Destiny - Building a Brave New World (GDC Presentation)
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GDC Presentation
Featuring:
Christopher Barrett (Art Director)
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Joseph Staten (Writer and Design Director)
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Game: Destiny
Developer: Bungie, Inc. - bungie.net
Publisher: Activision Publishing, Inc. - activision.com
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Originally Streamed Live by GameSpot 02/28/13 at the Game Developer's Conference 2013
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This ladies and gentlemen is the game we never and will never get to play.
R.I.P Original Destiny
You could have changed the world.
Clyde Hasz what game is this? never heard of it before. is it a new bungie game?
+Clyde Hasz It's all there. Staten just wasn't there to explain it to us. 19:38 24:53
Here is the true source of our problems: 32:00 *-* 34:10 .
The Science Fiction clashes with the Science Fantasy in Destiny and often without transition or explanation.
Everything about the game is so ambiguous and vague, it confuses players. Bungie fans are used to a rich narrative. Story telling 101 is that you need to set boundaries and limits, rules for every element. Like in Terminator 2, it was established that the T-1000 can't change its mass or form complex moving parts. It paints the picture and explains new concepts for viewers. When you have artists passing off little things as simply "It's his soul exploding", they are already limiting their own creativity by failing to go that extra mile. Staten's approach would have created more depth and background for the characters (which seem to be HIVE). How ironic.
more and more I am starting to believe this game never had any real cohesive foundation to begin with, the game we thought it would be never existed and never could exist. It's simply impossible.
Anyone else really want to see that Fantasy game from that concept art made. Really badly.
yeah you will in a few years it is called Matter and bungie are making it right now.
@@greggkenshin360 no they aren’t lmao, they’re making an Overwatch/ Valerent hero shooter, it’s supposed to be all fluffy and cartoony and just a monetization money grab
@@theantianimeassociation7574 are you sure thats just Marathon and not matter?
@@seancarley2335 Marathon is a different game, they have cartoony fantasy concept art for a separate project
"What does gold look like next to an assault rifle?"
"It looks awesome."
"Especially if the gold is blue."
"... Yes!"
What a beautiful amount of excitement and enthusiasm from this team.
I understand this reference!
Yeah I miss these nerds, they knew how to design a game, and revolutionize multiplayer as we know it... and had a since of humor, and humbleness you just don't see.
RIP Bungie 1991-2013
Can only wish the best for these old devs, as they explore the Indi market...
Richard Harrow
Derik NA The fellow on the right has worked for Bungie this entire time. 😂
It saddens me that Destiny went through development changes in 2014. I feel sorry for Joe Staten. I'm sure he put a lot of hard work including others, building this rich story line but something happened down the road. And that is why Joe Staten quit. His story would become altered and he felt like he had no part in this universe anymore. I hope he tells us why he truly quit Bungie. What happened during that time? Was it Activision?
Probably an influx of resources from Activision caused a lack of organization. They might have had to pull a Halo 2 and chop some stuff out. I'm confident that after Staten left, their new writer gutted the story severely.
@@BungieStudios Aka Luke Smith who had a "casual" take on the game, and even went as far as retconning Destiny 1 lore due to their incompetence.
@@sir_gort Luke Smith wasn't even in a position of power at that time lmao
@@BungieStudios Le evil Activision did EVERYTHING!!!
@@Gerkion1994he was you can read a article about how he and other top bungie employees got together to kill this story
"But I'm not allowed to talk about those yet"
It took another 4 years for us to even see them, then another 2 for us to see one face to face, and this year we might just finally get a shot at fighting them. But nothing will live up to that image.
timestamp? what?
@@zekerdeath At the 24 minute mark Chris Barret says that regarding concept art of the Pyramid Ships.
Still waiting to fight the darkness
@@tardwrangler1019 Its funny, IIRC I wrote this during Season of Arrivals expecting us to maybe get a taste of the true Darkness in Beyond Light. But nope, a year down the line and MAYBE we'll get a shot in Witch Queen's raid. With all the time its taken, all the hype, the true Darkness better be the best thing Destiny has ever delivered.
