Moravian Workbench Assembly Process
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2021
- Workbench top is 4” x 21” x 76”; height is 32”
Some photos and outdated sketchup file can be found at dropbox link below. It’s outdated sketchup because the split-top was a last minute change and some of the dimensions might be different.
www.dropbox.com/sh/b01dt0xfwz...
Mounting the top issues:
Mounting the top with just dowels is the way Will Myers has his moravian workbench. For some reason, this did not work for me. I was having issues with the holdfasts where they would actually lift the top slightly when engaging the holdfast. I tried this dowel method twice by plugging the holes and trying again. It still didnt work so then I tried dominos as they are beefier than the dowels but the holdfast still kept lifting the top. I then resorted to using some ductile threaded plates and machine bolts to mount the top and now all works well. In the end, I’m actually happy with the metal fasteners since they allow me to easily lift one end of the bench to slide it away from the wall when more space is needed.
Nice Rubovian bench. I definitely like the deletion of the junk tray, extra bench top is so nice.
Haha thanks! I almost went with the tool tray but changed my mind last minute.
I agree with that
Yeah: thinking of doing that also. Not sure I like the tool tray …
Coolest part of the Moravian is that you can continue to customize each individual part to your liking.
Nice joinery on this build.
There is something wonderful about a design that is hundreds of years old which is still functional today
Thank you! You can’t beat the classic french, english, continental, and moravian designs. All great workbench designs that are timeless.
I love that all this attention was paid to absolutely everything, and still having the practicality to put a good functioning bench over methods which don't work for you on the project. It's absolutely gorgeous and inspiring.
That bench is just stunning. The Moravian design is beautiful in itself, but your wood choices, with the contrasting colors, makes yours exceptionally beautiful. Nice job. I hope you do more woodworking videos. If the rest of your work is as nice as your bench, it will be a great channel to watch.
Impressive! It has all the modifications for the Morovian by W.Myers that I had wished for.
That's an awesome build. I bet you are super happy.
Thank you! I’ve been very happy with the workbench so far in its two year lifespan. The angled leg vise is my favorite feature.
That is some serious workbench, time and money are needed to built that. Awesome!
I built a bench when I started 4+ years ago with a douglas fir top. I've flipped the top once and fiddled with vices & bench stops. This looks like exactly what I want: replaceable top,angled leg vice, blacksmith bench stop. And narrower than my current bench. Thanks for sharing it so I could see it!
Thank you! I’m very happy with the bench. I would make it 24” wide if i would do it again. The 21” width now is fine but I think the extra 3” width would have been a better decision.
@@zer013 Mine is close to 24" now. I have a board down the middle. It's pushed against the wall. The back part is covered w/ tools, etc and I just work on the front. I recently made a dutch tool chest and have that on the back part. So for me, my next will be narrower (16-18" ?) and maybe with a tool tray or hang the DTC on the wall w/ an easier reach.
Absolutely beautiful
I especially love the leg vice because it opens up so much space for the bottom shelf. I tried to angle the vice on my moravian bench, but couldn't make it work (I was using a vice screw and a guide bar with pin holes, didn't have a pin-less chain vice like yours). I guess will give the vice another go.
I love the addition of the dead man
It's such a beautiful bench!
thank you! 😀
Thank you for sharing your twist on this. I made the Will Myers version and love it, including the tray. I admit I haven't tried living without the tray. I have been looking at the underside and thinking of what you did but would likely add a bank of drawers or two. The downside is it makes the portability of the design not possible. Of course I have yet to move it from my shop, so it is me stressing about nothing. Love the bench!
Thank you for watching and commenting. There are some options for drawers to keep with portability aspect. I really love this one. I would do it differently myself and just have some low profile drawers so you can still utilize a shelf and have room for holdfasts. But the cleat design to just rest on the stretchers is genius.
lakeerietoolworks.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/enjoy-this-moravian-workbench-rocky-mountain-beauty-july-2018/
And then there is the other option that I went with. There is a lot of space underneath the stretchers so I just made some drawers to slide underneath.
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REALLY NICE BENCH!! Very jealous. I started to make my own version a while ago and i hope it turns out half as nice as yours
Thank you! The moravian design is amazing and I’m sure you’ll enjoy yours once it’s complete.
Wow man, excellent variation on the original design. I love the shelf and the deadman especially. Beautifully done. I’m just about to build my own and I hope you don’t mind, I might try to incorporate some of your ideas.
Thank you and go right ahead as none of these features are my ideas. I just mixed some tried and true features from Will Myers, Chris Schwarz, and Benchcrafted.
Same here !
Truly a work of love, thank you!
