It's amazing how much we don't know; I just discovered this a week ago.. I thought, 'There has to be some kind of scam'.. I need to start learning again! Hehe..
Thank you! I have seen many diagrams and videos on ram pumps, but was unable to grasp the physics of how they worked until a friend shared me this video!
This animation and "explanation" fails to explain the most important part of this entire mechanism, i.e.: how the waste valve works. It also fails to explain the function of the chamber to the right (upstream) of the pressure chamber.
@@robertbrandywine the author of this animation has used drawings from another source, the chamber to which you refer was used in another explanation to house the waste valve. This person has merely retained the shape of the original pump and placed his waste valve closer to the delivery valve (in my opinion, a less efficient location). The system will work with the waste valve placed either before or after the delivery valve. In my system , I have placed it where the original artist of this diagram has shown it (yes, at the top of the chamber you were asking about) and I have done that for 2 reasons , the first so I can utilise the weight of the flap valve seal to assist closure secondly to utilise more of the hammer effect energy, by applying it to a greater volume pump. i(it does not increase the amount of water pumped, it does however slow the pulse rate and extend the time the valve is open. I support my argument by asking you to look at the majority of ramp pumps on utube,...... where is the waste valve located?
Thank you! New to ram pumps and after heaps of videos I finally get how it works. It should therefor work in a waterfall into swimming pool pumped back up to higher fall then yeah? I want to build one where waterfall is pool filter so hoping it will.
For those who doubt a ram pump functioning by only weight of water moving through the system , I have seen this type of system actually working for gold miners camping on government mining claim land for two personal friends . I can still hear the pulsation of the devices that was ongoing 24 hours a day ; unnoticeable if located far enough away ,but actually was not a load noise anyhow ( click , clack ) .
thank you i did not understand how the wast valve work till now its so simple and so ingenius^^ i bet the guy who invented it exidentaly found this design^^
Just a thought, the pressure from the pressure chamber is enough to push the water even to higher location but there's still a split second delay since the pressure chamber needs to accumulate enough pressure again before it can push the water. Maybe, if you put two pressure chambers in series and they are both connected to the inlet but the 1st chambers' output is connected to the second pressure chamber which has two incoming delivery valve. That will create more pressure quickly since the pressure created from the inlet and the 1st pressure chamber will be added together to create pressure for the second chamber which is then connected to the delivery pipe. Two or more pressure chambers in series I guess can speed up the pumping of water to the delivery pipe.
I have doubt in ram pump, can we do it without water waste (valve wastage)? . Always waste water is falling down so can we reuse(send back to source bucket)???
how the waste valve is opened at the beginning and in the process its opening to the other side? wouldnt the water just flush trough that waste valve if its opened this way?
Samuel Trajano I was thinking that too couldn't it also be lifted back to the original pool if not into a sewer system or such? Circulation wouldn't hurt and could be helpful?
water pressure closes it. After pneumatic pressure pushes water up, the chamber with waste valve loses pressure and it reopens, inviting more pressure, and then closing again after the entire process happens again.
I wonder if using multiple ones in series could work? There would be much water loss along the way but I think the water can be recycled or used to power yet another system. The possibilities are endless for parallel & series running systems. I might have to try it out.
there is a permanent air bubble creating pressure in the cylinder above the delivery pipe. this creates a cyclic breathing pattern that you see in the water cycle. there was a giant dome made in nevada that replicated a mars habitat. it failed because the place couldn't breath. so they created a giant "lung" that allows the oxygen and carbon dioxide to push up and pull down. it's almost like air needs to and loves to excercise. just like viktor schauberger pointed out. life is essentially "water". water needs to "eat" rock minerals to acheive its greatest potential inside our bodies. water needs to breath. it needs to move. anyways, back to topic, i think 90% water waste is excessive. has to be a better way
not unless you can get the pump well below the water input and optimally your inlet should be near the bottom of the pool of incoming water to get more pressure.
Good explanation but would you also need a one way valve on the delivery line as the water would be expelled through the main delivery valve as the pressure has been used up in the compression chamber. I`m guessing a one way gate valve at the tank on the top of the hill would be installed?
sir it is same princip also with PC ram. in PC electrons runs and if you stop them suddenly in one point. electron accumulates there and stays as long as you want- but when you switch off the PC of course it stops. this water ram also same. my project I am working now is a laser ram. i am trying to do same with laser- I am based in india
In theory you can pump as high as you want. The problem is as the head (height) increases the percentage of the water flow that gets delivered "upstairs" decreases eventually reducing to a trickle and then to nothing.
So if you had a high-pressure balloon on top of the ram pump - Would that be much better than just a fixed cylinder or Chamber ? ie Valve closes Ram pump cycle inflates the pressure balloon, then as the reverse pressure closes the valve the balloon exerts even more pressure on the water than normal thereby pumping more than the usual flow of water. Would that work?
if your system is powerful enough to compress air youre better off using the air as the elastic bit rather than rubber as air has less internal friction and will lose less energy to heat. best off with a rigid air reserve
So it converts the momentum of the in flowing water to air pressure inside the hydraulic cylinder, which then is converted back to up hill flow, once the pressure in the cylinder is equalised, the waste water valve is opened to get the momentum of the inflowing water to rise before suddenly shutting off to divert it back to the cylinder, raising the air pressure and restarting the cycle. Rest assured, it's not free energy device as it uses the momentum of the inflowing water and discards much of it out the waste valve. Fiscally free, but not free to the scientific definition.
