I made a waste valve with 2" coupling and 2x1" boozing, one of the boozing is inverted ang welded. I install a reducer from 1" to 1/2 inch for plunger rod. The plunger is made of hard rubber(truck tyre) around a inch thick with stud bolt as a rod. It can adjust to the desired cycle of the pump. I learned that it is better to have a slower cycle if the delivery distance is longer and higher vertical to lift.
Thanks for the informative inovation...this well help plenty of population which has scarce water supply...tnx again idol...godbless...Stay safe always
You're the first one here to put emphasis on the little air hole below the pressure tank valve to replenish the air. Other posters here on youtube state that you need a bladder tank, a pool noodle or another elastic and compressible device to prevent losing the pressure in the tank. Keeping in mind that hydraulic ram pumps were invented in 1796 and successfully worked for more than 200 years without a bladder tank, this is the crucial element to make the pump almost maintenance free. My grandpa used an already old one some fourty years ago to deliver water to his garden. My cousin, who inherited it, said it is still working. In Swabia those pumps are nicknamed 'the diligent cobbler' due to their never-ceasing knocking sound.
@@frenchriverspringsmakes sens to me. I'm a plumber, and if i understand correctly, it just makes it so you always have air and thus, pressure in the tank? Because I imagine if the pressure chamber were to fill up completely, the pump would stop functionning?
Great demonstration of a ram pump on how to build it and how it works. No false claims only advice on what to alter to give possibly a better performance
your is THE best I have seen so far. I have not seen that crucial 1/16 hole under check valve sending water to Chamber on other YOU TUBE Presentation. Air being replenished in Chamber make the whole thing operate smoothly and work right. 40 years ago I did one of these for final practical Engineering project. I had to Machin the valve with adjustable length and weight. What you are doing is much better ; calibrating the SPRING. Try three different spring and a 5 gallon Bucket at the end of hose and measure the time; see which spring fills the bucket sooner. These Ram pumps are great for hilly areas with running water at lower levels. Depending on amount of water, one can put 4 of them next to each other. Great job, I hope everybody follow your design and read my comment. greetings from California , best wishes.
At about eight and a half minutes into your video you were talking about the heart beat. The optimal number of beats per minute will depend on every individual's unique setup. For my setup, about sixty beats per minute turned out to be just about perfect. A problem with my setup is the available water in my spring can be vary seasonally. During times when my creek doesn't have as much water in it, a faster number of beats per minute means less water wasted through the pump so my dam is less likely to run out of water. My ram pump has an adjustable stroke length on the valve and also some big fat washers for weights which can be to added or removed, as well as changing to stronger or weaker springs. I had to use a stopwatch and a count the number of beats per minute and keep measuring the pumped volume with a bucket and stopwatch at the other end. I made a graph of the performance curve and then settled on a number of beats per minute which conserved my dam water and still resulted in a pretty good volume of water delivered to my tank. For you it looks like you have an ample water supply for the size ram pump you made so maybe the speed of the pump will be less critical for your setup. Nice video, thank you for sharing it, it's always nice to see other people's ideas. You have a great setup, congratulations.
After reading your comment, that is exactly what you need to do! (I did the same thing) after that it's a matter of water management at your holding tank !
His ram obviously works, but does have problems if lifting to a greater height. I built a ram pump in 1978 and used it for 25 years lifting water 320 feet. For high lifting you must use STEEL Drive pipe and steel delivery pipe first 250 feet. Also for lift above 60 feet pump must be all metal. ( l have watched metal freon tank explode and fly over 100 feet high) My ram had 20 feet fall from water resavore through 1 1/2 inch drive pipe then union conecter to pump valve to steel pressure tank is 1 1/2 CLATON MARK one way check valve. Tank is 3 inch steel pipe. My clacker valve 1 1/2 inch SWING CHECK VALVE ( very loud). My delivery pipe is 3/4 inch steel water pipe to 4000 gal water tank. I got 4800 gallons every 24 hours.( approx 1 1/2 gal per min).
I have had mine in operation for over 3 years, 1 in. stainless with 30 ft galvanized drive line from a stand pipe. My fall is apx. 12-15 ft. Im pumping apx. 80 ft in elevation at 200 GPD. I do have to empty the pressure vessel (4in pvc) on occasion when I see it becoming week.
Love this ram pump design. Seems simpler than others I have seen. I would love to get one setup and have a pressure nozzle on it, to push a small water turbine to charge a battery bank and be off grid. Keep up the great work. - Danny
@@LandtoHouse what to pass through the turbine? Yeah makes sense. what you could is just have both set up next to each other, run one pipe for the ram pump and another for the wires to run from the turbine up to the charging station.
@@BrassBashers I had a simple 1-1/4" ram pump setup nozzled down to a strong stream of water. I then just used a treadmill motor with homemade water wheel to make like 4v. Haha
The Hole is allowing a momentary vacuum break, and the "pressure tank" which is actually an expansion tank. Like what is on a deep well pump. Very neat idea using the reversed spring on the one way valve. Will try to build one like this. Thanks.
Finally! Somebody answered the question we’ve all been wondering. I though maybe it was to keep the pressure tank from being water logged. Or am I still missing something?
Usually the hole in the pipe has a tiny SS cotter pin in it or a piece of copper wire bent on both ends to restrict flow. I am building a ram with a schrader valve - tire valve, but made for old style water well tanks as an air entrance valve - it has no spring and it is stainless steel. Available at good well supply stores, but getting out dated. Basically a tiny check valve - lets air in and water not out. Still you can't beat a simple hole - but the wire makes it self cleaning.
