4Runner Suspension - Bilstein 5100 Vs Fox 2.5 DSC - Part 2 Offroad
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Offroad Comparison of comparing Bilstein 5100 Suspension vs. Fox 2.5 DSC Suspension. Part 2 of 2 detailing comparison.
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Timecode:
0:00 - Intro
0:08 - Changes in Weight
2:21 - Ride Heigh Differences
6:16 - Brake Dive Differences
7:22 - Speed Bumps
7:39 - Offroad Comparison - Small Bumps and High Speed
9:47 - Jumps!
10:35 - Discussion/Conclusion
15:41 - Upper Control Arm Thoughts
18:00 - Thoughts on Compression Adjustors
19:19 - Would I Buy Fox Again?
20:47 - Conclusion - End
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Now this is what I call an in depth comparison review. Great work!
Thanks for watching and the comment
Nice video! You definitely have one of the best 4Runner kits we offer, which definitely comes with that scary price tag. You did a great job comparing the two types of suspension. It's really tough to compare these 2 different types of suspension considering their price point, quality, performance and serviceability. Either way, love to see product we've tuned being put to work! Keep it up!
I appreciate the comment. And I totally agree it’s not really fair comparing the two kits. Just happened to be what I had. Thanks again!
Excellent video, for me it would be great to see in a graphic and demonstrative way with the four runner a comparison between Bilstein B8 8112 and BP 51.
Fantastic video! Great review/comparison, detailed , informative and super helpful! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great review!!! Great discussion and details shared, thank you 👍👍👍
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Noticeable difference. Great video. Very detailed. Keep them coming. Next time I am at SS Baseball Field i will look for the jumping 4runner and say hi. Silver GX here. 👍
Thanks for the comment! I’ll keep an eye out.
That was a great comparison. You can definitely see the difference from 20mph-25mph on the jumps. After some tweaks on the valving, I reckon the fox coilovers won’t bottom out at 30mph.
I’ve driven my friends FJ with the Dobinson’s long travel and it’s definitely stiff/bouncy. Mind you he’s not running a bumper or winch. Otherwise he’s supper happy with it.
Keep up the videos man, new subscriber here 👍🏼
Thanks for the feedback. Good to know about the Dobinsons. Thanks!
Thank you for the comparison, very informative
Thanks for watching.
Good point on the chart showing the performance of fox doesn't go up after a certain point but the price, wow!! I'm currently have the 5100s front and rear. After this video, I'm going to replace the front for the 6112 with the reservoir and heavier duty springs. I forgot the the 5100s used the stock springs. The nose dive is pretty much the same as compared to stock for me IMO. I went with the Camburg UPC, I think they were 600 but that's before covid so they might be more now. Great video!!
Thanks for the feedback. I’d be curious to see how the 6112s work.
Any update? Did you buy the 6112?
@burtonspy911 Sorry, I forgot to post the reply. I've had the 6112 for some time now. I drove the 4runner from LA to Canada and around Washington this summer. The 6112 definitely feel better on the road. Off-road is where I noticed most of the difference for the better. Feels like the 6112 absorb the bumps so much better. Feels like I can drive faster off road and it feels smooth. Now, for the nose dive, it's still definitely there. I looked away from traffic, and when I looked back, traffic was stopped. I hit the brakes, and boy, the nose dive was there!! Those brakes are strong, but it avoided the crash.
Excellent video, especially teh side by side demonstrations. I wish someone would do something similar for the Bilstein 6112/5160 combination.
Glad it was helpful.
I initially planned to. And then started down a different financial rabbit hole of mods. I still consider coming back to it.
I have the same front shocks on my 4Runner but I have 650lb springs fox 2.0 with rr on the rear with dobinson hd springs with low compression adjustments. I also have fabtech uca’s with 1 1/4 uniballs and total chaos lca’s. Love it.
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I need heavier duty springs for the rear.
@@DBCoffroad mine are 250lb
Very educational - thank you
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Five minutes in and already a ton of good info.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the comment.
Awesome video, very detail and all around great info for people who are considering new setups. Do some rock crawling videos so we can see how it articulates. I'm also running on FOX in a GX460, I like it and don't like it.
Good idea with the articulation. Thanks for watching!
