College classmates have said Lauren was a horrible person, a bully, made fun of disabled or fat people. There's a video of her mocking the way deaf people talk. Sounds like she was bully from a very young age and never changed. She only surrendered after the police came to her parents' house looking for her. Barbara seemed like a lovely person and was loved by so many. This should never have happened to her.
One would hope such evidence and testimony will be permitted at the trial (if there is one). The jury needs to understand that this may have been an accident, but it was not an innocent one.
Lisez cette triste et dangereuse nouvelle Le narcissisme est un trouble psychologique qui amène la femme à tromper la victime avec des mots d'amour et de tendresse pour satisfaire son ego, alors la femme ignore la victime et cherche une nouvelle victime La femme narcissique ne ressent pas de sympathie pour la victime, de sorte que la femme narcissique apporte souffrance et destruction grave à la vie des victimes. Parce qu'elles tombent amoureuses, nous demandons donc aux travailleurs et aux chercheurs de trouver un remède pour les femmes narcissiques en travaillant sur la production de médicaments qui donnent l'instinct émotionnel dans le cerveau des femmes narcissiques. (Nous vous prions de bien vouloir transmettre ces nouvelles susmentionnées ainsi que les demandes aux travailleurs des laboratoires de sciences du cerveau et des laboratoires de chimie)
Made it look really bad not turning herself in after she knew police were looking for her went into hiding her 2 weeks, scrubbed her phone??! To possibly conceal evidence , hid at parents house Dad refused to let cops search after tip. Got Lawyer then turned herself in, can’t wait to hear excuse she conjures up!!! What’s wrong with phone, in a rush to go party Come On, wasn’t walking quick enough for you? Mind her age!!!! Make me sick 🤕
As someone who went to college with her and was close with her for about 6 months I can say she was a completely unhinged human being and her behavior pushed all her friends away, she had HORRIFIC kleptomania addiction that was very severe but the news won’t publish it because there’s no proof even though I went with her when she shop lifted a 300 purse from a Levi’s story, after all the stuff I’ve personally watched her steal o would say it was in the ballpark of 10 grand total.
@@68blondynka yes, she had a horrible kleptomania problem, im just sharing a different problem she had pointing towards her current erratic behavior, that's my point. she also took me to speak to the guy she cheated on her fiance with after throwing a shirt in his face and said "i have nothing to say to you" he also did heroin and spilled it all over my roommates counter
@@M_Lev the guy she cheated on her fiance with did heroin, the first time me and her hung out one on one was when she dragged me with her to confront him after he said he didnt wanna date her. she said she felt used by him and wanted to confront him about it, he had left a shirt behind in her dorm room and she took it with us and she threw it in his face, said "i have nothing to say to you" and we walked away, i was embarrassed and stunned that she did that and i just followed her. she then asked me "did you see if he looked back" and i said "i didnt see anything" and then she told me he spent 4 months in rikers (oh the irony) for possession of heroin. i went to our mutual friends dorm (this is the friend who introduced me to paz) and told her what happened, and she said "wait that must be the same guy who dumped his heroin kit on my counter earlier this morning" and i said "well i guess prison didnt help him huh?" but i was super disturbed because i had just met paz maybe 2 days prior to ask me to accompany her to do that was super weird to me. she had this weird thing about her where she treated you like a super close old friend even after just minutes of knowing her.
She needs to get the full 25 years. And her lawyer? What a piece of work. They're overcharging her, he says. Overcharging? She just killed a person. What are they supposed to do, give her community service? This one really ticks me off because it was totally unprovoked and there's just no excuse for it.
Charging and sentencing are not the same. The lawyer isn't arguing how long she should get. He's arguing that murder shouldn't fit based on her actions. The sentencing doesn't come in until after a conviction. By the way, if the prosecutor cannot prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, she goes free completely. If her actions cannot successfully be measured up to the level of the crime she's been charged with, double jeopardy sets in, and she walks completely free without any jail time at all. Basically, you should be concerned with the charge the prosecutor has chosen to pursue. There are other possible charges that would've fit better (i.e., manslaughter). But because the prosecutor set the bar so high, it's all or nothing. Either she's convicted or she goes free. No second chances in trying someone for the same action.
@darali Understood. Still a bit insulting though, along with the claim that they're going after her because of her socio-economic status. Gonna try and sell a jury on the idea that wealthy people don't get a fair shake in the justice system or something. If this was a laughing matter, that would be the biggest joke of all.
Stop hating on lawyers doing their jobs representing their dirtbag clients to the best of their ability. Of course the lawyer is going to go to bat for their client regardless of how disgusting a person they are, that’s the nature of the right to representation in our legal system
Having suffered a traumatic brain injury, from a similar assault, a punch rather than a push, this case really fills me with so much anger. I was punched from behind without provocation, and now have to live with a million different problems. I got a life sentence of issues, and the guy who did it got 4 years 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I don’t know why the hell people think that punching someone in the back of the head is funny or cool or without serious injury. Brains are delicate! I hope at least you got civil compensation from this. If not, you surely deserve it just as that assailant deserves to have a permanent hole in their pocket to remind them of what they did.
I've heard this is a common thing in New York City, to run up behind a totally innocent person and hit them in the back of the head with a fist for no reason at all. The assailants are usually black and the victims are white or Asian.
Sorry but I have no mercy on someone who attacks the elderly. She caused her death, not by accident but by intentionally and maliciously shoving her to the ground. It's not like she couldn't foresee a frail elderly woman being gravely harmed by those actions. Her actions were not on accident, as if she accidentally ran into her, no she purposely sought her out, yelled profanity at her and attacked her. Sorry but twelve years is too lenient, especially when they only truly serve half of that with good behavior. She chose the action therefore she chose the consequence. Life in prison. Maybe some true consequences will change that entitled thinking she has
This is not the middle ages where crowds participate in punishments and gather to watch public shaming and hanging. You sound like the Duchess in Alice in Wonderland. "Off with her head" without the slightest regard of the prison overflow situation or those having to work herding so many wily or dangerous nutjobs incapable of self control.
@@valeriemacphail9180 you're right it isn't the middle ages, we've gotten soft which is why we have so many of these horrible crimes being committed by these "nutjobs". If we brought back public hangings which were to deter others from committing such crimes, then maybe we wouldn't have the crime rate we do today. Nor would we have the over populated prisons that you worry about. I'll take over populated prisons over letting these crimes go unpunished cause one day it might be your family or my family that grieves the loss of a loved one. I can't believe your concern is for the regard for the prison personele, not for the loved ones who've lost their mother, sister, grandma. That's sad. Bring back public hangings, caning, lopping a person's hand off if they steal. Let's see how fast the crime rates go down!
I think Lauren is surrounded by enablers. And no one checked her on her selfishness or anger. Her family and friends were complicit in letting Lauren get to this point.
i can imagine that others around her saw her anger issues but didnt or couldnt help her deal with it. Many people will just leave it alone and mind their own business. Also as an adult, its tough to force someone to get help if they dont want it.
In all seriousness, in my experience, “bad people” usually show signs early in life, not surprised she did bully kids in 2nd grade. Bullies are usually homegrown, learning it from one or both parents. Her behavior is despicable, I hope she gets locked up for a long, long time.
my bullies were all the popular girls(the kind that NEED to wear pushup bras cos they are flatter than cardboard with just as much intelligence lol). idk what they look like, cos I dont care what attention hoes do later in life. I do hope they got the worst life could offer. I mean just the worst. people who bully deserve terrible lives and to be tortured ruthlessly since they thought it okay to do so to others. I dont feel sympathy for bullies.
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 I'm pretty sure lying about her not being at their house and also not allowing the police to search the house would be either perverting the cause of justice or aiding and abetting, maybe both.
No, no, no , this was an assault on an elderly woman !!!. Even if she didn't intend to kill her, she's knew that this would cause bodily harm. It resulted in Death, the Mean Girl should be behind bars of no less than 20 years.
I think she is guilty of no more than being a total doosh bag. People like this dont realize, or care, the effect they have on people around them. Obviously she didnt intend to kill this poor woman. Split second decisions that ripple through the rest of your life. A tragedy for everyone involved.
how do we know she knew the lady was super old? I mean apparently she came from behind when she pushed Barbara. I'm not defending her, I'm just giving the POV that her lawyer will give to the jury.
@@calliew311 , Well, some new information came to light , the reason for the push might have been over the taxis. The Bully might have also, been waiting for a cab, she crossed the street, then tried to take the cab for herself, when that didn't happen, she pushed the Elderly Woman to the ground out of anger !!!.
I live in this neighborhood, the funeral is today, my heart is broken. I also work with the NYPD and have seen camera footage of Lauren and her family - I'm terrified that with her "A list" lawyers, will buy her way out. This should never have happened. I've seen footage of her (not from 2nd grade, more likely from FIT years). She's seen mocking deaf people - it's on video. Laurens behavior screams "privilege", I have very little faith that she will see justice; I'm praying that I'm wrong
I really hope she doesn't walk away from this without consequences. Then again, the amount of wealthy people getting off lightly like that afluenza kid is shocking. Too rich to know better shouldn't be a defence. The poor elderly lady and her family. To survive to 87 and pass from being assaulted on the street by that entitled angry little madam is abhorrent. I know this must be impacting all of you who live in the area too.
I hope she doesn’t get away with it and maybe due to crime & action following it she won’t. Maybe it’ll show her being socialite doesn’t mean you can get away with murder or she’ll find out not as privileged as she thinks!!! Even cruel to fiancé, cheating on him can’t believe she’s standing by her. Is she that much of a Cesspool Socialite please
Humans of ANY age can be surprisingly delicate, which is why de-escalation is such an important conflict skill. A push, a punch, a hip check, can ALL lead to manslaughter. Great job turning your bad day into a bad 20 years, Lauren 🙋♀️ RIP barbara who didnt deserve any of this
You are absolutely correct about this scenario. There was an incident at a former place of employment of mine years ago. A man confronted another man about taking his seat in the bar area. He pushed the man off his barstool, and the person hit his head on the floor and died very shortly afterwards. It was such a small moment and small violent gesture, and it had devastating consequences.
@@Sedonawhite It's when someone walks past someone else, but as they do, they forcefully bump their hip against the other person's hip, which pushes them off balance and can make them fall.
People are surprisingly short sighted when it comes to aggression. And targeting an elderly person is especially heinous. It's sad that this happened, but it sounds like someone is gonna get their comeuppance. Sometimes the bullies get theirs. "Cesspool empire"...too funny.
I respectfully disagree, Dr. Grande. If one pushes an 87-year-old onto the pavement, there is a strong likelihood that death will be the outcome of the victim's injuries.
Notice in all her pictures Barbara's truly excellent carriage. (Voice projection emphasizes the importance of posture.) Approaching her from the back, I'm betting that all Lauren saw was a trim, well-dressed, successful looking woman. It seems Lauren was angry and just wanted to lash out. Calling her that word suggests Lauren's own sense of inferiority. It shouldn't make any difference, but I'll bet Lauren never recognized how old Barbara was.
@@pricklypear7516 I don't care how healthy an 87 year old is, they look elderly from all angles. They even walk differently, as joints are less limber and muscles not as strong.
The sad truth is that most elderly people die due to a fall. I lost a dear elderly friend from my health spa who was a body builder and unfortunately took a fall walking out of a movie theatre and wound up in a nursing home dying from a broken hip. Most people do not recover and die from the injury they sustain.
The fact that Lauren and her boyfriend lived in Astoria, Queens NY is not impressive, nor is the fact that her family owned a cesspool business, and resided in Holtsville, nor that she went to FIT ( a SUNY college) This girl is a bully. evidently since 2nd grade, her behavior caused a woman to lose her life. This is the world we live in where there are no consequences for Illegal/homcicidal actions. Thank you Dr. G 🌵🌵🌵🌵
I agree. I’d be open to a different explanation if she would’ve stuck around & tried to help the woman…maybe she “bumped into her,” 83 year old women can be frail. All the more reason to HELP them, ideally before you knock them down. She didn’t even bother to stop, she knew something had happened at an intersection she’d just been at…I can’t imagine she didn’t know it could’ve been her doing. But she ran. Didn’t talk to paramedics, ask about Barbara, or provide context in case they could’ve given Barbara targeted aid. It’s extremely disturbing. Maybe she thinks she’s some kind of important because she goes to fashion shows in Manhattan. Reality - she was a middle class cashier. The only reason she was middle class was her dad’s family business (good on her dad for being a hard worker, nothing wrong with that) & money from her fiancés dad who bought their home (who was possibly an immigrant or son of an immigrant, good on him too). Not to knock the fiancé, the way Dr Grande put it, I’m guessing their physical altercation on March 10 was all her (if he was hitting her 911 would’ve prolly been called by a witness). Frankly he dodged a bullet with her going to prison (maybe literally). Also is it normal for people to have a “website” about their upcoming marriage?
