Chinese vs Taiwanese Tanks
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2022
- With the tensions between Taiwan and China heating up, more and more people are wondering if Taiwan could defend against China, that is, are its defensive capabilities good enough. Today I will try to answer a part of that question, and that would be about tanks.
Taiwan currently operates with M60A3 TTS and CM-11 tanks, while China operates with a lot more variants. ZTZ-96, ZTZ-96A, ZTZ-99, ZTZ-99A and so on.
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A 105mm is still useful against any thing that isn't a MBT
Any gun that can damage external components of a tank is useful
@@sandersenjavin2723 let's not forget 105 cannister rounds for infantry.
M900 could still stand a chance against MBTs at closer ranges, unfortunately only the CM11/12 can use it as Taiwan's M60s have even worse guns, and that's even to say if Taiwan has that round at all
@@thomasmacdonough288 yeah the m900 could still pen the frontal armor of the ztz99
@@cristobalalvarez5491 M900 penning frontal of ZTZ99? No it can't.
You did Russian vs Ukrainian tanks last time and a war happened, are you trying to start another one?
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lmao I was thinking the same
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@Coping with BPD, with Sash obviously he had to intervene he spent all those rubles for nothing?
He wants to know how good the tanks are in live combat, duh.
It’s sort of funny how both sides essentially use the same gun, except for China it’s on light tanks and for Taiwan it’s for its medium/main battle tanks. ZTQ-15 reminds me heavily of the old Type 62 being just essentially a scaled down MBT which I’d argue is the best route to go when making a light tank instead of the time consuming attempts we’ve made making something original and ultimately not even that good since it takes us a few decades.
Can come in handy for things like firearms as you can use the same ammunition like nato.
Not sure if you can do the same with these tanks
ehhh considering how capable the light tanks we're they were canceled more for budget and politic concerns in fufilling other contracts Im gonna say no.
Just slmost like Ukraine and Russia
Chinese using the same gun in their tanks for a reason: They can use captured Taiwanese ammo
I don't think there's much question that China has an armored superiority. The question is more about amphibious landing craft than tanks. The landing craft needs to get there before Chinese armor can have any effect. So how many landing craft does China have available, how many tanks can they carry, what kind of tanks can they carry, and what kind of defenses would they face before reaching the beach is the real question?
Taiwanese tanks are mostly outdated designs though they still can be effective on the first hours of the invasion: using its firepower to wreck havoc on landing crafts and infantries when they reach the shores. After that, if they failed to close the beachhead, if PLA is able to land their heavy armor assets, well, pray...
Ye but you forgot the Chinese have the air superiority here, so there are small chances they can even do that. Probably drones would support the landing crafts along side artillery, whilst the jets secure the air. Thats common practice by now
Whole Taiwanese defence strategy is based on not letting Chinese ground troops reach and land on their main island, its ether pushing them back from the sea to main land or buying enough time for USA to reposition and support them on land, if the let Chinese troops land on Taiwan its GG and they know that very well
@@jPlanerv2 USA aint gonna support shit... only in giving them weapons... just like in Ukraine
They can be useful as a cannon fodder
A Chinese invasion would be noticed weeks, possibly months before it happens.
Taiwanese tanks would probably still see use in case of invasion, but they'd probably be relegated to infantry support and engaging landing craft in the first hours of the invasion
They would just be large, thin shelled targets for drones. It's China they're up against, not Russia. Anything not fully concealed will be taken out in the opening volley. Concealment in this case doesn't mean branches and leaves, it means infantry with antitank missiles hiding inside people's houses, out of sight, and ideally in Genoa-convention-defying civilian clothing just in case they send short range DFI drones that moves like hummingbirds into open windows.
Yeah, the first 3000 hours of it at least.
@@georgedang449 That is interesting, as China has a reputation for falling into every trap Russian military does and when they fall they fall deeper and worse. So saying "Its China they're up against, not Russia" is not the point you are making is it.
@@jumpferjoy1st and what example do you have? china has literally never fought like the russians. they cant even if they wanted to. china dopted and later on modified soviet equipment sure, but soviet union/russia was a industrial power and could send in men by the millions and tanks by the tens of thousands and always had a meaningful airforce even if it wasnt at the forefront like the us. china up until very recently could not match that level of equipment. in fact china has its entire own military doctrine, mao called it the people's war, its widely studied to this day, and its practically a handbook for any insurgent to be, especially for its lessons on fight a far superior enemy.
more recently china has also taken lessons from the us, especially after the gulf war and have moved full steam into the information age. in this aspect china is a far more formidable challenge than the russians, with the us military actively thinking about what happens and how to fight if they have to commit electromagnetic MAD, because they cant gain an advantage over china in this domain thus its better to shut it down for everyone instead. the us military literally has never considered anyone to be so threatening in this regard before.
oh also right now china is the biggest industrial nation on earth by far, they could throw tanks at you until they win, on a scale not even the soviets can match.
@@mxn1948 Indeed. The whole reason Russia took so much causalities in Ukraine is due to their shortage of drones and precision guided munition, neither of which China lack. In fact, it's been their focus. Russia opted to spend their limited funding on top end unconventional projects like hypersonic missiles, nuclear torpedoes, etc, and neglected to modernize their conventional forces. For example, Russian artillery crew have to calculate coordinate manually, while Chinese artillery is networked to be fed data directly from recon drones, acquire target automatically, adjust in real time without human input after every shot. They're fully in the information age. It's not strategic deterrence like with Russia, this is normal, mass produced gear for the Chinese. The kind of stuff that their soldiers in the field will actually use, and we'll be facing if we fight them.
I'm pretty sure this war will be about ships vs anti-ship missiles and aviation vs AA defense. And not about tanks.
100% correct. I suspect China will face its heaviest losses at sea before it even gets boots on the ground.
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@@haikaloronsentnel138 1) Russian missiles as an average fail to work properly in 60% of cases. Land in a different spot, detonate early, not launch, etc, etc. Satan 2 ICBM has a 90% failure rate.
2) Chinese equipment has a worse record than Russian. In some cases Chinese equipment has an accepted failure rate of 90%.
3) In the "Free World" they value their military personnel and equipment amd a failire rate above 10% is deemed unacceptable.
So for China to hit with 90 missiles, it needs to fire at least 900. Taiwan, to hit with 90 needs to fire at most 100. So quantity in modern warfare is useless and meaningless, but China has not learnt that.
