Why are there two Clan Frasers?
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2021
- Many people, especially fans of the Outlander books and television series, have heard of Clan Fraser but most are unaware that there are two Clan Frasers!
Two separate clans, each with their own clan chief and clan crest!
Watch this video to learn how this happened, when it happened and what the position is nowadays! 
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I enjoyed your history of the two Clan Frasers ! Another bit of history about my ancestors homeland. Thank you for all your research and please keep doing videos so I can learn more. Thanks Mike
My pleasure, as usual, Mike. I'll try to keep going! Kind regards, Gordon
I love the honesty and clear message of the history you teach.
Very glad you found the video helpful, Michael! Kind regards, Gordon
This is awesome. I watched the three videos on the Fraser clan and this gave me the most information on stuff I didn’t realize had happened. I love researching my last name and about the Fraser clans in Scotland. The only thing I know is that my family traces back to the Fraser’s of Lovat. I’ve got to do some more digging and hopefully find out more someday. It looks like I have a lot of information to go through and a lot to be proud of between the two clans. Thank you for the history.
Glad it was helpful, Monisa! Kindest regards, Gordon
Hello fellow fraser!
Thank you for learning me abought my anchestors.
Thank you Gordon for sharing your expertise in Scottish history! I will have to watch this again, there is so much background! :-D
Yes, there was so much I had to get in to make sense of it, Laura! It ended up longer than I wanted but didn't want to edit it any further. Glad you enjoyed it! Kind regards, Gordon
Great video on the clan Frazier. It adds to my understanding of Scottish history and how it may relate to my family history.
Thank you very much!
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it! Kind regards, Gordon
Thank you Gordon - cleared up the "Fraser confusion" for me. Loved the Fraser Castle in Aberdeenshire - went to the "Steam Fair" there in 2013!
Yes, it’s a lovely castle, Carol. Kind regards, Gordon
Gordon, Another super history lesson.. Enjoy these so very much....
Glad you enjoyed it, Terry! Kind regards, Gordon
Thank you, very much for this clarification.
My pleasure, I know the situation often confused people! Kind regards, Gordon
Hello Gordon. Ignore my previous comment. I just watched the Fraser of Saltoun video and it has explained it all. Thank you very Much!
My pleasure! Kind regards, Gordon
Gordon, once I Thank you so much for sharing the wonderful history of your country. Always enjoyable. If You should make a travel book with pictures and historical descriptions and directions of all these places you talk about and maybe suggestions of lodging of each I’ll be the first purchaser!!! Maybe something already exists. Also Can you recommend a good history book of Scotland that a good Scot as yourself would approve of. Thx u. Mike
Thank you, Mike, glad you're still enjoying them. I did a small book once (as a giveaway) which listed 50 top historical aspects of Scotland. Maybe I should expand that! Re a good general book about Scotland, I always thought Tom Steel's 'Scotland's Story' was good. Kind regards, Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 where can I get that book you did. Be happy to pay. And thx for the tip on the other. Mike
Thanks Gordon it so nice to know where my ancestors came from my 9th great grandfather was William fraser of Inverness _ shire. He was born 1634.
Excellent! Kind regards, Gordon
Gordon, I'm sorry I've only just watched your video, and very informative it was. I'm a Frazer, though my case spelt with a 'z', though I think you said in am earlier video that exact spelling was not an issue. I live in Corfu, Greece as opposed to Corfu, New York and on high days and holidays I wear my kilt with pride, much to the appreciation of my Greek neighbours. I have seen the Greek soldiers in Athens wearing the 'fustunella' as the kilt is known here. I've also seen some recent suggestion that the fustunella originated in Albania, though I will refrain from comment. I have from my father W&AK Johnston's 1932 edition of the Scottish Clans and their Tartans. This is a fascinating historic document and if you ever chance on a copy it's something I can highly recommend. In the early 1960's I was taken by my grandfather to the Tower of London, where he proudly announced to an expectant crowd that I was/am a direct descendant of Simon, Lord Lovatt the last person to be beheaded there following the '45 rising. I fear I'm still to be seen on home movies throughout Japan, though my father was a Methodist minister so I doubt he would lie! I'm sorry to go on at such length, keep up the good work. Slainte Mhor! Mark
Thanks, Mark. Very interesting! So there's probably many Japanese who recount the time they met a descendant of Lord Lovat at the Tower of London! That's great you still manage to wear the kilt, I too have won mine with pride in other countries. I'll keep my eye open for the book. Kind regards, Gordon
I was wondering if you knew any significance on the Motto “I am ready” for Fraser of Lovat.
