@gordonsscotland8441 hello gordon I admit to having a liking for Charlie and an interest in him post 45 - I wonder if you could answer this question for me - I can't remember were but I read that Charles was offered the job of King of the U S A - can you confirm or deny that this ever happened ? - Thanks .
I did smile wryly at the '...Anyway...' at the end! What a miserable story and it's no wonder that it's very rarely told in Scotland. Very well told, thank you. I wonder now what became of his daughter and his line?
Thanks for this. Have often wondered what happened to Charles after he left Scotland. Was interesting too to hear a little of the responses of the loyal supporters he left behind - must have been a much more than devastating e xperience for them and their families.
Thanks so much for this interesting info on Bonnie Prince Charlie. As a Moncreiffe, I have always wonder about their Jacobite support. I believe they were at Culloden.
Thanks, Margo. June and I are safe and well at home, just missing seeing our son and daughter-in-law...and our new grandson! Hope you are keeping OK and are safe. Kindest regards. Gordon
I never knew what happened to the Bonnie Prince after he left sky, I did a project at school about him but was told he died in France 🇫🇷. Does he have a grave you can visit? I myself am of Scottish/Italian decent and would like to see where he's buried, if possible. Maybe he had a poppers grave or did Charlotte make sure her father got a good send off? It would be interesting to find out as I can't seem to find any record of his burial.
He’s buried in the crypt of St Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican, Victorio. I think there’s a monument to him, his brother Henry (who was a cardinal) and his father, although I have never seen it. Kind regards, Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 thanks very much Gordon, I just Googled it and seen the grave, it's got his father, brother and Charles there. I've been to Vatican City before but never knew I was right beside it! So weird. Thanks again for getting back to me and thanks for your videos, they're very educational and it's great to see that other people still have an interest in the Jacobite's and the history of Scottish heritage. Regards Victorio Canale
Right now I'm only on season 2 of Outlander (I know I'm way behind LOL) I find the Bonnie Prince Charlie to be rather interesting character. He's passionate about his cause and yet so immature. He had no sense of reality. I feel bad for those who followed him to their own destruction. To his credit he must have been one hell of a talker as the show seems to point out. On a side note Did he actually say "Mark me" all the time? It's funny how he would stake his credibility on something he really could not guarantee.
Yes, Doug, I think a lot of people who followed their hearts instead of their heads in joining his cause, later suffered greatly, which was a great shame. I had never heard any mention of the 'Mark me' comment in relation to him, but it may be true! Kind regards, Gordon
Come on mate get a grip Outlander IS NOT a documentary. The wee Italian was sent by Rome to try to put a catholic back on the throne, nothing more. The rebellion was about religion more than anything else.
@@yourweebrotherI think your orange credentials stir showing through The that supported the dim wit were from all of the then branchs of the Kirk in Scotland The clan chiefs were mostly Episcopalian
@@Albanach-je1nk Orange credentials? Don't talk shite. I've no time for ANY religion and that was my point. The rebellion was about religion much more than anything else. BPC was no Scottish hero (more were against him than for him), just a pawn in a religious game.
I appreciate your question; even historical fiction includes some facts, which of course doesn't make it a documentary, but does give additional interest. I think the frequent repetition of "mark me" in the show was to make the "Bonnie Prince" seem more annoying, and perhaps to be a drinking game for viewers. 😉 Though having a shot of whisky each time "mark me" is said might result in the whisky drinker winding up flat-on-their-face drunk! 😂
Would love to hear about Neil MacEachren who helped Prince Charles escape and who's son almost became General of all of the Armies of France, but declined and it fell to Napoleon. As you can see by my name, the story of Neil fascinates me.
Indeed he is. He is buried in St Peter's Basilica in the Vatican in Rome, alongside his Father, Mother and Brother. Charles' brother, Henry, was a Cardinal who refused to lay claim to the thrones of Britain & Ireland after Charles' death. He remains (I think) one of the longest-serving Cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church.
