History of the Tibeto-Burman Languages

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • History of the Tibeto-Burman Languages, Proto Sinotibetan, Proto Tibeto-Burman, Burmese, Loloish, Qiangic, Tangut, Karenic, Nungish, Tujia, Bodish, Tshangla, West Himalayish, Tamangic, Magaric, Kiranti, Dhimalish, Tani, Siangic, Bodo-Garo, Konyak, Jingpho-Luyish, Naga, Kuki-Chin, Meitei
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    Ether Real - Density & Time
    On Foot - Underbelly & Ty Mayer

Комментарии • 268

  • @DionysiosPhryx
    @DionysiosPhryx 2 года назад +117

    Nice job, really impressed how complex this family is. Mountainous areas typically show high degree of linguistic diversification. I wish Korea and Japan next please... these videos are great...You have already covered a lot of language families. I hope you continue these series of language families.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +15

      Thank you very much

    • @n_asmo
      @n_asmo 2 года назад +8

      It'd be interesting to see both of those languages, but I think it'll be a bit difficult since both are language isolates and we dont know their exact origin. And as I know, most Korean writing samples are less than 1000 years old, making us hard to determine what kind of languages were used back then.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад +1

      @@n_asmo u can view dragon historian's videos on it. there have been theories and research for the past decades about their origins, enough that there's two branches of theories for each koreanic or japonic family's origins

    • @n_asmo
      @n_asmo 2 года назад +2

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx Yes I've seen their videos about them earlier.

    • @Wandrative
      @Wandrative Год назад +1

      @@n_asmo 'Most Korean Samples' ... because there is a very large amount of Korean samples remaining from the Goryeo onwards. This does not mean the previous ones are non existent, not does it mean that we cant understand them through anthropological migration patterns. Korean is a Paleosiberian Language Isolate, which means that its close relatives are non existent in the modern age. We still know where it comes from.

  • @loveall69
    @loveall69 2 года назад +40

    Sino-Tibetan ➡️ Tibeto-Burman ➡️ Sal ➡️ Bodo-Garo ➡️ Boroic ➡️ Kokborok (Tripuri) ❤️

    • @Tom-l4z1z
      @Tom-l4z1z Год назад +1

      Nini para boro

    • @Inertia.
      @Inertia. 5 месяцев назад

      any idea how tripura is related to the Kirats of Nepal.
      The ancient name of Tripura was Kiratpura.

    • @loveall69
      @loveall69 5 месяцев назад

      @@Inertia. that's only a myth written by Royal Priests to make Kings happy.
      Tripura has No connection with Kirat or Nepal.

    • @Inertia.
      @Inertia. 5 месяцев назад

      @@loveall69 quite a bold statement to be honest. In modern history, there is no connection but I believe in ancient history, there is a shared point of culture which dates back to a few thousand years.

    • @dungdungahhahhdungdung2054
      @dungdungahhahhdungdung2054 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Inertia.🤭🤣😂lmfao

  • @장인호-s3m
    @장인호-s3m 2 года назад +39

    Finally! Indeed, it is hard to work on whole Sino-Tibetan Languages, but you did address the location of Proto-Sino-Tibetan and the way the two main groups initially spilt. Thanks!

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +5

      Thank you. Indeed the whole of Sino-Tibetan seems almost impossible

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад +2

      @@CostasMelas what if the video here combined with the video on sinitic languages that dragon historian made, plus the info about the chinese diasporas in southeast asia that i commented to you long ago?

    • @samuelfanning6598
      @samuelfanning6598 4 месяца назад

      Actually the latest genetic reaearch suggested that the early Proto-Sino-Tibetan was from coastal Shandong and that the languages split during upstream migrations.

  • @KelzangDorji
    @KelzangDorji 2 года назад +120

    Sadly the Tibeto-Burman languages and dialects today are endangered and extinct in the hands of Indo-Aryan languages. Almost all the Tibeto-Burman Nepali people have given up their language and dialects to Indo Aryan Nepali. Hardly anyone speaks the Tibeto-Burman languages there. Same can be said about the Tibeto-Burman people of India. Today they most commonly use Indo-Aryan languages like Hindi, Assamese, Bengali, Nagamese Creole, and more and more Tibeto-Burman people aren't able to speak their languages and dialects day by day. With the continuation of the trend, the extinction of all the Tibeto-Burman languages and dialects in India and Nepal is not so far away.

    • @3haAD900
      @3haAD900 2 года назад +13

      the indian government gives grants here for education so major tibeto burman languages here at least are spoken widely

    • @KelzangDorji
      @KelzangDorji 2 года назад +21

      @@3haAD900 don't know much about that but in places like Nagaland, Arunachal and Assam in India where I have lived, Tibet-Burman languages are either extinct or rapidly getting endangered. Almost all the Naga people today don't speak their language but rather the Nagamese Creole which is one form of Assamese... the Arunachali people use either Hindi or Assamese as de facto lingua franca and many of them aren't able to speak their language and have adopted either Hindi or Assamese even at their homes and the number keeps increasing... even in Assam, most of Tibeto-Burman people have adopted Assamese... can't say much about other North East states. Outside India, most of the Tibeto Burman people in Nepal only speak Nepali, the national language and can't speak their language. In Bangladesh, the Tibeto Burman people have lost their original language to Indo Aryan languages. For example... Chakma language.