I don't think it has anything to do with momentum, but rather that the water in the column is trying to get back to the height of the supply pool surface. Same principle at work here as in a "water level" hose. It's just a fact that all the water in a closed system wants to achieve the same or equal elevation. In that process, the air trapped in the column is compressed to a point where it overcomes the supply check valve.
@@jro101346 momentum is why it needs a waste valve isn't it? ie. to enable the flow of water once again and provide the necessary momentum/kinetic force for it to work? Edit. I may have got it wrong but otherwise you wouldn't need a waste valve? ie. if it doesn't need that momentum?
Sandeep Naik No. It will fail to work. When water is being discharged from the waste valve, the inlet pipe’s column of water has low momentum. As the inlet water flows faster due to siphon, its momentum increases, and that is what forces the waste valve shut, lifting the other valve and entering the air chamber. (The video narrator plays fast and loose with this waste valve). Thus, the outflow water is low pressure and high volume. You could use this water in another pump, but it would need to be downhill from the first (to build pressure and momentum again) and you will get diminishing returns. In any case, a large slope, large volume of water, or both, is/are necessary for any of it to operate in the first place.
Depending on your needs the waste water isn't wasted but given back to the stream with the gift of 10% of water lifted free into your up hill tank or pond. our
Ross Williams, DC It’s inappropriate to state the lifting is free if you are using 90% downhill water movement to lift 10% uphill. You could use a water wheel and conventional pump and have similar results. No issue of priming there either and no slamming of valves, which is an eventual mechanical source of failure. Not entirely sure which way is more efficient, though.
Forgive me for I am very new to all of this but I think a lot. Is it possible to create a system where you pump water into a higher pool from a lower one, then run the water through a series of smaller turbines/wheels to generate enough electricity to charge a battery / run the primary pump? I understand the law of diminishing returns and thermodynamics, but if you had enough smaller turbines all charging the same generator, shouldnt you eventually be able to offset the pump cost? Might have to hand crank it at first unless you start with a full battery, but i feel like it would work.
Well, the mechanism of the ram pump works with the force of gravity and by this functioning 10% of water is obtained per cycle of the mechanism. I hope these two points are most essential to know about the pump and the rest we could figure out ourselves with just our common sense.
Good video I liked it. It seems like it would be a good idea to recover the 10% water from the waste valve by recirculating the water back down to the source, what do you think?
Tbvck You have it backwards. Listen to the video explanation again and just think for a moment. 90% is waste water. 10% gets pumped up hill. This varies somewhat based on the relative heights of the source reservoir, pump, and outlet pipe.
The wrong animation the water that comes from reserver to the pump should be bigger in diameter then the pipe that the water goes up to the house, and one thing more i have to say the valve also don't works like this .
lang van no lang van a longer tank would make no diffference at all.... the air pressure inside the vessel will always be the same no matter what size it is............it is wat it is inside........i know this because i am a plumber that understands whats going on. i have worked in this industry water industry for 25 years to date......... any other rediculously stupid questions to ask please do...........
quicksilver709 Wow...look at you with your little bit of knowledge. By the way, if you're going to call someone else ridiculously stupid, it would be as well to spell the word correctly. Otherwise you look, well, 'rediculously' stupid.
so sorry to offend such a pro the question was asked to gain knowledge that I lack from a pro who might actually be polite enough to pass it along ty sooo much for sharing
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i thank u with all all my heart. I have two question If you can answer them please? 1) How to make those two valves 2) a bit of calculation of quantities and height difference to lift water.
TechTrixInfo.com ty im not mechanically or science inclined this was simple and to the point and definatley explained the principle in a way I understood it
at first, the waste valve are from inside base on you animation, after a little while, it was moving outside to release the pressure. so how many waste valve do you have? it is not possible that the waste valve will move outside otherwise the water will go out direct trough the waste valve. sorry for my poor understanding.
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the extra force required to open that uphill check valve would stop the water flow. Better to let the water run out into a large tank at a reasonable height. It requires a lot of engineering or experimentation to get this right.
Needs relative values. how much water can you pump and how high? The maximum pressure from reservoir to the pump will determine the maximum pressure on the air pocket which will determine the maximum amount of lift to the final location.
For every metre of elevation from water source to the outlet is equivalent to 9.81Kpa of pressure. So if the water source is 3 metres above to ram pump you are looking at 29.43Kpa of pressure head.
It's the same principle as a "power flush" toilet system. Like the toilets in the school bathrooms or highway rest area restrooms As the supply water is forced into empty tanks by city water pressure, (gravity if from town water tank). Back pressure is built up and held in place until released by depressing the flush button or handle thereby forcing the pressurized water into the toilet bowl giving a more powerful flush accompanied by that characteristic "BWOOSH!" sound and as an added bonus, using only 10% of the water needed to flush a standard residential gravity flush toilet.
well not really. this system works on fluid hammer principle. slamming the drain valve shut causes a pressure spike because of the momentum of the water in the feed line . this pressure passes through one way valve in to the pressure tank of outlet at much higher pressure than just the feed pressure. once the pressure spike is over. the drain valve reopens. allowing the feed water to start moving again. the power flush uses the already pressurized water to compress air above the water inside the reservoir for a high volume short duration release of energy.
