The problem with this question is what defined a "2nd option". I dont think people are saying scottie is better than kobe when they choose him over kobe... they're saying he's the greatest side kick of all time. There is an argument that kobe wasn't truly a 2nd option to begin with. Imo there is a difference between being the number 1 and number 2 and being a dynamic duo like kobe and Shaq, lebron and wade, or Magic and kareem.
🧢 3 fmvps for Shaq Ina row. it's obvious Kobe Bryant was a second option u just don't like to admit it. If I'm being honest Shaq is better than Kobe Bryant all-time in my opinion. Shaq gets extremely disrespected by Kobe Bryant fans it's sad. Shaq was the leader that's not a slight it's a fact 💯
@peanut-iy8ny my comment doesn't mean there can't be a better player between the two. It's just that the two players are closer to each other in terms of skill where you would have to call them the greatest Duo. For some teams you have a star and just a really great roleplayer. Imo scottie was the best 2nd option of all time.
@@gifi11 And Pippen wasn't looked at as being a top 5 player in the league throughout the 90s!? I don't know if ya'll are kids or what but Pippen was considered one of the best players in the NBA during the 90s, this revisionist history you people keep trying to push is BS. And 2001 Kobe was not considered a top 5 player in the NBA. But 03-04, yes, absolutely but not 01.
@@Mercurial. Stop. Shaq was the clear first option in that 3 peat. Shaq won the fmvp for all of those championships in that 3 peat. Shaq was the most dominant player in the game at the time. Kobe played a big role and played at such a level where they could be considered equals, but kobe was the 2nd option during that 3 peat.
@@Mercurial. Mind you, I think Kobe is better than shaq. I got kobe at #2, a place where most people wouldn’t even put him due to the narrative the media pushes around him, but even I can admit that kobe was the second option during that 3 peat. That doesn’t hurt Kobe’s legacy tho.
@@zaiah1215 pippen was the better second option than Kobe for one reason: pippen knew and accepted his role as the second choice so Jordan can do his thing, Kobe could never accept being the second option because he always saw himself as the first option, hence why they imploded in 04 . Kobe didn’t get the credit that he thought he deserved for the three peat. I’m not a Kobe fan and he isn’t in my top 5 but im not blind either to his greatness
@@danielsims916 True, and we did se eventually that Kobe was a great first option during his 08-10 run where he led the USA team to the gold, got an mvp, led the lakers to 3 straight finals and won 2 out of those 3, while not having a top 75 teammate (which only a few players like duncan and Curry have done) and facing more 50+ win teams than players like magic Johnson faced in their whole careers. Him and pau worked well. I’d still go with Kobe due to him being the better player and showing that him as a second option can get you a 3 peat but if we’re going strictly off of who contributed to more championships as the second option, I see why people would choose pippen.
Kobe’s 2002 Finals and 2001 WCF is better than any playoff series that Scottie Pippen had. 2001 WCF vs Spurs 33.0 - 7.0 - 7.0 - 51.4 FG% 2002 Finals vs Nets 26.8 - 5.8 - 5.3 - 51.4 FG%
Don't forget the 2002 western conference finals vs the kings also no cap I wasn't a fan of kobe but I had to respect him he put it down shaq was that dude during their championship runs but he definitely wouldn't be finals mvp if kobe didn't dominate that's why I say imo this duo always the baddest duo in nba history definitely of the modern era hands down end of discussion I might be wrong but no duo will ever three peat again
@@fxgaming2570 kobe was a 1st team defender during that 3 peat run and was top 5 in DPOY voting. I wouldn't even classify kobe as a 2nd option tbh. 2nd options don't avg 30 for an entire playoff run. Shaq was Superman and Kobe was Batman, he wasn't no Robin like Scottie
Y’all are confusing being a better player than being a better second option. Kobe was a better player than Scottie but Scottie was a better second option because he knew his role. IMO
We not confusing anything. No matter how y’all try to flip this question. Kobe was a better 2nd and 1st option then SP and it’s really not that close. Respectfully
@@Trvllumanati nobody brought up being a 1st option. We are talking about being a second option and playing that role. In which I think Scottie played that role better.
@@Mxlxchi …and I also said he was a better second option. Kobe was not only locking down perimeter players but was also putting up ELITE scoring numbers Scottie NEVERRRR did both of this in a entire season or playoff series.
@@Trvllumanati facts like bro was doing it both ends only thing Scottie was doing elite was defending and Playmaking running the triangle that’s what he brought to that team Kobe brought it all
@@Trvllumanatikobe due to his own ego / personality deeply couldn’t accept being a number 2 kobe is a way better play but as a number 2 it’s pippen a guy that was locking up 1-5 and was scoring the ball while facilitating and rebounding only thing kobe did better was score and it wasn’t for all 3 just 2 and 3
Kobe wasn't a 2ond option EVER on that 3PEAT Lakers! Shaq was 1st option when game on the line? Nope he was glued to the bench or fouled out! Where was Shaq when needed a comeback in games?! Nowhere. Kobe lead the time. Creation, decision making and CLUTCH! That was Kobe who did that! So Scottie the way better 2ond option!
@@regalbanks6905 Sidekick means who is better to have as your second best player. The answer is obviously Kobe. Basically, it’s who the better player is, in the context of how they scale alongside a #1, whether in general, or with the specific teammate they laced up with. On your latter question, because team success is a team accomplishment, in this case….much moreso just reflecting the number of years where Scottie’s prime overlapped with the best prime in NBA history in MJ, as well as the competition you’re facing, versus the much small number of years that prime Kobe and prime Shaq overlapped on the same team. It’s just a low IQ take.
@@Cotswolds1913 Ok then. Only team success. The Lakers lost only 1 game through ALL of the 2001 playoffs while SWEEPING their conference. If that isn’t TEAM dominance idk what it is..
@@HoTSh0t24 i find them cold but funny at the same time.I heard one a long time back it went something like. “”if pigs or cows could fly we’d be living in fantasy land but we ain’t “
I'm not going to give my opinion on this because you get called a clown in this generation for your own opinion,but I rock with this channel! Y'all fellas keep doing ya thing! Even the takes I don't agree with, I respect it!
I need y'all to stop disrespecting the Pistons saying that "if they got along, they would've won that 4th one"... Leave the hypotheticals alone and stick to the facts please. We beat them in 5 games and should've swwpt them
@@officialroseworld1997 right, they just lost... To me, they're the greatest duo to ever play the game but they simply lost and it's not fair to discredit one of the greatest defensive teams ever like that. I could see if it was 7 or even 6 games but this was 5 games.... Saying they would've won or should've won is just disrespectful.
Fr its insane. From the eye test he the closest thing to MJ I've ever seen. Had to go through Greg pop Tim and 3 hall of hamers, With pau and supporting pieces. Half of the Dude on The Lakers 09 team couldn't Make an nba roster. Lol Jordan Farmer, Sasha V, Devin George, come on man. Lebron couldn't win with that team look at how it went in Cleveland before going to Miami with minimal help.
@@jaythedon126 facts lol or just have "taken his talents to other places" lol kobe Stayed in one place and still got more rings that Lebron in his 20 year career in comparison.
@chill, in the Bull's first 3 rings, the league average for scoring was 105 - 106. The early 90s were similar to the 80s. The late 90s is when scoring dropped. In the early 90s, some teams were scoring 110 to 119 points a game. I will give Pippien a slight edge as the 2nd option because he won 3 more. But it's not crazy to say Kobe was the better second option.
