@Glyn The AR3 is nice and I see that he has now closed the loops *but* I need to study more. Are these still stepper motors? Is torque limiting possible? This is a very important feature of industrial robots to avoid costly damage.
Thank you sir I enjoy your videos very much I'm 64 years of age I have traumatic brain injury and I'm retired it is easy for me to understand you I'd like to say thank you very much
@@Skyentific you just shine with happiness in this video, thank you for the interesting material. P S Do you plan to organize information on the various available electric drives in some form (table of comparative characteristics or something like that)?
i really appreciate your videos .... i apologize for asking for too much effort from you ..... i get too excited watching your videos ...... sorry for overwhelming you
Yeah man, nobody will tell you the absolute accuracy, you will always get the the accuracy in reference a teached point, fixed in space and known by the system, called Pose repeatability, even the big industrial robot manufacturers are working like that. You will see it clearly if you do some applications with calculated positions, machine vision etc. Thanks for the video!
Man. I already backed it but holy hell I am impressed with that. Dealing with the backlash can be solved with some clever locator methods so that's not even a deal breaker. I can't wait to have my hands on this and am so happy I skipped out on all the stepper motor versions of desktop robots.
OMG, so effin beautiful. Doesn't make a sound and follows your every order. I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!
I can't wait to see your 7DoF arm with the timing belts and cables. You may actually achieve that 0.1mm precision :) Maybe not in the 3D printed version since the frame itself will flex, but the final version should be awesome.
It looks like the biggest difference in mechanics/drive system between these "hobby" type 5-6 DoF arms and "industrial" models is backlash. With 2mm of backlash it probably would be quite hard to use this arm for applications like welding or some precision positioning application. I think something similar but with much smaller backlash and "sane" price point would be a killer product.
I would use a cheap laser pointer and fix it on the end of the arm and run the code several times across all axis and check if the points match previous iterations. Maybe try different paths to test the same endpoints. That should test the precision nicely.
yay i got a super early bird spot and was very excited to see that you had been in contact with them when your video notification came a few minutes later! could you please also check the real world payload, movement speeds and backlash in all axis at some point? what kind of things do you think you'll be doing with this arm? i would really like to see more about INNFOS' humanoid robots, and maybe replicating them, but maybe also combining this with jetson nano computer vision.
If the camera is on the head, you could lay a penny down and go thru the motions and return to see if the penny was in the same frame space for the amera to tell the accuracy.
"YOLO" will probably be the best new front-end "guide" with a neural network machine learned control process that we only understand how it made itself, but not much about what it made. towardsdatascience.com/yolo-you-only-look-once-real-time-object-detection-explained-492dc9230006
@@elektronik1111 It's called Field oriented or vector control. You can actually buy hobby grade electronic speed controllers that utilize this control technology, and you can interface them with hobby grade brushless motors, and an encoder, to build your own highly precise actuators. Some companies making such ESC's- Odrive Robotics - (has everything you need including a forum for trouble shooting, questions and answers, etc) Flipsky Hobbywing Maytech Trampa Boards This is the most exciting thing to happen to motor control, EVER.
Could you recommend Robot arm for industrial type educational purposes? It should be inexpensive and have a UI that is similar to modern industrial robots. I mean have same principle so that learned this robot it is not difficult to learn other robots.
@@MrSanekP Швеция говорит ТОЛЬКО по Шведски. Люди которые не отличают Швецию и Швейцарию такие же идиоты как те кто не отличает Австрию от Австралии. Охуеть.
I'm not sure if the precision test was conclusive. After pressure was applied, it returned to the original position. A better test would be to move it to a position, mark the exact point the head is at, then repeat the program and measure again. I suspect it's repeatable precision would be closer to the manufacturer's claim.
I think your table just degraded that beautiful work of art. Solid table and using a dial indicator would be an accurate test. I think if you didn't have it sitting on a wobbly picnic table you would get the accuracy of what they claim.
