequate space for the crimp to expand into and not create any partial obstruction. Again, Happy Holidays and best regards to you all!
Old shotguns should be used with low brass target shells. Damascus twist barreled shotguns are "wall hangers" because you never know when they will unravel.
2019: "You can configure our firearm any which way you like for your comfort!" 1917: "Our firearm will configure you, usually by smashing any body part that gets in its way."
Yep...original 1911 comes to mind...fearsome hammer bite!!! John Browning must've had really small hands. The Remington New Model Army raps your knuckles under recoil with the trigger guard. My Uberti Win 1866 spits the hot black powder brass up and onto my head...I have to wear a hat while shooting it.
I inherited sportarized 30-40 Krag from my grandfather. First thing I did when I got my hands on it was to check the chamber, and of course it's loaded.
wizard3z castor I have actually heard this possible myth. It’s entirely possible although much like our sgts I imagine if he caught you pissing on your gun you’d wish you had never been born as he’d make you clean half a division worth of personal arms for such a travesty.
@@john-paulsilke893 well a little more back ground im talking like korean war era vet was telling me how to clean my new supposedly ww2 mosin because i had gotten 1960's spam can ammo (from my history of soviet training its believable )
@@john-paulsilke893 anyone in the service doesnt give a shit about corrosion in their issued rifle lmao. you piss in your mosin at home, on your own time ;)
I remember when I was quite young, standing beside my father as he was shooting old surplus armor piercing ammo though a m1917 when the rifle exploded in a shower of of wood. It almost took his thumb off. Thank you for stressing safety with these old firearms.
My oldest brother almost shot me between the eyes with an "unloaded " 308. Seems that our Dad lost count when he came home from hunting - it was a Sabre-tip mushroom round for killing moose. My other brother had just taken a firearm safety course- he begged him to "check the action first ". It got real quiet when that "very much" live round ejected and landed on the floor- I can still see that shiny brass round spinning through the air in slow mo.
Excellent video. It can't be understated the number of ways these old guns can confuse you operation-wise. I had a guy fight with my Steyr M95 infantry rifle for several minutes trying to get the action open before I explained to him it was a straight pull.
At one point in time, I was asked to Inspect a very old Muzzleloader it had been loaded ready to go for more than 60 years it's spent that entire time hanging on the wall above the fireplace. I was a rang master at the time, after I extracted the change with the proper ball extraction tool I tested the black powder. It was still viable. It was a flint lock, I tested the lock it worked fine so that gun had been hanging on the wall ready to go bang the entire time.
Won a Remington Rolling Block on an auction site. Heading said ".45-70". I was thrilled. My FFL guy even put a .45-70 round in the chamber ALMOST all the way. I'm sure it would have closed with a little force, but I started having some BIG doubts. I measured the bore at the muzzle to find NO WAY a .458 (actual .45-70) would come close to making it through. Thanks to an expert taking the time to try to educate me I learned the gun was a .43 Spanish. I cleaned the mechanics and bore, then measured the precise chamber *depths* with a mic and borescope. Yup ... .43 Spanish. I returned the weapon to the auction site after putting the caliber all over the tape on the bubble wrap as well as a string tag on the trigger guard. The next week it was on auction again ... as a .45-70!
"dont dry fire old guns you dont know about" Yeah i learned that the hard way, scored a super old model 12 for 200 bucks then snapped the fireing pin in half the second day of owning it because i was snapping away at it before looking it up and learning they are known for snapping pins.
I'm not shure if you covered it or not but one of the biggest mistakes I have seen is . When you come back in do not just wipe of and store away your gun .! You have to let it completely come to the ambient(room) temperature (internally and externally) before you clean and store . To put a cold/warm gun into storage can cause rust . Let it set for a hour or two before you clean and store . I have seen a lot of rusty guns because they came home wiped it off , oiled it up and put a cold gun in storage . NOT good .if you take care of it properly it can last several lifetimes . If mishandled it can cost a life time . Dead right or dead wrong ... dead is dead . Have fun stay safe . Safety first , last and always . Happy holidays . "Deeds not words"
Back in the Mid 80's, I took a job with a PD, replacing an officer who, ah, well, died while cleaning his revolver. Coming from a very modern PD, where I had served as Chief of Police until a fellow who hated me became the Mayor and I was forced out, I was shocked at the laxity of these guys when it came to firearms maintenance. One of the officers brought me his personal firearm (we all had to furnish our own guns, the city would furnish the ammo) and complained that the old Colt Trooper MKIII would not eject the cartridges. So being a sort of gun guy, I looked it over, opened the cylinder and pressed the eject plunger, sure enough she was locked tight! So I went to my shop and got my brass hammer, and a wooden dowel a bit smaller then .357, and began driving the old .357 magnum cartridges from the gun. It had not been cleaned, ever, according to the officer, and was only fired once a year for qualification. It was a sad old revolver, but I cleaned her up so she looked and worked like new once again. The other officer had the only City Issue revolver, but being a retired sailor, he took very good care of the firearm, not a problem, there was one more officer on the PD, he had a small detective special which looked almost, well I will say it, stupid strapped to his Sam Brown around his 57 inch waist on his 350 pound plus 6'4" frame. It wasn't in to bad of shape, I cleaned it up for him, and he managed to qualify with the gun. I was thankful that my normal backup officer was the fellow with the Trooper MkIII since I now had it working and he was pretty good with especially now that it has been cleaned for the first time in it's career.
I'm reviewing this video for the third time, and I wanted to say Thank You for all your hard work and dedication in creating this channel. Years ago a cousin took me shooting. That helped me realize that guns, real physical guns, are pretty cool. Ian's channel got me interested in historical firearms. But your channel has acted as a *massive* accelerant in enabling me to participate in collecting and appreciating firearms. And I'm very grateful for that.
About Balistol: The smell is from all the herbs he put in. It was designed to be used as Gun and Lather oil but also to cure several diseases. Because it is not made after the newer German medical laws they are not allowed to print that on. You can see it only on old packages. They now offer different oils with more specific labels (stimulates the blood flow, lessens itching, suitable for massages) but the old one combined it all. The still do it that way because customers wanted it to stay the same and be able to use it in all the other ways. (There some really curious descriptions out there).
One other thing to consider when storing a gun is if you put long guns in a vertical rack with the stock down, oils will tend to soak into the stock and weaken it over time. It’s not a major concern and is usually unavoidable unless you devote a whole wall to storing them horizontally, but it’s good to check for cracks periodically either way.
My younger brother gave me a Marlin 1895 45-70 who's butt stock was in splinters, turns out he knew it was going to have significant recoil, so he held it up against a tree to test fire it. Marlin Company fixed me up with a new butt stock.
On the ammo topic: went to the range with a buddy once. I was shooting my rifle du jur, he was shooting his Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R. He gets talking to another guy during a cease fire who is also shooting a Mosin. Buddy tries the gun and thinks it really cool that this guy had a Russian Mosin in .308 (aka 7.62x51). I got suspicious and looked at the gun. Turns out "308 mosin guy" was new to shooting, bought the gun from a sporting goods store, and bought the ammo from a different sporting goods store. Told the guy behind the counter he needed "7.62 ammo" and the knucklehead sold him 308 without asking what he was shooting. So, he and my buddy shot the better party of a box of 7.62 nato (aka .308 win) through his 7.62x54R mosin before I stopped them. No burst cases, but some pretty interesting bulges in the brass.
der schwartzadder That doesn't sound to me like it would work, for a number of reasons, but most of all there'd be no logical way for it to extract even if the firing pin protruded far enough to hit the primer of the .308... but I have obviously never tried it so I can't say for sure.
I talked to a guy at our range during hunter safety day: He said that he was hunting and couldn't figure out why he couldn't hit anything- until he saw that he was shooting .270 in an 30-06.