Scottie Pippen is the more complete "Team" player. I'd take Scottie 8 days a week over Kobe. Scottie got all his teammates involved @ all times! Kobe has visions of MJ commercials playin in his mind! BBAll is a team sport..... Unfortunately Kobe wasn't a good team player.
@@AlwaysInnaHoodie Kobe as a sidekick had playoff series where he outplayed Shaq. Show me the playoff series where pippen outplayed Jordan?? I’ll wait.
@@Trvllumanati Technically that’d make Kobe a costar night sidekick. Kobe isnt a sidekick when he’s won multiple games during those playoffs without shaq
Kobe is obviously the better player but it was his fault the dynasty fell apart. Say what you want about Scottie, he was still a top 3-4 player in his prime and played his role
Kobe is the easy answer, but it would also depend on the makeup of the team and who the first option is. Like Kobe was the best second option to Shaq in their first 3 peat. Scottie is the best second option for MJ.
Scottie was the better second option because he knew that he was the second option so he knew his role. Kobe always viewed himself as the first option and he couldn’t accept being the second option even though he and shaq three peat . Kobe was the better player but Scottie was the better second option
Nîgga what ?? Kobe viewed and he was the capable of being the first option he damn near was during the playoffs 01-03 . Whatchu said makes no sense cause as the 2nd option kobe did more for Shaq than pippen did for mj. MJ WAS CLOSING THOSE GAMES OUT when he was the 2nd option& kobe was closing games out wit shaq. That’s just a fact that’s what makes Kobe the better 2nd option no disrespect to Scottie at all he one the best and was damn good but now y’all Puttin him at the height of some he wasn’t
@@aquartermil u are speaking as a Kobe fan and with emotion instead of with logic . Pippen was better than Kobe , not because he wasn’t the better player because he clearly wasn’t, it was because he wasn’t driven by his ego and wanting to be the man unlike Kobe . Kobe never saw himself as a second option so he never fully embraced the role . In fact it was one of The key reasons why they imploded in 04. Everyone knew it was shaq team for the three peat teams and Kobe felt he didn’t get the Credit he deserved. Why u think he was hell bent to win one without shaq? Again Kobe was leaps and bounds better than pippen as a player but pippen was better as a second option because it helped produce 6 championships.
@@danielsims916 ima bron fan and Whatchu doing using Kobe ego and outside shìt instead THEY GAME 😭tf does ego have to do wit being the 2nd opt when both of them won rings as the 2nd option ego have nun to do it it. You would feel some Typa way too if the “best player” was Comin in out of shape and hurt then having to carry and lead your team then when he get back in shape gotta reduce your role you’d be pissed Kobe put the work in he was in the gym gettin shots up working out more than Shaq was so he though genuinely he shoulda had the keys which all stars think that even Scottie thought that but thing between the 2 Scottie couldn’t score the ball and close games out for the bulls like Kobe could
@@aquartermil u are proving my point . Look at the LeBron / kyrie situation. Kyrie like Kobe had earlier success as the second best player but neither one wanted to embrace the role . Kyrie always thought he was a number one, just like Kobe and his ego got in the way of the team success, just like Kobe . But unlike Kobe , kyrie went to Boston and flamed out as the number one option. Kobe even admitted that he was the biggest reason why they imploded in 04 . His selfish decisions , ego , arrogance cost them the championship.
@@danielsims916 Kyrie isn’t Kobe Bru cmon Bru can’t have a convo wit niggas tryna compare someone who wasn’t on the same level kobe was back then 😂like cmon bro !!
Pippen did more, guy had playoff runs where he led in every major statistical category except scoring. He was also a lock down defender, way better defensively than Kobe.
What does that mean…. like 0.1 more steals than MJ and 0.1 more blocks? It’s simple. Kobe was clearly the best defender on the Lakers. Pippen was the best defender on the Bulls as time went on. Both elite defenders; offensively Kobe is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Pippen. Better shooter, playmaker, more efficient, versatile. People lie; numbers don’t
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing Kobe was better offensively but he wasn't better defensively. Kobe was insanely overrated defensively. WFT are you on!? Phil Jackson even called out Kobe's defense in his book, flat out said Kobe didn't deserve all those defensive awards.
Kobe is the best side kick of All-Time! Scottie is the greatest side kick of All-Time! Best in my definition is - You’re the best at what you do! Great in my definition is - Your achievement defines how great you are!
Scottie in 1993-1994 was overrated because his numbers was not really any better than other years and he had two all stars in Grant and Armstrong plus clutch shooting from Kukoc
@@yeahrell They were all stars that year which means they played on a higher level that year than in pre ious years. Plus Kukoc was huge for the bulls with his clutch shooting and playmaking abilities. Also they had Longley who was the best center they ever had so it wasn't just all about pippen that's a myth
Fr Ticket the Kobe disrespect is insane. From the eye test we all know he was the closest thing to MJ we've ever seen. Had to go through Greg pop Tim and 3 hall of famers, Melo and the gang, etc west was tougher back then. He almost 3 peated With pau and supporting pieces. Half of the Dudes on The Lakers team couldn't even Make an nba roster. Lol Jordan Farmer, Sasha V, Devin George, come on man. Lebron couldn't win with a tram like that. look at how it went in Cleveland before going to Miami with minimal help.
Kobe was the 1st option in the 2000-2001 season, Kobe was the Lakers best player that year for the regular season and the whole western conference playoffs, Shaq was only better in the Finals. This question is disrespectful. Kobe matched Shaq statistically in the 2000-2001 season, what year did Pippen match Jordan?
What a low IQ Kobetard take, nothing but lies. Shaq was their best player that 2000-01 season, their offense ran through him, not Kobe. Shaq was their best player in the 1st round against Portland, he put up 27 ppg to Kobe's 25 ppg while being the main player getting double teamed by Wallace and Sabonis. In the second round against the Kings, Kobe put up 35 ppg/9 rebs/4.3 apg on 47% fg%, Shaq put up 33.3 ppg/17 rpg/3.3 bpg on 60% fg%, hmmmm I think I would rather take Shaq's monstrous and more impactful numbers in that series too. Not saying that Kobe didn't play great, but Shaq's numbers overall were more impressive and dominant. Then in the WCFs, Kobe played the best in that round against the Spurs, no doubt. Then in the Finals, which you Kobetards never mention lol, Shaq clearly outplayed everyone. Kobe was having a hard time penetrating against the 76ers defense. So all in all, Kobe only outplayed Shaq in 1/4 playoff rounds. You Kobetards will make up any lie to push your Kobe GOAT narratives. I also don't understand how you can think Kobe was better than Shaq during the 2000-01 season when Shaq averaged slightly more ppg on way better FG% and was clearly more impactful because the team ran around his low post dominance, how do you make that insane claim?
It's really what do you value more. It's close pippens personality lent itself better for the role, but Kobe played it better. Kobe probably wouldn't have got surgery right b4 the season, or sat out a game 7 in the ecf over a headache, but he's not going to give you 10 years as #2 either.
Wow 10 min video about this you guys were just coming up with anything. Literally muted anything said. Just came here to tell all of you that if you think Pippen is anywhere close to Kobe as a 2nd option you should start watching baseball because basketball is not for you.
so the thing is batman has been superman’s sidekick before . and we can all say superman can whoop batman’s ass without any prep time, but with prep time batman can beat superman. in no world can robin beat batman, robin isn’t physical or mentally there to comprehend the lessons or mysteries in each battle. that’s what i relate this to.
