the idol, overs*xualization, & the male gaze
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
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intro 0:00-1:42
quick recap 1:43-4:23
the male gaze 4:24-8:04
n*dity/overs*exualization 8:05-11:04
takeaways & ending thoughts 11:05-13:10
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the fact that they didn't want to tell the story from a female perspective despite it being about the experience of a WOMAN in the showbiz industry tells a lot. they turned into the very thing they were supposed to criticize.
Yep.
I feel like this also can bleed into how minorities in general are commodified.
@@Suited_Nat yo thats so true
@@Suited_Nat Commodified is definitely the right word. They're interested in telling stories about minorities (here women), but only if they also perceive said stories as profitable. And if they decide a female director is taking the story in a direction that is more honest and authentic but less profitable, then they have no shame cutting her out. It's never about uplifting minorities, or even just telling a decent story. It's about money. And when you're all about money, you make some shitty art.
That’s not what it was about or ever supposed to be about, that’s what you wanted it to be about which is just what Amy’s vision of it was.
This show has drove me INSANE. Sam Levinson likes to use his fragile male ego as an excuse to make a misogynistic show. The Weeknd has a LOT of control of it, as the Rolling Stone article said so
there are so many problems with it 😭
It’s not even mildly misogynistic
@@markg1727 what do you think it is then?
euphoria itself was a big red flag being so graphically sexual despite being about teenagers. ofc this scrote of a man took his leap and made straight up humiliating torture porn next
Im so pissed that this show could've been good. Her mom manipulating her and then dying and her having to figure out her life and trauma within her career would've been so interesting
No it would of been boring tired and stale but you would of loved it because it’s what you enjoy. Art is not made for the lowest common denominator
sam levinson derives a sadistic pleasure from degrading women and inflicting pain upon them, to a point where they cannot survive without their male partners. for example cassie from euphoria. there was so much that could have been done w her character, primarily exploring the aftermath of havin an abortion, her issues w her father, and how she was sexualised by the men in her life since a young age. however, he chose to forgo everything about her character and reduced her to someone w nice body, who would let men have their way w her as well as being so dependent on nate that she could barely function without him. also the fact that they fired the female director bc she was leaning too much into the "female gaze" and chose to hire sam to tell the story of a woman being used by men. hes a weird man and honestly should never be put behind the camera ever again
I...don't think Sam Levinson knows what satire is lol
Do you?
@@markg1727omg now that you're bringing it to my attention I'm realizing I don't!! I don't know what anything is!! Thank u for correcting my silly little girl brain 😘
12:02
"We need more people who aren't men telling stories about people who aren't men."
EXACTLY! Sis, you read my mind! Seriously, the fact that Abel and Sam fired Amy because there was too much of a "female perspective " even despite the fact that the entire goddamn show literally revolves around A WOMAN pisses me off.
Not what the show is about
The set up of getting to know the behind the scenes life of a massive pop star could have been a very interesting one, but sadly this show just fell into the wrong hands. Even if the show were to make Jocelyn seem like an absolute girl boss and badass by the end of the season, the way they’ve been setting up doesn’t make it satisfying at all.
exactly!
Honestly I think it's insane how they literally said that taking charges on someone if they committed a crime against you is revenge??? As if a women who raises her voice if nudes of her are getting public because of a men is just doing that for revenge. That shit is problematic.
The weekend’s character also was just super creepy and “rapey” and seeing how much he had a hand in the creation of the show… we should all steer clear and far away from this man 😭
Dont worry I’m sure he won’t be sliding into ur DMs anytime soon
Omg the Jeffrey Epstein joke. It was so disturbing and sickening
RIGHT
The ret@rd line was equally unnecessary, who approved the script?
the opening scene in episode 3 just shows it perfectly.. the male gaze. lily's face is hidden by the shadow. her breasts are out, and the sunlight and the camera is focused on them. for no reason. didn't add anything to the scene. wasn't some sort of subtle nod to something deeper - like perhaps tedros see's her as an object. no.. this shot was the director who sees her as an object. it's just nudity for the sake of it.
