Pros/Cons - $75k 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4XE aka Plug-In Hybrid
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- Опубликовано: 2 фев 2023
- The 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4XE is now on the market combining Jeep's off-road capability with a silent powertrain yet is it worth the money? Publisher Tim Esterdahl is joined by Video Editor Phil Van Der Vossen to discuss the Grand Cherokee 4XE to see how it fits into their lifestyles.
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I purchased my Grand Cherokee 4xe Summit Reserve late December 2022. I have a few thoughts after watching your reviews. First, charging at home on a level 2 charge at 0.15 $/kWH is certainly a huge value, based on my first month of use. I can drive to work, around town, and back home nearly all on pure electric. My total costs for an average workday is about $2.50 or less. Also, I am seeing great efficiency on medium range trips too (~100 miles). I have only added 15-gallons of fuel since I left the dealership with a full tank. Second, concerning your drive experience, I think there must be a huge difference between the lower level trims and the top trims. My Summit Reserve is super quiet, probably because of the sound and vibration considerations included on the higher trims. The Summit Reserve is covered in sound deadening materials, including dual pane glass everywhere. I don't think the lower trims were intended to compete with the Mercedes GLE/S, Volvo XC and BMW X series vehicles. Yes the core design of the lower trims are similar but the materials are very different. The big differences between those other brands and Jeep is obviously unmatched drivetrain and off road capabilities. This is both a series and parallel PHEV, a little unique in design and offers tremendous user selectable drive options to suit more customer driving scenarios. I think the advantage of the 4xe, and the reason I made the purchase, power and flexibility. Finally, I think the automotive industry is starting to see trends that PHEV can be more reliable than pure ICE vehicles. As an engineer, I falsely assumed more parts and complexity equals less reliability. This is normally true but with this design there is less wear and stress on the engine, breaks, and drivetrain because of the high voltage power system/motors. I would love to see the data on this but I am seeing others report on this design consideration and benefits. Oh, and not having to rely on public charging but having electrical drivetrain benefits is just another awesome reason to by a 4xe over an all electric vehicle. Also, please let us know if you both used max regenerative breaking, this makes a huge difference in efficiency and driving experience.
ok, so you bought 4Xe for 75k just to save few $$ every month on your trips?? that too a 5 seater mid size SUV and also it is not a premium vehicle. Why don't you buy something under 50 grand and invest 25k on swing trades on growth stocks or ETF's to generate monthly revenue??
@@chandu4varsh Ok, first off, I wish it was only $75K, however I did get a fair price. The top trim on this GC 4Xe is still a bargin compared to the few competitors in the luxury 5 seat PEHV class. I did a lot of research. Also, I still wanted to by an American made product. A car in most cases is really a depreciating asset, it was a luxury guilty purchase in my case. I am still happy with the purchase.
@@chandu4varshFuel economy is just like any other feature in a car. Some people will pay extra for a better zero to sixty time but never put their foot to the floor. But it makes them feel good. Also, FYI, there is a benefit to the whole planet of using less fossil fuels.
@@chandu4varsh PHEV means the ICE runs less. It means no vibration and noise while at a stop (the engine is off). Less exhaust fumes entering the cabin during drives since the engine runs less, so less health risk. Less stops at the gas station waiting. PHEV can be extensively idled without burning gas, allowing doing work on job sites idling in the vehicle. The car can be plugged in in your garage, and stay on for long periods of time in the garage, turning the garage into a usable office. PHEV is also about power. It's about adding 2-4 more cylinders worth of hp and torque without using more gas. PHEV also gives you instant torque at 0 rpm/0mph, which makes them quicker off the line than V8s. Performance PHEVs such as this one have fast 0-60 times. At 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, this is the fastest Grand Cherokee that is not a Trackhawk. One then, would see PHEV as a premium feature, not so much saving a few dollars. But, if one drives at least 50% on EV mode, that does mean your gas bill is cut in half, which is saving some $1500 a year. This is such a long list of upgrades.
I am considering getting a Summit Reserve. How do you feel about it all these months later?
4XE owner. Most commutes are about 20miles. Bought a 240V charger for garage/reaches driveway, charges in 2:15mins, 1 thank of gas sometimes lasts me 2 months. I would say not a significant increase in the electric ⚡️ bill. Worked for me 😊
i save 500$ per month on gaz since i had my 4x3 ..was previously using a 2013 gjc overland before..the new 4xe is great..i love it
As an owner, I would like to address a few things. We can go days maybe even a few weeks and never use gas at all. If we go on a 50 mile trip it averages about 40 mpg. However the car computer will show a lower value because it assigns about 50 mpg when in electric which doesn't make any sense.