@@SamS-uv2ql People break the law every day & get away with it. I see daily videos from America with people stealing sometimes tens of thousands of dollars worth of stock from shop, companies and the police do nothing. I also witness rich people getting away with many things at times even murder as their sentences are always much lower then the normal person. Lastly pushing over an elderly person as hard as you can definitely always results in serious injury if not death.
Her actions (starting in 2nd grade) are important examples of how she learned early on (in the house of the King of Cesspools) that having money meant not having to take responsibility for her actions. Why else would a grown woman hide her phone, cancel social media and run home to daddy for protection? On the other hand, the grandson of the elderly woman that died (also raised in a comfortable lifestyle) continues to make his grandmother proud by his actions. His upbringing has taught him to be fair even to the person that is charged with the death of his loved one. It just goes to show you that there are some things that money cannot buy.
Yep, the kid stuff is relevant. Poor character is formed in childhood. A bully then is likely still a bully in adulthood. I've never known anyone turn from a horrific child to a good adult.
I followed this case when it first happened. Lauren Pazienza is guilty, and her DNA is on Barbara's clothing from shoving her. She needs to do a minimum of 15 years in prison, this crime disgusted, as well as infuriated me. I saw crime scene photos of Barbara's blood on a raised curb where her head struck it. Calling her a name when she shoved her, proves that she wanted to injure her.
Elderly people are fragile. In fact, their sense of balance can be fragile. If an angry person is unfamiliar with this common characteristic in the elderly, then that is a recipe for an unintended severe injury of an older, innocent person.
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 An adult can be agitated and push an elderly person without realizing that the push can lead to a fall. It is also possible that the person doing the pushing could be unaware of the age, and physical condition, of the person being pushed.
@@bucksdiaryfan I get what you’re saying but how much more open and shut can it get.. the woman pushed her, the victim died, and she even doubled back to watch the scene unfold. Then she went MIA and deleted all traces of her online presence. She knew what she did and she knew to try to cover it up. Evading the law. She is guilty of murder IMO.
She lived long enough before help arrived to state that she had never been hit so hard in her life - this was no hip check. I watched the video of this young woman mocking the deaf - she is truly heartless
"Lauren doesn't have to let this whole manslaughter situation interfere with true love" and the way you said "true love made me spit out the water I was drinking but, thankfully, my laptop survived....honestly the way you said that was so funny it would be worth getting a new laptop...you seem such an unlikely comedian but that makes it even more delicious!
She got 8 years and 6 months finally. It is almost fine, not really such an insult because not much life got lost and of course no one expects a push on sidewalk to lead to tragic end of life. Abominal behavior of Patienza!
Same, Clive! Dr Grandes dead pan deliveries of such humour is comic genius. He could easily be a stand up comic as well as a fine crime analysist. Don't you think?
@Jay Browne 😄😄 Funny but still a sad story. And whatever we believe about Ms. Pazienza, I feel very sorry for her and for her parents. Nevermore a normal life for any of them. Her parents are most likely devastated whatever the mistakes they made in her upbringing.
I'm so glad there are people like you out there. No one should die as a result of violence, but get to their 80's and die in that manner seems especially appalling. Her family must be beside themselves with grief and anger. The elderly are so fragile and vulnerable. I hope you and your mam have much more time together.
@@michelleMc2024 I'm in my 60's, but in good health and have no problem carrying out day to day tasks such as shopping, cleaning and walking long distances. Yesterday I was standing on the pavement pondering which supermarket to do my shopping In, and a woman came up and asked me if I needed help crossing the road! I was so insulted. She obviously thought that I was senile or something. People must stop thinking that being over a certain age means being helpless.
@@catherinebirch2399 Yes you're dead right Catherine, it was ageist of me to suggest that people become automatically fragile in their later years. There are definitely people at all fitness levels at all ages. Oh Lord! The offer to help you cross the road gave me a chuckle. 60's is definitely not old especially in this day and age.
UPDATE: Lauren Pazienza, the event planner who fatally shoved the 87-year-old Broadway vocal coach Barbara Gustern to the ground in a random 2022 attack, was officially sentenced to eight and a half years in prison Friday.Oct 2, 2023
There's a difference in having a temper, where it's verbally bad, vs temper combined with physical violence. She was physically violent towards a defenseless elderly woman. That's a dangerous individual.
Very similar to what happened in Vegas some moons ago when "Cadesha Bishop took a plea deal. She was originally facing a murder charge but under the deal, she pleaded guilty to abuse of an older/vulnerable person resulting in substantial mental harm or death. Bishop, 28, was accused of pushing 74-year-old Serge Fournier off an RTC bus causing him to hit his head." She got 20 Years.
@@timothysatyr6674 No, it wasn't accidental. In 2019 she was on a bus yelling at the other passenger. Serge Fournier told her to be nice. She was behind him when it was time to get off the bus and pushed him so hard his feet didn't even touch the steps. She did this in front of her child. After she pushed him, she got off the bus with her child and walked away. He later died from his injuries. Her bail was set at 100 grand, (while Pazienza got bail for half mil) and it was revoked in 2021 after she didn't return a rented vehicle. Her sentence from the plea deal is 8-20 years.
I live in NYC and I heard that there was an argument over the cab. I have had occasions where I opened a cab door and was either pushed aside or someone climbed in as though as was opening it for them and my impression was that they thought they were being clever and that they felt that they were entitled to do this because I was not able to stop them. What they did not realize is that I gave up the cab because I value my life and I try to be reflective about my conduct for many reasons. The victim was 87 years old. Even if she wanted to retreat or let go for safety she would not have demurred fast enough for ms Pazienza’s liking. I am glad that this criminal was caught even as it probably will not provide much solace to this sparkling and generous woman’s family and friends.
good thought on possible motive.. just a random out of the blue attack, while possible, seems just weird in this case. Had to be some sort of previous argument or something. Not that it lessens the seriousness of the crime, but I like logical posts that try to understand motives.
When I was decades younger and moved to NJ, my mother and went to The City to the Met. In front of such a place, when we hailed cabs people were jumping in when we opened the cab door. Several times. When we finally managed to get in a cab we flagged, the driver told us it happens all the time. At least nobody shoved us to the ground. Opera lovers have some class.
Lauren was two blocks from the metro and, apparently, in very near proximity to her boyfriend. I'm not buying that she wanted the taxi. She wanted to hurt someone. Period.
@@alcoholya l agree with you wholeheartedly that getting the taxi was the motive. This 'entitled Karen' just shoved the other contender out of the way with vehemence because she felt disgruntled. I'm sure she never expected these kind of consequences....
So scary to be attacked out of nowhere! That poor woman! Thanks for the analysis Dr. Grande! I've been thinking about taking self defense classes for a while because I walk to work and school. This makes me want to sign up in the morning. ❤️
Yes and you should have pepper spray and maybe , MAYBE if you train with it and know it like the back of your hand , maybe think about carrying a small .22 on you just in case of the worst. Because I watch a lot of true crime and there’s so many women walking by themselves getting attacked but one or two men , which can easily over power a woman. Pepper spray is not always good enough . And a knife won’t do anything unless you have some skill in fighting and self defense, but against two people you would need to already be a badass to have a knife be anything worthwhile. But a gun can stop one or two men, plus it’s loud and would bring attention just by shooting it . Im only going on and on like this because I have a sister and that shit scares me.
@@justincraig398 I would edit some of this, but mainly the knife. Unless you are like ninja level of skill, it is more likely that you will be disarmed and stabbed yourself. The problem with being attacked is that you aren’t prepared for it. Even being trained in self defense doesn’t help much unless you continue to train, otherwise you lose in those first seconds of shock. I am by no means saying that someone shouldn’t train to protect themselves - I’m saying that you can’t take one self defense class and call it good or, worse, wield a weapon for which you have no expertise.
Do it. Sign up. It is important to take your safety into your own hands, and taking Control of your own health and well being is always a good thing. After the self defense class, my main suggestion isn’t to arm yourself (unless you have trained extensively and effectively in using that weapon AND are 100% sure that you could end another persons life), but rather to keep conditioning training and taking defense classes at regular intervals. The best way to protect yourself is to remain primed; the biggest advantage an average attacker has over you is not weaponry*, size, or strength; it’s the element of surprise. The few seconds they get is all they need to take the W. If you respond immediately, you are taking that element of surprise from them and turning it on them. *obviously if you’re in like a mass shooting or something, the element of surprise is a no brainer… in that case, just run, hide, and fight only if you have no other option at all.
The taxi theory makes sense. A woman came after me and slapped me when I took “her” parking spot at Trader Joe’s. I did not know she was waiting for that spot, and I would have moved if I’d known. She needed that spot more than I did, apparently. After she slapped me, as I was dialing the police, she drove off. I still got my shopping done. The situation stills bugs me, though, because I honestly had no idea she was waiting for the spot and I never would have taken it if I’d seen her. She appeared to be driving out of the aisle, turning right (not left, into the spot) and she did not have her directional on. I was a harried Junior High teacher with a 7 year old and a 2 year old in the back seat. She parked her car where it was, yelling the B word at me and charging at me, while I looked around trying to figure out who she was yelling at. She didn’t give me a chance to apologize.
I have had acouple events like that (lucky for me no slap)...in grocery store parking lots.....BOTH TIMES I was waiting for a car to back out....then suddenly a car whipped up from the other side (driving towards my car) and pulled quickly into the now available space. First time, I called out- "excuse me, I was waiting for the space"...the driver, a man, said "fuck you" and just walked on...the second time I just didn't react.....People are dangerous ....by the way, this was in an upscale suburban neighborhood.....
There was no taxi involved. Barbara was a walker--day or night. She was headed downtown for an event and would have sought a cab on 9th Ave, which was steps from her apartment. Heading to 8th Ave, which runs uptown, meant she was planning to walk.
She is truly evil. She didn't kill even in a robbery for food or drugs. She killed just to kill for meanness. I can't believe she didn't get more than 8 years. I hope she suffers and is bullied greatly in prison. This evil killer if a human deserves all the karma she can get
She sounds like a disgusting human being, and her disregard for others finally caught up with her. She truly was a bully! I did have to laugh though, when you said "I think it's challenging to derive any meaning from a disgruntled, anonymous second grader." 😅 Your final thoughts were incredibly well said! ♡♡
LOL her fiance is a manlet cvck. Maybe he gets off by being pushed around and intimidated by her. Personally I can't deal with narcissists. I woulda taken a baseball bat to her head as she slept one day and then put her in a 10 foot deep hole in some lonely woods. I simply don't have the patience for s - like this.
@@BlueSkyCountry That's a pretty typical reaction from someone normal who's dealt with a narcissist before, they can make any sane person think the most insidious thoughts.
I wish more people knew how fragile an 87 person can be. Falls can, sometimes, be a death sentence. Head injuries and broken bones could initiate a cascade of medical decline that is very difficult to recover. From decline in physical mobility to cognitive impairment, anything can happen to an elderly after a fall, let alone after a physical attack! What a senseless death, really sad. Great review Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️
I believe in nursing school we were made aware that falls are the primary cause of death in the elderly. In practice I have seen that “ cascade” of decline so many times. This form of egotistical entitlement is disgusting and often alters the life of many people. A death changes the life of families, friends and associates of the deceased. No punishment is enough for this horrible behavior. I do not wish Lauren well.
I've been raised to respect the elderly and I would have been punished harshly if I did otherwise and if I did this my dad would drag me to the police to turn me in. Honestly I'd rather go to jail then face my dad had I did something like that. I was raised right though. Anxious to see how this goes bc she needs to do hard time for this. Imagine living to be that old and some snot nosed brat ends you?