There's a Polish fellow Peter Pininski, who claims to be the direct descendant of ol Bonnie Prince Charlie...he's forbidden from assuming any sort of English rank on the account of him being Catholic...now if I was Ireland and wanted to really stick it to the English I'd put a crown on him and Declare him Monarch of the Irish Republic...could you Imagine! 🤣😂
Yes, thankyou for relating sympathetically the final years of my namesake - the name Charles derives from the german Karl meaning Freeman...! mistakes are the stepping stones to wisdom.
Dint feel sorry for this selfish ponse thousands of Jackobites suffered and died in his name and in turn clans/ the roots of Scottish tradition torn 11:09 apart
So sorry, Marianne! Thank you very much for pointing this out - I will attempt to resist the urge in the future! I remember many years ago a short video I made featured me clicking and clicking a pen! So annoying! Kind regards, Gordon
It’s not clear what he did regarding his faith. He only renounced the Catholic faith as he thought this would allow him to try once again to seize the throne of Britain. But obviously this did not happen. It did not appear to me that faith played a large part in his life, certainly the latter part where he often became drunk and abusive. Kind regards, Gordon
How could the pol eho fought with him morn his death whrn theyd been shipped to far flung vornors of the world by the mans enemies. They couldnt jump on a plane to rome to see the funeral. To make it like noone cared about him, ehen most of thensongs written about him came after his death, is false. Did we forget about the clerances an acts of proscription? Had he won, it would be a totally different video an we would learn of this great reclaiming of the throne in schools world wide. But he lost one battle. Which was all he needed to lose. An the winners, scared enough of the jacobite movment to commit genocide, write the history books the way they needed. To make sure toteach scots their enemies were idiots an their oppressors were their heros. How sad.
Thank you for telling us the end of the Bonnie Prince. How sad, but he was blessed to face the end in the loving embrace of his daughter.
Yes, Ria, he was certainly blessed with a loving wife and daughter! Kind regards, Gordon
Just another Papal Stooge........Good Riddance.
@@gordonsscotland8441 didn't know he lived in England for a short while after the battle
@Eliot Reader he didn't live in England after any battle - he Visited in1750 .
@gordonsscotland8441 hello gordon I admit to having a liking for Charlie and an interest in him post 45 - I wonder if you could answer this question for me - I can't remember were but I read that Charles was offered the job of King of the U S A - can you confirm or deny that this ever happened ? - Thanks .
I did smile wryly at the '...Anyway...' at the end! What a miserable story and it's no wonder that it's very rarely told in Scotland. Very well told, thank you. I wonder now what became of his daughter and his line?
Glad you enjoyed it! I think there are still people claiming to be descendants of the Prince, Stephen. Kind regards, Gordon
Thanks for this. Have often wondered what happened to Charles after he left Scotland. Was interesting too to hear a little of the responses of the loyal supporters he left behind - must have been a much more than devastating e
xperience for them and their families.
Yes, David. Prince Charles Edward Stuart got off lightly for his actions! Kind regards, Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 funny you say it that way. Sounds backwards. Wouldn't scotland have their own king if england hadn't messed with them?
@@VivaRonnieJamesDio no not really the Stuart's wanted the British throne not just the Scottish one. The Jacobites marched on London
Excellent Gordon. Just excellent!! ❤ from Canada 🇨🇦
Thanks so much, Billy! Glad you enjoyed it. Kind regards, Gordon
Great video thank you!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Kind regards. Gordon
Gordon thank you for such a wonderful video. You are a handsome Scot.
Earl of Mar Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the kind comment! Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 You are most welcome. Looking forward to seeing more of your video's.
Thanks for that. Not so Bonnie after all! But his daughter loved him so that was nice. A daughters love usually can’t be surpassed🇦🇺
Indeed! He was lucky to have that. Kind regards, Gordon
Thanks so much for this interesting info on Bonnie Prince Charlie. As a Moncreiffe, I have always wonder about their Jacobite support. I believe they were at Culloden.
Not sure about that, Bill. Your clan often held high positions in the royal household. Kind regards, Gordon
That was a touching appraisal. I knew he had not come to a happy end but you brought out the humanity of the situation. He sounded deeply depressed.
