Nostro Claudy avrebbe dovuto vincere questo Giorno, RIP Claudy, ma Maurizio era anché OK. Sono da Renaix, e avevo visto la corsa in diretto. Non l'arrivo, ero ritornato a casa per guardare nel TV.
I always thought it was a huge hit of luck by Fondriest, but watching it again, I'm not so sure... He was the fastest one (a good sprinter even in a peloton sprint), he looks like making little effort to overcome Bauer at the end. He was right in the wake of the other two, so he could have won anyway in my opinion, but we'll never know.
...non fu sbandata , fu una sgomitata con taglio della strada da parte di Bauer su Criquelion in rimonta ! Agevolmente Fondriest ha sfruttato l ' impasse ed ha vinto. Bauer sarà di lí a poco squalificato , Criquelion giungerà a piedi sul traguardo , sarà undicesimo ; giustizia avrebbe suggerito piazzare ufficialmente Criquelion al secondo posto.
@@fotogramma2398 bell' idolo , uno che si fece spingere dal pubblico sul Cauberg , sfruttò la scia delle moto di ripresa della NOS ( tv olandese di stato ) e dulcis in fundo buttò in terra Battaglin ! Ma si sa , se gli Italiani non sono esterofili non sono contenti ....😁 hi hi hi
@@alessandrodorsi9800 No, gli italiani non sono per nulla esterofili, sono dei tifosi e dunque rinfacciano a Raas quello che hanno fatto tutti nel ciclismo prima o dopo.
@tortolabvi - i think Fondriest would have pipped Bauer for second place. Bauer was shot after bridging up to them. He should have sat on Fondriest's wheel for as long as possible but instead he goes along side Criquelion as if to say 'hey i'm here'. that was stupid on Bauer's part. then when the sprint started he was doomed. Fondriest was waiting to pounce. If you see in the last km Fondriest never sits down, he's ready to go. So who knows, he might have beaten Criquelion anyway.
Bauer was a very talented racer who often had poor tactics when a big win was in reach. 1984 Olympics comes to mind as well. 1990 Paris Roubaix was an exception. He did everything right (forcing Plankaert to go wide over Vanhoydonk and himself) just beaten by a stronger man that day. Bauer caught Fondriest and Criquelion late and should have sprinted from the back.
Bauer aveva speso troppe energie per rientrare ed aveva un rapporto troppo duro. Fondriest aveva un rapporto più agile e forse avrebbe vinto lo stesso con il traguardo in salita, ma non è sicuro. Invece è sicuro che Criquelion era un grande corridore, umile e generoso, ma spesso sfortunato nelle corse e soprattutto nella vita. RIP Claude♥️
Unfortunate. Regrettable. IMO a lil reflexive (habitual, unthinking behavior) by Bauer but not conclusively malicious. Glad Criq got up on his own power and not serious hurt.
Avrebbe vinto Fondriest lo stesso, era in retroguardia...ma pronto a colpire, non si è mai seduto in sella negli ultimi chilometri, chi intende di ciclismo lo sa.
@@ginetto7433Pronto a colpire quando? Mancavano 100 metri... 😄 Avrebbe vinto Criquelion, Fondriest ha corso bene, però ha anche avuto una bella botta di culo.
i read about this sprint over and over again way back in '88, and heard that bauer needed a police escort to get out of belguim safely. to his credit i don't think he intended to make cruiquileon crash. he was simply trying to box him in, which is a classic defensive move when someone is coming on the inside. when done properly they have to back out and go behind, which ofcourse there is no time for and they lose. also bauer was trying to shift at the same time which made him swerve.
It was accidental. If you look closely in slo-mo, you’ll see that Bauer reaches down to switch his gear. He has to take his left hand 🖐 off the handlebar causing his bike to veer to the right just as Criquelion was passing him in that narrow gap to his right. The crowd barriers had these protruding supports that caught Criq’s bike wheel. It wasn’t a deliberate move to cut Criq off. Bauer’s bike destabilized slightly as he took his hand off the handlebar to switch the gear. Fondriest was a gracious winner, always a pro.
La cosa che sorprende, al di là di tutto, sono gli appoggi delle transenne che sporgono nella strada. Chissà, forse senza quelli Criquillon non sarebbe caduto !?!?
It's just a shame that the crash happened. Only things I'm sure about are that they were all great riders in their own way, and that I wouldn't try to take the inside against a guy who grew up playing hockey.
