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Synthesizer Show & Tell - Roland JX-8P & iPG-800
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Synthesizer Show & Tell, EP: 2 covers the Roland JX-8P and the iPG-800 App for iPad.
Each week I challenge myself to write a piece of music using only one synthesizer, and share some tips and tricks on how to use the instrument.
The JX-8P is an analog 6 note polyphonic synth made in 1985. It is well built with a solid metal casing, stable DCO’s, and 64 programmable patches.
0:00 - Noodling
0:25 - Introduction
1:30 - Track intro
1:51 - Drum sounds
3:08 - Leads
3:40 - Bass
4:35 - Stabs and clicks
5:02 - Ear candy and twinkles
5:38 - Pads and strings
7:35 - Juno 60/106 comparison
8:08 - Chorus
8:55 - iPG-800 Live application
9:40 - All Because of a Girl: song made using the JX-8P and vocals.
To connect the iPad to the JX-8P I use the IK Multimedia iRig MIDI 2, via MIDI IN & OUT.
iPG-800 is developed by Kentai and can be found in the App Store.
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No body beats a good analog like this synt. 👆
Great video and music. I just made a homage to the JX with KIWI installed. So great to own one again after 30 years!
Excellent video. The reason Juno 60 sounded different to JX-8P is because Juno 60 is in a way related to Jupiter 8. While JX-8P is related to Alpha Juno. Here are full details on the IC's:
JX-8P
DCO: Standard Ic.
VCF: IR3R05
VCA: M5241
ENV: Software
Alpha Juno
DCO: MB87123P-G
VCF: IR3R05
VCA: M5241
ENV: Software
Juno 60
DCO: Standard Ic.
VCF: IR3109
VCA: BA662
ENV: IR3R01
Jupiter 8
VCO: discrete
VCF: IR3109
VCA: BA662
ENV: IR3R01
Don Solaris wow so cool. How do you know all this?!?
Hi Don. Thanks for sharing this info!
What source did you access for this info?
p.s. Coincidently, I checked out your Solaris demo vids last night. Congrats on your purchase! When it comes to sound quality (dynamic range, extremely noisefloor, etc) & flexibility, the Solaris is one amazing synth!
@@derekbaker3279 Hi! Can you give me the link to the video? I am confused about which one you refer to. I have a lot of vids.
@@DonSolaris Hi Don. My apologies. I had a 'brain fart'...I saw "Solaris" and thought that you had tested or made patches for the spectacular & droolworthy Solaris 'boutique' synthesizer. No wonder you were confused...my mistake!
p.s. Have a listen to this video at 720p or 1080i, through good speakers or headphones. You'll understand why my mind was stuck on the Solaris Synthesizer! lol :)
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The Alpha Juno and the JX-8P might have the same filter chips, but the way they're set up makes them sound completely different.
Alpha Juno on high rez sounds Juno-y, similar to the 106 but it doesn't quite self resonate. The JX's filter on high rez sounds terrible, although I like the synth a lot anyway!
Great JX8P review, thanks for uploading. Amazing piece of music too.
Thank you for the awesome video.
Amazing! I am waiting for mine😍🎶🎹
That original bass patch is really cool
Thanks! I prefer not to skimp on the low end
This was the first synth I ever purchased brand new in 1985! I also had the PG800 and wound up selling it (like a dummy 😜). However I still pull this synth out for some gigs to this day! Thanks again my friend, for reigniting my passion for analog synthesis. 👌🏾
My pleasure!
Great Music Man, and super voices. Good Job.
love these videos, keep it up!
You can control that synth with a iPad 🤯 pretty rad
Some really funky sounds and a great track, great JX8P review as well!!
Jan Gayen “Evr’y thang I do gone be funkay!” Thanks man
This is another excellent video. I didn't even know half of sounds are possible on the jx8p. I usually use the jx-3p because I love those string sounds. I look forward to your future videos and your tracks are great. Take care Sam.
Machiwoomiapoo thanks for the kind words. I checked out your channel and it looks like you have quite the collection yourself!
Whooow, that solo in song is ,,smokin'"!!! Great!!
Hey Learson. Kudos re: your excellent original track. Catchy, top-notch vocals, and perfect production!
Thanks for doing a very helpful & eye-opening demo of the JX-8P!
Derek Baker My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I had a JX and a Juno 106 twenty years ago. IMO they are both great synths, Juno is brighter and the filter is better on high rez, but the JX has a much broader palate, 2 DCOs are much more flexible.