Bilstein 6112 medium duty/5160 rear shocks bilstein new upper control arms and there 1.5 springs. Very cost effective set up! Less is More sometimes. Rides nice and dependable on the trails. Some people don’t like the snap ring adjustment on the front springs! But most front coil overs have to be taken off to adjust to desired hight or fine tune anyways.
Agreed.
I settled on the Bilstein with stock coils in front and the HD bilstein Coils and shocks in the rear for towing. They saved my family’s life as far as I’m concerned. Got ran off the road in a construction zone while hauling a camper and the 4runner handled it like it was made to be there… not a test I ever want to duplicate at 60mph. I also would not put them at 20% above stock - but I’m not impartial at this point.
Sounds like you made the right choice then. How much would you rate them over stock?
@@DBCoffroad I pull regularly… keeping that in mind I’d put them over 50% - coils and shocks. I was bottoming out and bouncing with 350lbs on the hitch. If I was just rating the fronts and I didn’t haul, I would agree. With weight on the hitch and in the trunk, it’s another beast. Put 500lbs of feed or water in the back and see how she handles.
You definitely see these comparisons a lot however, obviously, the fox 2.5 will perform better. Like you said they are a high-end shock. I think a real interesting comparison that some people mentioned would be the 6112/5160 setup.
Thanks for the comment.
I agree with the 6112/5160 comparison. Guess I’ll just have to do that next. Thanks!
If you leave the allen bolt accessible you can adjust the ride height with the shock installed pretty easily. Make sure to jack up that side of the vehicle especially if you're increasing pre-load.
Interesting. I mean it makes sense that it would work.
Excellent Content!
Hey thanks!
Thanks! Great video. Helps my decision a lot. I am very interested in the Dobinsons as well. I really like how they have several different springs each having different levels of lift rather than using the collars.
I agree. Have you purchased that kit?
@@DBCoffroad Haven’t decided what lift yet. Your video has helped make that tough decision easier though
Thanks
Good video, tinkerer’s adventure proved you don’t need aftermarket UCA’s in most cases unless you need it for alignment, larger tires and such. I think revalve the foxes and it should perform better, valvibg is key, or pair another shock in the front for 2 shocks both sides for even faster driving off-road.
Yea @tinkerersadventure has really good videos. A revalve would be great. Valving is key. It’s just not convenient to take your shocks off and send them for revalve while your truck just sits. I was just curious the best setup right out of the box.
@@DBCoffroad true that’s why I kept my stock shocks so when I turn in my king shocks I can still drive my vehicle and not let it sit on jack stands
awesome review!!! TY!!!
Thanks for watching!
I added Eibach truck lift springs with my 5100's. Ram 1500
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Adding better springs will definitely help. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the review. Yikes that 5k price tag for Fox. I'm considering MRR as well. Price to performance is appealing from what I've heard
If you get them let me know how you like them. Thanks for watching. 🤘🏻
Great content! Would love to see a review on the Dobinsons.
Thanks for watching!
Are these 33x10.5r17 or the 285/70r17 tires? I know it’s been a while since you’ve had this setup. I’m asking because I’m probably going to buy these kenda klever rt’s as long as they’re not loud on the road, I think they’re a good fit.
Thank you!
I second the request for 6112/5160 comparison. The 6112 gets you back in the price ballpark and it would be interesting to hear your comments.
I would like to do that as well. I might have to start a Go Fund Me to make it happen. 😂
Wondering how you managed to get 33s on the 4runner with the 2.5” from the Bilstein setup? I keep reading that 3” lift is more or less required to run 285/70/17. Did you have to do a lot of trimming to avoid rubbing?
There was some minor plastic trimming to fit 33”s. Don’t worry about how much lift. You can fit 33s stock. It’s going to cycle the tire through the full range of suspension whether it’s lifted or not. The lift just changes ride height and shock/coil quality.
The offset of the wheel also matters a lot. Stock wheel offset or 0-offset wheels work probably the best. The more negative offset, the more the tire pushes away from the mounting surface and the more you rub on the fenders/body
I have a question I might be able to come across a 2021 5 gen 4runner with no motor Want to put my 2008 4th Gen. V6 in it because it's easier to change the oil and no cassette oil filters to deal with will they build-up pretty easy or is this apples and oranges type of mess let me know
I feel like motor swapping is far more difficult than just changing a bad designed filter.
