This representation is heavily biased to modern countries. Example Hungary, Eastern and South Austria were slavic speaking places before the year 1000.
@@alakazor9643 nope, vlach means strange/stranger/foreigner in old slavon or slavic, they gave them this name because they didn't speak a slavic language and they couldn't understand them, they already lived in modern day romania, but not around the sea
This is because the Old Church Slavonic functioned for the Romanian church as well as for the state chancelleries as an official language for many hundreds of years. It had the same status that Latin had for the Catholic Church. As the monasteries held the cultural monopoly of the Romanian space, OldChurchSlavonic continued to Slavicize the Romanian language also because the Orthodox Church saw Latin as an exponent of the Catholic Church (the enemy). Proper names, toponyms, river names, have been translated into Slavonic, remaining to this day in the official toponymy. The Cyrillic alphabet was used to write in Romanian until the middle of the 19th century, etc
All in all really good video, jut several Slavic languages have longer history of their grammar than the video suggests (Bulgarian, Slovene, Slovak, to name a few) and the fluctuations of geographical extent of some of them have been slightly bigger than shown here.
@@881terror that's not exactly right either, it's like saying that "only" these slavic people were called slavs, which in fact were all the other ones too... since slovieni literally means "slav"... People oftentimes forget that humans back then didn't differenciate between each other that much when it came to nationality and so they went "ah yes, I'm slav" (funnily enough it also means that great moravia's true name is "kingdom of the slavs" and it's ruler was "king of slavs")
@@Rhosus They were calling themselves Slavs probably because there was not something like a sense of nationality back then and all Slavic people used to call themselves similarly. They would probably call other Slavs, well, "Slavs", so "People of the word (those who can speak [our language])" and non-Slavs "Mutes" / "Nemci" (people who cannot speak [our language])
@@Ponanoixhow do you expalin north and south Sorbs in Lužica in germany and south Sorbs in Polan in relation to Serbs from Balkan. It is known that Lutschich Serbs had their "kneževina: in 600-700 a.c. They still live in that land which is not taken into acount on this map. It would be great if the video could be corected and posted again so that there would be no more missunderstandings left.
This video starts from when slavic split off from baltic. I think its reasonable since he doesnt start the video about germanic langauges from PIE either.
Old Novgorod dialect that was spoken in North Russia until 16th century is missing. It was very different from Old Russian, could be classified as its own branch(North Slavic)
It was not very different. It had some minor, but unique features, but basically, it was completely mutually understandable with other East Slavic dialects.
@@r.t.5767 Sorbs are from Serbs that went to help Samo's empire and great Moravia against the Vatican and Teutonic genocide later. We are relatives. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Juri%C5%A1i%C4%87_%C5%A0turm
I don't know if the spead of Eastern Slavic/Russian was that fast into Karelia/North. But I might be wrong. There is little knoledge/information about that. But there's atleat one mistake that I am sure. There was atleast no Russian speaking population in the Finnish Karelia(1917-1940/1944). After the WW2 Karelia was repopulared with mostly Russian speakers due to every Karelian and Finnish people leaving the "Old (Finnish) Karelia". I'm not sure about the situation during (1812-1917), but even then there must have very 'few' Russian speakers. There was maybe no Russia speakers in the northern "Finnish Karelia" due to that been part of Sweden (1658-1721). But its hard to say.
Where is Yaik cossaks? which conquere in the 16th century Nogay Horde en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Cossacks and, at least to the 20 century they was majority of Ural river population
Somebody needs to make a meme with Cyrill and Methodius saying "Slav, my son, you're a Christian now. Now it's time for you to choose between an alphabet we specially made for your language to fit it's phonetics, or you can choose an alphabet originally invented to write Etruscan and use shitloads of diacritics and digraphs. Catholic Slavs: Szczieczjaščžju
@@chuckbrotton2449 The nowadays territory of Romania was inhabited by Slavic speakers since the very beginning. Just a natural melting pot culturally and genetically. Another aspect is that during the Romanian renascence in the 19-th century some thousand words of Slavic (not to say Bulgarian) origin were mechanically swapped with French, Italian or Latin ones, but that is also a normal process. Yet there are maybe not less than 10% of Slavic words in use and countless toponyms. Also the Romanian is part of the Balkan Linguistic Community with Albanian, Bulgarian and Greek. It was not a matter of bureaucracy like the Latin in the West.
@@DEIYIAN The whole of Europe was a melting pot, the area of Romania today is no different. And there was no "mechanical" removal of words. You can take a text before and after and you'll see no major differences. What actually happened is that during the "Romanian Rennaisance" alot of loanwords were introduced from the French language just like today we have alot of loanwords for IT/computer stuff from English. "The nowadays territory of Romania was inhabited by Slavic speakers since the very beginning" - Yeah, right! The Dacians/Getae/Tharcians/Carpians, even the Celts were in present-day territory of Romania earlier than the Slavs. What is the "beginning" for you lol?
Very good map, its just biased towards modern borders and demographics. For example parts of Austria and the panonian basin were slavic speaking before the year 1000 and northern albania was predominantly slavic before the ottoman conquest, judging by ottoman tax reports. And kosovo was majority slavic until pretty recently.
@@skend3489 What does "since hundreds of years ago" mean to you. Albanians started settling there in larger numbers in the 18th century after the area was left depopulated from Ottoman reprisals. The settlers were were largely catholic but were forced to adopt islam soon after. After that point the Albanian population slowly rose up while the Serb population was dwindling due to atrocities commited by the Turks before the balkan wars, Bulgarians during WW1, Italians during WW2 encouraging Albanian irredentism, a standard divide and conquer strategy. After the world wars, Tito has plans for Albania to join Yugoslavia and the key was gifting kosovo to it so he made no effort to bring back the displaced families from the second world war. After that the Yugoslav wars marked the latest exodus of serbs from both Kosovo and other parts of former Yugoslavia. I hope this answers your question
@@viktormilosevic8172 Even if it is True why should it matter now? You cant just Kick them out of their homes they didnt ask to be Born There, they didnt do anything to you but live in a land. And Kosovo had always had an Albanien Pop.
@@viktormilosevic8172 Do you see where im going at? Todays Albanians in Kosova didnt emigrate they were just Born there they know nothing else. We dont have to argue over autochtony because what mattere is that we are all humans and humans wander and borders were always shifting in history. The Balkans is a Special case because of all the big Empires that were ruling over it for thousands of years.
Very impressive and difficult task to complete! my only nitpick is that it was a bit early to see Polish dissapear in some of Silesia, in the areas north of the oder Polish was still generlaly the majority language until after the thirty years war, and as well as Opole
Yeah, for example Wrocław was still a majority speaking, border-line polish city in 1650, only later did the german-polish line crossed it. But generally speaking, the germanisation of Silesia was pretty slow during Austrian times, only after Prussia, later Germany, seized the territory In 1742, the process became more rapid
that video is wrong. Polish was spoken as a minority language throughout the whole of Ukraine (with exception of Crimea) and Belarus until extermination of Poles by Soviets in 1937-38. There were majority Polish areas near Minsk and Kiyv until that time. Lvov (Lviv) in Western Ukraine was majority Polish until Soviets expelled Poles in 1945-46. According to the Tsarist census of 1897 6% of Smolensk (Russia) population were Poles.
Whats with the two china replies. Is that the only thing that has that shape? Its not even relevant to the video. The shape looks similar to Polish-Lithuania or just Poland in WW2. Not the china china
Slovenian is actually closer to czech and slovak language than other south slavic but because of location on the map and our history under yougoslavia they count us as sout slavic language and slovenians inhabit all of Kärnten and styria in austria. And slovenian fist book is from 10th century and first dictionary was written in 15th century which meand that slovenian existed way beafore than what is showed in this video It is miracle that slovenian language still exist at first slovenians or carantanians were part of samo's kingdom and after that we had our country called carantania we fought wars with avars, franks and bavarians. Eventualy we surrender in year 828 and than we beacame duchy of frankish kingdom until year 900 after that franks give carantania under the bavarians and so slovenian language was forbiden until the end of austro-hungary empire in 1918
Same thing with East Slavic languages. Belarusian and Ukrainian are more similar to Slovak/Sorbian/Czech then to Russian, because they evolved from the common language unlike Russian (from the Old Church Slavonic). But because of the location they all considered to be in one group
@@kssrnotsoviet your expertise in languages and eternities is beyond poor. But it isn't strange if one take your nickname under consideration. All soviets are hard core delusionists
They have all in common that they were greatly influenced by germanic language. I speak Slovenian and Serbian. You can kind of tell how old is the language by how it sounds because it coresponds with duration of the opression from other non slavs. I am learning Macedonian and have many Macedonian friends, i can tell you thet there are a lot more "Slovenian" words in Macedonian language than in Serbian, even tho Macedonia is considerd to be the Old Serbia because early Serbian history happened predomenantly on that land. That coresponds with them being concured by Turks tham other parts of Serbia so it renaind more unchanged to this day because it was repressed. Slovenian was also repressed pretty early and for a long time, that is why they sound more similar even tho they are so far apart, plus foreign words they adopted. Next to be concord by otomans were Serbs and then after Serbs croats by austrhungary. You can kind of see the evolution of south slavic language from old south slavic (wersion of Slovenian and Macedonian) to Serbian (ekavica) and then to croatian dialect jekavica which is also spoken in Montenegro which was never concord by anyone (but they identify as Serbs and say they speak Serbian). I should also mention I actually originate from Montenegro from Njeguši (some people may be confused when I say I'm Serbian). The longer the sluth slavs stayed independant the more alive was the language and the faster it changed/evolved. I believe it would be possible to apply that teory to other slavic languages, it doesent necessarly mean they were opressed it cud also mean that they were just under stronger foreign influence. For example Russian kind of sounds like jekavica to me (just that they don't call it that, you know the use of the soft and hard letter). Cech, Slovach, Polish and Lužičko Serbian sound more similar to my ear, more "rough" like german. Love to all Slavic brothers and sisters, protect and cherish our language, tradition and faith. Glory to God in heaven, peace to earth and good will among us.
If anyone is wondering why the region of Ruthenia (modern day Belarus and Ukraine) is also striped with West Slavic Polish Language in the mid 1500's, it is because of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth union from 1550 to roughly 1780, during which POLISH was the lingua franca of the commonwealth, and all aristocrats in Belarus and Ukraine spoke Polish (because the territiories of Ruthenia were all part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth union). Only the working-class in Belarus and Ukraine spoke Ruthenian (Ruthenian= ancestor of modern day Belarussian and Ukrainian language) at that time. That's why Belarussian and Ukrainian (despite being EAST SLAVIC in origin), have HUGE West Slavic Polish language influences too, because of the Polish loanwords during the commonwealth era which seeped into Ruthenian language at the time. that's why Belarussian and Ukrainian is much easier to understand for a Pole than Russian for example. (Russian has much less Polish vocabulary language influences than either Ukrainian or Belarussian).
People will say its the same language but that name implies serbian dominance and thats why croats dont like it. Even thoe I can understand more of serbian than most of the island dialects of croatia. Its sad that we are not united but the time for that was 1200 years ago, we cannot be the same even thoe we are brothers.
Beautiful history! Well done. But one thing I don't understand. Why Czech and Slovak separated in your map so late? As far as I know (and I am Czech), written Czech was first documented at the begining of 13th century and at the turn of 14th and 15th century, it gradually established as chancery language in Kingdom of Bohemia, Margriavite of Moravia nad Upper Silesian duchies. Approximately at the turn of 15th and 16th century, Czech also established as written language in Upper Hungary (i. e. what is today Slovakia), but in specific, definitely slovakized form, which means, that common spoken language in what is today Slovakia was in that time markedly different from spoken language in Bohemia and Moravia. It does mean, that also Slovak was at that time established as separate language. Not yet written, but definitely spoken. At the turn of 18th and 19th century, Czech literary language underwent extensive modernization (so called Czech national revival, which was basically reaction to preceding prolonged decline of the language), whilst Slovaks developed roughly at the same time genuine Slovak literary language (instead of slovakized Czech). But it definitelly doesn't mean that before 19th century were no separate Czech and Slovak languages. Please, don't take it as criticism. Your histories are awsome and I greatly admire you. It was just my minor factual note.
I agree. Maybe I'm not an expert in Slovak history, but it's obvious that Slovak is significantly closer to Ukrainian and Serbo-Croatian languages and is quite understandable to speakers of them. From genetic point of view Slovaks are not so hard R1a-M458-dominated as Czechs, which makes them somewhat closer to R1a-Z280-CTS-dominated South-West and East Slavs. And simultaneously unlike Czechs and Poles they have quite much (16%) I2a, which is close to Slovene (22%) and Ukrainian (20.5%) levels, despite it's still much less than Serbo-Croates have (31-54%), however last exaggerated value may be explained via Founder effect work. So in total it's likely that Slovak from beginning was a mix of West Slavic (Czech) and Carpathian (Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovene) dialects.
@@rdtgr8 I think that I know the reason why you see slovak language as some kind of mix of western and carpathian slavic language. In my humble opinion it's because in 7-9th century in todays west and middle Slovakia was slavic tribe of Nitravians (ancestors of Slovaks) and on the east there were White Croats. One part of them later moved on Balkan and second stayed and most likely were assimilated. So mix of western Nitravians and eastern White Croats could caused that nowadays slovak language can be understandable to many other Slavic nations.
I'm guessing the "inaccuracies" are based on different quantity and quality of surviving historical records - things may suddenly appear different before and after gaps in the data instead of blurring through transition. Language drift and genetic drift are both constant yet gradual ... until contact with an outside population quickly imposes dramatic changes.
