Are Portals Right for You? -We Compare Your Options
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- We take 2 of our cleanest builds in the shop and compare which is right for you. Portals or the typical way people build a big sturdy Jeep. This is not an opinion piece just a side by side comparison so you can walk away understanding more and making a good decision for you and your new build.
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If we get the price of those portal axles to come down, they be more affordable for people, but I do get why these are so expensive. You don’t have to do any of that extra suspension. Or re-years
I think if they get the volume in sales to justify forgings instead of milled parts that will bring the costs down. Already they're not far off a 4" lift, axle shafts, reagear,upgraded joints etc and you gain some real diff clearance which you just don't get any other way.
I talked to them, and the price is about to drop from 20 to 15, which isn't bad considering everything you get. I don't know about the Bronco pricing, though it's a lift gearing, and with 4.10, you will be able to get 40s plus the brake upgrades
@@dougenyart9243At 15k, they would make a lot of sense. Not forgetting that if you upgrade to a later model, you could return your Jeep back to stock and fit the portals to your next buy.
The portal's looked cool until I saw the price. 25K for the portals alone. I didn't think aluminum should be that hard to manufacture. This mod will not be going on my 1999 TJ, but it is cool to see what is out there.
It's made in merica man you gotta add 20k for where it's made with Chinese aluminium.
@@brandonke690 try dim sum and you will understand what a crap of american food 😋
@@Borneotek what?
It is not made is merica, it is made in The Peoples Republic of California.
Moving production out of that sink hole would save huge amounts on overhead.@@brandonke690
If I am remembering This Old Tony, and AvE videos correctly, Aluminum can be a bit harder to machine nicely than harder heavier materials, because it can be a bit soft, and it likes to "Gum up" the tools.
I love my portals and fully independent suspension. They came stock on my 1972 Pinz Gauer 710 M. Kinda noisy and a bit slow but still roadworthy.
I need to play the lottery to afford this cool stuff.
Thx for the video! I just cringe when people spend 20k+ for Portals Only and Still have stock axles and suspension travel etc with MORE LEVERAGE against the factory inner-C's that are not that strong imho when a person goes past 37s...Id recommend they put those Portals on a aftermarket axle assembly like a D60 etc...Dont you think?
Brilliant!! This is awesome! We done y’all!!!
Imagine you do portals and overhaul the suspension and tires. Mort unstoppable vehicle ever
Glad your customers have deep pockets so we can see cool stuff like this
I don’t own a jeep or live in America but ever since I’ve seen portals I’ve wanted some on my little Suzuki jimny for the extra ground clearance and possible central tyre inflation like the hummer but sadly no one seems to make things like this for a jimny or for an affordable price but I love the look and work great job
TRE4X4 makes portals for the Jimny.
Awesome Comparison...🤩🤩
Video pretty well illustrated who is the target market for these. People with money to burn and a pavement pounding jeep money pit where they're worried about gear whine and not the actual use of the added ground clearance.
Between these 2 jeeps, the one with aftermarket suspension is going to handle much better in all situations and have much better suspension flex. This means its going to be better on and off road. The rare situation where the portal jeep may be getting some benefit the aftermarket suspension jeep will likely be able to make up that difference with better flex.
Stock jeep with 40s vs a stock jeep with portals and 40s would be a good comparison. Over 20k additional expense and only 3.5" clearance to show for it. I think 99.9% of drivers would take the 40s + $20k cash in their pocket.
Also, super high cost aside, you did not actually address the likely scenarios where portals would benefit you. They may be occasionally beneficial while rock crawling, but suspension flex more important in most rock crawling situations. Deep snow and mud is where its all about axle clearance is where portals really shine. If you're running 40s and frequently find yourself stuck in mud or snow, going up to 44"+ tires isn't an option, and you have $20k to blow then portals are right for you.
Should be great to combine both concepts I think,got the flex of the double throwdowns and diff clearence of the portals
This is a pretty cool solution. It seems to be catching on in racing with the top teams.
While I like the idea of portals , to gain 3 inches would be incredible in rock crawling situations but unless you are doing that , its a lot of money to front for a 3 inch increase. The other aspect is you have 3 gears and multiple extra moving parts inside each of the portals. This is a lot of parts that at any point can fail , and if they do , it will destroy the parts not failing at that moment which makes for a very expensive repair. Good idea , yeah , but very expensive. It is a very niche thing that only rock crawlers would pay that kind of money for.