@@noth606 I was surprised it worked too. I think the case dimensions matched enough that the primer was in a position that worked. Something about the taper of the 54R. Edit: if you look up the dimensions of 7.62 NATO and 7.62x54R, the dimension from the base to the shoulder of the case is nearly identical. Thus, the nato round will seat and fire, but be unsupported.
I don't think the guy working at the second store is a knucklehead at all. If I was a salesman and a guy came asking for "7.62 ammo" I'm a gun nerd and of course I'd ask "7.62 by what?" However, it's the customer's responsibility to know what they want. If he just said "7.62 ammo for my rifle" and the employee gave him x51 and asked if that's what he meant, it's on the shooter to specify. Would'a been hilarious if he handed him a box of 7.62x38R instead of x51. Good luck. 😆
mannys9130 I think you’re generally right that the burden falls on the buyer to know what he actually wants/needs. Hooooowever given that an ammo misunderstanding could literally kill them, I think it would be best to make sure. Better to be seen as a kinda pedantic asshole by some experienced customers and save the newbie :D
Three things I would add: 1) the length of shot-shells and the length of the chamber; 2) tight necks on chambers = do not fire factory ammo and 3) Be careful with newer higher-spec ammo and older actions: e.g 6.5 Swedish but there are many others.
What my grandfather gave me: an Arisaka Type 99 chambered in 7.7x58 Unobtanium. I sourced replacements for the parts they made him remove before shipping it back from Okinawa during World War II, and actually managed to get some ammo (Hornady, for a while, contracted PRVI Partizan to make it under their metric line). Mechanically, the gun is in excellent condition. Cosmetically, it really could use a skilled hand. It was a 1941-production and went through the entire Pacific war and is beat to shit. It could stand someone doing that technique to convert rust to bluing. By the time I got the parts (striker, bolt knob, striker spring) I already knew it was safe; an early-production example of one of the most overbuilt rifles ever made, with a clean chamber and bright bore.
What a fantastic idea for a video! As is said, "Think of the Gats!". Hopefully this will reach the right people, and maybe a few family hand-down heirloom antiques will get saved from becoming Bubba's favorite custom rifle. These are pieces of history that we can not only hold, but can sometimes still use as a practical tool, and for that they deserve to be preserved for future people who come on down the line! C&Rsenal is the best!! Thanks Othais, Bruno, and the rest of the awesome team!
You can always ask your local Gunsmith he or she have alot of knowledge for I'd and safety. I am one and it's also part of the job to educate and aid our customers. I'm always on call 24/7 for my customers
Unfortunately, not all gunsmiths are versed in these older military guns. Interview your prospective gunsmith as to their background and expertise with these guns. The best is to talk to serious military arms collectors in your area and see who they would recommend. A library/museum has on exhibit a M1917 Colt revolver and an M1911 Colt pistol used by a former president in WW1. Sometime in past, they were 'restored' and finished in that 1970's era hot blue/black finish and not to the correct finish of their era. Obviously, whoever did restoration was not aware of what original finish should have been restored to, whereas a gunsmith with more experience in old military would have known what the correct finish should have been.
Read, research and then go to a Smith. I actually have my shooters examined every year by a qualified gunsmith even though I have some knowledge. It’s helped me not get potentially hurt more then once and definitely saved me from breaking something significant and rendering a gun into a parts bin.
I’m planning to go to gunsmith school or an apprenticeship at some point, but I’ll definitely have to go to a location far from where I live, the local gunsmith didn’t know what a Mosin Nagant was, didn’t know the part I needed (a sear spring) and he had a Mosin on the rack five feet behind him.
I have severla mausers from my grandfather, along with an arisaka, and an 1898 krag. From his father, i have a model 12 winchester, and a crescent double barrel 12 ga.
@@nicholasgarcia399 you're so cute! You dont even know the applicable ages of different generations! Whatever generation you're a member of is sooo uninformed!
Even if I will never own a firearm in my life (Because gun laws in my country) and I know I have nobody in the family with a firearm, I still watched this video. And I'm not disappointed, there is a lot of advices where I could help a friend, one day
Ah yes....Brings back memories of a WWI era French rifle I was handed, way back when, and asked to figure out why the owner could not fully chamber a round in it.....That question only took a Mini-Mag flashlight and a small mirror to answer....At some point in it's past some flaming genus had managed to stuff a round, of some mystery caliber, so far up into the black powder darkened bore that a round of the correct make, model, and caliber could not be chambered (thank God!). Very, very carefully I used a wooden dowel and a old wooden mallet to also very, very slowly drive the mystery round out of the barrel, into the receiver and thus out of the rifle....The "mystery round" WAS a rifle round (no head stamp was visible) of somewhere in the .45calish range and MAY have been a black powder round. Since I was young, dumb, but steady of hand and sharp of eye I managed to get that round out without destroying the old military rifle or damaging myself for that matter. Just so you know, I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a gunsmith....But back then, when it came to old firearms at least, I was up to a challenge. Thanks for an informative video and The Lovely Bride, myself, and Barney the Dog wish y'all a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
You should be aware that when dealing with muzzle loading firearms with obstructed bores. If there is a ball , powder, ball situation in the barrel, bare in mind that trying to knock the ball out by using a dowel and mallet has dangers. Black powder can go off due to impact. Try a bullet puller first and let the bore soak with oil in I'd for a few days to negate the black powder.
@@bobgarr6246 The incident with the old French rifle occurred many years ago and the rifle was a bolt action not a muzzle loader. However, your point was well made and I appreciate it. Every point you made is exactly what I SHOULD have done back then but was too young and frankly ignorant to know that I was basically working with pipe bomb! As time has passed I have became far more cautious about such things and would now never approach such a problem, be it with a muzzle loader (of which I have owned, fired, and hunted with many ) or a "mystery round" jammed, possibly for many decades, into the bore of a rifle. thank you again for pointing out what I SHOULD have done with old French bolt action as looking back over the decades that have passed since I would have been well served with such advice.
@@fdmackey3666 as a Smith I too have made over the years some......questionable decisios. Live and learn, learning being the key word. Thanks for your kind reply. Merry Christmas
I just oiled my firearms put them in a soft case with a glove didn’t touch them have them in my room where the temperature is pretty stable I just want to thank you guys for bringing that up I’ve had these for years you still look very good and no fingerprints thanks again guys!
I like your channel specifically because it is educational while also being fun. Keep it up and hope Y'all had a happy holidays from the woods of Pennsylvania (where I live)
I once bought an old flint lock at auction, it was loaded! Since I wanted to refinish the barrel I extracted the charge, put a match to the powder and 300 years on it went off. So yeah, be careful out there folks!
I found for corrosive ammo, run a mop coated with "Bore Butter"down the barrel to coat it, especially if it started to rain or ways a very humid day until I could get home to clean my rifle. Bore Butter is a product used to protect black powder residue from starting to rust the barrel, cylinder, and inline or flintlock mechanisms. It is like Crisco in viscosity. It will stick to anything until you warm the barrel up, or use Hoppes to clean everything. A thin coating is fine. Thanks for the video!
Can I come over and stay with you guys? I can live beneath your floorboards and do all your dishes... I just wanna be *close* to you... _wheezy breathing_
Grandpa gave me his Browning A5 light 12, 40 years ago. It's been in a safe for 30 years. I took it to the range yesterday for the first time. It fires great, cycles normally for 20 rounds, but then malfunctions until re-oiled.
@Poly Bun Thanks for the feedback. I do some of the gunsmithing myself, but I think I'll pay someone to do this work for me. This thing looks like the day it was made, and I want to preserve that.
The bullet = The "Toppings" (Cheeses, tomatoes, cilantro, etc.) The case = The tortilla (Flour tortillas being brass and corn tortillas being steel case of course.). The gunpowder = Beans (Black powder) or beef (Smokeless powder). The primer = The hot sauce.