Slovene diverged from Serbo-Croatian only a century and a half ago? I find that hard to believe, they're quite different. Some of your info must be off.
Slovenian is actually closer to czech and slovak language than other south slavic but because of location on the map and our history under yougoslavia they count us as sout slavic language And slovenian fist book is from 10th century and first dictionary was written in 15th century It is miracle that slovenian language still exist at first slovenians or carantanians were part of samo's kingdom and after that we had our country called carantania we fought wars with avars, franks and bavarians. Eventualy we surrender in year 828 and than we beacame duchy of frankish kingdom until year 900 after that franks give carantania under the bavarians and so slovenian language was forbiden until the end of austro-hungary empire in 1918
@@masterofnordinbad8914 maybe its like the case of English? It has more Romance vocabulary but its a Germanic language. Anyway, the video is a bit wrong, because in Austria and Hungary Slavs lived for a long time. Perhaps Slovenian is the link between the West Slavic languages and the South Slavic languages, and that is why it resembles both.
There is no certainty among historians about the extent of the Slavic languages before 400 CE. Pannonia before the invasion of the Magyars was also Slavic-speaking, although the Avars ruled there.
@@dragonitzgame you dont think there were people before? You think they were happy their land got taken? Bruv dont be so naive. Its been a while. No reason to lie about that history
Slavs never reached Denmark at all and there's no evidence to proof it, the name kramnitise (Kramnitize) may not actually be of wendish origin but if its of slavic origin then it's proberly named because of Germans who were occupying and influencing some of Denmark with village names since Germany has lots of slavic names who then adapted it as their own. Slavs only reached to schielwig near anglia which is northern Germany (close to border of Denmark)
@@jemalo36The slavs only traded with the Vikings during those ages but they NEVER ever settled in coastal areas of Denmark and Norway since they were ongoing conflicts between them and they never wanted wars between each other so they did only trade. Those are fully homogenous Germanic nations.
@@jemalo36Trade doesn’t also always mean intermingling with each other but by that logic it means eastern Slavs have Turkic and Mongolian ancestry because they raided them and did mass trade.
@@michaelcalle2981 Ukrainians and Southern Slavs sure have turkish influence, they are darker than other slavs. And tatars sure had common progeny with eastern slavs, because there are populations of tatars who have blue eyes, blonde hair and european eye shape, especially in Kazan city
Parabéns , um excelente trabalho , principalmente na tentativa de sincronização, sou brasileiro de origem eslava (polonesa), lendo os comentários você pode perceber que não consegue agradar a "gregos e troianos" , fique tranquilo foi um ótimo trabalho (nesse exercício temos que levar em conta o nacionalismo e o antagonismo étnico, muita besteira se produz para defender as ideias megalomaníacas ), do ponto de vista cientifico os linguistas e geneticistas estão contribuindo para preencher as lacunas dos arqueólogos, antropólogos e historiadores !
@@MarcosVinicius-dh6fk Are you joking? in reality it is the Republic of the Serenissima that prevented the Ottomans from invading part of Montenegro, part of Croatia and part of Slovenia. keep in mind that the Venetians had already colonized some Turkish and Greek territories, up to Malta. Just to be clearer .... 😉
Dont forget to give the video and author a thumbs up.. Its so deserved. This is so cool, and just so fast put things into perspective, this is honey for my brain.
The video is grossly inaccurate, Slavic speakers of the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries should've been the vast majority in all of Southeastern Europe and mainland Greece, barring some isolated footholds of Latinitate and Koine Greek, like Monemvasia, Adrianople, Thessaloniki, and some cities on the Eastern Adriatic coast.
"Let foreigners, out of ignorance or negligence, take little care of them, but it is unforgivable for us to forget the Bulgarians from whose hands we received baptism, who have taught us to write, to read, in whose vernacular is our worship, in whose language for the most part we wrote almost to the time of Lomonosov, whose cradle is connected by inseparable knots with the cradle of the Russian people and so on. " Yuri Venelin on Bulgarian history in 1829 --- In his article Protection of the Old Bulgarian Language (1990) Prof. Dr. Otto Kronsteiner from Austria writes: “The Old Bulgarian language has become the cultural language of all Orthodox Slavs. It was the first state literary language in Medieval Europe long before the emergence of European literary languages - German, French, Italian, English, Russian "and Serbian inclusive, of course! --- "When Greek Christianity was officially accepted in Russia at the end of the 10th century, its distributors in Russia were mainly Bulgarian clergy. In this way, the Bulgarian language became the basis of the Russian Church and Russian literary language. " M. Fassmer, quoted by M. Popov, The Bulgarian People between the European Races and Peoples, Sofia, Court Printing House, 1938; “The influence of the Bulgarian language was felt extremely strongly by the Russians and Serbs until the 18th century, this influence weakened only in the 19th century, when vernacular elements entered the literature of these two peoples and replaced the influence of the old church influences. These influences were especially strong because the Russian Church Slavonic language also shows too much Bulgarian, and partly directly Eastern Bulgarian elements. М. Фасмер, Die Bulgarische Literatur im Zeitalter des Zaren Simeon und ihre Bedeutung für die Orhodoxe Slawenwelt, Berlin, 1929 --- "The orthography of our (ie Russian, b.a.) manuscripts from the middle of the XV century is a reflection of the orthography of the South Slavic (more precisely of the Middle Bulgarian) manuscripts. It is clear that between the middle of the XIV and the middle of the XV century, the Russian script came under the very strong influence of the South Slavic script and ultimately submitted to this influence. " Alexey Sobolevsky --- "Bulgaria in the 15th century as a whole is this huge center through which the Byzantine influence in Serbia and Russia passes, a center through which this influence gets its Slavic color, strengthened in the numerous translations, which reflect the written reform of Patriarch Euthymius." Dmitry Likhachev
@@crimsonfarts6856 Since both came to you from the Romans same could be said about you . No point taking pride from something you didnt create and someone also uses
@@juniorcrusher2245 so you take issue with Pomeranian being depicted in the video or with me noting this is Kashubian? Also, what makes you feel you need to let the world know about your opinions? Are you a linguist or a Kashubian?
Slavic Macedonian came into existence only in 1944. It is Bulgarian language as a base written on a Serbian typewriter with selective replacement of words, letters, imported elements just to make it sound distinct from Bulgarian.
@@881terror Do not mistake the ancient Macedonian language (which was a close relative of ancient Greek and dissapeared slowly together with hellenisation of original Macedonians) with the modern, Slavic Macedonian language. They have absolutely nothing in common beside the name, even the teritorries they were spoken are mainly different. -_-
@Русский парень No, he has something against expansion. So do you. I bet you wouldn't like some other nation expand over your land, force you speak another language etc.
интересно, но был упущен один момент в истории восточно-славянской ветви. речь о древненовгородском и древнепсковском диалектах. они существовали примерно до века 15го и впоследствии оказали влияние того, каким впоследствии стал русский язык. впрочем, в видео это и показывается, как russian, соседствующий с ruthenian, в нашей науке известном как западнорусский. такие-то нюансы, думаю в истории всех славянских языков что-то такое найдётся
The Slavs were probably less than 0.1 million or 100k around 300 AD, confined to a small and remote corner of Europe, then they rapidly took all of eastern Europe, later also taking the Ukrainian and Siberian Steppes, now they number something like 300 million. One of the biggest demographic turnarounds that happened within recorded history
Well if we go with your logic TURKIC we're probably less than 0.1 million are 50k around 120 bc. Confined to a small landlocked and remote corner of the Altai mountains, later also taking CENTRAL ASIA CARCASSES ANATOLIA all the way to THRACE now there number something like 270 million and the population is still growing especially among MUSLIM TURKIC PEOPLE unlike the European how popular is decreased 😂
I only came upon your channel recently and already made a similar comment on the languages of Europe video, but I think you are underestimating the Slavicness of Austria in the early middle ages. In the 5-600s, Slavs became a majority in roughly 2/3 of the area - to this day, there are clear examples of Slavic derived placenames dotted over all of Carinthia, Styria, Lower Austria as well as East Tyrol (Lienz District), Southeast Salzburg state (Tamsweg District), and Southeast Upper Austria (Kirchdorf and Steyr districts). It's very difficult to make a good timeline for the germanization of these areas but similar to Eastern Germany it was a process that must have taken centuries. My guess is it probably didn't start for real until the 800s and probably wasn't completed until maybe 1050 for Lower Austria, 1200 for Styria, and is still ongoing in Carinthia.
The history of the Slavs before their baptism began is a mystery, shrouded in darkness, and the history of the emergence of the Slavic language and its division into Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Czech and others is generally unknown.The author you guess on the coffee grounds.
Good job! The pre-1944 eastern border of Finland is incorrect though, and Hungarian was the prevailing language in the south of modern Slovakia until WWII too
Wow, that must've taken a lot of time to compile for sure. Talking about painstaking work. However, the Proto-Slavic area shown in the first minute of the video was in vast majority Baltic or Proto-Baltic. On the other hand a huge chunk of the actual Proto-Slavic area has been left blank where it should've been marked Proto-Slavic: that area was approximately the Odra and Wisła basins (+ some middle reaches of the Łaba), naturally restricted by the sea in the north and various mountain ranges in the south. Bordering (Proto-)Baltic in the north-east and east, Thracian in the south-east, Celtic to the south-west and Germanic in the west (also not forgetting the "das drittes Volk" there who were Proto-Balto-Slavic kin of some kind).
That’s quite interesting, there is a neighborhood in Berlin called Köpenick. Im assuming it was a village which was integrated into Berlin, but Berlin had its own name like other comments have said
Yes and Brandenburg was called Branibor. In serbia we still have some village names like kopanica and branibor. We serbs came from that region and there are still lusatian serbs living there. They speak sorbian
- The name Berlin has its roots in the language of West Slavic inhabitants of the area of today's Berlin, and may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- ("swamp"). - Dresden's name etymologically derives from Old Sorbian Drežďany, meaning people of the forest.
seeing the comments of this video kinda weird -Latin language speakers are friendly to each other -German-speaking speakers are friendly to each other -Slavic language speakers seem hostile to each other
@Dragan L This video doesn’t even consider Germanic or Romance speaking people, it doesn’t depict them neither in an hostile or a friendly way, I dunno why you’re so triggered and calling conspiracy on a video about Slavic languages because they didn’t show the spreading of languages that aren’t part of the family.
The split of south-west slavic languages into the ancestors of Slovene and Serbo-Croatian was around year 800 ad. And Austria was populated by Slavic people during this time too, before it was colonized by the Bavarians. It's a neat looking video, but I am willing to bet that it got a lot of other things wrong in the regions with which I am less familiar. Ultimately, it might prove useful to some Americans. But for everyone else, it is just a waste of 5 minutes.
But we have to thank him as he is not Slav. At least he tried to show their scholars opinion. While our Slavic "scientists" (I do not talk about all of them) didn't any analogic video for Americans and Western Europeans...
@@TheOlgaSasha Slavic official scientists (I do not talk about all of them) just copy and paste everything about history from german guy Friedrich Maurer who making german propaganda in 1942. That why our history is lie. Germans never write true about Slavic people and in 1942 = no chance.
The term Serbo-Croatian has only been around 1824 and it was termed by a German dictionarist and folklorist Jacob Grimm, imagine how different it would have sounded 1000 years prior.. probably almost unintelligibly different.. Therefore your recommendation is nonsensical and as a Bosnian pisses me off. not only does the term completely undermine the Bosnian and Montenegrin influence and development of this branch of Slavic, you want to further erase another 800 years of our connection with our language.. BKS or BKMS is a much fairer term to define this branch of the Slavic language..
Yeah, video has plenty of errors. Originally, they Slavs were forming one group since 6. and 7. century with no dialectal differences. Split between West and South Slavs was around 800 AD. Czech and Slovak were originally developing in South Slavic group with Karyntian/Slovenian/Serbo-Croatian. The reason for Czech/Slovak/Serbo-Croatian unity was probably a series of common countries (Samo's country, Great Moravia). Bavarian and Frankish efforts to take over today Austria (Austria east of today Salzburg) and establishment of Margraviate of Austria, as well as arrival of Magyars around year 900 caused separation Czechs/Slovaks with the rest of South Slavs. After separation of South Slavic group by Magyars, Czech/Slovak and Lechitic group created a more uniform group due to interaction.
Very nice map! As others mentioned though, slavic identity was much more developed before 1000AD. T😂here are first scripts in ancient Slovene in latin alphabet around 1100 latest in the region of Carinthia/Carniola , the Freising Manuscripts. Differentiation of southwest slavic occured much earlier than depicted. Ancient Slovene was present after Magyar migration between the early westslavic continuum.
Davyd Rusyn Думаю, що мається на увазі, що церковнослов´янський мав вплив на русинський та український пізніше. Так само, як і польська. Ну, а наразі київський ізвод церковнослов´янскої є офіційною мовою церкви.
@@naelerasmans322 Ukrainian-speaking churches use Ukrainian without OCS (Old Church...) words, while Russian/ and Russian-speaking churches in Ukraine use modern Russian+OCS
Если у тебя хороший словарный запас, то любой славяноязычный человек может прочитать текст на церковнославянском, он будет понятен всем славянам без исключения, это как эсперанто среди славян своего времени.
В России любят белорусский язык и Беларусь, и её народ. Все перемещены, поэтому о чётких границах говорить трудно. Не думаю, что в Смоленске как то по другому поймут белорусский язык, чем в других регионах России.