If there’s a story or meaning behind it, compared to the old motto. Or the adoption of the Stag on the coat of arms
I have been unable to gain any further information on the crest and motto, Garl. The motto 'Je Suis Prest' is in old French and there is a feeling that the Frasers originally came from France (possibly Normandy). Kind regards, Gordon
Serving in the military has been a great pride for my grandfather and his Fraser ancestors since moving to Canada and even up to the 1900s, there was an Alexander Fraser.
Well done to them, Sue! Kind regards, Gordon
Thank you for this! I am a newly discovered (waaaay back) descendant (what I now know, thanks to your video) of the original Clan Fraser....(10X Great Granddaughter of Hayden Frizzell (1600-1680?), son of Andrew Fraser (1st Laird) and Elizabeth Douglas)! I have always wondered why there were 2 Fraser clans and if they were "interchangable" which I assume they are not even with the common ancestors) and this was extremely enlightening! Can you suggest any, not too dense, books that might get into even a bit more detail on the history of the original Fraser clan?
Glad you found it interesting and helpful, Jamie. There are lots of books on Clan Fraser. Flora Marjory Fraser, the current chief, has one entitled 'Clan Fraser: A History Celebrating Over 800 Years Of The Family In Scotland' but I've not read it. Kind regards, Gordon
Thank you very interesting.
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it! Kind regards, Gordon
Thank you for this I really enjoyed it. If a name descends from MacShimi or son of Simon would you agree that descends from Fraser of Lovat or possible either side of the Clan line?
I remember as a child attending a highland games as a dancer being asked by the organisers
* Fraser* are he a wee feet lass or a strawberry???
I could proudly say I'm a wee deer.
This explains the amount of different Fraser tartans then
Yup, it can get a bit confusing! Kind regards, Gordon
Have you done a video about the Fraser Septs..in particular the Cowies?
Sorry, afraid not! Kind regards, Gordon
Confusion for me aswell. I can trace the family to Sauche Clackmannan in around 1840... I cant find any earlier records here in Australia.. it sounds like they may have been from the original Frasers?
Gaining power and lands through marriage! Where did I go wrong? 😂
Hi Gordon. I really enjoyed this video and it explained a lot surrounding the Fraser Clans which can be confusing for a novice researching their family history. I have an ancestor John Fraser 1630-1697. Born Inverness-Shire Scotland. Married around 1650 to Clara Hamilton 1630-1697. Most of my research indicates his father was Sir James Fraser of Brae
. Born 4 June 1600 Kilmonivaig, Inverness-shire, Scotland however one source says he is not. Might you be able to provide clarity or a source I could use. Based on the research I have done I believe I am part of Frasers of Lovat. Correct?
I would think you would be Fraser of Lovat, Ann, based on the location of your ancestors. Very difficult to establish facts from so long ago. You may need to find a professional genealogy service to help you? Kind regards, Gordon
Omg 😫 I'm a descendant and I'm so confused.. My 4x great grandfather's name is James Fraser, he with his wife Catherine and children migrated to New Zealand via Norman Mccloud to Nova Scotia, Tasmania then on to Waipu NZ.. I think I'm in desperate need of direction.. As far as I know we are Lovat of Fraser going by mum's research and my own research... Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us, it's much appreciated..
Glad you enjoyed it, Kerry. Good luck with your research! Kind regards, Gordon
Hi Gordon, how do I find out which Clan Fraser my Cowie family are connected to? they are a Sept of the Fraser. many thanks Helena
Sorry for the delay in replying, Helena, been really busy recently! I think its going to be quite difficult to do this. It will probably depend on what area of Scotland your Cowie ancestors came from? Kind regards, Gordon
This is so interesting. I already knew that ancestors from my mother's side were The Pinkertons, a sept of Clan Campbell. Recently, Ancestry showed me a DNA update that showed one of my Sample relatives married an Emilia Fraser born 1771 in Scotland. It showed she and her siblings were baptized in Inverness. Her father was a Paul Fraser.
Very interesting, Christine! Kind regards, Gordon
I descend from Alexander down to the 1700s or so.
Excellent!