Even people who weren’t raised to respect the elderly don’t go out of their way to assault them. It’s a normal instinct to be protective of the elderly and frail
Being a Certified Nursing Assistant and LPN student, an 87 y/o taking a fall most likely results in death. Precautions are took even with moving from one couch to the other
I don't question that (and I certainly don't support attacking anyone, of any age), but it's really hard to guess how old a person is; in this particular case, it looks like the victim looked much younger than she was - but I don't know how old are photos of her that are available. Also she went from behind her and that probably didn't help to set some kind of age defined boundary for pushing someone...
What kind of person would shove someone to the ground? Let alone a harmless old lady? That's just...evil, I can't think of any other way to put it. The slightest little trip or fall can be fatal for the elderly.
@@howiegruwitz3173 I live in NYC and I am retired. I have always and continue to have the best experiences with some of the kindest and nicest young people. I have found them to be respectful and always willing to extend a hand. If you want to see a prime example of this. I suggest you go into any Trader Joe's in NYC and you will have the best shopping experience. They go above and beyond to help you. Please do not judge NYC by one individual who apparently has an untreated mental health disorder that should have been addressed.
@@giannajade87 I've also found Trader Joe's employees to be the best! Always friendly and helpful in places where I've lived or travelled, whether Santa Clara Valley, Philadelphia, Virginia. There must be some happiness brew or something that the TJ company knows about! 😊
@@howiegruwitz3173 It was a weird unfortunate act by a dumb rich girl. Can't explain the entitled and inherently daily violent acts by Blacks. The puke in Wisconsin running down 60 plus white people killing six. The deplorable riots and billions in damages by blacks The daily and holiday shootings in Philly and Chicago by blacks. The long list of crimes by black over paid athletes... Stand on your discriminating short sightedness . Blacks still lead in crime.
I've lived in NYC midtown for 51 years. For all of those 51 years I daily navigated the busy sidewalks of the city and never once did the thought of pushing an elderly person enter my head. Lauren has no justifiable excuse for her horrible act.
I live in Astoria, work in Manhattan. You have to really watch your back everywhere you go these days here. There are so many unstable people out there, due to a multitude of issues.
I am born, raised, live, & work here in Manhattan and must state that I agree. Honestly, I am not afraid at all ever here though perhaps I should. I often I leave for work at 5am. It's mainly the mentally ill and criminals as usual. I am still giving this Mayor Adams a chance. So far, so good. But the worst injustice is that this town will not ever again elect a Republican for mayor even though it works out brilliantly. Giuliani then first term Bloomberg for examples. A tragedy.
@@susanneacosta2966 So glad to hear someone in NYC voted for C Sliwa! 🙏🙏 I was praying he'd win but as the election drew near I wasn't optimistic. Is there any chance Sliwa runs again?
@@shaneculkin7124 Sure hope ur wrong about that! If no chance of a Repub mayor then I fear NYC is really down the tubes. And that'd be really terrible, for many reasons.
She deserves the max 25 years without parole. It's despicable to shove an elderly person. And her parents need to be charged as well for helping her to hide.
Adult human beings know that the elderly are physically different from people in their 20s. We know that their balance isn’t as good, their muscles are weaker, they have less ability to react quickly to catch themselves when they fall, and their bones may also be weaker. On top of all that, the elderly tend to have some pre-existing conditions hat can cause even further problems when they fall. This is why as a culture, we do not pick on the elderly. We try to protect them. We don’t bully them. I would argue that she knew that pushing and elderly person could cause more damage than pushing a 20 something person. I hope the jury takes that into consideration. She knew she had much more power over this woman and she used that to her advantage to harm knowing she couldn’t retaliate.
It seems that there are more and more senseless, heinous crimes being perpetrated. This one and the recent car snatching by 4 young people in which the 73 year old woman was dragged down the street causing her arm to be ripped from her torso. It sickens and saddens me.
The irony here is so great. Lauren‘s last name, in Italian, means patience. She didn’t have any. The elderly woman was not the B word here. For someone to push an elderly person to the ground was bad enough. But for her to run from it is even worse. I am from New York City. And I’ve never heard any socialite acting in such a manner. Unless I live under a rock.
@@wendytruscott1609 all socialite means is that she attended wealthy charity events and hobnobbed. No she is not old money but she comes from upper middle class
She ran because she’s a true coward no matter how much money her family has it came down to trying her save herself from being caught, pretty sure always got away with bad/spoiled behavior her whole life
"Most people would not expect a person to die from being pushed?" Any reasonably minded person would believe that pushing an 87-year-old woman may result in severe injury or death due to her age.
I don't think she had a lot of foresight, just felt her way from one situation to the next, and had little self-reflection to see how she made them all worse with her attitude and actions.
Since bullies are often 'created' in their home environment, no surprise her father wouldn't let police into their home to talk to her. He's likely the same.
People need to learn how to control their emotions. The first response should not be to hit or push. It sounds like Lauren, was in a bad mood when she came across Barbara. Barbara, may have been moving too slow for her and she, pushed her out of her way. I can't wait to see how she's punished. Cadesha Bishop, was just sentenced to 20 years, for pushing an elderly man off the bus. He also hit his head and died.
She doesn't care about anyone but herself. You can push a anyone, young or old, and caused them great bodily injury. This woman shoved this 87 year old woman with malice and her heart. The boyfriend says that he will stand by her but I wonder how long he'll really stick
Bullying may not always lead to another person's death, but it certainly has lasting and damaging effects. The difference here is not only the outcome of her actions, but the fact that she, for once, has to face the consequences.
I pray they make an example out of this evil vile selfish bully this is happening all too frequently and something needs to stop this entitlement is vile and this was criminal
So Dr Grande if this was your mother that got pushed to her death for no reason how many years would you give this monster ? 12 years ?? I don't think so .
I love "Late Night with Dr. Grande." His soothing voice is just what I need when hearing about a narcissistic socialite who shoves an elderly woman to her death.
I'm learning so much! I never knew that more than three generations of a family could get rich from actual cesspools. At first I thought the cesspool thing was a metaphor ... but maybe it is that, too.
Anything involving filth is quite rewarding financially because it's necessary to the functioning of society (unlike so many middle class jobs) and many people don't want to do it because it's not glamorous. A rubbish pick up guy earns more than many 'nice' jobs.
@@whynottalklikeapirat a time or period in which someone who did a crime and detained in a facility. The justice system is a joke and if Karen has a excellent lawyer she isn’t going to get ENOUGH time in prison.
It’s a horrible act that should have never happened. That perpetrator needs to pay the price and set an example of. But I do wish people would quit calling them the name Karen. I know so many nice gals with that name from birth who are being unfairly profiled because of it. The perpetrator should be called what she really is a ‘murderer and a disgusting poor excuse of a human being ’.
I live in NYC and the amount of random attacks against people is scary. People are literally getting shot, stabbed, assaulted randomly for absolutely no reason. I don’t even take the train anymore because I don’t feel safe. It’s like turning into the Wild West in NYC.
Politicians being soft on crime is why. Say what you will about Giuliani, but he cut crime in NYC down to the lowest rates it's had in decades. De Blasio on the other hand...
I agree she was going for the cab. I just want to mention that I saw this girl in my neighborhood (Brooklyn) a few days before. Can't miss that red hair. I noticed her mainly because she was screaming into her phone which you could hear all the way down the block. I was headed for the little French bakery (really small place) and couldn't tell where all the yelling was coming from. Just as I reached the door, she was tucked (sitting) in the door stoop right next door. I didn't go into the shop as I was curious about what she was yelling about and she was about my daughters age. I almost approached her to calm her down and ask if I could help her but she was a little bit unhinged and I thought better of it. This girl has mental problems.
This girl should've been taught decades ago how to healthily express her frustration and/or anger. omfg Harming an elderly person is just the lowest of the low. Thanks for all you do, Dr Grande. Your hard work and dedication do not go unnoticed.
I agree! Anyone who willfully harms a child, an animal, an elderly person, or anyone who cannot protect themselves deserves to be removed from society period.
George Carlin said we should move everyone out of Kansas ( giving them money for their trouble) and fence the whole state and just put criminals there!
I’ve been following this case and I’m so glad she’s been caught. I actually do find her conduct as a child to be relevant in this, that kind of callous disregard for others and cruelty often manifests quite early in people like this.
Dr. Grande's stand-up comedy (which is really sit-down comedy) is getting better all the time. He has really developed a tremendous ability to salt-and-pepper his analytical comments with dry (to the point of desert aridity) puns and other witticisms while maintaining a completely straight face.
Big disagree with Dr. Grande on this one. She should get way more than 12 years. She’s an adult who encountered a woman who is obviously elderly. You have to know that shoving someone as hard as she apparently did could result in their death or at the least a very serious injury. The fact a person could do that for no reason, or some slight reason, is enough for them to be in prison for a long time. This isn’t stealing or getting into a fight with someone your own age. She’s entitled, privileged, and thinks she can do what she wants. I hope she gets the max if they find she did this.
I agree with you, but if the law says she had to intend to do serious physical harm, it may be a hard sell to a jury. We don't know if she knew the victim was old, considering she came from behind. And as Dr. Grande said, usually a reasonable person wouldn't believe that a push would end up with the victim dying. I just have a bad feeling that she is going to get off, or that the prosecutor will lessen the charge in order to make the likelihood of getting guilty charge almost 100%.
I agree PRISCILLA 100 pct.I think life in prison is due for sure. I even think 🤔 she should get the death penalty .being such a vile crime. But I see how she tried to hide from jail. Perhaps that's really more punishment . Since she tried so hard to avoid it. Take care God bless
When I think of prison marriages, I think of the TV sitcom _Seinfeld_ and George. He married a woman convict and thought it was great; conjugal visits and then freedom from responsibilities or anything else. But then she brought news that she was to be released. George panics because he knows that his ideal set-up is about to end.
Should have married someone serving life without parole. Or death row in Texas so she doesn't get too old. (Texas probably offs more people than anywhere else except China and Afghanistan.)
@@SamS-uv2ql The applies to ANY use of force, no matter how small. A man grabbed an old lady's purse outside a liquor store, pushed her down and that was it for her. Murder with a chance for parole after 52 years. Another guy "belly bumped" his neighbor into the street, same results, same charge. Murder with chance for after 28 years. Us bailbondsmen call it the "keep your hands to yourself" law. Something we all should have learned in kindergarten, and it's a small step in the right direction. You can still come murder as many babies as you please. For some weird reason it's less illegal to kill your own offspring as it would be to kill me. As long as there was no sexual component, you'll maybe get 20 years. It's a big loophole that needs closing. A mother helped kill her baby in the most vile way possible (Look up baby Brianna, but be warned it's graphic. It's considered one of the worst cases of child abuse in United States history.) And she was a free woman in 2016. Moved to another state and given another name for her protection. Only her brother and boyfriend got any real time and that's because they raped her.
I'm 65 and walk every day. After hearing of this attack, I now wear a rear-view mirror strapped on my wrist so that I can periodically see what's behind me. I did have an incident last year where a teenager was basically stalking me and I must have felt his vibe because I turned around and he was near enough to me that I grabbed his arm. He had wrapped his t-shirt around his head so that all I could see were his eyes. I just started screaming. Don't know what his plan was but he took off running as I practically ripped my vocal chords. I always wondered how I would react to something like this. Now I know!
When my son was in kindergarten, the kids were taught: "Hands and feet to self". Basically meaning you don't have the right to reach out and hit/kick someone; try to resolve the issue with talking. Lauren's actions indicate that she knew what she had done was wrong. There should be consequences for her not keeping her hands to herself.
I respectfully disagree. If one pushes an elderly woman to the ground there is a very good chance that elderly person may die. I hope she is punished by giving her life in prison for taking the life of the sweet elderly lady that did nothing wrong.