Chorus is different, much more refined and less obvious on the JX. Funny thing is I liked the Juno much better back then, now I like both synths equally, they complement each other well.
I have a Alpha Juno now that scratches the Juno itch for me, I love the Alpha Juno, very very warm synth. The filter sounds great on high rez too, it doesn't go quite as high as a 106 but sounds great and Juno-y!
luv the song and that key change and u make me wanna get this synth
great solo on the track
Very good brother
Great JX8P video, it totally deserves more views!
10hz thanks! I know it’s not as popular as some other synths. I’m trying to spread awareness!
People only look at the knobs and sliders rather than the pure sound performance, so they consider more Juno 106 than JX8P or Juno Alpha 1 and 2. Sonically JX8P and Alpha 1/2 are way more powerful and rich than Juno106. Furthermore now we can get ipad softwares to replace the unobtainable PG800. Clearly, you have a better deal with JX8P and your ipad than a Juno106 with easily used voices chip.
Sensacional men
They have one for 900$ at music go round. Not cheap. I bought a busted one for 50$. Someone dropped it pretty hard, has a nasty dent on the back by the power supply. Took it apart, the boards look ok I don't see any cracks. The wiring is pretty unique, they used mutlicolored wires tied into looms with string, never seen that one. Pretty cool mainboard this synth is beautiful inside and out! They say the transistors on the power supply go out a lot, also the voltage regulators sometimes. Theres a company that makes a pg800 like device out there that you can install on the spot where you put the ipad, many knobs....oh no looks like they are sold out! Hope I can get this thing working! Thanks for the vid was awesome!
Scott Stevenz $900 is waaaaay too much. I think I bought this one for $250 about 2 years ago.
I’m lucky enough to have the controller for it. It’s truly a wonderful synth
Aegises lucky dog!
Dude. I just ordered a JX-8P that has the Retroaktiv controller built into the keyboard itself. Bout to be JAMMIN
Hey Larson, I have one of these too but I use the Kiwi Patch Editor which works fantastic. I had too much latency with the PG-800 editor. This is another hidden gem that will stay in my collection. I sold my JX-10 because the filters in this unit are softer even though they claim the 10 has 2 JX-8p voice cards. The chips are a different revision. Cheers Rick
Both the Juno and JX series are built with digitally-controlled analog oscillators. There, the similarity ends. The JX and Alpha Juno models have much more sluggish envelopes. I am perfectly content with that, because I prefer having two oscillators for each note played.
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- Eric Benjamin Gordon
The jx8p is definitly a synth that needs to be explored. I think thw fact it only has membrame buttons i think, puts people off. I kind of fell into this trap with my alpha juno. By the way this is the first time ive heard any demo of the jx8p do oscillator sync. Awesome show n tell. Look forward to more . :-)
Adamski A. In a world of mono-synths the JX is a rare beautiful gem. It’s so hard to understand the architecture without a controller. I probably would have sold it if I didn’t find out about the app...
Adamski A. Yeah. The osc sync is really important I think to get the most out of the synths width. And along with the chorus and some reverb it actually gets very huge.
The membrane keys are really high quality ones though, switches still work well almost 40 years later, and no cracking of the surface of the switch, unlike cheap membrane switches.
!!! for the live arpeggios part and more.
really amazing track man! I've got to get a freakin pg-800, they've like quadrupled in price since I've owned a jx :*(
I think the JX8P is a very underrated machine. Great for pads.
adam872 super underrated! I was just recording some pads with it today. I’m in heaven
This is so cool! Are you able to get real time changes from the iPad into the DAW to automate things as you play? Or is it standalone only to program sounds before recording into the computer?
I wish this was available as a module, but just a jx8p, not the mks70, which has gone up in price.
Talking about bass and not switching/showing mono unison mode... :S All 6 voices stacked into mono are crazy phat on this synth.
DestroyER82 for sure. I guess I should have spent more time on the bass sounds
Yeah, just detune those oscillators ever so slightly and you can get some really fat sounds out of the 8P. It's an underrated synth. Which is great if you want to buy one since you can get one in good working order for ~$600 if you look around. The PG-800 is actually usually more expensive than the 8P. But the ipg-800 is great. But, you can also use the PG-8X vst to through a USB to midi to send sysex messages to the 8P to control it that way. Or, if you can hunt down the unfortunately discontinued behringer bcr-2000 rotary controller you can use that to control all of the parameters too.