@@Skyentific Thank you very much for your reply. That's a shame, although the 2mm play at the end of the arm is a lot, anyway, locking forward to your next video. Keep up the good work :-)
I like your video with such detail of explanation about the robotic arm. Nevertheless, the Chinese company seems to don't have any intention to sell Gluon to the public.
What causes backlash, what would be the method to reduce backlash in a robot like this? What are the parameters / costs towards increasing payload ?? - is there a overview video that goes into the acturators and drives that dectate robot arm performance??
5 лет назад
I have a question! how can control the brushless motor? I see you can use odrive but I was thinking about the cheeta actuator, if them controller is more cheap. Or maybe exist a module can bus controller more cheap for brushless motor
I don’t know full story. It is still a mystery. But what I know: their main investors decided to get back their investments and to close the company. All the kickstarter money was refunded to the backers.
Very cool! And under $1000 bucks? Thats pretty amazing. The modular design is nice, but one of the things I like about your hobby robots is, that the motor size is different per axis. It seems you can get better control and better lifting capacity that way. Do you think the same motor size for each axis is still okay for INFOS GLUON?
Thanks for the video - Do you know if they provide URDF for this robot? I am not able to find it. I'd be interested to adapt it for use with ROS / MoveIt.
the axes seems to be not synchronised. do you have any information about how to do synchronised movement? Can it run cartesian movements, like LIN or CIRC?
Will you disassemble it a bit and see how it's made? I have a feeling the first rotation engine should be the most powerful, etc., but they all look the same size.
The amount of polishing and iteration required to get something to work this well will probably come at a higher cost and time. But you will learn a lot :)
@@justtestingonce if we want to make something commercially usable, the closed loop motors are the way to go, although heavy, are too cheap nowadays on aliexpress and the holding torque they provide is still unmatched.
Tanner Beard that’s not true, handle the software side well and stepper motors will give you 0.1mm accuracy, this arm has 2mm accuracy for all the work they did on the motor and gearing
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Can you control it with an android studio app?
@Glyn The AR3 is nice and I see that he has now closed the loops *but* I need to study more. Are these still stepper motors? Is torque limiting possible? This is a very important feature of industrial robots to avoid costly damage.
What language is used to program the robot arm
What was the total cost for the full setup?
I want to buy one
Thank you sir I enjoy your videos very much I'm 64 years of age I have traumatic brain injury and I'm retired it is easy for me to understand you I'd like to say thank you very much
Thanks!
I can see in your eyes it was the best gift that you received for christmas jaja, I guess this robot need a name for the next videos :)
Yes! Exactly! :)
@@Skyentific you just shine with happiness in this video, thank you for the interesting material. P S Do you plan to organize information on the various available electric drives in some form (table of comparative characteristics or something like that)?
Love seeing the passion in you!
Robot: [ super silent operation ]
Movie Director: "Remind me to tell the sound designer to put some dentist whirr sounds over that."
Так это же тот самый английский, который понятен всем русским!
Yes, indeed! :)
Аск! Мутко по этим роликам учился ! :)))
Он таким и был наверное изначально ) .
no hablo takataka
Нормальный английский, чем пытаться переучивать акцент. Лучше сосредоточиться на роботах)
What a great channel. Amazing guy
This got recommended to me 38 seconds after it got uploaded.
700€ not bad for this magic
cheap robot arm imitation was the best part of this video
I love your videos. The way you introduce stuff and explain the tech is great. Keep up the great work!
It's very beautiful, congratulations. Thank you for show us that every thing it's possible to do.
i really appreciate your videos .... i apologize for asking for too much effort from you ..... i get too excited watching your videos ...... sorry for overwhelming you
Thank you for your kind comments!
Yeah man, nobody will tell you the absolute accuracy, you will always get the the accuracy in reference a teached point, fixed in space and known by the system, called Pose repeatability, even the big industrial robot manufacturers are working like that. You will see it clearly if you do some applications with calculated positions, machine vision etc. Thanks for the video!
Wow, this looks pretty nice, and for learning robotics theory, compared to the commercial stuff, this is reasonably affordable.