Oh cool! A new C&Rsenal video. I’ll just watch this while waiting for Santa...Ho Ho...Holy Crap it’s two hours long *saves for later and donates an extra buck on Patreon*
Gunboards has helped me a lot with plenty of information on firearms. Plenty of knowledgeable people from the U.S. as well as other countries around the world
After receiving my Enfield .303 from a Family Member, the first place it went was a Gunsmith for a full checkup and Headspace check before I fired it. Everything checked out and now I have a great gun to take to the Range.
I bought an old Iver Johnson 380 1911 and the front sight flew right off the first time I shot it. Also had an sks that whent full auto. I thought is had cosmo or rust in the firing pin chamber even though I had took it apart and cleaned it up. Turns out the previous owner tried to lighten the pull and made it to where even shaking the gun would make it run away on you. It was terrifying. I learned the hard way to load one at a time the first time you shoot an old gun.
How Offensive to John Moses Browning an Auto Five is a very reliable smokless powder shot gun .. My Grandfather had a double barrel muzzle loader shotgun with damascus twist barrels .. Black Power only .. I have not shot it for 45 years since I was a teenager. Trap shooting it did not break a lot of Clay birds but it did OK
Finding a good gunsmith maybe a task in and of itself...there are a lot of guys out there that call themself gunsmiths that are actually AR-15 parts changers....
Chapman manufacturing makes a great screwdriver set for use on guns. The bits are knurled so you can spin them with finger strength, or use the little low-torque finger spinner included with the sets. If you need more torque, you can use the screwdriver handle or the mini-ratchet. The sets include a little sheet that outlines torque values for each bit and which torque ranges you can expect from each bit holder.
Thanks. This inspection video and the conservation video are perfect intros. Not long ago found a 20s Model 11 20ga. Fortunately, haven’t shot it yet. The forearm has the exact same crack at the receiver. Time to get out the wood glue and clamps.
Occasionally the gunsmith of my least distrust hands me down mystery guns that customers dropped off or came as a part of convolute, uncleaned and as-seen. Hours of cleaning and minor repairs went into them, but this way I got a Vetterli 1878 Stutzer (sharpshooter rifle), a Swiss cavalry carbine 1893 and a Schützen rifle at a massive discount.
If you know that an older relative is going to pass their gun on to you try to get them to show you how to unload it and check if it is loaded before they get to old/infirm to show you.
"If this seems like insanely bad luck, it's not." And even if it is, over the years, I have formulated my own first law of firearms handling, which comes even before all the "canonical" ones in my head: "Never assume you are not catastrophically unlucky."
with bored through cylenders the terrifying example in my mind is the M1892 colt. it will take a 357 if you drop it in but its designed for a cartredge thats lighter than 38 special
Bruno is holding a Browning Auto-5, one of my favorite firearms, I want one Sooo Much! and I said that in the first three frames of seeing the shotgun of my dreams
1:23:01 One tip with using water I've heard about (from Mishaco's channel) is to actually boil the water so that when you pour it down the barrel, action, etc. it does multiple things. 1. Pouring boiling water on the parts will really hit the corrosive salts hard and remove it better. 2. Hot/boiling water is able to absorb more of the corrosive salts than just warm or colder water. 3. Once you are done pouring boiling water on whatever part you are on, when the last of the boiling water on that part starts to cool down, it very quickly evaporates leaving no/microscopic levels of water on the part. 4. It may be so good at getting rid of the salts/powder residue that you probably won't have to use a cleaner, though putting a thin layer of oil wouldn't be a bad idea (you can use mineral oil that's like $2 at a Target pharmacy for 16oz / 473ml if you need just the basic oil [and you can use it for other purposes] ). 1:26:38 And that's why I said what I did in #4 and I see waaay too much ripping people off in the gun industry (FireClean?).
I have this on the background whilst wrapping presents. Excelent. Have a good Christmas and a happy new year you guys and girl ( yes, I heard you there).
i'd say it depends. The Tank Museum has a primary example of a tank (Valiant) that you should not, by any speck of reason and common sense, get in and drive for your own safety for fear of, let's say, shearing your leg off for trying to step on the clutch. heard they still use it to teach tank designers what NOT to do when designing a tank have yet to find out a gun that's about as dangerous to the user to the point where it would probably kill the user more than whatever it's shooting at
@@Wolvenworks Turret revolver, or those early repeating guns with an internal powder magazine... a chainfire on either of those is not outside the realm of possibility and would be catastrophic.
A Gamer_1745- not always. I build custom muzzleloaders for a hobby/living and I'll tell you it's the Beretta 92 that sits in the bedside safe and a 18 inch twelve gauge that's in its special spot.
I remember my first encounter with ginger salt, I once showed one of my friends my new hunting rifle and I then proceeded to put it away in the safe, he gave me some old brass he had saved and since he didn't reload he figured I should have it. About a week later I was processing some to reload and noticed these weird prints on it, it all of a sudden clicked in my mind, my eyes flew open wide as I dashed to my safe, only to find his grubby prints rusted all over it. It is my fault I really should have known better, I really should have known better than to be friends with a ginger lol
SuperTelecom being from SC, this place is pretty great when it comes to being a gun owner. You can own just about anything, and then some if you have the right papers. Edit: the only thing that sucks here is the wet sticky heat that goes on for about 9mths out of the year.
Saved a comrades hand the other day. He says "my step dad died recently and we found this box of sketchy hand loads, I'm gonna shoot em....worst that could happen is my gun jams" I was like 😤 "you're right those do look sketchy, also your wrong, worse that could happen is it could cause a squib, make your barrel go boom in a bad way, or cause an out of battery explosion"
I may be in a minority here, but I don't mind the smell of Ballistol. I'm not saying that its one of my favorite smell, just that it doesn't bother me.
@@AM-hf9kk busted out my toolbox while working on my truck talking to a friend earlier (who isn't super into guns) and he asked if I was the one who smelled of gun oil. I told him the smell was eminating from my toolbox and he proceeded to take a good whiff and then thank and congratulate me. Odd guy.
Took a while to figure out I had a winder musket (few years ago). Firing pin broke after 3 rounds. Repro sights are worth more than the gun will ever be. I fit a new pin and just have fun with it at the indoor range only using a wrong front sight. It’s a heavy but fun .22short. This video was fun thanks!
Keep your powder can closed and off the table when shooting. Pour powder down the barrel from a measure, by volume. 2Fg for rifles, 3Fg for rifles or handguns. Dry bore when pouring powder, but lubrication of projectiles is important. Lubed patch, lubed wad, or smeared conical are all ok. Clean the bore every now and then with a spit patch. NO air space between ball and powder. NO smokeless powder. Substitutes are ok but reduce the charge if needed. Tight fitting caps and bullets are critical for revolvers. Load balls sprue up. Clean the gun immediately after coming home. That's pretty much everything I can think of. 🤷
What a timely video. I just inherited several 50-100yo guns, and I want to take your advice and find a gunsmith in my area, but how do I find a qualified gunsmith? I did a google search for gunsmiths in my area and either their webpage showing past work only has modern guns, like Glocks and AR15s, or they might show a couple vintage guns but they only do this more as a hobby on weekends and evenings. How does one find a good quality vintage gun professional? Is there any sort of certification guild membership I should be looking for?
I'd call up the more reputable-seeming establishments within two hours driving distance and more or less ask what their level of experience with C&R guns is. If they can't or don't wish to look them over, at least one of them should be able to point you to someone right for the task.
One of my favorite videos so far. Greetings from luxembourg! Nice orange t-shirt bruno is wearing there... Think i've got that too! Patented, plastic and pokey!