Former classmates at the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York told DailyMail the event's coordinator, Pazienza, was prone to violence and described her as 'pure trouble' They also shared a video in which Pazienza can be seen contorting her face, screeching and speaking in a distorted voice that, they claim was her 'mocking deaf people' A former friend said Pazienza 'has no empathy,' and never showed any remorse for her bad acts during her time as a student at FIT and spoke in a derogatory manner about others. She was enabled by her parents who got her out of everything, but she called them stupid and basic,' the friend said.
lol i think i read the same article a couple hours ago on snapchat- i was delightfully surprised when i opened youtube and saw Dr Grande made a video about it lol
I knew she was a daddy's princess type, always bailed out by parents. People who behave like her always are, from childhood they learn there are no consequences to their actions. Their parents enable them and produce the ugliest of characters in their offspring.
I remember seeing this story. My takeaway is that it's really important that we don't let bad moods, short tempers, or temporary states of mind allow us to engage in this kind of behavior. This woman was just in a bad mood but she made a decision under that state that changed her life forever and ended the life of someone else. She had a bad day, and her victim had an even worse one. One bad day is the only thing that separates us from the prison and the morgue. Just remember that. We must maintain control. This kind of thing is not so different from road rage and lots of people have died or killed someone from not being able to control their emotions while driving.
"Ms. Pazienza had several glasses of wine and, after visiting a number of art galleries, took a meal purchased from a food cart into Manhattan’s Chelsea Park, a block from where the assault would then take place. When a Parks Department employee told Ms. Pazienza that she would have to leave the park because it was closing soon, she grew irate and shouted and cursed at him. She then turned and, for reasons unexplained, threw her food on to her fiancé and stormed out of the park." After that, while heading toward the subway, Pazienza inexplicably rushed across the street and shoved Gustern.
Something similar happened in New York when a tenant pushed his older landlord off the steps. They threw the book at him. Waiting to see what happens to her.
Maybe they thought there wasn't sufficient evidence for a prosecution to be successful. I agree that there is inequality in the justice system. However, you likely have something else in mind. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
I have to say - I am so blessed to have found this channel and be part of this audience. Someone commented on being sober 60 days and glad to be listening to Dr. Grande again. I always tell my friends about Dr. Grande's channel - not just because of the awesome content of the videos but because of the audience. It's so nice to be in touch with a group of people who don't have rude and nasty comments because we do not agree with each other. It's also nice to be part of this audience because if someone mentions a personal achievement such as getting sober or any other achievement the whole audience has to mention how proud they are. Positivity ALL around. Thank you for letting me be a part of this channel.
If someone wrote this woman as the villain character into a comic book the story editors would reject it as too unbelievable and over-the-top evil. I keep expecting to hear that before she pushed the old lady she had just come from spitting on orphans, and was on her way to kick puppies. And I have to think that whatever time she spends incarcerated will have to be done pretty much exclusively in segregation from the general population, because that will be the only way to keep a prison sentence from turning into capital punishment.
Calm down, she was a bully that pushed an old person. Awful behaviour, but you obviously haven't read any comic books. The baddies in these destroy whole planets, killing millions.
Well the good news is that now Lauren gets to read what everyone she's ever been around thinks about her. She may need 12 years of therapy to deal with that reality.
Due to the fact that she also had a physical altercation with her boyfriend, she was probably already fighting with her boyfriend which caused her level of anger to stew within her. She had no right or reason to assault another human… Not her boyfriend, and certainly not this poor woman who probably did beat her to the cab. Lauren probably immediately regretted her actions, but not because she hurt the woman, but because she was in trouble. I agree that 12 years is fitting, as well as a master’s level series of course work in anger management and civility.
I agree & I get the feeling her fiancé is only still with her at the moment because that fight immediately after was probably Lauren telling him what she did & blaming it all on him for upsetting her beforehand. He probably feels guilty which is why he helped her get home that night & hide after, because she may have convinced him that he would be in trouble too. I read an article I think in the NY Post where someone described her boyfriend as very nice & gentle but that he seemed afraid of Lauren because she was so manipulative towards him. It wouldn’t surprise me if she manipulated him immediately after into thinking he was in trouble too & he had to help her. And since he didn’t get in trouble she’s probably telling him how unfair it is that they’re only going after her & letting him off the hook. Like “oh so you got off scot free for something that was your fault & now you wanna leave me?” I could totally picture that craziness.
You have a good point. This woman was probably much more upset about any potential problems that this may bring HER than she was about killing someone. I think that no matter what happens legally with this tragedy, the boyfriend should think twice about getting married to this contemptible witch.
If the boyfriend has even half a dozen brain cells he should get as far away from this nasty cess-filled "ditch" as possible, right now. American is Full of nice kind women who will make great life-partners.
The fact that her father lied to the police to cover for her shows the kind of example that Lauren had set for her as a child. This is a family of people that will do anything to escape accountability. Lock her up
@@ocoolwow I hope I'm wrong. But our justice system often times doesn't care about the victims in cases like this. The killer is going to say it was an accident, and the judge will let her off.
You know I have been through a lot in life. It's basically half over at this point. I have thought a lot about how it's could end. I have thought about how many times it could have ended. But I will be goddammed if it's going to be at the whim of some asshole who just out of the blue decided to hurt me because they are having a shit day.
If this were a better world, the young lady might have asked the old woman if she needed help getting to the taxi. We should all take steps each day to create that better world for all of us to live in.
@@LadyAtolithe elderly they are not out shooting at people like the wild west hitting innocent bystanders, killing 4,year old waiting for thier McDonald's, pushing people in front of trains stabbing young ladies working thier way through college only to get stabbed and killed,yet another working at Burger King at 19 years old shot to death, sadly the list goes on. Time to head to Florida or the mountains Maybe my families life expectancy goes up. Don't blame all the elderly because of the few running the country destroying it
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 you also shouldn't revel in the misfortune of someone just because they committed a crime. Our obsession with justice is so primal. Public hangings weren't that long ago.. No one in this comment section is innocent of never being ignorant to someone. This woman just got unlucky.
This woman is as selfish as it gets she took advantage of an elderly person hope she remains locked up as long as possible. Thanks as always Dr Grande for your Analysis.
College classmates have said Lauren was a horrible person, a bully, made fun of disabled or fat people. There's a video of her mocking the way deaf people talk. Sounds like she was bully from a very young age and never changed. She only surrendered after the police came to her parents' house looking for her. Barbara seemed like a lovely person and was loved by so many. This should never have happened to her.
One would hope such evidence and testimony will be permitted at the trial (if there is one). The jury needs to understand that this may have been an accident, but it was not an innocent one.
She's a NARCISSIST
No you're not supposed to see how evil kids act. It has no bearing on their adultness lol.
I'm just speculating from my sphincter, Tard Gande
omg, poor fat people :O
Lisez cette triste et dangereuse nouvelle
Le narcissisme est un trouble psychologique qui amène la femme à tromper la victime avec des mots d'amour et de tendresse pour satisfaire son ego, alors la femme ignore la victime et cherche une nouvelle victime
La femme narcissique ne ressent pas de sympathie pour la victime, de sorte que la femme narcissique apporte souffrance et destruction grave à la vie des victimes.
Parce qu'elles tombent amoureuses, nous demandons donc aux travailleurs et aux chercheurs de trouver un remède pour les femmes narcissiques en travaillant sur la production de médicaments qui donnent l'instinct émotionnel dans le cerveau des femmes narcissiques.
(Nous vous prions de bien vouloir transmettre ces nouvelles susmentionnées ainsi que les demandes aux travailleurs des laboratoires de sciences du cerveau et des laboratoires de chimie)
"Cesspool Socialite" would be a great title for the Lifetime movie of this event.
LOL
Woot woot! Love it!
I'm loving that she's a Cesspool heiress
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100%
Ive just recently got out of an inpatient rehab, *60 days sober woot* and hearing your voice again feels like hearing an old friend! Hi Dr. Grande!
Stay strong Kat and God bless you. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
What a great achievement. Stay strong. Sending positivity from Long Island NY ☀️.
Congratulations 🎉. I had several years clean but can't put 2 days together now. So keep it goin and don't look back
Was the inpatient 60 days? A lot better than those measly ineffective month long ones
Way to go! Any suggestions for others?
She didn’t remain at the scene out of concern, she wanted to see how much trouble she was in.
Made it look really bad not turning herself in after she knew police were looking for her went into hiding her 2 weeks, scrubbed her phone??! To possibly conceal evidence , hid at parents house Dad refused to let cops search after tip. Got Lawyer then turned herself in, can’t wait to hear excuse she conjures up!!! What’s wrong with phone, in a rush to go party Come On, wasn’t walking quick enough for you? Mind her age!!!! Make me sick 🤕
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As someone who went to college with her and was close with her for about 6 months I can say she was a completely unhinged human being and her behavior pushed all her friends away, she had HORRIFIC kleptomania addiction that was very severe but the news won’t publish it because there’s no proof even though I went with her when she shop lifted a 300 purse from a Levi’s story, after all the stuff I’ve personally watched her steal o would say it was in the ballpark of 10 grand total.
Hmmm…and you were her friend and with her when she stole? I’m not sure what your point is 😂😂😂
@@68blondynka yes, she had a horrible kleptomania problem, im just sharing a different problem she had pointing towards her current erratic behavior, that's my point. she also took me to speak to the guy she cheated on her fiance with after throwing a shirt in his face and said "i have nothing to say to you" he also did heroin and spilled it all over my roommates counter
@@HolicChan The guy she cheated with did heroin? or the fiance?
@@M_Lev the guy she cheated on her fiance with did heroin, the first time me and her hung out one on one was when she dragged me with her to confront him after he said he didnt wanna date her. she said she felt used by him and wanted to confront him about it, he had left a shirt behind in her dorm room and she took it with us and she threw it in his face, said "i have nothing to say to you" and we walked away, i was embarrassed and stunned that she did that and i just followed her. she then asked me "did you see if he looked back" and i said "i didnt see anything" and then she told me he spent 4 months in rikers (oh the irony) for possession of heroin.
i went to our mutual friends dorm (this is the friend who introduced me to paz) and told her what happened, and she said "wait that must be the same guy who dumped his heroin kit on my counter earlier this morning" and i said "well i guess prison didnt help him huh?" but i was super disturbed because i had just met paz maybe 2 days prior to ask me to accompany her to do that was super weird to me. she had this weird thing about her where she treated you like a super close old friend even after just minutes of knowing her.
@@HolicChan Thank you for your testimony. Added: It sounds like this girl has borderline personality disorder, AKA, Amber Heard Disease.
She needs to get the full 25 years. And her lawyer? What a piece of work. They're overcharging her, he says. Overcharging? She just killed a person. What are they supposed to do, give her community service? This one really ticks me off because it was totally unprovoked and there's just no excuse for it.
Entitled young people these days that were never told no or was punished for doing wrong.
That and she didn't turn herself in right away. She hide like a coward.
Charging and sentencing are not the same. The lawyer isn't arguing how long she should get. He's arguing that murder shouldn't fit based on her actions. The sentencing doesn't come in until after a conviction. By the way, if the prosecutor cannot prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, she goes free completely. If her actions cannot successfully be measured up to the level of the crime she's been charged with, double jeopardy sets in, and she walks completely free without any jail time at all. Basically, you should be concerned with the charge the prosecutor has chosen to pursue. There are other possible charges that would've fit better (i.e., manslaughter). But because the prosecutor set the bar so high, it's all or nothing. Either she's convicted or she goes free. No second chances in trying someone for the same action.
@darali Understood. Still a bit insulting though, along with the claim that they're going after her because of her socio-economic status. Gonna try and sell a jury on the idea that wealthy people don't get a fair shake in the justice system or something. If this was a laughing matter, that would be the biggest joke of all.
Stop hating on lawyers doing their jobs representing their dirtbag clients to the best of their ability. Of course the lawyer is going to go to bat for their client regardless of how disgusting a person they are, that’s the nature of the right to representation in our legal system
Having suffered a traumatic brain injury, from a similar assault, a punch rather than a push, this case really fills me with so much anger.
I was punched from behind without provocation, and now have to live with a million different problems. I got a life sentence of issues, and the guy who did it got 4 years 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I am so sorry-this is an injustice !
I'm sorry to hear this as well. So unfair. I hope you can continue to heal and succeed in life.
Best of luck
I don’t know why the hell people think that punching someone in the back of the head is funny or cool or without serious injury. Brains are delicate!
I hope at least you got civil compensation from this. If not, you surely deserve it just as that assailant deserves to have a permanent hole in their pocket to remind them of what they did.