@@zanolsena It will either be in the raid or directly in Lightfall.
The game I always wanted, is the game that will never get made.
If Joe had stayed, this game would be the greatest game of all time
Chris Franz no, no it would not, it would have been better. Being he took the story with him to flip, the man off as he left with a good bunch of the employees of bungie.
Bungie has always been, rebellious we've seen it with Microsoft, issue is they went from the greedy hands of Microsoft, to the hands of the devil.
Actually, Joe should have stayed, but it is understandable why he left. Activision made Statin rewrite the story over like 3 times cause they didn’t like his vision for Destiny, so Activision forced Joe Statin to quit and have taken over Creative Control of Destiny and now Destiny is a shithole now. Bungie would have had much more freedom with Digital Extremes that publishes Warframe.
@@ResidentRecon89 it's sad to see that all the true fans of the game that we were promised in videos like this have evaporated from the game essentially, since it's become nothing like the game we once saw. Destiny 2 is trash and caters to a young and childish demographic that doesn't require much brain power to play. The visuals and sounds are also awful once Staten and Marty left. You can really see the legacy Marty left on the first game with his incredible scores that give you that nostalgic feeling even when listening to them today.
Sad to see, and I doubt there will ever be a game like this ever again. To say that this could've been the greatest game of all time is an understatement. This game was destined for glory man...
@@haandawg Jesus christ the amount of nostalgia that blinds you, the game is still amazing and the music is probably the best OST a game has ever had, Michael Salvatori is a fucking genius, you should hear Journey or Penumbra, even the remixed OST of the planets with the darkness theme it's amazing, they always play with the motifs and make an amazing soundtrack
@@Gerkion1994 I'll give you that, Journey is a phenomenal track and it really is up there with some of the best music for the whole franchise. But I still stand by my word that Destiny 2 isn't even half of what Destiny 1 was. They didn't learn from their mistakes and they actually went backwards in many areas which was sad to see i.e. 4v4 crucible, no random rolls, microtransactions that weren't entirely cosmetic. Even the first DLC- there was so little content it should have been rendered free. I know a lot of these issues have been resolved but it was still 1 step forwards and 3 steps back which upset a lot of the fanbase, myself included. I haven't touched Destiny 2 in months and I much prefer playing Destiny 1 still. Everything about the game is fantastic and I don't know why they abandoned it entirely for Destiny 2.
So cool how they explained the merging of Sci-Fi and Fantasy artistic genres. Brilliant idea, honestly, what a team!
Man, hard to imagine this was mere months before Bungie started to make terrible decisions, perhaps this presentation happened during those events.
I will still stand on this hill: Destiny, conceptually, was and is one of the coolest IPs ever. You could tell they had passion and direction. I for one didn't mind the ambiguity and vague storyline of the finished product AT FIRST, but now that I know what it could have been if Joe was kept on the team, I just feel disappointed in Jason and Bungie Senior Management.
Here's to a fantastic IP which failed in its execution, for the most part.
Agreed. A nice mix of wonder, sci-fi and gloom, Destiny on paper was to be a insanely good franchise.
Years later, and it's still such a shame that it is now a marvel movie basically.
Hell, when they were talking about the center of the world being a city under the Traveler and said that you give people just enough detail and freedom to fill the holes with their own ideas (and added that they tend to come up with something much better) - they just affirmed something I thought about Bungie the whole time. I felt it in every Halo game - they left much for imagination and it made the game so much better.
Watching this hurt, alot.
Tears, for what could have been...
How far it's fallen. I'd give a lung to get the whole original story from Joe, and I'd give the other lung to have the original game.
as an aspiring novelist creating his own fantasy sci-fi world from the ground up, this video is golden. Love the direction Bungie is going and hope this project is a great success.
how are you doing now?