Good luck with that one.
Ikr the AA is gonna matter so much in land battles and the ships have recently been fitted to float on land.
That's where Taiwan has invested and the US has sold weapons. Lots of anti-ship and air defense weaponry. You won't need to fight on land if they can't get to it!
A new RedEffect video makes the day a little better.
I like that he gives information in a neutral perspective and not one clowded by his opinion, if he has one.
I wonder how well Raytheon’s M60A3 Service Life Extension Program(basically an upgrade for the M60A3 to make it “fit for the 21st century battlefield”) will help with slightly evening the odds for Taiwan in Armored Warfare specially against Chinese MBTs, specially considering some interesting notes on Raytheon’s upgrade package, it being a new 950HP engine, electric turret traverse drive, upgraded fire control systems, add on armor packages, and finally, a 120mm smoothbore gun.
that is some crazy firepower for an m60
@@lizcarlsonjones607 basically an upgrade to a baby Abrams
That still makes it inferior to not only the Type-99 mbts, but also Type-96 light tanks. It would be better than the really light Chinese air drop tanks, but I don't see them actually dropping tanks in an invasion. They can easily ship the heavy 1500 hp Type-99s by sea. With the amount of missile and air cover, they'd pretty much own the Taiwan strait. Our carrier F-18s only have 760 km combat radius, and that's with light air to air loadout only. We can't make it anywhere close to the Taiwan island without putting carriers deep with range of Chinese hypersonic antiship missiles. The bottom line is better tanks would do nothing, they'll just get bombed anyway. Taiwan, as a whole, stand no chance.
@@georgedang449 You’re right, but in my opinion it still should be considered, even if the M60A3 is still inferior to Chinese MBTs. having up to date standard for firepower and FCS is still a better than the current one Taiwan utilizes, the upgrade includes a Curtiss Wright FCS used by a lot of modern tanks and the 120mm smoothbore gun that is used by most modern MBTs, a cannon I might add that is capable of defeating most modern armor(A big leap from the outdated 105mm cannon Taiwanese M60s use). Plus Studying modern doctrine for tank combat, it’s basically who gets spotted first and who is hit and penetrated first usually ends up being the defeated one, so hypothetically if utilized properly in a defensive and strategic manner, taking advantage of ambushes and superior defensive positions, it can do some damage to Chinese MBTs. We can denote examples of something like this from something like the Battle of Gollan Heights, nicknamed Valley of Tears, where an outnumbered and outclassed Israeli Armored brigade held off an invasion.
Not much - we are essentially starting with T-62 type tank - there is no realistic path forward other then replacing the whole tank. Sure adding new gun, engine, new optics and sensors would help BUT it is now just a bit more expensive (tiny bit) to get a brand new tank that would be much more superior.
Realistically an excellent choice for Taiwan would be T-90MS. But its not like Russia would sell these. Why? It is still fairly light, quite modern and more then a match for anything China has. For Taiwan purposes far superior to any version of M1.
In the nutshell : Both sides uses British L7 105mm rifled gun, combined with the gun lauched laser guided ATGM, latest gen APFSDS and the cheap but still potent HESH rounds the L7 can be still very deadly in modern combat . Even the planned M60A3TTS and CM11 upgraded will retain the venerable British gun. Furthermore, both sides can share ammo with each other.
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I would imagine that the Taiwanese tanks would have the added benefit of being in prepared defensive positions as well.
In come the ballistic missiles and airstrikes.
@@mirror452 alot of those positions will be harded significantly. The missiles won't be effective towards anything other than softer targets or highly mobile units.
@@josephcraig2702 Yep, also not to mention that Taiwan has a somewhat modern air defense network.
@@kairosik they do but I don't think it will last long. I think it will come down to can the Chinese make it across the straight without losing too many troops and assets or can they fight in the mountains and urban centers.
@@kairosik they only have 6 patriot systems and given the size of the island and mountains it would be very easy to find and destroy, manpads would be much more dangerous
As a Taiwanese, people outside of Taiwan are vastly overestimating the training, budget, and overall capabilities of the ROCA
You can make up for the short fall by crying really hard on western social media
@@marlarki5280 ???
no we are not lmao taiwan would get clobbered by China in a month or less if the west wasnt so keen on having an Island close to China
@@vashbain3136 ?
@@SahiPie whats confusing you?
身為台灣人的我要出來澄清一下就是國軍的坦克並不是沒想過替換，而是經費問題跟戰略目不符合才沒有那麼快更換
M60A3TTS 和勇虎會繼續升級使用，不過M41D和CM12會由M1A2T取代。
@@ReviveHF M60A3TTS CM11我覺得如果最終會是用M1A2替代，那先租或買美海陸退下來的M1A1過度用順便訓練以填補空白期
M41D完全由雲豹替代就好了，CM12已經確定由M1A2SEP V3替代了
@WAFFLE123 我只承認中華民國在台灣，台獨不是不可以，就是雞掰洨粉紅會在那裡汪汪汪
引戰工作開工了啊？工作很賣力喔～加油捏
@@activepro5758 本人覺得是不會，因為美海陸的M1A1會直接賣給波蘭等東歐國家，然後經費都給了海軍去研發新式艦艇和空軍去研發IDF2.0，然後陸軍就繼續全面改良M60A3TTS和勇虎（因為經費原因火砲仍然保留105mm）。
我覺得跟政治也有關係，有時候也不是說不買，而是我們老大哥美國賣不賣，順帶一提:M60A3如果升級成土耳其那樣子該有多好
Awesome video! Great work as always!
The Taiwanese tanks would most likely be used as static gun positions like what the Japanese did at Iwo Jima, there are lots of tunnel complexes and bunkers dug around potential landing sites in taiwan.
The Armenia and Azerbaijan conflict has sealed the fate of such dug-in warfare. UAV and smart ammo could kill any gun position or bunker before you know what's coming. And guess which country has the most UAV?
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Will... yes, but no... Those tunnels most likely were neither abandoned nor in service ability yet.
Sitting ducks, useless
the Japanese still eventually lost to the Americans
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It’s like comparing a musket with AK-47…
Eh, more like a double barrel 12ga vs. AK-47 with Taiwan being static and able to entrench and China being limited on landing points
One of the best RUclipsrs (if not the best) who gives a straight answer with alot of arguments
I think the Taiwanese would mainly use their armour in a static defence roll and properly employed this will negate any disadvantage.