It would have a higher delivery rate, and would have started much quicker, if you hadn't lifted the pipe coming from the spring. Hydraulic rams don't depend on pressure on the inlet side in order to work, they depend on the SPEED of the incoming water. Flowing water possesses kinetic energy. If you halve the flow rate of the water, the kinetic energy drops to a quarter of what it was - and there's a drastic reduction in the flow rate out of the ram through the delivery pipe. When you lifted up that spring water pipe, the flow rate dropped very sharply - and there's the problem. The flow rate has to reach a critical speed in order to snap the waste valve shut, and cause the pressure spike which opens the delivery valve; the more you interfere with the free flow of input water, the longer it takes for it to reach enough speed to snap the waste valve shut, and the more water you waste out of the waste valve. Reversing that spring in the waste valve made it worse, because the the spring water not only has to overcome the weight of the waste valve to shut it - it also has to overcome the spring pressure as well. Those two factors significantly reduce the efficiency of the set up, and that's a real pity. I'm sure that if you turn that spring water pipe down to where it was to start with, take the spring out of the waste valve, and then connect your hydraulic ram in the vertical position again, you'll see a heck of a difference. HTH
thanks for the detail other instructions were missing. particularly showing that you can change the checkvalve and showing where you added the airhole. many people dont even understand that the air dissolve in the water.
There is something funny about all ram pump videos. They show the output discharge of water just for a fraction of a second just like the first appearance of poltergeist.
Thank you very much for your intention, but with all respect and admiration for your work, I would like to recommend that you divide the content into two videos so that you can give details about the measurements of the pieces that are used. By the way, in normal video speed.
Thank you so much for your advice on the check files I just modified them You know one could Use a bicycle pump to run air hundreds of feet down to the accumulator and keep it full of air
You also do not need to add a "snifter" hole if you use a commercial pressure tank as that snifter hole costs you a lot of water being pumped over time....been there done that to....
I noticed that you are losing water at your reducer on your 3 or 4" elbow this should be sealed tight so you don't lose any kind of air or water pressure that you are building up this may help you push more water through your garden hose.
That ram pump is beautiful! The pope should fly down and bless it! Lol! Some ppl put a bicycle tube fillled up inside the pressure reservoir (air tank). Great job!
The purpose of the bicycle tube inside the air pressure reservoir is to isolate air from the water. Without it the air will slowly dissolve in the water creating a vacuum that reduce the pressure and effectiveness of the pump. I might be wrong, but his little hole in the check valve might serve the same purpose as the bicycle tube as it appear to replenish the air in the pressure reservoir with bursts of fresh air, so no problem with some of it dissolving in the water. I could be totally off the mark with that though....
What if you used the valve from a bicycle tube in that little hole, so that it acted as a one-way valve for taking air in? Would it result in better air pressure or would the difference be marginal? I've successfully used tubeless presta valves from the local bike store as one way air valves in a few projects before.
Usually the hole in the pipe has a tiny SS cotter pin in it or a piece of copper wire bent on both ends to restrict flow. I am building a ram with a schrader valve - tire valve, but made for old style water well tanks as an air entrance valve - it has no spring and it is stainless steel. Available at good well supply store, but getting out dated. Basically a tiny check valve - lets air in and water not out.
@@TheBryce98 There is no need to put check valve as snifter, water release only happen when delivery valve is closed and suck air when delivery valve is open, thus notbing affecting the pressure of the chamber at all. Snifter release water at a fraction of second before waste valve is open, we can say it dump water at the same time with waste valve, so no need to concern. Thanks.
Now your talking Gilbert....that`s the way to go....no solar....no gas pump.....just do it the old way....that could probably water your garden with the sprinkler and even feed your fish pound.....dirty water for the activation and the clean river water on the push side.....you did a great job with this pump....did you now you can still buy the old ram Pumps the way the use to build then....when we meet we talk more about this.....CHEERS my friend
It's an attempt at making a snifter... but not a very good one. You need a reed valve or similar so that it closes whent the water is pushing on it and opens to let a little air in to prevent water from displacing the air in the pressure tank. As also mentioned below it can help to put a check valve in the pipe going uphill to reduce back pressure.
@@frenchriversprings Same thing goes your way Gilbert....I won`t be around till Spring I think....stay away from the big city....don`t catch the covid....CHEERS
@@frenchriversprings gov will have all heads for this tech thay teach us that we always have loss but never talk about the converted gain we can make from eletromagnets if u convert all the wast thermal energy around you u can use it universally as energy u need a true sine wave bipolar like the power comp dose a true pure sinewave like a grid tie inverter once the signal is made the system will turn on and consume wast thermal energy from the environment and space around you... there is free energy but it comes from Universal thermal loss and converted into a gain. so a pole Transformer and a microwave Transformer have a common between each other u can take 2 microwave Transformer provide a pure sine wave grid tie inverter to it or a true bipolar sinewave that inter acts with nature in a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing 1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self 2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its perfect spherical motion to converted wast thermal energy to amp for u hot to cold in to out... should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the environment...this is my work a compilation of Otis car. Tesla. and many other very smart people nowadays i think i found the gate source and drainif this gets out to much that it works the power comp and mib will have our headsdont do this at home warning high voltage yet i cant stop u lol DO NOT TOCH THE CORES OR THE WIRES OK u will die make sure u dont touch the core if the hi wire is mounted to it u dont have to mount the hi on the core if u dont want u connect the 1 hi wire to the same side hi on the other transformer then the core should besafe to handle if nessary grab your multimeter and prove me wrong thats what u do i have my whole home on this and u can take one of the lows side out the wall and hook it up to other stuff and power it for verry little amp makeing nature convert and pumping latent heat effect into the device. and u can have a microwave hi volt cap in between the hi side and make a system that powers its self u can flip the switch on ur breaker and the room stays on up to 2kva with both lows in the wall this is the zero point that was taken from us...