Yes, Michelle, his life did not end well. He was, I'm afraid, his own worst enemy. Kind regards, Gordon
Nice to see you again Gordon, hope you & June are safe & well 🙏 As always thanks for the history lesson 😀
Thanks, Margo. June and I are safe and well at home, just missing seeing our son and daughter-in-law...and our new grandson! Hope you are keeping OK and are safe. Kindest regards. Gordon
Good to hear Gordon, I think the worst thing about quarantine is not physically seeing the wee ones, thank heavens for FaceTime 🙏
Thank you Gordon x
Thanks, Trish. Glad you enjoyed the video. Hope you are all well. Kind regards. Gordon
Great video!
Thanks, Shannon. Glad you found it interesting. Kind regards, Gordon
Thankyou fm New Zealand ❤
Thanks for an insite to a man who inspired many. I as one would have followed him cheers my friend
My pleasure, Peter. Kind regards, Gordon
Thanks i love hearing these jacobites and my ancestors (macdonalds)
Thanks for making this amazing 🙂
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed the video! Kind regards. Gordon
Thanks brother! Always wondered what happened to Charlie. Thanks again, I appreciate the story. Peace.
Glad you enjoyed it! Kind regards, Gordon
Very informative
I am here to find out more about my great great great great ect grandfather (Bonnie prince Charles)
Hopefully you now know a bit more about the man himself! Kind regards, Gordon
Gordon's Scotland thx for the reply I found a lot more about him thx so much
I to am related to the Bonnie Prince
@@tawnymacleod4022 in what tho like a great grandfather or something else?
My mother is a Stewart grand father, grt grt grand father grt grt grt grand father grt grt grt grt grand father and so on!
Even though I'm an Aussie I enjoyed listening to this and finding out what really happened to him 🙏🙏
Glad you enjoyed it, Brett! Kind regards, Gordon
Awesome
James Waters Thanks, James! Kind regards, Gordon
Cant wait for more. And thanks for your enthusiasm.
I never knew what happened to the Bonnie Prince after he left sky, I did a project at school about him but was told he died in France 🇫🇷. Does he have a grave you can visit? I myself am of Scottish/Italian decent and would like to see where he's buried, if possible. Maybe he had a poppers grave or did Charlotte make sure her father got a good send off? It would be interesting to find out as I can't seem to find any record of his burial.
He’s buried in the crypt of St Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican, Victorio. I think there’s a monument to him, his brother Henry (who was a cardinal) and his father, although I have never seen it. Kind regards, Gordon
@@gordonsscotland8441 thanks very much Gordon, I just Googled it and seen the grave, it's got his father, brother and Charles there. I've been to Vatican City before but never knew I was right beside it! So weird. Thanks again for getting back to me and thanks for your videos, they're very educational and it's great to see that other people still have an interest in the Jacobite's and the history of Scottish heritage.
Regards
Victorio Canale
@William Dryden Maybe not all the Stuarts were a disaster, William, but Prince Charles Edward Stuart certainly was! Kind regards, Gordon
Thanking you
My pleasure! Kind regards, Gordon
Right now I'm only on season 2 of Outlander (I know I'm way behind LOL) I find the Bonnie Prince Charlie to be rather interesting character. He's passionate about his cause and yet so immature. He had no sense of reality. I feel bad for those who followed him to their own destruction. To his credit he must have been one hell of a talker as the show seems to point out. On a side note Did he actually say "Mark me" all the time? It's funny how he would stake his credibility on something he really could not guarantee.
Yes, Doug, I think a lot of people who followed their hearts instead of their heads in joining his cause, later suffered greatly, which was a great shame. I had never heard any mention of the 'Mark me' comment in relation to him, but it may be true! Kind regards, Gordon
Come on mate get a grip Outlander IS NOT a documentary. The wee Italian was sent by Rome to try to put a catholic back on the throne, nothing more. The rebellion was about religion more than anything else.
@@yourweebrotherI think your orange credentials stir showing through
The that supported the dim wit were from all of the then branchs of the Kirk in Scotland
The clan chiefs were mostly Episcopalian
@@Albanach-je1nk Orange credentials? Don't talk shite. I've no time for ANY religion and that was my point. The rebellion was about religion much more than anything else. BPC was no Scottish hero (more were against him than for him), just a pawn in a religious game.