I think it is in the Republic of China‘s best interests to find out how the Donbass republics utilise the T 62 as They have only lost one of them to the best of my knowledge
China's attack helo's and fast movers would have a field day with their static tanks, assuming the Taiwanese lack effective anti-air capability.
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@@jasonforester7292 honestly helicopters in a mountainous short sightline landscape? that's suicide
@@V-V1875-h Our Apache's operate in terrain like that all the time. What do you think they were doing in the mountains of Afghanistan?
THNK YOU for another fantastic video.
Taiwanese tanks would likely be used in a mostly ambush role given the extremely tight, built up cityscape. So potentially a decent amount of opportunities for side hits where the 105mm should be able to get through even modern Chinese tanks
But I'd say chinese won't be fool enough to use tanks against tanks since china is arguably the largest drone operator and producer now, M60 without proper ir concealment would simply be an easy prey for drones and attack helis
@@mycrofthurray9920 It would be pretty difficult for attack helicopters to fire their missiles into Taiwanese tanks especially since theyd mostly be hiding inbetween buildings, skyscrapers no less. I agree on the drones being useful, but then again, theyd be mostly limited to reconnaissance. Since it is a heavily urbanised area, maybe China would focus on specialised "hunter-killer anti-tank infantry" who's main purpose would be scouting out tanks with drones and destroying them with missiles.
@@elongated_musket6353 Afaik one of the main focus of pla light/parachute troops are drone+guided 120mm mortar+hj10 tv atgm, while the latter might better fit open area anti tank, I would say laser guided 120mm mortar is truly a good idea and could be a huge threat for tanks in urban area.
@@mycrofthurray9920 Agreed. That's a very interesting point, I forgot about mortars.
@@elongated_musket6353 I heard that China has tons of stockpiled 57mm and 81mm mortar bombs. The old 57mm and 81mm mortars have been gradually replaced by newer 120mm mortars, but the Chinese have found new ways to use those stockpiled bombs. They now have drones that can drop those 57mm and 81mm bombs onto target from an altitude of several hundred meters or higher. Not sure if that's gonna be effective in an urban setting, but it's definitely scary to see hundreds of mortar bomb dropping drones on the battlefield.
It will never be just be Chinese tanks vs. Taiwanese tanks...some of the key players in an amphibious assault not mentioned here: hundreds of WZ-10, WZ-19 attack helicoptors, hundreds of drones armed with HJ-12 anti tank missiles, AFT-10 anti-tank missile carriers based on type 08 and ZBD-04 Infantry fighting vehicles, literally thousands of modern long range self propelled artillery and MRLS launching from across the strait or on ships. Once air superiority is achieved the main threat to Taiwanese tanks are Chinese helicopters and lots of rocket artillery and long range anti-tank platforms armed with modern top attack HJ-12s. Even old crew served HJ-8 are deadly to older Taiwanese tanks as proven in the exported models used in recent middle eastern conflicts.
Helicopters ARE NOT used in the way you think they are. The US figured this out in the Gulf War.
Helicopters are very vulnerable even to 7.62mm rifle fire.
The US tested Cold-War Helicopter Doctrine of sending AH-64 Squadrons on Deep-Strike Anti-Armour missions by themselves and they don't work.
China would have learned this as well and their helicopters would only be with or behind their infantry lines.
It's good you know all of that. Most people think it's gonna be a primitive WW2 style war. Today you don't even have to move you ass,China has their own version of Kinzal and Iskander missiles plus the one they buy from Russia every year. But this tensions with Taiwan are caused by the United States,they betrayed the contract they made in the 50s to consider Taiwan Chinese territory. US credibility today is at all time low,thank God,trust the US and get stabbed in the back has been their modus operandi for too long
The point of the video was to compare the effectiveness of Taiwanese tanks against Chinese tanks. He admitted in the video that it goes far beyond that and there are other factors to take into consideration, but he mentioned that the video would have been more than 2 hours long. Therefore, he kept it simple.
You are forgetting one thing and thats taiwans heavy artillery that's capable of flattening a few Chinese coastal cities and is the same conundrum that North Korea has Seoul in.
@@trickyfoxx6941 lol if they did that china will level many Taiwanese cities and commit war crime level bombardment of all civilian centers. Same thing if Taiwan tries launching cruise missiles like Three Gorges Dam. That would be considered terrorism because millions could potentially die. The moment they something like that, they'd lose global support and change what mainland can consider targets. They can do a number of things in a limited non-nuclear MAD scenarios but they won't because of the possible recurssions
Biggest problem for Taiwan’s tanks is China has their own top attack missiles like HJ-12 and these are likely to be available in much greater numbers than Javelins that can be supplied to Taiwan.
you don't need top attack missiles to destroy either Chinese or Taiwanese tanks. Taiwanese terrane is bad tanks country. And even modern RPGs like AT-4 can penetrate these lightly armored Chinese and Taiwanese tanks.
@nig a On the contrary, all they need to do is land infantry with anti tank missiles and micro drones and loitering munitions. Very few tanks are needed.
Chinas ATGM, its not like british nlaw thats only good for tanks.
Its literally a 1to1 carbon copy of USA Javelins ability. able to take out Helicopters as well.
and like the Javelin is immune to even the most anti-missile counter measure like the Trophy. Because of the angle and sheer Speed of the missile.
@@eastsouth9548 **cough cough** _smoke countermeasures_
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Obsolete MBTs versus mordern amphibious light tanks, basically
Hey red effect, T-72B3 got a new thermal imager for the gunner
Taiwan would be much better served with having Boxer IFVs with the Puma turret instead of tanks, cause first hit matters and German tech hits first. Otherwise they should put their money in reinfocing their terrain and go for full rocket and drone power.
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I am an American. The Abrams tanks Taiwan is using for training is for the future. The U.S. is selling them Abrams tanks. The variant they are getting is the M1A2T, which is just an M1A2C with cheaper supplements. An example being the deplete uranium armor has been replaced with FMS armor.
Abrams are useless for Taiwan - way too heavy for the terrain there. Same reason why Japanese tanks are built way lighter then Abrams or Leopards.
Hello man, nice video!
Chinese FY-4 ERA is roughly equivalent to Russian Relik performance, according to NORINCO's own advertisement.
Tanks are going to play a minor role in any invasion of Taiwan.