... it wasn't a skid as the Italian commentator said , it was an elbow with Bauer cutting the road on Criquelion in a comeback ! Fondriest easily exploited the impasse and won. Bauer will shortly be disqualified , Criquelion will reach the finish line on foot , he will be eleventh ; justice would have suggested officially placing Criquelion in second place.
it was a stupid move by criquellion to go for the inside,where any sprinter would crowd him towards the barrier,he had the whole other side of the road.imho.
Too bad Bauer and Criquileon made contact.... It woulda been the second world championship for the Belgian....Bcus Bauer was fading. R.I.P Criquileon....
for 21 years i taught bauer was at fault.but now looking at it i dont think he really was.look at bauers face,to me,i dont think he even new criquelion was moving up at his right rear.thats just what it 'looks' like to me anyhow.
the flemish coverage is a bit better quality and it shows Criquelion protesting after walking across the line. just look up "WK wielrennen Ronse 1988: laatste kilometer, met val Criquelion" here on youtube and you'll find it.
Bauer was already moving his elbow when he felt Criquielion's arm against his . If you do not box out while sprinting you are going down as well . I think that was an instinctive move not one of malice .
To me it looks like Criq had the race if Bauer would have sprinted straight. Podium would've been 1-Claude Criquelion 2-Bauer 3-Fondriest. To give Bauer the benefit of the doubt, I think that he came closer than he wanted to Criq when he reached down to shift, which would not have happened using today's shifting technology. But, it was what it was... bike racing! Thanks for posting.
I remember watching this on TV when it happened. I always felt that while Bauer was definitely trying to box Criq in against the barricades, hey, that's racing. Criq never should have tried to force his way past in such a tight, confined space and put himself in that position. There was simply little to no space in there - it was an accident waiting to happen, and it did. Personally, I wouldn't have disqualified Bauer, but I can understand why the race officials did. The decision could have gone either way.
Bauer was clearly at fault, deserved DQ. When he stopped weaving those wide sweeping S-turns, he should have stayed straight and steady once the other two came up to speed. When one is in a group, attempts to ride straight and steady, all the time. Guaranteed Bauer teaches his team that, but I wonder if he shows them this video? (pause to roflmao), It's really something that all these guys should consider during a field-sprint (but Renshaw's 2010 DQ was worse). Thx 4 posting.
but he was still at fault though and i do believe he was dq'd. as for who would have won? criquileon looked stronger in the end, but in a sprint anything can happen. it jumpstarted fondriest's career that's for sure.
Avrebbe vinto Fondriest lo stesso, era in retroguardia...ma pronto a colpire, non si è mai seduto in sella negli ultimi chilometri, chi intende di ciclismo lo sa.
Bauer was at fault,changing gear this close to the end of the sprint when you are actually sprinting ,taking his hand off the bar when he is very unstable and then losing control causing Criquileon to crash he should have just accepted responsibility. I don't think Criquileon should have made a court case out of it these things happen in racing. You may want to beat the persons brains out but you just chase them down in a race you know they want to win and make sure they lose it.
Dramatic! This would have been Criquielion´s for sure.Bauer´s sprint was one of a exhausted rider who did´nt hold his line and drove Criq in the barriers.
Avrebbe vinto Fondriest lo stesso, era in retroguardia...ma pronto a colpire, non si è mai seduto in sella negli ultimi chilometri, chi intende di ciclismo lo sa.
Maurizio was a class cyclist, Bauer the dumbest cyclist ever but Criquelion was the real world champion 1988. Congrats Claudy with your two world champion titles, congrats Maurizio with your career!
Bauer was declassified rightly, no question about that! He was even looking under his arm where Claudy was coming. The Canadian spoiled the party, but not Fondriest's :). Claudy shouldn't have sued Bauer and lost that also rightly because the verdict could have been a precedent in sport. He was wrongly influenced by political people who afterwards quickly fled. Nevertheless one big tragedy, the moral winner loses two times.
Bauer was changing gears, that’s why his elbow was out. Criq tried to squeeze a barrier line and it cost him. Criq’s reputation was ruined by the lawsuit issue. Not only did Criq lose the lawsuits, he was heavily fined for vexatious behaviour. He lost a fortune and has been bitter for decades over the issue. Poorest loser is sport history.
Perché piccolo piccolo? Fondriest non ha responsabilità nella caduta. Non è stata né la prima né l'ultima volta che qualcuno cade in volata. E in nessun caso gli altri si fermano ad aspettarlo.
Tu sei fuori come un melone ! Si capisce che non sai nulla di ciclismo. Ma sai quante volte olandesi e belgi hanno derubato noi ? Vedi con Battaglin e Moser. Ma sei etno-masochista ? L'unico cervello piccolo è il tuo. Senza contare che pure se non cadeva il corridore avversario, Maurizio Fondriest vinceva lo stesso, lo si intuisce dal fatto che negli ultimi chilometri non si sedeva mai in sella, sempre pronto a scattare da dietro, dopotutto era il miglior sprinter dei tre.