All toilets should work that way.. Unless they're recycling toilet water for faucet water; then you wouldn't want such a concentration perhaps! hehe.. Saving water is stupid.. We're a planet of mostly water!
And Newton's says nothing is lost. I'm on the side of globalists in some ways; it's not that we're over-populated; it's that we're over-populated with people who aren't useful.
this is a terrible explanation you almost have it right but your explanation of the waste valve makes no sense, the ram pump makes sense , your explanation skips over the complicated parts which usually is included in a long winded explanation with diagrams 1/10
Well, as a matter of fact it's not just the gravity or the pressure pushing the water up into the delivery valve. That would make no sense, since gravity as well all know, gravity pulls things down to the center of the earth, not up. What actually "pumps" the water is the kinetic energy of the water since it speeds up before the waste valve (which is drawn the wrong way around in some parts of the video) closes and then the inertia of the water forces it up the delivery which then lowers the pressure again to the point where the waste valve opens again. That is the key to understanding how the ram pump works. It's not the gravity or pressure of the water, it's pressure created by the inertia of the water moving down.
I had problems understanding the animation, largely due to the subtitles/closed Captioning appearing directly over the base of the pump where the water was coming in. Sorry , but not a great demonstration of it.
800 yrs ago tamil king 's bishop kalingRayen in erode built channel using snake technology to push water from low lying area to highland and it is called kalingRayen canal
It also uses air. That is a vital component in the model, and without the air pocket, it would not work. This is the part that I discovered today, a key that every other video and schematic that I had seen this far was missing.
Wonderful curious people, here is a theory i'd like to discuss with you, please run it past you logic circuits; Bouyancy creates a centre to peripheral potential force that relative to gravity is crucial in terms of biophysics. Like a rubber submarine, with a rubber central heating system inside it. The deeper it goes underwater, the more it pushes back aginst the crushing forces around it. This crushing force is fed through the rubber walls into the rubber pipes and struts inside the submarine and is continuously shifting, changing density and changing volume. Even when completely still, the potential force stored in the elastic tissue is significant. Any oscillations caused by sonic / seismic type energy the submarine encounters due to environmental noise AND internaly generated sound /pressure waves are altered by this potential force because density changes pitch, tone and volume. The curved surfaces angle of the elastic membrane tissue changes as it is compressed and relaxed but even while still, acts as a parabolic sonic mirror to any internal vibrations, curved egg shaped parabolic surfaces being the only efficient shape to deal with pressure differentials and bouyancy requirement. Here for the rubber sub analogy to continue we have to fill the submarine with water and lift it onto the air, let's call it "H.M.S. human body" an anti submarine, whose job is to protect the water inside being evaporated off in all directions, and the sailors called kidneys, liver, spleen from being too dry or roughly treated. The parabolic mirror shape of the fascia and skin type outer layer of the H.M.S. human body means that any regular sonic activity inside the submarine, eg.sailor heart playing his drums, will bounce around the watery internal cavities for a long time as water conducts sound brilliantly. As the sound waves bounce off the satelite dish shaped outer shell, in certain places in the "human body" the sound waves form standing waves and nodal lines of extra volume and relative silence , especially if someone left the sound system on and it is generating feedback in very tight high pitched ultrasonic frequencies, and very low throbbing infrasonic frequencies. Air behaves like a fluid and creates 1.03kg of force per square centimeter at sea level, the human body has on average nealry 2 square metres of skin. That is two tonnes of crushing force being generated at seal level relative to being on a planet such as Mars. If one stand inside a large enough bell jar and releases the potential energy, ie create a vaccuum the body expands as the potetial energy is released. Does that mean that through diligent practice one could gain the ability to dilate the central nervous system in it's entirety and release this potential energy in tiny, invisble ranges of movement? Hell yes! you just have to learn to NOT think for long periods of time as thinking contracts the nerves. Plus have fantastic postural alignments and superlative breathing habits. Come on people, two tonnes of force at your fingertips! The art is called nei kung and is popular in parts of China. I learned it from a strange and wonderful man called Bruce Frantzis who runs a company called energy arts. I am steeped in the language of physics from my family background (Father, grandfather all physicists) yet i learned these skills out of neccessity as i was disabled in my late teens. I am trying to engage with open minded people about the possibility that there is a difference between genuine fighting masters of the art trying to talk to scientists and hippies mouthing off because they want to feel special. Please check out my RUclips channel where I show these phenomena in action and let me know what you think. And breathe from your belly;)
Because the volume of water pumped high uphill is only a small percentage of the total water flow, most of the water goes to waste. So the amount pumped up will not be able to replace the original volume that flowed down, hence no PM. The reservoir from where the water flows needs to be replenished from an external source.
Thanks.. I had discovered that after I posted the question. But we Can make it much more efficient if we capture that water and feed it back in to the source. You might still have some loss depending on what you use the water for or how you use it in the house (open faucet or coil loop for heat transfer) but you should now be able to maintain the system just topping off the water now and then instead of having a large flow like a stream.