@@frenchriversprings gov will have all heads for this tech thay teach us that we always have loss but never talk about the converted gain we can make from eletromagnets if u convert all the wast thermal energy around you u can use it universally as energy u need a true sine wave bipolar like the power comp dose a true pure sinewave like a grid tie inverter once the signal is made the system will turn on and consume wast thermal energy from the environment and space around you... there is free energy but it comes from Universal thermal loss and converted into a gain. so a pole Transformer and a microwave Transformer have a common between each other u can take 2 microwave Transformer provide a pure sine wave grid tie inverter to it or a true bipolar sinewave that inter acts with nature in a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing 1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self 2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its perfect spherical motion to converted wast thermal energy to amp for u hot to cold in to out... should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the environment...this is my work a compilation of Otis car. Tesla. and many other very smart people nowadays i think i found the gate source and drainif this gets out to much that it works the power comp and mib will have our headsdont do this at home warning high voltage yet i cant stop u lol DO NOT TOCH THE CORES OR THE WIRES OK u will die make sure u dont touch the core if the hi wire is mounted to it u dont have to mount the hi on the core if u dont want u connect the 1 hi wire to the same side hi on the other transformer then the core should besafe to handle if nessary grab your multimeter and prove me wrong thats what u do i have my whole home on this and u can take one of the lows side out the wall and hook it up to other stuff and power it for verry little amp makeing nature convert and pumping latent heat effect into the device. and u can have a microwave hi volt cap in between the hi side and make a system that powers its self u can flip the switch on ur breaker and the room stays on up to 2kva with both lows in the wall this is the zero point that was taken from us...
@@frenchriversprings gov will have all heads for this tech thay teach us that we always have loss but never talk about the converted gain we can make from eletromagnets if u convert all the wast thermal energy around you u can use it universally as energy u need a true sine wave bipolar like the power comp dose a true pure sinewave like a grid tie inverter once the signal is made the system will turn on and consume wast thermal energy from the environment and space around you... there is free energy but it comes from Universal thermal loss and converted into a gain. so a pole Transformer and a microwave Transformer have a common between each other u can take 2 microwave Transformer provide a pure sine wave grid tie inverter to it or a true bipolar sinewave that inter acts with nature in a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing 1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self 2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its perfect spherical motion to converted wast thermal energy to amp for u hot to cold in to out... should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the environment...this is my work a compilation of Otis car. Tesla. and many other very smart people nowadays i think i found the gate source and drainif this gets out to much that it works the power comp and mib will have our headsdont do this at home warning high voltage yet i cant stop u lol DO NOT TOCH THE CORES OR THE WIRES OK u will die make sure u dont touch the core if the hi wire is mounted to it u dont have to mount the hi on the core if u dont want u connect the 1 hi wire to the same side hi on the other transformer then the core should besafe to handle if nessary grab your multimeter and prove me wrong thats what u do i have my whole home on this and u can take one of the lows side out the wall and hook it up to other stuff and power it for verry little amp makeing nature convert and pumping latent heat effect into the device. and u can have a microwave hi volt cap in between the hi side and make a system that powers its self u can flip the switch on ur breaker and the room stays on up to 2kva with both lows in the wall this is the zero point that was taken from us...
Nature is fascinating, and engineers ideas to use natures energy without adding new energy at all is even more fascinating - human spirit, thats what it's all about!
The hydrologic water ram was invented in the 1740s to blow up balloons in england technically speaking not any new technology. Just thought that may spark a bit of intrest in history
I was having a issue with the same type of check valve here, but now i see it's because i started with the other design when everything is in line. I get good pressure and flow, but cant get the check valve to work. I also used a plastic check for the pressure tube. When I first set it up, it blew the pressure tube off the rubber reducer attached with hose clamps. I had to add 2 clamps to each end. Its like 30 or 40 psi!
Before i am wandering why did you take out the spring on your check valve, lately I realize that without removing a spring sometimes the ram pump is malfuctioning or stop,. I decided to remove the spring from my checkvalve of my ramp pump, it is much more better.
Yea, I have seen a lot of pumps made with stock valves with the spring load kept as is. But I guess when the pump is running, the water is doing the work of opening and closing, and the spring can just get in the way a bit. Either way will usually work I would guess, but you probably get a bit more flow without the spring, once you get it running. I think I would leave mine in if it was working good enough just because it would make priming easier to have that slight pressure for the water to work on.
Good idea,but I would be concerned about not enough water being moved to supply a generator with a reasonable out put. It could be used as a way to fill a back up water supply tower, to feed the house's supply should the power go out
if you have flowing water, you'll just lose some energy to the pump's inefficiency. so you're probably better off if you just put the generator directly on the water source.
If there is water in a ditch without flow, can you use a ram pump to send water? Or it is necessary to have flow in order to work? What if the black tank was already filled with water at the beginning?
some late information. as a result of the supply-side flow restriction the pump causes, , the (per-second) flow rate out of the source (at this point in the system) will be Reduced. cheers
On a significantly larger scale, I have seen a dam with water going through a turbine connected to the shaft of a centrifugal pump. Like in this case, you're using water going downhill to push water uphill. Clearly there will be inefficiencies, but the concept works.
Lay the delivery pipe back down and set the ram pump back on in vertical position with the delivery lying down as it was? If you do that you wouldn’t have to wait for water level to rise? I’m just asking...
I have several questions. 1- Can you tell what should be the ratio of the diameter of the outlet pipe to the inlet? 2- There are some other types of check valves that do not have a spring and have a hinge and pivot on one side, and based on their weight, the valve opens and closes, and they do not need a base in the middle of the valve to install the door of valve. Doesn't the middle diagonal bar of the valve make resistance against water? What is their disadvantage compared to this type? thanks
mohamed sheikh True! Also for anybody who are living off-grid, you don’t have to be poor, perhaps you own a parcel of land with a stream or river then this wonderful ancients technology could come very handy indeed.
Its prox 700 gal every 24 hours Which is good only for house if you need more water for gardening you need solar pump same time After that no more worries solar panel + solar pump that’s another good thing to have one
Is there a way to insert a ballon filled with air inside big black pipe? maybe at construction stage? if the cap is threaded then you can remove the ballon if you suspect air pressure loss. just throwing ideas
I saw a vid saying that you get 10% of the water lost to go uphill where you need from the downhill flow/push....and yeah, you said it best, the water still goes to it's original path (minus the 10% for your own uphill water needs)
Why is it not possible to put this pump into a closed loop system and continually pump water to the top of a hydro generator for a positive yeilding electrical system?