Nostro Claudy avrebbe dovuto vincere questo Giorno, RIP Claudy, ma Maurizio era anché OK. Sono da Renaix, e avevo visto la corsa in diretto. Non l'arrivo, ero ritornato a casa per guardare nel TV.
Fondriest would have won anyway. He was the best sprinter of this trio.
No that's not right - he was already beaten ! - Claudy was that day the fastest
@@dirkwauman7503 BULLSHIT ! Fondriest more fast of trio...
I thought Bauer was a good sprinter
But I have no clue
I always thought it was a huge hit of luck by Fondriest, but watching it again, I'm not so sure...
He was the fastest one (a good sprinter even in a peloton sprint), he looks like making little effort to overcome Bauer at the end. He was right in the wake of the other two, so he could have won anyway in my opinion, but we'll never know.
The belgian was obviously the fastest.
Credo che le eventuali scorrettezze siano meno gravi di quelle subìte da Battaglin nel suo mondiale,quello del 1979 mi pare
...non fu sbandata , fu una sgomitata con taglio della strada da parte di Bauer su Criquelion in rimonta !
Agevolmente Fondriest ha sfruttato l ' impasse ed ha vinto.
Bauer sarà di lí a poco squalificato , Criquelion giungerà a piedi sul traguardo , sarà undicesimo ;
giustizia avrebbe suggerito piazzare ufficialmente Criquelion al secondo posto.
Questo mondiale ci rende giustizia per Battaglin nel 79
Parole sante, quella volta quei ladroni di olandesi hanno derubato il nostro buon Giovanni.
Fondriest.....Non avrebbe vinto mai la volata.....senza la scorrettezza del canadese!
@@dismentei Ma chi Raas? Uno dei miei idoli?
@@fotogramma2398 bell' idolo , uno che si fece spingere dal pubblico sul Cauberg , sfruttò la scia delle moto di ripresa della NOS ( tv olandese di stato ) e dulcis in fundo buttò in terra Battaglin ! Ma si sa , se gli Italiani non sono esterofili non sono contenti ....😁 hi hi hi
@@alessandrodorsi9800 No, gli italiani non sono per nulla esterofili, sono dei tifosi e dunque rinfacciano a Raas quello che hanno fatto tutti nel ciclismo prima o dopo.
@tortolabvi - i think Fondriest would have pipped Bauer for second place. Bauer was shot after bridging up to them. He should have sat on Fondriest's wheel for as long as possible but instead he goes along side Criquelion as if to say 'hey i'm here'. that was stupid on Bauer's part. then when the sprint started he was doomed. Fondriest was waiting to pounce. If you see in the last km Fondriest never sits down, he's ready to go. So who knows, he might have beaten Criquelion anyway.
Bauer was a very talented racer who often had poor tactics when a big win was in reach. 1984 Olympics comes to mind as well. 1990 Paris Roubaix was an exception. He did everything right (forcing Plankaert to go wide over Vanhoydonk and himself) just beaten by a stronger man that day. Bauer caught Fondriest and Criquelion late and should have sprinted from the back.
Poor Criquelion. He was always up there with the best. But didn't have much luck in the finish.
Bauer aveva speso troppe energie per rientrare ed aveva un rapporto troppo duro. Fondriest aveva un rapporto più agile e forse avrebbe vinto lo stesso con il traguardo in salita, ma non è sicuro. Invece è sicuro che Criquelion era un grande corridore, umile e generoso, ma spesso sfortunato nelle corse e soprattutto nella vita. RIP Claude♥️
RIP champion
Grande Grande Champion
Unfortunate. Regrettable.
IMO a lil reflexive (habitual, unthinking behavior) by Bauer but not conclusively malicious.
Glad Criq got up on his own power and not serious hurt.
lo ricordo bene anche se ero un bambino
A 75 mt Fondriest aveva 2 biciclette da recuperare... dubito che senza quella sbandata avrebbe vinto. Ma ad ogni modo a noi è andata bene così
Avrebbe vinto Fondriest lo stesso, era in retroguardia...ma pronto a colpire, non si è mai seduto in sella negli ultimi chilometri, chi intende di ciclismo lo sa.
@@ginetto7433 chi sa di ciclismo sa che era in ritardo nel momento della caduta....
@@ginetto7433Pronto a colpire quando? Mancavano 100 metri... 😄
Avrebbe vinto Criquelion, Fondriest ha corso bene, però ha anche avuto una bella botta di culo.