I’m not really sure what you are after here.
If it was a V8 I’d say do it!
Great slo mo side by side comparos
Thanks for watching!
I've got the Bilstein 5100s on the stock front springs and Bilstein no additional load rear lift springs on my TRD ORP with KDSS. I got 2.5 inches of lift on the top perch in front and nearly 2inches of lift in the rear. With SPC upper control arms, I was very happy how it rides and tracks down the road and the stance was perfect. I find that the ride is pretty close to stock, but with a lift to gain a little ground clearance and fit 33 inch tires. I think that when I added a winch bumper, I lost probably a little over a half inch of lift in front, so I am considering adding OME stiffer front springs, but frankly I don't think that I want to mess with a good thing. Most of my off road driving is slow trails where a moderate improvement in ground clearance and traction is valuable. I hesitate to add more than 2 to 3 inches of lift because the additional stresses that occur when you get further away from stock specs.
The thing that bothered me most when adding weight with the stock front springs was the dipping under braking. But if you like your setup, don’t mess with a good thing! Thanks for watching.
@@DBCoffroad I hear a lot about the nose dive when breaking. I've never noticed that being an issue. I suspect that is largely because of the KDSS on my 4runner... that and the fact that I tend to drive a bit slow 🐌 😀!
Yea I think it’s mostly the KDSS that helps. I tend to drive a little harder on the 4Runner too. 🤷🏻♂️
Very informative. I know this is a year old, but how much do you think the heavier springs would’ve helped the 5100’s? Also what about the Bilstein 6112’s maybe in the front, 5100’ in the back, and adding old man emu heavier leaf springs in the back?
I think heavier springs would have helped with the height. But watching other videos running 5100s and heavy tires, the 5100s tend to lose damping quickly. I think the 6112s would be the best step if you are going to add weight.
As a couple of folks have mentioned comparing aftermarket coils to stock coils tells you nothing. The shock doesn't provide any lift, just dampening so you aren't comparing a Bilstein (pronounced Bil-Stine, not steen, you don't drink from a beer steen) 5100 to a fox 2.5 shock where lift and ride height are concerned. Instead you are comparing stock coils to higher spring rate after market coils. The only way a shock comparison would have value is if you used both shock on the same coil whether it be stock or aftermarket.
Thanks for the comment! I’ll work on my pronunciation for future videos. This is what I purchased so this is what I compared. I’ll take your feedback into consideration for future videos. Thanks for watching!
@@DBCoffroad Yeah, man, good stuff. Re-reading I do come off as more of an A-hole than I intended. It is actually Bil-Stine but no need for me to be nasty about it. And I feel like you personally understood what you were trying to say overall in the video but the use of the shocks as the comparative device for ride height and lift when those traits are controlled by the springs will leave a great many of the new folks wondering why adding Fox 2.5 shocks to their ride didn't give them any lift. Hopefully they will do more research before taking an expensive leap but once you start putting information out there for public consumption it's always best if you make sure that ALL the information needed is included and explained and that it is as accurate as possible. In some cases if you aren't sure yourself it's best just to say nothing at all. But that goes for everything in life!
A spacer under 1 rear spring will help with the lean. You will also benefit from a panhard correction bracket.
Thanks for the info!
What do you think rode smoother on a bumpy asphalt road at let’s say 50-60 mph, Fox or Bilstein shocks? Which one did you feel the characteristics of the road more through the steering wheel?
The Bilsteins are a smidge stiffer on road. But they are a digressive shock. The Foxes are smoother overall. You feel the road more with the Bilsteins.
good overview and some good shots of the truck before and after for comparison. i'm also in Reno. would love to know where some of this stuff is in town so i can go see some of it. i just sent something over to your instagram as well.