Scariest moment I ever had with an old gun was when an ex handed me a gorgeous side-by-side shotgun from over her grandmother's fireplace. Being a gun guy, the first thing I did was open it up...and the sad remains of two paper-hulled cartridges popped out. The primers were well-dimpled. I don't know if the primers had failed or if water or oil had gotten down the barrels and ruined the powder, but clearly people had played with the gun for decades, never knowing that it was loaded.
I took a long sight when I realized where you where going, holy crap
I played with an old 36 cal muzzle loader in my granddad's garage in my 10's and teens. I didn't know gun at the time. Dry fired it dozens of times. No cap mercifully. Yup it was loaded. Eventually I inherited it and took it to a shop.
Remember going through my great grandfather fathers house after he had passed, opened a box in his closet, found a 1952 browning hipower loaded and cocked along with a second mag and a 100 rd 9mm box from interarms. Scared the shot out of me but as a gun guy finding a hi power he had bought after getting back from Korea was great.
@@elisigmon5505 THATS AWESOME
@@elisigmon5505 Nice!
Just courious, how well did the hammer spring an the mag springs survive this decades of being under tension?
I grew up knowing that my great uncle had an old bolt-action rifle, that he said was an Enfield, in his closet. He'd showed it to me once or twice when I was very young and didn't know what an Enfield looked like. He told me it was brought back from WW1 by a "Lt. Denis". A few years ago, when he was on his deathbed, my gruncle offered to give me the rifle. His wife brought it out. It wasn't an Enfield, but a rather a Dovitiis Mauser in relatively good condition. My gruncle had apparently mistaken the St Denis mark on the barrel for a name. On my particular example, the "Mod 71 I.G." was very very faint under the finish. My relatives surrounding me, a bunch of gun-muggles, were absolutely mortified that the first thing I did was to open the action and inspect the chamber.
JC622Kilo57J ALWAYS open and inspect the chamber. Gun dummies be damned, dead relatives is always worse especially when it’s you.
I still havent gotten this habit down and low and behold the other day I pulled one out and after taking the scope I was wanting off of it opened it and it was loaded.....i did at least have it pointed in a safe direction the whole time, and the safety was on but yeah, really need to work on that.
Also not storing them loaded on purpose anymore....
Exactly. I doubted that my gruncle, who wasn't a gun guy at all, kept it loaded - but I was laboring under the delusion that this was a magazine-fed rifle (until I saw the distinct lack of magazine) and I wasn't taking any chances regardless.
Did you ever learn the value of it?
I'm up to the third loaded "Its an antique and not loaded" Muzzle loader for the year. The last one was a Double Barrel shotgun that had only one barrel loaded. There wasn't much shot left in it but there was still a full charge of old black powder and the nipples were hammered over so people had be playing roulette with it for probably the last 100 years!!!
ShootingHobby muzzle loaders are ALWAYS loaded even when they are checked. It’s a very common thing far more so then cartridge guns.
i understood the theory was if the rod you insert has a single centermeter of leftover length relative to the length of the barrel? Assume it is loaded
There was a British cannon on display in Central Park in New York from the 1860s until 1996 when they put it in storage to protect it from vandals. After it had been in storage for over a decade, they got around to checking it, and of course it turned out to be loaded.
@@Charstring would’ve been unbelievably funny if someone tried to fire it for shits n giggles and that thing blows a hole in a nearby skyscraper
For any older or used gun, like your auto pistols or Auto 5 - replace, at a minimum, the recoil springs. They are consumables. I've pulled springs that are like noodles, and ones that are inches shorter than the new one.
Mark D and stored loaded magazines are often boogered. Don’t listen to the high speed low drag heroes. Mags do fatigue when stored loaded. (Yes it can take a long time).
I have made spring replacement a regular thing for any "new to me" Semi-auto. I had a luger that gave me all kinds of grief and threw brass into orbit until I did a complete spring replacement. Once that was done It ran quite reliably.
Ive done this with newer ARs with less than 1000 rounds through them lol, so yes, definitely change out the recoil springs on old guns. The last one had a recoil spring that was 2 inches shorter than the same replacement. With far less than 1000 rounds through it. Also, with A5s, buy up some spare friction rings, because they are getting harder and harder to find, and more expensive. I have like 4 spares saved up for mine, even though the factory ones are still perfect. I take one out for light loads per Browning literature, and on the 12 magnum, there is nowhere to store it inside the gun, so you just have to put it in your pocket. so they are going to get lost at some point.
Springs "take a set" when they're brand new and still good. A perfectly good spring can be significantly shorter than a brand new one - that's not a way to tell if a spring is good or not. It's the actual tension in the spring that determines that.
@@john-paulsilke893 Leaving a spring loaded does it no harm. It's working the spring between its extremes that wears them out.
immikeurnot I know of several grandpa guns stored in a closet for more then a decade that would definitely disagree. Stored loaded all but the Remington pump couldn’t reliably feed all their ammunition. Yes typically longish storage with compressed springs isn’t an issue.
There is a slightly less commonly known way an overpressure situation can happen with an underloaded cartridge. If the powder isn't all the way up against the primer, such as in an extremely underloaded cartridge, the primer itself can create enough pressure to just slightly push the bullet out of the case and THEN the powder is ignited, but it doesn't build up the pressure as it would normally to gradually push the bullet out.
Another situation where this can happen is with rifles with extreme throat erosion. The bullet is forced into the barrel with not enough pressure and temperature forming in the case for the powder to catch on. Those circumstances were successfully replicated under laboratory conditions with a worn out 6.5x55 Mauser barrel fitted to a pressure measuring reciever. There was an article at some point in Handloader Magazine, somebody copied it into this thread. castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?5357-SEE-Big-Bang
Wow those two comments are really interesting and helpful, thank you guys!
During the Eighties a coworker / Viet veteran reloaded some 38 shells(light loaded) for use by young son. Results were bad ; bullet left brass hung in barrel! Same person light loaded rifle ammo ;to bad results(no one injured)Reloading requires science; attention to details not just spare money.Same person destroyed a 380 barrel ; factory replaced. Important to be very careful ,who you visit the firing range with!
Kinda on topic:
I was at Walmart years ago buying ammo for a range trip. As I walked up, a young guy (I was 23, he was probably 21) was talking to the clerk comparing .357 magnum, .38 special, and .380 auto. He had the three boxes laid out and the 3 cartridges lined up. I focused on the case looking at ammo prices and options, thinking about what I wanted to buy. I could hear them talking in the background about which ".38" he needed for his gun. The clerk was looking in the case saying "That's all the .38s for a handgun I think I have." The employee that was helping me turns around to get my ammo that I asked for, and I glanced over at the same time to the customer next to me to see a revolver pointing at my head. He had the gun pointing sideways, cylinder open, trying to put cartridges in the cylinder to see if they fit. I said to the guy "I'd appreciate it if you didn't point a gun at me." He said "It's fine, the cylinder is open." I said "You were just trying to close it 5 seconds ago with that .357 magnum sticking out of it." I then walked away to the front of the store where I told a manager what was unfolding back at sporting goods. She was mortified. 😄 I told her "If I pulled my gun out in your store I'd expect to either be saving my life or yours, and cops would be on their way regardless of anyone getting shot. Please remove those 2 (!!!) employees from sporting goods and re-train them on firearm safety before someone gets shot by a customer by accident. This is ridiculous. I can't believe I just watched that unfold." She was speechless. I was NOT rude to her nor did I yell or belittle her. It was not her fault. I worked retail; I was not blaming or punishing her for anything that happened because that would be totally unfair.
I get it when people don't know what caliber their old gun actually fires, but you can't bring the fucking thing to Walmart and open boxes of live ammo to see which ones will chamber and allow the cylinder to close. 🙄 I didn't stick around long to tell him that that old revolver was probably chambered for .38 S&W and he wouldn't ever find that at Walmart.