Thanks for watching! 👍🏻
Beautiful bench! Congratulations!
thank you! 😀
Nice ! a Moravian Roubo crossbreed, excellent food for thought. Thanks !
Outstanding design!
Great video as well.
Subscribed and will watch more.
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Nicely crafted!
thank you! 😁
Awesome bench!
Great job, thanks for sharing your video!
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the great video. Your bench is beautiful.
thank you! 😀
very, very good job, specialy the modifications you have made comapring to original design
thank you! i combined some elements that i liked from some of the popular designs 😊
Best bench yet
thanks! 😀
Your's is a beautiful workbench! Nice job!
thank you very much for watching and commenting 😊
Que belleza de banco muy bien hecho
Gorgeous !
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Really outstanding!
thanks! 😀
It's just a masterpiece! You're the best/
Gorgeous
thank you! 😊
Nice work
You have some great looking yellow pine.
thanks! i used what i call the “schwarz method” - 2x12x16s from regular home center
Nice build!
Thank you! 🙏🏻😊
Bravo mate!
thank you! 👍🏻
Those tail vise extension jaws are genius. I will be stealing those ideas presently.
Go for it! I stole the idea from someone on Instagram 😊
Thanks for watching and commenting
very beautiful, I made a moravian too, but with pallet wood
thanks! moravian is a wonderful design in any type of wood 😀
Will Myers monta bancada de trabalho portátil da Moravian em 58s. Voce verá que o cocho de ferramentas, é a ultima parte a ser encaixada e é ela que trava o tampo inteiro. A modificação que voce fez na parte superior, e igual a uma bancada Roubo e ficou sem as travas. Desculpa ai.... acho que foi isso que aconteceu...... mas ficou show.... parabéns..... Abraço (Brasil)
Fantastic!
Thank you! 😊
Magnifique établi.
thank you! 😀
Really nice extras: sliding dead man, angled leg vice, shelf, etc.. Now use the heck out of it.
thanks! it’s actually two years old now so it’s seen multiple projects already. 😀
i like your style
thanks
Hi, love the build and very nice of you to upload the sketch up file as well. What type of wood did you use?
Thank you. It’s mostly southern yellow pine and cherry. The parallel guide is white oak.
Very nice
thank you! 😀
Excellent build! What is the purpose of the middle slotted part of the bench?
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Moravian is not German😐I am from Moravia which is placed between Czechia and Slovakia. Moravia has proud and long history. Great Moravia was the first state (founded around 830AD) in Central Europe spanning Czechia, Slovakia, todays Hungary, parts of Poland, Serbia, Ukraine, Austria, Germany, Croatia, and Slovenia. Now Moravia is part of Czech republic, but that's another story.
How Moravians came to Germany:
In 1722 Moravians, members of the very first organised protestant church in the world, Unitas Fratrum (Unity of Bretherns), fled religious persecution and settled in Saxony (Germany), where they founded Herrnhut.
Unitas Fratrum was founded in 1457AD, before Lutherans, Kalvinists, Anglian church etc.
From Herrnhut Moravians went as missionaries into many countries including America. Moravians were known in Germany for handicraft production and that was how they supported themselves in America as well. Hence Moravian workbench in todays US.
And yes, we do have Moravian benches in Moravia 😉.
And I just built one of them here in UK. Few hundred years from now and Englishmen will claim, that Moravians are Brits, because of my bench 😆😆
It's that beautiful a bench I would be scared to build anything on it in fear of damaging it, It really is a thing of beauty, Who need's Rembrandt when you can make things like this??.
thank you! it has a lot of scars on it from use. it was built to be used 😎
Beautiful! I sub.
thank you!
VERY cool! Nice work in making your gorgeous bench. Ditching the tool tray for extra work space addresses one doubts I have had about this bench. What does each section of laminated top weigh?
Thanks for posting.
Thank you! I listed the weights in the video. It’s captioned in the bottom corner.
Holy smokes,@@zer013, I'm an idiot! I'll rewatch and look out for the weights. Thanks for the quick answer.
Really beautiful and sturdy bench!! How does this vise pinless mechanism work?
I have no idea. Physics class is the reason I switched majors lol. I bought the kit here if you want to take a look.
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Very nice build! The moravian (hey this is German as I am 😃) and the Nickolson were both on my short list last year. I decided for the latter in the knockdown version after reading Chris Schwarz book. I'm really happy with it, but since building a bench is so much fun I might build a Moravian soon, too 😂
The only problem is that all of the hardware parts you showed including the wooden screw are very hard to get in Germany...
I was leaning towards a nicholson workbench myself after reading Chris Schwarz’s blue workbench book. I stumbled upon Will Myers video of the moravian workbench and was immediately drawn to the angled legs and tusk tenons. You can use any vise hardware that’s available to you on your moravian. Thanks for watching!