I've heard this is a common thing in New York City, to run up behind a totally innocent person and hit them in the back of the head with a fist for no reason at all. The assailants are usually black and the victims are white or Asian.
Sorry but I have no mercy on someone who attacks the elderly. She caused her death, not by accident but by intentionally and maliciously shoving her to the ground. It's not like she couldn't foresee a frail elderly woman being gravely harmed by those actions. Her actions were not on accident, as if she accidentally ran into her, no she purposely sought her out, yelled profanity at her and attacked her. Sorry but twelve years is too lenient, especially when they only truly serve half of that with good behavior. She chose the action therefore she chose the consequence. Life in prison. Maybe some true consequences will change that entitled thinking she has
Yelling profanity proves that she wanted to harm, injure her, she disgusts me.
This is not the middle ages where crowds participate in punishments and gather to watch public shaming and hanging. You sound like the Duchess in Alice in Wonderland. "Off with her head" without the slightest regard of the prison overflow situation or those having to work herding so many wily or dangerous nutjobs incapable of self control.
I agree! Throw this Heffa in jail. A monster like this is able to keep killing if she gets off. Killing an elderly person for shits & giggles. FOH!
Any way you cut it, the Princess of Caca Cuevas will get her karma.
@@valeriemacphail9180 you're right it isn't the middle ages, we've gotten soft which is why we have so many of these horrible crimes being committed by these "nutjobs". If we brought back public hangings which were to deter others from committing such crimes, then maybe we wouldn't have the crime rate we do today. Nor would we have the over populated prisons that you worry about. I'll take over populated prisons over letting these crimes go unpunished cause one day it might be your family or my family that grieves the loss of a loved one. I can't believe your concern is for the regard for the prison personele, not for the loved ones who've lost their mother, sister, grandma. That's sad. Bring back public hangings, caning, lopping a person's hand off if they steal. Let's see how fast the crime rates go down!
I think Lauren is surrounded by enablers. And no one checked her on her selfishness or anger. Her family and friends were complicit in letting Lauren get to this point.
No
i can imagine that others around her saw her anger issues but didnt or couldnt help her deal with it. Many people will just leave it alone and mind their own business. Also as an adult, its tough to force someone to get help if they dont want it.
Maybe they were afraid of her
had she been born a man, it would've been beaten out of him earlier
Friends & family aren’t responsible for a murderer.
Dr. Grande, I appreciate your show.
In all seriousness, in my experience, “bad people” usually show signs early in life, not surprised she did bully kids in 2nd grade. Bullies are usually homegrown, learning it from one or both parents. Her behavior is despicable, I hope she gets locked up for a long, long time.
Yep!! Several of my bullies are in prison now
It's not really fair to say that kids who bully others will turn out to be bad people..
my bullies were all the popular girls(the kind that NEED to wear pushup bras cos they are flatter than cardboard with just as much intelligence lol). idk what they look like, cos I dont care what attention hoes do later in life. I do hope they got the worst life could offer. I mean just the worst. people who bully deserve terrible lives and to be tortured ruthlessly since they thought it okay to do so to others. I dont feel sympathy for bullies.
@@jellytribe1493 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I second that! Bullies can destroy lives, create traumas in the lives of the bullied children.
@Karen Schultz She has a terrifying mouth and face..like a crazed marionette.
It speaks volumes that her family hid her!!! They were basically saying her bad behavior was ok. Gross.
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 I'm pretty sure lying about her not being at their house and also not allowing the police to search the house would be either perverting the cause of justice or aiding and abetting, maybe both.
Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…
Parents will obviously always protect their kids, that's kind of in the work description.
Sounds like the Laundries.
@@wilhelmhagberg4897 good thing I'm not a parent then because I would call the police myself if not dragging them to the police station
No, no, no , this was an assault on an elderly woman !!!. Even if she didn't intend to kill her, she's knew that this would cause bodily harm. It resulted in Death, the Mean Girl should be behind bars of no less than 20 years.
Life if it were up to me for this B.
I think she is guilty of no more than being a total doosh bag. People like this dont realize, or care, the effect they have on people around them. Obviously she didnt intend to kill this poor woman. Split second decisions that ripple through the rest of your life. A tragedy for everyone involved.
How about 87 years behind bars
how do we know she knew the lady was super old? I mean apparently she came from behind when she pushed Barbara. I'm not defending her, I'm just giving the POV that her lawyer will give to the jury.
@@calliew311 , Well, some new information came to light , the reason for the push might have been over the taxis. The Bully might have also, been waiting for a cab, she crossed the street, then tried to take the cab for herself, when that didn't happen, she pushed the Elderly Woman to the ground out of anger !!!.
I live in this neighborhood, the funeral is today, my heart is broken. I also work with the NYPD and have seen camera footage of Lauren and her family - I'm terrified that with her "A list" lawyers, will buy her way out.
This should never have happened.
I've seen footage of her (not from 2nd grade, more likely from FIT years). She's seen mocking deaf people - it's on video.
Laurens behavior screams "privilege", I have very little faith that she will see justice; I'm praying that I'm wrong
I really hope she doesn't walk away from this without consequences. Then again, the amount of wealthy people getting off lightly like that afluenza kid is shocking. Too rich to know better shouldn't be a defence. The poor elderly lady and her family. To survive to 87 and pass from being assaulted on the street by that entitled angry little madam is abhorrent. I know this must be impacting all of you who live in the area too.
@@michelleMc2024 Totally agree with you. These soft, corruptible prosecutors are not helping things either
I hope she doesn’t get away with it and maybe due to crime & action following it she won’t. Maybe it’ll show her being socialite doesn’t mean you can get away with murder or she’ll find out not as privileged as she thinks!!! Even cruel to fiancé, cheating on him can’t believe she’s standing by her. Is she that much of a Cesspool Socialite please
I think Lauren could be housed with Det. Stefanie Lazarus( karma).
A despicable act. Still a bully it seems.
Thanks for the analysis on this story. You always put things succinctly and I enjoy your even tone.
Humans of ANY age can be surprisingly delicate, which is why de-escalation is such an important conflict skill. A push, a punch, a hip check, can ALL lead to manslaughter. Great job turning your bad day into a bad 20 years, Lauren 🙋♀️ RIP barbara who didnt deserve any of this
You are absolutely correct about this scenario. There was an incident at a former place of employment of mine years ago. A man confronted another man about taking his seat in the bar area. He pushed the man off his barstool, and the person hit his head on the floor and died very shortly afterwards. It was such a small moment and small violent gesture, and it had devastating consequences.
Yes so true you never know.....but what is a hip check?
@@Sedonawhite It's when someone walks past someone else, but as they do, they forcefully bump their hip against the other person's hip, which pushes them off balance and can make them fall.
@@Naptosis thank you for explaining 🙏
People are surprisingly short sighted when it comes to aggression. And targeting an elderly person is especially heinous. It's sad that this happened, but it sounds like someone is gonna get their comeuppance. Sometimes the bullies get theirs.
"Cesspool empire"...too funny.
I respectfully disagree, Dr. Grande. If one pushes an 87-year-old onto the pavement, there is a strong likelihood that death will be the outcome of the victim's injuries.
Notice in all her pictures Barbara's truly excellent carriage. (Voice projection emphasizes the importance of posture.) Approaching her from the back, I'm betting that all Lauren saw was a trim, well-dressed, successful looking woman. It seems Lauren was angry and just wanted to lash out. Calling her that word suggests Lauren's own sense of inferiority. It shouldn't make any difference, but I'll bet Lauren never recognized how old Barbara was.
@@pricklypear7516 I don't care how healthy an 87 year old is, they look elderly from all angles. They even walk differently, as joints are less limber and muscles not as strong.
Especially head injuries.
Broken hips end women's lives way too early. And if one survives, they are prone to cognitive decline.
The sad truth is that most elderly people die due to a fall. I lost a dear elderly friend from my health spa who was a body builder and unfortunately took a fall walking out
of a movie theatre and wound up in a nursing home dying from a broken hip. Most people do not recover and die from the injury they sustain.
The fact that Lauren and her boyfriend lived in Astoria, Queens NY is not impressive, nor is the fact that her family owned a cesspool business, and resided in Holtsville, nor that she went to FIT ( a SUNY college)
This girl is a bully. evidently since 2nd grade, her behavior caused a woman to lose her life. This is the world we live in where there are no consequences for
Illegal/homcicidal actions.
Thank you Dr. G 🌵🌵🌵🌵
I agree. I’d be open to a different explanation if she would’ve stuck around & tried to help the woman…maybe she “bumped into her,” 83 year old women can be frail. All the more reason to HELP them, ideally before you knock them down. She didn’t even bother to stop, she knew something had happened at an intersection she’d just been at…I can’t imagine she didn’t know it could’ve been her doing. But she ran. Didn’t talk to paramedics, ask about Barbara, or provide context in case they could’ve given Barbara targeted aid. It’s extremely disturbing. Maybe she thinks she’s some kind of important because she goes to fashion shows in Manhattan. Reality - she was a middle class cashier. The only reason she was middle class was her dad’s family business (good on her dad for being a hard worker, nothing wrong with that) & money from her fiancés dad who bought their home (who was possibly an immigrant or son of an immigrant, good on him too). Not to knock the fiancé, the way Dr Grande put it, I’m guessing their physical altercation on March 10 was all her (if he was hitting her 911 would’ve prolly been called by a witness). Frankly he dodged a bullet with her going to prison (maybe literally).
Also is it normal for people to have a “website” about their upcoming marriage?
How do you know there are no consequences?
There are absolutely consequences for doing illegal things. You should watch more videos of this creator!
@@SamS-uv2ql People break the law every day & get away with it. I see daily videos from America with people stealing sometimes tens of thousands of dollars worth of stock from shop, companies and the police do nothing. I also witness rich people getting away with many things at times even murder as their sentences are always much lower then the normal person. Lastly pushing over an elderly person as hard as you can definitely always results in serious injury if not death.
@@michellestewart8049 The fact that people avoid the consequences don't mean there aren't any.
I laughed so hard when the Gr.2 classmate was first mentioned. Oh my God that made my morning for sure 😂😂😂😂
Her actions (starting in 2nd grade) are important examples of how she learned early on (in the house of the King of Cesspools) that having money meant not having to take responsibility for her actions. Why else would a grown woman hide her phone, cancel social media and run home to daddy for protection? On the other hand, the grandson of the elderly woman that died (also raised in a comfortable lifestyle) continues to make his grandmother proud by his actions. His upbringing has taught him to be fair even to the person that is charged with the death of his loved one. It just goes to show you that there are some things that money cannot buy.
Yep, the kid stuff is relevant. Poor character is formed in childhood. A bully then is likely still a bully in adulthood. I've never known anyone turn from a horrific child to a good adult.
I followed this case when it first happened. Lauren Pazienza is guilty, and her DNA is on Barbara's clothing from shoving her. She needs to do a minimum of 15 years in prison, this crime disgusted, as well as infuriated me. I saw crime scene photos of Barbara's blood on a raised curb where her head struck it. Calling her a name when she shoved her, proves that she wanted to injure her.
Elderly people are fragile. In fact, their sense of balance can be fragile. If an angry person is unfamiliar with this common characteristic in the elderly, then that is a recipe for an unintended severe injury of an older, innocent person.
All over a cab 😠
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 An adult can be agitated and push an elderly person without realizing that the push can lead to a fall. It is also possible that the person doing the pushing could be unaware of the age, and physical condition, of the person being pushed.
@@bucksdiaryfan I get what you’re saying but how much more open and shut can it get.. the woman pushed her, the victim died, and she even doubled back to watch the scene unfold. Then she went MIA and deleted all traces of her online presence. She knew what she did and she knew to try to cover it up. Evading the law. She is guilty of murder IMO.
@@Christian-eu6un yep. She knew it and enjoyed it.
Like a narcissist usually does, Lauren called her victim a Bitch. And told on herself. I hope she gets a lot more time than 15 yrs.
It’s interesting too that they are ostensibly from the same social class; like, this woman has worked with Broadway stars, who the f*** are you?
Psychological projection.
Life if it were up to me.
Female dogs are so much better than this thing!
Let's hope justice prevails in this case of apparently callous, pointless violence.