8:25 Ticket is right but his logic is flawed You can’t just assume they go to 4 finals because Shaq won with Wade and Kobe went with Pau. The 2006 Heat roster was better and by the time 2008 came around Pau was better than Shaq. You can’t just assume he makes the finals with Shaq who’s an inferior player to Pau
I love this debate because people keep saying how Pippen the better second option which mean Kobe was actually 1B when teaming with Shaq instead of the second best player lol
Kobe is obviously better all time but Pippen was a better teammate and 2nd option. He understood that MJ was better than him and accepted his role. Kobe, even after playing horrible in the 04 finals, thought that he should be the man and forced the FO to trade Shaq
You really think MJ and Kobe would coexist on the same team? Kobe couldn't get along with Shaq and Shaq was a fun loving guy that everybody loved. I actually think Shaq an Scottie win 4-5 in a row. Scottie wouldn't of shot the team out of the 04 finals like Kobe did.
A lot of people are using their feelings to argue their point instead of listening to the question. No one is debating whether Kobe was a better player that pippen because we know Kobe was better and I couldn’t stand Kobe as a player. But as a second option pippen was better because he knew he was the second option and accepted it. Kobe viewed himself as the first option so it was difficult for him to accept.
Maybe because Pippen was that a second option Kobe knew he was more than that. And yes his feud with Shaq cost the team but in the end he won more than Shaq with less help and had a better career so what are we talking about
bean won 2 without shaq, Pippen couldn’t do nothing without MJ on bulls nkr Houston nor Portland. Also as a 2nd option Kobe was able to take over games when needed droppin 40s and 50s, can’t same the same for Scottie. Bean 30 40pt games 5 50pts with shaq. Pippen 4 40pt games with Jordan zero 50 point games.
It’s obvious no one is listening to the question. They wasn’t asking who was the better player, they was asking who was the best second option for the team. How can Kobe be in lakers and kobe fans eyes a top 3 player but be the best second option? That makes zero sense . By people saying that Kobe was the second best option then he wasn’t the best player on that three peat championships . Kobe couldn’t accept being the second best player hence why they imploded during 2004 . Pippen knew and accepted that he was the second best player on the team so it became easier for Jordan to do his thing. Kobe was the better player and I’m not a Kobe fan but I’m not blind either. But pippen was the better second option for this reason and this reason alone : pippen accepted his role and Kobe didn’t
@@adnanojd it doesn’t take away from Kobe and how good he was. But how can he be the best second option when he never viewed himself as a second option but a first option? I’m looking in the comments and most people are answering with their feelings instead of using logic
@Evan H you're not taking the human element into account. All this talk on the video of, "Well, if they hadn't split up..." - a huge reason why they split up was because Kobe wanted to be the guy. He always viewed himself as the number 1 option, even when he clearly wasn't. In his early years, he was constantly forcing it, which led to some great highlights because he was so talented, but also led to a lot of turnovers and bad shots that were sooooooo unnecessary because you COULD just dump the ball down into the most physically dominant player in the game. But instead, you force it because you want to show off your talent. Pippen always knew his role and was arguably the best 2nd banana of all time.
@Francisco Pizarro what you're saying makes sense on paper, but basketball isn't played on paper. If you want to say the playoffs version of '01 Kobe or the '02 Finals version of Kobe was a better #2 than any version of Scottie as a #2, I'd agree with that. But Scottie was a #2 for 6 championships; Kobe couldn't stomach being a #2 for that long. I'll take Pip being the ultimate #2 for 6 rings over Kobe begrudgingly being an inconsistent #2 in '00, but a great #2 in the playoffs in '01 & '02 for 2 more rings. However, we can't say it doesn't matter why they split up seeing as how it was because Kobe didn't want to be #2, and because of that it imploded for a humiliating loss in '04 to the heavily underdog Pistons.
Scottie clears kobe as a 2nd option he's literally 6-0 as a second option. Scottie never proved himself as a 1st option. Kobe was always a first option forced to play with another 1st option
Exactly man. U got it. Kobe was THA 1st option in WINNING INTANGIBLES and IMPACTED WINNING as a Superstar when the game on the line. While Shaq couldn't as he was a post player, period! Scottie was an All Star at most
@@von1626 no Pippen as a 1st option took the Bulls to the ECSF and quit on his team in the heat of battle when his team was down 0-2 in game 3 against the Knicks. Pippen as a 1st option begged Jordan to come back in 95.
@@jacoblee5796 Closer than some people give Wade credit for but Kobe was simply more scalable and versatile than Wade. Better 3pt shooter, better mid range shooter, more versatile, bigger
@@oh-turkeybird Yes, including when KD was there. Primary playmaker, primary foundation around which the offensive sets were constructed, and equal scoring prowess with KD, makes Steph the #1 option on offense, and with everything revolving around what he brought….hence why the Dubs were barely over .500 in games Steph didn’t play but KD did, vs .800+ record in games with Steph but no KD.
I will say this pretty kobe was never a #2 or sidekick it was always 1a 1b pippen was always #2 so this shouldn't be a conversation cuz kobe in his playing days the media wouldn't even call him #2 buy if consider him a #2 kobe would definitely be better
Bruh why are we comparing a star to a superstar pippen is a top ten SF if that kobe is the second best SG in NBA history .Now who's the better teammate it's pippen by far Kobe was made to be the 1 option Kobe knew he was better then Shaq by his third year and Shaq thought he was better then kobe it would never had lasted There wasn't a day pippen thought he was better then mike.
Kobe and Shaq staying together, win 0 extra titles. One year left in Shaq's prime (2005), and wouldn't be favored even in that year, the first year of the spurs big 3.
Kobe was a better second option and player. Scottie ain’t play the competition Kobe did, Scottie also got bullied and folded a lot of times and at the latter end of the 3 peat he was DONE.
@@tayluc777 I mean they multiple years in the same league together so they both competition …… it comes down to the fact that Kobe was going blow for blow with Shaq as the best player on the team while MJ carried Pippen consistently
PIPPEN IIS WAY BETTER DEFENDER! DEFENSE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS OFFENSE! WHEN YOU PLAY WITH A BIG MAN IT OPEN THE GAME FOR EVERYBODY ELSE” LIKE A GASOL 🤷🏽♂️ IS CRAZY HOW GREAT LBJ & KOBE ARE THEY STILL NEED ALL THSE EXCUSES 🤣
Right and Kobe put the effort on defense same as Pippen did. As far as a big man well in Chicago u had the dominant two guard that open the game for Pippen and everyone else like a Paxson and Kerr. So why was Pippen average on offense since Jordan was doubled and tripled teamed some nights?
