Honestly , I think if they had handled Ben's character growth better throughout uaf and ov combined, it would have saved a lot of backlash regardless of changes in artstyle and design from both shows
Disagree, just look at Dragonball with Dragon ball Z kai and normal Dragon ball. People don't care about characterization, they care about nostalgia. Hell, pokemon fans are the best example. With the constant shifting of Ash as a character between different series and yet a surprisingly positive perception despise that. Genuinely no one cares about characterization unless it's nostalgia
I feel like corporate meddling is what "ruined" Ben 10. The network wanted many different things from the series, and the writers needed to acquiesce to CN demands. Changing the tone, regression character arcs, sometimes making the series too goofy, etc. Ultimately, while I love what we have, I wouldn't lie when I say I'd be interested in what the franchise would be like if CN didn't meddle with the series so much and how it would effect a 5 shows.
Nah the reboot wasn't for me like the only thing that I think they did well was how they handled the forever knight and vilgax heck I would say they were handled way better in there than they ever were in omniverse but other than that the reboot is just too childish for my taste
For me the lack of consequences killed the franchise. Ben always wins no matter what. There is no real danger or threat. Ben loses feedback but he eventually gets it back. Max dies but not really since he is back in a few episodes. The only one who really dies is magister labrid and pierce with the former kind of being forgotten and the latter not really affecting ben in any big way with his death. Heck even petropia was brought back.
honestly what ruin ben 10 is probably the alien reboots, getting rid of the character that were good, and including the action scenes where ben 10 series get serious. CN wanted to make it more goofy and funny, but none of us wanted that, we need ben 10 series to be more serious like and dark like to make sure it shows good vision, i hope ben 10 series come back
I think the reason Ben always got the Wrong Alien is because azmuth knew that If Ben would get any Alien he wanted he Would only use like 6 aliens, When the Omnitrix is ment to be "I can walk 100 miles, Each step being a different species" so I theorise that Azmuth Designed the finished Omnitrix in a way to give Ben a way to utilise every Alien instead of Sticking with the same "Brawn over brain" mentality Ben is Known for
That's stupid that ain't the reason the real reason is the dumb writers think that Ben getting the wrong alien is good in stories when it's stupid and annoying as hell
@Gamer-wo1st It makes more In world sense then "It just happens" all your doing is just complaining about a story which people enjoy and like to think about. Tell me an Idea that would make more sense then my idea then you can critique my ideas
It's really Ben's character development (some of the others too but in more minor cases). His growth in Alien Force was fine, dialed way too up in season 3, then reached horrifically inconsistent levels in UA and OV.
I enjoy the mutant thing, but I feel kevin should have been an alien for multiple reasons. One, what the hell was aggragor if osmosions aren’t aliens, two it made the hole kevin dad being real or not confusing. It doesn't ruin the show but something i don't like.
For me, it's Ben's character regression that started due to network interference, how non-plot centric episodes were handled in Omniverse, and Omniverse's art style. The hexagon/blocky art style ruined the design of almost every alien that was reintroduced in Omniverse. Big Chill, Chromastone, Cannonbolt, Echo Echo, and Humungousaur got it the worst. The hexagon Omnitrix is ugly on every alien. Also the redcon of Kevin's backstory in Omniverse it was a fun watch but it cheaped Kevin and Gwen's relationship, made a mess of one of Ultimate Aliens best arcs, and essentially made Kwarrel a figment of Kevin's imagination.
I think if they tried to keep pushing what makes uaf special from og instead of making it more like og ben 10 it would have made the series 10 times better
I think they tried to recapture the wrong parts of the original series. The character writing and more mature tone of UAF combined with the mysterious atmosphere and worldbuilding of Classic, with its more bizarre creature design and elements of classic comic books, conspiracy theories and UFOlogy would've been a perfect combination.