Totally agree!!!
Farley Moab you cannot learn without practice. This robot could help you with this. Theory without application is boring!
Man. I already backed it but holy hell I am impressed with that.
Dealing with the backlash can be solved with some clever locator methods so that's not even a deal breaker. I can't wait to have my hands on this and am so happy I skipped out on all the stepper motor versions of desktop robots.
hey how to set this locators?
Did you ever receive yours? The project was cancelled by Kickstarter and I would like to find out if it was ever released, or what happened?
@@David-iq1kd they cancelled the whole thing and refunded everyone. Somewhat shady business issue and the whole project went under.
Just love your enthusiasm!
OMG, so effin beautiful. Doesn't make a sound and follows your every order. I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!
Making all the motor mounts identical is genius.
Great content ! I'm happy to have met you at the Maker Faire, keep going 💪
I can't wait to see your 7DoF arm with the timing belts and cables. You may actually achieve that 0.1mm precision :) Maybe not in the 3D printed version since the frame itself will flex, but the final version should be awesome.
I wrote a mail to the company. They told me that the arm will be available to buy Internationally this July! (2020)
Sebbl3 cool, maybe they will survive. This would be great!
Very nice!!
Hopefully...
Price??
Here we are in July. Did you get a link from them? Looks perfect for a project I'm doing.
It looks like the biggest difference in mechanics/drive system between these "hobby" type 5-6 DoF arms and "industrial" models is backlash. With 2mm of backlash it probably would be quite hard to use this arm for applications like welding or some precision positioning application. I think something similar but with much smaller backlash and "sane" price point would be a killer product.
Brilliant and so quiet. 👍🏻
awesome robot and set up.
Amazing content!
So where can I buy it ?
Friend, if you need, I can help you, contact me (luoxuefeng2023@gmail.com).
5:42 Vacuum pump pops out in the background
Замечательный робот,просто мечта.Большое спасибо.
I'm excited to see your finished arm
I would use a cheap laser pointer and fix it on the end of the arm and run the code several times across all axis and check if the points match previous iterations. Maybe try different paths to test the same endpoints. That should test the precision nicely.
Excellent video - thanks for the interesting info.
Thank you for your comment!
Great content. Subscribed!!
Ай лайк ёр инглиш! Ёр инглиш из вери андестандбл! ) Robot is pretty good too )
bro, you look like the dream guy "have you seen this man".
yay i got a super early bird spot and was very excited to see that you had been in contact with them when your video notification came a few minutes later! could you please also check the real world payload, movement speeds and backlash in all axis at some point?
what kind of things do you think you'll be doing with this arm?
i would really like to see more about INNFOS' humanoid robots, and maybe replicating them, but maybe also combining this with jetson nano computer vision.
I will do this in the future videos. I also plan to do some AI applications with it.
Wow, an hour later and all the super early bird spots are taken lool
Once this becomes a product, I will join the line to buy, but so many horror stories about kickstarter, that's not my path to purchasing:)
Friend, if you need, I can help you, contact me (luoxuefeng2023@gmail.com).
My new future arm! lol Wow impressive! :)
Невероятно тихо и очень плавно!!! Супер!!! Молодец )))
Прикольная штука получилась!
If the camera is on the head, you could lay a penny down and go thru the motions and return to see if the penny was in the same frame space for the amera to tell the accuracy.
when he said ezernet i felt that.
Очень нарядно. Спасибо. не ожидал такой плавности.
those planetary gears are so sexy and slim, but 2mm backlash at the end effector is rough. really cool robot though!
It looks very cool. If I had 700 euros I would buy it! I'm slowly 3D printing your 6 DOF arm!
It will be very interesting to learn language to programming and understanding mechatronic problems.
Yes! Completely agree!
"YOLO" will probably be the best new front-end "guide" with a neural network machine learned control process that we only understand how it made itself, but not much about what it made. towardsdatascience.com/yolo-you-only-look-once-real-time-object-detection-explained-492dc9230006
Is it really that silent or did you forget the sound?