Once the battery is drained, you can expect it to run like a normal hybrid. We see 22/23 mpg in these situations. Not terrific by any means. BUT better than the same model as a gasser only which is the high teens.
The interior and ride quality is really fantastic. We have a summit
Signed on a '24 Trailhawk 4xE in DEC 2023 and still loving it.
For someone that drives about 20 miles round trip to work everyday, the payback isn't that long. Vehicles get bad gas mileage on short trips so figure two 10 mile commutes would use about 1.5 gallons of gasoline a day on the ICE version. That would be about $4.50 day. If they are getting about 2 miles per kw, that is around 10kw per day (not counting charging inefficiencies). So about $1.10 where I live @ .11 per kw. So the savings is $4.50 - $1.10 = $3.40 per day. Work 5 days a week x 50 weeks = 250 days x $3.40 = $850 per year in gas savings at $3.00/gallon and 11 cents per kwh. So, if as Tim says, they are a few thousand more, you can calculate out how many years it will take to break even...if the buyer even cares. For some it will pay back quicker (a lot of city commuting) and others less (drive fewer days a week or mainly drive hwy speeds).
I tend to agree that most won't really care about the cost to purchase or cost savings of fuel. Most that will buy these are doing it for different reasons: they are interested in the tech, they want to play around with electric-only propulsion in a limited way but not ready to commit to a full BEV, want the ability to fuel with gasoline quickly on long trips or towing, or want to use the silent driving on sections of trails, or in campgrounds, or in their neighborhood, etc. Or just like it because it's different and fun to play with.
If I was going to consider electric vehicles, I would go hybrid instead of all electric. I live in a cold environment, and I don't think the battery technology will last in the cold to get my investment back.
The only damage cold can do to a battery is if you attempt to charge it cold.
I can’t speak for all EV manufacturers, but Tesla solved this by first doing a preheat conditioning of the batteries when plugged in, this way they are at optimal thermal temps for charging. This has a secondary effect of warming the car floor.
It feels so specialized. It would make sense if I still lived in Southern California where I only drove a couple miles per day, had a level 2 hookup at home, and actually had $70,000+. It would be perfect. Unfortunately none of those things are happening in my life right now
Smoke
Best review of JGC 4XE I’ve seen. The only one I found that demonstrates the charging process.
Jeep is currently discounting these by almost $10K, and if you qualify you can get $7500 credit on your federal taxes. Easily puts the 4xe as less expensive than models with the V6.
Jeep is discounting because they are priced too high and people are not buying. The $7,500 tax credit is lowered to $3,750 after April 18. Jeep sales are down about 20% from 2022 and much more from the high in 2018/2019.
This video was a relatively informative down to Earth style of presentation. A bit more detail on the specific options and sticker price of each vehicle would have been even more helpful.
They are ridiculously expensive, however if you are leasing and able to afford a gas version, you can afford the 4xe.. the lease prices will have the government EV tax credit factored in and in a lot of cases depending on where you live a 4xe could end up being cheaper than the gas versions.
Looking forward to getting this for my wife. I have a 2022 F150 powerboost and i'm averaging 24mpg even with 600mi (one way) road trips every few months.
I look at one at Jeep, looks really nice vehicle. 26 epa miles, bet it would do easily 30 ev miles. For a person that works 20 miles or can charge at work 50 mile round trip $0 gas bill!!! Oh, $7500 tax credit too ⚡️👍
You should get a beater used Nissan Leaf for that commute and something awesome for your weekend joy
@@cybertrk I have a Lightning
@@phileasler5401 you’ve got all basis covered then! My buddy in Vegas just one and loves it
The 3.0l eco diesel be a much better choice
In what way?
You can swipe over on the passenger screen and operate the nav while driving.
Standard household supply in Australia is 240v, just waiting for the release of the 4xe and the price now
I'm all for hybrids, but PHEV's just don't make financial sense. Last year I did some calculations using a Toyota Rav4 gas vs hybrid vs PHEV and the payback period for the PHEV approached 90 years (this is for the way I use my vehicle). Additional complexity, additional weight, additional cost, potentially huge repair bill if the battery dies, long payback period. That's just a big NO for me.
90 years seems excessive unless you basically never plug in the PHEV.
@@ALMX5DP I don’t drive a lot of miles each year, so it would take a lot of years to save the $12K difference between the hybrid and the PHEV versions of the RAV4. Maybe not 90 years, but certainly more than the expected life span of the car. It’s been a while since I did that math. I just did a quick bit of math and it came out to more than 25 years.