The problem everyone thinks its fantasy & NBA2k” It’s not about stats 🤦🏽♂️ Pippen wasn’t playing for stats” neither was JORDAN! They play within the offense” MJ was the go to guy on offense” But he not a big man that control the paint, which is a big different” It showed when Kobe starting winning when GASOL & Bynum arrive” If Kobe was MJ or even play close to what Pippen was on defense” He would won without a big man” The reason for super teams “ Is. the Lack of big men playing in the post” Look at the bubble gum ship” It was a big man who dominated” That made it easier for the wing player that’s older to dominate to” Duncan was old when he beat the heat with a young player and the rest was small & old” It’s a big man game” Even Giannis prove that” 🤷🏽♂️
PEOPLE LOVE LIVING IN THE COMPUTER! THE HUMAN DONT UNDERSTAND WHY DONT USE STAT(S FANTASY) OR AWARDS(NBA2K) TO PROVE VALUE!! PIPPEN HAVE MORE CAREER STEALS , BLOCK & RDS THEN KOBE IN LESS YRS! HIS DEFENSE SKILLS SET SHOW 👀 THAT! PIPPEN ALSO HAD 100 BLS IN SEASON & LLED THE LEAGUE IN STEALS” TWO PLAYERS CONSIDER BETTER THEN HIM” WHO NEEDED PLAYERS TO WIN 🏆 NEVER DID THAT” BUT THE ERA OF FAN OF MEN WOULDNT PAID ATTENTION TO THAT! 😂
Chill need to chill lol 😂 Get over it quit trying to discredit Kobe to make Lebron look better. Lol it ridiculous. I like Lebron but we all know its about statistics with him. Stat padding Kobe played broke fingers, knee shoulder no game management to secure stats. The NBA is soft now. And people who know nothing about basketball disrespecting a Top 5 player of all time! Who else scored 81 under 7'0 lol "shooting guard"
Calling Pippen a second option is not disrespect fella it's reality. The problem is u tryna put Pippen on this superstar pedestal level and he's not fella. Pippen was an Allstar fringe star player nothing more nothing less. Pippen is ranked exactly where he's supposed to be fella. Nice try fella lol
@@g24deez nice try “fella”. Not once did I say he was a Superstar “fella”. Just noticing that any time Pippen is discussed on this podcast, it is mad disrespectful. Acting as if he was barely in the league when he was a perennial all star and first team all league defender. Interesting that they didn’t bring up the times Kobe didn’t make it to the finals without a top 5 big. Yes he went to three finals without Shaq. He also missed the playoffs 4 times in his career “fella”. Pip led the Bulls in most statistical categories when he played with MJ. He filled up the stat sheet without being a volume shooter and primary scorer. He was a better second option. Mainly because Kobe came in trying to be the guy when he had Shaq in his prime. Pip knew his role and executed it to perfection. To the tune of 6 titles in 2 separate 3 peats. It’s ok “fella”. We all know Kobe was a better player.
@@jamiecousins254 fella of course u didn't outright call him a superstar but to say someone disrespect Pippen game is disillusioned fella. Again like I said if u wasn't tryna put Pippen on this superstar pedestal level then u wouldn't be Delusional to think someone disrespect Pippen game fella. Nice try though fella lol
@@jamiecousins254 well actually Pippen first 2 seasons in the league he was barely in the league fella. Pippen rookie year he didn't start not one game and the Bulls went 50-32 3rd seed all this with Pippen coming off the bench averaging 7.9 ppg and he wasn't even the 6th man fella so yep Pippen were barely in the league early In his career hence the bad contract Pippen signed that hunted him until he finally got his big payday fella lol. Go study up fella because when u REACH I TEACH fella lol
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The problem with this question is what defined a "2nd option".
I dont think people are saying scottie is better than kobe when they choose him over kobe... they're saying he's the greatest side kick of all time.
There is an argument that kobe wasn't truly a 2nd option to begin with.
Imo there is a difference between being the number 1 and number 2 and being a dynamic duo like kobe and Shaq, lebron and wade, or Magic and kareem.
💯 facts you explained it perfectly
🧢 3 fmvps for Shaq Ina row. it's obvious Kobe Bryant was a second option u just don't like to admit it. If I'm being honest Shaq is better than Kobe Bryant all-time in my opinion. Shaq gets extremely disrespected by Kobe Bryant fans it's sad. Shaq was the leader that's not a slight it's a fact 💯
@peanut-iy8ny my comment doesn't mean there can't be a better player between the two. It's just that the two players are closer to each other in terms of skill where you would have to call them the greatest Duo.
For some teams you have a star and just a really great roleplayer. Imo scottie was the best 2nd option of all time.
@@peanut-iy8nyagree 1000% with this take
Agreed
Kobe was never a "side kick" to Shaq. No one ever called them the Shaq Lakers. They called them the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. Facts
Shaq 1A Kobe 1B
MJ-Batman Pippen- Robin
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Shaq- Superman Kobe-Batman
MJ-Batman Scottie- Robin
Super facts. People trying to rewrite history. At 21 years old, Kobe was already looked at as a top 5 player in the league lol.
@@gifi11 And Pippen wasn't looked at as being a top 5 player in the league throughout the 90s!? I don't know if ya'll are kids or what but Pippen was considered one of the best players in the NBA during the 90s, this revisionist history you people keep trying to push is BS.
And 2001 Kobe was not considered a top 5 player in the NBA. But 03-04, yes, absolutely but not 01.
@jacoblee5796 Pippen was never looked as a top 5 player. You good? I lived it. You might want to go back and research.
It’s Kobe and it’s not even close. This shouldn’t be a debate.
Kobe wasn't a 2ond option 😂
When was that?
In Clutch, game on the line?
Decision making?
Needed a bucket?
That was Kobe.
Y'all funny 🤣
@@Mercurial. Stop. Shaq was the clear first option in that 3 peat. Shaq won the fmvp for all of those championships in that 3 peat. Shaq was the most dominant player in the game at the time. Kobe played a big role and played at such a level where they could be considered equals, but kobe was the 2nd option during that 3 peat.
@@Mercurial. Mind you, I think Kobe is better than shaq. I got kobe at #2, a place where most people wouldn’t even put him due to the narrative the media pushes around him, but even I can admit that kobe was the second option during that 3 peat. That doesn’t hurt Kobe’s legacy tho.
@@zaiah1215 pippen was the better second option than Kobe for one reason: pippen knew and accepted his role as the second choice so Jordan can do his thing, Kobe could never accept being the second option because he always saw himself as the first option, hence why they imploded in 04 . Kobe didn’t get the credit that he thought he deserved for the three peat. I’m not a Kobe fan and he isn’t in my top 5 but im not blind either to his greatness
@@danielsims916 True, and we did se eventually that Kobe was a great first option during his 08-10 run where he led the USA team to the gold, got an mvp, led the lakers to 3 straight finals and won 2 out of those 3, while not having a top 75 teammate (which only a few players like duncan and Curry have done) and facing more 50+ win teams than players like magic Johnson faced in their whole careers. Him and pau worked well. I’d still go with Kobe due to him being the better player and showing that him as a second option can get you a 3 peat but if we’re going strictly off of who contributed to more championships as the second option, I see why people would choose pippen.
Kobe’s 2002 Finals and 2001 WCF is better than any playoff series that Scottie Pippen had.
2001 WCF vs Spurs
33.0 - 7.0 - 7.0 - 51.4 FG%
2002 Finals vs Nets
26.8 - 5.8 - 5.3 - 51.4 FG%
That has nothing to do with the topic or the question.
@@judahmourneth3211 how is it not?? Is the debate not about who was the better second option?
Don't forget the 2002 western conference finals vs the kings also no cap I wasn't a fan of kobe but I had to respect him he put it down shaq was that dude during their championship runs but he definitely wouldn't be finals mvp if kobe didn't dominate that's why I say imo this duo always the baddest duo in nba history definitely of the modern era hands down end of discussion I might be wrong but no duo will ever three peat again
You're only showing offensive stats
@@fxgaming2570 kobe was a 1st team defender during that 3 peat run and was top 5 in DPOY voting. I wouldn't even classify kobe as a 2nd option tbh. 2nd options don't avg 30 for an entire playoff run. Shaq was Superman and Kobe was Batman, he wasn't no Robin like Scottie
Y’all are confusing being a better player than being a better second option. Kobe was a better player than Scottie but Scottie was a better second option because he knew his role. IMO
We not confusing anything. No matter how y’all try to flip this question. Kobe was a better 2nd and 1st option then SP and it’s really not that close. Respectfully
@@Trvllumanati nobody brought up being a 1st option. We are talking about being a second option and playing that role. In which I think Scottie played that role better.