I would guess that this will not make the system MUCH more efficient as the amount returned is a small fraction of the water used and wasted. If you use a naturally flowing river you probably don't care how much water gets wasted as it flows away anyway. If however your reservoir is man-made and you don't want to just waste the water from there then the most efficient way to go is to open the inlet valve only when you need the water to go "upstairs". At all other times the water simply does not flow and the pump sits idle. This method would be much more efficient than simply return the pumped water back to the reservoir.
Divergent Droid The whole pump apparatus must be downhill from the source or momentum cannot build in the pipe. Thus, the waste water has less gravitational potential energy Han the source water. You would need to input energy to push this large volume of water back uphill. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
If I understand this thing at all..then I think the water needs to pick up speed inside the pipe to get the momentum so it can "hammer" the pressure in to the pressure chamber. Same idea as in impact tools kinda...
This video almost completely misses the point. The one clue is the sentence that the pump "uses the momentum of running water". The whole pressure chamber on the outlet is just a pulse dampener- it would work without it, but the water would come in pulses. The key is the waste valve. This valve is open before the flow starts. water runs downhill through a long pipe and out the waste valve, picking up speed. The valve is a check valve oriented so that the flow of water tends to close it. Once it closes just a little, it catches the water much more which suddenly slams it shut. Now all that running water behind it has no where to go, so pressure increases immensely. It increases so much that it opens the other check valve, which has been held closed until now by the pressure in the pressure chamber (or the weight of the water going uphill if you have no pressure chamber), allowing the pressure to push more water to the output. But the pressure pulse is momentary, pressure drops, the upper check valve closes to prevent backflow, and the waste check valve opens by gravity or a weak spring. Now water can run downhill to waste again. As it picks up speed the waste valve closes again, and cycle repeats.
Edward Berry Actually the pressure-chamber/pulse-dampener may be more important than indicated here. It is all about momentum and pressure. Closing the waste valve slams all that water against the closed end of the pile raising the pressure and causing the outlet valve to open. But if the other side of the outlet valve is just a long, water-filled pipe to the house on the hill, then the moving water collides with the stationary water of perhaps much greater mass, slowing it greatly. On the other hand squirting into the air-filled pressure chamber there is only the pressure to overcome, so probably a larger volume will flow before it stops. And looking at it from the outlet side, the compressible air maintains pressure between cycles so the folks in the house on the hill get a steady flow instead of pulses.
+Edward Berry Thank you, great explanation! I live part time on a remote Alaskan Island with lots of rain (roofwater to fill tanks) at times, but also times with no rain. Spring is 110 ft down hill from house so need to pump water uphill to refill tank.
Edward Kenway Well firstly, we have much more efficient methods of generating electricity and secondly the amount of electricity generated by something like this would be so minute, we could barely use it for anything.
This summarises my search for a water pump. Its the only one thing that will surely transform my land into a oasis. Thanks guys for the creation.
It's amazing how much we don't know; I just discovered this a week ago.. I thought, 'There has to be some kind of scam'.. I need to start learning again! Hehe..
It is 'free energy' but not in the way people think.. Free energy as the FLOW OF LIFE.. Gravity is free energy!
Thank you! I have seen many diagrams and videos on ram pumps, but was unable to grasp the physics of how they worked until a friend shared me this video!
Kudos. Amazing how many people believe this is impossible!
Superb video & information! Thanks for sharing it with us!
This animation and "explanation" fails to explain the most important part of this entire mechanism, i.e.: how the waste valve works. It also fails to explain the function of the chamber to the right (upstream) of the pressure chamber.
it was also hard to understand. but a B for effort.
What IS the function of the chamber to the right of the pressure chamber?
@@robertbrandywine just to make more stored water available to fill the cylinder than the thin pipe can deliver.
Is the waste valve necessary?
@@robertbrandywine the author of this animation has used drawings from another source, the chamber to which you refer was used in another explanation to house the waste valve. This person has merely retained the shape of the original pump and placed his waste valve closer to the delivery valve (in my opinion, a less efficient location). The system will work with the waste valve placed either before or after the delivery valve. In my system , I have placed it where the original artist of this diagram has shown it (yes, at the top of the chamber you were asking about) and I have done that for 2 reasons , the first so I can utilise the weight of the flap valve seal to assist closure secondly to utilise more of the hammer effect energy, by applying it to a greater volume pump. i(it does not increase the amount of water pumped, it does however slow the pulse rate and extend the time the valve is open. I support my argument by asking you to look at the majority of ramp pumps on utube,...... where is the waste valve located?
Thank you! New to ram pumps and after heaps of videos I finally get how it works. It should therefor work in a waterfall into swimming pool pumped back up to higher fall then yeah? I want to build one where waterfall is pool filter so hoping it will.
Thanks for the comment
For a short period. Only 10% of the water is pumped back up. You should consider an electric pump, powered by solar.
Is there any dealer with these pumps closer to Zimbabwe?
Hi.
So, how do we move stagnant water, say in a pond into the ram pump to move uphill .
Any suggestion?
Thanks for your explained
Thanks for the comment my dear friend.
Very well explained, thanks.
Thanks for the comment
Thanks for your explanation. How much pump up this pump. Hight.?