The way the show could've been so much better without the involvement of Abel and Levinson like the heartbreaking scenes of her trying to shoot a music video physically messing her up, crying for her mother in a room full of people who don't care about her but only churning out something to sell.. Lilly acted her ass off but then Abel comes in with unnecessary sex scenes, cringy lines and awful acting. The male gaze is so apparent in the gratuitous nudity (great that lilly felt protected same as Sydney Sweeney, doesn't negate that Sam is fucking weird for making them take their clothes off so much) but Abel gets to stay clothed and how his mere existence somehow turns her on like?? That magazine was right in calling it the worst sex scene to be made lmao. They could've shown scam companies trying to recruit struggling artists and how they can exploit them but instead they're literally exploiting the actors by making the girl in the 2nd ep literally strip nude then run around and play the piano for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON??.. i can't even make sense of what they're doing, crying at Cannes like this show is anything more than Levinson's pornographic fantasies of humiliating young women and presenting it as "pRoVaCatEUr"
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APPLAUSE. Sam's writing wants to showcase to the mainstream his demented opinion that beautiful women's kink is being overpowered by men in an abusive way period. Because Jocelyn was attracted to Tedros while he wasn't even trying or being sexy/attractive at all yet Jocelyn is sitting in the club with her dress covering 40% of her body all visuals. We can be sexy and be attracted to nice men, we do NOT get wet from rat tails, abusive pimps, and knives....wtf.....what a loser.
I wanted to take a shower after I watched the first ep and Im not gonna watch the others. If someone ever asks me what the male gaze is ill show them this show. Sam, stop it get some help. That creep should be locked up.
Facts, he’s really telling on himself with these shows.
That interviewed clip you showed looked so... strange? Uncanny? Sam Levinson was fully animated and moving whilst talking but Lily Rose Depp and The Weekend were as still as statues. Like completely unmoving and expressionless plus The Weekend looking right into the camera was kinda creepy tbh
new subscriber! I watched the first episode, and I feel like in addition to the world of misogyny and exploitation behind this show, the Idol is also a result of the industry's turn towards generating content rather than organic storytelling? as in, feels like they created one big vibe (that also happens to be disturbing), and I'd be shocked if it actually shapes itself into a meaningful narrative.
really appreciated your thoughts here, and look forward to watching more of your work.
thank you!!!
It infuriates me because I see the potential of telling a story about being a woman in the entertainment industry from a vulnerable and female perspective and they had to ruin it with some truly gross imagery for the pleasure of men
it's giving Blonde in the worst way. doesn't take a lot for a guy to listen to women and try to apply that knowledge to their writing, but most seem more concerned with getting boobs on screen than understanding the female characters they create
I’ve written several short films and a tv Pilot and a majority of them have a female protagonist. As a cis het male I find them more inspirational and challenging to write. I’ve had to scrap entire concepts because it became glaringly obvious that they were not well written from a woman’s perspective. I get input from women in my life on their thoughts about the characters, it helps but doesn’t replace the need for more women behind and in front of the camera making their own stories.
Originally The Weekend's character was supposed to be HOT and was created for the female gaze to the point where the female lead falls for him and ignores all of the manipulation and dangerous Red Flags because he is charming in an iconic way but then Sam L and The Weekend butchered this character by rewriting him as an obvious creep + terrible acting. We could have had an ICONIC character with a really really good actor to be able to pull it off if HBO didn't ruin it all by firing the female director Amy. 😒
the weeknd singing about whatever was going on in the background AS it was happening was so funny. the sam levinson version of glee.
The Idol would've been on Spike TV if it had come out in 2008, I feel it in my bones
they should have just said it was a p0rn and called it a day because this is absolutely shown from the male gaze perspective, because evidently it was too much about the female perspective . like I can understand that not all nudity can be sexualized, but like....most movies and media in general kinda center around the male gaze which begs the question; what do we make of movies and media that are literally just to serve the male gaze? people say context is everything, but the context is quite literally and simply ✨ *sex* ✨ with this show in specific, this is a gross way to say that all they care about is the male fantasy; a hot girl who is mentally unstable and will allow you to treat her like garbage and stay with you no matter how abusive or toxic you are; ie. *ANY MAN HAS A CHANCE AT HOT WOMEN* . this is all just a p0rn
i watched the idol out of whim and wanted to throw up every meal i have had in my lifetime
i really like your voice it's so calming :)) Keep up the videos!
thank you!!!
Great commentary, this show didn't come off as a satire at all.
You may or may not have seen it but I’d like to recommend The Take making a video on the Female Gaze.
i have not! i'll check it out
Eh the Take went downhill. It's gossipy commentary rather than nuanced film analysis now
extremely well put. i personally haven't heard much about this show and i will not be watching it now. it's so disappointing that we still have to deal with such terrible male gaze :( hopefully people who need to hear these words will watch it!!