Having armor support is great but with the terrain and the chaos it's going to be a javelin & Nlaw playground.
Javelin is also useless. Its famous vertical attack is for open terrains not mountains and jungles. Tank shells are the ultimate weapon in these enviromnets but the lack of mobility is the issue so most part would have to do with infantry and air support
The Chinese tanks will play little role. The defending Taiwanese M60A3 TTS will be quite effective in conducting counterattacks again PLA beachheads and picking off Chinese landing vehicles close in to shore.
Edit: the M60A3 also performs quite well in mountains which is why Turkey has yet to liquidate theirs.
@@josephahner3031 havent u heard M60A3 its the least mobile and the heaviest of all? How is it even a good option for mountains
@@josephahner3031 Yes because tank is definitely going to win against warship
@@pooyasafaei2538 nope that’s were your wrong it’s been proven that in jungles it can cause more chaos due to the lack of visibility against the enemy
You should make a video about the Rooikat, Rooikat Recon and Rooikat 105 variants wheeled tanks.
They look great on paper and perform awesome in games and are cheap, but I guess there is a reason only South Africa uses them and noone ever ordered the 105 variant.
They are seemingly the only in service tank that majorly differ from the tried and tested tank variants.
that era looks like a jigsaw puzzle with all those unique pieces. doesnt seem very efficient not making them all the same size but thats just my opinion 5:23
Why did you compare two chinese tanks
Tanks are pretty low on the priority of ROCA, which is itself behind air and naval branches of ROCAF
So the M60A3 TTS has bad armor, bad mobility, a 105mm gun, but somewhat great accuracy because of the thermal imaging fire control system, however, it’s pretty old, same thing with cm-11 Aka M48H it has bad armor, bad mobility, a 105 mm gun, but again decent accuracy because it has the fire control system used by the m1 Abrams, however, it’s also old. That leaves the cm-12 which I don’t know much about
Hey man really enjoy your videos but I really gotta complain on the outro music its too loud compared to the rest of the video
Would be appreciated if changed but I still love your videos keep doing what you’re doing!
Im wondering how well the stabilizer working on amphibious vehicle?
I think mobility would be key. They have to get from one side of the island to the other very quickly. If that's the case, I would think a wheeled vehicle and mobile anti tank units would be more effective than a tank squad
True I think ATGM and arty will be better than tanks
It won't be that easy, the road connecting from one side to the other are mostly mountain roads with tunnels / highways
also all Taiwan's main road are surrounded by Cities and towns
(and because we got a lot of Typhoons and earthquakes, even town buildings are built with concrete)
If we decided to fight and move into defensive positions, rushing those light tanks through will be a bad idea
China will always need to use a lot of Air, long range fire support to bomb through all these.
Luckily Taiwan is already developing a wheeled vehicle with a 100 turret.
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They are supposed to get battalion worth of M1A2. But there has been delay in shipment. I didn't even know 2 were already delivered.
Sadly United States of America dint sell Abraham's now because it ended their production year as it today,But hopefully they may get some mbt's to Europe like Germany,Uk,or in France,depends on its taiwanese governments to make it's move to replace their m60's
Did you not see the upgrade program about the Raytheon upgraded variations for there M60 tanks?
Speaking of mountainous terrain, what tank is best suitedmin terms of gun elevation and depression?
I feel some people in the comments section are making some pretty false assumptions about what would happen if the PLA landed on Taiwan. There would be very little tank vs tank action if this happened. Chances are much higher that Taiwan would engage Chinese tanks using their islands rough terrain to their advantage, using infantry or IFVs equipped with AT missiles to attack Chinese armoured formations. Of course just like what happened to Russia in Ukraine, chances are that China would not even be able to gain total air superiority thanks to Taiwans large supply of AA missiles (among other AA guns) and reasonably strong Air force
Taiwan isn't a good place for tank VS tank. It's either urban, mountains, or swamp rice fields.
Edit: although tanks can be extremely useful for counter attacks
what your source on Taiwan's large supply of AA missiles. The rumor's are Taiwan lacks equipment to proporly arm its militia.
@@optionsss militias typically don't operate heavy AA assets.
Let's not forget Taiwan's military has access to some very large guns, and a lot of them. Their biggest is the 240mm M1 Howitzer, and have dozens of them that would prove very valuable to their defense if an invasion were to take place. Even if these were destroyed, they could still utilize their vast stockpile of towed and self propelled artillery ranging from 105-203mm which can absolutely help stall a PLA assault.
I feel like you're also making pretty false assumptions here. I could bet a couple hundred dollars you have no real knowledge about Taiwan or China's militaries.
Reading an analysis in English from a westerner explaining Taiwan or China's military is not a trustworthy source. We've seen this over and over again in Ukraine ("military expert says Russia will run out of ammunition in 2 weeks" - western military experts, 4 months ago)
The only thing we can safely assume is "China big, Taiwan small, so China bests Taiwan". Other than that, were all speculating and discussing for the sake of discussion... We shouldn't be wrist slapping people for giving their views on stuff no one knows sh about.
Interesting you giving the complete numbers of Chinese fighting vehicles. One more than minor issue is that they have no way of getting all of them to theatre in one go. I have seen reports suggesting that China at best can field 250 tanks in one go in association with other fighting assets. Plus with Taiwan defending VERY defendable terrain, the odds are actually stacked against the Chinese. So you can see, you cannot do things based purely on numbers of tanks as there is no land bridge.
Also, if China would attack mostly with light amphibious fighting vehicles, better than the M60 would be IFVs armed with quick firing 30mm. Those would rip through all those Chinese vehicles and be more mobile and easier to hide.
Its not really about winning for Taiwan, its all about delaying long enough for allied reinforcements to arrive and support.
@@jayb1247 And China can interdict this reinforcement. Taiwan is an Island which make it hard for enemy to attack. But its also hard for the allies to reinforce it. US military reinforcement will be considered a declaration of war against China and it'll become WW3. So US most likely will not involve directly. They just resupply arms and munitions and maybe indirect support like satellite and AWACS surveillance and sharing intel in support of Taiwan.
If Taiwan is attacked, unless the US does not care about the repercussions then a Taiwanese invasion is basically a declaration of WW3. The strategic importance of Taiwan in both military and economic fronts cannot be overstated, there's a reason why the Quad is being created. Although with current US leadership I believe another Afghanistan will still be plausible.