She lived long enough before help arrived to state that she had never been hit so hard in her life - this was no hip check. I watched the video of this young woman mocking the deaf - she is truly heartless
Her rich family will no doubt pay for a lawyer that will be sure to get her the least amount of time. Absolutely disgusting woman.
There will be more drama, I am sure. Much like with the Murdaugh family.
The attacker has a terrifying face, like a crazed marionette..Huge toothy mouth and crazy eyes.
"Lauren doesn't have to let this whole manslaughter situation interfere with true love" and the way you said "true love made me spit out the water I was drinking but, thankfully, my laptop survived....honestly the way you said that was so funny it would be worth getting a new laptop...you seem such an unlikely comedian but that makes it even more delicious!
Well, she got 8 years in a plea deal. The sentence an insult. I feel so sad for the victims family and friends. She murdered that woman.
She got 8 years and 6 months finally. It is almost fine, not really such an insult because not much life got lost and of course no one expects a push on sidewalk to lead to tragic end of life. Abominal behavior of Patienza!
Shame on the prosecutor for accepting those terms.
"We all make choices, but in the end our choices make us." - Andrew Ryan
Gonna have to do another Bioshock playthrough
The memories!!!
“Would you kindly”
You might’ve just changed my life with this quote, lol
" There are plenty of reasons for failure, but no excuses" R E Leahey . circa 1979
Very wise words.
"This does of course limit the venue options.. as in there aren't any" I laughed out loud to that one! :D
Same, Clive! Dr Grandes dead pan deliveries of such humour is comic genius. He could easily be a stand up comic as well as a fine crime analysist. Don't you think?
@@beanbeanster7219 got my vote! I loved the whole commentary he did on this one..manages to maintain dignity at same time..that's quite an art
@Jay Browne Dessert will be Raman noodle cake
He had a few funny ones 🤣😂
@Jay Browne 😄😄 Funny but still a sad story. And whatever we believe about Ms. Pazienza, I feel very sorry for her and for her parents. Nevermore a normal life for any of them. Her parents are most likely devastated whatever the mistakes they made in her upbringing.
My mom is 89, I'm 65, I go everywhere with my mother because of people like this evil woman.
I'm so glad there are people like you out there. No one should die as a result of violence, but get to their 80's and die in that manner seems especially appalling. Her family must be beside themselves with grief and anger. The elderly are so fragile and vulnerable. I hope you and your mam have much more time together.
@@michelleMc2024 Not all elderly are fragile some are bodybuilders and runners. It's a matter of genetics and lifestyle.
@@catherinebirch2399 yeah that's very true.
@@michelleMc2024 I'm in my 60's, but in good health and have no problem carrying out day to day tasks such as shopping, cleaning and walking long distances. Yesterday I was standing on the pavement pondering which supermarket to do my shopping In, and a woman came up and asked me if I needed help crossing the road! I was so insulted. She obviously thought that I was senile or something. People must stop thinking that being over a certain age means being helpless.
@@catherinebirch2399 Yes you're dead right Catherine, it was ageist of me to suggest that people become automatically fragile in their later years. There are definitely people at all fitness levels at all ages. Oh Lord! The offer to help you cross the road gave me a chuckle. 60's is definitely not old especially in this day and age.
UPDATE: Lauren Pazienza, the event planner who fatally shoved the 87-year-old Broadway vocal coach Barbara Gustern to the ground in a random 2022 attack, was officially sentenced to eight and a half years in prison Friday.Oct 2, 2023
There's a difference in having a temper, where it's verbally bad, vs temper combined with physical violence. She was physically violent towards a defenseless elderly woman. That's a dangerous individual.
Very similar to what happened in Vegas some moons ago when
"Cadesha Bishop took a plea deal. She was originally facing a murder charge but under the deal, she pleaded guilty to abuse of an older/vulnerable person resulting in substantial mental harm or death. Bishop, 28, was accused of pushing 74-year-old Serge Fournier off an RTC bus causing him to hit his head."
She got 20 Years.
goddamn, was it an accidental push? I hope te old guy was ok
@@timothysatyr6674 She was originally facing a murder charge so I am guessing the old guy wasn't ok unfortunately.
@@timothysatyr6674 No, it wasn't accidental. In 2019 she was on a bus yelling at the other passenger. Serge Fournier told her to be nice. She was behind him when it was time to get off the bus and pushed him so hard his feet didn't even touch the steps. She did this in front of her child. After she pushed him, she got off the bus with her child and walked away. He later died from his injuries. Her bail was set at 100 grand, (while Pazienza got bail for half mil) and it was revoked in 2021 after she didn't return a rented vehicle. Her sentence from the plea deal is 8-20 years.
20 years is more appropriate.👍
@@Seraphim4190 And poor Serge lost his life.
I live in NYC and I heard that there was an argument over the cab. I have had occasions where I opened a cab door and was either pushed aside or someone climbed in as though as was opening it for them and my impression was that they thought they were being clever and that they felt that they were entitled to do this because I was not able to stop them. What they did not realize is that I gave up the cab because I value my life and I try to be reflective about my conduct for many reasons. The victim was 87 years old. Even if she wanted to retreat or let go for safety she would not have demurred fast enough for ms Pazienza’s liking. I am glad that this criminal was caught even as it probably will not provide much solace to this sparkling and generous woman’s family and friends.
good thought on possible motive.. just a random out of the blue attack, while possible, seems just weird in this case. Had to be some sort of previous argument or something. Not that it lessens the seriousness of the crime, but I like logical posts that try to understand motives.
When I was decades younger and moved to NJ, my mother and went to The City to the Met. In front of such a place, when we hailed cabs people were jumping in when we opened the cab door. Several times. When we finally managed to get in a cab we flagged, the driver told us it happens all the time. At least nobody shoved us to the ground. Opera lovers have some class.
Lauren was two blocks from the metro and, apparently, in very near proximity to her boyfriend. I'm not buying that she wanted the taxi. She wanted to hurt someone. Period.
@@alcoholya l agree with you wholeheartedly that getting the taxi was the motive. This 'entitled Karen' just shoved the other contender out of the way with vehemence because she felt disgruntled. I'm sure she never expected these kind of consequences....
Many N Y cabbies are clinically insane😃
So scary to be attacked out of nowhere! That poor woman! Thanks for the analysis Dr. Grande! I've been thinking about taking self defense classes for a while because I walk to work and school. This makes me want to sign up in the morning. ❤️
Yes and you should have pepper spray and maybe , MAYBE if you train with it and know it like the back of your hand , maybe think about carrying a small .22 on you just in case of the worst. Because I watch a lot of true crime and there’s so many women walking by themselves getting attacked but one or two men , which can easily over power a woman. Pepper spray is not always good enough . And a knife won’t do anything unless you have some skill in fighting and self defense, but against two people you would need to already be a badass to have a knife be anything worthwhile. But a gun can stop one or two men, plus it’s loud and would bring attention just by shooting it . Im only going on and on like this because I have a sister and that shit scares me.
@@justincraig398 I would edit some of this, but mainly the knife. Unless you are like ninja level of skill, it is more likely that you will be disarmed and stabbed yourself. The problem with being attacked is that you aren’t prepared for it. Even being trained in self defense doesn’t help much unless you continue to train, otherwise you lose in those first seconds of shock.
I am by no means saying that someone shouldn’t train to protect themselves - I’m saying that you can’t take one self defense class and call it good or, worse, wield a weapon for which you have no expertise.
@@justincraig398 Are you honestly encouraging her her to carry a gun?
No wonder your country is a bullet flying nightmare.
Do it. Sign up. It is important to take your safety into your own hands, and taking Control of your own health and well being is always a good thing. After the self defense class, my main suggestion isn’t to arm yourself (unless you have trained extensively and effectively in using that weapon AND are 100% sure that you could end another persons life), but rather to keep conditioning training and taking defense classes at regular intervals. The best way to protect yourself is to remain primed; the biggest advantage an average attacker has over you is not weaponry*, size, or strength; it’s the element of surprise. The few seconds they get is all they need to take the W. If you respond immediately, you are taking that element of surprise from them and turning it on them.
*obviously if you’re in like a mass shooting or something, the element of surprise is a no brainer… in that case, just run, hide, and fight only if you have no other option at all.
@@justincraig398 Both pepper spray and carrying a gun or knife is illegal here in NYC. They’re also dangerous as they can be used against us. 😕
The taxi theory makes sense. A woman came after me and slapped me when I took “her” parking spot at Trader Joe’s. I did not know she was waiting for that spot, and I would have moved if I’d known. She needed that spot more than I did, apparently. After she slapped me, as I was dialing the police, she drove off. I still got my shopping done. The situation stills bugs me, though, because I honestly had no idea she was waiting for the spot and I never would have taken it if I’d seen her. She appeared to be driving out of the aisle, turning right (not left, into the spot) and she did not have her directional on. I was a harried Junior High teacher with a 7 year old and a 2 year old in the back seat. She parked her car where it was, yelling the B word at me and charging at me, while I looked around trying to figure out who she was yelling at. She didn’t give me a chance to apologize.
There is no excuse for initiating assault and battery! The woman was way out of line.
I have had acouple events like that (lucky for me no slap)...in grocery store parking lots.....BOTH TIMES I was waiting for a car to back out....then suddenly a car whipped up from the other side (driving towards my car) and pulled quickly into the now available space. First time, I called out- "excuse me, I was waiting for the space"...the driver, a man, said "fuck you" and just walked on...the second time I just didn't react.....People are dangerous ....by the way, this was in an upscale suburban neighborhood.....
If you were in atl you would have been shot,people are going insane
I'm really sorry that happened to you, especially with your children there. That is so disgusting and in *no way* your fault!
There was no taxi involved. Barbara was a walker--day or night. She was headed downtown for an event and would have sought a cab on 9th Ave, which was steps from her apartment. Heading to 8th Ave, which runs uptown, meant she was planning to walk.
She is truly evil. She didn't kill even in a robbery for food or drugs. She killed just to kill for meanness. I can't believe she didn't get more than 8 years. I hope she suffers and is bullied greatly in prison. This evil killer if a human deserves all the karma she can get
She sounds like a disgusting human being, and her disregard for others finally caught up with her. She truly was a bully!
I did have to laugh though, when you said "I think it's challenging to derive any meaning from a disgruntled, anonymous second grader." 😅
Your final thoughts were incredibly well said! ♡♡
I think the actual quote from the second graders was, "She's a doodoo head!".
@@MasterMalrubius bhahahaha 💩💩🤣🤣🤣
LOL her fiance is a manlet cvck. Maybe he gets off by being pushed around and intimidated by her. Personally I can't deal with narcissists. I woulda taken a baseball bat to her head as she slept one day and then put her in a 10 foot deep hole in some lonely woods. I simply don't have the patience for s - like this.
@@BlueSkyCountry Wow...that is a very....detailed and descriptive recounting of how you would've handled the situation. Lol
@@BlueSkyCountry That's a pretty typical reaction from someone normal who's dealt with a narcissist before, they can make any sane person think the most insidious thoughts.
I wish more people knew how fragile an 87 person can be. Falls can, sometimes, be a death sentence. Head injuries and broken bones could initiate a cascade of medical decline that is very difficult to recover. From decline in physical mobility to cognitive impairment, anything can happen to an elderly after a fall, let alone after a physical attack! What a senseless death, really sad.
Great review Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️
I am not sure how anybody couldn't know how fragile an elderly person is. She was clearly too self-centered to care.
Yes a lot of us have fragile bones ,take blood thinners etc
Yeah, it is sad. I'm happy Lauren will rot in prison, lose her best years.
I believe in nursing school we were made aware that falls are the primary cause of death in the elderly. In practice I have seen that “ cascade” of decline so many times. This form of egotistical entitlement is disgusting and often alters the life of many people. A death changes the life of families, friends and associates of the deceased. No punishment is enough for this horrible behavior. I do not wish Lauren well.
I've been raised to respect the elderly and I would have been punished harshly if I did otherwise and if I did this my dad would drag me to the police to turn me in. Honestly I'd rather go to jail then face my dad had I did something like that. I was raised right though. Anxious to see how this goes bc she needs to do hard time for this. Imagine living to be that old and some snot nosed brat ends you?