I know that I'm a lovat Fraser. I'm from a village near Inverness. I've heard a few explanations about the origin of my name, including the Frasers were allies of the Danish Vikings and originated in Friesland.
Not heard that one, David. Often thought the Frasers originated from France, but maybe from further east prior to that? Kind regards, Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 Frieslanders were allies of the Danish Vikings who settled in Normandy.
@@DavidFraser007 Very interesting, David! Kind regards, Gordon
Thank you Gordan for your clarification on the two Fraser clans. I have a question my family is Simpson a sept of Fraser do you know if the Simpsons joined Fraser or Fraser of Lovat?
This is a bit confusing, John. I thought it was Fraser of Lovat, but I have seen it also associated with Clan Fraser. So, sorry, can't be absolutely sure about this (although I would go with Fraser of Lovat!) Kind regards, Gordon
I think thé Simpson sept were with thé Frazers of Lovat
Fraser of lovat.
I read somewhere once that almost all of a Frasier clan was recruited to fight in The French and Indian War, afterwards stayed in the States... subsequently most of the Frasiers in the States being descendants of the forementioned.
I think it is well documented that many of the Fraser Highlanders stayed, Josh, so, yes, many of the Frasers in North America will be descended from those fighting men! Kind regards, Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 Thanks for the reply, I enjoy your channel.... I gotta request Dryfe Sands, being a glutton for punishment and all.
Apparently l have strong connection's to the McKinney Clan who are related to the Frasers. Is McKinney related to the older or younger Clan ?
I think McKinney may be more part of Mackinnon or Mackenzie, Michael?
Mackemy is a sept of the older Fraser Clan. Kind regards, Gordon
Hi Gordon I am a Fraser but am unsure what one of the two I am, would you know how I could find out please?
Not easy, Mark. You would have to research your family to see where originally they came from. Clan Fraser originated in the Borders, but then moved north to the Highlands. When the clan split, the original clan became based primarily in Aberdeenshire and the eastern highlands. Clan Fraser of Lovat, on the other hand, were based in and around Inverness and Loch Ness. Good luck! Kind regards, Gordon
Take a YDNA test at Family Tree DNA, brother. It might not tell you exactly which clan line you descend from since neither of the clan chiefs have done YDNA testing but it will give you an idea if you may possibly be descended from the clan chief line since they were thought be Normans and most likely a branch of I1 or R1b-U106. You can also learn how long your direct paternal line, the line of your father's father's father's father going back thousands and thousands of years, were in Scotland for and what part of Europe they were in before they migrated into Great Britain with the Corded Ware people or perhaps earlier with Cheddar Man's kin. The testing is pretty expensive (around $500 US dollars) but well worth it if you are a history and DNA buff.
Hi Gordon, I am a Frazier. Family stories say we were named by a Danish King as Fraser and were court advisors known as Black Russians.
Interesting, Norman! Kind regards, Gordon
Hey there I’m the 5th great grandson of John Fraser b. 1749 d. 1803
Well done! Kind regards, Gordon
I spoke to a French teacher about the origin of the name and he informed me that the Norman word for a strawberry is "freze", pronounced "fret-zeu. As you know, the Normans were of viking origin so it would be interesting to find out what their word was and how the Norman word came about.
The vikings - Denmark, Norway, Sweden - had/has the same word for strawberries more or less, namely: "jordbær" . Greetings from Denmark
Thanks, Marianne and George. The next time I’m visiting Normandy I’ll try and find out! Kind regards, Gordon
The Normans were a mix of Vikings and Franks, both Germanic peoples, brother Fraser. I'm a Fraser/Frazier who's first Fraser ancestor came to the American colonies via Ulster during the period of the Great Jacobite Rising of 1715. I've done extensive YDNA testing and it appears my paternal Fraser/Frazier line was in the northern part of Great Britain for thousands of years, long before the Normans came. So my direct paternal ancestor probably "became" a Fraser sometime between 1200AD and 1600AD. I am a branch of R1b-L1335/S530 which many DNA researches now believe may have been a Pictish marker. 10% of Scottish men carry this marker while only 0.8% of English men carry it and about 3% of Ulstermen (brought to Ulster from Scotland during the Ulster Plantation period of the 17th Century) carry the SNP however in the rest of Ireland out of over 200 men tested only 1 had this same SNP which makes it highly unlikely that the SNP came to Scotland with the Gaelic Irish Scoti tribe who founded the kingdom of Dal Riata, which eventually, after bloody warfare between the two, united with the Picts to become modern day Scotland.
