My daughter studied forensics at Dundee university under Sue Black.She was always happy to spend extra time with her students but her main attraction,apart of course from her amazing intellect,was her keeness to impart her knowledge.She was an incredible lecturer with the hall always full,not just with her own students but with everyone else from the university,regardless of their course.There was actually an informal waiting list for those not on her courses to attend her lectures.
Dr. Sue Black did not disappoint! She didn't pull punches when giving unexpected evidence. I really enjoy watching her work and she is a consummate scientist. Had I know she was in this I would've watched sooner.
My guess as to why there's a random headless woman in the coffin is that Fraser's clansmen didn't want to turn up back in Inverness without his body. After their efforts to get the real corpse were thwarted, they decided to 'acquire' a headless corpse through either grave robbery or bribery, knowing that by the time it got to Scotland it'd be mostly decomposed anyway, and nobody would be any the wiser.
I have to say that Dan and Sue have made a cracking historical video about Simon the Fox. I never saw the conclusion coming. Several bodies in the one casket and no heads found. The young lady and the others without a skull between them brings more questions than answers. Was something more sinister going on? I guess we'll never know, But bones in a casket in the mausoleum look like they were symbolic, that no one knew for sure until recently if Simon was there or not kept the riddle un answered. Well done HistoryHit, another top production. Many thanks for sharing.
@@dawnlizreads My step-mother mentioned years back how she wondered about getting into that as a career. I think you've helped me choose one of her Christmas gifts this year.
I'm frankly refreshed that these presenters don't engage in wild speculation especially when their assumptions are upended at the. They simply digest the new facts and contemplate.
I worked a bit with sue black at lancaster university. She told me off the first time i met her for calling her 'dame sue' ...because she is ! I was told to just call her 'sue' ! Lovely brilliant woman... in fact i think shes 'baroness sue' now !!
One of your best presentations yet, packed with so much history and entertaining at every turn. Simon Fraser lived quite a life, and was blessed to have such a long one, at that. Interesting fellow. Thanks so much, I really enjoyed this episode. 🇨🇦🇬🇧❤️HH
I'd no real knowledge of this prior to seeing the video. Thanks indeed! Callum is great. Great rhythm, great ornamentation, style, articulation and authenticity. Nice one Dan and team! ⭐👍
@@SlenderMorph1 A property tax issue lol. Had a panic attack which always makes my body hurt. This I was able to focus on though and I’m grateful for that ☺️
To me, one headless body wrapped in funerary shrouds and suffering from ten days worth of decomposition, you aren't going to be examining the corpse that carefully or closely. The wily and opportunistic undertaker gets rid of a body of a nobody by removing their head, giving that to the Fraser's and returns the original body to the crown to keep in favour. Then you get a nobody being essentially someone, a great irony.
At the start we learnt that a body was switched in London. Lord Lovett is buried in London. The switched body had the head removed and then was transported to Scotland.
It's very unusal to cut off a head right between the vertebrae, with an axe. Anyone taking a head off with a knife would go between the joints, (ex game butcher here). I'd be interested to know whether there were any cut marks on the female's cervical vertebrae. Great show btw. Fascinating!
this is right on my turf! I have handled human remains for nearly 4 decades now I was 10 when I went to the local archeologist with a sack of human bones found in a sewer ditch when they were replacing the pipes in 1984. I live in the Dutch city of Leiden my city has a 2000-year history although it didn't really grow that much which means every and any place in the city was a cemetery at one point in time so 9-year-old me an avid amateur archeologist had to hit human remains rather sooner than later and, I have been finding human bones everywhere in the city in parks, underwater, under old buildings, in wells, in privy pits, in gardens, in antique sewers, on the side of streets and roads, on construction sites, under walls, under grass, under trees, in a chicken coop, in construction dumpsters, in construction soil dumpster bags, in a school playground, in water management ditches, what incompetent archeologists left behind (boneheads!), on parking lot green parts, next to a supermarket, in my own garden, in family gardens, behind my place of work including 2 roman gold rings!, a 16.000-year-old jaw in a deep pit used to disarm a 500 pound WWII bomb!, a rib bone in cement in a 1580s wall, under a removed swimming pool, behind a canal's wall, in the local botanical garden, another rib bone embedded in a tree trunk, at the former place of execution between the roots of a tree planted in 1898 by our former queen I found a fertibray, next to the partial visible city wall (probably plague victims tossed over the wall during the Spanish war (were the city was surrounded), under the floor of the former natural history museum when the floor got renewed, and, finally on a roof in a sea gull's nest. so, when I said you can find human remains everywhere in the city I wasn't joking! I have been a caretaker of human remains for nearly 4 decades I report all of it and, some I get to keep like the 16.000-year-old lower jaw bone which was carbon dated and quite a number of skulls and other bones, I use those as tutorial items the RUclips Aquachiger when he would find bones he would exclaim ''is it huuumaaan!! well, I sent him a tutorial private video via Facebook in around 2014 since then I forwarded many such videos to other archeological RUclipsrs so they know what to look out for how to identify human remains and what actions to take the gist of that is always alert the authorities first the police then the local head archeologist and the rules to keep human remains in most countries it's perfectly legal to own such remains but in most, they must be verified to be archeological and not modern AKA possible murder victims which I did stumble upon on 2 occasions a sad thing indeed! having human remains or even dealing in them is also legal in most countries the provenance has to be complete where did it come from and how did I get them and what is the history behind it you need to make a paper trail with the help of the local archeological authorities. I also bought a lot from medical students now, to do that in my country you need a license because these are antique human medical artifacts and not archeological but, since I had a crystal clear work ethic with the authorities I got that license in a flash!! and, I got some nice sawed-up skulls with brass hooks for the tutorial videos so I can show the inside of a human skull I have been digging in abandoned cemeteries as well with the help of the professionals non of the finds were to keep except for the coffin nails/screws from the 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries I got a wide collection of those they would trash them because they are not historically important well I highly disagree so I kept them all uh all 30 ponds of them! of 15 forgotten now under streets cemeteries. man! That's a long one! but dealing with human remains you fully need to lay all cards on the table and explain yourself.