Even people who weren’t raised to respect the elderly don’t go out of their way to assault them. It’s a normal instinct to be protective of the elderly and frail
Facts! Elderly people are like children too! This attack was unprovoked. The look on her face too. No emotion, disregard for human life.
I think she's a psychopath. She's dangerous. After prison, she'll be even more manipulative and transactional.
She's done this before, so it's an established pattern. 😟
It'd be bad enough to call her a bi7ch. I think she really is a psychopath, triggered because the old woman did or didn't look at her or something.
Can we just stop and appreciate Dr. Grande's cloak-and-dagger sense of humor? That wedding venue joke caught me off guard. LOL
me too. Hilarious
Being a Certified Nursing Assistant and LPN student, an 87 y/o taking a fall most likely results in death. Precautions are took even with moving from one couch to the other
I don't question that (and I certainly don't support attacking anyone, of any age), but it's really hard to guess how old a person is; in this particular case, it looks like the victim looked much younger than she was - but I don't know how old are photos of her that are available. Also she went from behind her and that probably didn't help to set some kind of age defined boundary for pushing someone...
What kind of person would shove someone to the ground? Let alone a harmless old lady?
That's just...evil, I can't think of any other way to put it.
The slightest little trip or fall can be fatal for the elderly.
NYC American White female in her 20s.
@@howiegruwitz3173 I live in NYC and I am retired. I have always and continue to have the best experiences with some of the kindest and nicest young people.
I have found them to be respectful and always willing to extend a hand. If you want to see a prime example of this. I suggest you go into any Trader Joe's in
NYC and you will have the best shopping experience. They go above and beyond to help you. Please do not judge NYC by one individual who apparently has an
untreated mental health disorder that should have been addressed.
@@giannajade87 I've also found Trader Joe's employees to be the best! Always friendly and helpful in places where I've lived or travelled, whether Santa Clara Valley, Philadelphia, Virginia. There must be some happiness brew or something that the TJ company knows about! 😊
@@howiegruwitz3173 It was a weird unfortunate act by a dumb rich girl.
Can't explain the entitled and inherently daily violent acts by
Blacks.
The puke in Wisconsin running down 60 plus white people killing six.
The deplorable riots and billions in damages by blacks
The daily and holiday shootings in Philly and Chicago by blacks.
The long list of crimes by black over paid athletes...
Stand on your discriminating short sightedness . Blacks still lead in crime.
I've lived in NYC midtown for 51 years. For all of those 51 years I daily navigated the busy sidewalks of the city and never once did the thought of pushing an elderly person enter my head. Lauren has no justifiable excuse for her horrible act.
I live in Astoria, work in Manhattan. You have to really watch your back everywhere you go these days here. There are so many unstable people out there, due to a multitude of issues.
I am born, raised, live, & work here in Manhattan and must state that I agree. Honestly, I am not afraid at all ever here though perhaps I should. I often I leave for work at 5am.
It's mainly the mentally ill and criminals as usual. I am still giving this Mayor Adams a chance. So far, so good. But the worst injustice is that this town will not ever again elect a Republican for mayor even though it works out brilliantly. Giuliani then first term Bloomberg for examples.
A tragedy.
Oh,.... We have like the exact same subscriptions to the same channels. I found that funny.
@@shaneculkin7124 I voted Sliwa but I'm giving Adams a chance.
@@susanneacosta2966 So glad to hear someone in NYC voted for C Sliwa! 🙏🙏 I was praying he'd win but as the election drew near I wasn't optimistic. Is there any chance Sliwa runs again?
@@shaneculkin7124 Sure hope ur wrong about that! If no chance of a Repub mayor then I fear NYC is really down the tubes. And that'd be really terrible, for many reasons.
She deserves the max 25 years without parole. It's despicable to shove an elderly person. And her parents need to be charged as well for helping her to hide.
Adult human beings know that the elderly are physically different from people in their 20s. We know that their balance isn’t as good, their muscles are weaker, they have less ability to react quickly to catch themselves when they fall, and their bones may also be weaker. On top of all that, the elderly tend to have some pre-existing conditions hat can cause even further problems when they fall. This is why as a culture, we do not pick on the elderly. We try to protect them. We don’t bully them. I would argue that she knew that pushing and elderly person could cause more damage than pushing a 20 something person. I hope the jury takes that into consideration. She knew she had much more power over this woman and she used that to her advantage to harm knowing she couldn’t retaliate.
When Dr Grande said that her father owned a 'cesspool company," I immediately thought of Tony Soprano saying that he worked in " waste management."
It seems that there are more and more senseless, heinous crimes being perpetrated. This one and the recent car snatching by 4 young people in which the 73 year old woman was dragged down the street causing her arm to be ripped from her torso. It sickens and saddens me.
true. 2% sick puppies out there. Once they think no one is watching, look out.
I’m going to have nightmares tonight …if I can sleep at all.
The car jacking was one of the most shocking and disgusting things I've heard about recently. How horrifying..
@@timewa851 PLEASE....PLEASE QUIT CALLING "EVIL" PEOPLE "SICK!"...
THEY'RE FREAKING EVIL‼️🤬
PLEASE 🥺
Where did the car snatching incident happen? I can't find it. Thank you very much for your guidance in advance.
The irony here is so great. Lauren‘s last name, in Italian, means patience. She didn’t have any. The elderly woman was not the B word here. For someone to push an elderly person to the ground was bad enough. But for her to run from it is even worse. I am from New York City. And I’ve never heard any socialite acting in such a manner. Unless I live under a rock.
Other irony- she evidently comes from a long line of cesspool makers.
She’s no socialite, based on her background. We also don’t know what any given « socialite » is capable of doing.
@@wendytruscott1609 all socialite means is that she attended wealthy charity events and hobnobbed. No she is not old money but she comes from upper middle class
Right? I picked up on that too.
She ran because she’s a true coward no matter how much money her family has it came down to trying her save herself from being caught, pretty sure always got away with bad/spoiled behavior her whole life
"Most people would not expect a person to die from being pushed?" Any reasonably minded person would believe that pushing an 87-year-old woman may result in severe injury or death due to her age.
I don't think she had a lot of foresight, just felt her way from one situation to the next, and had little self-reflection to see how she made them all worse with her attitude and actions.
Yeah, she was looking to murder by push.
Don't be an 1d10t
Since bullies are often 'created' in their home environment, no surprise her father wouldn't let police into their home to talk to her. He's likely the same.
People need to learn how to control their emotions. The first response should not be to hit or push. It sounds like Lauren, was in a bad mood when she came across Barbara. Barbara, may have been moving too slow for her and she, pushed her out of her way. I can't wait to see how she's punished. Cadesha Bishop, was just sentenced to 20 years, for pushing an elderly man off the bus. He also hit his head and died.
Lauren is rich and white. Chance of her doing time is small.
Execution is in order for this killer.
She crossed the street to do it!
@@michaelplunkett5124 Yeah, but her victim is also a white woman. A woman well liked and loved. She'll get some time.
She doesn't care about anyone but herself. You can push a anyone, young or old, and caused them great bodily injury. This woman shoved this 87 year old woman with malice and her heart. The boyfriend says that he will stand by her but I wonder how long he'll really stick
Bullying may not always lead to another person's death, but it certainly has lasting and damaging effects. The difference here is not only the outcome of her actions, but the fact that she, for once, has to face the consequences.
Karma's a you know what.
I pray they make an example out of this evil vile selfish bully this is happening all too frequently and something needs to stop this entitlement is vile and this was criminal
*In Oregon, DeFend YourseLf from Forced Entry Intruders & DO 38-years of Lock Up!!!!*
It wasn’t bullying,she assaulted the lady.She’s a psychopath.
So Dr Grande if this was your mother that got pushed to her death for no reason how many years would you give this monster ? 12 years ?? I don't think so .
I love "Late Night with Dr. Grande." His soothing voice is just what I need when hearing about a narcissistic socialite who shoves an elderly woman to her death.
David - We do like our true crime served up with a pinch of humor and a calm demeanor!
Bingo
Pushing a frail and slight 87 year old woman from BEHIND is definitely an intent to injure.
Her fiancé better run for his life . This culture of violence is absolutely insane. Beyond disturbing 😞
I'm learning so much! I never knew that more than three generations of a family could get rich from actual cesspools. At first I thought the cesspool thing was a metaphor ... but maybe it is that, too.
Filth brings lots of profits. I think the metaphor is spot on. Ancestors became rich on filth, raised a daughter who is filth.
Anything involving filth is quite rewarding financially because it's necessary to the functioning of society (unlike so many middle class jobs) and many people don't want to do it because it's not glamorous. A rubbish pick up guy earns more than many 'nice' jobs.
Unbelievable! I think she won’t get enough time as she is a Karen who has no remorse on what she did. R.I.P. for that poor lady, and her family.
Enough time for what?
@@whynottalklikeapirat a time or period in which someone who did a crime and detained in a facility. The justice system is a joke and if Karen has a excellent lawyer she isn’t going to get ENOUGH time in prison.
@@nellyismotivated7839 Lol that actually didn’t answer the question at all …
@@whynottalklikeapirat right.
It’s a horrible act that should have never happened.
That perpetrator needs to pay the price and set an example of.
But I do wish people would quit calling them the name Karen. I know so many nice gals with that name from birth who are being unfairly profiled because of it.
The perpetrator should be called what she really is a ‘murderer and a disgusting poor excuse of a human being ’.
Love Dr. Grande... Idk how I found him but glad I did.
Same
My love of psychology, true crime, and soft monotone sarcasm finally lead my algorithm to my perfect crossover
You popped up in my recommended - I absolutely love your dry humor. I really do lol.
I also think your analysis is pretty cool, too ;-) .
I live in NYC and the amount of random attacks against people is scary. People are literally getting shot, stabbed, assaulted randomly for absolutely no reason. I don’t even take the train anymore because I don’t feel safe. It’s like turning into the Wild West in NYC.
Politicians being soft on crime is why. Say what you will about Giuliani, but he cut crime in NYC down to the lowest rates it's had in decades. De Blasio on the other hand...
I agree she was going for the cab. I just want to mention that I saw this girl in my neighborhood (Brooklyn) a few days before. Can't miss that red hair. I noticed her mainly because she was screaming into her phone which you could hear all the way down the block. I was headed for the little French bakery (really small place) and couldn't tell where all the yelling was coming from. Just as I reached the door, she was tucked (sitting) in the door stoop right next door. I didn't go into the shop as I was curious about what she was yelling about and she was about my daughters age. I almost approached her to calm her down and ask if I could help her but she was a little bit unhinged and I thought better of it. This girl has mental problems.
No way! It’s a small world, even when living in a city with millions of ppl in it like NY! It might’ve been a good thing that you didn’t approach her.
It's probably a good thing you didn't approach her.
Sure lady 👌🙄
This girl should've been taught decades ago how to healthily express her frustration and/or anger. omfg Harming an elderly person is just the lowest of the low.
Thanks for all you do, Dr Grande. Your hard work and dedication do not go unnoticed.
There's a special place in hell for people who attack the elderly. What a monster she is!!!
I would rather a special please in Narnia, much colder.
I agree! Anyone who willfully harms a child, an animal, an elderly person, or anyone who cannot protect themselves deserves to be removed from society period.
George Carlin said we should move everyone out of Kansas ( giving them money for their trouble) and fence the whole state and just put criminals there!
I’ve been following this case and I’m so glad she’s been caught. I actually do find her conduct as a child to be relevant in this, that kind of callous disregard for others and cruelty often manifests quite early in people like this.
Dr. Grande's stand-up comedy (which is really sit-down comedy) is getting better all the time. He has really developed a tremendous ability to salt-and-pepper his analytical comments with dry (to the point of desert aridity) puns and other witticisms while maintaining a completely straight face.
Big disagree with Dr. Grande on this one. She should get way more than 12 years. She’s an adult who encountered a woman who is obviously elderly. You have to know that shoving someone as hard as she apparently did could result in their death or at the least a very serious injury. The fact a person could do that for no reason, or some slight reason, is enough for them to be in prison for a long time. This isn’t stealing or getting into a fight with someone your own age. She’s entitled, privileged, and thinks she can do what she wants. I hope she gets the max if they find she did this.