@@jayb1247 they better bring a lot of riot shields and tear gas.
before china brings in civilian militia and just starts occupying the island.
whats america gonna do when china start shipping in millions of chinese civilians.
to them its not a war on another country. this is a war in their country.
This will not be unlike any war America has encountered.
Once China has a beach head. They will pour in like a tidal wave, with or without weapons.
@Работаем, брат! that's what I thought about Ukraine. 5 months later, they still have an air force and very effective air defence.
And Taiwan is much, much more well prepared and equipped than Ukraine.....
The type 15 tank can also fire ATGM so it has more kill option then the ZTD-05 light tank. The ZTD-05 would be the first tanks to secure a beachhead and more heavy tanks like type 96 and type 99 would follow to fight against the ROC M48 and M60 tanks.
Don't forget there's a Raytheon and Leonardo package upgrade for it and both seem to be really good ones too
It's worth noting that ZTZ-96A was seen being loaded on amphibious assault ships
and the worlds greatest investor nancy pelosi was spotted checking on her investments in taiwan too
ZTZ 96A would only be landed when a beachhead was secured. Too heavy to be used in amphibious assault and not amphibious. Also the terrain means there is no point landing ZTZ 96A as it would not work properly in the Taiwanese terrain.
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@@RUclipsuser-yd6ze how do you figure it's lighter and physically smaller than Taiwanese M60A3 and CM11
Imagine trying to understand which real "China" here
Its not hard to understand. They both are.
@@obsidianjane4413 no shit sherlock
smaller one used to have China and still called China, bigger one have China and also called China
台湾地是中国的，人一部分是中国过去的一部分是日本人和当地人杂交的
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Unless M60 and CM11 received the total upgrade package from Israel, Turkey and even ltaly.. (engine to 950hp, 120mm gun, improved FCS, overall armour protection, upgraded suspension and internal turret protection).
Still able to be on par.. which is with the upgrades.
Their fire control is already upgraded to that of the orginal M1. Armor upgrade was concluded to be not worth it. Just have to wait until the M1A2 get delivered.
That is honestly what they should do, given the dubious value of their tank fleet in any likely scenario. But there are political externalities to the decision, such as "paying back" the US and its MIC for supporting Taiwan diplomatically and financially.
Armor upgrade would be worthless no amount of armor bolted onto those outdated tanks would protect against modern munitions
They should replace those tanks, the turret of the cm-11 comes from a tank that was built in the immediate post-war period. The M60 is far from modern either. There is a point where the input of modernization becomes too much in comparison to the returns.
Replacement also has the great advantage of letting a foreign nation shoulder the cost of R&D and making upgrade packages cheaper.
I'm sure Israel would love to upgrade them, but I am unsure if Taiwan could afford it, or even if it would be viable since it seems they don't even have the parts to keep their current tanks active. May as well just keep investing in the Abrams at this point, atleast they'll be fresh for a few years
Remember that China has to get the tanks on the beach first off. With all of the mountians the Tiwan Tanks could use Shoot and Scoot, and maybe even the playing field. However Light Anti Tank Weapons would play hell on the Chinese tanks from the beach into the mountians. Now something not talked about is defensive planning, you can actually funnel the Chinese down to narrow kill zones. Right now China appears to feel large number of men and equipment will win the day. Now we see that isn't true in Ukraine with Russia acting the same.
Ukrainian troops are much more, so why Russia?
However, this is entirely different from Russia vs Ukraine. The invasion prep will be different, the actual transit of invasion is different, and probably most importantly, the amount of land and strategic targets for China are different. I find it likely that spec ops units from China will be deployed first deeper into Taiwanese land to scope out the area. This will likely locate possible chokepoints the Taiwanese defenders could capitalize on and likely the PLARF would in advance level the area. Kill zones can only be accomplished by concentrating manpower and weapons into that area which would be easy targets for the PLAAF and PLARF. Taiwan is in a bad situation no matter what.
The biggest problem is, entire Taiwan is within the Chinese kill zone, so to speak.
@@ericchang7326 Yes, that is true, but you have to grasp that not all the cards are on the Chinese table. Presently, the Chinese have major issues with several critical dams that if breached would have a long-term effect on the Chinese economy, infrastructure, and military operations. These dams can be breached with present Taiwan assets by various means. And that is just one of the potential clandestine counters available. Worked within the intelligence machine decades ago, and it appears that the story is still the same, we paint an adversary 10' tall and bulletproof. Simply examine the Russia/Ukraine conflict, we expected the Russians to roll over Ukraine within no more than 2 weeks, as they had massive manpower and equipment advantages, along with crack troops. Either way it goes it will be a bloodbath.
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Funny how people talk about Taiwan defending its beaches against Chinese landing force. All Taiwanese assets on the island would be bombed by rocket artillery and drone swarm before China attempts any landing. Taiwanese naval and airforce are still using equipment from 20-30 years ago.
They are even still use ww2 artillery
First thing everybody seems to forget is: in order to use tanks, China will have to cross some 150km of sea! That means they will have to use only light tanks cos they are amphibious. But, at sea they move very slow and are easy targets while their armor can't protect them. So, Taiwanese tanks in defensive positions have way better chances. In order to use MBTs, China would first have to take a deep sea port and bring them via heavy transport ships more or less uncontested. Which is by no means a guarantee.
Secondly, anti-tank weapons. As we see in Ukraine, they are advanced and would do a lot of damage. A lot of people compared Russian and Ukrainian tanks (yourself included) and said Russians would steam roll them in a heartbeat... Which never happened, due to these.
But, I am sure Chia will not invade. They will make some noise, some maneuvers... But they lack, at least for now, both capability and balls to actually do it.
That’s what they said about Russia. Look where we are now.
@@dawgwiddaglasses yeah they are loosing heavily casualties
You think an amphibious tank is going to cross 150 miles of open sea ?
@@dawgwiddaglasses this is true lol
That's ridiculous. They'll just use their numerous large amphibious carriers to send in full sized Type-99s. This is not Normandy. There will be no coastal defense left when the tanks disembark.
Taiwan could put its tanks in a hull down position to increase protection. While each sides tanks could penetrate the other Taiwan being on the defensive means they will most likely get the first shot. Also I imagine it would be difficult to aim the gun while the amphibious AFV was travelling in water.
sabot gonna go right through this thing no matter what angle you put it at
I swear to god, seeing how people here theorising ways for Taiwan to do better reminds of how Chinese military commentator theorise how Iraqi republican guards are going to kick some US butts. 'Static defensive positions' and 'hull down positions'? God help them.