You would need an awful lot of water to sustain that. It might be ok to run a generator for a few hours a day, but not sustained, and I don't think it is feasable on a commercial level. But, theoretically I guess you could. It would be ugly and noisy and you would either need a gazillion pumps or some huge ones.
you would get a lot more water if you weighted the brass valve so it did not pulse so fast.....but then you will be faced with the brass valve stem breaking off from the valve head as brass cannot take the endless pounding of the valve falling back down with the weights on it. You will also benefit by going to as much steel as possible as brass fittings will eventually split. Using springs also will not work for very long as the springs cannot take the endless compression/decompression and they will soon break. Believe me I know.....been there done all that.......watch the " Dougs ram pump" series as I cover most of these problems.
2 wraps of teflon is plenty, you can crack the PVC or even brass like an egg with too much tape. Dont prime everything at the same time because wet primer helps to soften the glue joint so the fitting slips on smooth enough to push the socket in all the way, give it a 1/8-1/4 turn and hold in place for 30 seconds....or just read the glue can like a sensible person....and dont stick a dam screw driver in your mouth. If you really cant come up with a lousy $5 bicycle pump then take the valve stem out until its fully inflated and put your finger over the hole while you prepare to quickly put the stem back in.
Great job for first time project. What is the local government and environmental protection agency have to say about these over 100k years inventions? Are they will soon making new law? Thanks for sharing video.
😊 third remark is the noise level it’s quite loud because the tube is not insulated and it’s only because of the valve underneath it that the black tube that the overpressure tube that are tube bushes should out and makes that noise and is there a solution to make it more ease to the ear 👂.
I am not conviced about the pinhole under the pressure valve. If you want more air volume in your pressure tank just put an air fitting at the top of the sealed pressure tank and top it off with compressed air. But I wouldnt bother, you could actually deprime your pump if you're not careful. If you want more air volume, just make your pressure tank longer and higher. It seems like you would lose as much as you gain with that, while also reducing the hammer effect that makes the whole thing work. Remember, that is the high pressure side during the pulse. You are just taking pressure out of the pulse. Databyter
I made a waste valve with 2" coupling and 2x1" boozing, one of the boozing is inverted ang welded. I install a reducer from 1" to 1/2 inch for plunger rod. The plunger is made of hard rubber(truck tyre) around a inch thick with stud bolt as a rod. It can adjust to the desired cycle of the pump. I learned that it is better to have a slower cycle if the delivery distance is longer and higher vertical to lift.
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Sounds like you need a couple of couplers to quadruple your tripler if you ask me
Thanks for the informative inovation...this well help plenty of population which has scarce water supply...tnx again idol...godbless...Stay safe always
You're the first one here to put emphasis on the little air hole below the pressure tank valve to replenish the air. Other posters here on youtube state that you need a bladder tank, a pool noodle or another elastic and compressible device to prevent losing the pressure in the tank. Keeping in mind that hydraulic ram pumps were invented in 1796 and successfully worked for more than 200 years without a bladder tank, this is the crucial element to make the pump almost maintenance free.
My grandpa used an already old one some fourty years ago to deliver water to his garden. My cousin, who inherited it, said it is still working.
In Swabia those pumps are nicknamed 'the diligent cobbler' due to their never-ceasing knocking sound.
Thank you. Lots of comments criticized me for putting the hole. Cheers
@@frenchriverspringsmakes sens to me. I'm a plumber, and if i understand correctly, it just makes it so you always have air and thus, pressure in the tank? Because I imagine if the pressure chamber were to fill up completely, the pump would stop functionning?
Great demonstration of a ram pump on how to build it and how it works.
No false claims only advice on what to alter to give possibly a better performance
I watched this whole video and still have no clue how to build a ram pump.
I agree. He leaves out too many details!!!
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your is THE best I have seen so far.
I have not seen that crucial 1/16 hole under check valve sending water to Chamber on other YOU TUBE Presentation.
Air being replenished in Chamber make the whole thing operate smoothly and work right.
40 years ago I did one of these for final practical Engineering project.
I had to Machin the valve with adjustable length and weight.
What you are doing is much better ; calibrating the SPRING.
Try three different spring and a 5 gallon Bucket at the end of hose and measure the time; see which spring fills the bucket sooner.
These Ram pumps are great for hilly areas with running water at lower levels.
Depending on amount of water, one can put 4 of them next to each other.
Great job, I hope everybody follow your design and read my comment.
greetings from California , best wishes.
At about eight and a half minutes into your video you were talking about the heart beat. The optimal number of beats per minute will depend on every individual's unique setup.
For my setup, about sixty beats per minute turned out to be just about perfect. A problem with my setup is the available water in my spring can be vary seasonally.
During times when my creek doesn't have as much water in it, a faster number of beats per minute means less water wasted through the pump so my dam is less likely to run out of water. My ram pump has an adjustable stroke length on the valve and also some big fat washers for weights which can be to added or removed, as well as changing to stronger or weaker springs.
I had to use a stopwatch and a count the number of beats per minute and keep measuring the pumped volume with a bucket and stopwatch at the other end. I made a graph of the performance curve and then settled on a number of beats per minute which conserved my dam water and still resulted in a pretty good volume of water delivered to my tank.
For you it looks like you have an ample water supply for the size ram pump you made so maybe the speed of the pump will be less critical for your setup.
Nice video, thank you for sharing it, it's always nice to see other people's ideas. You have a great setup, congratulations.
After reading your comment, that is exactly what you need to do! (I did the same thing) after that it's a matter of water management at your holding tank !
His ram obviously works, but does have problems if lifting to a greater height.
I built a ram pump in 1978 and used it for 25 years lifting water 320 feet.