@@Mxlxchi …and I also said he was a better second option. Kobe was not only locking down perimeter players but was also putting up ELITE scoring numbers Scottie NEVERRRR did both of this in a entire season or playoff series.
@@Trvllumanati facts like bro was doing it both ends only thing Scottie was doing elite was defending and Playmaking running the triangle that’s what he brought to that team Kobe brought it all
@@Trvllumanatikobe due to his own ego / personality deeply couldn’t accept being a number 2 kobe is a way better play but as a number 2 it’s pippen a guy that was locking up 1-5 and was scoring the ball while facilitating and rebounding only thing kobe did better was score and it wasn’t for all 3 just 2 and 3
The answer is Kobe
Yeah he the best 2nd option ever
y'all should be embarrassed for asking this question. it takes some nerve to post this
This is exactly what I was thinking lol
Kobe refused 2nd option. By default, it's pippin.
Kobe clears wtf
Kobe wasn't a 2ond option EVER on that 3PEAT Lakers!
Shaq was 1st option when game on the line?
Nope he was glued to the bench or fouled out!
Where was Shaq when needed a comeback in games?! Nowhere.
Kobe lead the time.
Creation, decision making and CLUTCH!
That was Kobe who did that!
So Scottie the way better 2ond option!
Ticket TV cooked them on this
Pippen was clearly the better sidekick. He won 6 rings playing Robin to MJ’s Batman.
Show me the playoff series where Scottie pippen put up numbers like Kobe did in the 01 WCF vs spurs
Confusing team success with individual players' impact. Stop doing that.
@@Cotswolds1913 they're asking who's the better sidekick, not the better player. How can team success not factor into the equation?
@@regalbanks6905 Sidekick means who is better to have as your second best player. The answer is obviously Kobe. Basically, it’s who the better player is, in the context of how they scale alongside a #1, whether in general, or with the specific teammate they laced up with.
On your latter question, because team success is a team accomplishment, in this case….much moreso just reflecting the number of years where Scottie’s prime overlapped with the best prime in NBA history in MJ, as well as the competition you’re facing, versus the much small number of years that prime Kobe and prime Shaq overlapped on the same team. It’s just a low IQ take.
@@Cotswolds1913 Ok then. Only team success. The Lakers lost only 1 game through ALL of the 2001 playoffs while SWEEPING their conference. If that isn’t TEAM dominance idk what it is..
5:23 shoutout to chill for that savage comeback loool
You’ve never heard that saying before? Normally it’s if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle but same thing
@@HoTSh0t24 i find them cold but funny at the same time.I heard one a long time back it went something like. “”if pigs or cows could fly we’d be living in fantasy land but we ain’t “
I'm not going to give my opinion on this because you get called a clown in this generation for your own opinion,but I rock with this channel! Y'all fellas keep doing ya thing! Even the takes I don't agree with, I respect it!
The one issue with Kobe was chemistry and his deciding to shoot too much in 2004 losing them the finals
I need y'all to stop disrespecting the Pistons saying that "if they got along, they would've won that 4th one"... Leave the hypotheticals alone and stick to the facts please. We beat them in 5 games and should've swwpt them
They don’t want to admit that there really isn’t any excuse for losing that series
@@officialroseworld1997 right, they just lost... To me, they're the greatest duo to ever play the game but they simply lost and it's not fair to discredit one of the greatest defensive teams ever like that. I could see if it was 7 or even 6 games but this was 5 games.... Saying they would've won or should've won is just disrespectful.
Do people not understand that a player’s impact goes beyond just what the stats show
Kobe
Next question
Chill just hates MJ
Kobe disrespect is at a all time high shit is crazy 🤦🏾♂️
Man it’s sad 😔
Fr its insane. From the eye test he the closest thing to MJ I've ever seen. Had to go through Greg pop Tim and 3 hall of hamers, With pau and supporting pieces. Half of the Dude on The Lakers 09 team couldn't Make an nba roster. Lol Jordan Farmer, Sasha V, Devin George, come on man. Lebron couldn't win with that team look at how it went in Cleveland before going to Miami with minimal help.
@@Salutecug truth be told if it were bron he would have traded the whole team away and that’s a fact
@@jaythedon126 facts lol or just have "taken his talents to other places" lol kobe Stayed in one place and still got more rings that Lebron in his 20 year career in comparison.
@chill, in the Bull's first 3 rings, the league average for scoring was 105 - 106. The early 90s were similar to the 80s. The late 90s is when scoring dropped.
In the early 90s, some teams were scoring 110 to 119 points a game.
I will give Pippien a slight edge as the 2nd option because he won 3 more. But it's not crazy to say Kobe was the better second option.
4:55 Pippen had a big game, but Kobe carried shaq in game 7 of the western conf finals. Lakers don't even reach the 2000 Finals if not for Kobe
You must be about 30 years old….
@@jacoblee5796 which means he was to young to understand the nba at that time
Scottie Pippen is the more complete "Team" player.
I'd take Scottie 8 days a week over Kobe.
Scottie got all his teammates involved @ all times!
Kobe has visions of MJ commercials playin in his mind!
BBAll is a team sport.....
Unfortunately Kobe wasn't a good team player.
This shouldn’t even be a discussion.
Scottie should never even be mentioned in the same breath as Kobe Bryant
*As a sidekick
@@AlwaysInnaHoodie Kobe as a sidekick had playoff series where he outplayed Shaq. Show me the playoff series where pippen outplayed Jordan?? I’ll wait.
@@Trvllumanati outplayed shaq or just scored a few more ppg? There’s a difference
@@jasonmoukala8909 can you give me more than 3 instances where the player that scored more in a series wasn’t viewed as the best player?
@@Trvllumanati Technically that’d make Kobe a costar night sidekick. Kobe isnt a sidekick when he’s won multiple games during those playoffs without shaq
Kobe is obviously the better player but it was his fault the dynasty fell apart. Say what you want about Scottie, he was still a top 3-4 player in his prime and played his role
Please stop with the Kobe disrespect. Thanks durag! You know basketball. These clowns say he's not top 10
I mean he still don’t know bball but he’s right about this
Got him 11th
@@judahmourneth3211 y'all drunk 🥴🤣
@@BIGJERSEY908 y'all drunk some moonshine didn't it? 🥴🤣
Pippen was the better second option. He knew his role and didn’t try to outshine the star
Because Kobe wasn't made to be a second option, he was made to be a first option so why would he accept 2nd?
Pippen doesn't touch Kobe as a 2nd option, y'all are dumb.
That’s quite literally the point
Ticket loses debate
Ticket: man they all just ganging up on me
How is this even a topic????? 😂😂😂
Kobe is the easy answer, but it would also depend on the makeup of the team and who the first option is. Like Kobe was the best second option to Shaq in their first 3 peat. Scottie is the best second option for MJ.