Thanks. I hit you up on IG
interesting that you'd put the low speed compression to most firm and high speed to most soft. I think thats why the difference between them isn't showing as much as expected especially for the jump and g-out scenarios. The internal bypass, boost valve, and main piston design of the Fox should allow FAR more force generation than a monotube bilstein. I'd reverse your settings. Put the low speed to full soft to allow smooth ride for on-road undulating surfaces but then having the most damping during high speed compression (jumps and g-outs)
This is just what felt the best after several adjustment tests. Theses specific shocks do not have internal bypass. When the low speed was full soft it felt too squishy and the 4Runner drove very “boaty”. These just seems to work for me. Thanks for the comment!
@@DBCoffroad ahh I was interested in this! I’ve got a Tacoma and just took off my sway bar and she sways now, but I do notice a nice difference when driving curbs and such (haven’t gone off trail yet) but my main issue is washboard roads. Here in CO not all washboard roads allow me to go fast enough to dampen/compress springs properly. Do you think the adjusters would give you enough adjustment to make them smooth at a slower speed? I’m not concerned about high speed as they likely would.
Thanks!
Do you have any problems adjusting the blue knob? I just installed these fox 2.5 dsc and the blue knobs wont even move at all. Thanks!
They are pretty difficult to move. Wearing gloves help. If you can’t get them by hand then there might actually be something wrong. It would be worth contacting Fox.
@@DBCoffroadI ordered the tool from Range industry to help, however, I was able to adjust them earlier. Found out that all of my knobs were maxed out to the left and somehow locked. I gave it a couple turn toward left and right and now they're functioning just fine. Thanks again for your reply.
@@HungNguyen-jq2lxI’ll have to look up the tool. Glad it worked out.
Man that Fox suspension looks great
It performs really well after I’ve had it for a bit. Still pricey but I’m happy with it.
My friend has the BP51s and he loves them. I drove it a bit and imo it is way better than our stock 4600s lol. I'm leaning towards the Bilstein 5160/6112 with Old man emu heavy springs.
If your friend loves his why not just go for the BP51s? Is it the higher buy in that’s deterring you? Suspension isn’t cheap for sure.
Thanks for watching and the comment!
@@DBCoffroad because I heard good things about the bilstein combo as well and dollar for dollar it is more affordable than the BP51s.
And I like you I don't care so much about adjustability.
@@MoY206 makes sense. You'll have to let me know when you get it and what you think. Thanks!
Rear end seemed to bottom out a lot with the Fox set-up. I guess LSC adjustment would fix that
It might be valved a little soft from Accutune. It has the Trail tune on it which is the softest out of their 3 tunes.
I’m thinking I’m going to go with the 5100’s with the rear reservoirs, total chaos upper control arms and OME 600lb springs front and back.
That’s probably what I would go with as the next step from 5100s. You’ll have to let me know how it goes. Thanks!
I went from 5100s to 600lb kings with adjusters. Obviously a huge difference.
Heck yea! Are you happy with the Kings?
Eibach makes spring also. Nice video
Thanks for the info!
What do u think about emu bp51 they are very expensive too, are they worth?
I have read and see very positive things about them. The only negative is how you adjust the compression/rebound. Takes an adjuster wrench. If you don’t go Baja fast then I’d definitely try the BP51s
Dang this is an excellent comparison for those looking to upgrade or see if the upgrade is worth it. I’d be curious how the 5100s would fair with 600lb springs.
Yea.... I need to just buy some and find out
How high did you raise the truck with bilsteins ? To where it was running with the original upper control arms
The front was about 2.5" of lift. I wouldn't worry about the Upper Control arms with the Bilstein shocks. The coil size and lift isn't significant enough to matter. I'd only get UCA's if you go with larger diameter shocks like 2.5" shocks or have alignment issues.
@@DBCoffroad thank you that’s helpful!
Thank you for all your work and a wonderfully didactic pair of videos. I'm afraid you could have saved a lot of money by pairing the Bilstein 5100 to Dobinsons coil springs (my mods). To be precise:
DOBINSONS COIL SPRINGS PAIR (RED) - C59-314R
C59-314R 1 $270.00 USD $270.00 USD
DOBINSONS COIL SPRINGS PAIR (RED) - C59-323R
C59-323R 1 $270.00 USD $270.00 USD
The front springs lift by 2.5 inches, and are heavy duty (they accommodate 150 pounds more than stock, for the weight of the bumper and winch); the rear springs lift 1/2 an inch. Since the rake of 4Runner is 2 inches, my rig sits perfectly level. At the fender, the height in both front and rear is 38 inches and a quarter. I do have Goodrich KO2s which are 270, so half an inch lift is gained that way.