@@shinhook2k280they died
Anyone notice that the hunter concept displayed each version of the hunters in Destiny so far? 1st Hunter-Vanilla 2nd-Dark Below 3rd-House of Wolves and the last one was the design for The Taken King. Woah.
it was the same for all three classes
listen at 4:30
this is why bungie is the best. the superior game company. they really care about having players intrigued with their work for a long time.
doesnt' everybody? I think what you mean is that they just do it better
Fenris17
well i don't think (and im not a fanboy of any other game) the makers of cod adjust and listen to their community. but maybe they do, and maybe you are right, that bungie just "does" it better. what ever way you slice it, i believe bungie can make a brand new game with strong support behind it, and have a terrific end result!
How's that working out for you now?
@@ericd.morgan2508 Good.
@@ginopippofrebooter-ilrinne2881 I'll document this
If only for Staten, this franchise would have been so different by now.
This is all Activision's fault. I'm sure of it. These are the people who created Halo, arguably the greatest video game franchise in history. They would never let us down like this unless there was heavy negative influence from, say, a greedy publishing company?
How is it Activision's fault? They only funded the game. Bungie partnered with them for the reason so as not to have the publisher interfere like Microsoft always tried to do with Halo.
Here is the true source of our problems: 32:00 *-* 34:10 .
The Science Fiction clashes with the Science Fantasy in Destiny and
often without transition or explanation.
Everything about the game is so ambiguous and vague, it confuses
players. Bungie fans are used to a rich narrative. Story telling 101 is
that you need to set boundaries and limits, rules for every element.
Like in Terminator 2, it was established that the T-1000 can't change
its mass or form complex moving parts. It paints the picture and
explains new concepts for viewers. When you have artists passing off
little things as simply "It's his soul exploding", they are already
limiting their own creativity by failing to go that extra mile. Staten's
approach would have created more depth and background for the
characters (which seem to be HIVE). How ironic.
+HaloModder555 actually he's right. Every bit of it is activision's fault, but maybe some of it comes from the sci-fi clash. But reason being, activision takes all of this juicy content they put years into developing, take out all of the awesome details that made this game what it used to be, cut out like half the story and sell it all as DLC. Three letters that activision love.
logsterr912 That was Bungie's fault entirely. Staten and his team presented JJ and the ancients a whole story outline/roadmap for the game, and what does he do? Criticize the entire thing and tear it apart to make it less linear and more open. Staten quits soon after and JJ appoints other employees to oversee and piece the mess together. They described it as game designers doing a writer's job. They hire some no name to fix the story in the form of grimoire cards (he quits after launch). Then we had the mess Destiny is today.
Taken King comes and presents its story in a more linear fashion than before. It was more influenced by Staten's remaining team members. After Taken King's release, many of those same members left Bungie. It's a big success and praised by the community for improving on the story presentation.
Last I heard, Staten was consulting for the Game of Thrones title from his perch at MGS.
I don't know. I'm starting to think some of the foundational ideas behind Destiny were just always incompatible with compelling storytelling, like the whole shared world "a million heroes" and fuzzy visual cohesion... it's too bad. We all thought there was a game here, but the development hell probably went much further than we thought it did.
5 years later... and we know it was bungie. bungies internal clashing and incompetence ..
Visiting again in 2022 as a D1beta player .
TIGER MAN WILL TAKE HIS REVENGE
Eight years later, he has…
@@ChaseSeaborne context?
@@EarthScienceEnjoyer there’s an Ornament for the helmet in Destiny 2 that’s basically the Tiger Man’s face.
I still feel pissed after watching this. Damn the bungie higher ups for changing everything and damn Activision for pushing more unnecessary bs
The true flaw of destiny is that you are are surrounded by darkness, and stand as a savior of a nearly extinct civilization, yet everything feels so light. There should be a Lord of the Rings, dark/ominous vibe throughout the entire game. It should feel like you are on the edge of losing hope, not comical and cheery. As a "T" rates game, it never stood a chance, but in the future titles, it needs to feel like you got dropped into a futuristic/apocalyptic dark souls.
It was like that. They dropped it all unfortunately. That's why the guy that was on this conference left bungie after 20 years.
*****
Not even. He went to work for MGS and the Game of Thrones game. He MIGHT end up in the subdivision of 343. Probably wouldn't have much effect. The Halo story took a 90 degree turn in the wrong direction.
