How to test a phone battery - The proper way

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Комментарии • 71

  • @dddvvvzzz2012
    @dddvvvzzz2012 Год назад +9

    Sorin, your charger has an option for Li-ion 3.8v (i think it's an 8) that should charge the battery to 4.35v. 10:00

  • @dickr5151
    @dickr5151 Год назад +8

    Sorin your testing method is 100% correct. M. Dimitris and Roman Vasiliev are also correct. The normal discharge rate for a cell phone in talk mode is probably around 75 milliamps, however the standby mode of phones is probably around 10 milliamps. I think the discharge TEST RATE should be lowered to 100 milliamps but this is probaly not practical as the test would take days. However discharging the fully charged battery at 100 milliamps would probably prove that the manufacturers rating is correct.

  • @romanvasiliev360
    @romanvasiliev360 Год назад +17

    When I played with cells capacity testing - I noticed: the higher discharge amps are applied, the less is the capacity. Your typical phone would never suck 0.5Amps all the time (or its uptime would be limited by 6 hours). It drains less current. So, what capacity will you get, if you lower discharge amps to 0.2 Amps? 0.1 Amps? And manufacturer is not lying - they simply measure the capacity with different discharge amps.

    • @leerzeichen1910
      @leerzeichen1910 Год назад +1

      Cred si eu ca e adevarat ce zici. Acum mai ramane intrebarea: ce capacitate are bateria daca o descarcam cu 200mah? Cred ca 200 ar fi o cifra care reprezinta realitatea; 100 ar fi mult prea putin

    • @user735_
      @user735_ Год назад +2

      You're very right. The manufacturer of the battery provides the 'standard discharge current' in the datasheet and that should be used for testing. I'm sure is far less than 500 mA.

    • @will_doherty
      @will_doherty Год назад +1

      Exactly this - you'd have thought Sorin would know something this basic. Even car batteries are quoted at the "20 hr" rate - which indicates the discharge rate used for comparison purposes from battery to battery.

    • @akapal
      @akapal Год назад +1

      and one more thing, at what voltage the test ends? the iphone dies around 3.5, you need to double check that and stop the test at that voltage, also the bms is not perfect and lose some mha too...manufacturer say battery capacity without anything after the cell i suppose..

    • @akapal
      @akapal Год назад

      thats how easily you can lose 200 mah from the bms, the discharge rate and the voltage cutoff of the test

  • @andrewmorton9683
    @andrewmorton9683 Год назад +9

    Is 500 mA a realistic discharge rate? More energy can be extracted from a battery at a lower discharge rate, so perhaps even reputable manufacturers use a lower rate, such as 200 mA, when they test the battery capacity.

  • @linasba2186
    @linasba2186 Год назад +2

    Samsung does not hidding that, this is my battery info:
    Battery capacity
    4500 mAh (typical)
    The typical capacity has been tested under third-party laboratory conditions. The typical capacity is the estimated average considering the deviation in battery capacity among the battery samples tested under the IEC 61960 standard. The rated (minimum) capacity is 4370 mAh. Actual battery life may vary depending on network environment, usage patterns, and other factors.

  • @Backcountry_Bodger
    @Backcountry_Bodger Год назад +1

    Hey Sorin, with a new battery it can take a few charge/discharge cycles before the full capacity becomes available, try it a few times

  • @georgekaramolegos
    @georgekaramolegos Год назад +4

    Another great video

  • @zlane71
    @zlane71 Год назад +3

    Thank you very much for this informative video. You shared more than I asked you. You are a great person.

  • @scroopynooperz9051
    @scroopynooperz9051 Год назад +1

    Sorin is the real deal. Thanks for the upload mate

  • @mdimitris6804
    @mdimitris6804 Год назад +2

    Hello. I think you should check the discharge rate. When I do a capacity test on a battery, I calculate the battery current / 12 hours. I set the discharge rate to 12 hours. The best way is to get discharge rate information from the manufacturer if possible.
    Either way, the mobile phone battery is destined to be discharged in 24 hours. Normally, for me, the test should be done with a discharge rate in 12 or even better 24 hours.

  • @edipavic8863
    @edipavic8863 Год назад

    Hi Sir Sorin, I like your way of testing battery capacity. I use the antutu app which has a capacity measurement in a way that you turn on the application and connect the charger and when the mobile phone is fully charged, after that you use the mobile phone. After charging and discharging the device a few times, the application shows the actual capacity. I bought a "new" battery from a local dealer that was worse than the original one in my device. That new battery was at 46% capacity, and the old one at 65%

  • @khalilkh7389
    @khalilkh7389 18 дней назад

    Very Nice test toturial realistisk way of test
    This is the only way to test phone battery 👍

  • @MrRvdbeek
    @MrRvdbeek Год назад +2

    Sorin Nice tools to compare
    I did ask Apple. Answer is 8 to 10% marching because the can’t make it exactly the same always. The batch can be a little different than a new batch and they always printing the best capacity batch on the battery. So it’s normal also Samsung and more brands do it.