There’s also the wait 10 second rule regarding old or questionable ammo. If it doesn’t either go BANG, sounds odd, or just goes click. Wait for about 10 seconds or longer before opening the chamber. You may experience a hang fire where the round takes some time before going off. On reloaded ammo I also look at the primer for signs excessive pressure, like flattening of the primer or cratering around the firing pin mark.
Check for an imprint of the cartridge' s headstamp on the bolt face too. That is another sign of excessive pressure.
This is a good one to be aware of, cause it's human nature to go "why no bang" and start investigating as soon as the gun doesn't go off like it was supposed to....
With (quite) new ammo I give a dud 30 seconds. It rarely happens with brand new ammo also.
Often might be just a weak hammer/striker spring of the gun compared with too deep seated primers. And I never had an actual hangfire with ammo produced well after WWII. But you never know for sure!
With decades old ammo I would give it at least a minute or two before I would open the chamber!
If grandpa gives you a machine gun from his attic, you were never given a machine gun. Fido will thank you.
An old man who killed fiddy men once told me, "Well you don't give a toy without batteries!!".
Merry Christmas Othias and Bruno! One thing you omitted in regards to ammunition which I think is relevant is old shotguns that were originally designed for roll crimped shells.
While firing modern triangular crimped shells in a shotgun designed for roll crimped shells, it's entirely possible to partially obstruct the barrel just past the chamber and induce an unsafe pressure situation.
Old shotguns that are going to be shot with triangular crimped shells need to be inspected to ensure that there is adequate space for the crimp to expand into and not create any partial obstruction.
Again, Happy Holidays and best regards to you all!
Old shotguns should be used with low brass target shells. Damascus twist barreled shotguns are "wall hangers" because you never know when they will unravel.
2019: "You can configure our firearm any which way you like for your comfort!"
1917: "Our firearm will configure you, usually by smashing any body part that gets in its way."
Yep...original 1911 comes to mind...fearsome hammer bite!!! John Browning must've had really small hands. The Remington New Model Army raps your knuckles under recoil with the trigger guard. My Uberti Win 1866 spits the hot black powder brass up and onto my head...I have to wear a hat while shooting it.
In pre-Soviet Russia...
"This is not an exhaustive list"
Video length: 2:06:04
imagine how long it'll be if it's "exhaustive". you could put it up in IMDB as a movie i guess
@@Wolvenworks more like entire series
Same thing was said about the Bolt Actions: 101 video.
I inherited sportarized 30-40 Krag from my grandfather. First thing I did when I got my hands on it was to check the chamber, and of course it's loaded.
Very enjoyable! Merry Christmas!
Do some more weird shells please
Krellio 900 agreed!
I kinda miss the actual sciency stuff rather than the “we found this on the ground let’s shoot it from a shotgun”
It's a Dunning-Kruger in 9mm.
Underappreciated comment.
I can't like this more than once. Sorry.
Anyone can operate this; trust me, you're already an expert
Corrosive primers will form potassium or sodium chloride so salt. Salt is hydrophilic and will pull water out of the atmosphere.
Christopher LeBaron and oil over salt does work, but only for a very little time. Hydrophobic vs Hydrophilic eventually water will win.
Ammonia is your friend found that tip from an old Russian who said they used urine and than oil
wizard3z castor I have actually heard this possible myth. It’s entirely possible although much like our sgts I imagine if he caught you pissing on your gun you’d wish you had never been born as he’d make you clean half a division worth of personal arms for such a travesty.
@@john-paulsilke893 well a little more back ground im talking like korean war era vet was telling me how to clean my new supposedly ww2 mosin because i had gotten 1960's spam can ammo (from my history of soviet training its believable )
@@john-paulsilke893 anyone in the service doesnt give a shit about corrosion in their issued rifle lmao. you piss in your mosin at home, on your own time ;)
I remember when I was quite young, standing beside my father as he was shooting old surplus armor piercing ammo though a m1917 when the rifle exploded in a shower of of wood. It almost took his thumb off. Thank you for stressing safety with these old firearms.
My oldest brother almost shot me between the eyes with an "unloaded " 308. Seems that our Dad lost count when he came home from hunting - it was a Sabre-tip mushroom round for killing moose. My other brother had just taken a firearm safety course- he begged him to "check the action first ". It got real quiet when that "very much" live round ejected and landed on the floor- I can still see that shiny brass round spinning through the air in slow mo.
Excellent video. It can't be understated the number of ways these old guns can confuse you operation-wise. I had a guy fight with my Steyr M95 infantry rifle for several minutes trying to get the action open before I explained to him it was a straight pull.
At one point in time, I was asked to Inspect a very old Muzzleloader it had been loaded ready to go for more than 60 years it's spent that entire time hanging on the wall above the fireplace. I was a rang master at the time, after I extracted the change with the proper ball extraction tool I tested the black powder. It was still viable. It was a flint lock, I tested the lock it worked fine so that gun had been hanging on the wall ready to go bang the entire time.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Mae Winchester happy holidays Mae!
Lo Saturnalia, Mae
As if your last name is Winchester lol. Merry Christmas
Girl of my ballistic dreams! Full auto Mae is my favorite Mae :)
Buon Natale Mae!
Won a Remington Rolling Block on an auction site. Heading said ".45-70". I was thrilled. My FFL guy even put a .45-70 round in the chamber ALMOST all the way. I'm sure it would have closed with a little force, but I started having some BIG doubts. I measured the bore at the muzzle to find NO WAY a .458 (actual .45-70) would come close to making it through. Thanks to an expert taking the time to try to educate me I learned the gun was a .43 Spanish. I cleaned the mechanics and bore, then measured the precise chamber *depths* with a mic and borescope. Yup ... .43 Spanish. I returned the weapon to the auction site after putting the caliber all over the tape on the bubble wrap as well as a string tag on the trigger guard. The next week it was on auction again ... as a .45-70!
"dont dry fire old guns you dont know about"
Yeah i learned that the hard way, scored a super old model 12 for 200 bucks then snapped the fireing pin in half the second day of owning it because i was snapping away at it before looking it up and learning they are known for snapping pins.
I'm not shure if you covered it or not but one of the biggest mistakes I have seen is . When you come back in do not just wipe of and store away your gun .! You have to let it completely come to the ambient(room) temperature (internally and externally) before you clean and store . To put a cold/warm gun into storage can cause rust . Let it set for a hour or two before you clean and store . I have seen a lot of rusty guns because they came home wiped it off , oiled it up and put a cold gun in storage . NOT good .if you take care of it properly it can last several lifetimes . If mishandled it can cost a life time . Dead right or dead wrong ... dead is dead . Have fun stay safe . Safety first , last and always . Happy holidays . "Deeds not words"
Back in the Mid 80's, I took a job with a PD, replacing an officer who, ah, well, died while cleaning his revolver. Coming from a very modern PD, where I had served as Chief of Police until a fellow who hated me became the Mayor and I was forced out, I was shocked at the laxity of these guys when it came to firearms maintenance. One of the officers brought me his personal firearm (we all had to furnish our own guns, the city would furnish the ammo) and complained that the old Colt Trooper MKIII would not eject the cartridges. So being a sort of gun guy, I looked it over, opened the cylinder and pressed the eject plunger, sure enough she was locked tight! So I went to my shop and got my brass hammer, and a wooden dowel a bit smaller then .357, and began driving the old .357 magnum cartridges from the gun. It had not been cleaned, ever, according to the officer, and was only fired once a year for qualification. It was a sad old revolver, but I cleaned her up so she looked and worked like new once again. The other officer had the only City Issue revolver, but being a retired sailor, he took very good care of the firearm, not a problem, there was one more officer on the PD, he had a small detective special which looked almost, well I will say it, stupid strapped to his Sam Brown around his 57 inch waist on his 350 pound plus 6'4" frame. It wasn't in to bad of shape, I cleaned it up for him, and he managed to qualify with the gun. I was thankful that my normal backup officer was the fellow with the Trooper MkIII since I now had it working and he was pretty good with especially now that it has been cleaned for the first time in it's career.