OK your right keeping them mobile is better.
@@marlarki5280 Hey having a good hull down position is a big advantage ! The M60s turret is probably still too outdated to really provide any protection. But the theory stands :D
Hull down only makes target harder to hit as it shows less of the tank, protection wise it's almost non existence compared to apfsds
If the new tanks have arrived, they could use the old tank turrets as starionary bunkers
I love your videos but I have a question I met a x marine that served in the desert storm operation he said he was in an m60 tank and that his tank destroyed two t72s . Does anyone have any thoughts on this ?
Those were T-72 Urals, the oldest and worst variant. When compared to a T-72b, an M60s only chance is a side shot, it wouldn't be able to penetrate the armor frontally, especially if it had K-5 ERA.
Amphibious vehicles usually aren't amphibious for very long.
usually just for getting on the beach, but the chinese one are pretty fast compare to the others.
M1A1 still won’t be enough against 99a, but would still be major leap from M60. But overall tanks are not that important anyway. Taiwan really need triple digit F35 if it want to have any chance.
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I am curious to know how the digital camo schemes work.
The M60 may be a trash, but it is one of the most beautiful tanks.
This is the truth
Nah, the t55 looks way cooler
If I had the choice of being in a M60A3 in firing position on a beach or any Chinese landing craft or amphibious vehicle trying to do an opposed landing on said beach.. I'm going to pick the M60 ever time. Yes it's out of date but it still has a very capable gun, is easy to escape from compared to other vehicles. Taiwan's situation makes its areas of lacking not as much of an issue. To even have a chance of invading Taiwan you need complete air dominance. And even then you'll be facing a ton of NLAWs, Javelins, and TOWs even if you manage to completely suppress Taiwanese armor from the air.
Modernized M60 like the Sabra, M60-2K and Raytheon can be on par with T72-80-90 tanks.
But I would like to see a analysis of M60 Patton's deployed in Ukraine.
lol, why put in service MBT VS antique exhibits？
As long as the Taiwanese have good ammo, their M60s will preform decently against the PLA light tanks and MBTs.
The PLA tanks are updated & modernized Soviet concepts. We see whats happening to Russian T-72s in Ukraine.
Don't forget what the M60s in USMC service did to the Iraqi's in the 1991 Gulf War.
If the PLA invades, its not going to be as one sided as he's saying.
He is correct about the missiles though, and I think every other rifleman the ChiComs send will be carrying one.
^This, the PLA's only realistic hope is utilizing attack helicopters, long range missiles, and anti tank infantry.
Very objective analysis. I would expect such an analysis to be heavily biased in favor of Taiwan given the anti-China hype on RUclips, but your analysis is quite factual and objective. With that being said however, I don't think a potential war in Taiwan would involve large-scale tank battles cause the terrain is rather unfavorable to tanks even to light ones, most of the fighting would have been done in the air and on the sea. And China would probably start the war by launching thousands of unguided/guided rockets and short to medium range ballistic missiles at Taiwanese military bases, drastically reducing the number of serviceable tanks on the Taiwanese side.
Very correct. As you say any invasion of Taiwan by the PLA would most certainly be proceeded by sustained missile attacks, the destruction of all of Taiwan's airports and airfields, the complete destruction and intensive mining of Taiwan's two major deep-sea ports, a naval blockade of these ports (to the extent that could be accomplished in a hostile maritime environment owing to the possible interference of U.S. attack submarines), and relentless missile and airborne attacks on Taiwan's infratructure, including its munitions depots and military & fuel-supply infrastructure, such that most of Taiwan's tanks would quickly be destroyed or deprived of the munitions and fuel they need to operate (to the extent that Taiwan's munitions and fuel depots could not be "hardened" by locating them in caves or under deep rock-protected enclaves). Hence it is doubtful that tanks would play a major role in any fight since any PLA attack that relies too heavily on a seaborne invasion - which would be inevitably needed to get sufficient quantities tanks to the Taiwan battlefield in the first place - will always be extremely risky. What one could expect is that the PRC will simply try to "starve Taiwan into submission"... economically and militarily. If this strategy were to turn out to be successful the invasion - with the accomanying tank battalions - could proceed largely uncontested. However, let's hope it all doesn't come to that and people (including people who are tempted to follow the reckless example of Nancy Pelosi) come to their senses.
There's no clear "anti-china" nor "pro-china" bias in youtube, you just have to be in the right channels to see both. Some of those pro/anti china sentiments are also just opportunistic jabs, e.g. with Indians, if you're comparing china with the west, they would be pro-chinese, but with their own country they'd naturally start spouting anti-china stuff.
It's not anti-China... it's anti - Chinese Communist Party...I'm Chinese and hate the CCP, as does most Chinese. We just can't do anything about it as the CCP is too strong, so we just try to live the best life we can and keep our heads down. Loving China means to be against the CCP, as the CCP government hates China
Are there any differences between the cm-11 and the cm-12 I can’t put my finger on it
The CM-11 is an M-48 turret combined with an M-60 hull. The CM-12 was mounted on the M-48a1 with a 105mm gun and an m-60 locker box. And it is an upgraded version with a fire control system.
@@user-ho3dc2gw9p so the fire control of the cm-12 is better than the cm-11 even though the cm-11 has an m1 abrams fire control system. Thanks for the info though
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Wouldnt a tank like Japanese Type 10 be the best for such terrain?
Yes, or, more likely (because the Chinese and Koreans still have no great love of Japan) the K-1 or K-2. But since Uncle Sam is give them a deal they can't refuse, then its politically not in the cards.
@gerfand They do. Unfortunately, due to Japan's stringent arms export ban laws, it's unlikely we'll see Type 10 MBTs being used by the Taiwanese military in the near future.
Yes, but the type 10 is way more expensive than any other foreign counterparts. If Taiwan would order them their price would go down, but now by much. Ordering the M1 or K2 would be more economical, and that says something
@@obsidianjane4413 Does K2 have the cool Japanese Suspension thing?
@@memunist5765 well not like Japan would sell them.