They warrant full lifetime replacement I think I read.
So my take away from this is that I can do this myself. DIY!
Its crazy how far manufacturing has come over the last 20-25 years.
As an ortho surgeon, I gotta know who commissioned this? Lmao.
These are reallly cool they have been around on rc cars for a while now too
So great review, but you missed one point in my opinion. What are the cost factors between the two builds. Not all of the other stuff like bumpers and stuff, but what is the complete cost of a portal build vs the axle build (which I assume would probably include complete lift kit, shocks and other essential elements. What is the true cost comparison?
I'm thinking 🤔 by the time you get the portals tweeked and running good you could probably afford to go with Mrap axcels and a suspension upgrade for close to the same if you can find the right junkyard!!!!
That portal setup is absolutely amazing, but not for $25K 👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿
Would they be able to make the portals with CTIS? That would be a wonderful addition.
Great... now I want a 2 door Rubicon JL with portals and 37s
Can ya'll add the portals to that radical build? Will they mount to the Currie F9's?
But can you do a double throwdown with portals?
And I am betting wheel bearing live way longer on the portal setup !!! 🥰 😋
These will move the weak link to the already failure-prone stock inner C's, ball joints, and FAD housing. If you have the coin for these I'd really recommend an aftermarket axle housing in the front at least.
Based on what experience? What have you personally done with portals to make such a bold statement?
@@Exodus4x4 It's simple physics. People are breaking/bending these stock axles on 37"+ tires already. Why else would they make truss and C-Gusset kits? If you add 3.8" more leverage to the equation, that will only find these weak links sooner.
You need to understand how portals work. They take the stress off the components you are talking about.
Sam@@jake-mv5oi
We have been wheeling them for 2 years on around 50 vehicles and have not seen a housing or C fail yet…can it happe, sure, is it happening…nope
Is California still in the United States? Just wondering 🤔
Meh
Not really
Shouldn’t be. They’ve become 3rd world.
Unfortunately
Yikes 😳
So would the portals and the double throw down compliment one another? Have the F9, portals and the King suspension would be super cool.
Think about wide that would be. Maybe if the axles were narrowed
@@Exodus4x4 So true. The ground clearance would be insane though.
That being said, is there an axle upgrade that would work well with the portals for max protection and clearance? Or would it really be necessary to bullet proof?
gotta love the Geep Wagon :)
🍻Very cool, and nice to see you're not speed limited like many vehicles with portals. I am curious how much power you lose running them? Any idea?
None? It’s just gear reduction, so there’s not really a “loss”.
@@Exodus4x4 Thanks for the reply. There's always a loss due to friction, just as in the difference between flywheel vs rear wheel hp/torque. If it isn't noticeable though, that's cool.
@@squatch2461 Portal axles increase torque available at the wheels due to the gear reduction. This is what an old Unimog can do due to its portal axles with the meagre 84hp coming from it's engine: ruclips.net/video/dyrfZkkpENU/видео.html
None? 😂
This people is why you don’t buy stuff made by !&!@7s.
Straight cut gears is all you need to know to avoid this nonsense.
I get people are concerned about the stock axles but people forget it’s 22% less stress on the shafts and RP. People run 40s on the JL 44s somewhat reliably, and the 22% strength increase may be enough to make it a pretty strong setup actually. Time will tell with these builds.
I do think that the price is too high as does everyone, but I really think they are just breaking into the market and have a good opportunity for some decent volume. I know they are proud of their billet, but it just drives the cost up so much due to the heavy machining. I think if they cast these (maybe steel at that point) to bring the price down to 10-15k, it will really take over the market. But maybe they just want to stay billet and only cater to the high end and racing market, that’s their choice.
What I would ask is, can you give the breakdown in cost comparison?...Lift cost + Extended Labor vs Portals + Lesser labor...to my mind the end cost of making a decision to go portals or not, is in the gap between the two....
What he doesn't go into is you don't want to daily drive portals. They increase you fuel mileage drastically. They increase your cruise rpms drastically. They add a lot of wear and tear to the vehicle from running so hard at higher speeds. This is a great way to lower your gearing for rock crawling and offroading. It's similar to running a doubler transfer case. The only difference being that you can put a transfer case in neutral... the gearing on these is permanent.