It would be interesting if they checked the DNA of the remains in the coffin. Maybe they are and I just missed them saying it. I was disturbed by the child’s ribs that were put in there as more than just a couple of loose bones.
It is very counter productive to play music louder than the hosts dialog/narration. I had to really focus to try to hear what Dan Snow was saying. I do not understand, what has music got to do with this story ! Why is it drowning out dialog ? Why is it there !???!!!!
Wow!! my gast was flabbered by this documentary,Dr Sue and Dan the Sherlock Holmes and Watson of forensic investigations!! In trying to solve one mystery they discover more,5 headless corpses .Very poignant the young ladies almost complete skeleton minus the head.
Love Sue Black. Would have been nice to end with any historical evidence as to who the woman was. Presumably if it’s a family crypt there would be records?
30:46 Good lord, whose idea was it to have a slow-mo shot of everyone walking toward the mausoleum? It was such a modern TV moment it actually distracted me a little bit. 😅
I love the image portrayed of The Old Fox, by Diana Gabaldon in Outlander. She really highlighted the true essence of this awful rogue. The most entertaining bit (fictional most likely) was the "prostate" excuse to avoid going on campaign himself. 😂
Very fascinating documentary. The one hope I thought I might see , is extracting DNA from the bones and see if they were a match to the surviving Frasers .
Did they give a reason as to why they were rummaging around in human remains ? Usually there needs to be a better reason than "we're nosey". Or am I being over sensitive ?
Simon is snickering from wherever he might be. BUT!!! WHO was the young woman? Did the people who had the original body of Lord Lovett in London after the execution send the old man’s body back to the tower as demanded; then scramble around and find another fat body (man or woman it wouldn’t matter) take off the head, wrapped it up in waxed linen and maybe a cheap coffin to sell to the ones who wanted to take it “home” with them? It didn’t look good for any DNA testing to see if she belonged to the Clan.
So I just finished Gabaldons 7th Outlander book 1 week ago and lo and behold this pops up So strange "Tell it to the Bees" has the foxes grandson Jamie Fraser and wife Claire from Culludon to the American war of Independence. The second coffin contained Lovetts son he died in battle in America fighting for the Germans on the English throne. A little titbit, William and Harry through Diana "Spencer" are related to the Stuart's so when William is finally crowned a Stuart descendant will finally once more return to the throne. A headless woman? The Fox is snickering away in the beyond.❤😂❤
Yes, my mind immediately went to the amazing Diana Gabaldon Outlander book series. Obviously with the Fraser name, but particularly, at the mention of Culloden, central to her stories.
I'm actually quite intrigued by how quickly the Forensic Anthropology team determined the sex of the (Owner? User? Previous recipient of? Sitter upon-er?) of the first Sacrum they found. I suppose it's years of practice. One thing that caught me off guard was that I had been told in recent years that assigning sex to bones wasn't the standard practice as much anymore. Perhaps as people get older their bones become more obvious? Or maybe it's a difference between forensic anthropologists and archaeologists? Being more confident about that kind of thing might assist in solving cases, I suppose. Then again, that part was recorded in 2017, and time moves very quickly now...
"I had been told in recent years that assigning sex to bones wasn't the standard practice as much anymore." Probably the result of complaints from the non-binary/gender neutral lobbyists.
@@harbourdogNL Every trans person I know couldn't give two shits what sex people assign their bones hundreds of years after they die, but when I wrote my comment I knew someone would wipe the drool from their chin and make a reply this like this lukewarm take.