Most of kazahstan, all of dagestan, chechnya, all of tatarstan are speaking russian. A lot of people in Georgia, Armenia, all of Belarus. Around 70% of ukraine until 2022 spoke russian too. This map is more like about nations, than languages, but for some reason its called 'languages map'
This is about native speakers, not diaspora. Then the map would be completely different. Nobody speaks Russian at home in Dagestan, while for Ukraine it would be around 40% (incl. southern and eastern regions), if these regions aren't included, around 15%. But you can obviously see the that the Russian language is in southern and eastern Ukraine on the map, so where's the problem?
@@2dav7ry>15% in all of ukraine excluding south and east i think that even after 2022 this is barely the case. Before it anything eastern than Zhytomir was 80% russian. >what is the problem Belarus, kazakhstan, tatarstan, are not a 'diaspora', but 100% native speakers. Excl. south kazakhstan. So, they should be painted as full russian along with ukraine up to rovno-zhytomir line until 2022.
@@levershredder Funny, because I live near Vinnytsia, also close to Zhytomyr. 😄 I can't hear any Russian here, only if you go to the city of Vinnytsia, you can hear some Russian, but it's usually mixed with Ukrainian + there are many people from Eastern Ukraine. I also have family in the Cherkasy region, I couldn't hear any Russian there. But obviously, when I was in Kharkiv, everyone spoke Russian there. So southeastern Ukraine definitely speaks Russian, but the rest of Ukraine, not really. I'd say Hungarian or Romanian are more common, but where did you find such data? 🤔
@@vladexsto6356 На юге вроде так говорят, но не все, у нас к сожалению диалекты вытесняются литературным стандартом. Но я знаю, что раньше, когда диалекты были больше развиты, такая форма вроде бы была более распространенной.
@@user-xg9yg8kg7i Только что читал о происхождении этого слова, оказывается оно происходит от немецкого " danke" и родственно английскому "thank". Вот так всё интересно
@@vladexsto6356 Да, я знаю. Оно не происходит от него, оно просто родственно ему, потому что германская группа языков и славянская родственны, обе ветви индоевропейские, если хочешь почетай.
Ruthenian language began the splitting process much more earlier than you shaw. At least in the XVI century Ukrainian and Belarusian languages were separated. The first evidences of literary Ukrainian language were documented in the XVII century. Also Ukrainians had self-determination word as Rusyns up to the XX century. So called "Rusyn language" you marked is nothing more than the Ukrainian dialect. Try again.
@@naelerasmans322 Wikipedia is not proof, and the person who says something is also not proof. The word "Rusyn" refers to all Ukrainians, not just those who live in Transcarpathia. I live in Dnipro (central Ukraine) and I can identify myself with both names.
@@davydko1507 I already understood where are you from, huh. A person who says something is not a proof, and you also aren't. Is international academy of Rusyn culture the proof?
@@naelerasmans322 Rusyn and Ukrainian is synonymous terms. If someone call himself Rusyn he basically mean Ukrainian. What exactly are you cannot understand?
They hadn't. They'd only adopted Slavic language and intermixed with newcomers. The antropogenic type of Northern and central Russians is more than 50% finnic. In my region it' s wery clear. Our finnic population (Komi Permyaks) still persists, and it's wery hard to distinguish Komi and Russians by speech or appearance. In fact, both are intermixture of both)).
@@ristusnotta1653 I knew it. Those bloody Finns were so thirsty for blood that they went to America and started to kill countless Indians. Shame on your ancestors!
Unfortunately, this map is also wrong. There are no traces of Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija before the 17th century. On this map it is shown as if there were no Serbs there at all
Hm, it means that Ukrainian and Russian are not the same, right? Yeah, they were East - Slavic but according to the map Russian appeared earlier and not from Ruthenian as Ukrainian language. Correct me if I'm wrong.
At a time when nations did not yet exist, the proto-Ukrainian and proto-Russian peoples were separated by a natural barrier - a large forest with swamps, so due to poor communication, their languages were created separately.
What language appeared earlier is a silly question. Languages change over time and Russian that appears on this map in 1500s wasn't the same as it is today. All modern East Slavic languages are equally related to East Slavic language. Ukrainian / Russian / Belorussian split has to do with political divisions of Russia, Poland and Lithuania. After the Mongol invasion many Russian principalities in the south and west became part of the Grand duchy of Lithuania (split into Russian and Ruthenian). Galicia (modern western Ukraine) became part of Poland. Later Lithuania entered a personal union with Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was born. Within that commonwealth modern Ukrainian territories of Lithuania were passed to the Kingdom of Poland (split of Ruthenian into Ukrainian and Belorussian). All these changes are very gradual and complicated however and the map doesn't really reflect it. It's very basic / schematic. The people speaking the Ruthenian language would probably just tell you that they are speaking Russian. And people speaking East Slavic would tell you they're speaking Slavic or Russian. All these would be different from modern Russian of course. The names on the map are just historiographic terms.
@@АндрейБогуславский-б9о Да, ты прав, что Рутенией звали Русь, но тут имелось ввиду русинский язык (Ruthenian language). Эх, жаль, что мы не узнаем, на каком языке говорили простые люди в Киевской Руси, ведь писали на церковном, который является искусственным и не был похож на разговорный.
Majority polish people leaved western Ukraine after WWII. Now in western Byelorussia there are places with polish speaking population, but in western Ukraine (eastern Galicia)- no.
Error: 1945-2022 - 150'000 Ukrainian speakers citizens in “Recovered Territories”. The light blue lines shouldn't have been erased in that area. Also, according to the 2001 Ukrainian census, there were only 19 195 persons in Ukraine who called Polish their mother tongue, which is even smaller than the number of people in Poland for whom the Ukrainian language was native at the time. Even the genocidal actions of the Polish government didn't manage to change that.
Some correction to be made about Urals and Western Siberia: Russian speakers became the majority there correspondingly in the beginning of XVl century and in mid-XVII century, much earlier than is shown in your video.
@@rincewindthewizhard2363 Rather frivolous statement. Komi were one of the most quickly "russified" finnic nations, though not assimilated, like finnic tribes of central Russia. They were bilingual for centuries. Where do you take your information from? Have you ever seen Komi traditional costume, or listen to traditional music? Are you Komi yourself, or do you live in this region, like me?
The Bulgar were Turkic warrior tribe. Bulgar was Turkic language which was spoken by the Bulgars. While the language was extinct in Danubian Bulgaria, it persisted in Volga Bulgaria, eventually giving rise to the modern Chuvash language. Qazan Tatars.Volga Bulgars.Tugan yak Native land Tatar song: ruclips.net/video/2VYg1xZl_A4/видео.html
3:42 it is interesting that Liutprad of Cremona writes that in the northern parts of Europe there live a people who in appearance are called Ρουσιος (Rusios / Reds), and in their place of residence they are called normans (northerners), but normans are Scandinavians, not Slavic.
It is not a new fact. Here, in Ukraine, we all learnt even at school that Rus or Ruth were the Normannic people. The Byzantian chronicles of 10-11 centuris call more than 50 names of "folk of Rus" from Kiev (Koenugard), and they all were Scandinavians...Actually, Kievan Rus was a polyethnic medieval state ruled by Normanns and their main dynasty of Rurikids till the Mongolian invasion to Kievan Rus.
When was maded DNA test on norwegian and Icelandic people there was founded high percentage of east european DNA R1A around 20-30%. And did you see funeral speech of Swedish king Charles XI? Thats mixture of Polish and Russian not Swedish
@@881terror at that time there were Russian speaking areas ruled by Sweden east of the Baltic sea (Neva estuary, Yam-Koporye, Karelia etc). And the speech was translated to Russian using Latin alphabet for Russian speaking subjects of the crown. It was also translated to Finnish and other languages. I think knowing about that document and not knowing that swedes actually ruled over some Russians at that time is kind of cringeworthy.
I should mention that the East Slavic division can be traced as early as in the late 12th-early 13th century. Moreover, it was not simply "East Slavic to Russian and Ruthenian" but rather "East Slavic" into "Novgorodian, Old Ukrainian, Old Belorussian, and Old Russian." Regarding Ruthenian, it is largely related generally to *written* sources in Old Belorussian and Old Ukrainian. It may sound quite confusing but during the 13-17th centuries, Belorussians and Ukrainians tend to use Church Slavonic for clerical communication, written Ruthenian for diplomacy and "high" literature, and spoken versions of corresponding languages for everyday communication and "low" literature. But, in general, the map is really accurate. I can say that you're probably one of the best RUclips mappers at this point. Unlike many others, it is clear that you put a lot of time and effort into research.
@@Stalker-no8ch Чому ж тоді Московія напала на Новгород і завоювала? Звідси висновок - Московія була улусом Орди. На це є багато підтверджень. Недарма ж відомо, що до 1700 року цар Петро сплачував татарам кримським данину.
You are right. The author made a little error linking too much the creation of new national identities with the language divisions. For example, as you mentioned above, Ukrainian national identity started to shape in XIX century, but the Ukrainian language was much more older than that...
"Old Church Slavic" is also known by its original name, "Old Bulgarian," since it is based on the Bulgarian dialect in Aegean Macedonia (today in Greece, the land of my ethnic Bulgarian ancestors).
@Fact: Islam is wrong ---based primarily on the dialect of the 9th-century Byzantine Slavs living in the Province of Thessalonica (in present-day Greece). ---first Slavic literary language ---literary, not vernacular
Serbian used to be some kind of Russo-Bulgarian-sounding language. It went extinct in the 19th century and was replaced by Bosnian, because most Serbs migrated into the Bosnian Eyalet which covered Bosnia, Herzegovina, parts of Montenegro, Slavonia and Dalmatia, and the lingua franca there was Bosnian. Vuk Karadzic and Ilija Garasanin are responsible for pushing for the abandonment of Serbian and the replacement. The Serbian Orthodox church was vehemently against their reforms, and the Serbian government was too up until about 4 years after Vuk's death. Whereas the Dalmatians spoke Chakavian, and the Croats spoke Kajkavian (which is related to Slovenian). In the 12th-16th century Chakavian was being actively promoted by Croat and Dalmatian writers as the language they should all speak. Then starting in the 16th century, Dalmatian writers would start to promote Shtokavian, which Dubrovnik's literati had chosen to adopt hundreds of years earlier from Bosnia in an attempt to save their language from Latinization. Migration of Bosnian Catholics into Slavonia and Bosniaks into areas like Lika, helped popularize Shtokavian and make it administrative in those areas under Bosnian pashas. Serb serfs would be brought to those areas to cultivate the land to feed the Ottoman armies, and would adopt Shtokavian there. Later Ljudevit Gaj would push for the use of Bosnian (Shtokavian & Shchakavian) like Vuk Karadzic did, and that's when for example areas like Zagreb replaced Kajkavian with Shtokavian completely. And this is why they all sound similar today. But if you read the documents from the 12th-13th century of all 3 countries, they sound very different.