I saw a RUclipsr make a wooden screw. You need a plastic container to encase wood and oil (cant remember the type). The wood spends days in it absorbing the oil making the wood soft and carvable without breaking appart. The other equipment is something you can turn all the way down the wood that carves the plane. I think it was in a King workshops video. A lot of work but it is possible.
@@gm2407 I did something similar when building a Moxon vice screw recently (see fotos here: www.dictum-handwerksgalerie.de/mit-moxxon-haelt-es-besser/).
This is a 1 1/2" version made of maple stock. It works reasonably well and was not too hard to get right (with a set of cutters from Dictum for about 60€). The problem is the threads slope, around 6.5 tpi, which is too fine for a workbench really. The Lake Erie sets are much coarser and better quality I think.
@@doedeldidoedelda Well at least the option is there if the equipment is sourceable. But I would certainly think making the screw would be the hardest part of the job due to risk of damage to the whole piece of wood or the risk of finding a knot whilst carving.
@@doedeldidoedelda Does Lee Valley ship to you? They carry the Lake Erie woodscrews.
Beautiful job! Is the top made of hardwood? Oak, maple.
Thank you. The top and majority of the workbench is southern yellow pine. The darker pieces are cherry.
Fancy!
Is that pine and cherry? I’m going to be building one from pine soon but I want to use another kind of wood to make it look better. This one looks great but I’m not sure what wood it is
Yes, southern yellow pine and cherry. The cherry has aged beautifully over the past two years. It wasn’t as dark when I first built it.
Great build alot of work and expense! I'm surprised you did not just use a tenon block and wedges to hold the top on place then? Bolts snd a ratchet wrench just well so out of place, still scratching my head! Need a new conclusion to this bench! Good work on it all thumbs up from me!
Thanks! I was upset at first with the bolts but in practice, they are amazing. I keep the bench against the wall so the bolts mean I can lift one side away from the wall easily when needed. I would add the bolts again if I built a new one 😀
Love your bench! I wondered if you had a tenon at the top of the left front leg and a mortise on the underside of the top to resist pressure from the vise, but I realized the machine bolts and threaded plates are doing that job. Before you added the bolts/plates, did the dowels provide adequate resisting force?
Thank you! I added the bolts because my tops would lift up when engaging the holdfasts. I never really tried the vise without the bolts so I cannot speak with experience. I have seen others with a similar leg vise that only use the dowel method.
I am using only dowels and the vise is installed using only joinery to hold it, no troubles whatsoever.
When you say that you used "southern yellow pine" -- did you use dimensional lumber from a big box store or something from a lumber yard/or wherever? Thinking about making one soon!
Correct. Big box dimensional lumber as Christopher Schwarz writes about in his book.
OutSTANDING! I love the hybridization of the Moravian with the Roubo, and you NAILED the balance, there!
That is to say: you did a superb job of keeping the strengths of each while ditching some of their... call it "less-amazing elements."
The problem with the Roubo is it relies both on too many hard 90's and the (somewhat fiddly, in some cases) precision joinery of big, heavy, expensive blocks of timber, meaning you're doubly screwed if you cut something a bit too wide.
My beef if the Moravian really boils down to its relative lack of mass and (personal preference, here, albeit) the fact I hate sawdust tra- err, "tool trays".
Admittedly, I can take or leave leg vices, though I absolutely acknowledge the structural significance in this case, and, let's face it: that was a sexy-ass implementation you didn't there. It sure as hell ain't gonna HURT nothing, and again... that's a HOT example of it!
Well done, man!
Inspiring. I'm still using my first horrible workbench, which is a few 2 x 6s edge glued to form an 1 1/2 thick table top, sitting on 2 saw horses. I'd like to build one of these. Do you have plans?
I don’t have any plans but I just added a drop box link to the description. There’s a sketchup file and additional photos. The sketchup file is not an exact copy as I made some changes as I began the build. If you want detailed plans, check out woodandshop.com.
@@zer013 Thank you. Your bench is beyond me at this point, but what I'm reaching for.
@@bbiermanster I’d say the joints in this workbench are approachable for any skill level to be honest. I never cut any of these joints before this build so they were all first experiences for me. I watched the Will Myers video a lot and tried my best to replicate his instructions. Give it a shot and you may be surprised.
how did you do the chain setup for the bottom of your vice. Looks really cool, would love to try it.
i bought the chain kit from ancora yacht company. google search “chain vise”
Hey, what a nice workbench. Im just curious why is it called Moravian? Im from Morava region in Czech Republic which is called after the Morava river. It is old Celtic name. Cheers!