Scottie was the better second option because he knew that he was the second option so he knew his role. Kobe always viewed himself as the first option and he couldn’t accept being the second option even though he and shaq three peat . Kobe was the better player but Scottie was the better second option
Nîgga what ?? Kobe viewed and he was the capable of being the first option he damn near was during the playoffs 01-03 . Whatchu said makes no sense cause as the 2nd option kobe did more for Shaq than pippen did for mj. MJ WAS CLOSING THOSE GAMES OUT when he was the 2nd option& kobe was closing games out wit shaq. That’s just a fact that’s what makes Kobe the better 2nd option no disrespect to Scottie at all he one the best and was damn good but now y’all Puttin him at the height of some he wasn’t
@@aquartermil u are speaking as a Kobe fan and with emotion instead of with logic . Pippen was better than Kobe , not because he wasn’t the better player because he clearly wasn’t, it was because he wasn’t driven by his ego and wanting to be the man unlike Kobe . Kobe never saw himself as a second option so he never fully embraced the role . In fact it was one of The key reasons why they imploded in 04. Everyone knew it was shaq team for the three peat teams and Kobe felt he didn’t get the Credit he deserved. Why u think he was hell bent to win one without shaq? Again Kobe was leaps and bounds better than pippen as a player but pippen was better as a second option because it helped produce 6 championships.
@@danielsims916 ima bron fan and Whatchu doing using Kobe ego and outside shìt instead THEY GAME 😭tf does ego have to do wit being the 2nd opt when both of them won rings as the 2nd option ego have nun to do it it. You would feel some Typa way too if the “best player” was Comin in out of shape and hurt then having to carry and lead your team then when he get back in shape gotta reduce your role you’d be pissed Kobe put the work in he was in the gym gettin shots up working out more than Shaq was so he though genuinely he shoulda had the keys which all stars think that even Scottie thought that but thing between the 2 Scottie couldn’t score the ball and close games out for the bulls like Kobe could
@@aquartermil u are proving my point . Look at the LeBron / kyrie situation. Kyrie like Kobe had earlier success as the second best player but neither one wanted to embrace the role . Kyrie always thought he was a number one, just like Kobe and his ego got in the way of the team success, just like Kobe . But unlike Kobe , kyrie went to Boston and flamed out as the number one option. Kobe even admitted that he was the biggest reason why they imploded in 04 . His selfish decisions , ego , arrogance cost them the championship.
@@danielsims916 Kyrie isn’t Kobe Bru cmon Bru can’t have a convo wit niggas tryna compare someone who wasn’t on the same level kobe was back then 😂like cmon bro !!
I think pippen compliments Jordan's game than almost any other player ever, and the same is true with Kobe and Shaq
Kobe all day
Lmaooooooo Kobe tf he 3 peated as Batman to shaq’s Superman Scottie was more like robin to Batman with Mike no disrespect to Scottie tho🙏🏾
Kobe was only better as a second option for 3 years. Pipp was a second option for 6 so because of the longevity it’s Scotty
Pippen did more, guy had playoff runs where he led in every major statistical category except scoring. He was also a lock down defender, way better defensively than Kobe.
What does that mean…. like 0.1 more steals than MJ and 0.1 more blocks? It’s simple. Kobe was clearly the best defender on the Lakers. Pippen was the best defender on the Bulls as time went on. Both elite defenders; offensively Kobe is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Pippen. Better shooter, playmaker, more efficient, versatile. People lie; numbers don’t
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing Kobe was better offensively but he wasn't better defensively. Kobe was insanely overrated defensively. WFT are you on!? Phil Jackson even called out Kobe's defense in his book, flat out said Kobe didn't deserve all those defensive awards.
Kobe was not a 2nd option ? He was arguably a top 5 player all-time in the history of the NBA.
5:23 chill gunna get in trouble
I’m late but why is this even a damn debate
Kobe shot them out that series against Detroit
Kobe ruined the team by fighting with Shaq, Scottie didn’t do that to Mike despite having a very good reason to.
Weak ass argument 😂
@@juliopoueriet2031 How's it a weak argument when it's absolutely the truth!?
Offensively Kobe
Defensively Pippen
Rebounding Pippen
Passing/Assists Pippen
Clutch Kobe
No Kobe was a better playmaker than Pippen
Kobe is the best side kick of All-Time!
Scottie is the greatest side kick of All-Time!
Best in my definition is - You’re the best at what you do!
Great in my definition is - Your achievement defines how great you are!
Scottie in 1993-1994 was overrated because his numbers was not really any better than other years and he had two all stars in Grant and Armstrong plus clutch shooting from Kukoc
@@yeahrell They were all stars that year which means they played on a higher level that year than in pre ious years. Plus Kukoc was huge for the bulls with his clutch shooting and playmaking abilities. Also they had Longley who was the best center they ever had so it wasn't just all about pippen that's a myth
@@yeahrell That year they were
Na y’all jus be disrespecting Kobe like this for views
Fr Ticket the Kobe disrespect is insane. From the eye test we all know he was the closest thing to MJ we've ever seen. Had to go through Greg pop Tim and 3 hall of famers, Melo and the gang, etc west was tougher back then. He almost 3 peated With pau and supporting pieces. Half of the Dudes on The Lakers team couldn't even Make an nba roster. Lol Jordan Farmer, Sasha V, Devin George, come on man. Lebron couldn't win with a tram like that. look at how it went in Cleveland before going to Miami with minimal help.
BEAN!
Are we seriously having this question?
Define 2nd option. Remember context matters
I’d prefer Scottie over Kobe as my sidekick but of course Kobe is the better player.
Kobe was the 1st option in the 2000-2001 season, Kobe was the Lakers best player that year for the regular season and the whole western conference playoffs, Shaq was only better in the Finals. This question is disrespectful. Kobe matched Shaq statistically in the 2000-2001 season, what year did Pippen match Jordan?
All Facts
What a low IQ Kobetard take, nothing but lies. Shaq was their best player that 2000-01 season, their offense ran through him, not Kobe. Shaq was their best player in the 1st round against Portland, he put up 27 ppg to Kobe's 25 ppg while being the main player getting double teamed by Wallace and Sabonis. In the second round against the Kings, Kobe put up 35 ppg/9 rebs/4.3 apg on 47% fg%, Shaq put up 33.3 ppg/17 rpg/3.3 bpg on 60% fg%, hmmmm I think I would rather take Shaq's monstrous and more impactful numbers in that series too. Not saying that Kobe didn't play great, but Shaq's numbers overall were more impressive and dominant. Then in the WCFs, Kobe played the best in that round against the Spurs, no doubt. Then in the Finals, which you Kobetards never mention lol, Shaq clearly outplayed everyone. Kobe was having a hard time penetrating against the 76ers defense. So all in all, Kobe only outplayed Shaq in 1/4 playoff rounds. You Kobetards will make up any lie to push your Kobe GOAT narratives. I also don't understand how you can think Kobe was better than Shaq during the 2000-01 season when Shaq averaged slightly more ppg on way better FG% and was clearly more impactful because the team ran around his low post dominance, how do you make that insane claim?
Chill annoys me . he must be in denial
what tf did kobe do to that old guy , i always see him hate on kobe let alone the fact he has kobe 11th lmao
He’s Shaq’s cousin I think he’s still salty.
Pippen made the All Star team in 1994 and 1995 Jordan came after the all star break in 1995
It's really what do you value more. It's close pippens personality lent itself better for the role, but Kobe played it better. Kobe probably wouldn't have got surgery right b4 the season, or sat out a game 7 in the ecf over a headache, but he's not going to give you 10 years as #2 either.
Wow 10 min video about this
you guys were just coming up with anything. Literally muted anything said.
Just came here to tell all of you that if you think Pippen is anywhere close to Kobe as a 2nd option you should start watching baseball because basketball is not for you.
so the thing is batman has been superman’s sidekick before . and we can all say superman can whoop batman’s ass without any prep time, but with prep time batman can beat superman. in no world can robin beat batman, robin isn’t physical or mentally there to comprehend the lessons or mysteries in each battle.
that’s what i relate this to.