They wanted to put you in a post apocalyptic world that feels like theres hope left
OST used at 50:13 has finaly been used for the game! In the final shape ost called After All This Time. Great callback.
I WANT MY TIGER MAN!
i don't know about everyone else but im going to love taking my time with this game. it's the M.M.O shooter i have always wanted :). hope everyone else who's planning on getting the game enjoys it as well. ill see you in the city ;D
so how is it?
@@optimalchoptelevision Good.
It's fun to see all the things that have changed from this presentation. I just hope the game is huge with plenty of location on every planet.
the game is 40 gigabytes hope that gives you clue
@@nickcontreras7368lmao
4 planets with small areas and no story plot
buy the rest as dlc
summed up pretty much what bungie never told us ****
free? link?
this was last year they did this. sadly they went through development changes in 2014
And the DLC content is already on the disc...you just can't access it until you hand over more money! And wait even longer... Mine's on eBay now. It's certainly a good game, just not the great game we were promised.
And yet I still love this game
mikes5637 You're partially right. The stuff on the disk is unfinished. Empty maps, junk like that. Completely unusable anyway. Not like there's anything to play or equip.
I feel like Destiny has been moving away from its fantasy elements the past few years, I hope they can reignite that spark, I’d love the higher ups at bungie could patch things up Joseph Staten and maybe have him return to Destiny after he wraps Halo Infinite
After Jason Jones called for that story rewrite Staten will never ever work for Bungie again
Crazy going back to this after seeing post-credits scene in Destiny 2.
Carlos Hernandez Tell me about it
" the problem with the artist, is that when given a mission based game, you dont get to appreciate the art and time an artist put into its scenery. Whats the point in putting a player in a game where they didnt want to be around in?"
what happened to that?
fuck you
@@user-73a What a username you got there. Just a little ray of sunshine, aren't you?
@@GridSludge yeah 👍
[25:26] Confirmed: Oprah Winfrey's ghost was a Raid boss in Old Chicago.
Lmfao
Poor Joseph man, I really really wonder how things would've been had they not messed things up with him (just to see how everything would've turned out, for better or worse). AND if somehow, hypothetically, he was still working with the Bungie team, he wouldn't be working with the guys at 343, makes me wonder then how H: Infinite would've turned out near the end since 343 brung him on the team. Unfortunate that right now 343 seems to be struggling when it comes to needing workers, things aren't going so great. (a tad off topic, but oh well, seems Joseph can't get a break wherever he goes)
And then it launched, and there was no story, no time to explain the story and no time to explain why they didn't have time to explain.
I remember Engrams could pop DOWN in rareness
It's amazing Destiny didn't flatline in year 1 and I'm legit shocked that it ever managed to be successful.
We'll always be here.
Anyone notice on the gear sets the fourth is the TTK Vanguard and Crucible gear, and on the Warlock the 2nd helmet is the Spektar Hood.
Isn't it funny? When Joe presented the higher ups with the "super cut" of his original story vision, they complained that it was (allegedly) too messy and too complex for the players (thanks for insulting my intelligence, Bungie & Activision). Yeah, right. As if the story we got in the final games was any good AT ALL. Fuck you, Bungie & Activision. Firing Joe Staten only because you thought that your fanbase was a bunch of 6-year-olds who would rather listen to corny jokes (looking at you, Destiny 2) was the death sentence for this franchise. You tried fixing it, but now, the franchise truly is dead. Especially since Eververse is now basically the endgame. Give me a fucking break.
This comment aged like fine milk lmao
@@davida1229 How so?
@@sovl2178Does Destiny look like a Dead Franchise to you?
@@davida1229It’s always funny how people have been declaring Destiny’s death for the past decade. All this nay-saying, just for the game to live on, and it pisses them off to the point where they pray on its downfall. I’ve never seen a video game live in so many people’s heads rent-free.
@@davida1229 now THIS comment aged like fine milk
39:30 I almost spray painted my room with apple juice when I saw the 'Awoken' templates.
