here’s a guy who is not only passionate about what he does, he’s daring and talented. it isn’t easy to try something new and going all in! also great commentary skills.
Stoked to see some PB footage. I am a 4.5-5.0 (ex collegiate tennis player) who in April decided to hang up the tennis racquet at 38yo due to numerous injuries (wrist, shoulder, and knee surgeries). I have really enjoyed PB for similar reasons you listed. Excited to watch you do some amazing stuff in PB. One suggestion, watching your first match and new entry into PB, come up to the net as much as you can. You can see the #1 seed came up almost every point. This is the first thing I learned when I transitioned to PB.... along with 100 other new things that "doesnt come naturally" to high level tennis players LOL.
I really appreciate your comment! Yessss man, as sad as it is, time gets the best of us sooner in tennis than some other sports 🥲 and for sure, I started trying to play more net since I knew that's how you're supposed to play so I guess that was part of my first match nerves 😅 but you're right it's definitely not natural for me to return and charge in every point as a tennis player, feels sooo risky and I'm not perfectly confident about net skills quite yet 😬 but working on it! Thank you!!
this is what makes me really dislike PB compared to tennis tbh. i understand the injuries aspect of it, its an easier sport to play, however the game of PB feels so figured out. not a lot of room for personality. i love tennis for how much mind game there is, and how much strategy approach there is
im glad youre finding enjoyment in pickleball. I was a 5.0 tennis player in my day but my knees could no longer keep up. Pickleball gave me a new found enjoyment and competitive atmosphere. Try playing more doubles! The skill gap and nuances are extremely different and you may enjoy that! Also, once you get to 4.5+ levels, everyone has college tennis experience, so your tennis experience may no longer be much of an advantage! Goodluck on the journey!
Yesss, I've also had my fair share of knee issues and just the physicality of tennis makes it hard to keep playing all the time and exactly as you say about the competitive atmosphere! I am trying more doubles! It's fun! But definitely not as intuitive when I first tried 😂 I think the tennis advantage is good with picking things up quicker than someone with no athletic background and having some idea of shots already but there are many different shots you don't hit in tennis so I am trying to learn those pickleball specific shots! Thank you!! 🙏
It's cool to see other tennis players try to see how their skills transfer over to pickleball. I'm a tennis instructor at Lifetime Fitness and I started doing some work in the pickleball program and now I'm actually looking at playing competitively because I don't have the time commitment to play tennis at that level currently. I'm playing my first tournament at this exact spot next weekend. Would be dope to run into you there!
Used to have bad plantar. I used to tape several loops (2-3 times) around the foot where the arch is. This keeps that fascia band tight and prevents it from moving. Use something like 3M Nexcare Athletic Cloth tape. Experiment on how tight. It should be tight enough to make the arch firm, but not too tight that your foot is turning blue. Make 2-3 complete circles before cutting. Then, after each tennis session, make sure to ice your heel. Also, replace your insert with a Superfeet Green or Powerstep Pinnacle. Always use shoes with arch support, even at home. Don't go barefoot or use flip-flops. I did these for about 6 months. Good luck.
I am currently a 4.7 ish tennis player. My best form was 5.0. this is my second month of playing pickleball. Loving this sport and community. Definitely you need to learn the dinking. This is what I started doing.
@@akhrormuminov7180 that is so funny YES it's not even a week literally one session of pickleball and it I pick up a racquet I'm like why is the weight so far from my hand 😂
I am a tennis diehard fan/player, but am so so glad that pickleball exists. I've played a few times, found it fun, and at some point I will probably pursue it like I do tennis. I hope any feud between the two sports dies quickly, there's room for everyone (assuming not every tennis court in my town gets converted lol)
ground strokes are solid but you need to rush the net much more than you would with tennis. If you won't then the other player will. And net game at pickleball is much easier than tennis since its hard to pass them at the net or lob over them.
Yesss, that is something I definitely noticed and a lot of people have been telling me about pickleball singles so I have been trying to practice getting into that mindset because during this tournament I wasn't super confident about that or felt like my volleys were very good in pickleball 😬
Same experience with Table Tennis moving to Pickleball. The technique is so different with a rubber on the racket that a lot of my shots on Pickleball goes to the net. So now, I'm playing more Sandpaper pingpong, just so I can adjust my shots for Pickleball.
Thomas! I thought I recognized you but didn't remember from where. We played in the los cab tourney yesterday! Didn't realize I already follow your tennis channel. Appreciate the great match and keep up the good work!
Christopher Lam right? Wtf hahaha that's so crazy! And yes thanks for the good match! If you have insta or something I can let you know when I upload our match! And thank you for the encouragement, will keep trying to improve! 🙏
This was interesting. I am also a beginner, and although I have experience in other racket sports, I am clueless as to what my pickleball skill level is :'). I feel like I'm in a similar situation as you.
1) Hit the bottom of the ball with your pickleball racket. That is because there is not much bounce and grip that you usually get from the tennis racket. Use the body to create the brush, not with your arm or wrist. 2) As the receiver, get to the kitchen line as soon as possible 3) Keep the curve low and have better angle shots to make the receiver difficult to handle at the kitchen. The ball is slow. The court is small. And your opponent is at the kitchen line. No matter how hard you hit the ball, they could bounce back to your kitchen. And you are stuck in the baseline. So lower curve and better angles will help you survive better as server.
3.7 seems about right based on just this game but I bet you’d work your way to close to 4.5 with more consistent returns and 3rds and some tactics. Also finding the right pair of shoes is huge. You may even want different shoes for doubles and singles. As you know, they require a completely different style of footwork.
Yesss I need to practice more and get more comfortable with shots in pickleball 😫 this tournament because of my newness I really wasn't trusting in my forehand, which made it hard to hit passes or even get a good set up, and just so many unforced errors 😢 and I actually didn't even consider getting different shoes for both even though you're right, the footwork is very different 😮
I'm a 5.1. Nice ground strokes. You need to be more willing to drop a ball in to the kitchen from time to time and not always go for a pass. Return deeper and move in more often. Also with this particular opponent i wouldve gone right at his body.His volley technique was terrible.