For high lifting you must use STEEL Drive pipe and steel delivery pipe first 250 feet.
Also for lift above 60 feet pump must be all metal. ( l have watched metal freon tank explode and fly over 100 feet high)
My ram had 20 feet fall from water resavore through 1 1/2 inch drive pipe then union conecter to pump valve to steel pressure tank is
1 1/2 CLATON MARK one way check valve. Tank is 3 inch steel pipe. My clacker valve 1 1/2 inch SWING CHECK VALVE ( very loud). My delivery pipe is 3/4 inch steel water pipe to 4000 gal water tank. I got 4800 gallons every 24 hours.( approx 1 1/2 gal per min).
Are you saying that both the delivery and the drive pipe have to be 250 feet long?
I have had mine in operation for over 3 years, 1 in. stainless with 30 ft galvanized drive line from a stand pipe. My fall is apx. 12-15 ft. Im pumping apx. 80 ft in elevation at 200 GPD. I do have to empty the pressure vessel (4in pvc) on occasion when I see it becoming week.
Great work on that ram pump! It's very satisfying to watch it working. ;)
Love this ram pump design. Seems simpler than others I have seen. I would love to get one setup and have a pressure nozzle on it, to push a small water turbine to charge a battery bank and be off grid. Keep up the great work. - Danny
Excellent idea. If he doesn't make a video showing how to do it, you should, bud.
The test that I ran on this concept showed that it was better to bypass the ram pump and just use the water of the creek.
@@LandtoHouse what to pass through the turbine? Yeah makes sense. what you could is just have both set up next to each other, run one pipe for the ram pump and another for the wires to run from the turbine up to the charging station.
@@BrassBashers I had a simple 1-1/4" ram pump setup nozzled down to a strong stream of water. I then just used a treadmill motor with homemade water wheel to make like 4v. Haha
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The Hole is allowing a momentary vacuum break, and the "pressure tank" which is actually an expansion tank. Like what is on a deep well pump. Very neat idea using the reversed spring on the one way valve. Will try to build one like this. Thanks.
Finally! Somebody answered the question we’ve all been wondering. I though maybe it was to keep the pressure tank from being water logged. Or am I still missing something?
Usually the hole in the pipe has a tiny SS cotter pin in it or a piece of copper wire bent on both ends to restrict flow. I am building a ram with a schrader valve - tire valve, but made for old style water well tanks as an air entrance valve - it has no spring and it is stainless steel. Available at good well supply stores, but getting out dated. Basically a tiny check valve - lets air in and water not out. Still you can't beat a simple hole - but the wire makes it self cleaning.
How did the schrader valve work for you?
This one looks very simplified could you mind taking us step by step on assembling to installation
w=sqrt(K/m) - a concept spring mass systems, remove the spring for slower operation. i love your work. I've not seen any other with a spring
Remove the sping so the ram effect would have time to happen.
You will have higher flow.
Divad Ignawm They don't normally have springs because springs will fail quickly from fatigue. Much better to use gravity.
@fassenkugel more pressure,more lift
Great job - This is probably the best design I have seen. I like your use of a central axis check valve vs a hinged one.
It would have a higher delivery rate, and would have started much quicker, if you hadn't lifted the pipe coming from the spring. Hydraulic rams don't depend on pressure on the inlet side in order to work, they depend on the SPEED of the incoming water. Flowing water possesses kinetic energy. If you halve the flow rate of the water, the kinetic energy drops to a quarter of what it was - and there's a drastic reduction in the flow rate out of the ram through the delivery pipe. When you lifted up that spring water pipe, the flow rate dropped very sharply - and there's the problem. The flow rate has to reach a critical speed in order to snap the waste valve shut, and cause the pressure spike which opens the delivery valve; the more you interfere with the free flow of input water, the longer it takes for it to reach enough speed to snap the waste valve shut, and the more water you waste out of the waste valve.
Reversing that spring in the waste valve made it worse, because the the spring water not only has to overcome the weight of the waste valve to shut it - it also has to overcome the spring pressure as well.
Those two factors significantly reduce the efficiency of the set up, and that's a real pity.
I'm sure that if you turn that spring water pipe down to where it was to start with, take the spring out of the waste valve, and then connect your hydraulic ram in the vertical position again, you'll see a heck of a difference.
HTH
The spring making the waste valve normally open ensures it is self priming
🎉 thanks for putting that on the Internet and letting us see how are you did it.
Good videos and authentic content doesn't need #ASMR sh*t. So relaxing to see actual work being done and not slomo closeups. Thanks for sharing sir!
Congratulations, in Brazil this is called bomba carneiro , Or bomba de aríete . Valeu Fera
The flow length is a critical factor on the pressure and volume you will be able to get.
thanks for the detail other instructions were missing. particularly showing that you can change the checkvalve and showing where you added the airhole. many people dont even understand that the air dissolve in the water.
It would have been nice if you had explained more how the pump works and the orientation of the valves. I hope it worked well for you.
a pump that pumps up hill
Why would he need to wait it, it's got a spring. You could just put it back in.
It's much simpler than what he showed he did it the hard way, and he cheated by hooking it up to an existing pipe,
@@bobydarnell9428 This :/
You can pump water out of a pond uphill, with no electricity
There is something funny about all ram pump videos. They show the output discharge of water just for a fraction of a second just like the first appearance of poltergeist.
Thank you very much for your intention, but with all respect and admiration for your work, I would like to recommend that you divide the content into two videos so that you can give details about the measurements of the pieces that are used. By the way, in normal video speed.
Thank you so much for your advice on the check files I just modified them You know one could Use a bicycle pump to run air hundreds of feet down to the accumulator and keep it full of air
You also do not need to add a "snifter" hole if you use a commercial pressure tank as that snifter hole costs you a lot of water being pumped over time....been there done that to....
You should have something support that. The amount of weight that's on the thing.. eventually leak and or break
Do a video of how did you get water out of the ground.