I'm thankful to have learned about the old fashioned method of using a (real hair) shaving brush to lightly oil surfaces. Works great.
"First sixty years of this century" Othais is still living in the last millennium.
accurate
@Chris_Wooden_Eye except he's clearly in the 20th.
This is even more apropos in November of 2020, at which point 2020 alone has lasted 150 years and counting.
@@ZGryphon I agree.
This is your idea of a "little something" in lieu of a proper episode? You guys spoil us.
Great PSA. By the way, Merry Christmas to all of you at C&Rsenal , and have a great New Year as well.
I'm reviewing this video for the third time, and I wanted to say Thank You for all your hard work and dedication in creating this channel.
Years ago a cousin took me shooting. That helped me realize that guns, real physical guns, are pretty cool.
Ian's channel got me interested in historical firearms.
But your channel has acted as a *massive* accelerant in enabling me to participate in collecting and appreciating firearms. And I'm very grateful for that.
"Caught that guy with double syphilis."
That would be the provenance of his gun, not his firearm. :)
One is for shootin' one is for fun
About Balistol: The smell is from all the herbs he put in. It was designed to be used as Gun and Lather oil but also to cure several diseases. Because it is not made after the newer German medical laws they are not allowed to print that on. You can see it only on old packages. They now offer different oils with more specific labels (stimulates the blood flow, lessens itching, suitable for massages) but the old one combined it all. The still do it that way because customers wanted it to stay the same and be able to use it in all the other ways.
(There some really curious descriptions out there).
One other thing to consider when storing a gun is if you put long guns in a vertical rack with the stock down, oils will tend to soak into the stock and weaken it over time. It’s not a major concern and is usually unavoidable unless you devote a whole wall to storing them horizontally, but it’s good to check for cracks periodically either way.
My younger brother gave me a Marlin 1895 45-70 who's butt stock was in splinters, turns out he knew it was going to have significant recoil, so he held it up against a tree to test fire it. Marlin Company fixed me up with a new butt stock.
On the ammo topic: went to the range with a buddy once. I was shooting my rifle du jur, he was shooting his Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R. He gets talking to another guy during a cease fire who is also shooting a Mosin. Buddy tries the gun and thinks it really cool that this guy had a Russian Mosin in .308 (aka 7.62x51). I got suspicious and looked at the gun. Turns out "308 mosin guy" was new to shooting, bought the gun from a sporting goods store, and bought the ammo from a different sporting goods store. Told the guy behind the counter he needed "7.62 ammo" and the knucklehead sold him 308 without asking what he was shooting. So, he and my buddy shot the better party of a box of 7.62 nato (aka .308 win) through his 7.62x54R mosin before I stopped them. No burst cases, but some pretty interesting bulges in the brass.
der schwartzadder That doesn't sound to me like it would work, for a number of reasons, but most of all there'd be no logical way for it to extract even if the firing pin protruded far enough to hit the primer of the .308... but I have obviously never tried it so I can't say for sure.
I talked to a guy at our range during hunter safety day: He said that he was hunting and couldn't figure out why he couldn't hit anything- until he saw that he was shooting .270 in an 30-06.
@@noth606 I was surprised it worked too. I think the case dimensions matched enough that the primer was in a position that worked. Something about the taper of the 54R.
Edit: if you look up the dimensions of 7.62 NATO and 7.62x54R, the dimension from the base to the shoulder of the case is nearly identical. Thus, the nato round will seat and fire, but be unsupported.
I don't think the guy working at the second store is a knucklehead at all. If I was a salesman and a guy came asking for "7.62 ammo" I'm a gun nerd and of course I'd ask "7.62 by what?" However, it's the customer's responsibility to know what they want. If he just said "7.62 ammo for my rifle" and the employee gave him x51 and asked if that's what he meant, it's on the shooter to specify. Would'a been hilarious if he handed him a box of 7.62x38R instead of x51. Good luck. 😆
mannys9130 I think you’re generally right that the burden falls on the buyer to know what he actually wants/needs. Hooooowever given that an ammo misunderstanding could literally kill them, I think it would be best to make sure. Better to be seen as a kinda pedantic asshole by some experienced customers and save the newbie :D
Three things I would add: 1) the length of shot-shells and the length of the chamber; 2) tight necks on chambers = do not fire factory ammo and 3) Be careful with newer higher-spec ammo and older actions: e.g 6.5 Swedish but there are many others.
Safety not guaranteed.
This reminds me of that time I went back in time.
When was that? I don't recall that.
@@chemusvandergeek1209 I've only done it once before. If you want to go with me next time, you'll have to bring your own weapons.
Eks calybur 🤪
What my grandfather gave me: an Arisaka Type 99 chambered in 7.7x58 Unobtanium. I sourced replacements for the parts they made him remove before shipping it back from Okinawa during World War II, and actually managed to get some ammo (Hornady, for a while, contracted PRVI Partizan to make it under their metric line). Mechanically, the gun is in excellent condition. Cosmetically, it really could use a skilled hand. It was a 1941-production and went through the entire Pacific war and is beat to shit. It could stand someone doing that technique to convert rust to bluing. By the time I got the parts (striker, bolt knob, striker spring) I already knew it was safe; an early-production example of one of the most overbuilt rifles ever made, with a clean chamber and bright bore.
The primer is clearly the jalapeno, it makes the whole thing hot, hot, hot
I was kinda thinking my tongue might be the primer... or firing pin? I dunno but I go for a bite and everything falls out the other side.
@@Candrsenal Your tongue is the firing pin, not integral to the burrito/cartridge but causes the detonation on contact with the jalapeno/primer
My grandpa left me his model 1894. Even if it fetches a pretty penny, I will never let that thing go.
What a fantastic idea for a video! As is said, "Think of the Gats!". Hopefully this will reach the right people, and maybe a few family hand-down heirloom antiques will get saved from becoming Bubba's favorite custom rifle. These are pieces of history that we can not only hold, but can sometimes still use as a practical tool, and for that they deserve to be preserved for future people who come on down the line! C&Rsenal is the best!! Thanks Othais, Bruno, and the rest of the awesome team!
Merry Christmas candresenal. Thanks for all of your videos so far, from first to last...
You can always ask your local Gunsmith he or she have alot of knowledge for I'd and safety. I am one and it's also part of the job to educate and aid our customers. I'm always on call 24/7 for my customers
Unfortunately, not all gunsmiths are versed in these older military guns. Interview your prospective gunsmith as to their background and expertise with these guns. The best is to talk to serious military arms collectors in your area and see who they would recommend.
A library/museum has on exhibit a M1917 Colt revolver and an M1911 Colt pistol used by a former president in WW1. Sometime in past, they were 'restored' and finished in that 1970's era hot blue/black finish and not to the correct finish of their era. Obviously, whoever did restoration was not aware of what original finish should have been restored to, whereas a gunsmith with more experience in old military would have known what the correct finish should have been.
Read, research and then go to a Smith. I actually have my shooters examined every year by a qualified gunsmith even though I have some knowledge. It’s helped me not get potentially hurt more then once and definitely saved me from breaking something significant and rendering a gun into a parts bin.
I’m planning to go to gunsmith school or an apprenticeship at some point, but I’ll definitely have to go to a location far from where I live, the local gunsmith didn’t know what a Mosin Nagant was, didn’t know the part I needed (a sear spring) and he had a Mosin on the rack five feet behind him.