@@thebigguy lol well that changed pretty dramatically. Sounded like you calculated things only a little while back and accurately remembered what the result was. Might need to recalculate again just to verify. I think comparing like trims, hybrid to PHEV is around 9k (before any potential markups mind you).
@@ALMX5DP The quick math I just did was to go to the Toyota website and use the "starting" prices for each model and the EPA highway mpg's (38 vs 94). I drive about 10K miles per year, so it works out to around $500/year in gas savings. I did more in-depth math the first time, including things like adding in the extra cost of insurance because the PHEV would cost more to insure, the actual cost of electricity (I pay the second highest rates in the nation), etc. I tried to find the spreadsheet I created, but no luck...
@@ALMX5DP I love the 4xe. After the tax credit it is cheaper then the regular Grand Cherokee. Also they dropped the hemi for 2023 and the 4xe is faster 0-60 then the hemi anyway.
I was wondering how this car is on longer trips? Is the best mode for optimal fuel economy on long trips and/or towing “e-save” and planning to charge along the route?
I have a last gen V6 version and was always wanting more power for longer road trips so really wanted to upgrade to a 2019 to 2022 Hemi version. But the plug-in (with government and work incentives and the lower financing rate) makes more sense, along with the majority of driving being in town. Just wondering how it is on longer cruising journeys.
Great, helpful video by the way.
I wonder if the electric drivetrain will help keep the ice drivetrain from falling apart at 60k miles
Same drive train
I'm at 90k on my ICE and still not one problem. I have a Overland so maybe they just use better parts on higher trims.
I have a 2014 Grand Cherokee Limited w/ 5.7L Hemi, I'm at 155K and the engine sounds the same as it did when I bought it new.
I bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe and really like it. My only complaint is that I wish the car regenerated the battery more like my Camry, which I never need to plug in. THe Jeep, uses up the battery first, when it's available and gets great MPG's but it should either last longer or regenerate as you drive aka Toyota like, which is a perfected system. Everything else, I like the Jeep
I’d love to purchase one, but not at the 70K price point. It would be prefect for our situation. I which they would make the PHEV available in lower trim models, I don’t need the air ride suspension or the passenger dash screen.
The passenger screen is standard across all trims, including base (limited). The Overland trim these guys were driving is the next trim up from base. However, I believe they have 2 added options/packages...the Luxury IV package and the ProTech III. You do get a few nice amenities when these packages are added like Heads up display, massaging seats and air suspension. If you drop down to the base/limited trim its msrp is $59,500, depending on color.. By adding the Luxury II Tech package, which runs $2775, you gain nearly all of the standard features of the Overland. Included in the Lux II are rain-sensitive wipers, ventilated front seats, 2nd row privacy screens, power tilt and telescoping wheel with driver memory for 2 drivers, 360 surround view camera system, and more niceties too numerous for me to mention here. The optioned out Overland for $75,000 drops to a somewhat more tolerable $64,400. The only way to go with financing is a 36 month lease. All Grand Cherokees 4xe's qualify for the EV $7500 credit. When you lease, the tax credit becomes additional cash applied to the initial down payment. Currently, depending on where you live, Stellantis has multiple lease-only incentives totaling an additional $6000. If you can find a dealer who will sell below msrp, (my dealer is discounting 6% off the top), you can add all the discounts up to around $18,000 off, which brings your lease sales price down to a much more reasonable $46,000. With $2500 due at signing, my 36 month lease with 12K miles per year come out to $518 / month. Right now the lease incentives plus the EV credit (only available on the 4xe's) really can make this model affordable.
Would love it if the powertrain was available as an a la carte option instead of only being available on top trims.
It's not only in top trims. You can find one for $64k now discounted to $58k. But yea....not cheap
I ride a 4XE Overland, I just leased for 24 months. I love this car. I do one way and almost half back home on electric. Really works for me. 29 miles during the Summer charges and 27 miles in cold temps. The car is perfect for me all around. The options are wonderful in it. Great ride, smooth, very comfortable, air ride is fantastic. This is my 4th Jeep GC. However, I would never buy first EV or Hybrid from Jeep. They have zero experience and its too risky, once you are done with factory coverage. Good luck going to repair a Hybrid. Very complex to work on and the labor rate, these days, are insane. Not worth it for me. Also, shopping for extended coverage will be expensive via any dealer.
On the passenger Screen does it also do navigation? Like if my wife wanted to put in a destination can she do it on that screen or is it just for videos and music?