I guess it depends on the preservation of the bones and the age of the individual. Like in adult women and men, the pelvic bone's shape would be more obvious than in children. I found a paper on the subject, published in 2020, it's called "A comparisons of proteomic, genomic, and osteological methods of archeological sex estimation" by scientists from the University of California. It's pretty interesting !
@@harbourdogNL I'm sure your Trans Niece (Who I'm sure totally exists and you didn't just make up for sake of argument) would appreciate you invoking her existence just to make your opinion have the veneer of legitimacy.
From the start of them seeing the coffins, it was pretty obvious that over the many years an awful lot of messing around with the contents will have happened. The result was obvious
The man was rightfully exiled, and "hope it was a hell of a night" was a really tone deaf comment regarding the first of his many crimes. I realise that isn't the point of the documentary, but c'mon, Dr Black. Do better.
It wasn't Dr Black who said that. It was the "family historian"The only thing they had in common is that they're both women! They dont look remotely alike, so no idea how you managed to confuse them. Maybe you do better, starting with actually paying attention to what you're watching?
So everything decomposes, even if placed in a double lined coffin in a crypt. Would still love to find out the DNA of the headless woman. Wonder where Sue will be buried? We need to record our own history if we want to be remembered. I've tested my DNA, and recording my results to identify my Stewart and other ancestors for posterity.
I thought it was funny at 26:00 when they start down the stairs the man says, "Watch your head" when in context they're going to see if the beheaded skeletal remains are in there.
I thought was a bit insensitive too. As was her poking and stroking the bones after so much care had been taken by the team to keep them free from contamination. I would have liked to have been told what happened to his 'wife' from that encounter. I hope she was rescued and found a decent husband.
Woman was apparently from a wealthy background and ate meat and fish.Possibly lived in the Spitalfield area of London according to analysis from a piece of bone from the woman’s breast bone analysed at Oxford University.
Fascinating story, man I have to get History Hit. btw, I think Sarah Fraser's story is real. It's just it only happened the other way around. Either at the time of the Old Fox's death or it was fabricated later to rail Jacobite support or as part of some Scottish nationalism sentiment. if they actually got Lord Lovat's body (which I doubt it ) they might've snatched some fresh body from a london Graveyard put it in a sealed lead coffin hoping decomposition would set in long enough for the body to be a bit too spoiled for onlookers to notice they got anyone else. Or they fabricated the claim later by doing the same thing, either way I just hope that poor woman was already dead before they selected her for the charade.
Ashes to Ashes, etc. but Royal Divorces cost ex wives their heads. Some random children were thrown in with some old Yehudi's pelvis and knee bones, 5 people in one casket. Yikes! Rest ye all together in Peace with Angels all around.
I visited Culloden years ago, and when I retired to my hotel in Inverness I stopped at the bar. Encountering another American, he asked if I'd been to the battlefield. In truth, I had been very moved and said so as the barman fetched my single malt. "An amazing place, isn't it?" my fellow tourist said. "The last battle fought on British soil." I remained silent as the American took his drinks back to his table. I turned to accept my drink from the barman, who asked if I was of Scottish descent since I was 'equally offended' at the man's suggestion that any part of Scotland could ever be 'British' soil. (I'm not Scottish; just a lover of history). I drank for free that night since I had shown "proper feeling". When I heard Dan Snow refer to Culloden as the last battle fought on British soil I flinched again as I remembered the incident. Thought I should share it.
Hate to offend and your easily upset barman, but technically it Was the last battle fought on British soil. No one said ENGLISH soil did they? British As Scotland is part of the BRITISH isles it's soil is still British. Sorry and all that, but I do wish you Americans would work out which is which and what is what. 'The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic Ocean off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Northern Isles (Orkney and Shetland), and over six thousand smaller islands.[8] They have a total area of 315,159 km2 (121,684 sq mi)[5] and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland),[9] and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands, off the north coast of France, are normally taken to be part of the British Isles,[10] even though they do not form part of the archipelago' Seems you owe your fellow countryman an apology. Still you got a free night out of it, thanks to a rather uneducated 'Braveheart' Most of us don't take much notice of them. They live in a Hollywood idea of Scotland, which bears little resemblance to the Real one.
P.S. it might be worth remaking the thumbnail as it says "The Last Man Executed In Britain", which I don't think I heard said in this video, and is definitely false.
He says during the video The Last Man Executed in Britain for treason - or maybe beheaded??Because there were certainly WW1 soldiers executed for desertion. Hmm
Is he related ro the Simon Fraser who was targeted by Morgan's snipers on the orders of benedict Arnold at the battle of Saratoga, during the war for independence? That Simon Fraser was rallying his men and unfortunately his competence got him killed.