8:25 Ticket is right but his logic is flawed
You can’t just assume they go to 4 finals because Shaq won with Wade and Kobe went with Pau. The 2006 Heat roster was better and by the time 2008 came around Pau was better than Shaq. You can’t just assume he makes the finals with Shaq who’s an inferior player to Pau
Honestly Ticket is right a lot but the way he phrases things is crazy 😂
I love this debate because people keep saying how Pippen the better second option which mean Kobe was actually 1B when teaming with Shaq instead of the second best player lol
See this a tough one bc it depends on what role u want ur 2nd option filling, i dont think pippen and shaq work as well and neither do kobe and mj
Somehow Magic and Kareem both missed this debate
Kobe is obviously better all time but Pippen was a better teammate and 2nd option. He understood that MJ was better than him and accepted his role. Kobe, even after playing horrible in the 04 finals, thought that he should be the man and forced the FO to trade Shaq
And proceeded to have a better and longer career than Shaq also won more with less help weak ass argument
Remind me how Scottie played during the 1996 playoffs ?
The only issue here is whether Kobe was even a 2nd option?
I can't lie bro I'd never see Kobe as a sidekick, someone being the second option and sidekick are to different things 🤦
Is this a real debate
Ticket wooped yall last night!!!! FACTS!!!
Kobe was a better player but Scottie was a better fit. Any all star was going to win titles with shaq but Scottie and Jordan were perfect together.
that is false penny hardaway i would argue is better than d wade
Just switch the players and teams... MJ and Kobe win at least six... Shaq and scottie win nothing.
You really think MJ and Kobe would coexist on the same team? Kobe couldn't get along with Shaq and Shaq was a fun loving guy that everybody loved. I actually think Shaq an Scottie win 4-5 in a row. Scottie wouldn't of shot the team out of the 04 finals like Kobe did.
@@jacoblee5796yall know everything huh
A lot of people are using their feelings to argue their point instead of listening to the question. No one is debating whether Kobe was a better player that pippen because we know Kobe was better and I couldn’t stand Kobe as a player. But as a second option pippen was better because he knew he was the second option and accepted it. Kobe viewed himself as the first option so it was difficult for him to accept.
Maybe because Pippen was that a second option Kobe knew he was more than that. And yes his feud with Shaq cost the team but in the end he won more than Shaq with less help and had a better career so what are we talking about
What stats support that ?
Kobe didn't want to handle being a second option.
The answer is Scottie
Pippen bro was a better side kicc but Kobe was a better player
bean won 2 without shaq, Pippen couldn’t do nothing without MJ on bulls nkr Houston nor Portland. Also as a 2nd option Kobe was able to take over games when needed droppin 40s and 50s, can’t same the same for Scottie. Bean 30 40pt games 5 50pts with shaq. Pippen 4 40pt games with Jordan zero 50 point games.
2nd option….pay attention
Kobe was a better option too.
It’s obvious no one is listening to the question. They wasn’t asking who was the better player, they was asking who was the best second option for the team. How can Kobe be in lakers and kobe fans eyes a top 3 player but be the best second option? That makes zero sense . By people saying that Kobe was the second best option then he wasn’t the best player on that three peat championships . Kobe couldn’t accept being the second best player hence why they imploded during 2004 . Pippen knew and accepted that he was the second best player on the team so it became easier for Jordan to do his thing. Kobe was the better player and I’m not a Kobe fan but I’m not blind either. But pippen was the better second option for this reason and this reason alone : pippen accepted his role and Kobe didn’t
@@danielsims916 fair last sentence
@@adnanojd it doesn’t take away from Kobe and how good he was. But how can he be the best second option when he never viewed himself as a second option but a first option? I’m looking in the comments and most people are answering with their feelings instead of using logic
So the bulls lose Mike the guy you called the goat still almost made it to the finals and they under achieved smh make it make sense man
How is making it to the 2nd round almost making it to the finals ?
Kobe is the greatest side kick of all time, no debate
This isn't even a debate: Kobe is the better all-time player and number 1 option; Pip is the better second option.
He's not the better anything, be it as a 1st option, 2nd option, or 3rd option.
@Evan H you're not taking the human element into account. All this talk on the video of, "Well, if they hadn't split up..." - a huge reason why they split up was because Kobe wanted to be the guy. He always viewed himself as the number 1 option, even when he clearly wasn't. In his early years, he was constantly forcing it, which led to some great highlights because he was so talented, but also led to a lot of turnovers and bad shots that were sooooooo unnecessary because you COULD just dump the ball down into the most physically dominant player in the game. But instead, you force it because you want to show off your talent. Pippen always knew his role and was arguably the best 2nd banana of all time.
@@Nootz10 It doesn’t matter why they split up. Who was the better player as the 2nd option and that’s easily Kobe
@Francisco Pizarro what you're saying makes sense on paper, but basketball isn't played on paper. If you want to say the playoffs version of '01 Kobe or the '02 Finals version of Kobe was a better #2 than any version of Scottie as a #2, I'd agree with that. But Scottie was a #2 for 6 championships; Kobe couldn't stomach being a #2 for that long. I'll take Pip being the ultimate #2 for 6 rings over Kobe begrudgingly being an inconsistent #2 in '00, but a great #2 in the playoffs in '01 & '02 for 2 more rings. However, we can't say it doesn't matter why they split up seeing as how it was because Kobe didn't want to be #2, and because of that it imploded for a humiliating loss in '04 to the heavily underdog Pistons.
Tenure wise, Pippen
Player wise, 17-19 Steph>both, 11 LeBron>both, 20 AD>both.
Curry the 1st option 17-19.
Do you even know what a second option is ? Lol
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing Do you?
@@benjaminan1183 4 of those tandems were 1A/1B…. MJ/Pippen were Batman and Robin.
Pippen better All Around
FACTS
Scottie clears kobe as a 2nd option he's literally 6-0 as a second option. Scottie never proved himself as a 1st option. Kobe was always a first option forced to play with another 1st option
Exactly man.
U got it.
Kobe was THA 1st option in WINNING INTANGIBLES and IMPACTED WINNING as a Superstar when the game on the line.
While Shaq couldn't as he was a post player, period!
Scottie was an All Star at most
We’re talking about 2nd option. Scottie was the better 2nd option.
Scottie as a first option took the bulls to a eastern conference finals
No he didn't. They lost in the 2nd RD. Folks still running with that fake narrative about Pippen taking them to the ECF.
@@von1626 no Pippen as a 1st option took the Bulls to the ECSF and quit on his team in the heat of battle when his team was down 0-2 in game 3 against the Knicks. Pippen as a 1st option begged Jordan to come back in 95.
Ticket has terrible arguments even when he’s right lol
It’s Pippen by far
Well Scottie had 6 rings and kept up with Jordan I don’t think he’s a slouch
Kobe Was Better… Case Closed 😂
This Shouldn’t Even Be A Conversation
The Kobe disrespect to have a debate like this is crazy lol I wanna talk but never mind ppple say whatever
Low key I'm taking D wade over Pippen. Finals mvp and 3 chips as a true side kick. Pippen is 16 5 5 for his career. Way better defender though.
I guess it depends how you describe it but who was the side kick Magic or older Kareem. I'm taking either over d wade or scottie.
@@xxxrage4k254 I’d take prime pre injury D Wade over Kobe, Wade was just better.
@@jacoblee5796 it really is that close.