@@Gamer-wo1st you know, I enjoyed ov art style, but some retcons had no reason to exist, like retconing kevin and making charm caster evil again Making vilgax like a clown and whatever TF they did with eon
There’s only so much that I could like and tolerate from Ben 10 as a classic favourite but all versions of it mostly the original animated series helped me create something new and original for my own channel inspired by the original content of Man of Action Entertainment
I think it was the omniverse it was not that serious more like for kids and funny and reboot too but thats my opinion maybe alien force ultimate too it did't had the story like original ben 10
things does not have to be serious to be good plus ov can get too serious at times os was not serious aswell except at fewer times than ov it focus more on the action than the story uaf also was not that serious there is goofy stuff that can happen but it is more focused on the plot similar to ov aswell so this serious topic is not really a factor in the classic continuity to make them good but the reboot really needed it at times to flesh out the plot which the reboot rarely have
Fan’s arguing which series is better, Thats what truly ruined Ben10 And a lil bit of DJW for putting to much misinformation from the old Ben10 wiki in the show…. * cough cough *kevin* cough cough*
For me it wasn't the fact the it was ruined persay more so, some of the designs of some aliens, specifically the blocky framed robotic aliens, which doesn't really role with me and also alien x like he stated
Only the last Airbender part of avatar is highly respected. Korra isn't in that level. So in a way people usually respect a part of ben 10 and not the rest as much
Another Ben 10 RUclipsr thinking Gwen's retcon was that big of a deal even though the show literally tells us it's not because she had to still learn magic for her powers activate watch the show you're such a big fan of seriously
My answer for what ruined Ben 10 is Alien Force Season 3. It was ground zero for a lot of Ben 10's issues going forward. The series never fully recovered from it. Ultimate Alien had to take into account for the events of that season and it was battling the whiplash from that season. Omniverse embrace the whiplash from that season and lead into the series going under as a whole. I hate OV more than I do AF Season 3, but the source for OV's quality came from that season. I don't hate AF Season 3 (It's just a very mixed bag), but it's to blame for what happened to Ben 10 as a whole.
@AlmostSaDiK I like Slapback, Shock-Rock, Xerge and the Omni-Enhanced, Omni-Kix and Omni-Naut features actually, oh and the Antitrix aliens...HOLY CRAP now those are AWESOME! Bashmouth ROCKS! 🤘
i like omniverse its animation is exprsive its a good blend of bens character arcs so far and i like how it blended most of all if not every alien ever besides spitter , fast track and jet ray .
Most of the changes or retcons I can live with, but the Omniverse Osmosian retcon is still taking some healing because I wanted to see the rest of the Osmosian species ever since Aggregor was introduced. The Osmosians had the potential to be the Viltrumites of Ben 10, possibly being the big bads of a whole arc. If just Kevin or Aggregor alone was a challenge then imagine a whole army! But I’ve slowly been able to let that disappointment go because there’s no changing the past.
Honestly , I think if they had handled Ben's character growth better throughout uaf and ov combined, it would have saved a lot of backlash regardless of changes in artstyle and design from both shows
You're absolutely right bro
Disagree, just look at Dragonball with Dragon ball Z kai and normal Dragon ball. People don't care about characterization, they care about nostalgia.
Hell, pokemon fans are the best example. With the constant shifting of Ash as a character between different series and yet a surprisingly positive perception despise that. Genuinely no one cares about characterization unless it's nostalgia
That was ALWAYS my biggest peeve with Omniverse. The worst part of Ben10 Omniverse, was BEN 10!!
@@dramon5835no one cares about characterization for sure. But when something looks a little different, everyone loses their damn minds.
@@erikpnggood deflection, this would help you avoid uncomfortable truths
If they didn't reset Ben's arc over and over again in the same season, this show would've been better if ya ask me
I feel like corporate meddling is what "ruined" Ben 10. The network wanted many different things from the series, and the writers needed to acquiesce to CN demands. Changing the tone, regression character arcs, sometimes making the series too goofy, etc. Ultimately, while I love what we have, I wouldn't lie when I say I'd be interested in what the franchise would be like if CN didn't meddle with the series so much and how it would effect a 5 shows.
Fax
I always enjoyed Ben 10 but I didn’t like the reboot at first but eventually I started to think that it wasn’t as bad as I thought it was
Same
Nah the reboot wasn't for me like the only thing that I think they did well was how they handled the forever knight and vilgax heck I would say they were handled way better in there than they ever were in omniverse but other than that the reboot is just too childish for my taste
yeah I didn't like anything after uaf
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That teleport animation is so clean tho!