I noticed that you are losing water at your reducer on your 3 or 4" elbow this should be sealed tight so you don't lose any kind of air or water pressure that you are building up this may help you push more water through your garden hose.
That ram pump is beautiful! The pope should fly down and bless it! Lol! Some ppl put a bicycle tube fillled up inside the pressure reservoir (air tank). Great job!
The purpose of the bicycle tube inside the air pressure reservoir is to isolate air from the water. Without it the air will slowly dissolve in the water creating a vacuum that reduce the pressure and effectiveness of the pump. I might be wrong, but his little hole in the check valve might serve the same purpose as the bicycle tube as it appear to replenish the air in the pressure reservoir with bursts of fresh air, so no problem with some of it dissolving in the water. I could be totally off the mark with that though....
What if you used the valve from a bicycle tube in that little hole, so that it acted as a one-way valve for taking air in? Would it result in better air pressure or would the difference be marginal?
I've successfully used tubeless presta valves from the local bike store as one way air valves in a few projects before.
Usually the hole in the pipe has a tiny SS cotter pin in it or a piece of copper wire bent on both ends to restrict flow. I am building a ram with a schrader valve - tire valve, but made for old style water well tanks as an air entrance valve - it has no spring and it is stainless steel. Available at good well supply store, but getting out dated. Basically a tiny check valve - lets air in and water not out.
Gerry DX I think three tennis ball are better than the bicycle tube.
@@TheBryce98 There is no need to put check valve as snifter, water release only happen when delivery valve is closed and suck air when delivery valve is open, thus notbing affecting the pressure of the chamber at all. Snifter release water at a fraction of second before waste valve is open, we can say it dump water at the same time with waste valve, so no need to concern. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing. All these resources surrounding us, and most doesn't know how to take advantage of it
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Now your talking Gilbert....that`s the way to go....no solar....no gas pump.....just do it the old way....that could probably water your garden with the sprinkler and even feed your fish pound.....dirty water for the activation and the clean river water on the push side.....you did a great job with this pump....did you now you can still buy the old ram Pumps the way the use to build then....when we meet we talk more about this.....CHEERS my friend
Thanks Gator. Ya I bet there pretty expensive to buy.
The speed depends on the pressure that you need. Slowing it down will give you more pressure but less volume
Good you mentioned the different speed.
You could use that to fill up tanks uphill and water your lawn? :)
That is a thing of beauty. Thank you. Lots of great usable info. Thank you
Soon i quit my job i will start farming and i get this idea to my farming plans
The hole that you created is energy lost
Never seen anyone drill a hole in their check valves and they all seem to work well with out it.
It's an attempt at making a snifter... but not a very good one. You need a reed valve or similar so that it closes whent the water is pushing on it and opens to let a little air in to prevent water from displacing the air in the pressure tank. As also mentioned below it can help to put a check valve in the pipe going uphill to reduce back pressure.
Without snifter valve the pressure tank will be full of water that's why they are putting bicycle tube fiiled with air to serve as bladder.
Amazing, I’m gonna build one. Thanks for the vid
Dont drill the hole not needed
I watched it again Gilbert and it's just fascinating that this works.....I find you did real,great on this one....CHEERS
Thanks Gator! I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and Happy new year!
@@frenchriversprings Same thing goes your way Gilbert....I won`t be around till Spring I think....stay away from the big city....don`t catch the covid....CHEERS
Been a Michigan driller for over 50 yrs and still can't figure out how that thing pumps water!!!😏
all for the out house bidet
only thing i could suggest is putting a valve between the supply and pump to make it easier to change/maintain your pump. good video though.
Impressive and very helpful. Thank you. You've made my day.
Your welcome and glad it helped you
@@frenchriversprings 9 o
@@frenchriversprings gov will have all heads for this tech thay teach us that we always have loss but never talk about
the converted gain we can make from eletromagnets
if u convert all the wast thermal energy around
you u can use it universally as energy u need a true sine wave bipolar like the power comp dose a
true pure sinewave like a grid tie inverter
once the signal is made the system will turn on and
consume wast thermal energy from the
environment and space around you... there is free energy but
it comes from Universal thermal loss and converted into a gain. so a pole Transformer and a
microwave Transformer have a common between each other u can take 2 microwave Transformer provide
a pure sine wave grid tie inverter to it or a true bipolar sinewave that inter acts with nature in
a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source
signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note
that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing
1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self
2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same
face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the
Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its
perfect spherical motion to converted wast thermal energy to amp for u hot to cold in to out...
should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the
environment...this is my work a compilation of Otis car. Tesla. and many other very smart people
nowadays i think i found the gate source and drainif this gets out to much that it works the
power
comp and mib will have our headsdont do this at home warning high voltage yet i cant stop u lol DO
NOT TOCH THE CORES OR THE WIRES OK u will die make sure u dont touch the core if the hi wire is
mounted to it u dont have to mount the hi on the core if u dont want u connect the 1 hi wire to
the same side hi on the other transformer then the core should besafe to handle if nessary
grab your multimeter and prove me wrong
thats what u do i have my whole home on this
and u can take
one of the lows side out the wall and hook it up to other stuff and power it for verry little amp
makeing nature convert and pumping latent heat effect into the device.
and u can have a microwave
hi volt cap in between the hi side and make a system that powers its self
u can flip the switch on
ur breaker and the room stays on up to 2kva
with both lows in the wall this is the zero point that
was taken from us...