The quality of the ride is a far cry better than stock, and then when I had the Bilstein with stock coil springs (I tested this set-up in Moab, and when I cam off ledges I never hit the front bumper, which I used to); Dobinsons make the best coil springs in the market. All that bouncing around that you display with either configuration is gone with these firm and precise coil springs.
Like you, I've added quite a bit of weight. Between the extra weight and the slightly bigger tires, my 4Runner was even more sluggish. Then I installed the EVC Throttle Controller--and I was and remain amazed amazed. It's like driving a sprinter, and it costs around $200 and it takes ten minutes to install.
I hope all of the above was of help to you and to all who own a 4Runner.
Do you think 7/8 driver and 3/4 passenger would be the sweet spot for no bumper/ leveled on the fox
Thanks for watching!
Doing it again, I would do Driver - 7/8" and Passenger somewhere between 1/2" and 5/8". I think this would be the ideal height for a level stance front to back and side to side.
After a little time and more settling of the springs, its visibly noticeable that the Toyota Lean is present with my current settings. (Driver 7/8"+1 thread and Passenger 7/8"). The passenger side is still too high and I just haven't adjusted the springs yet.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have anymore questions.
What’s the best suspension setup for 4Runner w/KDSS?
Best for what? What do you like to do? Drive fast? Don’t Offroad much? Rock crawl?
I'm looking to doing a entry/mod shock upgrade looking at functionality cost to return ratio don't care about aesthetics. Is there a reason you didn't consider Bilstein 6100
No reason. The 6100s would probably be the best bang for your buck. I just got carried away and made the huge jump from 5100s to Fox 2.5. I wish I would have tiered up slowly and tried less expensive options just to get a feel.
So what I'm gathering from the chart is: The more you Fox around, the more you'll find out.
😂😂😂🤘🏻
My Friend this is nice information but honestly going more then 2 inch lift you are changing the Vehicle behavior , anyway i would recommend Ironman 4x4 with low weight springs , super great product and reliable price .
Thanks for the feedback! Maybe I’ll have to try them out.
Nice vid. Do you happen to know what the valvings are on the two sets of shocks you've used here? I watch a lot of comparisons on YT. This brand vs that. Nobody ever talks about the valvings in the shocks they're selecting, and that's about 80% of what makes one shock different from another. The other 20% being piston design and diameter. I get the feeling that many people don't even really understand what valving is, or that it can be done to order by Fox, Bilstein, etc. You sound like you have some idea. And I think you're right about the Foxes needing more rebound in the rear. After landing from those jumps the tail end really bounced up quite high.
I don’t know a lot about valving except that’s it’s the secret sauce that actually matters.
Bilstein is digressive.
Fox are linear.
The best thing would be to get a custom tune to your specific rig. I tried the Accutune “Trail Tune” for the Foxes. Which is more like a canned tune Stage 1 for them. I’m sure they could do custom tunes as well.
@@DBCoffroad Thanks. Yeah, I've played with the valving a bit in my Bilsteins, which BTW, have linear-valve pistons. I've got the 7100s on my truck, for about 8 years now. Very similar piston to the Fox and King. 7100s are very different from the 'cheap' Bilsteins, the 5100 family. Got the damping working pretty well. And a friend has played a lot with the valve stacks in his Fox 2.0s, dialing them in for better off-road performance. That's at the expense of good street performance, but to each his own.
Fox publishes a chart of their rebound and compression damping shim-stack options, etc. Easy to find online. I am just curious how they decide what combo they consider appropriate for a truck like yours. E.g., their "30/70" combo or what. I guess that would require a call to Fox.
@@DBCoffroad These names are base tunes to get us in the ballpark of what the customer wants. From there we can make changes as needed. We believe our tunes dramatically help the performance of these shocks over the factory valving that was engineered for X model 4Runner, however long ago.
Which ones driving more smooth at off-road conditions: Bilstein or Fox?
Depends how fast you drive offroad.