The easiest and fastest way to transition from tennis to pickleball is to open up the paddle face and that's it. Either change grip or consciously force yourself to open up that face. Tennis strings bite and lift the ball. Not so in pickleball. Almost all his unforced errors were into the net
@@TGuTennis The advantage of coming from tennis though is the ability to generate a lot of spin. Watching pros, you can see how often they loft it up but it spins in. Open up that face without forgetting to pronate it over the ball. I've experimented with a little bit of semi Western which gave decent results. I can hit it as hard as I want and it'll drop in
What's up TGu! First time seeing your content and I like it. I've been playing tennis and table tennis for a several years now and just picked up pickleball this week. It's not too bad, but having to be low most of the time puts a strain on my back (hurt myself a few years ago). Not sure if you're aware of touchtennis, but I enjoy it just as much as tennis if not more. It's much easier on the body, but you still make full tennis strokes without the weight of the ball. If only it was as popular in the states.
I can see how your top spin strokes keep ending up at the net. Pickleball paddle isn't anything like tennis or ping pong as far as the effect of spins. That was my frustration when I first got into pickleball. Also, I find pickleball is a lot more taxing on my lower body - knees, thighs and glutes!!
Funny hearing how you came from Tennis and right away you figured you could master the game of PB. Don't worry. I thought the same as I played HS, College, and USTA Tennis. I thought. How hard could this simple looking game be. Well, I found out fast. Just as you are finding out. But hang in there. Coming from a Tennis background you will be at 5.0 in no time.
Doubles is a much harder game with a lot more strategy and nuance. Pickleball is a doubles game. You need to make your swing more compact. Pickleball doesn’t use nearly as much windup. Need to make things more compact, open stance to the net. If you want a tennis brand to rep for pickleball, Diadem and Babolat have stuff. I would avoid entirely and just get something you enjoy playing with after using and hitting with other paddles you see locally at your courts. You will want an elongated paddle. 16.5 inches long.
@@TGuTennis Yeah, the best converts aren't tennis players. They are table tennis and badminton players, there are just a lot fewer of them. You can teach anyone to drop the ball. Table tennis and badminton players have hands built in that tennis players just don't have and it's harder to teach because those dumbasses try to slice the ball too goddamn much.
I know you're doing a pb series but from the videos I've watched on your channel, it would be interesting how you would fully train (on and off court) if you try your best at PB. You're probably the buffest advanced tennis player I have seen. Kinda reminds me of Nick Bare but he's a runner lifter hybrid athlete. I have experience with racket sports and lifting, but doing both and getting results are kinda hard. Getting ripped is not rocket science but having mass with definition for a racket sports athlete don't seem to mix well.
Ughhh unfortunately work and just doing other physical activities stops me from just spam playing/practicing PB every day because I think that would definitely be the best I could do right now to get better as fast as possible 😩 you mean like a gym video? 🤔 And I agree it's somewhat hard because gym is almost an every day thing and that along with whatever else I have to do, sometimes I don't have the physical or mental capacity to also go out and practice the sport 😅 and definitely overuse/fatigue injuries happen more often 😩
I already knew I was terrible at doubles in pickleball but this tournament really made that super evident so I've been practicing a lot of doubles since so will definitely have more doubles videos coming!
I know you main Yonex for tennis but you may want to reconsider your loyalty for pickleball. You can get waaaay better paddles than what Yonex provides, often at a fraction of the price. I mean charging $200 for a graphite/fiberglass face + spray-on grit in this day & age is practically criminal. Plus they have no long handle (5.5"+) options.
That's actually what I've heard, a lot of people said my paddle doesn't have much grit. I wouldn't know since I'm so new but maybe once I get good enough to where I feel like I need a better paddle 🤷♂️
@@TGuTennis Agreed. Yonex makes great tennis rackets. They make shit pickleball paddles. Companies I would look into are 6.0, Vatic, Ronbus, Diadem, CRBN, Bread and Butter. Best price to performance I've found was Vatic or Ronbus (I'm an ex-tennis player)
@@TGuTennis I broke my paddle and I've been in the market for a replacement. The paddle scene has exploded in 2024. There's a huge amount of innovation, but unfortunately this involves many novel materials with no established history of durability. The main idea in 3rd generation paddles is to have an outer layer which provides grip and cushion and a moderate amount of pop. Underneath this is another structure (sometimes a fiberglass layer) which provides intense power. With light strokes you engage the top layer, so it has controllable power for dinking, but still enough pop for a hands battle. For ground strokes off the baseline, you engage the deeper and stiffer layer for ultimate grip and power. One industrious reviewer from Vancouver (Lucas, see below) regards the new Ronbus Ripple r1.14 as verging on the beginning of a entirely new fourth generation of paddle designs. It is brand squeaky new, pricey and sold out. It is reviewed as having the crispest feedback of any paddle, but also as requiring crisp feedback, because this is the only way your hands will learn to control its awesome power in kitchen battles. If you aim to become 5.0, you will have to learn to dink from out wide from using a deep knee bend, using your legs and torso as the prime movers. The physicality at the net in advanced PB is staying low to the ground while moving sideways in quick starts and stops. I have watched just about every advanced video on RUclips. Start with Pickleburner. He stopped posting new content a while back, but his analysis on the importance of getting to the net in doubles is unsurpassed for a former tennis player. (My own background is squash.) On basic statistics, before the paddles got so hot, the service team only won the rally 25% of the time. Once everyone arrives at the kitchen in good form, the outcome is 50-50, so roughly speaking, at higher levels, the service team only gets to the net in good form about half the time. The other half involves 3rd shot drops that were sketchy, where the attempt to recover went from bad to worse. Or 5th shot drops that instantly played into a pressure dink where you arrive at the kitchen already in the side-to-side soup pot. Initially, for doubles, you need at least one good method to reliably get to the net. Ben Johns says the single most important advice for new players is "get to the net some way, somehow". You don't need more than one (or at most two) methods to get to the net. With your tennis background, 3rd shot drive, 5th drop will work great. That's half the game right there, and you can get to a good standard pretty quickly if you focus on it. Then there are two main obstacles to reaching 5.0. Defensive dinking is all about repeatability of long crosscourt dinks from strenuous body positions. You need to react early, shuffle quickly, lunge wide (and often back), squat down, freeze in position (see John Cincola), and then execute the shot mostly with legs and torso. Drill the faff out of that one. You won't learn it in match play. The other skill you need is reading when it is safe to speed up the ball, what mechanics to use, and what targets to select when you do so. Tanner is by far the best resource on this at this point in time. Watch all his stuff more than once. If you are serious about unconditioning your tennis reflexes, get an all-court paddle with a small bias toward the soft game, but plenty of pop for hands battles, good stability for mishits (these will mostly be defensive digs at mid-court), and a responsive touch that allows you to learn to control pace with touch (this will help you graduate to a power paddle later on). If the paddle world drives you insane (this is the correct emotional response) check out Luca's Pickleball Paddle Tier List UPDATE for Fall 2024 on RUclips. He's the guy in Vancouver and one of the solid paddle reviewers out there right now. Best of luck with your 5.0 mission.