@@frenchriversprings gov will have all heads for this tech thay teach us that we always have loss but never talk about
the converted gain we can make from eletromagnets
if u convert all the wast thermal energy around
you u can use it universally as energy u need a true sine wave bipolar like the power comp dose a
true pure sinewave like a grid tie inverter
once the signal is made the system will turn on and
consume wast thermal energy from the
environment and space around you... there is free energy but
it comes from Universal thermal loss and converted into a gain. so a pole Transformer and a
microwave Transformer have a common between each other u can take 2 microwave Transformer provide
a pure sine wave grid tie inverter to it or a true bipolar sinewave that inter acts with nature in
a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source
signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note
that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing
1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self
2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same
face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the
Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its
perfect spherical motion to converted wast thermal energy to amp for u hot to cold in to out...
should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the
environment...this is my work a compilation of Otis car. Tesla. and many other very smart people
nowadays i think i found the gate source and drainif this gets out to much that it works the
power
comp and mib will have our headsdont do this at home warning high voltage yet i cant stop u lol DO
NOT TOCH THE CORES OR THE WIRES OK u will die make sure u dont touch the core if the hi wire is
mounted to it u dont have to mount the hi on the core if u dont want u connect the 1 hi wire to
the same side hi on the other transformer then the core should besafe to handle if nessary
grab your multimeter and prove me wrong
thats what u do i have my whole home on this
and u can take
one of the lows side out the wall and hook it up to other stuff and power it for verry little amp
makeing nature convert and pumping latent heat effect into the device.
and u can have a microwave
hi volt cap in between the hi side and make a system that powers its self
u can flip the switch on
ur breaker and the room stays on up to 2kva
with both lows in the wall this is the zero point that
was taken from us...
@@frenchriversprings gov will have all heads for this tech thay teach us that we always have loss but never talk about
the converted gain we can make from eletromagnets
if u convert all the wast thermal energy around
you u can use it universally as energy u need a true sine wave bipolar like the power comp dose a
true pure sinewave like a grid tie inverter
once the signal is made the system will turn on and
consume wast thermal energy from the
environment and space around you... there is free energy but
it comes from Universal thermal loss and converted into a gain. so a pole Transformer and a
microwave Transformer have a common between each other u can take 2 microwave Transformer provide
a pure sine wave grid tie inverter to it or a true bipolar sinewave that inter acts with nature in
a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source
signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note
that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing
1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self
2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same
face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the
Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its
perfect spherical motion to converted wast thermal energy to amp for u hot to cold in to out...
should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the
environment...this is my work a compilation of Otis car. Tesla. and many other very smart people
nowadays i think i found the gate source and drainif this gets out to much that it works the
power
comp and mib will have our headsdont do this at home warning high voltage yet i cant stop u lol DO
NOT TOCH THE CORES OR THE WIRES OK u will die make sure u dont touch the core if the hi wire is
mounted to it u dont have to mount the hi on the core if u dont want u connect the 1 hi wire to
the same side hi on the other transformer then the core should besafe to handle if nessary
grab your multimeter and prove me wrong
thats what u do i have my whole home on this
and u can take
one of the lows side out the wall and hook it up to other stuff and power it for verry little amp
makeing nature convert and pumping latent heat effect into the device.
and u can have a microwave
hi volt cap in between the hi side and make a system that powers its self
u can flip the switch on
ur breaker and the room stays on up to 2kva
with both lows in the wall this is the zero point that
was taken from us...
Great flow
Nature is fascinating, and engineers ideas to use natures energy without adding new energy at all is even more fascinating - human spirit, thats what it's all about!
The hydrologic water ram was invented in the 1740s to blow up balloons in england technically speaking not any new technology. Just thought that may spark a bit of intrest in history
I was having a issue with the same type of check valve here, but now i see it's because i started with the other design when everything is in line. I get good pressure and flow, but cant get the check valve to work. I also used a plastic check for the pressure tube.
When I first set it up, it blew the pressure tube off the rubber reducer attached with hose clamps. I had to add 2 clamps to each end. Its like 30 or 40 psi!
An alternate method might be to have a weight holding the valve open. The weight could be varied.
EXCELLENT, VERY WELL EXPLAINED. THE LIKE GOES
finally I have found the detail description how it does work, thank you! 😹😹😹
The hole is a waste of pressure, you don't need the spring in the exhaust valve.
Before i am wandering why did you take out the spring on your check valve, lately I realize that without removing a spring sometimes the ram pump is malfuctioning or stop,. I decided to remove the spring from my checkvalve of my ramp pump, it is much more better.
Yea, I have seen a lot of pumps made with stock valves with the spring load kept as is. But I guess when the pump is running, the water is doing the work of opening and closing, and the spring can just get in the way a bit. Either way will usually work I would guess, but you probably get a bit more flow without the spring, once you get it running. I think I would leave mine in if it was working good enough just because it would make priming easier to have that slight pressure for the water to work on.
Wonder if you could use this to fill a reservoir to run a small hydro generator off of for backup power
Good idea,but I would be concerned about not enough water being moved to supply a generator with a reasonable out put. It could be used as a way to fill a back up water supply tower, to feed the house's supply should the power go out
if you have flowing water, you'll just lose some energy to the pump's inefficiency. so you're probably better off if you just put the generator directly on the water source.
"Dune"...
Be careful not to summon a sand-worm.
Walk irregularly!
hahahahahaahaha Dune
not too many got that reference.
Holy cow he made a thumper!
VI Tinker Tank 👀
If there is water in a ditch without flow, can you use a ram pump to send water? Or it is necessary to have flow in order to work? What if the black tank was already filled with water at the beginning?
some late information. as a result of the supply-side flow restriction the pump causes, , the (per-second) flow rate out of the source (at this point in the system) will be Reduced. cheers
Thanks for showing all the parts.
On a significantly larger scale, I have seen a dam with water going through a turbine connected to the shaft of a centrifugal pump. Like in this case, you're using water going downhill to push water uphill. Clearly there will be inefficiencies, but the concept works.
I had built one and looking for a place to put in
Lay the delivery pipe back down and set the ram pump back on in vertical position with the delivery lying down as it was? If you do that you wouldn’t have to wait for water level to rise? I’m just asking...
Amazing video. Impressed to the max.
very educational
water source (the lake etc) is below both the valves? how did it initially pump the water into the valves in the first place?
Worlds fastest tutorial ever.