Slow speeds the Bilstein's are softer and soak up small bumps better. But the faster you go, the quicker they fade.
The Foxes are made for speed and harder hits. They are also great at slower speeds with Accutune's Adventure Tune (softest tune). However they are focused on going a little faster.
You an adjust preload on the truck with the SPC spring compressors
I’ll have to look into that. Thanks for the info!
To compensate for the lean you have to add height to the drivers rear then it’ll even the front out corn fed makes pucks that go on the top of the rear springs and it evens it out I have 35 and a 3” lift
Performance to price ratio is pretty tough to beat on the toytec.
Totally agree!
Are these already revalved from accutune?
Yes. Accutune does a free valving when you purchase through them. I got their Trail Tune. They are really helpful and have tons of good info. Reach out or check out their website.
The Bilstein 5100s are way way cheaper than the fox 2.5s but the fox's are good. I got the Bilstein 5100s on my frontier but they have a upgraded spring from all dogs off-road and they have held up nice.
What size tires do you run? How’s the damping?
Any thoughts on you running Kings?
Will I get Kings? or What is my opinion on Kings?
I probably will not get them. Since I have the Foxes. I'd be curious to try them though.
Check out this video series that Overland Outfitters did. ruclips.net/video/u7cygv76f8Y/видео.html
They go through all the top end brands. It's pretty cool.
@@DBCoffroad cool thanks, new subscriber here 2020 4R ORP.
@@heyitschinoable hey thanks!
next vid do a suspension test with KDSS
I have a friend with KDSS and we have the same Fox shock setup. Look for video on that in the future. 👍🏻
@@DBCoffroad hell yeah
To my eye the front was more controlled with the Fox suspension and the rear was less controlled with the Fox suspension compared to the Bilstein.
I agree. A little tuning for the Fox and that could be worked out.
Comparing apples to oranges. You still had stock coils with 5100's right? Fox included coils. Compare the Fox to Bilstein 6112 front (those come with coils ) and this will be fair. Seems you knew this as you mentioned. Bottom line is 5100's are for those of us that don't add a lot of weight and just want much improved corners and nosedive. They do excellent for this.
Agreed. The next step up from 5100 would have been the 6112. Still wanted to give my thoughts on Fox 2.5 DSC though.
I don’t race. I’m keeping my 5100s and I just through on some upgraded bump stops which are amazing. I’ll save the money towards a down payment on a home.
Which bump stops did you get?
Sounds like a smart choice. Thanks for watching!
One of the rare videos where we can see the suspension in real life action not bolting suspension in garage. However, it is not really correct to compare Fox 2.5 and Bilstein 5100. It would be more correct to compare 6112 & 5160 with FOX 2.5.
I agree with you. I skipped a few steps. Just wanted to compare what I had. I still want to get a 6112/5160 set and compare. Just don't have the funds right now.
Bad comparison! 6112 whith there medium duty springs and there 5160 shocks whith bilstein 1.5 rear springs and there new upper control arms will be a honest comparison! People bitch about the adjustment on bilstein but you still have to take the foxs off to do adjustments! Less is more sometimes and still get a very nice ride whith the extra weight.6112/5160 are very budget friendly and been working pretty good for my driving style.
I’m taking donations from people that don’t like my comparison…. Venmo and cash. But I agree. The next logical step would be to go from 5100 to 6112. I just skipped several steps. 🤘🏻
I also don't think the difference in preformance between the bilstein and fox shocks is that drastic.
I'd say the bilstiens are probably a 50% performance increase over stock while the fox shocks are a 70% increase.
And as with almost any performance upgrade, it's costs more money to make ever smaller gains. For example, the difference between an engine going from 250hp to 300hp might only be $500 while it would then cost $5000 to go from 300 to 350hp then $20,000 to get to 400hp.
It's the same with suspension unfortunately.
I agree with the price for limited gains. Just depends how much you want to spend. I’m sure the valving is different from your vehicle and my 4Runner. But everyone has their own experiences. Thanks for the comments!
Hmm is it just me or do the comparisons look pretty much the same? Fox seems to throw around the drive about as much as Bilstein and they both bottom out...
Yea from just the video they look similar. It’s hard to convey differences without just sitting and talking about them. Was just trying to add a little action into the comparison. Thanks for watching!