It is really that silent!
@@Skyentific That must be some kind of high frequency sorcery.....
@Tukhan Yatim on kickstarter page there are pledge values, one like this one in video is $700-800, 4axis one $520+
@@elektronik1111 It's called Field oriented or vector control. You can actually buy hobby grade electronic speed controllers that utilize this control technology, and you can interface them with hobby grade brushless motors, and an encoder, to build your own highly precise actuators.
Some companies making such ESC's-
Odrive Robotics - (has everything you need including a forum for trouble shooting, questions and answers, etc)
Flipsky
Hobbywing
Maytech
Trampa Boards
This is the most exciting thing to happen to motor control, EVER.
Could you recommend Robot arm for industrial type educational purposes? It should be inexpensive and have a UI that is similar to modern industrial robots. I mean have same principle so that learned this robot it is not difficult to learn other robots.
Verry cool video! Like Swiss Precision! ;)
)) Супер бьютефул!
wow👏👏👏great work
Nice ! It looks really smooth. Now put a light bulb and cone at the end and redo the Pixar animation :)
Good to mount a camera on the robot? Moving camera shots!
Maybe it was not a good idea to use suction cups when measuring the backlash?
I agree with you
Very smooth!
I want one like this to put a camera and use it to film my workshop projects. Where to find and affordable one?
Beautiful robot! I'm very much looking forward to your attempt at building a six-axis robotic arm with brushless motors.
It is coming, I am working on it right now! :)
@@Skyentific please make it have a payload of at least 2 kgs and I will buy it. In fact it will sell like hot cakes. Thanks
I second this!can't wait to see it!👊
@@Skyentific I need the names of the sensors used
Ты прям разговариваешь как из роликов про кукумбер)) только настоящий
русский акцент :-). Крутая вещь.
Сам хотел это написать )
@@MrSanekP Я же не говорю, что российский акцент. Я говорю, что русский акцент. Он вообще может быть откуда угодно.
@@MrSanekP Швеция говорит ТОЛЬКО по Шведски. Люди которые не отличают Швецию и Швейцарию такие же идиоты как те кто не отличает Австрию от Австралии. Охуеть.
@@MrSanekP И зовут его Геннадий
@@CairosNaobumНичего страшного,во время визита в Австрию,президент Буш просил показать ему кенгуру.
Nice . I like it.
Mantap pak guru
thank you
Повезло тебе с подарками! :)
Но ты этого заслужил...
Спасибо! Как всегда интересно.
I'm not sure if the precision test was conclusive. After pressure was applied, it returned to the original position. A better test would be to move it to a position, mark the exact point the head is at, then repeat the program and measure again. I suspect it's repeatable precision would be closer to the manufacturer's claim.
Just great!!!
Good god that thing is pretty!
I think your table just degraded that beautiful work of art. Solid table and using a dial indicator would be an accurate test. I think if you didn't have it sitting on a wobbly picnic table you would get the accuracy of what they claim.
Also, what he tested was more of the compliance than the "accuracy" of the robot. Repeatability error is a more meaningful measure.
do you think is possible to mount a camera for highspeed shots?
I wonder why the Kickstarter campaign got suspended, care to elaborate?
They got problems with investors. I don’t have all the details. But soon I will review another very similar robot arm from Amber robotics.
@@Skyentific Thank you very much for your reply. That's a shame, although the 2mm play at the end of the arm is a lot, anyway, locking forward to your next video. Keep up the good work :-)
Игрушки взрослых дядей :) Класс!
I'm seeing huge market potential for this in a hand job application.
Классное видео и классный робот! Спасибо!
Можно ли вручную задавать траектории движения? Типа записать траекторию? Какие контроллеры?
Could you do the grocery weight lift test for torque?
It says payload capacity is 500grms
@@higginpv5715 "it says" is not always the same as "it does," hence the testing
I like your video with such detail of explanation about the robotic arm. Nevertheless, the Chinese company seems to don't have any intention to sell Gluon to the public.