Nah, that was the one who told shitty poetry to try (& fail) at picking up women. This video was of his father, the cranky ol' Fox who was super superstitious!
@becsterbrisbane6275 LOL! I had no idea that there was more than one. It's too bad the younger was spotted by benedict Arnold. According to the records it was Arnold who ordered one of Morgan's sharpshooter to take at Fraser. Had he been as incompetent as Burgoyne, he'd have survived the battle to return to London and blame others for his failure just like burgoyne. No evil goes unrewarded or good deed unpunished.
Ha! Me too. In the book, Simon was Jaimie's grandfather. Jaimie's dad was the illegitimate son of Lord Lovat. He played a part in the book leading up to Culloden and was a feisty frenemy of Jaimie
@@anneshirley3786 ohhh! Thank you! I didn’t know that! Sadly, I was introduced to the series via TV so I hadn’t started the books. I think it’s something I may be starting rather soon though lol I’m really glad to see that at least a few people got the reference 😂
@@smurfette1681 I’m very happy I could accommodate! There’s a new spinoff tv series in the works that’s supposed to be coming out next year I believe. I’m pumped and also saddened lol
Dr Sue is a fantastic character, not just clearly an expert in her field but also and excellent presenter!
What a learning experience it would be, working with her on a case like this!
She's done few other documentaries that are well worth a watch.. can't quite remember the names
@@badgerstan9882Sue Black did two series of History Cold Case in 2010/11. I own it on dvd, great series.
@@badgerstan9882 History: Famous Cold Cases ruclips.net/video/p-Jef5q7rJY/видео.htmlsi=FdWKsuFcVkvTSt6Y
My daughter studied forensics at Dundee university under Sue Black.She was always happy to spend extra time with her students but her main attraction,apart of course from her amazing intellect,was her keeness to impart her knowledge.She was an incredible lecturer with the hall always full,not just with her own students but with everyone else from the university,regardless of their course.There was actually an informal waiting list for those not on her courses to attend her lectures.
Dr. Sue Black did not disappoint! She didn't pull punches when giving unexpected evidence. I really enjoy watching her work and she is a consummate scientist. Had I know she was in this I would've watched sooner.
My guess as to why there's a random headless woman in the coffin is that Fraser's clansmen didn't want to turn up back in Inverness without his body. After their efforts to get the real corpse were thwarted, they decided to 'acquire' a headless corpse through either grave robbery or bribery, knowing that by the time it got to Scotland it'd be mostly decomposed anyway, and nobody would be any the wiser.
Woman was probably from Spitalfields in London according to analysis of bones.You are probably right .
Thanks for the spoiler 🤦🏻♂️
@@DistortedSoul2010So, why do you read the comments before watching the video???
Agreed!
@@DistortedSoul2010 for history? Are you kidding me? 😂
I have to say that Dan and Sue have made a cracking historical video about Simon the Fox. I never saw the conclusion coming. Several bodies in the one casket and no heads found. The young lady and the others without a skull between them brings more questions than answers. Was something more sinister going on? I guess we'll never know, But bones in a casket in the mausoleum look like they were symbolic, that no one knew for sure until recently if Simon was there or not kept the riddle un answered. Well done HistoryHit, another top production. Many thanks for sharing.
Dr Sue Black is brilliant.
Have you read Written in Bone by her? I think she writes about this case... And basically throws shade at Snow for getting over excited.
@@dawnlizreads I’ve read several of her books… it sort of rings a bell.
@@dawnlizreads My step-mother mentioned years back how she wondered about getting into that as a career. I think you've helped me choose one of her Christmas gifts this year.
Thank you all the team for this. Lost to the mists of time, rather appropriate for the misty highlands of Scotland.
At first glance, I thought you said “Dr. Seuss is black.” 😂
The risks people take for power and prestige never ceases to amaze me.
I'm frankly refreshed that these presenters don't engage in wild speculation especially when their assumptions are upended at the. They simply digest the new facts and contemplate.
That's how you know they're scientists and not entertainers.
They are consummate professionals,historians and their only objective is to discover truth from the past.
I worked a bit with sue black at lancaster university. She told me off the first time i met her for calling her 'dame sue' ...because she is ! I was told to just call her 'sue' ! Lovely brilliant woman... in fact i think shes 'baroness sue' now !!
I envy you. She is a fantastic woman, i would love to meet her.
Whatever the results may be, this is a remarkable story. Thanks for bringing us into this narrative.
Thanks for the spoiler!
Read this, tuned out, thanks
Edited...