    • @alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696
      @alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696 2 года назад +28

      just gonna ignore the whole of tibet being under sinicization by china...

    • @3haAD900
      @3haAD900 2 года назад +8

      @@KelzangDorji True, thats unlucky in that sense. The Indian government should give more grants and funding to native language teaching.
      My grandma spoke a small rural (non tibetan though) language but she hasnt passed it down and there are only a few speakers of it left

    • @jagatdeuri3261
      @jagatdeuri3261 2 года назад +8

      True, i speak *deori language* its the only eastern Bodo-Garo language.

  • @wsm2545
    @wsm2545 2 года назад +15

    You're nothing but a legend, keep working on, m8 🙌

  • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
    @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns 2 года назад +40

    Wow! Congratulations!! I think this makes you the first and so far only channel on RUclips to have tackled all the complex language families in Eurasia-Africa. I'm guessing this, Austroasiatic and Niger-Congo would've been the hardest.
    I'm guessing this means we can look forward to the Sinitic languages next. It was definitely a good idea to separate Tibeto-Burman and deal with this separately to Sinitic. I think Sinitic won't be as hard, thankfully.
    One very good thing with what you do is if there are errors, or when there future developments in paleolinguistics, others can build on your work, and even you can build on your own work, and any changes made should be easy to modify.
    Again, well done! You are performing a wonderful service to the global community.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +9

      Thank you very much for the comment. Indeed, it was maybe the most difficult (a possible top five is Tibeto-Burman, Nilo-Saharan, Austroasiatic, Berber, Niger-Congo)

    • @飛流直上三千尺哪個宅
      @飛流直上三千尺哪個宅 2 года назад +1

      @@CostasMelas what about Hmong-mien?

    • @DanksterPaws
      @DanksterPaws 2 года назад +1

      Not the first! But always the most reliable.

    • @Skikdii
      @Skikdii Год назад

      @@CostasMelas Are you sure "berber" was one of the most difficult because I saw the video and it is completely based on no other evidences than your imagination

  • @demechikgaming7802
    @demechikgaming7802 2 года назад +23

    we are Garo people from North East India also family of Tibeto Burman language Now we are talking Bodo Garo

  • @bletrick3352
    @bletrick3352 2 года назад +12

    Most underrated channel on RUclips

  • @mycarima3497
    @mycarima3497 2 года назад +14

    Interesting visualisation and quite informative. I learned a lot through your videos. Great job!

  • @sanexpreso2944
    @sanexpreso2944 2 года назад +21

    Do you plan to make videos of the native language families of America? If you need help there are two theories about these, the first says that there are 3 families of languages that are the Eskimo-Aleutian, Na-dene and the Amerindian that would be the most numerous and the ones that cover more territory, the other theory says that there are many families each in a specific region, for example Quechua is part of the Quechua languages, Aymara of the Aymara languages

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +10

      Yes, it is in the future plans. Thank you very much

    • @Chubbchubbzza007
      @Chubbchubbzza007 2 года назад

      As far as I know the idea of the Amerindian family has been widely debunked.

  • @tristansoendergaard7867
    @tristansoendergaard7867 2 года назад +13

    Thank you Costas, you are the best.

  • @alaioron6567
    @alaioron6567 2 года назад +13

    I speak Bodo language.. A language that belongs to sal sub group of tibeto Burman language.. With more than 2.5 million we make largest in northeast India

  • @idudonte
    @idudonte 2 года назад +12

    Are you ever planing on creating your version of "languages of the world" map? I think you would do well with the amount of data you're collecting

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +11

      I would love to make it but it will be a very difficult job

    • @andreparoni
      @andreparoni 2 года назад +2

      @@CostasMelas If there is anyone who can do it... that's you though!

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 2 года назад +10

    Tibetan language probably had influence on Mongolia during late Ming and Qing dynasty (17~19 century) due to the diffusion of Tibetan Buddhism in Mongol tribes. Tibetan was regarded as the writing language of Mongolian Buddhism temples (Zuu) by local lamas, and quite a few Mongol infants were given Tibetan names (such as Dorj, Nyima, Tenzin, Yunden etc) by lama instead of previous native names during that period. Most of Mongolian elites didn't use native Mongol names until mid 20th century. I think Mongolian plateau should be slashed in dark blue that period as the linguistic evidence that Tibet influenced Mongolia in terms of religion.

  • @joshygoldiem_j2799
    @joshygoldiem_j2799 2 года назад +8

    Please make another version where you include the Sinitic languages, they're just as much Sino Tibetan as Tibetan and Burmese!