Damn, I thought you won’t remake the video, so I didn’t make my remarks to the past. This time I will write. I read a lot of scientific articles on this topic and systematized knowledge. I hope my remarks come in handy. Sorry for my English, I used Google translate a lot. Southern Slavs: Not sure if the Bulgarians have been the main population of Dobrudja all this time. As far as I know, from the time of the high or late Middle Ages and in the New Time, the main population there were "Tatars", whose descendants are the Gagauz in Moldova. They are Orthodox, and apparently, the Bulgarian language was used there, but was not the main one. Kosovo was almost completely homogeneous Slavic long before the late Middle Ages. Also, I think, it is worth distinguish at least the Kaykavian dialect, as quite special. Changing the language in southeastern Serbia from "Serbo-Croatian" to "Bulgarian" in the middle of the 14th century is not entirely correct. In fact, they speak the Torlak dialect, which with equal success can be called both a dialect of Serbo-Croatian and Bulgarian. Also, the Slavs were not the main population of the northern Vojvodina from about the 11th to the 15th century. But these territories and a significant part of southern Hungary began to inhabit (up to Budapest, a significant part of the territories of modern Hungary in the 16-17th centuries had a Slavic majority, and all of modern Vojvodina was completely Slavic) and northwestern Romania (Timisoara), the whole Bachka and a large part of the Banat from the 16th century to the 18-19th, when part of these territories became Hungarian and Romanian. Western Slavs. Polish was not used throughout East Prussia, only in its southern part. Also, there was no Polish presence in most of Pomerania since the high Middle Ages, except for its extreme east, where the Kashubian language was. Central and Western Pomerania were completely German-speaking. Also completely Germanic was most of Silesia south of the Oder. Slavic enclaves persisted only north of the Oder in Silesia. Luzhitian language, on the contrary, was more widespread until the 19th century than in the 19th and early 20th centuries. East Slavs. The most problematic area. The Eastern Slavs retained their significant presence in modern eastern Poland (Podlasie, etc.) after the 16th century and were significant minorities until the 19th and 20th centuries. The East Slavic language remained very significant throughout Moldova even after the Mongol invasion. Russian and Ruthenian are historiographic names for slightly different written norms of the same language. This is not a spoken language and it is not a genetic division of the East Slavic language. The neighboring dialects in the shown “Russian” and “Ruthenian” zones were either very close, or it was generally one dialect, it was a single dialect continuum. Therefore, it is also wrong to show the change of language from Ruthenian to Russian, since the spoken dialect did not change. The dialect/language difference was different. From ancient times, there was a special Novgorod (Novgorod-Pskov) dialect inside the East Slavic language, while dialects of other regions were almost the same, but other dialects began to appear by the time of the collapse of Rus. Then, inside the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Russian Tsardom, these dialects began to mix and form new dialects. The Novgorod language was mixed with the dialect of the Moscow principality and some other Central Russian principalities, and the northern and central Russian dialect zones appeared. Dialects of the Ryazan principality, Smolensk and Severia, which formed the southern Russian dialect zone, closely connected with Belarusian dialects. Belorussian dialects were closely associated with Ukrainian dialects in the region of West Polessye. There was no change of language from Ukrainian to Russian in the Starodub district, only politics changed, the UPR claimed to these territories, but this did not change the language and self-identity of the local population. The Starodub dialect is not considered Ukrainian. There was also no change of language in most of the Belgorod region, in its main part there were definitely Russian dialects (Russian and Ukrainian dialects were indistinguishable from each other in the region of eastern Polessie, where they were originally adjacent, but in more southern territories of Wild Fields where the Eastern Slavs appeared in large numbers later and which populated from different sides the linguistic border between Russian and Ukrainian dialects was more tangible). But there was a large Ukrainian linguistic enclave in the south of the Voronezh oblast, north of the modern Lugansk region. Central Ingermanland (Izhora Upland) was Slavic from 12-13th (judging by archeology) to 17th centuries. Also Ingermanlandia did not become completely Slavic in the 18th century. On the southern coast of the Gulf of Finland, west of St. Petersburg, there remained a rather significant Izhora and Votic population (these peoples exist today but are on the verge of extinction) To the north of St. Petersburg also remained the Finnish population until the Winter War. There is also a small area of Vepsian language southwest of Lake Onega (South to Petrozavodsk, north to Tikhvin). This territory was not homogeneously Slavic-language. Just like South Karelia east of Lake Ladoga (Olonets and west of Petrozavodsk), where the Karelian language still remains. In contrast, in north-eastern modern Karelia, on the White Sea coast (coastal strip of East Karelia and the southern Murmansk Region), the Russian language (more precisely, its Pomorje dialect) has been the main language since the Middle Ages. Also, Vyatka is not shown, where the Slavic population was also the main one from at least the 13th to 14th centuries, but, most likely, judging by the toponymy, it was there before. On the contrary, Mordovia is shown as a entirely russian-language territory from the 16th century, despite the fact that the Mordovian language still exists there (Republic of Mordovia and the southern regions of Nizhny Novgorod oblast)
Thank you for your comment. Feedback is very important for me to improve the videos. Some brief notes: Torlakian is considered a dialect of south Slav, developped in the zone that the Bulgarian language meet the Serbian. I note these regions with Green with orange stripes or orange with green stripes. The Gagauz people lived mainly in southern Moldova and the region of Budjak of Ukraine, not in Dobruja. Slav population remained In Banat and Backa (less in Baranja) during the Hungarian Kingdom. They increased slightly after 17th century. They seem in the ethnic maps of Austria-Hungary in these regions. Russian and Ruthenian emerged as different languages during the Polish period of the South-West Rus. The differences were apparent after 19th century but the process had begun some centuries before. Thank you again for the comment
@@CostasMelas As inconvenient as it is, maybe it could be possible to upload new videos with *amendment 1, 2, 3 etc* in the title so that you can continuiously improve the quality of your videos. As someone who works a lot with making historical ethnic maps in my own time, I understand how getting a perfect picture in one video at one period of time can be extremely difficult. Thanks for your work and good luck with future work.
@@CostasMelas You did a great job. I agree with your amendments for the most part, but Ruthenian is considered a сancelar language. This is not a genetic entity, it is only a name for the written language, the continuation of the written Old East Slavic language in the GDL. Therefore, the change of Ruthenian language to Russian does not correspond to reality. For example, during the capture of Smolensk by the Russian Realm, the written language changes slightly (since in the 15-16th century the language of written monuments in Moscow and in the GDL actually does not differ), but the spoken dialect does not change. It was the Smolensk dialect (the Western dialect of the South Russian dialect zone in the modern classification), and it remained.
@@CostasMelas Also, Evidence of the appearance of the Gagauz in Budjak dates back only to the 19th century, when Russia announced the numerous migrants from Bulgaria to Budjak. At the same time, until this moment, in Dobrudja since the Middle Ages, the Christian "Tatar" population was recorded. It can be no one but the ancestors of the Gagauz. Moreover, given the fact that the Turkic minorities (except for the Turks themselves) of Bulgaria, but converted to Islam, continue to be called Gagauz.
@@CostasMelas Ukrainian Cossacks never contacted to moscovian ambassadors without translators. Ruthenian language was enough to different from Russian language in 15-16 centuries already.
Before WWII: strong German speaking minority in Czech lands and Poland Hitler: I don't like it, I want more After WWII: No german speaking minority in Czechoslovakia and Poland Hitler: fuck
I know that is only a joke, but Germans are actually the biggest minority in Poland (around 150.000 people) mainly in the Opole region. Their biggest political party (Mniejszość Niemiecka) has even a seat in the Polish parlament.
This representation is heavily biased to modern countries. Example Hungary, Eastern and South Austria were slavic speaking places before the year 1000.
And partly Romania and Moldova,and germany.
@@dowmont6209 Moldova actually was completely slavic before vlachs migration.
@@alakazor9643 nope, vlach means strange/stranger/foreigner in old slavon or slavic, they gave them this name because they didn't speak a slavic language and they couldn't understand them, they already lived in modern day romania, but not around the sea
@@reikers Vlachs migration in modern Moldova was started in near X-XI centuries, before this moment it was completely slavic.
@@alakazor9643 it was more avar not slavic
2:20 let's just take a moment to acknowledge barcode romania
Epic
This is because the Old Church Slavonic functioned for the Romanian church as well as for the state chancelleries as an official language for many hundreds of years. It had the same status that Latin had for the Catholic Church. As the monasteries held the cultural monopoly of the Romanian space, OldChurchSlavonic continued to Slavicize the Romanian language also because the Orthodox Church saw Latin as an exponent of the Catholic Church (the enemy). Proper names, toponyms, river names, have been translated into Slavonic, remaining to this day in the official toponymy. The Cyrillic alphabet was used to write in Romanian until the middle of the 19th century, etc
All in all really good video, jut several Slavic languages have longer history of their grammar than the video suggests (Bulgarian, Slovene, Slovak, to name a few) and the fluctuations of geographical extent of some of them have been slightly bigger than shown here.
you know that Slovaks + Moravians and Panonian Slavs had one name: Slovieni
@@881terror that's not exactly right either, it's like saying that "only" these slavic people were called slavs, which in fact were all the other ones too... since slovieni literally means "slav"... People oftentimes forget that humans back then didn't differenciate between each other that much when it came to nationality and so they went "ah yes, I'm slav" (funnily enough it also means that great moravia's true name is "kingdom of the slavs" and it's ruler was "king of slavs")
@@Rhosus They were calling themselves Slavs probably because there was not something like a sense of nationality back then and all Slavic people used to call themselves similarly. They would probably call other Slavs, well, "Slavs", so "People of the word (those who can speak [our language])" and non-Slavs "Mutes" / "Nemci" (people who cannot speak [our language])
@@Ponanoixhow do you expalin north and south Sorbs in Lužica in germany and south Sorbs in Polan in relation to Serbs from Balkan. It is known that Lutschich Serbs had their "kneževina: in 600-700 a.c. They still live in that land which is not taken into acount on this map. It would be great if the video could be corected and posted again so that there would be no more missunderstandings left.
This video starts from when slavic split off from baltic. I think its reasonable since he doesnt start the video about germanic langauges from PIE either.
I like your map style.
Agree
Looks like a reg map to me tbh
@@MargaritaMagdalena so what
Make baltic languages next! And then finno-ugric languages.
Baltic possibly to be done soon
I'm so Unusual Well you got your wish
German and schweden!
@@ZordragRF Germanic languages
You can add "please".
Old Novgorod dialect that was spoken in North Russia until 16th century is missing. It was very different from Old Russian, could be classified as its own branch(North Slavic)
Not very but different from Rostov - Suzdal dialect. And from the combiantion of these two dialects the Old Russian has developed.
@@KIRILL-fl7cp
Good joke.
@@Oleksij_Shelest
Joke is ukranian propaganda you believe my friend
@@KIRILL-fl7cp
Sad. You can't make it better.
It was not very different. It had some minor, but unique features, but basically, it was completely mutually understandable with other East Slavic dialects.
this map is all wrong. The Croats weren't striped. They're checkered. It's a big difference.
😂
This comment hits on another level.
This is no laughing matter
@@jandevisser2385First things first.
Ha: I am a Sorbian.
Hello brother from Serbia! 🥰
@@Nista357 Sorbs are from Lusatia, not from Serbia :D
Hi, greetings from polish neighbour!
@@r.t.5767 Sorbs are from Serbs that went to help Samo's empire and great Moravia against the Vatican and Teutonic genocide later. We are relatives.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Juri%C5%A1i%C4%87_%C5%A0turm
@@r.t.5767 Hello brothers in PL! 🤍❤✊✊✊
Reuploaded to improve some points and fix some graphics problems
I don't know if the spead of Eastern Slavic/Russian was that fast into Karelia/North. But I might be wrong. There is little knoledge/information about that. But there's atleat one mistake that I am sure. There was atleast no Russian speaking population in the Finnish Karelia(1917-1940/1944). After the WW2 Karelia was repopulared with mostly Russian speakers due to every Karelian and Finnish people leaving the "Old (Finnish) Karelia".
I'm not sure about the situation during (1812-1917), but even then there must have very 'few' Russian speakers.
There was maybe no Russia speakers in the northern "Finnish Karelia" due to that been part of Sweden (1658-1721).
But its hard to say.
Where is Yaik cossaks? which conquere in the 16th century Nogay Horde en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Cossacks
and, at least to the 20 century they was majority of Ural river population
@@АндрейЕрмилов-х8п
Because Moxel "Cossacks" are finno-turkic people. They wouldn't even understand a single Slavic word.
@@Oleksij_Shelest Ural cosacks spoke on Finougric language? very interesting. Why they have russish names?
@@АндрейЕрмилов-х8п
I think you use too untruthful history book to make any statement that I would believe into it.
Somebody needs to make a meme with Cyrill and Methodius saying "Slav, my son, you're a Christian now. Now it's time for you to choose between an alphabet we specially made for your language to fit it's phonetics, or you can choose an alphabet originally invented to write Etruscan and use shitloads of diacritics and digraphs. Catholic Slavs: Szczieczjaščžju
Przeszkadza Ci to? xD
ur wrong actually, cyryllic dont have proper phonetics for polish language. that's why we use ą ę ś ć ż ź
@Zoej source?
@@kryn1u little yus (ѧ) represents ę, big yus (ѫ) represents ą
@Zoej true, early cyrillic ѫ and ѧ for nasal vowels, but it never had any letters to distinguish cz from ć, sz from ś and rz/ż from ź...
Slavic influence enter in Romanian territory
Italics: Damn you!
Only as a liturgical language is Eastern Orthodox worship and scholarship
@Osama Bin Laden West Slavs and East Slavs may be like that because of Russia. South Slavs... you know why. :)
@@chuckbrotton2449 The nowadays territory of Romania was inhabited by Slavic speakers since the very beginning. Just a natural melting pot culturally and genetically. Another aspect is that during the Romanian renascence in the 19-th century some thousand words of Slavic (not to say Bulgarian) origin were mechanically swapped with French, Italian or Latin ones, but that is also a normal process. Yet there are maybe not less than 10% of Slavic words in use and countless toponyms. Also the Romanian is part of the Balkan Linguistic Community with Albanian, Bulgarian and Greek. It was not a matter of bureaucracy like the Latin in the West.
@@chuckbrotton2449 Nope, there is many slavic placename in modern Romania.
@@DEIYIAN The whole of Europe was a melting pot, the area of Romania today is no different. And there was no "mechanical" removal of words. You can take a text before and after and you'll see no major differences. What actually happened is that during the "Romanian Rennaisance" alot of loanwords were introduced from the French language just like today we have alot of loanwords for IT/computer stuff from English.
"The nowadays territory of Romania was inhabited by Slavic speakers since the very beginning" - Yeah, right! The Dacians/Getae/Tharcians/Carpians, even the Celts were in present-day territory of Romania earlier than the Slavs. What is the "beginning" for you lol?
Greeting SLAVIC LANGUAGEAS
🇵🇱🇷🇺🇧🇾🇷🇸🇺🇦🇭🇷🇸🇮🇧🇬🇧🇦🇲🇰
You also forgot 🇨🇿🇸🇰🇲🇪
@@TheOlgaSasha Pochoże dlja nego czechy, slowaky i ćernogorcy ne braťja. Nawernoe, oni jego ćem-to obideli :)
Cześć bracie
Russian is not slavic.
Вітаю
Very good map, its just biased towards modern borders and demographics. For example parts of Austria and the panonian basin were slavic speaking before the year 1000 and northern albania was predominantly slavic before the ottoman conquest, judging by ottoman tax reports. And kosovo was majority slavic until pretty recently.
Wrong about Kosovo. Its Majority Albanian since hundreds of years. Whats pretty recently for you?
@@skend3489 What does "since hundreds of years ago" mean to you. Albanians started settling there in larger numbers in the 18th century after the area was left depopulated from Ottoman reprisals. The settlers were were largely catholic but were forced to adopt islam soon after. After that point the Albanian population slowly rose up while the Serb population was dwindling due to atrocities commited by the Turks before the balkan wars, Bulgarians during WW1, Italians during WW2 encouraging Albanian irredentism, a standard divide and conquer strategy. After the world wars, Tito has plans for Albania to join Yugoslavia and the key was gifting kosovo to it so he made no effort to bring back the displaced families from the second world war. After that the Yugoslav wars marked the latest exodus of serbs from both Kosovo and other parts of former Yugoslavia. I hope this answers your question
@@viktormilosevic8172 Even if it is True why should it matter now? You cant just Kick them out of their homes they didnt ask to be Born There, they didnt do anything to you but live in a land. And Kosovo had always had an Albanien Pop.