I m'sorry for Criquielion, very sorry.... unlucky...
Unlucky? That was just criminal. It's obvious. Steve Bauer knew he was going to lose. The hit was intentional. It's very sad.
It wasn't on purpose I think
i read about this sprint over and over again way back in '88, and heard that bauer needed a police escort to get out of belguim safely. to his credit i don't think he intended to make cruiquileon crash. he was simply trying to box him in, which is a classic defensive move when someone is coming on the inside. when done properly they have to back out and go behind, which ofcourse there is no time for and they lose. also bauer was trying to shift at the same time which made him swerve.
It was accidental. If you look closely in slo-mo, you’ll see that Bauer reaches down to switch his gear. He has to take his left hand 🖐 off the handlebar causing his bike to veer to the right just as Criquelion was passing him in that narrow gap to his right. The crowd barriers had these protruding supports that caught Criq’s bike wheel. It wasn’t a deliberate move to cut Criq off. Bauer’s bike destabilized slightly as he took his hand off the handlebar to switch the gear. Fondriest was a gracious winner, always a pro.
Never should’ve let Bauer catch up like that. Bad move.
Note to self. Stay in the center of the road on a sprint finish.
Has karma ever responded so quickly?
ragazzi ...io c`ero, si ero li`.. Criquillon era il favorito ( avrebbe vinto di sicuro)
Balle ! Fondriest era il più veloce dei tre, stava per partire da dietro.
@@ginetto7433 ma che caz...dici? che stava per partire va be`ma criquillon era piu`forte ( vabbeh poi si sa`che non sempre il piu`forte vince)
Fondriest ebbe culo.
La cosa che sorprende, al di là di tutto, sono gli appoggi delle transenne che sporgono nella strada. Chissà, forse senza quelli Criquillon non sarebbe caduto !?!?
It's just a shame that the crash happened. Only things I'm sure about are that they were all great riders in their own way, and that I wouldn't try to take the inside against a guy who grew up playing hockey.
Ha ha! 😅 Well said!
... it wasn't a skid as the Italian commentator said , it was an elbow with Bauer cutting the road on Criquelion in a comeback !
Fondriest easily exploited the impasse and won.
Bauer will shortly be disqualified , Criquelion will reach the finish line on foot , he will be eleventh ;
justice would have suggested officially placing Criquelion in second place.
it was a stupid move by criquellion to go for the inside,where any sprinter would crowd him towards the barrier,he had the whole other side of the road.imho.
damn what a finish
Maurizio returns to Ronse with his Ronse '88 bicycle on 02.04.2010
The incredible thing is the supports of the fence that protrude into the street! those without criqueillon perhaps would not have fallen.
C'erano anche per gli altri.......cmq Fondriest era il ➕️ veloce
come dice De zan Criquelion non lo dice nessuno....
Chi è qui dopo gerry?
Too bad Bauer and Criquileon made contact.... It woulda been the second world championship for the Belgian....Bcus Bauer was fading.
R.I.P Criquileon....
Altough won one of my fellow was the most sad and unjust mondial history.Criquelion surely would have won and deserved.
for 21 years i taught bauer was at fault.but now looking at it i dont think he really was.look at bauers face,to me,i dont think he even new criquelion was moving up at his right rear.thats just what it 'looks' like to me anyhow.
the flemish coverage is a bit better quality and it shows Criquelion protesting after walking across the line. just look up "WK wielrennen Ronse 1988: laatste kilometer, met val Criquelion" here on youtube and you'll find it.
Culo !
Bauer was already moving his elbow when he felt Criquielion's arm against his . If you do not box out while sprinting you are going down as well . I think that was an instinctive move not one of malice .
To me it looks like Criq had the race if Bauer would have sprinted straight. Podium would've been 1-Claude Criquelion 2-Bauer 3-Fondriest. To give Bauer the benefit of the doubt, I think that he came closer than he wanted to Criq when he reached down to shift, which would not have happened using today's shifting technology. But, it was what it was... bike racing! Thanks for posting.
I remember watching this on TV when it happened. I always felt that while Bauer was definitely trying to box Criq in against the barricades, hey, that's racing. Criq never should have tried to force his way past in such a tight, confined space and put himself in that position. There was simply little to no space in there - it was an accident waiting to happen, and it did. Personally, I wouldn't have disqualified Bauer, but I can understand why the race officials did. The decision could have gone either way.
Criqueillon deserved, but Bauer has "prevented". Fondriest, at that point, he had no choice: only win.