I appreciate your question; even historical fiction includes some facts, which of course doesn't make it a documentary, but does give additional interest.
I think the frequent repetition of "mark me" in the show was to make the "Bonnie Prince" seem more annoying, and perhaps to be a drinking game for viewers. 😉 Though having a shot of whisky each time "mark me" is said might result in the whisky drinker winding up flat-on-their-face drunk! 😂
Thank You
Pleasure, Michael! Kind regards, Gordon
Would love to hear about Neil MacEachren who helped Prince Charles escape and who's son almost became General of all of the Armies of France, but declined and it fell to Napoleon.
As you can see by my name, the story of Neil fascinates me.
It's an absolutely fascinating story, Mark. I'll try and do a video about it. Kind regards, Gordon
Yes I did wonder but suspected the outcome you did say. Goodness so outlander was historically correct then?
Absolutely, Camilla! Kind regards, Gordon
I read that Charles is buried at the Vatican??
Indeed he is. He is buried in St Peter's Basilica in the Vatican in Rome, alongside his Father, Mother and Brother. Charles' brother, Henry, was a Cardinal who refused to lay claim to the thrones of Britain & Ireland after Charles' death. He remains (I think) one of the longest-serving Cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church.
Very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it, Noreen! Kind regards, Gordon
There's a Polish fellow Peter Pininski, who claims to be the direct descendant of ol Bonnie Prince Charlie...he's forbidden from assuming any sort of English rank on the account of him being Catholic...now if I was Ireland and wanted to really stick it to the English I'd put a crown on him and Declare him Monarch of the Irish Republic...could you Imagine! 🤣😂
I think there’s a few modern day ‘pretenders’ floating about, Ronald! Kind regards, Gordon
Pininski is a direct descendant of Bonnie Prince Charley whose mother was a Polish princess. Wrong side of the blanket though.
Yes, thankyou for relating sympathetically the final years of my namesake - the name Charles derives from the german Karl meaning Freeman...! mistakes are the stepping stones to wisdom.
Good historian sir
Thanks so much, Adam. Glad you found it interesting! Kind regards, Gordon
Dint feel sorry for this selfish ponse thousands of Jackobites suffered and died in his name and in turn clans/ the roots of Scottish tradition torn 11:09 apart
Yes, Helen, I don’t think we should waste our sympathy on Prince Charles Edward Stuart. Kind regards, Gordon
Loved this video! But please - don´t move around with your chair, it´s stressful to look at ;-)
So sorry, Marianne! Thank you very much for pointing this out - I will attempt to resist the urge in the future! I remember many years ago a short video I made featured me clicking and clicking a pen! So annoying! Kind regards, Gordon
Yes very stressful i am now a complete basket case after watching this show
Did he return to the Catholic Faith or remain outside it?
It’s not clear what he did regarding his faith. He only renounced the Catholic faith as he thought this would allow him to try once again to seize the throne of Britain. But obviously this did not happen.
It did not appear to me that faith played a large part in his life, certainly the latter part where he often became drunk and abusive.
Kind regards, Gordon
Ghent was in the Austrian Netherlands, not the independent state.
Thanks, Danny. Kind regards, Gordon
Bonny prince Charlie - a total waste of space
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Forty-Five = See Young Pretender.
How could the pol eho fought with him morn his death whrn theyd been shipped to far flung vornors of the world by the mans enemies. They couldnt jump on a plane to rome to see the funeral.
To make it like noone cared about him, ehen most of thensongs written about him came after his death, is false. Did we forget about the clerances an acts of proscription?
Had he won, it would be a totally different video an we would learn of this great reclaiming of the throne in schools world wide. But he lost one battle. Which was all he needed to lose. An the winners, scared enough of the jacobite movment to commit genocide, write the history books the way they needed. To make sure toteach scots their enemies were idiots an their oppressors were their heros. How sad.
Loch nan ooah ( phonetic) loch of the caves.
Thanking you
My pleasure! Kind regards, Gordon