  • @Swenser
    @Swenser Год назад +1

    I watched a car battery test video explaining what the actual Ah number means. In short, to get that capacity you need to step down the current output over several discharge cycles.

  • @diytechspirit914
    @diytechspirit914 Год назад +4

    I think the charger is EBL TC-X PRO

  • @Pirelli.
    @Pirelli. Год назад

    Very good test method. I learn more and more from your videos!

  • @jamich1
    @jamich1 Год назад +2

    Hi Sorin, you need to cycle new battery before you test it. If you take brand new battery it may show you lower capacity but after few charges it will go ti its full capacity.

  • @corel965
    @corel965 Год назад +1

    Thank you Sorin great explain !!! As always !

  • @mariusnr
    @mariusnr Год назад +1

    Li-ion/LiPo batteries have different internal resistance when full than when empty. Then, I concurr with other comenters that lower, 150-300mA discharge current should be used, but between 150mA and 500mA you will not (should not) get more than 10-15% capacity skew (for a good battery).

  • @marcellipovsky8222
    @marcellipovsky8222 Год назад +2

    Aren't iPhone batteries charged only up to certain level by design to prolong their life?

  • @NicksStuff
    @NicksStuff 3 месяца назад +1

    What you did wrong: the discharge current. The spec is probably lower than 500 mA as the idle current (screen off) of a phone is much lower.

  • @wevulovicent6468
    @wevulovicent6468 Год назад

    Your explanation is wonderful

  • @SWARKA1
    @SWARKA1 Год назад +2

    Very helpful lesson Surin. I have a phone OUKITEL WP19 capacity of 21000MAH
    What remains is to turn it into a car starter booster.😀😀😀😀😀
    The question: Do app such as BATTERY HEALTH correctly reflect the capacity of the battery?

  • @erbaelektronix25
    @erbaelektronix25 Год назад +1

    Danyk has already a battery tester with an adjustable voltage and current. Search for heas channel on RUclips : diode gone wild

  • @PORepair
    @PORepair Год назад

    i using EBD-A20H Battery Tester for 2-3 years, very good, and software allow to connect couple of them

  • @orion310591RS
    @orion310591RS Год назад +2

    I think 500mA discharge is too much/unreal. I remember when I had brand new Iphone 11, I had 6hrs long regular call + video recording + video calls and in 12hrs total, I manage to spend only 50% battery. This device is measuring capacity, ok, what about transfer losses? I would like to see result from some reasonable discharge, like 250mA or even 100mA.

    • @fendysuryanto
      @fendysuryanto Год назад

      Agree realistically it should be 250-300 mA at continous discharge, although sometime the phone itself can squeeze as much 500mA or more when the tempererature sensor doesn't reach certain level and thermal throttling start to kicking. So 500mA is still fair enough to test the worst case scenario..

  • @icommandoi145
    @icommandoi145 Год назад +1

    Hi Sorin, I use a iMAX B6 V2 Charger from SkyRC. It's a great multi purpose charger and has a socket for balance charging which you might find quite useful if you're looking for a replacement.

    • @dma_k
      @dma_k Год назад

      As far as I know it does not support 4.4V LiIon.

  • @kishorkapile
    @kishorkapile Год назад +1

    Nice explanation thanx

  • @irepairitall
    @irepairitall Год назад

    This battery activation board is from Mechanic...

  • @bull.dog.
    @bull.dog. Год назад

    Nice haircut! Looking good, doc!

  • @mattmill30
    @mattmill30 Год назад

    Hi Sorin, do you still plan to make a follow-up video of the new battery tester? If so, could you also discuss what BMS technology is within cell phone batteries? e.g. is it possible to test/re-program cell phone batteries with the NLBA analyser?

  • @dennisharvey4499
    @dennisharvey4499 Год назад +2

    Battery capacity is normally specified at C/10 or C/20 rate, so a 3000mAh battery should only give you 3000mAh if you discharge at a constant 150mA, if C/20.

  • @space_cowboy007
    @space_cowboy007 Год назад +1

    How would you hook removeable batteries with pads instead of plugs to the battery tester?

  • @Mephysto65
    @Mephysto65 11 месяцев назад

    Great video! So you blown two mosfets on the board, take them off and soldered black and red wires. But where you soldered them?

    • @Mephysto65
      @Mephysto65 11 месяцев назад

      Ok I solved myself, but the way you connected red and black wires on the board is opposite in my board (I have the same model tough).