Thank you!! I knowww, at this point I wasn't very confident in my net play but after this match I told myself I have to play the way that will help me become a better player, even if I lose 🥲
One of the differences I picked up here from tennis to pickleball is shortening your backswing on your drive. You’ll find it a little easier to control direction with a smaller back swing and more power from flicking the wrist as you make contact brushing up over the ball the generate top spin! Hope these tips help and best of luck
Do you think using a two-handed BH in pickleball is not as effective? Since a 2HB is quite flat, and you were making a lot of errors because of that, considering the pickleball isn't super bouncy, and the padels are just flat? ...I dunno. In tennis, you have more space, area and spin of the racquet for a 2HB, but for some reason, I think in pickleball, a one-hander might be more effective just because of proximity and since the points are super fast.
OHB actually takes longer to setup and execute correctly. It's no coincidence that's all tennis legendary returners are 2HB, and even the best OHBs badly shank their BH shots when under pressure. PB may be different, but if you watch Pros, most hit with 2HB. Even 1HB like Ben Johns often switch to 2HB during speedups.
Only saying this to be helpful - topspin seems to have much less of a role in pickleball. Also, do not think that pickleball is easy on the body if you play a lot, which people tend to do.
Definitely agree, there literally aren't strings for spin 😂 and just to clarify, I don't think it's EASY on the body, there's a lot of sudden cutting in singles, which definitely ain't great on the knees, just my opinion on comparison to high level tennis!
Why would you use two hands on a backhand in such a small space. I think if you dont have enough space for a tennis court. Padrl tennis is good. Picklebqll is bad
😂 wellll honestly it's not too hard to believe if you're going by the UTR website NTRP to UTR conversion that says 5.0 is typically from 8.0 UTR to 10.5 UTR, which is good but it's nothing incredible 🤷♂️
regarding the fasciatis, have you looked into barefoot training and research? Just wondering because it seems like you use traditional constricted footwear.
It's funny because pickleball is actually extremely difficult, especially at high level but it looks so simple while watching it. I love when people say "You could've just not hit it to him." or "I would've just slammed it in the corner." I don't think they realize the difficulty of ball placement and the finesse it takes to do that. Especially playing off of a hard ball to return...AKA your opinion isn't valid unless you've played high level pickle. As to which one is "harder" I think the only real answer would have to come from someone who's played both at the pro level. Specifically singles of course.
I believe PB is actually easier to play compare to tennis. Not a 'proof' per se, but you can train a 5.0 tennis or a 2000 table tennis for a couple of weeks and send them to a 4.0 PB tournament. They won't win, but won't look totally out of place. On the other hand, I don't think a 5.0 PB player (who never plays tennis or table tennis) will be able to even serve effectively in a 4.0 tennis tournament or receive a serve in a 1800 table tennis tournament after a few weeks of training.
@@chubun6631I can agree with that. I don’t think the skills from pb are as transferable and other sports like table tennis and tennis can come over very well. Table tennis not as much in my opinion. Personally I think table tennis is one of the most technically difficult sports that exist. At a pro level, especially in the top .1%, it’s incomparable. But in translation to pb it’s truly just hand eye coordination at the very best.
@@chubun6631An extremely hot take but in my solely personal opinion I think pro pb (top .1%) is easily on the level on tennis players. As much as they hate to admit and will most likely never.
@@LakeForestGroup Pure speculation, but I can imagine myself get a point from Ben John, but not Federer or Fan Zendong. Furthermore, reaching the top depends on the level of competition, not level of difficulty. Take for example competing in a running meet with 10000 runners. Running is not technically difficult, but running faster than 9999 other runners is an enormous task. Never say never, but we will never see some kid playing tennis or table tennis for a few years and reach professional level. For a simple reason, all pros have been trained for decades since they were kids. Unless you are a special mutation, you will have to go through the same process to get there. PB is still a long way to reach such level of competition.
for the future, maybe have the volume on the actual footage turned down. I watch vid on 2x speed and trying to listen to you talk, my ears hurt, constantly hearing the pickleball... pink pink pink pink pink pink.. just a suggestion
wow, the first match is just 2 tennis players trying pickelball in a tournament. I rarel see so many strong shots from the back in 4.0 class. Soft shots close the net is the way
@victorwallec2534 you know what's incredible actually though? I come from tennis but Eduardo (the guy I'm playing against) is an 18 year old who never played tennis! 😮
Well. He says pickleball singles isn’t as grueling as tennis singles. Well, a recent study just stated that pickleball singles is most strenuous racquet sport. Rated harder than tennis singles.