  • @limeliciousmapping4652
    @limeliciousmapping4652 2 года назад +21

    Wow, I've been waiting for this series to return! Great job as always. How did the today Burmese languages move places so suddenly from Western China to Myanmar!?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +21

      Thank you. They expanded towards Burma during the Nazhao invasions in Burma. The migrations are results of domino effect triggered by steppe peoples (such as the european case between 5th and 8th century).

    • @pyaephyo6955
      @pyaephyo6955 2 года назад +1

      I thought we Burmese were served as horse riders under Nazho kingdom. After Nazho Invision of Pyu city states most Burmese didn't go back their homeland be of wide lands to stay. In Burmese language we called ourselves as "Myan-mar" Myan means quick, mar means strong, literally Myan-mar can mean Quick and strong horse man

    • @moulun.9826
      @moulun.9826 2 года назад +6

      @@pyaephyo6955It is Mranma ,horsearmy,Cavalry.
      What????!!We, Mranma people didn't make any invasion on Piú (aka Piào,Tù Ló Zhú) and their city states.We helped them more powerful.We are same people, Tibeto-Burman.We helped to expand their territory.
      2. Pyu is Mranmá and Mranmá is Pyu(Same Tibeto-Burman people).They are in our blood.Just name's Changing.
      3. Mranmá(Tibeto-Burman) people's first Invision in Myanmar was on Mon people from South.There were many wars between old Mon people and us.

    • @赵汉卿-q8z
      @赵汉卿-q8z 2 года назад +3

      @Pyae Phyo Myan =Chinese 敏(min) =quick

    • @terraminsan7392
      @terraminsan7392 Год назад +1

      Nope.Mranma are Bamar and Rakhine.Pyu are other Tibeto Burman like Yaw,Pa o'

  • @nikhilalbert3084
    @nikhilalbert3084 2 года назад +7

    Lepcha, Limbu and Bhutia are missing. They are the oldest East Asiatic inhabitants of the Mountains.

  • @samuelfanning6598
    @samuelfanning6598 4 месяца назад +1

    Out of curiosity, could you provide the sources you consulted that support the idea that the Pyu city-states were Jingpo-Luish speaking?
    Also, in the sources I read, they mention that the southern Kuki-Chin languages only reached the hills around the 8th or 9th century CE. Did you encounter literature that suggest the linguistic group spread gradually from the Naga Hills?

  • @Unknown10446
    @Unknown10446 2 года назад +7

    Awesome Bro! 😀👌🏻

  • @洪天貴福
    @洪天貴福 2 года назад +20

    very nice given that the homeland and the order in which the sino tibetic branches splitting off from the common ancestor is very difficult to determine with a high degree of precission.
    but I don't like when he makes proto languages to be too late for differentiation, the proto sino tibetic was more likely to be spoken between 4000-4800 BC and proto austro asiatic 5000-7000 BC respectively

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +9

      Thank you. Yes, there is a great degree of tolerance for the early period of this family. Tibeto-Burman is also difficult even in more recent times.

    • @Nullius_in_verba
      @Nullius_in_verba 2 года назад +3

      Indeed ST should be related to Yangshao culture,not to the sinitic Longshan

    • @GL-iv4rw
      @GL-iv4rw 2 года назад +1

      Seems like he starts off every video at 3000 BCE. Proto-Sino-Tibetan was probably spoken around 5200 BCE and differentiation probably happened circa 4000 BCE. So the proto-Sinitic period was like 4000-2000 BCE, which was contemporaneous with the era of the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors (the genesis of Chinese history)

    • @Nullius_in_verba
      @Nullius_in_verba 2 года назад

      @@GL-iv4rw Strange thing about this video is that he begins generally at 4000bc when it comes on primary language families..so i found this choice almost weird

  • @Ahaa686
    @Ahaa686 2 года назад +3

    Cool video but please do more history of religion videos. Make one about sects of buddhism and non zoroastrian iranic religions.

  • @ErmisSouldatos
    @ErmisSouldatos 23 дня назад +1

    I haven't really heard of the Arunachal and Greater Bai branches of Sino-Tibetan, videos on them (as well as the overall Sino-Tibetan family) would surely be interesting

  • @ErmisSouldatos
    @ErmisSouldatos 23 дня назад +2

    Can anyone please provide more information about the Qiangic-Tangut languages? They seem to have lingered in parts of Northern China until pretty late

  • @jagatdeuri3261
    @jagatdeuri3261 2 года назад +8

    Sino-tibetian ➡️ Tibeto- Burman ➡️ Sal ➡️ bodo-garo ➡️ *Deori*
    It's the only eastern Bodo-garo language.

  • @JcDizon
    @JcDizon 2 года назад +8

    Umm what happened in 1:15 - 1:18? The language family diversified but everything disappeared except for Proto-Tibeto-Burman. Was that a mistake?
    Edit: My bad, I was thinking that the video is about the whole Sino-Tibetan but it's actually only about Tibeto-Burman.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +5

      Yes, it focuses on the Tibeto-Burman branch.