....ancoraaaaa godooooooooooooo GRAZIE FONDRIEST ;)
Bauer was clearly at fault, deserved DQ. When he stopped weaving those wide sweeping S-turns, he should have stayed straight and steady once the other two came up to speed. When one is in a group, attempts to ride straight and steady, all the time. Guaranteed Bauer teaches his team that, but I wonder if he shows them this video? (pause to roflmao), It's really something that all these guys should consider during a field-sprint (but Renshaw's 2010 DQ was worse).
Thx 4 posting.
*when one is in a group, one attempts to.....
but he was still at fault though and i do believe he was dq'd. as for who would have won? criquileon looked stronger in the end, but in a sprint anything can happen. it jumpstarted fondriest's career that's for sure.
dalle mie parti si chiama bucio di culo
Avrebbe vinto Fondriest lo stesso, era in retroguardia...ma pronto a colpire, non si è mai seduto in sella negli ultimi chilometri, chi intende di ciclismo lo sa.
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Criq' was stupid, to pass like that? Look at Jan Raas' win against Didi Thureau, he made it thru', Criq' didn't, that racing!
Bauer was at fault,changing gear this close to the end of the sprint when you are actually sprinting ,taking his hand off the bar when he is very unstable and then losing control causing Criquileon to crash he should have just accepted responsibility. I don't think Criquileon should have made a court case out of it these things happen in racing.
You may want to beat the persons brains out but you just chase them down in a race you know they want to win and make sure they lose it.
Good point, hadn’t thought about it that way, but you’re right.
eh eh eh... vero ma lui sprintava così...
Dramatic!
This would have been Criquielion´s for sure.Bauer´s sprint was one of a exhausted rider who did´nt hold his line and drove Criq in the barriers.
Non avrebbe mai vinto...cmq é stato un ottimo corridore, ma sopratutto un grande professionista
Avrebbe vinto Fondriest lo stesso, era in retroguardia...ma pronto a colpire, non si è mai seduto in sella negli ultimi chilometri, chi intende di ciclismo lo sa.
e chi lo sa... era davvero veloce Fondriest. È uno sprint sul quale possiamo solo supporre.
sapete che io sono il nipote di Moreno
Moreno chi? il famoso ventriloquo?
L'arbitro che c'ha derubato in Corea?
Non avrebbe mai vinto Fondriest.......ebbe un culo della madonna.
Perché dici questo ? Criquelion era ormai alla frutta; Bauer non sapeva fare le volate...
Maurizio was a class cyclist, Bauer the dumbest cyclist ever but Criquelion was the real world champion 1988. Congrats Claudy with your two world champion titles, congrats Maurizio with your career!
Checulo
Bauer was declassified rightly, no question about that! He was even looking under his arm where Claudy was coming. The Canadian spoiled the party, but not Fondriest's :). Claudy shouldn't have sued Bauer and lost that also rightly because the verdict could have been a precedent in sport. He was wrongly influenced by political people who afterwards quickly fled. Nevertheless one big tragedy, the moral winner loses two times.
Bauer was changing gears, that’s why his elbow was out. Criq tried to squeeze a barrier line and it cost him. Criq’s reputation was ruined by the lawsuit issue. Not only did Criq lose the lawsuits, he was heavily fined for vexatious behaviour. He lost a fortune and has been bitter for decades over the issue. Poorest loser is sport history.
CHE COLPO DI C......
Balle ! Fondriest era il più veloce dei tre, stava per partire da dietro.
fondries è della lazzie!
Un uomo vero si sarebbe fermato e avrebbe fatto vincere il belga,ma Fondriest si è dimostrato piccolo piccolo.
Perché piccolo piccolo? Fondriest non ha responsabilità nella caduta. Non è stata né la prima né l'ultima volta che qualcuno cade in volata. E in nessun caso gli altri si fermano ad aspettarlo.
Tu sei fuori come un melone ! Si capisce che non sai nulla di ciclismo.
Ma sai quante volte olandesi e belgi hanno derubato noi ? Vedi con Battaglin e Moser.
Ma sei etno-masochista ? L'unico cervello piccolo è il tuo.
Senza contare che pure se non cadeva il corridore avversario, Maurizio Fondriest vinceva lo stesso, lo si intuisce dal fatto che negli ultimi chilometri non si sedeva mai in sella, sempre pronto a scattare da dietro, dopotutto era il miglior sprinter dei tre.
ma cosa stai dicendo? Se non si sa nulla di ciclismo o di sport in generale, non è obbligatorio dire per forza qualcosa. Si può anche tacere.
Well i would have been pissed off for sure. Criq was in the wrong for going on through the inside.