I also want people to pair ultimate alien with the shows that came out around the same time, like young Justice, regular show and adventure time
For me the lack of consequences killed the franchise. Ben always wins no matter what. There is no real danger or threat. Ben loses feedback but he eventually gets it back. Max dies but not really since he is back in a few episodes. The only one who really dies is magister labrid and pierce with the former kind of being forgotten and the latter not really affecting ben in any big way with his death. Heck even petropia was brought back.
honestly what ruin ben 10 is probably the alien reboots, getting rid of the character that were good, and including the action scenes where ben 10 series get serious. CN wanted to make it more goofy and funny, but none of us wanted that, we need ben 10 series to be more serious like and dark like to make sure it shows good vision, i hope ben 10 series come back
I think the reason Ben always got the Wrong Alien is because azmuth knew that If Ben would get any Alien he wanted he Would only use like 6 aliens, When the Omnitrix is ment to be "I can walk 100 miles, Each step being a different species" so I theorise that Azmuth Designed the finished Omnitrix in a way to give Ben a way to utilise every Alien instead of Sticking with the same "Brawn over brain" mentality Ben is Known for
That's stupid that ain't the reason the real reason is the dumb writers think that Ben getting the wrong alien is good in stories when it's stupid and annoying as hell
@Gamer-wo1st alright calm down, No need to get angry over what I think makes sense in the world of Ben 10
@LEOR9DGERS123 it doesn't make sense mostly with the completed Omnitrix
@Gamer-wo1st It makes more In world sense then "It just happens" all your doing is just complaining about a story which people enjoy and like to think about. Tell me an Idea that would make more sense then my idea then you can critique my ideas
@LEOR9DGERS123 no it doesn't make sense he should never get the wrong alien with the Completed Omnitrix that's just stupid
You deserve more views man your doing a great job from an analytical perspective honestly
4:43 it’s mine, makes me wish ultimate alien, can get it animated movies
It's really Ben's character development (some of the others too but in more minor cases).
His growth in Alien Force was fine, dialed way too up in season 3, then reached horrifically inconsistent levels in UA and OV.
I enjoy the mutant thing, but I feel kevin should have been an alien for multiple reasons. One, what the hell was aggragor if osmosions aren’t aliens, two it made the hole kevin dad being real or not confusing. It doesn't ruin the show but something i don't like.
I feel that they could have easily said that Agregor is a clone of kevin dad and was created by servantis
@@bashengatheblackmanta7003 they could absolutely have done that… but they didn’t so we are left with questions
4:57 I feel like they were trying to make a point
For me, it's Ben's character regression that started due to network interference, how non-plot centric episodes were handled in Omniverse, and Omniverse's art style. The hexagon/blocky art style ruined the design of almost every alien that was reintroduced in Omniverse. Big Chill, Chromastone, Cannonbolt, Echo Echo, and Humungousaur got it the worst. The hexagon Omnitrix is ugly on every alien. Also the redcon of Kevin's backstory in Omniverse it was a fun watch but it cheaped Kevin and Gwen's relationship, made a mess of one of Ultimate Aliens best arcs, and essentially made Kwarrel a figment of Kevin's imagination.
And the whole getting Ben the wrong alien is bullshit because in no scenario in the show so far will Ben need Walkatrout or The Worst
As Linkara say: Nostalgia is toxic.
If they were to make a new show they should just start from scratch with a new timeline with a more mature element
yeah not tgat omniverse garbage
ben 10k, like getting put on trial for having to much power after building the omnitmatrix
I think if they tried to keep pushing what makes uaf special from og instead of making it more like og ben 10 it would have made the series 10 times better
Facts
I think they tried to recapture the wrong parts of the original series. The character writing and more mature tone of UAF combined with the mysterious atmosphere and worldbuilding of Classic, with its more bizarre creature design and elements of classic comic books, conspiracy theories and UFOlogy would've been a perfect combination.