YES i've been waiting for this video THANK YOU
I’m actually dropping out, I don’t want to be a number to give it a second season
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I pirated it and just wasted my time because it's just boring. I could have just went on a corn sight if I wanted to watch nudity with terrible acting instead.
Good news. The Idol has been cancelled and won't be getting a second season.
The commentary was definitely on point
Just stumbled upon your channel and I love it!
I think it's really interesting how self-aware of his toxicity The Weeknd is in his music but in visual media it hasn't translated successfully at all and has just slid into misogyny. The song Take My Breath relates to s*xual choking and it's a bop but when the same idea is brought into episode 1 it feels uncomfortably and unnecessarily violent.
It's honestly getting harder and harder to enjoy his music, even with the self awareness and vulnerability he shows in the lyrics. Those do NOT absolve him of his toxic traits, and idk his role as Tedros just feels like a way for him to indulge in his sadistic misogyny...
Is he self aware in his lyrics or is he just actually a misogynist?
Great content and your voice is soothing too.
It could’ve been such an interesting story and show, and the acting of most of the characters is actually pretty good (not looking at Abel, cause idk if that man’s ever heard of facial expression), but the lack of character development and unnecessary focus on nudity really cheapens the show
I think you put it very well with the word "gratuitous". Most of the exploitative scenes are just unnecessary. It's clear this show was only made to oversexualise the female cast and stroke the egos of Sam Levinson and The Weeknd :/ I am a huge fan of The Weeknd but I cannot support this show
When you mentioned the definition of over sexualization for the sake of objectification versus sexual scenarios for a meaningful purpose made me think of the show Insecure.
It had a few sex scenes, a few scenes revolving around the bodily functions of people, but it wasn't done to objectify the men or women in the scene, it was done simply to show the normal lives of these yound adults who have smex. Comparing that kind of show to this show (and Euphoria), you can see the difference between objectified sex and not objectified sex when it comes to how women are portrayed on screen and their sex lives.
Women's bodies aren't always aesthetic and sexually pleasing to men and it shouldn't be portrayed that way in media.
10:23 yeah everyone but Sam Levinson here looks like they are staring down the barrel of a gun held just off camera. Everyone just looks so uncomfortable and I think that's revealing.
Girl just came to say your video didn't show up when I was looking for idol reviews, might wanna see that optimization
Hi! I was wondering what's the brand of your mic?
This show has so much potential! I'd love to see a show about a pop-star trying to get her career back after having a mental breakdown. It's too bad they're focusing so much on The Weeknd's corny ass character
I like the way you’ve managed to use this absolute dumpster fire to say something important, rather than just ranting about it. Thanks. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked when they give us a new low (especially from SL - I did see Euphoria season two, after all) but I am shocked and horrified by so many aspects of this show.
The fact that people are really defending this show, talking about “it’s just acting” “it’s deep you wouldn’t get it” at the people criticizing it, calling them “haters” just shows how desensitized everyone is to nudity & shit dialogue, all because it has cool aesthetics and an attractive cast, Not understanding this show is actually satirizing itself and a horrible representation of manipulation/romanticizing abuse. Celebrity worship is real and The Weeknd’s fans prove it with their deluded defense over this trash.
I really do think Sam Livingston thought French people would get this show better than Americans, because they are way more comfortable with sex and nudity, so he premiered it at Cannes. But boy was he wrong. Does anyone like the show?
Good reaction! Entertaining show and great soundtrack!
The stans crying out "oNg iT iS jUSt saTiRe"- bruh, shut up, it is like a skit by Cherdleys, but not half as good or entertaining. It is a pule of garbage set on fire💀
Why would they fire the female directorrrrrrr
Tedros and his rat tail 😂
The problem is that HBO mandates sex and nakedness because it's HBO. It's part of the brand. It's being like that since at least Spartacus and Game of Thrones. And of course they will let Sam take the blame because otherwise people would directly unsuscribe HBO, which would be a bigger loose for HBO than if people simply don't watch The Idol. To me Levinson clearly believes to some extent in what he talks about in the pieces he creates. Assassination Nation for example is very un-subtle about it's criticism against mysoginy in relation with American Identity and Nationalism etc. I hope that once Euphoria is finished he can go and do he's own thing.