I feel like 90% of the utility of the older Taiwanese tanks is to delay the enemy. It doesn't have to be "superior" to the Chinese tanks ashore, it just has to have enough firepower to destroy them. The Taiwanese will have numbers and terrain advantage, and the Chinese will be hindered by having to cross the water.
Most war games have shown that China only wins if they can suppress and control the entire island before US forces arrive, which is a few days. Pre-Ukraine, I thought modern ISR assets would make that impossible but it's proven harder to spot and destroy ground assets with air, even with modern sensors.
You'd be a fool if you think the US would actually use it's own forces to engage the Chinese. Taiwan isn't in NATO and the US really has no legal pact to defend it. Firing a shot in Chinese direction would mean a declaration of war, which would very likely turn nuclear.
What the US would probably do in this scenario is maybe try to deliver some lethal aid, but seeing as the Chinese wpuld surround the island with their navy seems also very unlikely. They'd probably just watch.
@@mihail0431 seeing as every president for as long as I can remember said that they would. And seeing how a large part of US wargames for PACCOM focus on repelling a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. And seeing as the USMC is fundamentally restructuring itself to fight China in the SCS after an invasion of Taiwan. And seeing how "survive until the Americans arrive" is pretty much Taiwan's grand strategy. And seeing how China believes it enough that they haven't already done it... Yea, I'd put good money that we would in fact fight China over Taiwan... IF they can hold out until we get there. I seriously doubt that we would push a war if they can take the island by the time we get there.
That said... we haven't had an official treaty with the Republic of China since the 70s, so technically we aren't obligated. So who knows if the US leadership would act if the PRC called our bluff. I didn't think anyone would step up to protect Ukraine though, and half the world did. We live in strange times, hopefully we never find out.
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US forces arrive? Uuh, hello? Chinese airforce, navy and rocket force vanished?
0:53 "cabalo loco" hehe _le cavalier fou/the mad horseman_ a fitting name for a tank (they're pretty much the successor to cavalry after all)
Seems like the Taiwanese are more focused on coastal defenses instead of ground forces.
Specs of the vehicles that would be used are good to know but it ultimately all comes down to how the equipment is used. You can have technological superiority and still be stymied by a technologically inferior force, the terrain can also play a part in a battle and who uses the terrain to their advantage, Taiwan would have the advantage there as it's their land, they would be intimately more familiar with it more than China. You also have to take into account a countries willingness to defend itself. Taiwan is not as weak as China believes it is and on the flip side China is not as strong as it thinks it is. Truth is no one really knows how this will all play out until it actually happens, it's all just speculation at this point.
Once a landing zone is secured with access to a big enough port PLA would start bringing in heavy MBTs as well
i mean... they did load a shit ton of 96's in ferries
@@niggtube4482 The most probable scenario is China destroying ROC aero naval forces from afar using mainly ballistic missiles and then proceed to impose a naval block trying to starve them out and locking up Taiwan economy to arrive at a Hong Kong status quo (for the moment). The enormous damage to international trade would be used as a weapon against international community to make a diplomatic solution happen faster. A full scale invasion would be a nightmare for PLA and heavily damage production centers that they want intact + civilian casualties in a population that they want to absorb
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My dad was a tanker on a M60 during the cold war- Wow...
CM-11 actually has a new ERA not seen by the public which reduces KE performance by 90 percent and CE by 100 percent. Also they have a new APS which can stop anything as close as 3 meters away. Taiwan just doesn't show it to the public
Hahahha funny
then how on earth do you now
@@lizcarlsonjones607 (screech, hiss) (jumps on ceiling and scurries away)
There are indeed ERA's but the added weight put strain on the aging suspension system
So the ERA won't be equipped during most the training and daily work
(however the ERA fixing method isn't ideal, and the added weight limit's the terrain tank can deploy)
Wow so they are better than what the Americans have?
What Taiwan needs:
Modern fighter jets….
More air defence systems…..
More anti ship missiles…..
Basically everything needed to match what China can offer
They literally need a modern army yes
@@providence889 nah they don't need to match that's just impossible instead they just need enough to dissuade china from attacking by making their war with them so costly to the point that the prize isn't worth the effort
@@flyingsac thats a valid point but if China pulls a Putin, thats out of the topic. And keep in mind Ukraine no matter what had decent weaponry, bmps, t72/80s and a few SUs.
Taiwan is a lot weaker, as you saw in the vid, and if you look it up they only have I think less than 30 or 40 F-16s.
As Red stated and a few people Ive been talking to and having been personally been to Taiwan, tanks are just a spearhead, since Taiwan is full of mountains, gorges and rivers in the middle. They would mainly need helicopters, wheeled vehicles (since the roads in the mountains might collapse) and overall light vehicles.
So the terrain advantage is a plus
Hey, can you make a video about Greek tanks please?
greek tanks are mostly outdaated
A Taiwanese friend of mine often joked about the ROCA, about how it was a joke with how little they were given to train and fight with.
The biggest advantage for Taiwan is amazing terrain for defence. Island nation = perfect shooting gallery upon attempting to land and hilly interior is perfect for ambush, cover and building defensive lines.
As well as the same that their are a fish in the barrel. China artillery field day for them
Considering the Verticality too this would act like one of the strats and flaws of Soviet Tanks during the Soviet-Afghan War
@@user-br4qp4pw2o So as them have artillery mortars and drones...it easy said than done...its easy to fight in defensive position than attacking..if the chinese have that you mention so have the taiwanese also have
Why is PLA landing anything without turning the beach into a crater?
Living in taiwan, I understand how the Taiwanese military is the greatest joke of all time. The training is absolutely dog water as well as the mandatory military service (or as we call it "a summer camp" ) here is only 4 months long and told you absolutely nothing about how to fight (i been through it, ask me how I know) . The people also have very little will to fight with minimal morale as this political opposition is compelety constructed, worsened and made out of thin air by our impotent government. It wouldn't be a Russia situation. If, and I'm saying if China was to throw tanks onto the island (ignoring the fact that shouldn't be even needed), the military will crumble before you can even connect a call to the US
I have zero idea where the audicaty of Tsai come from. It is absolute lunacy to think taiwan should poke the bear or even stand any chance against actually fighting china.
Please don't shatter the illusions of the Westerner commentators who believe that the Taiwanese army are an elite, superbly-trained fanatical anti-Communist force willing to fight to the last man.
Analysis from a chinese YT general.....what joke 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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She learned one two things form zelensky.