    • @신중용
      @신중용 2 года назад

      RIP Chinese Language 🇨🇳🇭🇰🇲🇴🇹🇼🈚️🥟🍵🐉

    • @Furina_Is
      @Furina_Is Год назад

      @@신중용 Poor guy Tibetan and han are one language family you need to do some research

  • @zuthmani9955
    @zuthmani9955 2 года назад +4

    Nice one 👍👍
    Can u do one for dardic and surrounding languages?
    It would be great if you could do that

    • @king_halcyon
      @king_halcyon Год назад +1

      dardic was done in the indo aryan one but it was an independent sub group there. I would love a separate vid on it.

  • @frankolioman
    @frankolioman 2 года назад +2

    Nice. Will you be doing the Sinitic languages as well?

  • @joaocorreia524
    @joaocorreia524 2 года назад +3

    Come for the historical maps, stay for the ambient music

  • @sean668
    @sean668 2 года назад +1

    This is amazing. Where did you find information about the Tujia being displaced from the Yangtze river valley? I've heard this countless times but I can't find any sources

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +3

      Thank you. I used some scholar articles (mainly MJ Brown) and some references to more general articles about Tibeto-Burmans. There are indeed very few articles and publications on this subject

  • @Inertia.
    @Inertia. 5 месяцев назад +1

    Kirant are one of the oldest Tibeto-Burman groups.
    Kirants are said to have been ruling in the Himalayas for thousands of years with the most well documented case being that of in Nepal.
    Kirants defeated the Gopals and ruled for 1225 years between 800BC and 300AD as per the Gopalvamshavali which presents the 32 different kings of the Kirat Dynasty.

  • @kenanhasan9784
    @kenanhasan9784 2 года назад +4

    Good work.

  • @henrymangsang9241
    @henrymangsang9241 2 года назад +8

    Bodo -Garo ✋, 💖

  • @ProximaCentauri88
    @ProximaCentauri88 2 года назад +4

    Impressive as always! I still wonder if Austroasiatic, Sino-Tibetan, Japonic, and Koreanic have a common ancestor.

    • @AnthonyBoile
      @AnthonyBoile 2 года назад

      Austronesian

    • @littleninjavangchhia9099
      @littleninjavangchhia9099 2 года назад +4

      probably but too far apart from a common ancestor .

    • @kellyma2992
      @kellyma2992 Год назад

      i do think sino-tibetan ,Austroasiatic , Austronesian and Hmong could have the same origin but not sure about Japonic, and Koreanic ,they seem quite different,

    • @king_halcyon
      @king_halcyon Год назад

      very distant common ancestor.

  • @destrovskyj
    @destrovskyj 2 года назад +1

    good job👍 i have an idea of a new video: sinitic language and vasconic languages (or pre indoeuropean languages in Europe)

  • @cyrilsuperkonar3422
    @cyrilsuperkonar3422 2 года назад +1

    I absolutely love your videos))

  • @k1r4z.
    @k1r4z. 2 года назад +2

    Can you please also do mongolic and tungustic languages?

  • @kannegnmy-2280
    @kannegnmy-2280 Год назад +1

    I’m Rongmei tribe of Manipur North east India we speak Tibeto Burman language

  • @xrhstoslalalala8269
    @xrhstoslalalala8269 2 года назад +2

    Nice work

  • @mlvluu9836
    @mlvluu9836 10 месяцев назад

    What are your thoughts on the Trans-Himalayan southwestern origin hypothesis?

  • @subhradeepchakraborty2482
    @subhradeepchakraborty2482 Год назад +3

    1:17 wow what just happened there😮

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 Год назад +3

      OP just focusing on Tibeto-Burman.

  • @claytonbennett7797
    @claytonbennett7797 8 месяцев назад

    Wow, this highlights how transient human (and generally mammalian) populations can be.

  • @aleeela
    @aleeela 2 года назад +1

    Excellent work

  • @andrefarfan4372
    @andrefarfan4372 2 года назад +2

    Great video

  • @A-iw1xm
    @A-iw1xm 7 месяцев назад

    I think,
    The burmese language, maps all states /vortex configurations, which the electromagnetic cosmos of an atom can have

  • @gtc239
    @gtc239 2 года назад +2

    Awesome as always!

  • @xXxSkyViperxXx
    @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад +2

    sounds like the music can apply for any map spread video of a people

    • @JcDizon
      @JcDizon 2 года назад +3

      Yeah. It doesn't sound ethnic at all so it could fit anywhere on these mapping videos.

  • @山田次郎-e8i
    @山田次郎-e8i Год назад

    The common proto-language of Chinese and Tibetan is an ethnic language that diverged from near Myanmar.