Maybe on average, because on average people aren't able to play tennis at a high level, and low level tennis isn't as strenuous since points end way too fast, but high level tennis is definitely more physically taxing
@@TGuTennis Ok. I need to clarify the study. It measured competitive play, not recreational. They found, when examining equal level of tournament play, pickleball more physically taxing that tennis. So your statement "definitely more" was just found this summer to be false. And I agree, having played both tennis and pickleball tournaments.
@DaShap just as you said you've played both, I can say the same so that's really a null point. If you take a look at Ben Johns, Fed, or Tyson playing singles, and then look at Djokovic, Alcaraz, or Sinner playing singles, if you picture yourself doing what they do, which one seems more strenuous? Another point for the difficult of tennis vs pickleball, why is it that pro tennis players who can no longer have success in singles tennis, then after retiring, go play singles pickleball? If singles pickleball was more strenuous, would they decide to go play pro pickleball knowing that? If pickleball singles was more strenuous, how are there multiple 40 year olds in the top 40? I'd say common sense prevails over this study, which just seems like it could be littered with flaws. Also are you referring to the viral Forbes "study?" Because everyone keeps talking about that one recently but if you actually read the article it's not a study, it's just the author of the article giving his personal trackings, while "competing" at a USTA 3.5 tennis level, which in the tennis world, is low level and would not be used to describe competitive. Is that to say pickleball singles isn't strenuous? No, but it's a far cry to call it moreso than singles in tennis.
@@TGuTennis the only thing I will say is tennis players aren’t “retiring “ then doing pickleball at pro level. Only the tennis players that realize they aren’t headed for glory, like Sock and a couple others…that’s who converts.
@@DaShapyou're starting to show that you really have nothing to say but just want to be right about something. Alright man, sure, Jack Sock, John Isner, Sam Querrey, Donald Young, those guys didn't retire from pro tennis and then go on to play pro pickleball 🤷♂️
0:34 if you play badminton, you will repeat the same thing repeatedly for the whole match. its more difficult to chase for the ball because the shuttlecock cannot be contacted the ground. your main mistake was ( you was returning the ball to the middle court, where your opponent was waiting, thats why you fall like an old man, and look at 0:27 after you returned the ball you never go back to the middle court asap but you were waiting at the same place =.=" ) . Just hit the six point in the court , front left/right , middle court left/right and back court left/right, problem solved. Im intermediate badminton player/ ex state player, pickleball to me is piece of cake to us actually, because ball is slow + bouncing the floor make it slower. Using badminton footwork, its kinda boring because too easy to win.
I fell because I was being dumb and wore shoes with little to no grip 😂 and that was an interesting comment and lesson about badminton but I think you have a poor analysis of the movement that you pointed out in the video, and from the things you said, it doesn't seem like you have a very complete understanding of pickleball/tennis groundstrokes and movement through groundstrokes 🤷♂️
i dont think someone matched at your same level makes it boring because you will not be winning easy, pickleball singles is lots of running and aggressive lunges
here’s a guy who is not only passionate about what he does, he’s daring and talented. it isn’t easy to try something new and going all in! also great commentary skills.
It's pickleball, calm down. A dog could play it.
Stoked to see some PB footage. I am a 4.5-5.0 (ex collegiate tennis player) who in April decided to hang up the tennis racquet at 38yo due to numerous injuries (wrist, shoulder, and knee surgeries). I have really enjoyed PB for similar reasons you listed. Excited to watch you do some amazing stuff in PB. One suggestion, watching your first match and new entry into PB, come up to the net as much as you can. You can see the #1 seed came up almost every point. This is the first thing I learned when I transitioned to PB.... along with 100 other new things that "doesnt come naturally" to high level tennis players LOL.
I really appreciate your comment! Yessss man, as sad as it is, time gets the best of us sooner in tennis than some other sports 🥲 and for sure, I started trying to play more net since I knew that's how you're supposed to play so I guess that was part of my first match nerves 😅 but you're right it's definitely not natural for me to return and charge in every point as a tennis player, feels sooo risky and I'm not perfectly confident about net skills quite yet 😬 but working on it! Thank you!!
If everyone always follows the same strategy (coming up as soon as possible), then it becomes predictable. Just lob it up
this is what makes me really dislike PB compared to tennis tbh. i understand the injuries aspect of it, its an easier sport to play, however the game of PB feels so figured out. not a lot of room for personality. i love tennis for how much mind game there is, and how much strategy approach there is
im glad youre finding enjoyment in pickleball. I was a 5.0 tennis player in my day but my knees could no longer keep up. Pickleball gave me a new found enjoyment and competitive atmosphere. Try playing more doubles! The skill gap and nuances are extremely different and you may enjoy that! Also, once you get to 4.5+ levels, everyone has college tennis experience, so your tennis experience may no longer be much of an advantage! Goodluck on the journey!
Knees? Pickleball? Lol
Yesss, I've also had my fair share of knee issues and just the physicality of tennis makes it hard to keep playing all the time and exactly as you say about the competitive atmosphere! I am trying more doubles! It's fun! But definitely not as intuitive when I first tried 😂 I think the tennis advantage is good with picking things up quicker than someone with no athletic background and having some idea of shots already but there are many different shots you don't hit in tennis so I am trying to learn those pickleball specific shots! Thank you!! 🙏
It's cool to see other tennis players try to see how their skills transfer over to pickleball. I'm a tennis instructor at Lifetime Fitness and I started doing some work in the pickleball program and now I'm actually looking at playing competitively because I don't have the time commitment to play tennis at that level currently. I'm playing my first tournament at this exact spot next weekend. Would be dope to run into you there!