@@viktormilosevic8172 Do you see where im going at? Todays Albanians in Kosova didnt emigrate they were just Born there they know nothing else. We dont have to argue over autochtony because what mattere is that we are all humans and humans wander and borders were always shifting in history. The Balkans is a Special case because of all the big Empires that were ruling over it for thousands of years.
I can Tell you that northern albania was Never slavic. Since thousands of years only Albanians lived there
Very impressive and difficult task to complete! my only nitpick is that it was a bit early to see Polish dissapear in some of Silesia, in the areas north of the oder Polish was still generlaly the majority language until after the thirty years war, and as well as Opole
Yeah, for example Wrocław was still a majority speaking, border-line polish city in 1650, only later did the german-polish line crossed it. But generally speaking, the germanisation of Silesia was pretty slow during Austrian times, only after Prussia, later Germany, seized the territory In 1742, the process became more rapid
that video is wrong. Polish was spoken as a minority language throughout the whole of Ukraine (with exception of Crimea) and Belarus until extermination of Poles by Soviets in 1937-38. There were majority Polish areas near Minsk and Kiyv until that time. Lvov (Lviv) in Western Ukraine was majority Polish until Soviets expelled Poles in 1945-46. According to the Tsarist census of 1897 6% of Smolensk (Russia) population were Poles.
@@CrazyLeiFeng Yes, you are right about that too
At first time when I was in Poland and heard polish I had impression to be in middle age because of sounds of polish language. Great language
Impressive, very nice...
4:17
Top 10 Saddest Anime Deaths
rip polabian
The only dead slavic language
i don't see anything
@@Pingijno where was spoken this language?
2:10 man, 2:10...
Video: History of the Slavs.
Slavs: *aggressively hate each other in the comments*
Samo sloga Slovene Spasava! 😊❤
Slava velikom Slovenskom rodu!
No. We love each other 🤗
To be fair the map does need some improvements.
Najlepsi jesteśmy my - Polacy - bo najbardziej nienawidzimy samych siebie, A potem wykorzystują to nasi sąsiedzi i nas podbijają.
Slavs,slavs never change
1:14 That's... familiar...
polish bois
WHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED
@River Piscean To że to mem związany z I RP, a te tereny przypominają dawniej przez nią posiadane - śmieszne czy nieśmieszne to nieważne, to mem
China ?
Whats with the two china replies. Is that the only thing that has that shape? Its not even relevant to the video. The shape looks similar to Polish-Lithuania or just Poland in WW2. Not the china china
Finally! A video visually describing the history of the Slavic languages has emerged! Bring fourth our Slava!🇵🇱🇨🇿🇸🇰🇷🇺🇺🇦🇧🇾🇷🇸🇭🇷🇸🇮🇲🇪🇧🇦🇧🇬🇲🇰
No, this video do not come even close to actual describe real history of Slavic languages spreading.
bruh 😬
@@nnannbbh that's a point
@@nnannbbh Kosovo
Wtf Kosovo?
Kosovo je Srbija🇷🇸
Slovenian is actually closer to czech and slovak language than other south slavic but because of location on the map and our history under yougoslavia they count us as sout slavic language
and slovenians inhabit all of Kärnten and styria in austria.
And slovenian fist book is from 10th century and first dictionary was written in 15th century which meand that slovenian existed way beafore than what is showed in this video
It is miracle that slovenian language still exist at first slovenians or carantanians were part of samo's kingdom and after that we had our country called carantania we fought wars with avars, franks and bavarians. Eventualy we surrender in year 828 and than we beacame duchy of frankish kingdom until year 900 after that franks give carantania under the bavarians and so slovenian language was forbiden until the end of austro-hungary empire in 1918
Same thing with East Slavic languages. Belarusian and Ukrainian are more similar to Slovak/Sorbian/Czech then to Russian, because they evolved from the common language unlike Russian (from the Old Church Slavonic). But because of the location they all considered to be in one group
@@amalgama2000 Czech? What
They are mix of Polish and Russian
@@kssrnotsoviet your expertise in languages and eternities is beyond poor. But it isn't strange if one take your nickname under consideration. All soviets are hard core delusionists
🇵🇱 🇨🇿 🇸🇰 🇸🇮 🔵🔴⚪💪
They have all in common that they were greatly influenced by germanic language. I speak Slovenian and Serbian. You can kind of tell how old is the language by how it sounds because it coresponds with duration of the opression from other non slavs. I am learning Macedonian and have many Macedonian friends, i can tell you thet there are a lot more "Slovenian" words in Macedonian language than in Serbian, even tho Macedonia is considerd to be the Old Serbia because early Serbian history happened predomenantly on that land. That coresponds with them being concured by Turks tham other parts of Serbia so it renaind more unchanged to this day because it was repressed. Slovenian was also repressed pretty early and for a long time, that is why they sound more similar even tho they are so far apart, plus foreign words they adopted. Next to be concord by otomans were Serbs and then after Serbs croats by austrhungary. You can kind of see the evolution of south slavic language from old south slavic (wersion of Slovenian and Macedonian) to Serbian (ekavica) and then to croatian dialect jekavica which is also spoken in Montenegro which was never concord by anyone (but they identify as Serbs and say they speak Serbian). I should also mention I actually originate from Montenegro from Njeguši (some people may be confused when I say I'm Serbian). The longer the sluth slavs stayed independant the more alive was the language and the faster it changed/evolved. I believe it would be possible to apply that teory to other slavic languages, it doesent necessarly mean they were opressed it cud also mean that they were just under stronger foreign influence. For example Russian kind of sounds like jekavica to me (just that they don't call it that, you know the use of the soft and hard letter). Cech, Slovach, Polish and Lužičko Serbian sound more similar to my ear, more "rough" like german.
Love to all Slavic brothers and sisters, protect and cherish our language, tradition and faith.
Glory to God in heaven, peace to earth and good will among us.
If anyone is wondering why the region of Ruthenia (modern day Belarus and Ukraine) is also striped with West Slavic Polish Language in the mid 1500's, it is because of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth union from 1550 to roughly 1780, during which POLISH was the lingua franca of the commonwealth, and all aristocrats in Belarus and Ukraine spoke Polish (because the territiories of Ruthenia were all part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth union). Only the working-class in Belarus and Ukraine spoke Ruthenian (Ruthenian= ancestor of modern day Belarussian and Ukrainian language) at that time. That's why Belarussian and Ukrainian (despite being EAST SLAVIC in origin), have HUGE West Slavic Polish language influences too, because of the Polish loanwords during the commonwealth era which seeped into Ruthenian language at the time. that's why Belarussian and Ukrainian is much easier to understand for a Pole than Russian for example. (Russian has much less Polish vocabulary language influences than either Ukrainian or Belarussian).
Ruthenia is Latin for Russia. So all these territories were Russian. And people there called themselves Russian (русские) til XX century.
No one:
Comments: "This is the russian/greek/ukrainian propaganda!"
@Multorum Unum Hieronymus Bosch "The Garden of Earthly Delights"
@Multorum Unum Your welcome!
@Чичо Радко That means that people act like that without visible reasons.
Чё?
Cho blyat'?
Serbo-Croatian counted as one?
As it always should have been ❤
literally the same languages they just seperate because of politics
It is just a dialect no need for separation.
@@pavlesevaljevic4623 If serbocroatian is to be split in 2 based on dialects you would get serbocroatian and dalmatian.
Yes, and it will be that way, it will always be the same language with a few accents.
People will say its the same language but that name implies serbian dominance and thats why croats dont like it. Even thoe I can understand more of serbian than most of the island dialects of croatia. Its sad that we are not united but the time for that was 1200 years ago, we cannot be the same even thoe we are brothers.
Rest in peace polabian slavs conquered by germans
They are not killed
@@olaful5343 but are forcibly assimilated
If it were not for Russia, most, if not all, Slavs would have been overrun by Germans and others by now.
Rest in peace east Germanic tribes
And rest in peace Dalmatian language, that slavs made it extinct.
Beautiful history! Well done. But one thing I don't understand. Why Czech and Slovak separated in your map so late? As far as I know (and I am Czech), written Czech was first documented at the begining of 13th century and at the turn of 14th and 15th century, it gradually established as chancery language in Kingdom of Bohemia, Margriavite of Moravia nad Upper Silesian duchies. Approximately at the turn of 15th and 16th century, Czech also established as written language in Upper Hungary (i. e. what is today Slovakia), but in specific, definitely slovakized form, which means, that common spoken language in what is today Slovakia was in that time markedly different from spoken language in Bohemia and Moravia. It does mean, that also Slovak was at that time established as separate language. Not yet written, but definitely spoken. At the turn of 18th and 19th century, Czech literary language underwent extensive modernization (so called Czech national revival, which was basically reaction to preceding prolonged decline of the language), whilst Slovaks developed roughly at the same time genuine Slovak literary language (instead of slovakized Czech). But it definitelly doesn't mean that before 19th century were no separate Czech and Slovak languages. Please, don't take it as criticism. Your histories are awsome and I greatly admire you. It was just my minor factual note.
I agree. Maybe I'm not an expert in Slovak history, but it's obvious that Slovak is significantly closer to Ukrainian and Serbo-Croatian languages and is quite understandable to speakers of them. From genetic point of view Slovaks are not so hard R1a-M458-dominated as Czechs, which makes them somewhat closer to R1a-Z280-CTS-dominated South-West and East Slavs. And simultaneously unlike Czechs and Poles they have quite much (16%) I2a, which is close to Slovene (22%) and Ukrainian (20.5%) levels, despite it's still much less than Serbo-Croates have (31-54%), however last exaggerated value may be explained via Founder effect work. So in total it's likely that Slovak from beginning was a mix of West Slavic (Czech) and Carpathian (Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovene) dialects.
@@rdtgr8 I think that I know the reason why you see slovak language as some kind of mix of western and carpathian slavic language. In my humble opinion it's because in 7-9th century in todays west and middle Slovakia was slavic tribe of Nitravians (ancestors of Slovaks) and on the east there were White Croats. One part of them later moved on Balkan and second stayed and most likely were assimilated. So mix of western Nitravians and eastern White Croats could caused that nowadays slovak language can be understandable to many other Slavic nations.
I'm guessing the "inaccuracies" are based on different quantity and quality of surviving historical records - things may suddenly appear different before and after gaps in the data instead of blurring through transition.
Language drift and genetic drift are both constant yet gradual ... until contact with an outside population quickly imposes dramatic changes.
ruclips.net/video/8BpixH088xg/видео.html
According to modern linguistics Czech and Slovak are the same language even today
Slovene diverged from Serbo-Croatian only a century and a half ago? I find that hard to believe, they're quite different. Some of your info must be off.
Slovenian is actually closer to czech and slovak language than other south slavic but because of location on the map and our history under yougoslavia they count us as sout slavic language
And slovenian fist book is from 10th century and first dictionary was written in 15th century
It is miracle that slovenian language still exist at first slovenians or carantanians were part of samo's kingdom and after that we had our country called carantania we fought wars with avars, franks and bavarians. Eventualy we surrender in year 828 and than we beacame duchy of frankish kingdom until year 900 after that franks give carantania under the bavarians and so slovenian language was forbiden until the end of austro-hungary empire in 1918
map is wrong on so many levels.
@@masterofnordinbad8914 So why do all linguists put it as a South Slavic language? It has nothing to do with the location.
@@dragonitzgame idk probabli location and history
I know that slovak language and czech language are way closer to alovenian than serbo croatian
@@masterofnordinbad8914 maybe its like the case of English? It has more Romance vocabulary but its a Germanic language.
Anyway, the video is a bit wrong, because in Austria and Hungary Slavs lived for a long time. Perhaps Slovenian is the link between the West Slavic languages and the South Slavic languages, and that is why it resembles both.
In the mid-9th century, Lower Pannonia was inhabited by a Slavic majority. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Pannonia_(9th_century)
That is why Hungarians and Poles are best friends.
I've read somewhere that "panonian Slavs" were living there until the year 1500.
@@mcarco118 panonian Slavs + moravians + Slovaks are in one language family = Slovieni
There is no certainty among historians about the extent of the Slavic languages before 400 CE. Pannonia before the invasion of the Magyars was also Slavic-speaking, although the Avars ruled there.
Slavs were migrating to Byzantine territory trough Avar territory
That was only the case for the Pannonian land East of the Danube. Slavs were a significant minority in the rest of Pannonia.
@@VuleProductions invading but yeah
@@basedchad6035 Migration is not the same as invation
@@dragonitzgame you dont think there were people before? You think they were happy their land got taken?
Bruv dont be so naive. Its been a while. No reason to lie about that history
There is also a village on Sjælland (Denmark) called Kramnitse (or Kramnitze), wich was initially settled by slavs.
Slavs never reached Denmark at all and there's no evidence to proof it, the name kramnitise (Kramnitize) may not actually be of wendish origin but if its of slavic origin then it's proberly named because of Germans who were occupying and influencing some of Denmark with village names since Germany has lots of slavic names who then adapted it as their own. Slavs only reached to schielwig near anglia which is northern Germany (close to border of Denmark)
@@jemalo36The slavs only traded with the Vikings during those ages but they NEVER ever settled in coastal areas of Denmark and Norway since they were ongoing conflicts between them and they never wanted wars between each other so they did only trade. Those are fully homogenous Germanic nations.