One of your best presentations yet, packed with so much history and entertaining at every turn. Simon Fraser lived quite a life, and was blessed to have such a long one, at that. Interesting fellow. Thanks so much, I really enjoyed this episode. 🇨🇦🇬🇧❤️HH
I'd no real knowledge of this prior to seeing the video. Thanks indeed! Callum is great. Great rhythm, great ornamentation, style, articulation and authenticity. Nice one Dan and team! ⭐👍
I’m having a terrible Monday and this video has made it so much better
Thank you
Why the bad Monday?
@@SlenderMorph1 A property tax issue lol. Had a panic attack which always makes my body hurt. This I was able to focus on though and I’m grateful for that ☺️
@@kariannecrysler640 Hope you are feeling better today, the video certainly was a good one!
@@SlenderMorph1 I’m feeling strong & egalitarian, so I’m gonna say “better” works. 💕 I hope you’re having a great day too
@@kariannecrysler640 Thats good to hear, especially feeling strong. I am thank you, thanks for asking 😃
What a delightful surprise to see Dr. Sue Black!! Highly recommend both of her audiobooks- she’s such a great personality!
To me, one headless body wrapped in funerary shrouds and suffering from ten days worth of decomposition, you aren't going to be examining the corpse that carefully or closely. The wily and opportunistic undertaker gets rid of a body of a nobody by removing their head, giving that to the Fraser's and returns the original body to the crown to keep in favour. Then you get a nobody being essentially someone, a great irony.
Yes, exactly what my thoughts were would make perfect sense to me.
could've been the other way around, frazers get the fox's body and the crown gets the random, but obviously wasn’t
A nobody? She was a person, a woman, and she died young. Judging by your ill-mannered response you are not anyone who will be remembered.
@@ellen4956 im sorry but what are you talking about?
@@DidMyGrandfatherMakeThisShe, and I as well, thought it crass of you to consider her a "nobody"
That was a truly interesting look into the past. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
The initial 'cover' reads 'the last man executed in Britain'. Surely, that was James Hanratty, rather later than Simon the Fox?
Like so many other RUclips channels, they use clickbait to up viewership unfortunately.
It actually says the last man executed/beheaded for TREASON.
At the start we learnt that a body was switched in London. Lord Lovett is buried in London. The switched body had the head removed and then was transported to Scotland.
What a fascinating story. As a total history buff - this was one of best I’ve ever seen! Happy New Year! Bravo!🇨🇦👏👏👏💐🇨🇦
Exceptionally well done! Thank you.
Great mix of fascinating history and forensic science.
Dan might have hyped the possibility that this was Simon Fraser, but that's entertainment.
I wonder who the women and children were? Dan's reaction is priceless.
Interesting topic I just love history
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
What a rollercoaster
Professor Black!!!! Just when I thought this channel couldn’t get any better
Fascinating! Thank you.
What an excellent episode! I think she has her ancestors eyes after seeing his portrait drawing!
It's very unusal to cut off a head right between the vertebrae, with an axe. Anyone taking a head off with a knife would go between the joints, (ex game butcher here). I'd be interested to know whether there were any cut marks on the female's cervical vertebrae. Great show btw. Fascinating!
Dr Sue Black is utterly brilliant. I wonder what the truth is. We may never know!
this is right on my turf! I have handled human remains for nearly 4 decades now I was 10 when I went to the local archeologist with a sack of human bones found in a sewer ditch when they were replacing the pipes in 1984.
I live in the Dutch city of Leiden my city has a 2000-year history although it didn't really grow that much which means every and any place in the city was a cemetery at one point in time so 9-year-old me an avid amateur archeologist had to hit human remains rather sooner than later
and, I have been finding human bones everywhere in the city in parks, underwater, under old buildings, in wells, in privy pits, in gardens, in antique sewers, on the side of streets and roads, on construction sites, under walls, under grass, under trees, in a chicken coop, in construction dumpsters, in construction soil dumpster bags, in a school playground, in water management ditches, what incompetent archeologists left behind (boneheads!), on parking lot green parts, next to a supermarket, in my own garden, in family gardens, behind my place of work including 2 roman gold rings!, a 16.000-year-old jaw in a deep pit used to disarm a 500 pound WWII bomb!, a rib bone in cement in a 1580s wall, under a removed swimming pool, behind a canal's wall, in the local botanical garden, another rib bone embedded in a tree trunk, at the former place of execution between the roots of a tree planted in 1898 by our former queen I found a fertibray, next to the partial visible city wall (probably plague victims tossed over the wall during the Spanish war (were the city was surrounded), under the floor of the former natural history museum when the floor got renewed, and, finally on a roof in a sea gull's nest.
so, when I said you can find human remains everywhere in the city I wasn't joking! I have been a caretaker of human remains for nearly 4 decades I report all of it and, some I get to keep like the 16.000-year-old lower jaw bone which was carbon dated and quite a number of skulls and other bones, I use those as tutorial items the RUclips Aquachiger when he would find bones he would exclaim ''is it huuumaaan!! well, I sent him a tutorial private video via Facebook in around 2014 since then I forwarded many such videos to other archeological RUclipsrs so they know what to look out for how to identify human remains and what actions to take the gist of that is always alert the authorities first the police then the local head archeologist and the rules to keep human remains in most countries it's perfectly legal to own such remains but in most, they must be verified to be archeological and not modern AKA possible murder victims which I did stumble upon on 2 occasions a sad thing indeed!
having human remains or even dealing in them is also legal in most countries the provenance has to be complete where did it come from and how did I get them and what is the history behind it you need to make a paper trail with the help of the local archeological authorities.