Used to have bad plantar. I used to tape several loops (2-3 times) around the foot where the arch is. This keeps that fascia band tight and prevents it from moving. Use something like 3M Nexcare Athletic Cloth tape. Experiment on how tight. It should be tight enough to make the arch firm, but not too tight that your foot is turning blue. Make 2-3 complete circles before cutting. Then, after each tennis session, make sure to ice your heel. Also, replace your insert with a Superfeet Green or Powerstep Pinnacle. Always use shoes with arch support, even at home. Don't go barefoot or use flip-flops. I did these for about 6 months. Good luck.
Yesss I am also walking around the house not barefoot anymore 😅 thanks for the tips! 🙏
I am currently a 4.7 ish tennis player. My best form was 5.0. this is my second month of playing pickleball. Loving this sport and community. Definitely you need to learn the dinking. This is what I started doing.
I definitely agree 👍 that's what I'm working on the most now 😅
@@TGuTennis does it not feel weird when you pick up your tennis racquet after playing a week of pickleball? 😅
@@akhrormuminov7180 that is so funny YES it's not even a week literally one session of pickleball and it I pick up a racquet I'm like why is the weight so far from my hand 😂
Dinking isn't the main strategy in singles though
Thanks for being a tennis player and not just trashing pickleball. I enjoy both as well but was never an advanced tennis player. Loving pickleball 🎉
Even though they are similar they are different as well, I like to just like to think to enjoy them as separate things, no need to compare!
I am a tennis diehard fan/player, but am so so glad that pickleball exists. I've played a few times, found it fun, and at some point I will probably pursue it like I do tennis. I hope any feud between the two sports dies quickly, there's room for everyone (assuming not every tennis court in my town gets converted lol)
You have tons of talent and skills bro! Great work and love the commentary 😃
I recently started playing tennis but this looks so much more accessible, easier and friendly! gonna give it a shot, thanks for the take
ground strokes are solid but you need to rush the net much more than you would with tennis. If you won't then the other player will. And net game at pickleball is much easier than tennis since its hard to pass them at the net or lob over them.
Yesss, that is something I definitely noticed and a lot of people have been telling me about pickleball singles so I have been trying to practice getting into that mindset because during this tournament I wasn't super confident about that or felt like my volleys were very good in pickleball 😬
Same experience with Table Tennis moving to Pickleball. The technique is so different with a rubber on the racket that a lot of my shots on Pickleball goes to the net.
So now, I'm playing more Sandpaper pingpong, just so I can adjust my shots for Pickleball.
@phtabletennisvlog4473 whoa, that's actually a really interesting way to cross train 😮
I played in the same singles bracket @ elite. Very good competition that day. Keep it up!
I think you played against my boy Eli! Thanks man, you too! 🙏
@@TGuTennis I did. Eli is a beast!
Thomas! I thought I recognized you but didn't remember from where. We played in the los cab tourney yesterday! Didn't realize I already follow your tennis channel. Appreciate the great match and keep up the good work!
Christopher Lam right? Wtf hahaha that's so crazy! And yes thanks for the good match! If you have insta or something I can let you know when I upload our match! And thank you for the encouragement, will keep trying to improve! 🙏
I play with Eduardo every week at least, great player and great guy, always fun matches with him.
This was interesting. I am also a beginner, and although I have experience in other racket sports, I am clueless as to what my pickleball skill level is :').
I feel like I'm in a similar situation as you.
topspin is super different 😂that’s the first lesson I learned
1) Hit the bottom of the ball with your pickleball racket. That is because there is not much bounce and grip that you usually get from the tennis racket. Use the body to create the brush, not with your arm or wrist.
2) As the receiver, get to the kitchen line as soon as possible
3) Keep the curve low and have better angle shots to make the receiver difficult to handle at the kitchen. The ball is slow. The court is small. And your opponent is at the kitchen line. No matter how hard you hit the ball, they could bounce back to your kitchen. And you are stuck in the baseline. So lower curve and better angles will help you survive better as server.
3.7 seems about right based on just this game but I bet you’d work your way to close to 4.5 with more consistent returns and 3rds and some tactics. Also finding the right pair of shoes is huge. You may even want different shoes for doubles and singles. As you know, they require a completely different style of footwork.
Yesss I need to practice more and get more comfortable with shots in pickleball 😫 this tournament because of my newness I really wasn't trusting in my forehand, which made it hard to hit passes or even get a good set up, and just so many unforced errors 😢 and I actually didn't even consider getting different shoes for both even though you're right, the footwork is very different 😮
I'm a 5.1. Nice ground strokes. You need to be more willing to drop a ball in to the kitchen from time to time and not always go for a pass. Return deeper and move in more often. Also with this particular opponent i wouldve gone right at his body.His volley technique was terrible.
The easiest and fastest way to transition from tennis to pickleball is to open up the paddle face and that's it. Either change grip or consciously force yourself to open up that face. Tennis strings bite and lift the ball. Not so in pickleball. Almost all his unforced errors were into the net
@cstkch6909 coming from all the tennis experience it is so hard to trust in the open face allowing the ball to drop in 😩
@@TGuTennis The advantage of coming from tennis though is the ability to generate a lot of spin. Watching pros, you can see how often they loft it up but it spins in. Open up that face without forgetting to pronate it over the ball. I've experimented with a little bit of semi Western which gave decent results. I can hit it as hard as I want and it'll drop in
What's up TGu! First time seeing your content and I like it. I've been playing tennis and table tennis for a several years now and just picked up pickleball this week. It's not too bad, but having to be low most of the time puts a strain on my back (hurt myself a few years ago). Not sure if you're aware of touchtennis, but I enjoy it just as much as tennis if not more. It's much easier on the body, but you still make full tennis strokes without the weight of the ball. If only it was as popular in the states.