Thanks for the comment
For those who doubt a ram pump functioning by only weight of water moving through the system , I have seen this type of system actually working for gold miners camping on government mining claim land for two personal friends . I can still hear the pulsation of the devices that was ongoing 24 hours a day ; unnoticeable if located far enough away ,but actually was not a load noise anyhow ( click , clack ) .
thank you i did not understand how the wast valve work till now its so simple and so ingenius^^ i bet the guy who invented it exidentaly found this design^^
can water circulate using this kind of pump?
not really. a small percentage could but it isn't worth it.
Thank you. God’s gift.
Just a thought, the pressure from the pressure chamber is enough to push the water even to higher location but there's still a split second delay since the pressure chamber needs to accumulate enough pressure again before it can push the water. Maybe, if you put two pressure chambers in series and they are both connected to the inlet but the 1st chambers' output is connected to the second pressure chamber which has two incoming delivery valve. That will create more pressure quickly since the pressure created from the inlet and the 1st pressure chamber will be added together to create pressure for the second chamber which is then connected to the delivery pipe. Two or more pressure chambers in series I guess can speed up the pumping of water to the delivery pipe.
Could this be what the inside of the pyramid of Giza is? A water ram pump? Is it a giant water pump tower?
Dear Sir. Good video but if the pressure lowers, then the waste valve must open inside and not outside
Thanks, can we put the waste water back to the source?
not easily.
waste from ram pump, can be sVed in another pond, and ram pumped back to main pond....can that be done?
Great Video! Thank You for this!
I have doubt in ram pump, can we do it without water waste (valve wastage)? . Always waste water is falling down so can we reuse(send back to source bucket)???
I guess your animation video is wrong on one of the valves, it should be opening from the inside after the decrease in pressure.
how the waste valve is opened at the beginning and in the process its opening to the other side? wouldnt the water just flush trough that waste valve if its opened this way?
+Samuel Trajano in this we lock its motion to certain angle so it will not open to other side
Samuel Trajano I was thinking that too couldn't it also be lifted back to the original pool if not into a sewer system or such? Circulation wouldn't hurt and could be helpful?
water pressure closes it. After pneumatic pressure pushes water up, the chamber with waste valve loses pressure and it reopens, inviting more pressure, and then closing again after the entire process happens again.
some folks I met in the mountains around SE Asia used these, can be made out of bamboo with old man patience. oh yeah bamboo bongs too lol
I wonder if using multiple ones in series could work? There would be much water loss along the way but I think the water can be recycled or used to power yet another system. The possibilities are endless for parallel & series running systems.
I might have to try it out.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Keep in mind everything is in balance; more maintenance as parts wear out etc.. But I do agree that there should be some multiplicative
Ossum explains
Thanks for the comment.
Can it be used in pump storage
could this be done with tesla valves?
Great! But then it is not really a pump, but the dynamic of the water
Awesome , good explain best of luck
What makes the waste valve open? there isnt anyone opening it so what would make it open?
there is a permanent air bubble creating pressure in the cylinder above the delivery pipe. this creates a cyclic breathing pattern that you see in the water cycle. there was a giant dome made in nevada that replicated a mars habitat. it failed because the place couldn't breath. so they created a giant "lung" that allows the oxygen and carbon dioxide to push up and pull down. it's almost like air needs to and loves to excercise. just like viktor schauberger pointed out. life is essentially "water". water needs to "eat" rock minerals to acheive its greatest potential inside our bodies. water needs to breath. it needs to move. anyways, back to topic, i think 90% water waste is excessive. has to be a better way
Thank you for the information
How does the waste valve work?
Can you use this in a hand dug well?
not unless you can get the pump well below the water input and optimally your inlet should be near the bottom of the pool of incoming water to get more pressure.
Can we save the water too from waste valve ?
Good explanation but would you also need a one way valve on the delivery line as the water would be expelled through the main delivery valve as the pressure has been used up in the compression chamber. I`m guessing a one way gate valve at the tank on the top of the hill would be installed?
sir it is same princip also with PC ram.
in PC electrons runs and if you stop them suddenly in one point. electron accumulates there and stays as long as you want-
but when you switch off the PC of course it stops.
this water ram also same.
my project I am working now is a laser ram.
i am trying to do same with laser-
I am based in india
Great video to play a drinking game, drink a swig of beer every time he says Ram pump & water
is there a limit to how far the ram can push the water? ie: does gravity become a factor at some point?
In theory you can pump as high as you want. The problem is as the head (height) increases the percentage of the water flow that gets delivered "upstairs" decreases eventually reducing to a trickle and then to nothing.
So if you had a high-pressure balloon on top of the ram pump - Would that be much better than just a fixed cylinder or Chamber ?
ie Valve closes Ram pump cycle inflates the pressure balloon, then as the reverse pressure closes the valve the balloon exerts even more pressure on the water than normal thereby pumping more than the usual flow of water. Would that work?
if your system is powerful enough to compress air youre better off using the air as the elastic bit rather than rubber as air has less internal friction and will lose less energy to heat. best off with a rigid air reserve
thx to your good video and I wonder the source to work the pump is only gravity?
Great Bee Gravity coupled with 90% waste water.
So it converts the momentum of the in flowing water to air pressure inside the hydraulic cylinder, which then is converted back to up hill flow, once the pressure in the cylinder is equalised, the waste water valve is opened to get the momentum of the inflowing water to rise before suddenly shutting off to divert it back to the cylinder, raising the air pressure and restarting the cycle.