Obviously you have no idea what you’re talking about lol. None of what you said is true. Stop internetting
How drastic that is all depends on what gear reduction the portals are, and the fact that the Jeep was still able to go 75 at all indicates that the reduction isn't that drastic.
@@Exodus4x4 not to butt in but he does have a few points kinda correct. The hummer h1 and the unimog both run portals and they do tend to suffer from heat buildup in the boxes themselves. The axle itself tends to do fine heat wise. I’ve said it before I think their cool and for a person who wheels and uses their Jeep once in awhile as a street vehicle they would be ok. But for a daily driver they could run into some issues unless 74weld has done something to mitigate the heat issue they tend to run into.
After initial break in of the gears, do you use a friction modifier in the portals oil? How often is it required to change the oil in the portals?
What about combining the two different types of lifts?
I thought the extreme recon‘s came with 35s…. Or are they KO2s so 35s that should be somewhere in the 34 range are actually 32s?
Fluid change intervals (portals) plz. Thanks
Change it when you change your oil
The traditional build FTW! Do they make portals for the F9s? 😎 😂
Yea, let’s go it!
All XR’s come with 35’s. It’s literally a part of the package.
i think id buy a 2nd used wrangler for 20k lmao
You need to have a price breakdown video
Very nice but price is ridiculous.
Thought you might all about pricing! Would like to know
Got that chipped window already.
I thought portal axles were what the hummv and 60s military 6x6 trucks have
Are there any full axle replacement portals?
Portals are so cool, but im just wondering if theres an option that gets you the ground clearance but not necessarily setting you up for giant tires and really wide track.
Buy why?
DSTrac has full axle portal replacements.
What is the cost comparison? The portals are $25k but what about the other set up?
The other set up costs about twice as much when you include axles with suspension.
All that extra stress on the links and rod ends from axle wrap makes me nervous. I would need to upgrade all the links to thicker cromo or DOM and switch to bigger stronger rod ends.
Totally not necessary. There isn’t any more stress on the suspension than before.
@@Exodus4x4
Thanks.
I was thinking the four link suspension on every Wrangler built this century would make axle-wrap a non-issue but did not know. Putting portals on my completely stock 1989 model, on the other hand, might get me into serious trouble with its leaf springs.
Should do a flex comparison i am interested in that difference
As stated in the video, you will get more suspension/wheel travel out of the non-portal build.
Is there a way to get the clearance of portals and flex of long arm?
@@justinedmondson5759 Yes, do both long arms AND portals.
Im sold. If i get a Wrangler or gladiator, this is what ill do!
Were those wheels custom for the portals I don’t see them in their website with +25 offset. And there is no rubbing?
Roll the windows down 😂
Since when did the XR package come with 32 inch tires the standard Rubicon come with approximately almost 33s which are not truly measured to 33s so 32 would be correct however the XR come with 35s which should still give you a measurement of 34 inches and some change so how are you stating that, they had 32 inch factory tires when you stated that both of them are the XR packages
You Americans with your 4bs, come over to Aus, nothing but a good ole time.
What's the cost difference?
love those portals but I vote no for 40s on dana 44 haha
Man… $25k to protect a $2,000 differential seems like a big solution. For that money you could get a lift, full skids, a disconnecting sway bar, fat tires, a toolbox, off-road jack and extra differential in case you still manage to bust it on the trail.
how did it effect your gas milage
Will this cause extra stresses and leverage on the upper and lower control arms and bushings?
Yes
No
@@Exodus4x4 You know your stuff, but it is basic physics. You are putting a lever in the mechanism thus these portals add more stress to the control arms. In fact they also add stress to the axle housing.
i know you guy are jeep dudes but they got anything for the Toyota LC200 land cruiser? The portals and the full time all wheel drive with a set of kings 3.0 sounds sick, right?
Take a look at Werewolf for LC200 and other options in portals
20k!!!!!
A set of those axles installed costs almost as much as my FJ Cruiser did. Some of you have a lot more money than I do...
Well your still sending all that power threw a D44 axle shaft and RP… for that kinda coin🤔
But they look bad ass at SEMA and the mall
Those portals add a lot of unsprung weight. How much does each piece weigh?
does tire pressure and ambient temperature matter when measuring Ground to Differential height?