@@jemalo36Trade doesn’t also always mean intermingling with each other but by that logic it means eastern Slavs have Turkic and Mongolian ancestry because they raided them and did mass trade.
@@michaelcalle2981 Ukrainians and Southern Slavs sure have turkish influence, they are darker than other slavs. And tatars sure had common progeny with eastern slavs, because there are populations of tatars who have blue eyes, blonde hair and european eye shape, especially in Kazan city
Parabéns , um excelente trabalho , principalmente na tentativa de sincronização, sou brasileiro de origem eslava (polonesa), lendo os comentários você pode perceber que não consegue agradar a "gregos e troianos" , fique tranquilo foi um ótimo trabalho (nesse exercício temos que levar em conta o nacionalismo e o antagonismo étnico, muita besteira se produz para defender as ideias megalomaníacas ), do ponto de vista cientifico os linguistas e geneticistas estão contribuindo para preencher as lacunas dos arqueólogos, antropólogos e historiadores !
eu sou decendente de venezianos, valeu por ajudar a defender veneza contra os turcos 😎👍
@@MarcosVinicius-dh6fk Are you joking? in reality it is the Republic of the Serenissima that prevented the Ottomans from invading part of Montenegro, part of Croatia and part of Slovenia.
keep in mind that the Venetians had already colonized some Turkish and Greek territories, up to Malta. Just to be clearer .... 😉
Hello Brazilian of polish descent. I live in Poland and am of polish descent, similarly
4:31 This is particularly the one I like the most
fun fact - there is a region with pomeranian speakers in Brazil
R.I.P Polabians (and Panonian Slavs, Dacian Slavs, Greek Slavs and Carantanians) lost slavic cousins [*]
Carantanians are still alive, they call themselfs Slovenes
@@kosa9662 But the Slovenian range now is smaller than it was earlier.
Dacian slavs were basically bulgarians so theoretically they are still living
One correction old Church Slavonic was the official language (old Bulgarian) of the Bulgarian Tsardom.
Dont forget to give the video and author a thumbs up.. Its so deserved. This is so cool, and just so fast put things into perspective, this is honey for my brain.
The video is grossly inaccurate, Slavic speakers of the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries should've been the vast majority in all of Southeastern Europe and mainland Greece, barring some isolated footholds of Latinitate and Koine Greek, like Monemvasia, Adrianople, Thessaloniki, and some cities on the Eastern Adriatic coast.
Yeah Byzantine didn't even control that regions. Even Thessaloniki (Solun) had bunch of Slavs there
The author of the video was born in the south of Bulgaria. This explains all the inaccuracies that concern you.
"Let foreigners, out of ignorance or negligence, take little care of them, but it is unforgivable for us to forget the Bulgarians from whose hands we received baptism, who have taught us to write, to read, in whose vernacular is our worship, in whose language for the most part we wrote almost to the time of Lomonosov, whose cradle is connected by inseparable knots with the cradle of the Russian people and so on. "
Yuri Venelin on Bulgarian history in 1829
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In his article Protection of the Old Bulgarian Language (1990)
Prof. Dr. Otto Kronsteiner from Austria writes:
“The Old Bulgarian language has become the cultural language of all Orthodox Slavs. It was the first state literary language in Medieval Europe long before the emergence of European literary languages - German, French, Italian, English, Russian "and Serbian inclusive, of course!
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"When Greek Christianity was officially accepted in Russia at the end of the 10th century, its distributors in Russia were mainly Bulgarian clergy. In this way, the Bulgarian language became the basis of the Russian Church and Russian literary language. "
M. Fassmer, quoted by M. Popov, The Bulgarian People between the European Races and Peoples, Sofia, Court Printing House, 1938;
“The influence of the Bulgarian language was felt extremely strongly by the Russians and Serbs until the 18th century, this influence weakened only in the 19th century, when vernacular elements entered the literature of these two peoples and replaced the influence of the old church influences. These influences were especially strong because the Russian Church Slavonic language also shows too much Bulgarian, and partly directly Eastern Bulgarian elements.
М. Фасмер, Die Bulgarische Literatur im Zeitalter des Zaren Simeon und ihre Bedeutung für die Orhodoxe Slawenwelt, Berlin, 1929
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"The orthography of our (ie Russian, b.a.) manuscripts from the middle of the XV century is a reflection of the orthography of the South Slavic (more precisely of the Middle Bulgarian) manuscripts. It is clear that between the middle of the XIV and the middle of the XV century, the Russian script came under the very strong influence of the South Slavic script and ultimately submitted to this influence. "
Alexey Sobolevsky
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"Bulgaria in the 15th century as a whole is this huge center through which the Byzantine influence in Serbia and Russia passes, a center through which this influence gets its Slavic color, strengthened in the numerous translations, which reflect the written reform of Patriarch Euthymius."
Dmitry Likhachev
What does that mena ? That Russians used the Kyrilic alphabet after Bulgarians ?
@@misterpikes7600 borrowed the alphabet as well as Christianity from Bulgarians
@@crimsonfarts6856 Since both came to you from the Romans same could be said about you . No point taking pride from something you didnt create and someone also uses
@@misterpikes7600 Our alphabet was invented by greeco-born bulgarians and we got our religion from the Byzantiums
@@crimsonfarts6856 did i say something wrong ? dont think so
Great work - small correction: Pomeranian should be noted as Kashubian. Source: a Kashubian.
Thank you
It's a dialect
@@juniorcrusher2245 your point is?
@@SornGeorge the videos talking about languages. Kashubian is not a language
@@juniorcrusher2245 so you take issue with Pomeranian being depicted in the video or with me noting this is Kashubian? Also, what makes you feel you need to let the world know about your opinions? Are you a linguist or a Kashubian?
Only we Serbs and our enemies Croats keep common language today until 2 thousand years!
Why enemy?
Yeah, everything is like in the respectable family: it's a family and everyone hates each other, lol.
@loder Man Yes and no. It’s definitely not only about religion even if it is the defining factor
@@bletrick3352 Oh yes bolive me it's only because of religion.
@@CapitanScimitar555 He probably is a fake Serb or chetnik from Yugoslav wars
Slavic Macedonian came into existence only in 1944. It is Bulgarian language as a base written on a Serbian typewriter with selective replacement of words, letters, imported elements just to make it sound distinct from Bulgarian.
Alexander of Macedon: i am joke to you?
@@881terror Alexander is greek
@@881terror Do not mistake the ancient Macedonian language (which was a close relative of ancient Greek and dissapeared slowly together with hellenisation of original Macedonians) with the modern, Slavic Macedonian language. They have absolutely nothing in common beside the name, even the teritorries they were spoken are mainly different. -_-
Turkic people: conquering ancient Indo-European (Scythian lands)
Slavs: *And i took this personally*
They came to modern day Austria lel
I thought it'd be started from Proto-Balto-Slavic
yeah why he dont give that years before 50 A.D.?
It all started from russia and Ukraine
@@grandetristesse3370 yeah from Ural to Caucasus and Dnieper river.
These guys expanded like crazy
Do you mean like cancer?
@Русский парень No, he has something against expansion. So do you. I bet you wouldn't like some other nation expand over your land, force you speak another language etc.
@Русский парень dude, he merely expressed that he was excited to see how fast and far did slavic people spread, he has nothing against slavs, relax.
@@ionbrad6753 well thats what germans and austrians done to us....
@Русский парень Have you got something against cancer? :)
интересно, но был упущен один момент в истории восточно-славянской ветви. речь о древненовгородском и древнепсковском диалектах. они существовали примерно до века 15го и впоследствии оказали влияние того, каким впоследствии стал русский язык. впрочем, в видео это и показывается, как russian, соседствующий с ruthenian, в нашей науке известном как западнорусский. такие-то нюансы, думаю в истории всех славянских языков что-то такое найдётся
Так это ж диалект. Если все диалекты тут показывать то это видео надо под лупой смотреть
Seeing the sorbs slowly disappear 😔
My smy a hišće tu budźemy 💖🔵🔴⚪💖
@@Slawny_luziski_Wojak I am Sorbian myself
@@Slawny_luziski_Wojak I support Lusatian Independence and the slavicization of the German race. Germans are already 1/3 slavic.
@@велимир-ю4я wtf nazi
Было очень интересно! Спасибо!
Slavs as fast as Rome falls: LET'S DO THIS
The Slavs were probably less than 0.1 million or 100k around 300 AD, confined to a small and remote corner of Europe, then they rapidly took all of eastern Europe, later also taking the Ukrainian and Siberian Steppes, now they number something like 300 million. One of the biggest demographic turnarounds that happened within recorded history
Well if we go with your logic TURKIC we're probably less than 0.1 million are 50k around 120 bc. Confined to a small landlocked and remote corner of the Altai mountains, later also taking CENTRAL ASIA CARCASSES ANATOLIA all the way to THRACE now there number something like 270 million and the population is still growing especially among MUSLIM TURKIC PEOPLE unlike the European how popular is decreased 😂
Make a video on Indo-Aryan languages next plz
I'll try to make it in the future
There’s already bunch of videos about that.I think he should make exotic videos that are about the Asia and Africa.
Russian : BRAT HINDI : BARAT
I only came upon your channel recently and already made a similar comment on the languages of Europe video, but I think you are underestimating the Slavicness of Austria in the early middle ages. In the 5-600s, Slavs became a majority in roughly 2/3 of the area - to this day, there are clear examples of Slavic derived placenames dotted over all of Carinthia, Styria, Lower Austria as well as East Tyrol (Lienz District), Southeast Salzburg state (Tamsweg District), and Southeast Upper Austria (Kirchdorf and Steyr districts). It's very difficult to make a good timeline for the germanization of these areas but similar to Eastern Germany it was a process that must have taken centuries. My guess is it probably didn't start for real until the 800s and probably wasn't completed until maybe 1050 for Lower Austria, 1200 for Styria, and is still ongoing in Carinthia.
Thank you for the comment. Indeed there was a more massive Slavic settlement in part of present-day Austria. Maybe I'll fix it in a future remake
Очень интересное видео, спасибо!
Thank you
Very useful. Thank you. I always wondered how s Country so close to Italy as Slovenia has a so different lenguauge from neolatin
Thank you
Silesian: Am I a joke to you
Nie słyszałem nigdy nikogo mówiącego w tym języku, nawet na Śląsku. Ja sam mieszkam na Śląsku i nie znam żadnego słowa po śląsku
@@stefankowalski347" Nie ma czarnych łabędzi, bo żadnego nie widziałem "
@@Pingijno Dobrze, w takim razie poprawię
Greetings from a silesian living in germany 🙋♂️
Not bigger joke than Macedonian that's for sure
The history of the Slavs before their baptism began is a mystery, shrouded in darkness, and the history of the emergence of the Slavic language and its division into Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Czech and others is generally unknown.The author you guess on the coffee grounds.
We have a clear Indian influence in some words and ornaments, yet the mythology is similar to Scandi.
Shocking to see Germany speaking Slavic languages before 1000
Good job! The pre-1944 eastern border of Finland is incorrect though, and Hungarian was the prevailing language in the south of modern Slovakia until WWII too
and where is Panonian Slavs and principality of Balaton?
He shows it as mixed
@@juniorcrusher2245 but they was not mixed. They was Slavic
Какими же стойкими типами были наши пращуры. Поклон им до земли за дела их вековые
Top notch! Спасибо very much! D.A., J.D., (atty, writer, Russian student) NYC
Video is plenty of errors.
Muito bom. Muito legal. Bem entendido através deste mapa ver expansão do língua eslava. Parabéns.
Wow, that must've taken a lot of time to compile for sure. Talking about painstaking work.
However, the Proto-Slavic area shown in the first minute of the video was in vast majority Baltic or Proto-Baltic.
On the other hand a huge chunk of the actual Proto-Slavic area has been left blank where it should've been marked Proto-Slavic: that area was approximately the Odra and Wisła basins (+ some middle reaches of the Łaba), naturally restricted by the sea in the north and various mountain ranges in the south. Bordering (Proto-)Baltic in the north-east and east, Thracian in the south-east, Celtic to the south-west and Germanic in the west (also not forgetting the "das drittes Volk" there who were Proto-Balto-Slavic kin of some kind).
Now Berlin but in the past Kopanica - slavic village.
Berlin is correct in Slavic language, it is a Slavic town name.
Copnic was a Village. It was not Berlin. Brlo was the word for Berlin.
That’s quite interesting, there is a neighborhood in Berlin called Köpenick. Im assuming it was a village which was integrated into Berlin, but Berlin had its own name like other comments have said
Yes and Brandenburg was called Branibor. In serbia we still have some village names like kopanica and branibor. We serbs came from that region and there are still lusatian serbs living there. They speak sorbian
- The name Berlin has its roots in the language of West Slavic inhabitants of the area of today's Berlin, and may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- ("swamp").
- Dresden's name etymologically derives from Old Sorbian Drežďany, meaning people of the forest.
seeing the comments of this video kinda weird
-Latin language speakers are friendly to each other
-German-speaking speakers are friendly to each other
-Slavic language speakers seem hostile to each other
@Dragan L This video doesn’t even consider Germanic or Romance speaking people, it doesn’t depict them neither in an hostile or a friendly way, I dunno why you’re so triggered and calling conspiracy on a video about Slavic languages because they didn’t show the spreading of languages that aren’t part of the family.
It's taken centuries of hard work by Latin-speakers and Germanic speakers to get it that way.
If the proto-slavs knew how their offsprings would fight and hate each other would they decide to split up?