  • @Samvlogs-oi5hg
    @Samvlogs-oi5hg Год назад +2

    I’m from this language family- Bodo language

  • @se6369
    @se6369 Год назад +1

    Any sources for Sino-Tibetan splitting up that late?

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Год назад

      I think most likely it split around 5000-4000BC

    • @se6369
      @se6369 Год назад

      @@mrtrollnator123 So video is very wrong then?

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Год назад

      @@se6369 I don't know, maybe what I'm saying is wrong as well... I'm not saying he's wrong, but we don't know the exact date of when it split

    • @frankfleming1103
      @frankfleming1103 4 месяца назад

      @@mrtrollnator123 The Han people do not understand Tibetan, only about 8 of the 10 numbers 0-10 are barely understood, and the pronunciation is similar

  • @thongkholunhaokip4373
    @thongkholunhaokip4373 Месяц назад

    Where is the Kuki languages ?

  • @kittusinha4096
    @kittusinha4096 2 года назад +3

    The meitei migration from there reached (India Manipur) which is our land (Bishnupur) and clashed with us and they captured our culture Manipuris and our land 🙂💔.We are suffering we cant get back our land

    • @rodrozil6544
      @rodrozil6544 2 года назад +2

      Bishnupriya are indo aryans I guess?

    • @kittusinha4096
      @kittusinha4096 2 года назад

      Yes we are Indo-Aryans origin.
      Our language is Magadha prakrit.

    • @bikrammayanglambam1776
      @bikrammayanglambam1776 Год назад +3

      Wow any evidence?? Bishnupur district in present day Manipur was under water i will say entire valley was submerged under water. Meiteis used to live in hills with Naga tribes, after the water dried in the valley we Meiteis migrated into the valley area with the concern of our naga brothers. Even today we light lamb and hang it in a pole stick so the Nagas in hills can see our presence and a symbol of brotherhood... Bishnupriya in the other hand speak a language of Meitei/Assamese/Bengali mix and consider themselves Aryan races. So my question to you is.. its scientifically proved manipur valley was submerged under water so how Bishnupriyas were the first settlers of Manipur?? Another question, Manipur is located in the far east which is far away from the Aryan dominated area and is surrounded by many tibeto-burman tribes..how can an Aryan community reside between them?? Bishnupur was named by the meitei king who accepted hinduism and build a vishnu temple and we meiteis pronounce V as B..so it was named Bishnupur. Bishnupriyas were from Sylhet, Bangladesh who were migrating to different place. On way the Meitei king captured the Bishnupriyas and were made to work as labour in Manipur. Bishnupriyas were later given meitei ladies to marry and Bishnupriyas adopted meitei culture.

    • @tato_g_boro_guy
      @tato_g_boro_guy Год назад

      @@bikrammayanglambam1776 My guess is that bishnu priya manipuris are mix of tribals and Indo aryans just present day mainstream Assamese are mix of ahoms and indo aryans.

    • @bikrammayanglambam1776
      @bikrammayanglambam1776 Год назад +2

      @@tato_g_boro_guy yes Bishnupriyas are Aryans from the west. They were migrating and on their way the meiteis encountered them and the kingsmen brought them in Manipur as labourers. Later they were allowed to marry Meitei girls, from there on some mongoliod blood entered into them. But they never agree with the historical fact, they always come up with their own history without any historical evidence. They would claim themselves to be the original one and meiteis as duplicate. When we see deeply, Bishnupriyas uses alot of meitei words in their language and they even started to keep meitei surnames like thangjam, leishangthem etc. Even Bishnupriyas don't know what it means since its in meitei but uses them. If they accept they migrated and accepted our tradition we won't even mind to accept them as brothers. But they want to be the owner of our culture which is the reason why we hate them.

  • @marin4311
    @marin4311 Год назад +2

    People migrated increasingly toward South along the the millenia.

    • @king_halcyon
      @king_halcyon Год назад

      You gotta get those precious rice fields because your millet fields are BETTER but your climate is WORSER.

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Год назад

      ​@@king_halcyonmakes sense

  • @alexanderzarikov9916
    @alexanderzarikov9916 2 года назад +6

    Good Job!
    My ideas:
    History of:
    ▶️Tai-Kadai languages
    ▶️Koreanic languages
    ▶️Japonic languages

  • @alexangelo1998
    @alexangelo1998 2 года назад +2

    Oh, I waited that Dragon Historian would make this video. But he stopped to do videos about languages

    • @xirdaish9082
      @xirdaish9082 2 года назад

      Same

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад +3

      He doesn't stop. Just bcz he hasn't finished this video yet. He told me that the video will be likely released around next week or early June

    • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
      @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns 2 года назад +5

      Yes, Dragon Historian is still making language map timeline videos. He just takes his time with them, which is what we want, so he can get them right. I think he might be extra cautious after his Austroasiatic languages video was criticised by a pre-eminent scholar of Austroasiatic paleolinguistics. It would've been a very difficult video to construct, so he may be even more cautious and take more time with his research to get it right. This is good as both him and Costas seem to have a lot of integrity and pride in their work.