This is still amazing. Best GDC panel ever.
You're mistaking mixing and pairing
Pairing is when you put two things together, side by side, like a castle in space
But
A mix, is when you combine the two together, like you're preparing a sauce
Like a floating fortification
Im going to regret watching this, this was around the time of bungies death, and im depressed that as of october 17, 2017, another good game developing company has befallen such a fate
I miss Bungie...these guys were awesome, truly an inspiration to the industry.
Fuck Activision and EA, these publishers can rot!
24:03 after 7 years the silence has broken
Yeah geez
Man the jobs in the video game industry like being a concept artist or a game programmer are fucking difficult, but also far out. I used to be interested in the product, I'm more interested in the development now. These guys are hard working and wired for this sort of stuff. Best of luck to their team. I hope I get to be part of the video game development network and help build the infrastructure for a virtual experience one day.
Someone needs to make THIS game ^^^
And call it something like: Not Destiny
Cuz that word now has a sickening bad reputation
Demitraxis Knifelord Definitely, shame the Destiny title went to waste though
It’s sad to see all of these people ecstatic for a game that never came out.
This looks so cool, the concept art was AMAZING if they could mimic half that and bring it back today it would spark another run for the game
who saw this after the Destiny 2 trailer ?
9:38 what happened to that? please tell me.
Really what this game should have been.
I want this so bad
I don't care how long this Game will take to be made, as long as they make it Stunning well even more stunning
The hive remind me of clickers from the last of us more than they remind me of zombies. They still looks friggin incredible and I think this will be an incredible game.
this game is freaking amazing.
Big challenge: Populating your world
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Jeez, after watching this again after release it's apparent that we got a husk of a game.
I can't even take in the massive magnitude of this game. It is not an open world, its an open solar system. The idea of a mythic futuristic world(s) where you can just get in your ship and fly anywhere has to be the most appealing thing for a video game. I get the feeling this game will break new grounds.
You did build a world that mattered.. Unfortunately all that hard work was scraped when Activision watered down what could of been one of the most inspiring games ever.
What did Activision do? They only fund the game.
everyone I know this is really late but, No they have the decision pretty much what is allowed and what isn’t. Hidden Xperia did a really good video on this topic. It’s called “How Activision Destroyed Bungies Destiny”
@@Kill3r12341 thanks bro
this aged poorly. given now that we know how mismanaged d2 has been and how bungie just doesnt create new content anymore since foraken :D
I wish lightfall looked more like this
12:32 That spaceship. It's exactly like one of my dreams, wow. Captures perfectly that idea of "the last of the Humans race going through space in one giant spaceship city". The planet backdrop, the lighting, the colors, everything in that picture is extremely similar to what I dreamed. It had this lonely yet hopeful and inviting look. All that would be missing is the exploration of mysterious and dangerous alien worlds with a feeling of grandeur, mystery and danger to them. The stuff of dreams!
I'm impressed by this game. It hasn't even come out yet and I'd like to play it
12:54 funny how 11 years later we got to see this in game. only took 11 years lol.
This seems like the game i've been waiting my whole life for!
This is open world with a different dynamic of the word "open". When I mean that I mean it will be open, but there will be enclosed missions and then public "join by walking into it" missions.
so another words like demon soul kinda?
Never played Demon Souls.
Part of me had doubts about this game given its scope and its ambition, but that part has been put to rest. Its easy to tell that Bungie has really put their heart and soul into this project, and it clearly shows.
23:44 A FUCKING DEAD FOREST ON MARS?? WHAT HAPPENED???
Jason happened.
i was thinking i was just gonna skip around on this video. get an idea.... i watched the whole damn thing. DAMN. this shit makes me excited
Kinda reminds me of the Movie Krull was a great Scfi mixed with Knights I miss movies like that. Cant wait to play Destiny
Did you play Blood Dragoon it had an Krull Reference... and a ton of other 80/90's References :D
no i have not but Destiny has several things I've noticed that reference some new and old scifi The fallen look like Wolf Spiders. the Hive remind me of Krull, the Cabal look like some one took a Halo Grunt and bread it with a rhino, the hive tomb ships look like the ships from chronicles of riddick.
i hope that the game evolves so that players will become legends and basically if you are a complete beast you'll be famous
What the fuck happened?