Nope
Yes
There wasn't a choice, areas back then were much more isolated from each other without modern technology
The split of south-west slavic languages into the ancestors of Slovene and Serbo-Croatian was around year 800 ad. And Austria was populated by Slavic people during this time too, before it was colonized by the Bavarians.
It's a neat looking video, but I am willing to bet that it got a lot of other things wrong in the regions with which I am less familiar. Ultimately, it might prove useful to some Americans. But for everyone else, it is just a waste of 5 minutes.
But we have to thank him as he is not Slav. At least he tried to show their scholars opinion. While our Slavic "scientists" (I do not talk about all of them) didn't any analogic video for Americans and Western Europeans...
no, there was no split.
@@TheOlgaSasha Slavic official scientists (I do not talk about all of them) just copy and paste everything about history from german guy Friedrich Maurer who making german propaganda in 1942. That why our history is lie. Germans never write true about Slavic people and in 1942 = no chance.
The term Serbo-Croatian has only been around 1824 and it was termed by a German dictionarist and folklorist Jacob Grimm, imagine how different it would have sounded 1000 years prior.. probably almost unintelligibly different.. Therefore your recommendation is nonsensical and as a Bosnian pisses me off. not only does the term completely undermine the Bosnian and Montenegrin influence and development of this branch of Slavic, you want to further erase another 800 years of our connection with our language.. BKS or BKMS is a much fairer term to define this branch of the Slavic language..
Yeah, video has plenty of errors.
Originally, they Slavs were forming one group since 6. and 7. century with no dialectal differences.
Split between West and South Slavs was around 800 AD. Czech and Slovak were originally developing in South Slavic group with Karyntian/Slovenian/Serbo-Croatian. The reason for Czech/Slovak/Serbo-Croatian unity was probably a series of common countries (Samo's country, Great Moravia).
Bavarian and Frankish efforts to take over today Austria (Austria east of today Salzburg) and establishment of Margraviate of Austria, as well as arrival of Magyars around year 900 caused separation Czechs/Slovaks with the rest of South Slavs.
After separation of South Slavic group by Magyars, Czech/Slovak and Lechitic group created a more uniform group due to interaction.
My eyes are concentrating on Romania and Kosovo
I can't belive he made this shit on Kosovo, automatic dislike
Same
@Mustafa Küçükkürtül he's triggered about the fact that kosovo was always populated by the illiro-albanians
@@multiak3631 "iliro-albanians"
Adriatic Star ancient illyrians aka Albanians
Very nice map! As others mentioned though, slavic identity was much more developed before 1000AD. T😂here are first scripts in ancient Slovene in latin alphabet around 1100 latest in the region of Carinthia/Carniola , the Freising Manuscripts. Differentiation of southwest slavic occured much earlier than depicted. Ancient Slovene was present after Magyar migration between the early westslavic continuum.
Thank you
We do not speak Church Slavonic in Ukraine, it is only used in some Orthodox churches.
Davyd Rusyn Думаю, що мається на увазі, що церковнослов´янський мав вплив на русинський та український пізніше. Так само, як і польська. Ну, а наразі київський ізвод церковнослов´янскої є офіційною мовою церкви.
Hence why it's shaded on the map and not in "full color"
What language do you use in church? Ukrainian? Or Latin? As I remember, you have a mix of orthodox and roman catholicism, do you?
@@naelerasmans322 Ukrainian-speaking churches use Ukrainian without OCS (Old Church...) words, while Russian/ and Russian-speaking churches in Ukraine use modern Russian+OCS
Если у тебя хороший словарный запас, то любой славяноязычный человек может прочитать текст на церковнославянском, он будет понятен всем славянам без исключения, это как эсперанто среди славян своего времени.
This is the map of belarussian language in 1903 : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yefim_Karsky#/media/File%3ABelarusians_1903.jpg
В России любят белорусский язык и Беларусь, и её народ. Все перемещены, поэтому о чётких границах говорить трудно. Не думаю, что в Смоленске как то по другому поймут белорусский язык, чем в других регионах России.
This is not the belarussian map language. This is the the map of dialects. They just spoke russian with different dialect.
Ruthenian?
Your videos are awesomeeee
Thank you
Great information! Thank you
Great!
Most of kazahstan, all of dagestan, chechnya, all of tatarstan are speaking russian. A lot of people in Georgia, Armenia, all of Belarus. Around 70% of ukraine until 2022 spoke russian too. This map is more like about nations, than languages, but for some reason its called 'languages map'
This is about native speakers, not diaspora. Then the map would be completely different. Nobody speaks Russian at home in Dagestan, while for Ukraine it would be around 40% (incl. southern and eastern regions), if these regions aren't included, around 15%. But you can obviously see the that the Russian language is in southern and eastern Ukraine on the map, so where's the problem?
@@2dav7ry>15% in all of ukraine excluding south and east
i think that even after 2022 this is barely the case. Before it anything eastern than Zhytomir was 80% russian.
>what is the problem
Belarus, kazakhstan, tatarstan, are not a 'diaspora', but 100% native speakers. Excl. south kazakhstan. So, they should be painted as full russian along with ukraine up to rovno-zhytomir line until 2022.
@@levershredder Funny, because I live near Vinnytsia, also close to Zhytomyr. 😄 I can't hear any Russian here, only if you go to the city of Vinnytsia, you can hear some Russian, but it's usually mixed with Ukrainian + there are many people from Eastern Ukraine. I also have family in the Cherkasy region, I couldn't hear any Russian there. But obviously, when I was in Kharkiv, everyone spoke Russian there. So southeastern Ukraine definitely speaks Russian, but the rest of Ukraine, not really. I'd say Hungarian or Romanian are more common, but where did you find such data? 🤔
@@2dav7ryKiev spoke mostly Russian till 2022. )
@@ivydark9741 Kyiv yes, but not the region.
Sława!
НЕ В СИЛЕ БОГ А В ПРАВДЕ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kaszëbskô mòwa ?
Video: Take this as facts
Comments: Complete chaos
🇷🇺Благодарю вас!
🇺🇦Дякую!
🇧🇾Дзякуй!
🇵🇱Dziękuję Ci!
🇨🇿Děkuji!
🇸🇰Ďakujem!
🇸🇮Hvala vam!
🇭🇷Hvala vam!
🇧🇦Hvala ti!
🇷🇸Хвала вам!
🇧🇬Благодаря ти!
🇲🇰Ви благодарам!
In Russian we rather say "Спасибо" or in some regions "Дякую", "Благодарю" is more formal version. Slavs are the best :)
@@user-xg9yg8kg7i Никогда не слышал что бы говорили "дякую" в России, в каких регионах так говорят?
@@vladexsto6356 На юге вроде так говорят, но не все, у нас к сожалению диалекты вытесняются литературным стандартом. Но я знаю, что раньше, когда диалекты были больше развиты, такая форма вроде бы была более распространенной.
@@user-xg9yg8kg7i Только что читал о происхождении этого слова, оказывается оно происходит от немецкого " danke" и родственно английскому "thank". Вот так всё интересно
@@vladexsto6356 Да, я знаю. Оно не происходит от него, оно просто родственно ему, потому что германская группа языков и славянская родственны, обе ветви индоевропейские, если хочешь почетай.
Ruthenian language began the splitting process much more earlier than you shaw. At least in the XVI century Ukrainian and Belarusian languages were separated. The first evidences of literary Ukrainian language were documented in the XVII century. Also Ukrainians had self-determination word as Rusyns up to the XX century. So called "Rusyn language" you marked is nothing more than the Ukrainian dialect. Try again.
Modern rusyns living in the Carpathian region have the separate language.
@@SergMaly Who says? They do. Rusyns tell so, wiki tells so. How can you proof your opinion?
@@naelerasmans322 Wikipedia is not proof, and the person who says something is also not proof. The word "Rusyn" refers to all Ukrainians, not just those who live in Transcarpathia. I live in Dnipro (central Ukraine) and I can identify myself with both names.
@@davydko1507 I already understood where are you from, huh. A person who says something is not a proof, and you also aren't.
Is international academy of Rusyn culture the proof?
@@naelerasmans322
Rusyn and Ukrainian is synonymous terms. If someone call himself Rusyn he basically mean Ukrainian. What exactly are you cannot understand?
4:54 funny that the moment this song played that last note, the Russian language left the Caucasian countries
It's still spoken here in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan
@@extraditori6604 true but not at the rate that they did during the Soviet Union
Sad to watch as a Finn, all those Uralic tribes going extinct while Russia is expanding
They hadn't. They'd only adopted Slavic language and intermixed with newcomers. The antropogenic type of Northern and central Russians is more than 50% finnic. In my region it' s wery clear. Our finnic population (Komi Permyaks) still persists, and it's wery hard to distinguish Komi and Russians by speech or appearance. In fact, both are intermixture of both)).
@@vadimpm1290 many of them are extinct atm and the ones that are still there are struggling to preserve their language and culture
@Артём Кузнецов indians? I just said im a Finn, not 😂
@@ristusnotta1653 I knew it. Those bloody Finns were so thirsty for blood that they went to America and started to kill countless Indians. Shame on your ancestors!
make Finland Greater again Moscow wants to hide their real history. They are not Slavs but a mixture of Finno-Ugric tribes and Tatars.
01:14 Atilla clearly helped the spread.
Avars
it seem like attila was Slavic or official historician lie and Slavic had way bigger teritory
At that point Attila was dead for like a century
@@danilapolesciuk4316 means nothing
please do about the history of the Turkic language! Thank you!
I'll try to make it soon
@@CostasMelas excellent😊👍
Unfortunately, this map is also wrong. There are no traces of Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija before the 17th century. On this map it is shown as if there were no Serbs there at all
Hm, it means that Ukrainian and Russian are not the same, right? Yeah, they were East - Slavic but according to the map Russian appeared earlier and not from Ruthenian as Ukrainian language. Correct me if I'm wrong.
At a time when nations did not yet exist, the proto-Ukrainian and proto-Russian peoples were separated by a natural barrier - a large forest with swamps, so due to poor communication, their languages were created separately.
What language appeared earlier is a silly question. Languages change over time and Russian that appears on this map in 1500s wasn't the same as it is today.
All modern East Slavic languages are equally related to East Slavic language.
Ukrainian / Russian / Belorussian split has to do with political divisions of Russia, Poland and Lithuania. After the Mongol invasion many Russian principalities in the south and west became part of the Grand duchy of Lithuania (split into Russian and Ruthenian). Galicia (modern western Ukraine) became part of Poland. Later Lithuania entered a personal union with Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was born. Within that commonwealth modern Ukrainian territories of Lithuania were passed to the Kingdom of Poland (split of Ruthenian into Ukrainian and Belorussian).
All these changes are very gradual and complicated however and the map doesn't really reflect it. It's very basic / schematic. The people speaking the Ruthenian language would probably just tell you that they are speaking Russian. And people speaking East Slavic would tell you they're speaking Slavic or Russian. All these would be different from modern Russian of course. The names on the map are just historiographic terms.
@@sert87 Okay thanks for your essay but I didn't ask what language appeared earlier.
Ruthenia-c'est la Russie en langue Latine !!!!!!
@@АндрейБогуславский-б9о Да, ты прав, что Рутенией звали Русь, но тут имелось ввиду русинский язык (Ruthenian language).
Эх, жаль, что мы не узнаем, на каком языке говорили простые люди в Киевской Руси, ведь писали на церковном, который является искусственным и не был похож на разговорный.
Not sure why RUclips wanted me to see this but I'm not against it.
You forgot Old Novgorodian (North-East Slavic), which separated from Old Russian quite early, probably before the 9th century.
До конца 15 века существовал. Уже во время Ливонской войны 1558-1583 гг. вышел из употребления.
@@АндрейБогуславский-б9о Спасибо, кеп.
ERROR: 1945-2022 - 200'000 Polish speaking citizens in western Ukraine. The red lines shouldn't have been erased in that area.
Majority polish people leaved western Ukraine after WWII. Now in western Byelorussia there are places with polish speaking population, but in western Ukraine (eastern Galicia)- no.
@@petarprasevicthey probably ran away from their after being massacred by Ukrainians in Volhynia.
According census 2001, in Ukraine (all) was 144,100 ethnic Poles. But they are not all Polish speakers.
@@ivydark9741 during that time all Poland was occupied by Nazi. Where they ran to?
Error: 1945-2022 - 150'000 Ukrainian speakers citizens in “Recovered Territories”. The light blue lines shouldn't have been erased in that area. Also, according to the 2001 Ukrainian census, there were only 19 195 persons in Ukraine who called Polish their mother tongue, which is even smaller than the number of people in Poland for whom the Ukrainian language was native at the time. Even the genocidal actions of the Polish government didn't manage to change that.
Some correction to be made about Urals and Western Siberia: Russian speakers became the majority there correspondingly in the beginning of XVl century and in mid-XVII century, much earlier than is shown in your video.
not in the komi, nenets, bashkortostan
@@rincewindthewizhard2363 not completely, Komi were bilingual long time before that, as did the Karelians.
@@vadimpm1290 no they werent. Most of komi didnt know the russian before XX century
@@rincewindthewizhard2363 Rather frivolous statement. Komi were one of the most quickly "russified" finnic nations, though not assimilated, like finnic tribes of central Russia. They were bilingual for centuries. Where do you take your information from? Have you ever seen Komi traditional costume, or listen to traditional music? Are you Komi yourself, or do you live in this region, like me?
@@vadimpm1290 I've read this in the Batiev's text. I am a komi-permyak by a quarter
Like for Ruthenian.
Super video :).