Rest assured, it's not free energy device as it uses the momentum of the inflowing water and discards much of it out the waste valve. Fiscally free, but not free to the scientific definition.
I don't think it has anything to do with momentum, but rather that the water in the column is trying to get back to the height of the supply pool surface. Same principle at work here as in a "water level" hose. It's just a fact that all the water in a closed system wants to achieve the same or equal elevation. In that process, the air trapped in the column is compressed to a point where it overcomes the supply check valve.
@@jro101346 momentum is why it needs a waste valve isn't it? ie. to enable the flow of water once again and provide the necessary momentum/kinetic force for it to work?
Edit. I may have got it wrong but otherwise you wouldn't need a waste valve? ie. if it doesn't need that momentum?
can we connect a pipe from waste valve to discharge line? so that water wastage can be eliminated
Sandeep Naik No. It will fail to work. When water is being discharged from the waste valve, the inlet pipe’s column of water has low momentum. As the inlet water flows faster due to siphon, its momentum increases, and that is what forces the waste valve shut, lifting the other valve and entering the air chamber. (The video narrator plays fast and loose with this waste valve). Thus, the outflow water is low pressure and high volume. You could use this water in another pump, but it would need to be downhill from the first (to build pressure and momentum again) and you will get diminishing returns. In any case, a large slope, large volume of water, or both, is/are necessary for any of it to operate in the first place.
Depending on your needs the waste water isn't wasted but given back to the stream with the gift of 10% of water lifted free into your up hill tank or pond.
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Ross Williams, DC It’s inappropriate to state the lifting is free if you are using 90% downhill water movement to lift 10% uphill. You could use a water wheel and conventional pump and have similar results. No issue of priming there either and no slamming of valves, which is an eventual mechanical source of failure. Not entirely sure which way is more efficient, though.
Forgive me for I am very new to all of this but I think a lot. Is it possible to create a system where you pump water into a higher pool from a lower one, then run the water through a series of smaller turbines/wheels to generate enough electricity to charge a battery / run the primary pump?
I understand the law of diminishing returns and thermodynamics, but if you had enough smaller turbines all charging the same generator, shouldnt you eventually be able to offset the pump cost?
Might have to hand crank it at first unless you start with a full battery, but i feel like it would work.
Well, the mechanism of the ram pump works with the force of gravity and by this functioning 10% of water is obtained per cycle of the mechanism.
I hope these two points are most essential to know about the pump and the rest we could figure out ourselves with just our common sense.
Good video I liked it. It seems like it would be a good idea to recover the 10% water from the waste valve by recirculating the water back down to the source, what do you think?
Tbvck You have it backwards. Listen to the video explanation again and just think for a moment. 90% is waste water. 10% gets pumped up hill. This varies somewhat based on the relative heights of the source reservoir, pump, and outlet pipe.
The wrong animation the water that comes from reserver to the pump should be bigger in diameter then the pipe that the water goes up to the house, and one thing more i have to say the valve also don't works like this .
Yes, the waste valve must open inward.
simple explanation. Thanks for posting
question would a longer pressure tank result in more water pressure?
lang van no lang van a longer tank would make no diffference at all.... the air pressure inside the vessel will always be the same no matter what size it is............it is wat it is inside........i know this because i am a plumber that understands whats going on. i have worked in this industry water industry for 25 years to date......... any other rediculously stupid questions to ask please do...........
quicksilver709 Wow...look at you with your little bit of knowledge. By the way, if you're going to call someone else ridiculously stupid, it would be as well to spell the word correctly. Otherwise you look, well, 'rediculously' stupid.
so sorry to offend such a pro the question was asked to gain knowledge that I lack from a pro who might actually be polite enough to pass it along ty sooo much for sharing
+WhaleBoatWilly gee your a nasty waste of space, what did the the world do to deserve your waste of good air, i would say that the message you gave out should refer back to you
A larger system won't have a higher pressure. It will transfer a higher volume of water.
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I have two question If you can answer them please?
1) How to make those two valves
2) a bit of calculation of quantities and height difference to lift water.
TechTrixInfo.com ty im not mechanically or science inclined this was simple and to the point and definatley explained the principle in a way I understood it
I can awnser the first question you can get one way flapper valves in (probably) any hardware store.
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at first, the waste valve are from inside base on you animation, after a little while, it was moving outside to release the pressure. so how many waste valve do you have? it is not possible that the waste valve will move outside otherwise the water will go out direct trough the waste valve. sorry for my poor understanding.
My question too...no answer?
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It's just for understanding purpose
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Where to go woth the waste water dude
Understood, thankyou, now to try and make one. :-)
another non return valvve may be necessary at out put to reduce the back flow pressure, i think
the extra force required to open that uphill check valve would stop the water flow. Better to let the water run out into a large tank at a reasonable height. It requires a lot of engineering or experimentation to get this right.
Needs relative values. how much water can you pump and how high?
The maximum pressure from reservoir to the pump will determine the maximum pressure on the air pocket which will determine the maximum amount of lift to the final location.
I would build a small vegetable garden around the waste water valve so the water is put to good use. Blessings to all.
ramp pump to ram pump to go further then?