I agree ... she should get 25 to life for the disgusting and craven act of violence against an 87 yr old woman- for no justifiable reason at ALL!!!!
I agree with you, but if the law says she had to intend to do serious physical harm, it may be a hard sell to a jury. We don't know if she knew the victim was old, considering she came from behind. And as Dr. Grande said, usually a reasonable person wouldn't believe that a push would end up with the victim dying. I just have a bad feeling that she is going to get off, or that the prosecutor will lessen the charge in order to make the likelihood of getting guilty charge almost 100%.
If they incarcerate her longer she won’t be able to reproduce when she gets out. A win for society.
I agree PRISCILLA 100 pct.I think life in prison is due for sure. I even think 🤔 she should get the death penalty .being such a vile crime. But I see how she tried to hide from jail. Perhaps that's really more punishment . Since she tried so hard to avoid it. Take care God bless
She should get a life sentence, she is a menace to society.
When I think of prison marriages, I think of the TV sitcom _Seinfeld_ and George. He married a woman convict and thought it was great; conjugal visits and then freedom from responsibilities or anything else. But then she brought news that she was to be released. George panics because he knows that his ideal set-up is about to end.
Saw it the other night!! So funny!
Should have married someone serving life without parole. Or death row in Texas so she doesn't get too old. (Texas probably offs more people than anywhere else except China and Afghanistan.)
the fiance has mental issues too. Normal person wouldnt get invovled with someone like Lauren
That's considered a one punch homicide in New Mexico and it can get you a life sentence. Temper, temper.
Same in Australia now. Good! 👵👵👵🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
She didn't punch anyone so no it wouldn't be.
A punch is much more likely to injury someone than a push, so the crime is worse.
@@gonefishing167 King hit crew
I like that law!
@@SamS-uv2ql The applies to ANY use of force, no matter how small. A man grabbed an old lady's purse outside a liquor store, pushed her down and that was it for her. Murder with a chance for parole after 52 years. Another guy "belly bumped" his neighbor into the street, same results, same charge. Murder with chance for after 28 years. Us bailbondsmen call it the "keep your hands to yourself" law. Something we all should have learned in kindergarten, and it's a small step in the right direction.
You can still come murder as many babies as you please. For some weird reason it's less illegal to kill your own offspring as it would be to kill me. As long as there was no sexual component, you'll maybe get 20 years. It's a big loophole that needs closing.
A mother helped kill her baby in the most vile way possible (Look up baby Brianna, but be warned it's graphic. It's considered one of the worst cases of child abuse in United States history.) And she was a free woman in 2016. Moved to another state and given another name for her protection. Only her brother and boyfriend got any real time and that's because they raped her.
I'm 65 and walk every day. After hearing of this attack, I now wear a rear-view mirror strapped on my wrist so that I can periodically see what's behind me. I did have an incident last year where a teenager was basically stalking me and I must have felt his vibe because I turned around and he was near enough to me that I grabbed his arm. He had wrapped his t-shirt around his head so that all I could see were his eyes. I just started screaming. Don't know what his plan was but he took off running as I practically ripped my vocal chords. I always wondered how I would react to something like this. Now I know!
Carry a gun
A certain number of young people today seem to really hate older people. I don't understand why. It's heartbreaking.
When my son was in kindergarten, the kids were taught:
"Hands and feet to self". Basically meaning you don't have the right to reach out and hit/kick someone; try to resolve the issue with talking.
Lauren's actions indicate that she knew what she had done was wrong. There should be consequences for her not keeping her hands to herself.
I respectfully disagree. If one pushes an elderly woman to the ground there is a very good chance that elderly person may die. I hope she is punished by giving her life in prison for taking the life of the sweet elderly lady that did nothing wrong.
This is horrifying. If everything happened as it sounds , her actions finally caught up to her. She deserves everything she gets , in my opinion.
She will do less then 3 years if she is even convicted...money and high priced lawyers is all you need.
Former classmates at the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York told DailyMail the event's coordinator, Pazienza, was prone to violence and described her as 'pure trouble'
They also shared a video in which Pazienza can be seen contorting her face, screeching and speaking in a distorted voice that, they claim was her 'mocking deaf people'
A former friend said Pazienza 'has no empathy,' and never showed any remorse for her bad acts during her time as a student at FIT and spoke in a derogatory manner about others. She was enabled by her parents who got her out of everything, but she called them stupid and basic,' the friend said.
lol i think i read the same article a couple hours ago on snapchat- i was delightfully surprised when i opened youtube and saw Dr Grande made a video about it lol
I knew she was a daddy's princess type, always bailed out by parents. People who behave like her always are, from childhood they learn there are no consequences to their actions. Their parents enable them and produce the ugliest of characters in their offspring.
It said she changed jobs a lot. That can be an indication she can't get along with people. She may have left right before they fired her.
I remember seeing this story. My takeaway is that it's really important that we don't let bad moods, short tempers, or temporary states of mind allow us to engage in this kind of behavior. This woman was just in a bad mood but she made a decision under that state that changed her life forever and ended the life of someone else. She had a bad day, and her victim had an even worse one.
One bad day is the only thing that separates us from the prison and the morgue. Just remember that. We must maintain control. This kind of thing is not so different from road rage and lots of people have died or killed someone from not being able to control their emotions while driving.
"Ms. Pazienza had several glasses of wine and, after visiting a number of art galleries, took a meal purchased from a food cart into Manhattan’s Chelsea Park, a block from where the assault would then take place. When a Parks Department employee told Ms. Pazienza that she would have to leave the park because it was closing soon, she grew irate and shouted and cursed at him. She then turned and, for reasons unexplained, threw her food on to her fiancé and stormed out of the park." After that, while heading toward the subway, Pazienza inexplicably rushed across the street and shoved Gustern.
Something similar happened in New York when a tenant pushed his older landlord off the steps. They threw the book at him. Waiting to see what happens to her.
It's interesting that her father was not charged with obstruction. And by interesting, I mean a clear example of the inequality of our justice system.
Justice is just a word, there's no justice outside human mind.
Maybe they thought there wasn't sufficient evidence for a prosecution to be successful. I agree that there is inequality in the justice system. However, you likely have something else in mind. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
She seems like an evil person. May justice be served.
I have to say - I am so blessed to have found this channel and be part of this audience. Someone commented on being sober 60 days and glad to be listening to Dr. Grande again. I always tell my friends about Dr. Grande's channel - not just because of the awesome content of the videos but because of the audience. It's so nice to be in touch with a group of people who don't have rude and nasty comments because we do not agree with each other. It's also nice to be part of this audience because if someone mentions a personal achievement such as getting sober or any other achievement the whole audience has to mention how proud they are. Positivity ALL around. Thank you for letting me be a part of this channel.
"Her father's cesspool empire"... Still laughing. Dr. G you are always exactly right, and you crack me up!
I love these videos! They're so interesting and the dry humour is my favourite 😂
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If someone wrote this woman as the villain character into a comic book the story editors would reject it as too unbelievable and over-the-top evil. I keep expecting to hear that before she pushed the old lady she had just come from spitting on orphans, and was on her way to kick puppies. And I have to think that whatever time she spends incarcerated will have to be done pretty much exclusively in segregation from the general population, because that will be the only way to keep a prison sentence from turning into capital punishment.
Calm down, she was a bully that pushed an old person. Awful behaviour, but you obviously haven't read any comic books. The baddies in these destroy whole planets, killing millions.
Sam S - okay, graphic novel then.
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She should be locked up in the men's section of Rikers Island
@@fraomedinaii2095 Why?
The fact that she didn’t try to stay, provide first aid and call an ambulance to me points to it wasn’t an accident
Dr. Grande's humor is the best! I would listen for the one-liners, but he is an equally great analyst. I wonder what I did without this. Great job!
Well the good news is that now Lauren gets to read what everyone she's ever been around thinks about her. She may need 12 years of therapy to deal with that reality.
Due to the fact that she also had a physical altercation with her boyfriend, she was probably already fighting with her boyfriend which caused her level of anger to stew within her. She had no right or reason to assault another human… Not her boyfriend, and certainly not this poor woman who probably did beat her to the cab. Lauren probably immediately regretted her actions, but not because she hurt the woman, but because she was in trouble. I agree that 12 years is fitting, as well as a master’s level series of course work in anger management and civility.
I respectfully disagree..she killed an old lady for no reason at all...if I did that they would bury my ass....
I agree & I get the feeling her fiancé is only still with her at the moment because that fight immediately after was probably Lauren telling him what she did & blaming it all on him for upsetting her beforehand. He probably feels guilty which is why he helped her get home that night & hide after, because she may have convinced him that he would be in trouble too. I read an article I think in the NY Post where someone described her boyfriend as very nice & gentle but that he seemed afraid of Lauren because she was so manipulative towards him. It wouldn’t surprise me if she manipulated him immediately after into thinking he was in trouble too & he had to help her. And since he didn’t get in trouble she’s probably telling him how unfair it is that they’re only going after her & letting him off the hook. Like “oh so you got off scot free for something that was your fault & now you wanna leave me?” I could totally picture that craziness.
You have a good point. This woman was probably much more upset about any potential problems that this may bring HER than she was about killing someone. I think that no matter what happens legally with this tragedy, the boyfriend should think twice about getting married to this contemptible witch.
If the boyfriend has even half a dozen brain cells he should get as far away from this nasty cess-filled "ditch" as possible, right now.
American is Full of nice kind women who will make great life-partners.
You can take the girl out of the cesspool, but you can't take the cesspool out of the girl.
I was just watching a report about this case and here you are with your analysis... Thank you.
The fact that her father lied to the police to cover for her shows the kind of example that Lauren had set for her as a child. This is a family of people that will do anything to escape accountability. Lock her up
You always hit the nail right on the head when talking about the criminal's life story or upbringing.
I am fascinated by the variety of reasons you gave for why Lauren did that to Barbara, Dr. Grande.
Due to her lack of self-control, she took the life of the victim and destroyed her own and those of her relatives. So sad, so tragic.
She was born into a world of cesspools. Now shes in a world of shit.
It's New York. They'll probably only give her 1 year in jail.
@@jaymike3302 okay clown
@@ocoolwow I hope I'm wrong. But our justice system often times doesn't care about the victims in cases like this. The killer is going to say it was an accident, and the judge will let her off.
Maybe it was worth it to her. You don't know
You know I have been through a lot in life. It's basically half over at this point. I have thought a lot about how it's could end. I have thought about how many times it could have ended. But I will be goddammed if it's going to be at the whim of some asshole who just out of the blue decided to hurt me because they are having a shit day.
You said that right. I look at my mom who is almost 85 and can't imagine her death by an ass hole
@@sherrihinton8567 I won’t let my 90 year old mom go out alone.
@@KimFsharpHarp you have that right
Stay strapped
What a monster at 26 years old. Her parents must be so proud. May the victim RestInParadise❤
dr grande is funnier than most standup comedians
Such a good warning against acting out of anger
If this were a better world, the young lady might have asked the old woman if she needed help getting to the taxi.
We should all take steps each day to create that better world for all of us to live in.
@ friendsofenkidu i love this attitude! ❤️ We all need more of it
Maybe when the elderly fix the world they broke for all of us.
Most of them are just as angry and insensitive.
@@LadyAtolithe elderly they are not out shooting at people like the wild west hitting innocent bystanders, killing 4,year old waiting for thier McDonald's, pushing people in front of trains stabbing young ladies working thier way through college only to get stabbed and killed,yet another working at Burger King at 19 years old shot to death, sadly the list goes on.
Time to head to Florida or the mountains Maybe my families life expectancy goes up.
Don't blame all the elderly because of the few running the country destroying it
Earle Gavin - Hate to tell ya but parts of Florida ain’t much better……
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 you also shouldn't revel in the misfortune of someone just because they committed a crime. Our obsession with justice is so primal. Public hangings weren't that long ago..
No one in this comment section is innocent of never being ignorant to someone. This woman just got unlucky.
It’s really wonderful to see you deliver a current event vs something that happened long ago. I hope you’ll do more of these timely events.
This woman is as selfish as it gets she took advantage of an elderly person hope she remains locked up as long as possible. Thanks as always Dr Grande for your Analysis.
Miss Barbara was an angel! Rest In Peace! Thank you for all you did for the Arts!!! Thank you