@@jacoblee5796 Closer than some people give Wade credit for but Kobe was simply more scalable and versatile than Wade. Better 3pt shooter, better mid range shooter, more versatile, bigger
@@jacoblee5796 Kobe was light years ahead of Pippen offensively lol. Literally better than him at everything
Don’t tell me your really tryna debate this lmao!! This is getting out of hand. I know you need to find topics but are you serious
i don't understand the question... Scottie is not even in the same universe as Kobe...
jaylen brown
Scottie isn't even the second best second option, Steph clears
Steph is the #1 option on the Dubs.
@@Cotswolds1913 Not when KD was there. And even if you wanna say KD was #2 he still clears Pippen
@@oh-turkeybird Yes, including when KD was there. Primary playmaker, primary foundation around which the offensive sets were constructed, and equal scoring prowess with KD, makes Steph the #1 option on offense, and with everything revolving around what he brought….hence why the Dubs were barely over .500 in games Steph didn’t play but KD did, vs .800+ record in games with Steph but no KD.
@@oh-turkeybird Isolating for a single season, 2017 KD is probably the best #2 we’ve ever seen in league history.
@@Cotswolds1913 I like it and agree - Steph > KD
Scottie is lebron if he played with kobe
And I mess with Scotties game
I will say this pretty kobe was never a #2 or sidekick it was always 1a 1b pippen was always #2 so this shouldn't be a conversation cuz kobe in his playing days the media wouldn't even call him #2 buy if consider him a #2 kobe would definitely be better
Bruh why are we comparing a star to a superstar pippen is a top ten SF if that kobe is the second best SG in NBA history .Now who's the better teammate it's pippen by far Kobe was made to be the 1 option Kobe knew he was better then Shaq by his third year and Shaq thought he was better then kobe it would never had lasted There wasn't a day pippen thought he was better then mike.
Kobe and Shaq staying together, win 0 extra titles. One year left in Shaq's prime (2005), and wouldn't be favored even in that year, the first year of the spurs big 3.
Except Shaq won in 2006 and was still the best center in the league sooo….. are you implying that Wade is better than Kobe ?
Kobe was a better second option and player. Scottie ain’t play the competition Kobe did, Scottie also got bullied and folded a lot of times and at the latter end of the 3 peat he was DONE.
Also finals stats aren’t in Scottie favor as a second option. Kobe was injured 2000, but from then on he clears production.
@@tayluc777 I mean they multiple years in the same league together so they both competition …… it comes down to the fact that Kobe was going blow for blow with Shaq as the best player on the team while MJ carried Pippen consistently
Kobe stop it
Steph betta than both of them
Steph never been a second option since entering his prime.
PIPPEN IIS WAY BETTER DEFENDER! DEFENSE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS OFFENSE! WHEN YOU PLAY WITH A BIG MAN IT OPEN THE GAME FOR EVERYBODY ELSE” LIKE A GASOL 🤷🏽♂️ IS CRAZY HOW GREAT LBJ & KOBE ARE THEY STILL NEED ALL THSE EXCUSES 🤣
Right and Kobe put the effort on defense same as Pippen did. As far as a big man well in Chicago u had the dominant two guard that open the game for Pippen and everyone else like a Paxson and Kerr. So why was Pippen average on offense since Jordan was doubled and tripled teamed some nights?
The problem everyone thinks its fantasy & NBA2k” It’s not about stats 🤦🏽♂️ Pippen wasn’t playing for stats” neither was JORDAN! They play within the offense” MJ was the go to guy on offense” But he not a big man that control the paint, which is a big different” It showed when Kobe starting winning when GASOL & Bynum arrive” If Kobe was MJ or even play close to what Pippen was on defense” He would won without a big man” The reason for super teams “ Is. the Lack of big men playing in the post” Look at the bubble gum ship” It was a big man who dominated” That made it easier for the wing player that’s older to dominate to” Duncan was old when he beat the heat with a young player and the rest was small & old” It’s a big man game” Even Giannis prove that” 🤷🏽♂️
Kobe has more all defensive teams…..
PEOPLE LOVE LIVING IN THE COMPUTER! THE HUMAN DONT UNDERSTAND WHY DONT USE STAT(S FANTASY) OR AWARDS(NBA2K) TO PROVE VALUE!! PIPPEN HAVE MORE CAREER STEALS , BLOCK & RDS THEN KOBE IN LESS YRS! HIS DEFENSE SKILLS SET SHOW 👀 THAT! PIPPEN ALSO HAD 100 BLS IN SEASON & LLED THE LEAGUE IN STEALS” TWO PLAYERS CONSIDER BETTER THEN HIM” WHO NEEDED PLAYERS TO WIN 🏆 NEVER DID THAT” BUT THE ERA OF FAN OF MEN WOULDNT PAID ATTENTION TO THAT! 😂
@@mikiec6894 You said “it’s not about stats” the proceed to use stats ☠️
You contradicted yourself, making your argument invalid.
Chill need to chill lol 😂 Get over it quit trying to discredit Kobe to make Lebron look better. Lol it ridiculous. I like Lebron but we all know its about statistics with him. Stat padding Kobe played broke fingers, knee shoulder no game management to secure stats. The NBA is soft now. And people who know nothing about basketball disrespecting a Top 5 player of all time! Who else scored 81 under 7'0 lol "shooting guard"
Scottie must have smashed sombody’s chick on this podcast. Y’all stay with the disrespect for Pip.
Calling Pippen a second option is not disrespect fella it's reality. The problem is u tryna put Pippen on this superstar pedestal level and he's not fella. Pippen was an Allstar fringe star player nothing more nothing less. Pippen is ranked exactly where he's supposed to be fella. Nice try fella lol
@@g24deez nice try “fella”. Not once did I say he was a Superstar “fella”. Just noticing that any time Pippen is discussed on this podcast, it is mad disrespectful. Acting as if he was barely in the league when he was a perennial all star and first team all league defender. Interesting that they didn’t bring up the times Kobe didn’t make it to the finals without a top 5 big. Yes he went to three finals without Shaq. He also missed the playoffs 4 times in his career “fella”. Pip led the Bulls in most statistical categories when he played with MJ. He filled up the stat sheet without being a volume shooter and primary scorer. He was a better second option. Mainly because Kobe came in trying to be the guy when he had Shaq in his prime. Pip knew his role and executed it to perfection. To the tune of 6 titles in 2 separate 3 peats. It’s ok “fella”. We all know Kobe was a better player.
@@jamiecousins254 fella of course u didn't outright call him a superstar but to say someone disrespect Pippen game is disillusioned fella. Again like I said if u wasn't tryna put Pippen on this superstar pedestal level then u wouldn't be Delusional to think someone disrespect Pippen game fella. Nice try though fella lol
@@jamiecousins254 well actually Pippen first 2 seasons in the league he was barely in the league fella. Pippen rookie year he didn't start not one game and the Bulls went 50-32 3rd seed all this with Pippen coming off the bench averaging 7.9 ppg and he wasn't even the 6th man fella so yep Pippen were barely in the league early In his career hence the bad contract Pippen signed that hunted him until he finally got his big payday fella lol. Go study up fella because when u REACH I TEACH fella lol
@@jamiecousins254 Gary Payton, Chris Paul were perennial Allstars and 1st team all nba defenders do u have the same fake outrage for them too fella?
Can’t have Kobe as a better second option when he was only the second option for 1 year😂😂😂
Damn, beat me to it.
Depends how you define “option.” Shaq was the better player from 2000-2002 and in 2004
He was the 2nd option during the entire 3peat
@@jasonmoukala8909 exactly mfs crazy