I watched Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge some weeks ago and couldn’t believe how obviously this was written by a man, only to find that the idol has the same problem but so much worse 🤢
After watching episode 4, I’m seeing that The Weeknd’s character ruins everything! If it was just Lily and the other characters, everything would be okay.
Some of the lines in the show I can see truly sick and evil people in that industry like “Mental Illness is sexy” but the Rapey line that was said should of been took out that made me uncomfortable and wanna puke
It's still crazy to me that the entire show started off with Jocelyn's manager saying "MeNt@L iLLnE$$ is sEx¥" is just so wrong so cringe and so messed up.😅😅😅
What did you study, if anything? :)
The show was trying too hard to be provocative. Also, there's no plot HBO should cancel this. And I like the Weeknd but this show is boring and over the top.
I don't think there's a problem with the male gaze at all, just like there's not a problem with the female gaze. It all comes down to the writing.
What an ignorant and stupid statement. There’s plenty wrong with the male gaze.
both are harmful as each other...don't play daft
@@moonbaby222 Harmful in what way? People are allowed to enjoy things.
You don't understand what the male gaze is.
@@moonbaby222 Please explain what the "female gaze" is and how it's just as bad as the male gaze.
So much unnecessary nudity it served absolutely nothing
As a SA survivor and CAS survivor I can tell you that both me and my girlfriend who is also an SA survivor absolutely loved the show and thought it was BRILLIANT and incredibly NECESSARY. You’re criticisms are idealogical and silly and just objectively wrong and based on popular attitudes that have become all too pervasive by people who claim to be idealogically liberal but really are just knee-jerk reactionaries and idealogical bullies that can not challenge their own biases and sensibilities to engage with difficult art. You’re criticism is the same criticism feminists like Gloria Steinem lobbied at Bret Easton Ellis when he wrote American Psycho, one of the literary masterpieces of the past 50 years easily. They were wrong then (Steinem has admitted as such and Christian Bale who starred in the movie adaptation is actually her step son) and you’re wrong now
Ok unpopularrrrr opinion here...but has anyone ever considered the fact that maybe some women out there in the world actually enjoy being fantasized about by men and enjoy being the object of the male gaze? I think it's totally fine to hate the show. I don't think it's fine however to assume that only men are behind the "issue" of the male gaze or that women aren't just as aroused by Lily's incredible body as men. OR, here's a wild thought...that some women are actually extremely aroused by their OWN BODIES, and even more so when a man is looking at their bodies with arousal. And that that mutual arousal can lead to some really great sexual experiences for both the man and the woman. I think this is where feminist theory is starting to lose its appeal and credibility a lot. You can't just paint everybody - all women or men - with the same brush. We are so different in what we find appealing when it comes to sexual desire which is the whole point of the show. It all comes down to your personal taste! I actually agreed with the fact that seeking revenge on the person who leaked your photo does what exactly? The photo is already out....calling that person out just adds fuel to the fire. Once again, this comes down to taste, and no two humans are alike.
Yes, there are women who want to be raped, sexualised ect by men. Most of the are weird af and need hard therapy.
What kind of feminist spaces you're hanging around? SWERF space? All of my feminist space supports sex workers so obviously they're mostly sex positive.
The problem with lily's character is (and male gaze), she seems like she has NOTHING outside of sex and being sexual. She said she wants to leave a great legacy behind? Ok great. And she wants to create a meaningful art? Great. But do we see her actively learning to be a better songwriter? music producer? studying music from scratch? looking for ideas? finding ideas while pooping (lmao)? Does she even have any hobbies? Bascially all of non-sexual things where we can see her being human other than the object of desire on screen.
The whole plot is exactly what a Black Swan movie is about. Nina is clearly very sexual and wanted to be the object of desire but we can see she's hardworking and will do whatever it takes to be a great performer. The difference is, she doesn't become sexual because of trauma (like how most men write traumatized women). She becomes sexual because of repressed feeling after she grew up with a very strict puritanical mother.
Edit: wording
Ok, this is a show, this show is not about sexuality, is about abuse lol. And yes obviously some women like to be "gazed" bla bla. But this a show honey a tv show, not intimacy time with your partner por whatevere lol...we are talking about the male gaze, you know? Is like you didn't watch the video...serously you are a bit Lost
I don't think in this particular show the Pop Star was never supposed to be sexualised and degraded like this. 🤷🏽♀
@jaylynn1276 the male gaze is not literally a man's gaze fucksbdslqbdk
The more I hear about this show the more it sounds like some fantasy The Weeknd and Sam Levinson have.