JX8P with the addition of PG800 is way more superior to JUNO106. ( I own the two ).
Agreed, I owned both and sold the 106, you can do so much more with the 8P. The 106 is really rather limited in what it does, admittedly what it does do, it does well but personally I found it dull & uninspiring. Love my 8P, never selling it.
Did you find the JX8P lower in volume than the Juno? My Juno 60 is substantially louder
There is a volume switch on the back that says LMH (low medium high). Maybe mess with that if you need a hotter signal.
@@MusicFed know this is a year old,but.... Am a hobby tech and both synths are from the 80's,you could be having the JX output caps goin south on ya or a fresh set[upgrade to 105c] in the Juno.
Great videos as always. Is there a way to send midi from the daw while still having the synth hooked up to the ipad ipg 800 controller?
I will stick to my integra 7 units... yea I have 4 of them in the studio!!
stereo effects, and it has all of this onboard!! as well as super saw! I can go as 1980's to new as I need!!
IGNUSA 4! Do they work in shifts?
Awesome! Do they make coffee?
I have a DeepMind 12 but always wanted a vintage Roland. I haven’t really fallen in love with my DeepMind , but that’s due to several Quality control issues. Since you have both, would it be redundant own the JX8P ? If so I guess I’ll look into the DX7 since I don’t own any FM. Thanks for your time
Jarrod Charlifue the JX8P is way different to the DeepMind, and both are different to a DX7. While I love the DeepMind, I could never get pad or string sounds I liked out of it. Something the JX is great at.
Jarrod Charlifue I sold my DX7 a while back because I wasn’t using it very much. I wish I hadn’t. It’s very tedious to program but if you put the time in you can get some unique sounds.
Hey Learson.
Little thing....when it comes to the presets this synth came with, 28-STAB BRASS is the one that was used for the primary riff for EUROPE's 'The Final Countdown'.
=)
Ragin' Ronic thanks for the correction. I never knew...
Ragin' Ronic how did you learn that tidbit?
@@StephenLearson ruclips.net/video/ubFoPnQe0cI/видео.html
Just scored an 8P,first to fix known issues, then on to programming. I don't have an I pad,though I do have a tablet. Personally would prefer the hardware vs the software,despite the price. Any pros and cons brought to light here would be appreciated.
Beautiful pad at 5:36 Warm and genteel
Dr. Campbell Music of Nature I was going for that future islands vibe
@@StephenLearson Thanks for great demo! Can you tell me - is pad Sting - Fields of gold - from JX-8P (may be with another synth layer) or not? How do you think?
@@J._Campbell In this video Sting's keyboardist is using a controller so it's probably a rack synth. Not sure what though.
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@@StephenLearson Thanks. Your pad at 5:38 is great! I've heard it on my hi-fi. Big beautiful sound!
Dr. Campbell Music of Nature I’m glad it sounds good on the hifi. I try and make it sound good for iphone and home movie theaters ;)
Great video and recording. Have you considered the Kiwi-Technics upgrade? I just brought home a Kiwi-8P and am hard at work to fill the 512 patch memories.
Paul Artola I never heard of it until your post. Checked out some videos and it sounds dope!
I just picked up the mod for my 8P. Now I just have to find a tech who can install it for me since I lack the skills to do so myself.
Hi Learson- is it possible to use the iPG controller and still record midi into a DAW at the same time? I see that your iRig is going into both MIDI in and out, so was wondering if there's a work around? Thanks
Not sure never tried
Hi Learson, I tried copying the settings from your iPG-800 on my PG-800 for your Midnight sound that starts at 6:33 but it doesn't sound the same, could you send me sysex of that sound pls pls pls I'm so in love with it
TOO COOL! I wish they made an app for Android.
Also, can you have both the irig and app going and do midi sequencing at the same time?
Subbed btw =)
RhythmicBliss thanks for watching! Since the iRig takes up your Midi IN I’m not sure how you would send a sequence to the JX
@@StephenLearson that's kind of what I thought. I had the 3p with programmer, and you could only do one or the other.
Is there a way to use the iPG 800 along with triggering this keyboard via MIDI from my computer?
Doug Davis not sure. Never went down that rabbit hole
Which iRig do you use? I searched for it and found several different ones. I also heard that the BCR2000 works great with the JX.
Bear Roebuck I’m using the IK Multimedia iRig MIDI 2. Haven’t tried the BCR2000 but I bet it has a better “hands on” feel (as long as you can figure out which knob is assigned to which parameter).