I just started receiving my fathers guns because he’s starting to pass them down. This video is very helpful. Thank you.
I have severla mausers from my grandfather, along with an arisaka, and an 1898 krag. From his father, i have a model 12 winchester, and a crescent double barrel 12 ga.
Okay boomer
@@nicholasgarcia399 you're so cute! You dont even know the applicable ages of different generations! Whatever generation you're a member of is sooo uninformed!
Randy Magnum What’s your question? Or you just bragging?
I'm old like you, boomer. Sweet toys btw. #privileged
@@nicholasgarcia399 they are sweet, but you're a hell of a lot older than me! 😉 my grandad was 90 when i was 16!
Even if I will never own a firearm in my life (Because gun laws in my country) and I know I have nobody in the family with a firearm, I still watched this video. And I'm not disappointed, there is a lot of advices where I could help a friend, one day
This is getting out of hand! Now, there are two of them!
is that... _legal?_
What is going on down there?
Bart van der Schoor Where are the droidekas
Ah yes....Brings back memories of a WWI era French rifle I was handed, way back when, and asked to figure out why the owner could not fully chamber a round in it.....That question only took a Mini-Mag flashlight and a small mirror to answer....At some point in it's past some flaming genus had managed to stuff a round, of some mystery caliber, so far up into the black powder darkened bore that a round of the correct make, model, and caliber could not be chambered (thank God!). Very, very carefully I used a wooden dowel and a old wooden mallet to also very, very slowly drive the mystery round out of the barrel, into the receiver and thus out of the rifle....The "mystery round" WAS a rifle round (no head stamp was visible) of somewhere in the .45calish range and MAY have been a black powder round. Since I was young, dumb, but steady of hand and sharp of eye I managed to get that round out without destroying the old military rifle or damaging myself for that matter. Just so you know, I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a gunsmith....But back then, when it came to old firearms at least, I was up to a challenge. Thanks for an informative video and The Lovely Bride, myself, and Barney the Dog wish y'all a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
You should be aware that when dealing with muzzle loading firearms with obstructed bores. If there is a ball , powder, ball situation in the barrel, bare in mind that trying to knock the ball out by using a dowel and mallet has dangers. Black powder can go off due to impact. Try a bullet puller first and let the bore soak with oil in I'd for a few days to negate the black powder.
@@bobgarr6246 The incident with the old French rifle occurred many years ago and the rifle was a bolt action not a muzzle loader. However, your point was well made and I appreciate it. Every point you made is exactly what I SHOULD have done back then but was too young and frankly ignorant to know that I was basically working with pipe bomb! As time has passed I have became far more cautious about such things and would now never approach such a problem, be it with a muzzle loader (of which I have owned, fired, and hunted with many ) or a "mystery round" jammed, possibly for many decades, into the bore of a rifle. thank you again for pointing out what I SHOULD have done with old French bolt action as looking back over the decades that have passed since I would have been well served with such advice.
@@fdmackey3666 as a Smith I too have made over the years some......questionable decisios. Live and learn, learning being the key word. Thanks for your kind reply. Merry Christmas
Even knowing most of this stuff before hand I still thoroughly enjoyed this entire video. Great content as always!
I just oiled my firearms put them in a soft case with a glove didn’t touch them have them in my room where the temperature is pretty stable I just want to thank you guys for bringing that up I’ve had these for years you still look very good and no fingerprints thanks again guys!
So glad I watched this! I literally just got a Webley 455 top break revolver at auction and I know now to check the tolerances carefully.
This is a really well done video. Kuddos to your efforts and preventing people from ruining old guns or hurting themselves.
I like your channel specifically because it is educational while also being fun. Keep it up and hope Y'all had a happy holidays from the woods of Pennsylvania (where I live)
I once bought an old flint lock at auction, it was loaded! Since I wanted to refinish the barrel I extracted the charge, put a match to the powder and 300 years on it went off. So yeah, be careful out there folks!
I found for corrosive ammo, run a mop coated with "Bore Butter"down the barrel to coat it, especially if it started to rain or ways a very humid day until I could get home to clean my rifle. Bore Butter is a product used to protect black powder residue from starting to rust the barrel, cylinder, and inline or flintlock mechanisms. It is like Crisco in viscosity. It will stick to anything until you warm the barrel up, or use Hoppes to clean everything. A thin coating is fine. Thanks for the video!
Can you imagine the crazy calls Ian and Othias would get if they gave out their numbers? 🤣
Ian! Othias! I loaded a modern shell into a trapdoor Springfield! What do I do!
Can I come over and stay with you guys? I can live beneath your floorboards and do all your dishes... I just wanna be *close* to you... _wheezy breathing_
@@planescaped I almost spit out my beer to this lol
planescaped. Hahahahahh
Have you been hanging out on our Discord?
Grandpa gave me his Browning A5 light 12, 40 years ago. It's been in a safe for 30 years. I took it to the range yesterday for the first time. It fires great, cycles normally for 20 rounds, but then malfunctions until re-oiled.
probably needs cleaned. the oil is helpin gloosen and lettin git move the grit around usually on those
@Poly Bun Thanks for the feedback. I do some of the gunsmithing myself, but I think I'll pay someone to do this work for me. This thing looks like the day it was made, and I want to preserve that.
The bullet = The "Toppings" (Cheeses, tomatoes, cilantro, etc.)
The case = The tortilla (Flour tortillas being brass and corn tortillas being steel case of course.).
The gunpowder = Beans (Black powder) or beef (Smokeless powder).
The primer = The hot sauce.
Oh cool! A new C&Rsenal video. I’ll just watch this while waiting for Santa...Ho Ho...Holy Crap it’s two hours long *saves for later and donates an extra buck on Patreon*
Gunboards has helped me a lot with plenty of information on firearms. Plenty of knowledgeable people from the U.S. as well as other countries around the world
This video is amazing, and I'll use it as educational material every time I meet someone interested in old guns.
After receiving my Enfield .303 from a Family Member, the first place it went was a Gunsmith for a full checkup and Headspace check before I fired it. Everything checked out and now I have a great gun to take to the Range.
I bought an old Iver Johnson 380 1911 and the front sight flew right off the first time I shot it. Also had an sks that whent full auto. I thought is had cosmo or rust in the firing pin chamber even though I had took it apart and cleaned it up. Turns out the previous owner tried to lighten the pull and made it to where even shaking the gun would make it run away on you. It was terrifying. I learned the hard way to load one at a time the first time you shoot an old gun.
Hello Bruno, nice to meet you.
How Offensive to John Moses Browning an Auto Five is a very reliable smokless powder shot gun ..
My Grandfather had a double barrel muzzle loader shotgun with damascus twist barrels .. Black Power only .. I have not shot it for 45 years since I was a teenager. Trap shooting it did not break a lot of Clay birds but it did OK
7:33
"We'll get to that in a moment"
I see Ian has rubbed off on you
Finding a good gunsmith maybe a task in and of itself...there are a lot of guys out there that call themself gunsmiths that are actually AR-15 parts changers....
So you've been gifted a old gun?
Me:ITS LIKE A DREAM
Chapman manufacturing makes a great screwdriver set for use on guns. The bits are knurled so you can spin them with finger strength, or use the little low-torque finger spinner included with the sets. If you need more torque, you can use the screwdriver handle or the mini-ratchet. The sets include a little sheet that outlines torque values for each bit and which torque ranges you can expect from each bit holder.
Thanks. This inspection video and the conservation video are perfect intros. Not long ago found a 20s Model 11 20ga. Fortunately, haven’t shot it yet. The forearm has the exact same crack at the receiver. Time to get out the wood glue and clamps.