    • @GL-iv4rw
      @GL-iv4rw 2 года назад

      @@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns I mean it took one comment, giving the benefit of the doubt the scholar's not a fraud/fake, to completely change his tune. The Austroasiatic video probably echoed the mainstream view

  • @lingoteen
    @lingoteen 2 года назад +3

    Απλά. Μου κάνει μεγάλη εντίποση οτί ένας Έλληνας σαν κι εμένα ασχολείται με γλώσσες. Μου αρέσει γενικός η γλωσσολογία και η γεωγραφία και μου αρέσει που ηπάρχουν κανάλια που το δείχνουν αυτό. Το πιο σπουδαίο είναι οτί δεν έχω βρεί κανέναν έλληνα, πέρα από εμένα και μια φίλη της μάνας μου που είναι φιλόλογος και δουλέυει σε γραφείο για εκγικλοπαίδιες, που να το κάνει αυτό.
    Φίλε μου... respect απλά!

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад

      Σ' ευχαριστώ πολύ!

  • @solo3785
    @solo3785 2 года назад

    Who were Pre proto Sino Tinetan people?

  • @chow6004
    @chow6004 2 года назад +2

    Nice

  • @xÁstrachèx
    @xÁstrachèx 2 года назад +3

    Pls algonkin languages!

  • @SengkalMarak-kf7qo
    @SengkalMarak-kf7qo 7 дней назад

    I'm proud to be Garo language will never get extinct

  • @Fummy007
    @Fummy007 2 года назад

    Why did the Burmese spread down into Burma?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +3

      Do you ask about their origin or the stages of expansion?

  • @tommyma941
    @tommyma941 Год назад +1

    原始藏缅语可能来自中国甘肃省境内的“马家窑文化”,它被认为是“仰韶文化”的西北分支,仰韶文化的其它分支后来成为了汉族的祖先,原始汉语可能后来接触了苗瑶语系和南岛语系的祖语,所以汉语显得不一样。

    • @RiceBowl14
      @RiceBowl14 8 месяцев назад

      Yes you are right😂

  • @សុខចន្ទរត្តន
    @សុខចន្ទរត្តន 2 года назад +1

    This why i wonder ancient time burma land belong to khasi people who is mon-khmer but present day why belong to burmese.. Now i knew it.

    • @cambodianpleasuresquad1753
      @cambodianpleasuresquad1753 2 года назад +1

      not only burma but yunan used to be austro asiatic land too

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 Год назад +2

      @@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 Burma and Yunnan are not Indian Plates

  • @irene6607
    @irene6607 2 года назад +1

    Ah, my people. :’)

  • @stephmod7434
    @stephmod7434 2 года назад +1

    Confusing. Καλό βίντεο btw.

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 2 года назад +6

    Awesome job! Next one, History of Tai-Kadai languages plz! I wanna see the version which contains Baiyue (includes Yue state) languages, a completely different hypothesis from other videos about TK languages👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +2

      Thank you. Kra Dai is in the future plans. Baiyue is most probably Kra-Dai, so I haven't included it in the video of the Austroasiatic.

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад

      @@CostasMelas Thank you for your reply! I'm looking forward to your new videos!✌

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад

      Baiyue is many groups. it's most likely synonymous to the austric family hypothesis which includes austroasiatic, kra-tai, austronesian, hmong-mien, and possibly japonic

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx I agree, but the majority could be Tai Kadai. Baiyue was active from the 10th to 1st cen BC, while Japonic speakers (if the hypothesis of Austric is true) and Austronesians had left the East Asian continent. Austroasiatics were located in southwestern China where was called Baipu(百濮)by ancient Chinese. The main body of HmongMien was probably in the middle reaches of the Yangtze River, and they may be called Jingman(荊蠻), so Tai Kadai peoples should be located in the southeast of China. Additionally, the southeastern coastal area of China is exactly the main field of Baiyue tribes.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад +2

      @@yujiang6004 the tai-kra groups are probably the most recent ones to leave the area since they were like at the center of that area around the area of pearl river delta. the southwest is where the austroasiatics were at, the hmong-mien were a little bit to the north of there, then the southeast was where the austronesians were at before sailing over to island of taiwan and beyond, then japonic might be around north of the area austronesians were, before they further went north to shandong peninsula then sailed over to liaodong peninsula then to korean peninsula then sailed over to japan

  • @飛流直上三千尺哪個宅
    @飛流直上三千尺哪個宅 2 года назад +1

    Can you do Hmong-mien & Yeniseian?

  • @杭徐
    @杭徐 8 месяцев назад

    In recent years,more and more Chinese scholars prefer to make bai languages and Chinese languages together, forming Chinese-Bai language group,because Bai-languages are much closer to Chinese compared with other languages in this family, and Bai languages have absorbed countless of Chinese words untill now. Therefore Bai languages are very unique in Sino-Tibetan Family. But why do you think Bai languages should be an independent branch in this language family?