@@StephenLearson You can find overlays for the BCR2000 that people have made for controlling the 8P. Just print it out and maybe laminate it and you're good to go.
Great video, just wondered how you're connecting the iPad to the synth? and can everything be master clocked or just midi synced with a DAW at same time? I just got the jX8P and considering the iPG-800 or a midi controller of some sort....
I'm connecting the JX-8P to the iPad via the iRig MIDI 2. I've never tried to incorporate the master clock with this setup. The iRig has IN OUT and THRU and I use the MIDI IN & OUT to send patch data to and from the iPad/JX.
The JX-8P was alright sounding when I bought it but when I got the app it became a monster! If you already have an iPad this is the way to go. I use my iPad and the iRig for a bunch of things (Animoog, Model 15, Kaossilator etc), and the iPG-800 app is $5!
Hope this helps, Stephen
@@StephenLearson That's great thank you. I think this is what I was wondering, I reckon this can all clock to a DAW as it comes with every necessary cable. I'm guessing you're going into the IN/OUT midi ports of the JX8? and not the DIN in meant for the PG-800, as that would be sweet, freeing up the midi ports to use as normal but I'm sure there's a work around in there somewhere.. I don't own an ipad but maybe cheaper route than a controller. food for thought
@@airforcetone Yes I'm using the MIDI ports on the JX. That would be sweet if there was a way to use the DIN. It would be great if Kentai (or Roland- cough cough...) made the app work for the iPhone or Android.
@@StephenLearson or better still an iRig that has bluetooth
@@StephenLearson One thing I noticed in this video ruclips.net/video/GR6AYK7MxsY/видео.html is that when you have a sequencer sending midi notes like I plan to, to make arpeggiators etc notes stop or get stuck when you adjust parameters at same as playing. This makes my DIN idea even more important as I plan to use filters on arps/sequences. hmmmm wonder if you can convert the midi info into DIN via a cable....
Funky. Would I getting much in this I couldnt get out of my Korg Prologue?
Great vid! Just can’t understand what you said about the original bass possibilities? I have an 8P myself.
Joachim Sällström what do you want to know? In the video I’m toggling the Resonance, Cuttoff Filter, and Decay
Steve Learson You said that the 8P had special capabilities concerning making bass sounds, setting it apart from other synths. What did you mean by that?
1:51 : thats a matter of opinion, taste and just repeating what all others say! personally i dont think they suck
What's serial number on yours?
I got my iPad and iPG-800 and the iRIG MIDI and i can’t get to work! What do i need to do? Thank you
Don Baisa I’ve never heard of the iRIG MINI. I’m using the iRIG MIDI2. Not sure if it’s compatible with the MINI.
Learson Peak ya just saw that I corrected it
@@dbaisa68 Double check your MIDI IN and OUT are plugged in correctly. I have to push the connection cable really snug and deep into iRig sometimes or it won't work.
Learson Peak ok all they are plugged in well! Maybe it’s something on the MIDI on the JX-8P that i might be doing something wrong! Forgive me I’m new at this
@@dbaisa68 are you plugging in MIDI IN and OUT from the iRig to OUT and IN? Does the iPG app change when you switch patches? You might want to try editing a patch on the internal card (middle yellow button).
You got a like cuz of your hair before I even finished the video
Vincent Stevens you can tell how excited I am about the synth by the height of my hair
Haha, full on 80s pomp you got there. Thanks for the video, I'm still deciding between JX-8P and JX-3P
Vincent Stevens 8P all the way. 3P is a big step down
Learson Peak I was told they are very different though. JX-3P has a more Juno series sound to it and that it's more raw than JX-8P. Also that JX-3P sounds more like the years it was made and used, late 70s and early 80s while JX-8P is more mid to late 80s. Which makes me wanting to get both really.
Vincent Stevens It might sound more like a Juno... until a Juno shows up! The 3p is a little punchier and has a sequencer. The 8P’s pads are lush with a smoother purring kind of sound sound. They are very similar. I guess it depends what you’re looking for in you sonic synth pallet.
Nice sounds but no bass in your track.
She do you get these for $200-$300? More like $1000 now
0:50 Dude clean your gear :(
I must disagree about the presets. I own this synth and presets are ok. New presets also more than welcomed.
Nathan Furman I should’ve been more precise in the video. Actually the JX presets are rather good. My favorite part about analog synths is you can make your own