I've had to take apart a gun that owner had used red loctite on EVERY screw
Maintainance? What's that 😅
Occasionally the gunsmith of my least distrust hands me down mystery guns that customers dropped off or came as a part of convolute, uncleaned and as-seen. Hours of cleaning and minor repairs went into them, but this way I got a Vetterli 1878 Stutzer (sharpshooter rifle), a Swiss cavalry carbine 1893 and a Schützen rifle at a massive discount.
Someone once gave me a "Browning HiPower" that was in fact a Star BM....
Hey, Star BMs are nice little pistols.
If you know that an older relative is going to pass their gun on to you try to get them to show you how to unload it and check if it is loaded before they get to old/infirm to show you.
"If this seems like insanely bad luck, it's not." And even if it is, over the years, I have formulated my own first law of firearms handling, which comes even before all the "canonical" ones in my head: "Never assume you are not catastrophically unlucky."
with bored through cylenders the terrifying example in my mind is the M1892 colt.
it will take a 357 if you drop it in but its designed for a cartredge thats lighter than 38 special
Bruno is holding a Browning Auto-5, one of my favorite firearms, I want one Sooo Much! and I said that in the first three frames of seeing the shotgun of my dreams
My Grandpa this christmas finally passed down the M1911A1 his father carried in WW2 and Korea
Thanks guys Santer just arrived.Merry Christmas to you all .
1:23:01 One tip with using water I've heard about (from Mishaco's channel) is to actually boil the water so that when you pour it down the barrel, action, etc. it does multiple things.
1. Pouring boiling water on the parts will really hit the corrosive salts hard and remove it better.
2. Hot/boiling water is able to absorb more of the corrosive salts than just warm or colder water.
3. Once you are done pouring boiling water on whatever part you are on, when the last of the boiling water on that part starts to cool down, it very quickly evaporates leaving no/microscopic levels of water on the part.
4. It may be so good at getting rid of the salts/powder residue that you probably won't have to use a cleaner, though putting a thin layer of oil wouldn't be a bad idea (you can use mineral oil that's like $2 at a Target pharmacy for 16oz / 473ml if you need just the basic oil [and you can use it for other purposes] ).
1:26:38 And that's why I said what I did in #4 and I see waaay too much ripping people off in the gun industry (FireClean?).
I have this on the background whilst wrapping presents. Excelent. Have a good Christmas and a happy new year you guys and girl ( yes, I heard you there).
Thanks very much, and tell Mark thanks for showing me how to unbugger a screw.
@38:45 "I know better than John Browning" said no man ever.
Old Guns, are the Best Guns!
I would have to agree with you 100%
i'd say it depends. The Tank Museum has a primary example of a tank (Valiant) that you should not, by any speck of reason and common sense, get in and drive for your own safety for fear of, let's say, shearing your leg off for trying to step on the clutch. heard they still use it to teach tank designers what NOT to do when designing a tank
have yet to find out a gun that's about as dangerous to the user to the point where it would probably kill the user more than whatever it's shooting at
@@Wolvenworks Turret revolver, or those early repeating guns with an internal powder magazine... a chainfire on either of those is not outside the realm of possibility and would be catastrophic.
A Gamer_1745- not always. I build custom muzzleloaders for a hobby/living and I'll tell you it's the Beretta 92 that sits in the bedside safe and a 18 inch twelve gauge that's in its special spot.
@@mikeblair2594 Sure as a tool, but old guns have a history!
Repeat after me "these things take time, my time has value, that value is always up for discussion without any gaurantees"
I remember my first encounter with ginger salt, I once showed one of my friends my new hunting rifle and I then proceeded to put it away in the safe, he gave me some old brass he had saved and since he didn't reload he figured I should have it. About a week later I was processing some to reload and noticed these weird prints on it, it all of a sudden clicked in my mind, my eyes flew open wide as I dashed to my safe, only to find his grubby prints rusted all over it. It is my fault I really should have known better, I really should have known better than to be friends with a ginger lol
Happy holidays everyone! Appreciate the uploads!
Merry Christmas to one of the best channels out there! You guys rock! Cheers!
"You're going to be given a firearm"
Crys in Australian
Better print off those visa papers and brush up on your citizenship test, my dude.
@@thetman0068 it is tempting. I've got a mate in South Carolina, seems like a decent state. One day.
@phục êwê haha cheers mate, a 5.45 AK or an AR15 wouldn't go astray, or an SVT-40/M1 Garand for the milsurp collection.
@phục êwê Also crying in Australian...
SuperTelecom being from SC, this place is pretty great when it comes to being a gun owner. You can own just about anything, and then some if you have the right papers.
Edit: the only thing that sucks here is the wet sticky heat that goes on for about 9mths out of the year.
Saved a comrades hand the other day. He says "my step dad died recently and we found this box of sketchy hand loads, I'm gonna shoot em....worst that could happen is my gun jams" I was like 😤 "you're right those do look sketchy, also your wrong, worse that could happen is it could cause a squib, make your barrel go boom in a bad way, or cause an out of battery explosion"
I may be in a minority here, but I don't mind the smell of Ballistol. I'm not saying that its one of my favorite smell, just that it doesn't bother me.
Same.
You get used to (maybe even like) the smell. The fumes however....what were I talking?
Not a fan of Ballistol, but Hoppe's smells like home - it's right up there with apple pie, chocolate chip cookies, and greasy old garage.
@@AM-hf9kk busted out my toolbox while working on my truck talking to a friend earlier (who isn't super into guns) and he asked if I was the one who smelled of gun oil. I told him the smell was eminating from my toolbox and he proceeded to take a good whiff and then thank and congratulate me. Odd guy.
I got a Eddystone 1917 for my most recent B-day. I am so excited
An excellent rifle. I can't speak specifically for m1917s but it's British cousin has served me well.
Lucky
I love the C and S videos. The out takes with Mae are hilarious!!
Took a while to figure out I had a winder musket (few years ago). Firing pin broke after 3 rounds. Repro sights are worth more than the gun will ever be. I fit a new pin and just have fun with it at the indoor range only using a wrong front sight. It’s a heavy but fun .22short. This video was fun thanks!
Love the Outtakes - Mae - The Richard Attenborough of Gun Videos
Are you going to do a black powder/ muzzleloaders 101?
Keep your powder can closed and off the table when shooting. Pour powder down the barrel from a measure, by volume. 2Fg for rifles, 3Fg for rifles or handguns. Dry bore when pouring powder, but lubrication of projectiles is important. Lubed patch, lubed wad, or smeared conical are all ok. Clean the bore every now and then with a spit patch. NO air space between ball and powder. NO smokeless powder. Substitutes are ok but reduce the charge if needed. Tight fitting caps and bullets are critical for revolvers. Load balls sprue up. Clean the gun immediately after coming home. That's pretty much everything I can think of. 🤷
Oh, and only cap/prime after loading the ball, and if you get misfires pick the flash hole with a nipple pick or pipe cleaner to get the fouling out.
What a timely video. I just inherited several 50-100yo guns, and I want to take your advice and find a gunsmith in my area, but how do I find a qualified gunsmith? I did a google search for gunsmiths in my area and either their webpage showing past work only has modern guns, like Glocks and AR15s, or they might show a couple vintage guns but they only do this more as a hobby on weekends and evenings. How does one find a good quality vintage gun professional? Is there any sort of certification guild membership I should be looking for?
I'd call up the more reputable-seeming establishments within two hours driving distance and more or less ask what their level of experience with C&R guns is. If they can't or don't wish to look them over, at least one of them should be able to point you to someone right for the task.
Thanks guys. Nothing you said here makes me want to explore old guns.
i love how every 101 video shows more and more of how much time Bruno has spent in Marks shop
One of my favorite videos so far. Greetings from luxembourg! Nice orange t-shirt bruno is wearing there... Think i've got that too! Patented, plastic and pokey!