@@joelor7810 thank you! And I've never heard of touch tennis 😮
I can see how your top spin strokes keep ending up at the net. Pickleball paddle isn't anything like tennis or ping pong as far as the effect of spins. That was my frustration when I first got into pickleball. Also, I find pickleball is a lot more taxing on my lower body - knees, thighs and glutes!!
Funny hearing how you came from Tennis and right away you figured you could master the game of PB. Don't worry. I thought the same as I played HS, College, and USTA Tennis. I thought. How hard could this simple looking game be. Well, I found out fast. Just as you are finding out. But hang in there. Coming from a Tennis background you will be at 5.0 in no time.
Thank you for editing out all the footage between the rallies lol
Doubles is a much harder game with a lot more strategy and nuance. Pickleball is a doubles game. You need to make your swing more compact. Pickleball doesn’t use nearly as much windup. Need to make things more compact, open stance to the net. If you want a tennis brand to rep for pickleball, Diadem and Babolat have stuff. I would avoid entirely and just get something you enjoy playing with after using and hitting with other paddles you see locally at your courts. You will want an elongated paddle. 16.5 inches long.
Oh lawdy the open stance when hitting at the net is definitely one of the biggest adjustments I'm trying to make for pickle 😬
@@TGuTennis Yeah, the best converts aren't tennis players. They are table tennis and badminton players, there are just a lot fewer of them. You can teach anyone to drop the ball. Table tennis and badminton players have hands built in that tennis players just don't have and it's harder to teach because those dumbasses try to slice the ball too goddamn much.
Once you implement the net game into your pickleball game, you’ll be a beast! Great video and commentary!
I appreciate that! And yes I'll keep working on the net game, even if I lose at the beginning 😅 and thank you about the commentary!
I think pickleball can be really good if they tweak the scoring system and the court layout a bit.
I know you're doing a pb series but from the videos I've watched on your channel, it would be interesting how you would fully train (on and off court) if you try your best at PB. You're probably the buffest advanced tennis player I have seen. Kinda reminds me of Nick Bare but he's a runner lifter hybrid athlete. I have experience with racket sports and lifting, but doing both and getting results are kinda hard. Getting ripped is not rocket science but having mass with definition for a racket sports athlete don't seem to mix well.
Ughhh unfortunately work and just doing other physical activities stops me from just spam playing/practicing PB every day because I think that would definitely be the best I could do right now to get better as fast as possible 😩 you mean like a gym video? 🤔 And I agree it's somewhat hard because gym is almost an every day thing and that along with whatever else I have to do, sometimes I don't have the physical or mental capacity to also go out and practice the sport 😅 and definitely overuse/fatigue injuries happen more often 😩
dude you really need to do more defensive lobs for backcourt recovery
Yesss more pickleball! Let’s see some doubles matches :)
I already knew I was terrible at doubles in pickleball but this tournament really made that super evident so I've been practicing a lot of doubles since so will definitely have more doubles videos coming!
Great job, Thomas!! I've tried pickle ball a few times but just can't get into it. LOL
Hahaha well I'm still glad to see you here in the comments section! 🙂
i think this is probably one of the biggest cults yet.. and those milking the heck out of this, kudos to you.
He objective got the same cult score on his Fitbit for PB as for tennis.
I know you main Yonex for tennis but you may want to reconsider your loyalty for pickleball. You can get waaaay better paddles than what Yonex provides, often at a fraction of the price. I mean charging $200 for a graphite/fiberglass face + spray-on grit in this day & age is practically criminal. Plus they have no long handle (5.5"+) options.
That's actually what I've heard, a lot of people said my paddle doesn't have much grit. I wouldn't know since I'm so new but maybe once I get good enough to where I feel like I need a better paddle 🤷♂️
@@TGuTennis Yonex is trash. If you want to use Graps, go for it, but not the paddles. There is so much out there.
@@TGuTennis Agreed. Yonex makes great tennis rackets. They make shit pickleball paddles. Companies I would look into are 6.0, Vatic, Ronbus, Diadem, CRBN, Bread and Butter. Best price to performance I've found was Vatic or Ronbus (I'm an ex-tennis player)
@zmxvbj wait why do they suck? 😮 like what's the difference? Haven't tried many and too new to really make a clear distinction 😅
@@TGuTennis I broke my paddle and I've been in the market for a replacement. The paddle scene has exploded in 2024. There's a huge amount of innovation, but unfortunately this involves many novel materials with no established history of durability.
The main idea in 3rd generation paddles is to have an outer layer which provides grip and cushion and a moderate amount of pop. Underneath this is another structure (sometimes a fiberglass layer) which provides intense power. With light strokes you engage the top layer, so it has controllable power for dinking, but still enough pop for a hands battle.
For ground strokes off the baseline, you engage the deeper and stiffer layer for ultimate grip and power.
One industrious reviewer from Vancouver (Lucas, see below) regards the new Ronbus Ripple r1.14 as verging on the beginning of a entirely new fourth generation of paddle designs. It is brand squeaky new, pricey and sold out. It is reviewed as having the crispest feedback of any paddle, but also as requiring crisp feedback, because this is the only way your hands will learn to control its awesome power in kitchen battles.
If you aim to become 5.0, you will have to learn to dink from out wide from using a deep knee bend, using your legs and torso as the prime movers. The physicality at the net in advanced PB is staying low to the ground while moving sideways in quick starts and stops.
I have watched just about every advanced video on RUclips. Start with Pickleburner. He stopped posting new content a while back, but his analysis on the importance of getting to the net in doubles is unsurpassed for a former tennis player. (My own background is squash.)
On basic statistics, before the paddles got so hot, the service team only won the rally 25% of the time. Once everyone arrives at the kitchen in good form, the outcome is 50-50, so roughly speaking, at higher levels, the service team only gets to the net in good form about half the time. The other half involves 3rd shot drops that were sketchy, where the attempt to recover went from bad to worse. Or 5th shot drops that instantly played into a pressure dink where you arrive at the kitchen already in the side-to-side soup pot.