I also bought a lot from medical students now, to do that in my country you need a license because these are antique human medical artifacts and not archeological but, since I had a crystal clear work ethic with the authorities I got that license in a flash!! and, I got some nice sawed-up skulls with brass hooks for the tutorial videos so I can show the inside of a human skull
I have been digging in abandoned cemeteries as well with the help of the professionals non of the finds were to keep except for the coffin nails/screws from the 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries I got a wide collection of those they would trash them because they are not historically important well I highly disagree so I kept them all uh all 30 ponds of them! of 15 forgotten now under streets cemeteries.
man! That's a long one! but dealing with human remains you fully need to lay all cards on the table and explain yourself.
"Better be a helluva night" - that look on her face leads me to believe that she's a lot of fun lol
Misleading title. The last men executed in Britain were Peter Allen and Gwynne Evans, hanged simultaneously in August 1964.
Great video!! Extremely informative and interesting
What a very interesting video, I had to subscribe right away. Thank you!
Wow. Fascinating
Brilliant video and fantastic detective work. 👏 😊
Extremely interesting
Brutal yet amazing history and very well documented
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Excellent video.
I loved that, absolutely fascinating
I just have to say... I used to love chocolate mousse. 😢
It would be interesting if they checked the DNA of the remains in the coffin. Maybe they are and I just missed them saying it. I was disturbed by the child’s ribs that were put in there as more than just a couple of loose bones.
It is very counter productive to play music louder than the hosts dialog/narration. I had to really focus to try to hear what Dan Snow was saying. I do not understand, what has music got to do with this story ! Why is it drowning out dialog ? Why is it there !???!!!!
Very true!
It was an unique and thrilled watching video about that mysterious issue and adventures man .thank you (🙏 History Hit) channel
Wow!! my gast was flabbered by this documentary,Dr Sue and Dan the Sherlock Holmes and Watson of forensic investigations!! In trying to solve one mystery they discover more,5 headless corpses .Very poignant the young ladies almost complete skeleton minus the head.
Surely Gwynne Evans (Strangeways, Manchester - April 1964) and Peter Allen (Walton, Liverpool - August 1964) were the last men hanged in the UK?
Love Sue Black. Would have been nice to end with any historical evidence as to who the woman was. Presumably if it’s a family crypt there would be records?
Sue is a true professional
30:46 Good lord, whose idea was it to have a slow-mo shot of everyone walking toward the mausoleum? It was such a modern TV moment it actually distracted me a little bit. 😅
I love the image portrayed of The Old Fox, by Diana Gabaldon in Outlander. She really highlighted the true essence of this awful rogue. The most entertaining bit (fictional most likely) was the "prostate" excuse to avoid going on campaign himself. 😂
Fascinating ❤
Very Tragic Period Times in the 17th Century 1600s.
So much Suffering!
So very sad
Dr Sue Black is my all time favourite
Very fascinating documentary. The one hope I thought I might see , is extracting DNA from the bones and see if they were a match to the surviving Frasers .
Most likely they are. Ppl are, on average, closer related than they assume.
I’m a Fraser! Was my grans maiden name.
Background music drowns the narration.
Indeed it does!
Very poor production values.
The cunning fox certainly had a diploma in cunning, and who was the young lady? so many questions that go unanswered!
Great doc but I think I watched more adverts than the actual program. 😔
Did they give a reason as to why they were rummaging around in human remains ? Usually there needs to be a better reason than "we're nosey". Or am I being over sensitive ?
Simon is snickering from wherever he might be. BUT!!! WHO was the young woman? Did the people who had the original body of Lord Lovett in London after the execution send the old man’s body back to the tower as demanded; then scramble around and find another fat body (man or woman it wouldn’t matter) take off the head, wrapped it up in waxed linen and maybe a cheap coffin to sell to the ones who wanted to take it “home” with them? It didn’t look good for any DNA testing to see if she belonged to the Clan.
So I just finished Gabaldons 7th Outlander book 1 week ago
and lo and behold this pops up
So strange
"Tell it to the Bees" has the foxes grandson Jamie Fraser and wife Claire from Culludon to the American war of Independence.