The clan chief line of the Fraser's, both lines, have never been tested for YDNA but they are likely a branch of I1 or R1b-U106 which are both Norse-Germanic haplogroups, the latter being the haplogroup of most of the royal families of Western Europe such as the Bourbons of France & Spain, the Wettins of Saxe-Coburg from which the current British & Belgian royal families descend as well as the former royal families of Bulgaria & Portugal all are confirmed descendants of this SNP.
Thank you for this excellent video, brother Gordon! As you can probably tell, I love OUR history too!
@Noah Frazier thank you my Frazier brother. Do you know what colony/state your Fraser/Frazier ancestor first came to when they landed in the American Colonies? I have spent many years researching my Frazier's and in the course have learned much about other American Frazier families, mostly that originally lived in the US South, with the exception of some of the Frazier families of Chester County, Pennsylvania who's progenitors were an Alexander Frazier (abt 1690 - abt 1750) and his wife Sarah Coppock (abt 1965 - abt 1750). Many of this Alexander's sons moved down into North Carolina and spread out from there.
A belated Happy Thanksgiving to you as well my brother.
@Noah Frazier I'm pretty sure I came across your Frazier's in my research! Is the John Frazier a John Bernard Frazier (1674-1744) married in 1713 in Carteret County, NC to a Mary Falconer? John was supposedly born in Inverness, Scotland. One thing I have learned researching my family tree is that many people have just copied other peoples' trees over and over again throughout the years which has lead to much confusion. For instance I have only been able to go back to my 2nd Frazier great grandfather with 100% certainty but many of my distant cousins have had his Frazier line going back to the John Bernard Frazier I mentioned but I have proved with DNA and paper trails that that is definitely wrong. The best way to go about making sure your family tree is correct is by taking DNA tests. An autosomal DNA test (like the ones given at Ancestry, 23&Me, etc) can go back about 5 generations, give or take a generation or 2 in different family lines. A YDNA test will give you your father's father's father's father's line i.e. the family line of your surname going back thousands of years and assigning you to a YDNA haplogroup.
This link (youtube won't let me leave the link) is to a book about the Frazer/Frazier families of Granville County, NC. I'm pretty sure your Robert Frazier may be in this book. For years prior to DNA many people assumed that Jeremiah & William Frazer of Granville County, NC were brothers and that a Robert Thompson Frazier SR was the son of Jeremiah Frazer and his supposed wife, Faithy Thompson. Through DNA and extensive research the author had proved that Jeremiah & William were NOT brothers or related plus Robert Thompson Frazier SR (1758-1860) was NOT a son of Jeremiah Frazer and that Jeremiah's wife was NOT Faithy Thompson. However if you go on Ancestry or Family Search or MyHeritage you will still see peoples' family trees with all the old information still in their trees. I know for a fact that Robert Thompson Frazier SR (1758-1860) is either my 3rd great grandfather or 4th great grandfather however I have not found the records that prove which one with 100% certainty but I have over 100 DNA matches with his descendants and they all DNA match with my known Frazier cousins, close and distant cousins.
The book is called "Jeremiah and William Frazer: The Frazers of Granville County, North Carolina". You can find this book online to read for free at Familysearch (dot) org. You will need to register an account on the site but it is free and doesn't require a credit card or anything like that. It;s run through the Jesus Christ Church of Latter Saints. They are the ones who have gone around the world and from city to city in the US digitizing and uploading genealogy records for the past 20 years. There are many many records and family trees at the site that you can search as well for free. But I suggest you read the book when you have the time. I'm almost positive it mentions your Frazier's in it.
I hope this information will be helpful to you my Frazier brother. If you have any questions just ask.
Great video sir,
you said the idea of nations wasn't as defined in this period its about feudal duty, suzerain etc, yet called Wallace a Scottish patriot? Would a minor knight like Wallace see it that way ? Isn't this a later development of legend, nothing wrong with that though
Yes, I tend to agree with you, Luke. The idea of a nation state wasn't really defined then. Kind regards, Gordon
Love your videos 🫶🏻💙🤍
That’s great, Kristen, so glad you enjoy them! Kind regards, Gordon
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The pope also sent Holy oils for the anointing of Kings 🤴, a further sign of legitimacy especially in that time.
Nice to know, Luke. Kind regards, Gordon