Initially, for doubles, you need at least one good method to reliably get to the net. Ben Johns says the single most important advice for new players is "get to the net some way, somehow". You don't need more than one (or at most two) methods to get to the net. With your tennis background, 3rd shot drive, 5th drop will work great. That's half the game right there, and you can get to a good standard pretty quickly if you focus on it.
Then there are two main obstacles to reaching 5.0. Defensive dinking is all about repeatability of long crosscourt dinks from strenuous body positions. You need to react early, shuffle quickly, lunge wide (and often back), squat down, freeze in position (see John Cincola), and then execute the shot mostly with legs and torso. Drill the faff out of that one. You won't learn it in match play.
The other skill you need is reading when it is safe to speed up the ball, what mechanics to use, and what targets to select when you do so. Tanner is by far the best resource on this at this point in time. Watch all his stuff more than once.
If you are serious about unconditioning your tennis reflexes, get an all-court paddle with a small bias toward the soft game, but plenty of pop for hands battles, good stability for mishits (these will mostly be defensive digs at mid-court), and a responsive touch that allows you to learn to control pace with touch (this will help you graduate to a power paddle later on).
If the paddle world drives you insane (this is the correct emotional response) check out Luca's Pickleball Paddle Tier List UPDATE for Fall 2024 on RUclips. He's the guy in Vancouver and one of the solid paddle reviewers out there right now.
Best of luck with your 5.0 mission.
Pretty good for a beginner. Should be playing 3.5.
You already play very well, just a quick tip, don't hesitate to go to the net after receiving a serve! Good job tho :)
Thank you!! I knowww, at this point I wasn't very confident in my net play but after this match I told myself I have to play the way that will help me become a better player, even if I lose 🥲
@@TGuTennis Exactly, good thinking! Keep grinding! 😁
One of the differences I picked up here from tennis to pickleball is shortening your backswing on your drive. You’ll find it a little easier to control direction with a smaller back swing and more power from flicking the wrist as you make contact brushing up over the ball the generate top spin! Hope these tips help and best of luck
Thank you! My friend that I played in this tournament with has been helping me practice with that and it has definitely made a big difference! 🙌
9 days and your almost winning at Pball. Crazy
ALMOST 😂
Pickleball is a great sport for people that are sickly or can't go to a gym.
i think the guy in White destroyed me in mens doubles as well at Lost pines Bastrop few weeks ago.
Very possible, he's been in Bastrop a lot lately it seems like!
Which indoor courts are these? I'm from Houston as well and I usually play at PACE Pickleball Club
@kururugi8221 ooo I've been to PACE once before! This is Elite pickleball club in Houston
Do you think using a two-handed BH in pickleball is not as effective? Since a 2HB is quite flat, and you were making a lot of errors because of that, considering the pickleball isn't super bouncy, and the padels are just flat? ...I dunno. In tennis, you have more space, area and spin of the racquet for a 2HB, but for some reason, I think in pickleball, a one-hander might be more effective just because of proximity and since the points are super fast.
OHB actually takes longer to setup and execute correctly. It's no coincidence that's all tennis legendary returners are 2HB, and even the best OHBs badly shank their BH shots when under pressure. PB may be different, but if you watch Pros, most hit with 2HB. Even 1HB like Ben Johns often switch to 2HB during speedups.
You NEED TO GET TO THE NET brother!!!!!!!!!
What’s his NTRP in tennis?
Is "him" Eduardo or me? I'm 5.0 and Eduardo never played tennis 😂
@@TGuTennis 👍
You look like a future pickleball pro in training/
which facility is this?
Only saying this to be helpful - topspin seems to have much less of a role in pickleball. Also, do not think that pickleball is easy on the body if you play a lot, which people tend to do.
Definitely agree, there literally aren't strings for spin 😂 and just to clarify, I don't think it's EASY on the body, there's a lot of sudden cutting in singles, which definitely ain't great on the knees, just my opinion on comparison to high level tennis!
nice facility where is this ?
Elite Pickleball Club in Houston!
U should give padel a try 👌
Oh goodness I watch some people playing at some of these pickleball/padel clubs and i can't fathom what's going on with the running outside the room 😂
@TGuTennis 😂 it took me some time to figure out what's goin on..
You blew that match
I know 😩
I think that 5.0 doubles is harder than 5.0 singles
OP what NTRP level are you ?
5.0 tennis, like -2.5 in pickle 😂
Your lob looked in.
The camera makes it hard to tell sometimes because of the visual lag but generally the calls made are fair ones!
Why would you use two hands on a backhand in such a small space.
I think if you dont have enough space for a tennis court. Padrl tennis is good. Picklebqll is bad
Love how everyone in the comments is casually a 5.0 tennis player. Yeh ok guys
😂 wellll honestly it's not too hard to believe if you're going by the UTR website NTRP to UTR conversion that says 5.0 is typically from 8.0 UTR to 10.5 UTR, which is good but it's nothing incredible 🤷♂️
regarding the fasciatis, have you looked into barefoot training and research? Just wondering because it seems like you use traditional constricted footwear.
It's funny because pickleball is actually extremely difficult, especially at high level but it looks so simple while watching it. I love when people say "You could've just not hit it to him." or "I would've just slammed it in the corner." I don't think they realize the difficulty of ball placement and the finesse it takes to do that. Especially playing off of a hard ball to return...AKA your opinion isn't valid unless you've played high level pickle. As to which one is "harder" I think the only real answer would have to come from someone who's played both at the pro level. Specifically singles of course.
"AKA your opinion isn't valid" 😂 agree though, if it were that easy wouldn't everyone just be not hitting it to them or slamming corners 😂
I believe PB is actually easier to play compare to tennis. Not a 'proof' per se, but you can train a 5.0 tennis or a 2000 table tennis for a couple of weeks and send them to a 4.0 PB tournament. They won't win, but won't look totally out of place. On the other hand, I don't think a 5.0 PB player (who never plays tennis or table tennis) will be able to even serve effectively in a 4.0 tennis tournament or receive a serve in a 1800 table tennis tournament after a few weeks of training.