For every metre of elevation from water source to the outlet is equivalent to 9.81Kpa of pressure. So if the water source is 3 metres above to ram pump you are looking at 29.43Kpa of pressure head.
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How it work when suction at datum level
Thanks for your effort and explanation, but the waste valve section is totally wrong and the story is gone.
It's the same principle as a "power flush" toilet system. Like the toilets in the school bathrooms or highway rest area restrooms As the supply water is forced into empty tanks by city water pressure, (gravity if from town water tank). Back pressure is built up and held in place until released by depressing the flush button or handle thereby forcing the pressurized water into the toilet bowl giving a more powerful flush accompanied by that characteristic "BWOOSH!" sound and as an added bonus, using only 10% of the water needed to flush a standard residential gravity flush toilet.
well not really. this system works on fluid hammer principle. slamming the drain valve shut causes a pressure spike because of the momentum of the water in the feed line . this pressure passes through one way valve in to the pressure tank of outlet at much higher pressure than just the feed pressure. once the pressure spike is over. the drain valve reopens. allowing the feed water to start moving again. the power flush uses the already pressurized water to compress air above the water inside the reservoir for a high volume short duration release of energy.
Is this how toilets on air planes work?
All toilets should work that way.. Unless they're recycling toilet water for faucet water; then you wouldn't want such a concentration perhaps! hehe.. Saving water is stupid.. We're a planet of mostly water!
And Newton's says nothing is lost. I'm on the side of globalists in some ways; it's not that we're over-populated; it's that we're over-populated with people who aren't useful.
Cool!
Thank you well done
ram is great
Looks like the chambers inside the great pyramid.
thanks
Water hammer effect?
Thanks for this info.
can i ask you some questions
this is a terrible explanation you almost have it right but your explanation of the waste valve makes no sense, the ram pump makes sense , your explanation skips over the complicated parts which usually is included in a long winded explanation with diagrams 1/10
Well, as a matter of fact it's not just the gravity or the pressure pushing the water up into the delivery valve. That would make no sense, since gravity as well all know, gravity pulls things down to the center of the earth, not up. What actually "pumps" the water is the kinetic energy of the water since it speeds up before the waste valve (which is drawn the wrong way around in some parts of the video) closes and then the inertia of the water forces it up the delivery which then lowers the pressure again to the point where the waste valve opens again. That is the key to understanding how the ram pump works. It's not the gravity or pressure of the water, it's pressure created by the inertia of the water moving down.
Its like free energy 😂
Yes, true
Thanks :)
what is a "ralve"???
I had problems understanding the animation, largely due to the subtitles/closed Captioning appearing directly over the base of the pump where the water was coming in. Sorry , but not a great demonstration of it.
800 yrs ago tamil king 's bishop kalingRayen in erode built channel using snake technology to push water from low lying area to highland and it is called kalingRayen canal
Why don't you just say that the ram pump works using the energy of the water and the effects of water hammer?
It also uses air. That is a vital component in the model, and without the air pocket, it would not work. This is the part that I discovered today, a key that every other video and schematic that I had seen this far was missing.
Get someone who speaks better English to explain this. Is confusing.
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Looks like the Pyramid in Egypt.
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Wonderful curious people, here is a theory i'd like to discuss with you,
please run it past you logic circuits;
Bouyancy creates a centre to peripheral potential force that relative to
gravity is crucial in terms of biophysics.
Like a rubber submarine, with a rubber central heating system inside it.
The deeper it goes underwater, the more it pushes back aginst the
crushing forces around it.
This crushing force is fed through the rubber walls into the rubber
pipes and struts inside the submarine and is continuously shifting,
changing density and changing volume.
Even when completely still, the potential force stored in the elastic
tissue is significant.
Any oscillations caused by sonic / seismic type energy the submarine
encounters due to environmental noise AND internaly generated sound
/pressure waves are altered by this potential force because density
changes pitch, tone and volume.
The curved surfaces angle of the elastic membrane tissue changes as it
is compressed and relaxed but even while still, acts as a parabolic
sonic mirror to any internal vibrations,
curved egg shaped parabolic surfaces being the only efficient shape to
deal with pressure differentials and bouyancy requirement.
Here for the rubber sub analogy to continue we have to fill the
submarine with water and lift it onto the air, let's call it "H.M.S.
human body" an anti submarine, whose job is to protect the water inside
being evaporated off in all directions, and the sailors called kidneys,
liver, spleen from being too dry or roughly treated.
The parabolic mirror shape of the fascia and skin type outer layer of
the H.M.S. human body means that any regular sonic activity inside the
submarine, eg.sailor heart playing his drums, will bounce around the
watery internal cavities for a long time as water conducts sound
brilliantly.
As the sound waves bounce off the satelite dish shaped outer shell, in
certain places in the "human body" the sound waves form standing waves
and nodal lines of extra volume and relative silence , especially if
someone left the sound system on and it is generating feedback in very
tight high pitched ultrasonic frequencies, and very low throbbing
infrasonic frequencies.
Air behaves like a fluid and creates 1.03kg of force per square
centimeter at sea level, the human body has on average nealry 2 square
metres of skin.
That is two tonnes of crushing force being generated at seal level
relative to being on a planet such as Mars.