Yes IIRC, you can do navigation and then send it to the big screen.
@@Pickuptrucktalk see now that makes it worth it to me as I can have my wife put in destinations and I can just drive, then she can also listen to her music etc.. as well. 😊
On a long trip after you use up the battery (after approximately 25 miles of driving) why wouldn't you switch to e-save mode and recharge the battery while using the gas engine? This would prevent you from having to stop and recharge at a charging station (and wasting 2+ hours).
When you’re out of charge and your on a 4 lane highway with hills does it downshift and rev a lot? Can you pass other cars effectively or is the motor too weak?
I don't recall having an issue with passing speed. Felt like it was powerful enough to me even without the battery helping.
This man has the most smoothest skin ever.
The 6.9 is likely the max power the Jeep can handle
These things are ridiculously expensive I once owned a 95 jeep grand Cherokee 5.2 and the window sticker in 95 was $74,000 cdn Jeep has to be the only brand where they've been always expensive I paid $1200 for it with just over 100,000 km but I feel sorry for the owner that paid that much for it 😂
Was the exchange rate that bad back then? I recall top spec GCs having an MSRP of under $30k USD back then.
@@ALMX5DP I don't know at 95 I was around 10 years old 😂 but after a major recession I'd expect prices to be lower than that but that's what the window sticker said and I was really shocked 70k back in the day is about 100k now and no jeeps are that much a Jeep GC overland is around 90k cdn fully loaded now doesn't make sense to me
@@ALMX5DP I bought the jeep around 2008 and it had 102,000km on it for $1200 I got a steal on it 😎
@@ALMX5DP I do remember as a kid the usd was strong and the cdn wasn't but I don't know exactly how much was the difference maybe 1 usd was 1.50 cdn in 95 so 75k would be 50 if I did my calculations right lol
You can get a charger anywhere
price ?
Good question. Mine was $75k.
@@Pickuptrucktalk some good winter reviews . like the looks over the wagoneer would like to drive this and the new inline I-6
@@Pickuptrucktalk makes $40k for a new Tesla Model Y seem like an obvious choice over this thing.
@@cybertrk Tesla rules
@@cybertrk a model y where I live is 70k for a basic model this jeep is 80k cdn fully loaded I'd still take the Jeep even though reliability is not great it's nowhere as bad as a Tesla 😂
Um you guys are driving the Trail Rated version so you are driving on tires for the trail not a smooth drive duh. get the 20" tires for the road and not the trail rated version.
yeah jeep does need level 3 charging
Why? The battery pack is too small and not thermally managed. It would still only charge at like 12kwh max even on DC charging. The limitation is the cell chemistry and thermal management
Hey! They’re still making the L version
Not as a 4XE
You can't get a grand cherokee l 4xe correct?
Yes you can. This is a review of one and here’s the link on Jeep.com
www.jeep.com/bmo.grand_cherokee_wl_4xe.2023.html#/models/2023/grand_cherokee_wl_4xe
You are correct the L does not come in 4xe.
@@KnightAtomic ah. So the | was an “L”?
@@Pickuptrucktalk dang lower case L's looking like upper case i's or the pipe operator 😂😂
First time with plug-in eh? Wrong plug lol
Tim, I thoroughly enjoy this channel and the depths you go to to inform your viewers. However, please stop mentioning mpg if you or Jill are not going to mention critical contextual elements such as whether the terrain is flat/hilly, highway mph and whether you’re using CC or your foot to maintain speed. Without at least to two of those contextual elements the mpg data you mention lacks consistency and validity.
The Jeep Commander I liked better this even though Jeep does not make it anymore
yes they do it's called The Jeep Grand Cherokee L and it's much better then the Commander because it's longer
I am amazed that Jeep has not thought of turning Jeep into a generator to run my home or shop. I live in SA and we have planned black outs of 6 -10 hours per day so I would use this car . In the US you have natural disasters all the time it would make sense to use this for generator.. and of course have a fast charger
I think Jeep just anounced on the 2024 Jeep Wrangler it will have a 3.6 Kilowatt generator capability.
@@ivansolares2448 well now I have to convince Jeep to pretty pls export it to South Africa...I had my eye on the outlander but 3rd row kiddy seats and no spare wheel ? I cannot be left without a wheel here.. could mean my demise. So then I looked at the Tank PHEV. But cannot run my shop . No fast charger ..BUT. No one will kill me for it either . South Africa economy's is shattered no electricity. So makes sense to be able fast charge then release back to work shop. I do like Jeep PHEV . Slim chance of being hijacked and shot for it to.