@@chubun6631I can agree with that. I don’t think the skills from pb are as transferable and other sports like table tennis and tennis can come over very well. Table tennis not as much in my opinion. Personally I think table tennis is one of the most technically difficult sports that exist. At a pro level, especially in the top .1%, it’s incomparable. But in translation to pb it’s truly just hand eye coordination at the very best.
@@chubun6631An extremely hot take but in my solely personal opinion I think pro pb (top .1%) is easily on the level on tennis players. As much as they hate to admit and will most likely never.
@@LakeForestGroup Pure speculation, but I can imagine myself get a point from Ben John, but not Federer or Fan Zendong. Furthermore, reaching the top depends on the level of competition, not level of difficulty. Take for example competing in a running meet with 10000 runners. Running is not technically difficult, but running faster than 9999 other runners is an enormous task. Never say never, but we will never see some kid playing tennis or table tennis for a few years and reach professional level. For a simple reason, all pros have been trained for decades since they were kids. Unless you are a special mutation, you will have to go through the same process to get there. PB is still a long way to reach such level of competition.
They used tennis-style play, not pickleball.
If you're talking about the orange shirt (me), that would make sense if you listen to the commentary 😂
I love pickleball, but if you're a good tennis player, the transition is like 90% there vs someone with no racquet sport experience.
for the future, maybe have the volume on the actual footage turned down. I watch vid on 2x speed and trying to listen to you talk, my ears hurt, constantly hearing the pickleball... pink pink pink pink pink pink.. just a suggestion
Pickleball is more fun than tennis tbh
Dude u need to be at the net more not baseline play like medvedev. Its like serve n volly RF style 😊
you need to get the net thats the only reason he won
Stop hitting it directly back to him.
@@ag7015 if only he made it that easy for me 😩
wow, the first match is just 2 tennis players trying pickelball in a tournament. I rarel see so many strong shots from the back in 4.0 class. Soft shots close the net is the way
@victorwallec2534 you know what's incredible actually though? I come from tennis but Eduardo (the guy I'm playing against) is an 18 year old who never played tennis! 😮
Well. He says pickleball singles isn’t as grueling as tennis singles. Well, a recent study just stated that pickleball singles is most strenuous racquet sport. Rated harder than tennis singles.
Maybe on average, because on average people aren't able to play tennis at a high level, and low level tennis isn't as strenuous since points end way too fast, but high level tennis is definitely more physically taxing
@@TGuTennis Ok. I need to clarify the study. It measured competitive play, not recreational. They found, when examining equal level of tournament play, pickleball more physically taxing that tennis. So your statement "definitely more" was just found this summer to be false. And I agree, having played both tennis and pickleball tournaments.
@DaShap just as you said you've played both, I can say the same so that's really a null point. If you take a look at Ben Johns, Fed, or Tyson playing singles, and then look at Djokovic, Alcaraz, or Sinner playing singles, if you picture yourself doing what they do, which one seems more strenuous? Another point for the difficult of tennis vs pickleball, why is it that pro tennis players who can no longer have success in singles tennis, then after retiring, go play singles pickleball? If singles pickleball was more strenuous, would they decide to go play pro pickleball knowing that? If pickleball singles was more strenuous, how are there multiple 40 year olds in the top 40? I'd say common sense prevails over this study, which just seems like it could be littered with flaws. Also are you referring to the viral Forbes "study?" Because everyone keeps talking about that one recently but if you actually read the article it's not a study, it's just the author of the article giving his personal trackings, while "competing" at a USTA 3.5 tennis level, which in the tennis world, is low level and would not be used to describe competitive.
Is that to say pickleball singles isn't strenuous? No, but it's a far cry to call it moreso than singles in tennis.
@@TGuTennis the only thing I will say is tennis players aren’t “retiring “ then doing pickleball at pro level. Only the tennis players that realize they aren’t headed for glory, like Sock and a couple others…that’s who converts.
@@DaShapyou're starting to show that you really have nothing to say but just want to be right about something. Alright man, sure, Jack Sock, John Isner, Sam Querrey, Donald Young, those guys didn't retire from pro tennis and then go on to play pro pickleball 🤷♂️
Pickleball... awful, great channel, weird ''sport''
0:34 if you play badminton, you will repeat the same thing repeatedly for the whole match. its more difficult to chase for the ball because the shuttlecock cannot be contacted the ground. your main mistake was ( you was returning the ball to the middle court, where your opponent was waiting, thats why you fall like an old man, and look at 0:27 after you returned the ball you never go back to the middle court asap but you were waiting at the same place =.=" ) . Just hit the six point in the court , front left/right , middle court left/right and back court left/right, problem solved. Im intermediate badminton player/ ex state player, pickleball to me is piece of cake to us actually, because ball is slow + bouncing the floor make it slower. Using badminton footwork, its kinda boring because too easy to win.
I fell because I was being dumb and wore shoes with little to no grip 😂 and that was an interesting comment and lesson about badminton but I think you have a poor analysis of the movement that you pointed out in the video, and from the things you said, it doesn't seem like you have a very complete understanding of pickleball/tennis groundstrokes and movement through groundstrokes 🤷♂️
i dont think someone matched at your same level makes it boring because you will not be winning easy, pickleball singles is lots of running and aggressive lunges
This sport is such a joke lol
nice game!!
Thank you! 日本でピックルボールは流行っていますか？🤔
@@TGuTennis 最近、めちゃくちゃ流行ってますよ！！今年12月は東京有明で国際大会ありますよ！是非参戦をお待ちしてます〜！
えぇーそうなんですか！今年11月日本への旅行の予定があるんですが、日本でピックルボールできるかなーと思っていました！😅
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