@idle_speculation yes and getting rid of the shitty artstyle that was OV including the dumb retcons
@idle_speculation i agree , to add more I think that what Dwayne wanted the show to be
@@Gamer-wo1st you know, I enjoyed ov art style, but some retcons had no reason to exist, like retconing kevin and making charm caster evil again
Making vilgax like a clown and whatever TF they did with eon
There’s only so much that I could like and tolerate from Ben 10 as a classic favourite but all versions of it mostly the original animated series helped me create something new and original for my own channel inspired by the original content of Man of Action Entertainment
I think it was the omniverse it was not that serious more like for kids and funny and reboot too but thats my opinion maybe alien force ultimate too it did't had the story like original ben 10
things does not have to be serious to be good plus ov can get too serious at times os was not serious aswell except at fewer times than ov it focus more on the action than the story
uaf also was not that serious there is goofy stuff that can happen but it is more focused on the plot similar to ov aswell
so this serious topic is not really a factor in the classic continuity to make them good but the reboot really needed it at times to flesh out the plot which the reboot rarely have
there's a trend with new movies and shows with making them overly comical at I don't understand
Fan’s arguing which series is better,
Thats what truly ruined Ben10
And a lil bit of DJW for putting to much misinformation from the old Ben10 wiki in the show…. * cough cough *kevin* cough cough*
For me it wasn't the fact the it was ruined persay more so, some of the designs of some aliens, specifically the blocky framed robotic aliens, which doesn't really role with me and also alien x like he stated
But I wish people held it in as much regard as all the other shows like avatar
Only the last Airbender part of avatar is highly respected. Korra isn't in that level.
So in a way people usually respect a part of ben 10 and not the rest as much
@ I just wish they did.
avatar is highly overrated
@ I understand that
i never had a problem with te extra aliens but the plots though yeahi did sometimes
Another Ben 10 RUclipsr thinking Gwen's retcon was that big of a deal even though the show literally tells us it's not because she had to still learn magic for her powers activate watch the show you're such a big fan of seriously
I didn’t find it much of a big deal. More so just a noteworthy change
Omniverse is the black sheep of the herd I never liked him😒
8:16 same
My answer for what ruined Ben 10 is Alien Force Season 3. It was ground zero for a lot of Ben 10's issues going forward. The series never fully recovered from it. Ultimate Alien had to take into account for the events of that season and it was battling the whiplash from that season.
Omniverse embrace the whiplash from that season and lead into the series going under as a whole. I hate OV more than I do AF Season 3, but the source for OV's quality came from that season.
I don't hate AF Season 3 (It's just a very mixed bag), but it's to blame for what happened to Ben 10 as a whole.
nah omniverse ruined it
Uaf and ov retcons. And inconsistent characterization.
The ben 10 reboot that is what ruined ben 10
Alien force season 3 and the artstyle changes every now and then, keep it simple
I Honestly think it’s just nostalgia nothing ruined Ben 10
great job
To me? The Human designs in reboot, otherwise NOTHING!
Everything reboot, lol. especially alien x😅
@AlmostSaDiK I like Slapback, Shock-Rock, Xerge and the Omni-Enhanced, Omni-Kix and Omni-Naut features actually, oh and the Antitrix aliens...HOLY CRAP now those are AWESOME! Bashmouth ROCKS! 🤘
I HATE OMNIVERSE
@@SPIDERMANISOVERRATED literally who cares
@@hattoripool1533 u do tho
@@SPIDERMANISOVERRATED no you do
What ruined ben 10 is they kept removing ben's character development
And being a brusier
OMNIVERSE WAS TERRIBLE TBH
@@SPIDERMANISOVERRATED no one cares
@hattoripool1533 clearly u did
@@SPIDERMANISOVERRATED no you do
@hattoripool1533 why did u reply in the first place ?
"What Ruined Ben 10?"
Short Answer : REBOOT
i like omniverse its animation is exprsive its a good blend of bens character arcs so far and i like how it blended most of all if not every alien ever besides spitter , fast track and jet ray .
Ima be real with you. When it comes to Ben 10, I prefer UAF and Omniverse over the original series. That’s just me 🤷🏾♂️
Most of the changes or retcons I can live with, but the Omniverse Osmosian retcon is still taking some healing because I wanted to see the rest of the Osmosian species ever since Aggregor was introduced. The Osmosians had the potential to be the Viltrumites of Ben 10, possibly being the big bads of a whole arc. If just Kevin or Aggregor alone was a challenge then imagine a whole army! But I’ve slowly been able to let that disappointment go because there’s no changing the past.
Alien X. I don't need to say much else.
Nah, that's what made parts of the Fandom annoying.
I hate reboot💢💢💢💢💢
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