If one stand inside a large enough bell jar and releases the potential
energy, ie create a vaccuum the body expands as the potetial energy is
released.
Does that mean that through diligent practice one could gain the ability
to dilate the central nervous system in it's entirety and release this
potential energy in tiny, invisble ranges of movement?
Hell yes! you just have to learn to NOT think for long periods of time
as thinking contracts the nerves. Plus have fantastic postural
alignments and superlative breathing habits.
Come on people, two tonnes of force at your fingertips!
The art is called nei kung and is popular in parts of China.
I learned it from a strange and wonderful man called Bruce Frantzis who
runs a company called energy arts.
I am steeped in the language of physics from my family background
(Father, grandfather all physicists) yet i learned these skills out of
neccessity as i was disabled in my late teens.
I am trying to engage with open minded people about the possibility that
there is a difference between genuine fighting masters of the art
trying to talk to scientists and hippies mouthing off because they want
to feel special.
Please check out my RUclips channel where I show these phenomena in
action and let me know what you think.
And breathe from your belly;)
bruh..... no..... just.... no.
"90% of the water is wasted through the waste valve" is incorrect.
Why couldn't I use this for a perpetual motion machine? Simply dump the output from the house back into the water source creating an endless loop?
Because the volume of water pumped high uphill is only a small percentage of the total water flow, most of the water goes to waste. So the amount pumped up will not be able to replace the original volume that flowed down, hence no PM. The reservoir from where the water flows needs to be replenished from an external source.
Thanks.. I had discovered that after I posted the question. But we Can make it much more efficient if we capture that water and feed it back in to the source. You might still have some loss depending on what you use the water for or how you use it in the house (open faucet or coil loop for heat transfer) but you should now be able to maintain the system just topping off the water now and then instead of having a large flow like a stream.
I would guess that this will not make the system MUCH more efficient as the amount returned is a small fraction of the water used and wasted. If you use a naturally flowing river you probably don't care how much water gets wasted as it flows away anyway. If however your reservoir is man-made and you don't want to just waste the water from there then the most efficient way to go is to open the inlet valve only when you need the water to go "upstairs". At all other times the water simply does not flow and the pump sits idle. This method would be much more efficient than simply return the pumped water back to the reservoir.
So, your saying control the amount of loss simply by controlling when the pump is in operation. That I would already opt to do. Thanks.
Divergent Droid The whole pump apparatus must be downhill from the source or momentum cannot build in the pipe. Thus, the waste water has less gravitational potential energy Han the source water. You would need to input energy to push this large volume of water back uphill. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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Why do you need a waste valve?
If I understand this thing at all..then I think the water needs to pick up speed inside the pipe to get the momentum so it can "hammer" the pressure in to the pressure chamber. Same idea as in impact tools kinda...
This video almost completely misses the point. The one clue is the sentence that the pump "uses the momentum of running water". The whole pressure chamber on the outlet is just a pulse dampener- it would work without it, but the water would come in pulses. The key is the waste valve. This valve is open before the flow starts. water runs downhill through a long pipe and out the waste valve, picking up speed. The valve is a check valve oriented so that the flow of water tends to close it. Once it closes just a little, it catches the water much more which suddenly slams it shut. Now all that running water behind it has no where to go, so pressure increases immensely. It increases so much that it opens the other check valve, which has been held closed until now by the pressure in the pressure chamber (or the weight of the water going uphill if you have no pressure chamber), allowing the pressure to push more water to the output. But the pressure pulse is momentary, pressure drops, the upper check valve closes to prevent backflow, and the waste check valve opens by gravity or a weak spring. Now water can run downhill to waste again. As it picks up speed the waste valve closes again, and cycle repeats.
Edward Berry Actually the pressure-chamber/pulse-dampener may be more important than indicated here. It is all about momentum and pressure. Closing the waste valve slams all that water against the closed end of the pile raising the pressure and causing the outlet valve to open. But if the other side of the outlet valve is just a long, water-filled pipe to the house on the hill, then the moving water collides with the stationary water of perhaps much greater mass, slowing it greatly. On the other hand squirting into the air-filled pressure chamber there is only the pressure to overcome, so probably a larger volume will flow before it stops. And looking at it from the outlet side, the compressible air maintains pressure between cycles so the folks in the house on the hill get a steady flow instead of pulses.
+Edward Berry Thank you, great explanation! I live part time on a remote Alaskan Island with lots of rain (roofwater to fill tanks) at times, but also times with no rain. Spring is 110 ft down hill from house so need to pump water uphill to refill tank.
+Edward Berry thanks. that was a way better explanation than the video.
Are you the same guy that called me about my car loan the other day?
Dale Leppert this guys must be a genius. He also helped me get my computer running yesterday
Why don't we use this to generate energy?
Edward Kenway Well firstly, we have much more efficient methods of generating electricity and secondly the amount of electricity generated by something like this would be so minute, we could barely use it for anything.
Edward Kenway We use water to make electricity using elevation, think of the hoover dam for example making 2 MegaWatts. ^_^
+phogelbice
Then think of it making 2000 megawatts. ;)
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So that is how it works
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The Great Pyramid was a ram pump.
Wrong side of waste valve opening
ok i guess gravity is kinda endless energy.
I don't get it?? 😕😕?
The accent is terrible! It misses the context of understanding it.