  • @jayk2k
    @jayk2k Год назад +1

    Sorin, what is Diana's channel ?
    I love your channel but I might be falling in love with the wrong person : p

  • @daz41262010
    @daz41262010 Год назад

    great info Sorin :)

  •  Год назад

    The internal resistance can get you the general health of a (Lithium) battery, if ... if you know the values and tolerances of a healthy and a bad one. The power wall communities have their own 18650 databases, but i know not of one database for battery pouches, because their size is not standardized.
    And the internal resistance values on the manufacturers datasheet is probably the least wrong one. ;)

  • @4Relax
    @4Relax Год назад

    I'm pretty sure there is a capacity battery tolerance like there is a hard drive capacity of 1TB but you only can use 950 Gb. Battery health system is not precise you can test for yourself, use a your battery with for example 88% health and plag new battery and after this replug old battery and very often battery doesn't show anymore 88% instead it show 91%. How this is possible i can't explain, so that teach me to don't look battery healt. Battery can be 100% health and be very bad causing restarts/crashing. For me does battery takes 4 hours or 4 hours 25 minutes it is notimportant at all.

  • @AkosLukacs42
    @AkosLukacs42 Год назад

    Hehe, funny comments about the discharge rate. Yeah, maybe ppl are not wrong about to follow the manufacturer's spec, if it's available. But discharging a 3000mAh battery at 500mA means a 1/6C discharge rate. That's pretty low for a lithium battery. Maybe even less than what you would pull during a gaming. More than standby use, but still not impossibly high.
    Lead acid batteries are usually rated at 10h or maybe 20h discharge, yes but those batteries have a completely different chemistry...

  • @justinc8157
    @justinc8157 Год назад

    But what voltage is the battery designed to be charged to? The batteries always tells what voltage the capacity rating is for. For example samsung batteries usually list capacity when charged to 4.4v If I only charge the battery to 4.2 like most chargers do, I get 3300mah out a 4000mah battery. If i use my bench power supply to charge to the full 4.4 I'll get the extra capacity.

  • @macoxygene
    @macoxygene Год назад

    In the battery of iPhone 11 there are 2 connectors, because there is effectively 2 battery connected to the BMS, maybe it's because only one connector was plugged that you have a wrong reading.

  • @richardtunstall8433
    @richardtunstall8433 Год назад

    My only exposure to lipo battery folk lore has been in the toy aero field. When they first came out it was said that capacity increased over the first few charges and that battery life was increased by limiting the charge voltage to 4.1v. 4.4v was a definite no-no! How times change!

    • @fendysuryanto
      @fendysuryanto Год назад

      That's why you need a new phone, my old phone from 2018 is fully charge at 4.35V, 4,4V is genuinely normal this day.

    • @Hereford1642
      @Hereford1642 Год назад

      Sorin says in this video that the iphone battery pack also contains a battery management chip and I think it is that chip which requires that the pack is fed with a slightly higher voltage than you would expect for a simple cell.

    • @fendysuryanto
      @fendysuryanto Год назад

      @@Hereford1642 IMO that because new material for the electrode that enable higher fully charge voltage, basically with different material it has better volumetric or gravimetric energy density therefore it needs higher voltage to enable squeeze even more energy. Obviously when you need higher voltage then you also need different Battery Management IC..

  • @devorahm9296
    @devorahm9296 7 месяцев назад

    what charger / analyze / tester is that? do you have a link to it by any chance??

  • @071Rishi
    @071Rishi Год назад

    great video

  • @khalilkh7389
    @khalilkh7389 17 дней назад

    Wich battery tester board is this?

  • @bullshooters6714
    @bullshooters6714 Год назад

    isdt charger can change to 4.4v and discharge rate

  • @ThermalWorld_
    @ThermalWorld_ Год назад

    Inside that battery charger i think you have a hidden switch to sett it to charge 4.4v
    My opus BT-C3100 have one..

  • @mindru1
    @mindru1 Год назад

    In our city there is no battery for Samsung Galaxy S10
    Can I take a new battery from another model (S21 or A53) and solder the controller from the S10 battery?
    Someone did it?
    What donor did you take?
    Salutare din Chisinau

  • @19mati67
    @19mati67 Год назад

    Do you think, that I could test a bigger lithium battery(motorcycle size) this way, something like 24Ah?

    • @miftosaurus
      @miftosaurus Год назад

      stricto sensu, you can, but results will be unrelevant! :)

  • @geoffgeoff143
    @geoffgeoff143 Год назад

    Check out Big Clive for battery testing

  • @Onkel.Moetrik
    @Onkel.Moetrik Год назад +7

    Manufactures are not lying, it is your discharge pattern that isn't realistic. NO phone battery last only three hours, that is not an average, realistic use. Never do a liniar high current discharge. The phone battery was NOT build for that use. Your way doesn't give the cells any chance to recover. So make a realistic discharge pattern that is within the manufacturers timeline. Your conclusion is faulty...

    • @BreathYouTake
      @BreathYouTake Год назад

      yeah when u play pbg without stop how do you think how much current is drawimg from battery :D lithium battery is lithium battery, doesnot make sense if u will use in any shape

  • @ciprianpeica85
    @ciprianpeica85 Год назад

    The tool that you are using is probably not properly calibrated Sorin 😛😛

  • @m.anejante1687
    @m.anejante1687 Год назад

    way too much blabber

  • @DarkZoneV
    @DarkZoneV Год назад +1

    Look for ZKE