Yeah i really doubt that extra 270 pounds makes a noticable difference in performance of the suspension.
You are talking about 270 pounds on a 4800 pound vehicle. That's only an increase of 5%. Or to put it another way, it's 1/20th of the total vehicle weight.
I know i never noticed any difference with my 5100s on my 1st generation grand cherokee between having just me vs having me, my 350 pound brother, and his two sons who weighed a combined 250 pounds. Not to mention all the gear in the back. That was a total payload of 1000 pounds, and there was no noticable change in performance.
You’d be surprised how seat of the pants will beat any numbers game. It was mostly the added weight was too much for the stock coils. The 4Runner suspension comes from the factory very very soft.
The Camburg Long travel kit total chaos rear long travel kit will solve all your problems.
I’m not quite ready for Camburg long travel yet. The purchase cost is very steep. I don’t have any problems with the rear right now. I have been looking at different rear link kits though. Thanks for watching!
Wait, shocks that cost 5x more are actually better??? The hell you say! 🤣
Seems suspicious right? Thanks for watching!
I wouldn't bother with the BP's, enough reviews to turn most away
What do you run on your rig?
In the middle of purchasing a 2018 GX 460, debating between the cost-effective eibach 2.0 or balling out with the fox 2.5. What are your thoughts on my choices?
@@youngjet63 it’s hard to just say one or the other.
What are you going to use the GX for?
Foxes are good if you will be going fast. They are probably even overkill for me because I don’t go fast on trails. Fast = broken parts.
I’ve heard good things about Eibach.
I’d save the money with the Eibachs and then use the rest to do other mods.
Not to throw a wrench in, but have you looked up Ironman USA suspension? I have a buddy with a GX and he loves the FoamCell Pro kit. They usually have a 25% off sale every couple months or so too.
you should had tested the 6112 instead
Maybe I will… but I agree. That would have been the next best step in the progression of 4Runner Suspension.
Rebound force of Foxes in rear looks too weak.
Interesting. I feel like the rebound was set too high. Which part of the video are you referring to so I can reference? Thanks for watching!
@@DBCoffroad Have a look 10:31 how rear jump up & loose grip on Foxes at 25 mph. Two shaky movements in the series. Lack of rebound in rear. 9:28 the same. Bilstein is working more balanced and more correctly however Bilstein looks a bit soft in overall.
Bilstein 6112/5160 is a better comparison. For the money, 6112/5160. If you’re spending 4500, add a little more and go long travel.
I agree the 6112 would have been a better comparison. Just didn't have a set.
$4500 for Fox shocks vs $8000+ for long travel. It's not just "a little more" to most.
@@DBCoffroad If most can afford $4500 suspension then $8000 is a better deal for what you get.
@@xengyang6552that’s just not entirely true and really depends on your use/situations. I could’ve went either and decided with the extended travel Fox instead of LT.
LT shocks needs to be physically longer when collapsed, which means you’ll actually lose up travel unless you lift it more, which then means more body roll. You’ll also have other hidden cost, like LT being wider means more load on the steering rack, tie rods, etc. You’ll also need to consider front/rear articulation balance since the articulation on IFS front is really limited by how much weight is compressing the spring, and the rear sway bar will bind unless you run a anti rock type setup.
When I spec’d it out, it would’ve been about $5K more expensive to do it properly with axles, rear custom anti rock, etc. I decided for my use case (and probably most people that isn’t running Baja races…), the extended travel is the “better deal” and I can invest the $5K into other upgrades… say almost a supercharger… better rear linkages… add a front diff… etc etc.
If your overlanding get the FOX, if you city daily driver get the Bilstien...DONE@
#nailedit
Actually 5100 doesnt compete with fox 2.5
6112 and 5160 is muc more "fair" to compare
I agree. It is just what I had at the time.
I’m interested in getting the 6112 kit to compare in the future.
@@DBCoffroad actually i own a 21 sierra crewcab slt iam having 5100s with stock suspension with 1.5" lift front
Im thinking to upgrade but dont know what to go for
My use is 70% on road city driving and other part is washboard offroad and some whips and dips to construction sites
Any advice?