Activision happened.
FUCK!!! If only we got that game
From what they saying i think it might be kind of like Guild Wars 1 where you got hub places when everyone can meet and in world you can only play with party, but with diffrence that it will be selected locations also in diffrent planets you can go to insted of joined world
Destiny 2 Expansions are Osiris and Rasputin themed. I hope Bungie can make justice to Statem original vision of Destiny. Not the chopped, weird thing we got instead.
Luis Herrera yeah about that...
@@somlagentblaugrana8453 Destiny 2 is really good right now but god damn those 2 dlc were fucking terrible ahaha
Did I just hear Destiny wanted exploration and twists and turns?.. Lol maybe through dlc
man.... exploring not few planets but galaxies with friends is gonna be great !
Maybe if we gave them another year, destiny could have turned out like this breath taking concept art. Another year could have let them focus on story (although I believe they should have not even made a story, so you could make your own given some backstory. Like being told how and where you were raised and why you joined the guardians.) but one thing I want more than a better story is more places to go. That frozen city, the Martian forest. Those decaying space ships stuck in orbit. Stuff like that. Also more lore.
No. Bungie and Activision rejected Staten's story.
I don't think I'd be able to play this game, I'd never get past the character creation. This game is going to be so awesome.
I'm hoping Tiger-man has a cameo appearance, like he's the last of his race or something and you get an epic tiger-class item related to you're character based on race and class.
Amazing game... the beta is godlike and the actual game is going to be just....amazing job bungie!
aged like milk huh
It's hard to believe that this game will come out September... I can't wait that long!!
It didnt
According to an article in GI, they are planning on doing that, completely seamlessly.
Makes sense. I think its confirmed but I don't know for sure. Destiny seems like a new experience that they want to share with everyone.
maybe i when a step to far by saying the Universe, but the Galaxy, that's still a big job can't wait for this game.
Let's make all of the cool places back drops.
The greatest names for weapons are in Destiny, and numerous greats too.
this is gonna be the biggest game of console history its so huge and beautiful. and with game updates and such it will keep growing. cant wait to play this :)
if i can make my hunter look like boba fett, im sold.
Dunno man, the Warlock class of this game SOUNDS goofy, but it looks like it's been executed extremely well.
This is crazy, my cousin is getting married to Chris Barrett
Can you ask him if he misses Joseph Staten's vision for Destiny? Tell him he did a great job on the art
bitter loser Ok lol
@@jlgonthebeatdid you ask?
One of the Bungie directors said something along the lines of "Noone wants to use mouse and keyboard in FPS games anymore, thanks to us."
Mass Effect meets Lord of the Rings with a slight anime undertone in the form of a FPS? Count me in.
'turn off your cell phone to make sure you don't get a text or email or anything'.
i remember when they just use to ring... XD!
They should add it to were you can somehow make a good looking custom gun with parts from other guns and let you name the gun.
Just an example, a popular, successful, great example
From what I heard, it will not be coming out in 2013. Although this game has very very big potential and I'm excited to get my hands on it.
Wish they would add a third person option, they won't, but it would be amazing in my opinion to be able to see you character.
Yeah that's what I'm hoping for. Even if it's more than half a year late, I'd still get to play it with friends which would be better
Its brilliant I think all halo games are brilliant hope it cors on through the next 100 years when im long gone
Can't believe they mentioned anime and now I believe Anime is about to go totally mainstream
... Why the FUCK, was I never notified about this presentation?! This is a great way to finish of the night. Got some rum and coke, and an hour to spare. :)
I will get the nextbox just for this game. They really seem to have taken the Arthur C. Clarke "Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic," approach.
Man, everything that was about to make Destiny great just left so long ago, and we had Pete Parsons just worried about his dumbass cars this whole time.
I would like for them to have sprint in the game. It would make more sense considering the size of the world.
This is why I want to make games