I have no idea what "portals" are. Would have been good to have a little explanation in the description.
Obviously your target audience knows what they are... random "car people" on the internet... not so much! Liked the content!
Can you put portals on a Powerwagon?
I'd rather have 1 ton axles vs 3" more clearance
No offroad testing?
Expensive mall crawler?
are they really portal axles? or more like portal hubs?
They’re portal axles.
@@Exodus4x4 there not axles
It looks like you just unboxed a red Axial SCX10iii. 😅
Do you have a Dana 60 or Corporate 14 bolt version in the works?
From a German perspective the sentiment of buying high quality USA made products and not the cheap stuff from overseas seems hilarious.
Hilarious in what way?
Your arm tattoo is so original, looks like, every other arm tattoo I’ve ever seen
Thank you for the intelligent response
Those portals substantially increase the unsprung weight. That definitely can't be good for handling. Good for off road though. That should be a consideration.
Probably not compared to upgraded 1 ton axles
And what are those c gussets going to do besides scream & break?
Have they ever?
"Are portals right for you" Are you a millionaire? Then yes!
Can you fit this on a Wrangler Sport, of yes would you have to regear.
for the price and the fact your dont keep stock brakes and stock wheels means they are junk, when they break and they will you will have to special order parts to fix so these are not designed in anyway to go offroad.
What’s the price of each build?
What are the fenders on the "Traditional" build? Look like MC, but something seems different.
Try watching the video with the volume up
Are you developing anything for the 4xe?
25K for portals. Real question, are you going to out perform axle upgrades and a double throw-down / tradish build.
Out perform in rock crawling? Probably. Out perform at high speed desert? Nah
Depends, if it gives you clearance overall then wouldn’t it take the benefits and apply it to the high speed desert run? Take independent suspension with portals like the bronco. If you take the “between worlds” build approach then couldnt it be a Jack of all trades but master of none?
This guy talks like he's nervous and it's his first day reading que cards for a car dealership commercial 😂
New around here?
Are these available for GM trucks?
Wait! At 6:30 can you please explain why you’d re-gear to 4:10 from 4:56? Thanks man!
The portals already have a reduction in them, so going to 4.10s allow you to run a stronger pinion gear while still having the low gearing
I will stick to live axle.
work on gladiator ?
Absolutely
Why did the video seem so shaky and loud during the test drive?
Maybe you were experiencing an earth quake wheeler watching the video of the test drive
20 K$ ...
Do you make them for a modern GM 3/4 ton Duramax? That would be a big market! Would love to put them on my upcoming ZR2
get some unimog axles
@@toddtempleton9321 not even close to what I wanted. But on an old truck sure. Just not a new one.
I wonder how the portal axles would do on a 4xe rubicon....
Basically it’s a re-gear, and to my knowledge that still hasn’t been addressed
I would imagine that compensating for the regear with bigger tires should bring back factory rpm/vehicle speed ratios. That should be a fairly straightforward calculation using the percentage of reduction caused by the new gears.
Why do you have to choose? Can’t the portals go on the built truck 🤑
Yeah if you want a 93” wide truck that can’t fit on roads or trails?
Hi, great review. What’s the cost? Portal, tires and rims? With installation. Thanks.
Over $30k but really depends on how the customers specs the rest of the package.
I like the dstrack performance brand portals, they are very good
Total cost of portals and rims and tires?
All in you’re looking at over $30k.
I'm interested in if anyone knows anything about the company sponsoring the "Orthopedic Trauma" rig, not Zimmer and DePuy and Stryker, I know them. Or is that the sponsors? It would be odd because they are all competitors...
Hmm Why not COMBINE both
So are the portals good for a daily driver and say long highway trips to go wheeling in other states? and could you combine the portals with the currie semi float 60 axles and maybe a 2 and 1/2 inch lift?
You could, but not necessary to add any lift
There's really no need for the other parts after the portals. Can tuck 40s and is regeared to drive like stock with upgraded now floating axle. Jeep thinks it's stock...better diff clearance. The weld 74 portal kits a pretty solid deal honestly, if the get it forged and push the price down any its gonna be hard to beat just a big chunk at once.
What’s a portal?