Hello, friend.Do you need to buHello, friend.Do you need to buy a robotic arm? I can help you. Please contact me (email: luoxuefeng2023@gmail.com).
It's so cute, like a mini CANADA ARM. Now i want to get one to berth my Model Dragon Capsule to My model ISS. now i have some models to make...
Hello, friend.Do you need to buy a robotic arm? I can help you. Please contact me (email: luoxuefeng2023@gmail.com).
very goooooood
What causes backlash, what would be the method to reduce backlash in a robot like this?
What are the parameters / costs towards increasing payload ??
- is there a overview video that goes into the acturators and drives that dectate robot arm performance??
I have a question! how can control the brushless motor? I see you can use odrive but I was thinking about the cheeta actuator, if them controller is more cheap. Or maybe exist a module can bus controller more cheap for brushless motor
Hi..Interesting....What is the power supply (Voltage and Current Rating)...That you are using here
at 5:42 the suction pump loses suction.... is that it???
The suction cup loses suction. My table has some texture, it is not very smooth. So the suction cup does not work perfectly.
I tried to buy this item and to my surprise the site has disappeared. What happened?
I don’t know full story. It is still a mystery. But what I know: their main investors decided to get back their investments and to close the company. All the kickstarter money was refunded to the backers.
@@Skyentific You are one of the lucky few.
Very cool! And under $1000 bucks? Thats pretty amazing.
The modular design is nice, but one of the things I like about your hobby robots is, that the motor size is different per axis. It seems you can get better control and better lifting capacity that way. Do you think the same motor size for each axis is still okay for INFOS GLUON?
Out of curiosity - Does it come with some sort hands to grab stuff? So we can have it help around the warehouse.
Unfortunately not. But it is flexible enough to add any custom end effector.
Does anybody know if the servos and the controller are available for purchase separately from anywhere?
I just saw that the servos are also items in the kickstarter campaign...
Yes. I think they will be available separately in June or so.
Cok guzel calisma benim sormak istedigim motorlari nereden alabilirim ve motorlarda geri bildirim marmi
Great review! Is there a teach function?
Nice!
Vacuum release at 5:42
Where could I buy this robot (Gluon 6-Axis)?
Friend, if you need, I can help you, contact me (luoxuefeng2023@gmail.com).
Thanks for the video - Do you know if they provide URDF for this robot? I am not able to find it. I'd be interested to adapt it for use with ROS / MoveIt.
Hi,
The arm get cancelled by Kickstarter. Do you know why? I have fortunately canceled my pledge before the campaign has ended.
Apparently they have some problems. I don’t know much. But I hope it will be clear soon.
I think (because the funding was located in China) it was because of CoViD-19
@@lynspyre It wasn't Covid. There was a problem with at least one investor who confiscated assets.
the axes seems to be not synchronised. do you have any information about how to do synchronised movement?
Can it run cartesian movements, like LIN or CIRC?
Would be interesting to add some absolute distance encoders or DROs to address that backlash via feedback
Its good I want it, however Im wonder.. What is practical use of these device at home?
Anything you want ;)
Is it possible to read out the current torque on the actuators? Also is there a buildin torque control loop (to simulate spring like behaviour)
Will you disassemble it a bit and see how it's made?
I have a feeling the first rotation engine should be the most powerful, etc., but they all look the same size.
They all the same.
How is the idea of using closed loop stepper motors(really cheap on aliexpress) to make a robot arm?
Tanishq fine, no problem but they heavy and he has a tutorial where he built a six axis robot using steppers.
The amount of polishing and iteration required to get something to work this well will probably come at a higher cost and time. But you will learn a lot :)
@@justtestingonce if we want to make something commercially usable, the closed loop motors are the way to go, although heavy, are too cheap nowadays on aliexpress and the holding torque they provide is still unmatched.
Tanner Beard that’s not true, handle the software side well and stepper motors will give you 0.1mm accuracy, this arm has 2mm accuracy for all the work they did on the motor and gearing
Very impressive robot, can you check the repeatability?