Put a water cut off valve on the discharge so u will have more pressure and more volume coming uphill
U will be able to regulate your discharge
Great presentation
Impressive and helpful. I would like to understand what your hooking your ram pump to? Did you dig a well? How is it pressurized?
He said it's a Springwell.
A big constant of the valve speed would the volume or air space in the pressure tank
Very good job.
nice design! thanks for the info
I have several questions. 1- Can you tell what should be the ratio of the diameter of the outlet pipe to the inlet? 2- There are some other types of check valves that do not have a spring and have a hinge and pivot on one side, and based on their weight, the valve opens and closes, and they do not need a base in the middle of the valve to install the door of valve. Doesn't the middle diagonal bar of the valve make resistance against water? What is their disadvantage compared to this type? thanks
Good job ,this ram pump is used in Philippine to help poor folks who do not have to travel down the hill to get the water
mohamed sheikh True! Also for anybody who are living off-grid, you don’t have to be poor, perhaps you own a parcel of land with a stream or river then this wonderful ancients technology could come very handy indeed.
There are only two moving parts on a ram pump for anyone that wants to make one
There goes all the peace & serenity.
yeah,,, hope it is on HIS land,,,
How much pressure was in the natural spring before installing the pump & how far uphill would it push the water?
If you turned the pipe back on its side like when you found it. Would you have more pressure? Because its lower on the water table?
Dg
probably a little bit every foot of head pressure you have above the ram pump means more potential lift...
ofc
I replied before I read all comments, I was wondering the same thing.
Is it 1 meter height pushes 15 meters height up a hill?
Its prox 700 gal every 24 hours
Which is good only for house
if you need more water
for gardening you need solar pump same time
After that no more worries solar panel + solar pump that’s another good thing to have one
Is there a way to insert a ballon filled with air inside big black pipe? maybe at construction stage? if the cap is threaded then you can remove the ballon if you suspect air pressure loss. just throwing ideas
GOOD JOB JOE
This is also good for scaring birds
you've given me an idea of putting a tiny one-way valve at the tiny hole to draw air but disallow water out
There is a valve for that called a snifter valve
good Id
but the water and pressure loss is so small its not affecting the system
will not warry about that.
Well done
I will try and build one
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Nice video full of information about rp thanks bro
Very interesting! Perpetual pumping without any cost, except the original cost.
There is a cost, all that water lost. Super inefficient. Though the water is dropping into its original path. Still very cool though.
I saw a vid saying that you get 10% of the water lost to go uphill where you need from the downhill flow/push....and yeah, you said it best, the water still goes to it's original path (minus the 10% for your own uphill water needs)
Slowburn well i guess that's why it's only used in natural springs.. :)
Not just springs, any flow of water with a few feet of drop
@@slowburntm3584 but technically you are not losing any water because u never gained it q:
Why is it not possible to put this pump into a closed loop system and continually pump water to the top of a hydro generator for a positive yeilding electrical system?
You would need an awful lot of water to sustain that. It might be ok to run a generator for a few hours a day, but not sustained, and I don't think it is feasable on a commercial level. But, theoretically I guess you could. It would be ugly and noisy and you would either need a gazillion pumps or some huge ones.
Good job 👍
you would get a lot more water if you weighted the brass valve so it did not pulse so fast.....but then you will be faced with the brass valve stem breaking off from the valve head as brass cannot take the endless pounding of the valve falling back down with the weights on it. You will also benefit by going to as much steel as possible as brass fittings will eventually split.
Using springs also will not work for very long as the springs cannot take the endless compression/decompression and they will soon break. Believe me I know.....been there done all that.......watch the " Dougs ram pump" series as I cover most of these problems.
You'll get more water by destroying the valve. Good advice there, buddy
Excellent video, Greetings from Venezuela, you can send me a drawing of how the valves would look after the change, thanks in advance
Good Job, nicely done
Good demo.
2 wraps of teflon is plenty, you can crack the PVC or even brass like an egg with too much tape. Dont prime everything at the same time because wet primer helps to soften the glue joint so the fitting slips on smooth enough to push the socket in all the way, give it a 1/8-1/4 turn and hold in place for 30 seconds....or just read the glue can like a sensible person....and dont stick a dam screw driver in your mouth. If you really cant come up with a lousy $5 bicycle pump then take the valve stem out until its fully inflated and put your finger over the hole while you prepare to quickly put the stem back in.
Great job for first time project. What is the local government and environmental protection agency have to say about these over 100k years inventions? Are they will soon making new law? Thanks for sharing video.
😊 third remark is the noise level it’s quite loud because the tube is not insulated and it’s only because of the valve underneath it that the black tube that the overpressure tube that are tube bushes should out and makes that noise and is there a solution to make it more ease to the ear 👂.
Maybe make a list of materials used and show that's how to put them together because the only thing I learned was how to take a spring out of a valve
Good job daddy!!!!!!
wow! wow! thank you a lot for sharing. God bless you more.
You can find something like this on the Avasva page. Full step-by-step instructions right on your desk.
Nice design, like the air hole to maintain air pressure. Can you tell me how many gallons per minute it pumps, assume this a 2” pump? Thanks
you need a strong pressure from the incoming water in order to gain lift
It's utilizing the water hammer effect to get that sharp rise in pressure
Jordan Robberecht yep
Very useful for farming
I am not conviced about the pinhole under the pressure valve. If you want more air volume in your pressure tank just put an air fitting at the top of the sealed pressure tank and top it off with compressed air. But I wouldnt bother, you could actually deprime your pump if you're not careful. If you want more air volume, just make your pressure tank longer and higher. It seems like you would lose as much as you gain with that, while also reducing the hammer effect that makes the whole thing work. Remember, that is the high pressure side during the pulse. You are just taking pressure out of the pulse. Databyter
The pinhole to replenish air in the pressure tank is a part of the original design by Montgolfier brothers.
No need to drill snifter if you can use a pressure tank with bladder
Stuff a small bicycle tube in the stand pipe