  • @tamsalingnetworknepal2705
    @tamsalingnetworknepal2705 Год назад

    Wow tamangic oldest in the himalayas 😍😍 we have genes of yellow river both from north east asian via myanmar and tibetic from north 😍😍 but no aryan genese . Wow authentic

  • @shirtsguitar
    @shirtsguitar 2 года назад +1

    👏

  • @pas1994ok
    @pas1994ok 2 года назад +10

    Good video, this language family it's now in danger of extinction because their distant relatives (Sinitics) don't like minority languages and specially if they aren't Sinitic

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +1

      Thank you

    • @JcDizon
      @JcDizon 2 года назад +9

      Maybe Tibetan could be in danger but Burmese seems to be growing and thriving.

    • @sirlancelet9167
      @sirlancelet9167 2 года назад +4

      It will not go extinct. there are plenty of sino tibetan languages outside of china.

    • @常旭-c1s
      @常旭-c1s 2 года назад +1

      我们自己的方言也会慢慢消失(我的孩子只会普通话 不会晋语)

    • @Kxoy
      @Kxoy 2 года назад

      @@JcDizon yeah but with that oppressing minority languages like Chin and kachin and karen etc

  • @tonyxx4514
    @tonyxx4514 2 года назад +1

    yesss finally

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 2 года назад +2

    I find that you classifies Arunachal languages as a branch of macro ST family, but I tend to another hypothesis that Arunachal branch is language isolate just like Ainuic or Basque. The SinoTibetan characteristics in Arunachal languages are probably due to long-term contact rather than a common origin. For example, most of the numbers in Kam-Tai languages are similar to Sinitic. These languages was classified as ST traditionally though, Tai-Kadai is not considered as a branch of ST family today since linguists attributed the phenomenon to language contact.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +1

      It is very likely that Arunachal is an isolated family. There are few studies and publications on the subject so far. There are arguments for both Sino-Tibetan and isolate family.

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад

      @@CostasMelas Yes

    • @Quirkyfactoids123
      @Quirkyfactoids123 2 года назад +2

      @@yujiang6004 I am a native Arunachali. In China we are classified as ethnic minority 珞巴. But here in Arunachal we refer to ourselves “Tani “ which is further divided into sub-tribes each with their own dialects. Tani language is definitely Sino/Tibetan family but it has been influenced of other unknown language groups of people who’ve been assimilated by the Sino/Tibetan Tani people. Koro and Milang are two such languages of unknown origin, the people speaking Koro and Milang are very few now and have been assimilated with the Tani group. In other words Sino Tibetan Tani people after migrating from China to Arunachal assimilated the non sino-Tibetan speaking Koro and Milang people and absorbed some their vocabulary as well as culture which is why Tani language might sound like an isolate language, that being said there are lot cognates in Tani language with the Tibeto/Burman and sinitic language like Mandarin Chinese. The cognates are not a result of long term contact with Sino/Tibetan speaking people because Arunachal was an isolated place up to until late 1960s, the tribes here lived in relative isolation from each other and only had nominal trade relations with the Tibetans to the north and Dai- ahoms to the south in Assam. So the distinctiveness of Tani language is not due to long term contact with other Sino Tibetan speakers but due the relative long centuries of isolation and assimilation of other non Sino Tibetan groups such as Koro and Milang
      While Tani Language family happens to be the largest in Arunachal there are other Tibeto Burman languages in Arunachal such too such as Monpa which belong to the Bodic group under Tibeto/Burman; The Singpho/jingpho and Lisu which belong to Sal group under Tibeto Burman; The Tangsa, Nocte and Wancho which belong to Konyak group under Tibeto Burman. Besides that there are also Dai speaking group such as the Dai-Khampti people.
      Living aside the Monpa who are from Bhutan all of the Tibeto/Burman minority groups in Arunachal have migrated to their present location from the northeast direction through Sichuan and Yunnan following the route of the Tsangpo river or its tributaries. My DNA results show I am 84 % percent northern Han Chinese. I think proto-Han Chinese would be the right term because Tani people have a high percentage( 94%) of the Y DNA haplogroup O-M122 which is said to be the founding paternal haplogroup of Han Chinese and other sintic people. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M122

  • @kutaykalender2321
    @kutaykalender2321 2 года назад +2

    i was surprised by the location(proto sino tibetan-south mongolia) and the year(3000 bc). my guess is location more southeast and year 5000-10000 bc.

    • @kellyma2992
      @kellyma2992 Год назад

      the new theory is that Sino-Tibetan originally in north china , there used to be many more branches in north China, but as all those tribes (probably even include some Austronesian /Tai-kadai tribes) was united by one political power, then all those merged into one language, ancient Sino.