The second coffin contained Lovetts son he died in battle in America fighting for the Germans on the English throne. A little titbit, William and Harry through Diana "Spencer" are related to the Stuart's so when William is finally crowned a Stuart descendant will finally once more return to the throne.
A headless woman?
The Fox is snickering away in the beyond.❤😂❤
Yes, my mind immediately went to the amazing Diana Gabaldon Outlander book series. Obviously with the Fraser name, but particularly, at the mention of Culloden, central to her stories.
The Hanoverian line was descended from the Stewarts
@@lesliehart
Yes but the Spencer's and Saxe coburg Gothas unite the families under William. It's nice symmetry in an old hurt.
I'm actually quite intrigued by how quickly the Forensic Anthropology team determined the sex of the (Owner? User? Previous recipient of? Sitter upon-er?) of the first Sacrum they found. I suppose it's years of practice.
One thing that caught me off guard was that I had been told in recent years that assigning sex to bones wasn't the standard practice as much anymore. Perhaps as people get older their bones become more obvious? Or maybe it's a difference between forensic anthropologists and archaeologists? Being more confident about that kind of thing might assist in solving cases, I suppose. Then again, that part was recorded in 2017, and time moves very quickly now...
"I had been told in recent years that assigning sex to bones wasn't the standard practice as much anymore."
Probably the result of complaints from the non-binary/gender neutral lobbyists.
@@harbourdogNL Every trans person I know couldn't give two shits what sex people assign their bones hundreds of years after they die, but when I wrote my comment I knew someone would wipe the drool from their chin and make a reply this like this lukewarm take.
I guess it depends on the preservation of the bones and the age of the individual. Like in adult women and men, the pelvic bone's shape would be more obvious than in children.
I found a paper on the subject, published in 2020, it's called "A comparisons of proteomic, genomic, and osteological methods of archeological sex estimation" by scientists from the University of California. It's pretty interesting !
I and my trans niece doesn't care either, but in hundreds of years her bones will still say born male.@@Tinblitz
@@harbourdogNL I'm sure your Trans Niece (Who I'm sure totally exists and you didn't just make up for sake of argument) would appreciate you invoking her existence just to make your opinion have the veneer of legitimacy.
From the start of them seeing the coffins, it was pretty obvious that over the many years an awful lot of messing around with the contents will have happened. The result was obvious
What is the song they started to sing at 3:27?
The man was rightfully exiled, and "hope it was a hell of a night" was a really tone deaf comment regarding the first of his many crimes. I realise that isn't the point of the documentary, but c'mon, Dr Black. Do better.
It wasn't Dr Black who said that. It was the "family historian"The only thing they had in common is that they're both women! They dont look remotely alike, so no idea how you managed to confuse them. Maybe you do better, starting with actually paying attention to what you're watching?
23:12 William Stanley,one of my direct ancestors.... ooops.
So everything decomposes, even if placed in a double lined coffin in a crypt. Would still love to find out the DNA of the headless woman. Wonder where Sue will be buried? We need to record our own history if we want to be remembered. I've tested my DNA, and recording my results to identify my Stewart and other ancestors for posterity.
Very interesting
Thanks
Ok it sounds exactly like they are summarizing Outlander without all the time travel haha
The grand-sire of the fictional character, James Alexander Malcolm McKenzie Fraser of Outlander fame..😊
I thought it was funny at 26:00 when they start down the stairs the man says, "Watch your head" when in context they're going to see if the beheaded skeletal remains are in there.
She said vertebrae was fused like an old person then the story changed like huh?
oh yeah, youre right!
"Better be a he'll of a night, lol."
Lady, please remember you're talking about rape here. 😓
I thought was a bit insensitive too. As was her poking and stroking the bones after so much care had been taken by the team to keep them free from contamination. I would have liked to have been told what happened to his 'wife' from that encounter. I hope she was rescued and found a decent husband.
The Chief of my Clan lost his head to a cannonball at Culloden.. Chief Lachlan MacLachlan was commissary-general to the Prince..
Did you do a genetic test on any of the bodies?
Woman was apparently from a wealthy background and ate meat and fish.Possibly lived in the Spitalfield area of London according to analysis from a piece of bone from the woman’s breast bone analysed at Oxford University.
maybe someone could pin this comment if true? and add more reference to the information about bone and it's time at Oxford University.
The horribley loud intro music is totally unnecessary.
Fascinating story, man I have to get History Hit.
btw, I think Sarah Fraser's story is real. It's just it only happened the other way around. Either at the time of the Old Fox's death or it was fabricated later to rail Jacobite support or as part of some Scottish nationalism sentiment. if they actually got Lord Lovat's body (which I doubt it ) they might've snatched some fresh body from a london Graveyard put it in a sealed lead coffin hoping decomposition would set in long enough for the body to be a bit too spoiled for onlookers to notice they got anyone else. Or they fabricated the claim later by doing the same thing,
either way I just hope that poor woman was already dead before they selected her for the charade.
good auld simon fraser the lord lovat
Why disturb a burial for this reason?