I like how you can't call Southeast slavic and Old church slavonic what they actually are Bulgarian and Old Bulgarian
The Bulgar were Turkic warrior tribe. Bulgar was Turkic language which was spoken by the Bulgars. While the language was extinct in Danubian Bulgaria, it persisted in Volga Bulgaria, eventually giving rise to the modern Chuvash language.
Qazan Tatars.Volga Bulgars.Tugan yak Native land Tatar song: ruclips.net/video/2VYg1xZl_A4/видео.html
3:42 it is interesting that Liutprad of Cremona writes that in the northern parts of Europe there live a people who in appearance are called Ρουσιος (Rusios / Reds), and in their place of residence they are called normans (northerners), but normans are Scandinavians, not Slavic.
It is not a new fact. Here, in Ukraine, we all learnt even at school that Rus or Ruth were the Normannic people. The Byzantian chronicles of 10-11 centuris call more than 50 names of "folk of Rus" from Kiev (Koenugard), and they all were Scandinavians...Actually, Kievan Rus was a polyethnic medieval state ruled by Normanns and their main dynasty of Rurikids till the Mongolian invasion to Kievan Rus.
@@TheOlgaSasha As I remember, Rurikids was the main dynasty till the 16 century and then tzars became to Romanovs.
@@naelerasmans322 the Romanovs ruled until the 18th century. then the German dynasty ruled, although they called themselves novels.
When was maded DNA test on norwegian and Icelandic people there was founded high percentage of east european DNA R1A around 20-30%. And did you see funeral speech of Swedish king Charles XI? Thats mixture of Polish and Russian not Swedish
@@881terror at that time there were Russian speaking areas ruled by Sweden east of the Baltic sea (Neva estuary, Yam-Koporye, Karelia etc). And the speech was translated to Russian using Latin alphabet for Russian speaking subjects of the crown. It was also translated to Finnish and other languages.
I think knowing about that document and not knowing that swedes actually ruled over some Russians at that time is kind of cringeworthy.
I should mention that the East Slavic division can be traced as early as in the late 12th-early 13th century. Moreover, it was not simply "East Slavic to Russian and Ruthenian" but rather "East Slavic" into "Novgorodian, Old Ukrainian, Old Belorussian, and Old Russian." Regarding Ruthenian, it is largely related generally to *written* sources in Old Belorussian and Old Ukrainian.
It may sound quite confusing but during the 13-17th centuries, Belorussians and Ukrainians tend to use Church Slavonic for clerical communication, written Ruthenian for diplomacy and "high" literature, and spoken versions of corresponding languages for everyday communication and "low" literature.
But, in general, the map is really accurate. I can say that you're probably one of the best RUclips mappers at this point. Unlike many others, it is clear that you put a lot of time and effort into research.
Novgorod is first capital of Russia.
So in Novgorod speak Russian.
@@Stalker-no8ch Чому ж тоді Московія напала на Новгород і завоювала? Звідси висновок - Московія була улусом Орди. На це є багато підтверджень. Недарма ж відомо, що до 1700 року цар Петро сплачував татарам кримським данину.
You are right. The author made a little error linking too much the creation of new national identities with the language divisions. For example, as you mentioned above, Ukrainian national identity started to shape in XIX century, but the Ukrainian language was much more older than that...
@@mareksagrak9527 Ukrainian national identity started to shape in 17 century
@@Stalker-no8ch first capital of Russia is Moscow. Moscow destroyed Novgorod in the 15th century
"Old Church Slavic" is also known by its original name, "Old Bulgarian," since it is based on the Bulgarian dialect in Aegean Macedonia (today in Greece, the land of my ethnic Bulgarian ancestors).
Nonsense.
@Fact: Islam is wrong He is not.
@Fact: Islam is wrong About "Old Bulgarian".
@Fact: Islam is wrong It's false.
@Fact: Islam is wrong
---based primarily on the dialect of the 9th-century Byzantine Slavs living in the Province of Thessalonica (in present-day Greece).
---first Slavic literary language
---literary, not vernacular
Serbian used to be some kind of Russo-Bulgarian-sounding language. It went extinct in the 19th century and was replaced by Bosnian, because most Serbs migrated into the Bosnian Eyalet which covered Bosnia, Herzegovina, parts of Montenegro, Slavonia and Dalmatia, and the lingua franca there was Bosnian. Vuk Karadzic and Ilija Garasanin are responsible for pushing for the abandonment of Serbian and the replacement. The Serbian Orthodox church was vehemently against their reforms, and the Serbian government was too up until about 4 years after Vuk's death.
Whereas the Dalmatians spoke Chakavian, and the Croats spoke Kajkavian (which is related to Slovenian). In the 12th-16th century Chakavian was being actively promoted by Croat and Dalmatian writers as the language they should all speak. Then starting in the 16th century, Dalmatian writers would start to promote Shtokavian, which Dubrovnik's literati had chosen to adopt hundreds of years earlier from Bosnia in an attempt to save their language from Latinization. Migration of Bosnian Catholics into Slavonia and Bosniaks into areas like Lika, helped popularize Shtokavian and make it administrative in those areas under Bosnian pashas. Serb serfs would be brought to those areas to cultivate the land to feed the Ottoman armies, and would adopt Shtokavian there.
Later Ljudevit Gaj would push for the use of Bosnian (Shtokavian & Shchakavian) like Vuk Karadzic did, and that's when for example areas like Zagreb replaced Kajkavian with Shtokavian completely.
And this is why they all sound similar today. But if you read the documents from the 12th-13th century of all 3 countries, they sound very different.
Damn, I thought you won’t remake the video, so I didn’t make my remarks to the past. This time I will write. I read a lot of scientific articles on this topic and systematized knowledge. I hope my remarks come in handy.
Sorry for my English, I used Google translate a lot.
Southern Slavs:
Not sure if the Bulgarians have been the main population of Dobrudja all this time. As far as I know, from the time of the high or late Middle Ages and in the New Time, the main population there were "Tatars", whose descendants are the Gagauz in Moldova. They are Orthodox, and apparently, the Bulgarian language was used there, but was not the main one.
Kosovo was almost completely homogeneous Slavic long before the late Middle Ages.
Also, I think, it is worth distinguish at least the Kaykavian dialect, as quite special.
Changing the language in southeastern Serbia from "Serbo-Croatian" to "Bulgarian" in the middle of the 14th century is not entirely correct. In fact, they speak the Torlak dialect, which with equal success can be called both a dialect of Serbo-Croatian and Bulgarian.
Also, the Slavs were not the main population of the northern Vojvodina from about the 11th to the 15th century. But these territories and a significant part of southern Hungary began to inhabit (up to Budapest, a significant part of the territories of modern Hungary in the 16-17th centuries had a Slavic majority, and all of modern Vojvodina was completely Slavic) and northwestern Romania (Timisoara), the whole Bachka and a large part of the Banat from the 16th century to the 18-19th, when part of these territories became Hungarian and Romanian.
Western Slavs.
Polish was not used throughout East Prussia, only in its southern part. Also, there was no Polish presence in most of Pomerania since the high Middle Ages, except for its extreme east, where the Kashubian language was. Central and Western Pomerania were completely German-speaking. Also completely Germanic was most of Silesia south of the Oder. Slavic enclaves persisted only north of the Oder in Silesia.
Luzhitian language, on the contrary, was more widespread until the 19th century than in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
East Slavs. The most problematic area.
The Eastern Slavs retained their significant presence in modern eastern Poland (Podlasie, etc.) after the 16th century and were significant minorities until the 19th and 20th centuries.
The East Slavic language remained very significant throughout Moldova even after the Mongol invasion.
Russian and Ruthenian are historiographic names for slightly different written norms of the same language. This is not a spoken language and it is not a genetic division of the East Slavic language. The neighboring dialects in the shown “Russian” and “Ruthenian” zones were either very close, or it was generally one dialect, it was a single dialect continuum. Therefore, it is also wrong to show the change of language from Ruthenian to Russian, since the spoken dialect did not change.
The dialect/language difference was different. From ancient times, there was a special Novgorod (Novgorod-Pskov) dialect inside the East Slavic language, while dialects of other regions were almost the same, but other dialects began to appear by the time of the collapse of Rus. Then, inside the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Russian Tsardom, these dialects began to mix and form new dialects. The Novgorod language was mixed with the dialect of the Moscow principality and some other Central Russian principalities, and the northern and central Russian dialect zones appeared. Dialects of the Ryazan principality, Smolensk and Severia, which formed the southern Russian dialect zone, closely connected with Belarusian dialects. Belorussian dialects were closely associated with Ukrainian dialects in the region of West Polessye.
There was no change of language from Ukrainian to Russian in the Starodub district, only politics changed, the UPR claimed to these territories, but this did not change the language and self-identity of the local population. The Starodub dialect is not considered Ukrainian. There was also no change of language in most of the Belgorod region, in its main part there were definitely Russian dialects (Russian and Ukrainian dialects were indistinguishable from each other in the region of eastern Polessie, where they were originally adjacent, but in more southern territories of Wild Fields where the Eastern Slavs appeared in large numbers later and which populated from different sides the linguistic border between Russian and Ukrainian dialects was more tangible).
But there was a large Ukrainian linguistic enclave in the south of the Voronezh oblast, north of the modern Lugansk region.
Central Ingermanland (Izhora Upland) was Slavic from 12-13th (judging by archeology) to 17th centuries.
Also Ingermanlandia did not become completely Slavic in the 18th century. On the southern coast of the Gulf of Finland, west of St. Petersburg, there remained a rather significant Izhora and Votic population (these peoples exist today but are on the verge of extinction)
To the north of St. Petersburg also remained the Finnish population until the Winter War.
There is also a small area of Vepsian language southwest of Lake Onega (South to Petrozavodsk, north to Tikhvin). This territory was not homogeneously Slavic-language.
Just like South Karelia east of Lake Ladoga (Olonets and west of Petrozavodsk), where the Karelian language still remains.
In contrast, in north-eastern modern Karelia, on the White Sea coast (coastal strip of East Karelia and the southern Murmansk Region), the Russian language (more precisely, its Pomorje dialect) has been the main language since the Middle Ages.
Also, Vyatka is not shown, where the Slavic population was also the main one from at least the 13th to 14th centuries, but, most likely, judging by the toponymy, it was there before.
On the contrary, Mordovia is shown as a entirely russian-language territory from the 16th century, despite the fact that the Mordovian language still exists there (Republic of Mordovia and the southern regions of Nizhny Novgorod oblast)
Thank you for your comment. Feedback is very important for me to improve the videos. Some brief notes: Torlakian is considered a dialect of south Slav, developped in the zone that the Bulgarian language meet the Serbian. I note these regions with Green with orange stripes or orange with green stripes. The Gagauz people lived mainly in southern Moldova and the region of Budjak of Ukraine, not in Dobruja. Slav population remained In Banat and Backa (less in Baranja) during the Hungarian Kingdom. They increased slightly after 17th century. They seem in the ethnic maps of Austria-Hungary in these regions. Russian and Ruthenian emerged as different languages during the Polish period of the South-West Rus. The differences were apparent after 19th century but the process had begun some centuries before. Thank you again for the comment
@@CostasMelas As inconvenient as it is, maybe it could be possible to upload new videos with *amendment 1, 2, 3 etc* in the title so that you can continuiously improve the quality of your videos. As someone who works a lot with making historical ethnic maps in my own time, I understand how getting a perfect picture in one video at one period of time can be extremely difficult. Thanks for your work and good luck with future work.
@@CostasMelas You did a great job. I agree with your amendments for the most part, but Ruthenian is considered a сancelar language. This is not a genetic entity, it is only a name for the written language, the continuation of the written Old East Slavic language in the GDL. Therefore, the change of Ruthenian language to Russian does not correspond to reality. For example, during the capture of Smolensk by the Russian Realm, the written language changes slightly (since in the 15-16th century the language of written monuments in Moscow and in the GDL actually does not differ), but the spoken dialect does not change. It was the Smolensk dialect (the Western dialect of the South Russian dialect zone in the modern classification), and it remained.
@@CostasMelas Also, Evidence of the appearance of the Gagauz in Budjak dates back only to the 19th century, when Russia announced the numerous migrants from Bulgaria to Budjak.
At the same time, until this moment, in Dobrudja since the Middle Ages, the Christian "Tatar" population was recorded. It can be no one but the ancestors of the Gagauz. Moreover, given the fact that the Turkic minorities (except for the Turks themselves) of Bulgaria, but converted to Islam, continue to be called Gagauz.
@@CostasMelas Ukrainian Cossacks never contacted to moscovian ambassadors without translators. Ruthenian language was enough to different from Russian language in 15-16 centuries already.
As a slav, i approve
Cool
Thank you
Before WWII: strong German speaking minority in Czech lands and Poland
Hitler: I don't like it, I want more
After WWII: No german speaking minority in Czechoslovakia and Poland
Hitler: fuck
I know that is only a joke, but Germans are actually the biggest minority in Poland (around 150.000 people) mainly in the Opole region. Their biggest political party (Mniejszość Niemiecka) has even a seat in the Polish parlament.
Silná německá minorita v předválečném Polsku? Asi se musím dovzdelat nebo vám uteklo, že v případě Polska se tak trochu posunuly hranice.
@@user-xz4ck8zs2u the biggest minority is Ukrainians now with over 3 million
Don't look at comments. You were warned.
Bulgarian is spoken since 600s at least. Also it was spoken Vlahia and Moldova at least unitl 1800.
Надо было показать с разделения балтослаянских языков
Ну тогда уж Славяно-балто-германской общности.
Rip all the Baltic tribes that got eliminated by the Slavic migrations
They just moved to today's baltics. They were eliminated.
@@juniorcrusher2245 Balts were just assimilated.