  • @greekmapping298
    @greekmapping298 2 года назад +1

    ΘΕΛΟΥΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΣΑΡΑΚΑΤΣΑΝΕΩΝ!!!!!!

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +1

      Δύσκολο θέμα. Θα ήθελα να το κάνω

    • @greekmapping298
      @greekmapping298 2 года назад

      @@CostasMelas ΘΑ ΤΟ ΚΑΝΕΙΣ?

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 2 года назад +1

    YAY new linguistics

  • @KyawKyawBolJohnBol
    @KyawKyawBolJohnBol Год назад

    I am Burmese😊

  • @hnaku8748
    @hnaku8748 2 года назад +1

    Source?

  • @Christian_Sannino
    @Christian_Sannino 10 месяцев назад

    Burmese changed their location

  • @Skikdii
    @Skikdii 2 года назад +1

    @Costas Melas you spread fake information you did many mistakes in some of your videos I comment but you don't answer

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  2 года назад +2

      Could you point out some mistakes. Feedback is helpful to improve.

    • @Skikdii
      @Skikdii 2 года назад

      @@CostasMelas For exemple in the video of writing systems you made you missed many many alphabets especially in Arabia and your colorization is always innacurate

  • @origzin313
    @origzin313 Год назад +1

    I don't belive this fake, how could chinese and tibetan are from one language

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 Год назад

      😓😓😓

    • @lenguyenxuonghoa
      @lenguyenxuonghoa Год назад +3

      If you compare some basic vocabularies among Tibetan, Burmese and Chinese, you will find somewhat similar between them.

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 Год назад

      Oh please, Sino-Tibetan are accepted by practically all linguists except the one you're following probably.

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Год назад

      They used to be one language thousands of years ago, and the Chinese and tibetan languages share some common features

  • @daimyo672
    @daimyo672 2 года назад +1

    kurdish greek brother 💛❤️💚✌️🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

  • @mlvluu9836
    @mlvluu9836 Месяц назад

    Orlandi (2021) - Once again on the history and validity of the Sino-Tibetan bifurcate model

  • @Warlock-enjoyer
    @Warlock-enjoyer 2 года назад +1

    So Tibetan and Burmese are relate??

  • @ioruler9896
    @ioruler9896 2 года назад +4

    tibetoburman language is in danger

  • @sirius35161
    @sirius35161 2 года назад +2

    i want chinese languages

  • @Yona_1111
    @Yona_1111 2 года назад

    Давай про КОЙСАААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААНОВ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @tonyxx4514
    @tonyxx4514 2 года назад

    wait chinese?

  • @吴彩龙
    @吴彩龙 Год назад +3

    Love from china😂

  • @zachchen9564
    @zachchen9564 2 года назад +3

    Making a video of Sino-Tibetan langauge is very difficult job because
    1. We still don’t exactly know where did the Sino Tibetan come from.
    2. We still don’t know when and where that Proto Sinitic and Proto Tibeto Burmese separate
    3. Even though Sino-Tibetan is widely accepted but there are some linguists don’t agree with the concept of Sino Tibetan they believe Chinese and Tibeto Burmese are not related. Btw, there is a unpopular and non mainstream theory is Chinese is a creole language

    • @JHenry906
      @JHenry906 2 года назад

      1

    • @知-k3q
      @知-k3q 2 года назад

      The earliest unearthed bones of Han Tibetans can be found in the middle and upper reaches of the Yellow River from the eastern Qinghai-Tibet Plateau to the southern Loess Plateau ~

  • @dhtfsw2237
    @dhtfsw2237 2 года назад +1

    Just bantu languages, please

    • @loodi3138
      @loodi3138 Год назад +1

      He already done that

  • @iberianslivestreams9597
    @iberianslivestreams9597 2 года назад +5

    Tibetan originated in China, ironic

    • @matteopangia2232
      @matteopangia2232 2 года назад +13

      bro, there was no china in 3000 bc

    • @iberianslivestreams9597
      @iberianslivestreams9597 2 года назад +5

      @@matteopangia2232 I mean the geographical region

    • @mycarima3497
      @mycarima3497 2 года назад +11

      lots of family languages originated in china

    • @GL-iv4rw
      @GL-iv4rw 2 года назад +1

      China is a cradle of agriculture, being the origin of most East Asian and South East Asian ethnicities

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад +9

      families like sino-tibetan, austroasiatic, kra-tai, austronesian, hmong-mien, japonic, etc all likely came from the region where china is now. its likely why china been a battleground for millennia

  • @Boots_n_cats
    @Boots_n_cats 10 месяцев назад

    某些帝国主义者觉得英国占领过西藏西藏就不是中国的也是挺好笑的。

  • @Eterealgames
    @Eterealgames 2 года назад +1

    Bruh

  • @kedevy
    @kedevy 2 года назад

    Burm

  • @bustavonnutz
    @bustavonnutz 2 года назад +2

    All this diversity despite being a subbranch of a larger family; quite impressive actually.