You can't disturb the dead.
Thy're dead.
In 1817, Jeremiah Brandreth was the last man to be beheaded for treason in Britain, not Fraser.
Ashes to Ashes, etc. but Royal Divorces cost ex wives their heads. Some random children were thrown in with some old Yehudi's pelvis and knee bones, 5 people in one casket. Yikes! Rest ye all together in Peace with Angels all around.
Love Dr Sue Black
Pulling his bones apart for a rv programme is not science. Its morbid. Leave the body alone.
Five people in the same coffin???
I thought Mr Pierrepoint made last execution...
I visited Culloden years ago, and when I retired to my hotel in Inverness I stopped at the bar. Encountering another American, he asked if I'd been to the battlefield. In truth, I had been very moved and said so as the barman fetched my single malt. "An amazing place, isn't it?" my fellow tourist said. "The last battle fought on British soil." I remained silent as the American took his drinks back to his table. I turned to accept my drink from the barman, who asked if I was of Scottish descent since I was 'equally offended' at the man's suggestion that any part of Scotland could ever be 'British' soil. (I'm not Scottish; just a lover of history). I drank for free that night since I had shown "proper feeling". When I heard Dan Snow refer to Culloden as the last battle fought on British soil I flinched again as I remembered the incident. Thought I should share it.
Hate to offend and your easily upset barman, but technically it Was the last battle fought on British soil. No one said ENGLISH soil did they? British As Scotland is part of the BRITISH isles it's soil is still British. Sorry and all that, but I do wish you Americans would work out which is which and what is what.
'The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic Ocean off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Northern Isles (Orkney and Shetland), and over six thousand smaller islands.[8] They have a total area of 315,159 km2 (121,684 sq mi)[5] and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland),[9] and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands, off the north coast of France, are normally taken to be part of the British Isles,[10] even though they do not form part of the archipelago'
Seems you owe your fellow countryman an apology. Still you got a free night out of it, thanks to a rather uneducated 'Braveheart' Most of us don't take much notice of them. They live in a Hollywood idea of Scotland, which bears little resemblance to the Real one.
Was there no way to extract any DNA to help try and id the woman?
P.S. it might be worth remaking the thumbnail as it says "The Last Man Executed In Britain", which I don't think I heard said in this video, and is definitely false.
He says during the video The Last Man Executed in Britain for treason - or maybe beheaded??Because there were certainly WW1 soldiers executed for desertion. Hmm
No loud music th u
Is he related ro the Simon Fraser who was targeted by Morgan's snipers on the orders of benedict Arnold at the battle of Saratoga, during the war for independence? That Simon Fraser was rallying his men and unfortunately his competence got him killed.
Nah, that was the one who told shitty poetry to try (& fail) at picking up women. This video was of his father, the cranky ol' Fox who was super superstitious!
@becsterbrisbane6275 LOL! I had no idea that there was more than one. It's too bad the younger was spotted by benedict Arnold. According to the records it was Arnold who ordered one of Morgan's sharpshooter to take at Fraser. Had he been as incompetent as Burgoyne, he'd have survived the battle to return to London and blame others for his failure just like burgoyne. No evil goes unrewarded or good deed unpunished.
@@robertalpy I may possibly be watching too much Outlander lol......
I'm glad the piper was actually not bad.. usually TV shows have the worst representation
As always Dr. Sue Black is exceptional. I wonder why they didn’t try and do a DNA test…
I bet Simon was Jamie’s great-great-uncle. Maybe Claire or Bri will meet him one day. 😂
I came to look for an Outlander comment. Was not disappointed 😂
Ha! Me too. In the book, Simon was Jaimie's grandfather. Jaimie's dad was the illegitimate son of Lord Lovat. He played a part in the book leading up to Culloden and was a feisty frenemy of Jaimie
@@anneshirley3786 ohhh! Thank you! I didn’t know that! Sadly, I was introduced to the series via TV so I hadn’t started the books. I think it’s something I may be starting rather soon though lol
I’m really glad to see that at least a few people got the reference 😂
@@smurfette1681 I’m very happy I could accommodate! There’s a new spinoff tv series in the works that’s supposed to be coming out next year I believe. I’m pumped and also saddened lol
@Andy_Babb the books are definitely worth it!!! They drag a bit in spots but i think every long series does.
Again they keep camera on ppl instead of where they are or what they’re talking abt I would prefer to see everything
Sherlock Bones
There is a deaf person in your company using to loud music/sounds in your videos again and again 😡😡
“…had to invent something new…”
One might call her, "Sherlock Bones" - missed opportunity :L