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@@shabotages And get their country invaded and have their citizens slaughtered? No thanks, we don't need an irresponsible social media hero like that.
The fire support version of Snow Leopard is likely never going to see the light of day, at least in the form it is right now.
are the Chinese light Tanks capable of crossing the Open ocean? Most amphibios Tanks are Just able to Cross silent Waters Like rivers and lakes but the ocean betweem West tiwan and tiwan is much different i only know one Tank wich is able to Drive across ocean (pt 76) but even when the Chinese Tanks can do this, have they enough fuel to get to tiwan?
zts63a is the updated (slightly) version of type 63 which is the chinese version of the pt76.
@@lizcarlsonjones607 ah okay
I'm pretty sure amhibious capabilities would make a difference in this civil war. The amphibious vehicles would basically function as floating artillery.
It’s 150km across from the mainland to the island, you can’t just sit in an armored tin can for hours expecting to go that far. Most likely ships would be use for most of the way and the last several km would be done by amphibious vehicles, It’s a lot further than we think. Amphibious artillery is not an option as the accuracy would diminished greatly while floating, China would rely more on air strikes instead as the distance is too far for conventional artillery systems.
@@dannyzero692 stab👍
Even with abrams and jungpau, china can take them out with helicopters and anti tank infantry boarded on LHDs, i think thats what china is focusing more right now to build more LHDs
Well i hope that never happens i dont hate each side and got friends in both sides
Helicopters? Are you insane, there will be MANPAD’s literally everywhere, helicopters will be mowed down. ATGM’s is a bigger threat but Chinese ATGM’s are almost all direct attack so the front of an Abrams stands a good chance against them
@@tomsoki5738 have u heard of flares and countermeasures? And no, vertical hit weapons like javelin and tow2b are not good against modern heavily armored targets at all. Weve seen ukrainian DIRECT atgms killing the most modern russian tanks and taiwanese tanks are not better than them at all. And taiwan doesmt operate abrams yet so idk tf ure talking about
And helicopters are not just for attacking, they are also for transporting infantry and equipment
Does Taiwanese ERA has any Kinetic protection btw?
That's classified. Any open source answer would be pretty much a guess.
Artillery on the mountains raining down on those tanks .. ..and mine fields will make little work of them.
I find those Chinese mbt's with all the bolted-on, western lookalike bits sort of cargo cultish. Ironically the light, amphibious tanks without all the bolted-on junk seem a lot more fightable. A lot more vulnerable maybe, but a lot better to fight with.
You're confusing Chinese tanks with Russian ones. The modular composite are indeed bolt on, much like Leopard 2A5-A7's wedges, but there is no caste round turret underneath.
Massive copium in the comment section China wouldn't even need to land all it need is to rain missiles lmaooooo 😂😂😂😂
Maybe the nummerous old.obsolete pattons and cm11 will be dug in and then hidden to becomme hidden static bunkers? I mean, given that they are slow, fragile, and easy to target, that s the main use I see for them. (As it would allow them to not get preemptively striked before the ground assault itself begin, and to, once it begin, be able to sink down the amphibious vehicles and the troop carriers that would try to reach the beach)
Can the amphibious tanks sail all the way to Taiwan and all other tanks transported there in order to invade?
Taiwanese is Chinese, unless they are nationalist party and you can call them this, and nationalist formerly a political party in China, so, even they are nationalist party and their have nationalist party flag with white sun and red, blue these two colors, this land still apart of China public, and nationalist party flag also Chinese flag in world war 2, so they are Chinese
地肯定是中国的，人一部分是中国人，一部分是日本人和当地人杂交的，
Good luck getting MBTs across the Taiwan straits with China's current sealift ability...these old designs may end up facing some IFV APC or light amphibious tanks against which I'm sure theyll hold their own...what Taiwan needs to do badly is double down on dual purpose anti tank anti ship platforms like Spike ER and license produce like they used for Gabriel AShM
most needed are SAM systems
deny chinese air superiority, and landing is lost
@@petrsukenik9266 absolutely agree
In previous military exercises, China already used civilian car-transporting cargo ships to haul battalions worth of tanks. Air superiority is also not an issue since China has a much higher budget than Russia did and invested much more into its air force and naval air defenses, also the entirety of Taiwanese airfields are under saturation of Chines rockets and ballistic missiles. Considering the size of Taiwan compared to Ukraine, it’s not like their assets have much room to hide in either.
Main issue is Taiwanese subs imo, and China already working on that with its Y-9 based sub hunting plane, Z-20/18 sub hunting variants, Type 56A with new tower sonars, unmanned sub hunters, and most importantly, new generations of submarines.
@@thomaszhang3101 using civilian ship in landing operation is suboptimal and taiwanese SAM batteries would be huge problem
Not to mention, Taiwan is not as small as you think, and has mountanious terrain
@@thomaszhang3101 Happy to see a counter argument and always open to a debate...I agree with the other poster that civilian transport does not equate to true military sealift especially when considering opposed landings...there's no question that Taiwan has vulnerabilities...they should consider the Swiss strategy of putting their aircraft in caves and deployment from roads ... Certainly fixed positions on land are vulnerable to missile attack and they should consider rendering their artillery more mobile...key takeaways would be improved air defence... flexibility of assets mobility wise as I don't think they could intercept the missile barrages they'd receive...China would still be facing a landing much harder than D Day with no doubt a couple of US carriers screaming towards them...the Taiwanese subs are obsolete anyway
Now make a video on what kind of drone capabilities they have
Why are we not giving Taiwan M1A2’s upgraded from storage? At the very least the manufacturer of the M60 came up with a modern upgrade package that brings the tank to more modern standards. They should Atleast do that.
They should've went for stop gap measure by buying hundreds of refurbished M1A1 or th Ex-USMC Abrams, but they still insist on getting a newly build M1A2... Well good luck for them if they still insisting to get brand new tank when the threats is just months, hell days away...
The threat has been days and months away... for 70 years now.
I understand that your channel is geared towards tanks and that was the purpose of your video but I feel that talking about China/Taiwan conflict without talking about air defence capabilities is really missing. What do you think a out doing a video on this subject afterwards?
0:24 is that seriously a regular m60 with thermals, that's not the m60 turret model that even has a stabalizer I dont know what they're doing. I doubt it will do too well.
You know I kinda feel like with all these randon light tanks and AMTRAC's kinda deafeats the point of having a capable MBT