Beautiful build! What are the threaded flanges that receive the bolts for the top? I've been trying to find something similar and find nothing close.
Thank you! It’s the same hardware that Christopher Schwarz recommended for his “Knockdown Nicholson” workbench. Google “Knockdown Nicholson Hardware” and that should bring you to the blog post with McMaster-Carr product numbers.
@@zer013 Thanks Chris, McMaster-Carr is the bomb!
That is a beauty. When you said “Will Myers Tail Vise”, did you build that too or buy one?
sorry for the delay. i bought it from will. he does some small production runs in his spare time. if you google will myers tail vise, you can find his blog to send him a message if you’re interested.
Which species of wood did you use for what?
Definitely one of the nicest Moravian benches I’ve seen on the Internet. Stunning!
What dimensions did you use for the legs (looks like 3 1/2 x 5...?) and long stretchers?
thanks! yeah, i increased the size of the legs since i was going with the larger diameter of the wooden screw versus a metal one. the legs are 3 3/8” x 5”. i don’t recall the long stretchers offhand but those were made to the same specs as will’s plans. i think like 2 7/8” x 3 1/2”
What's the point of building Moravian if you need big screws to assemble it?
This is my favorite workbench on RUclips for all the same reasons others have listed in the comments. I live in a condo and want a workbench just like this, only smaller.
I'm new to woodworking and don't have knowledge of wood variety. I do know that pine is considered soft and lightweight, but easily scratches/dents. What was your rationale for choosing pine? Also, if I were to forego soft wood, what combination of hard woods would you recommend?
Lastly, is there anything you would add/delete after working with the bench over time?
Thank you for the generous compliment. First thing I would recommend is to head over to Lost Art Press’s website and download “The Anarchist’s Workbench”. It’s free to download. See Chapter 3 “For the Love of Yellow Wood”. My workbench is heavily influenced by Christopher Schwarz even though it’s not his design. I followed his instructions on the use of construction lumber.
Things I would change:
- Increase width to 24” wide
- Increase the length to 7’
- Eliminate the deadman so my dog holes could be closer to the edge
- Use a solid piece of wood for the “gap stop” (I don’t like the tool holes in actual use)
I wrote a thread about my workbench on Rex Krueger’s forum. You can check that out if you want.
forum.woodworkforhumans.com/t/split-top-moravian-workbench/7827?u=christopher_orso
Thanks for the reply and tips!
Very nice bench you made really good job.
What is the angle of the legs? 15,20 degrees?
thank you! the angle i used was 16 degrees
@@zer013 thanks for the replay. I already start to building too just my leg vise will be metal because wooden vise to expensive around here. Hope will not wobble so much.
Hey Chris, I hope you see this. Question: what is the purpose of the slots in the center board between your two halves of the top?
It’s supposed to be a place to hold tools. Some people love it, but I hate it. It doesn’t do a good job at holding narrow tools like chisels vertically and it’s just more places for chips and shavings to fall on tbe shelf. It’s one of the things I would change if I built it again - it would just be a solid center piece.
I especially like the Rubo split top. Your own design?
Thank you. I wouldn’t say it’s my own design. I just mixed some existing designs popularized by Will Myers, Chris Schwarz, and Benchcrafted. They’re the ones who get the credit.
where you guys come with that name , I'M from Moravia, doing cabinetry since 80' got my grandfather tools, and i never see such contraption there ? It looks cool, craftsmanship is spectacular don't make me wrong we just don't do those slanted legs, wierd vise on side or that wagon vise and split top benches here
The name comes from a Moravian settlement in North Carolina during the 18th century. There is a workbench from that era currently stored in a museum in Old Salem, NC. That workbench was copied by Will Myers and mine is loosely based on the copied version.
@@zer013 Thank You, looks great
What glue sid you use on the leg stretchers?
I used titebond III on all of the laminations and titebond hide glue on all of the joints.
What type of wood is this?
I really like some of your changes to the original design. You said, "I was having issues with the holdfasts where they would actually lift the top slightly when engaging the holdfast." Was that because the holdfast was in a hole in one of your half-tops while attempting to apply clamping pressure on the other?
seems rathe likely, from my point of view.
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This is a pretty solid little workbench. While once you figure out how it comes together, it is physically Easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh by yourself. But the diagrams explaining the steps are really pretty bad. I could not get the handle pins in all the way despite multiple attempts, so I just used a screw I had on hand for the 2nd handle. I could not get the first pin in further or pull it back out. You are supposed to hammer it in, but I had no leverage and the handle is plastic and I did not want to risk breaking it. I will get a lot of use out of the bench because of the convenient size and height. It does fold up nicely for storage. They even explain how to fold it so you don't get pinched...that is important!
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