with the help of this video + the 2 others + a microscope of my own - was able to take a thiers-issard from "not being able to be used" to "being so sharp i nicked myself pretty soon after starting the first shave due to not being used to the sharpness... and an extra 2 times for good measure!" have tried numerous times to hone and failed; thank you!!!!
@@joecalton1449 how do you touch the razor up if say it's leaving some hairs behind/not quite getting the fine hairs like moustache hairs? would it be best to touch it up on the naniwa 12k first or just use the... 6k i think it was? back-strokes i assume?
@@airmaxarmani for a razor that you honed and put a fresh edge on, once the edge gets a little worn, then do a couple laps on your crox strop and that will usually bring it back to good shape for another how ever many shaves. after you do that half a dozen cycles, then I would go back to your 6k ish and cut off the rounded shoulders of the edge, and then go back to the strop and then repeat that whole process for a decade or so. so fresh edge, then 50 shaves, crox strop, 50 more shaves, crox, 50, crox 50, then back to the 6k, then 50 shaves, then crox, then 50 shaves. and so on. and yes, I would cut the shoulders off with whatever stroke you like the best, and follow with back strokes to finish before the strop
@@joecalton1449 oh man. so i've been using crox after every shave to strop... so maybe that killed the edge? sounds like i should go to 6k --> crox --> strop --> then follow the process you described?
@@airmaxarmani i dont know about killing the edge, but it would have worn it away faster. i would go 6k, then palm strop to clean the edge, then crox strop unless you have a finer finish stone that you like, and then palm strop, crox strop, linen, leather. shave, palm to clean, linen to dry, store.... then leather before you shave next. repeat until the edge isnt shaving like you like, then crox to refresh and repeat until the crox wont bring the edge back and then back to the 6k.
Congratulation, Vance. Job well done! Your Dad is a good teacher. I enjoyed learning the theories and the techniques using the straight razor as well. It is educational for anyone who wants to start using straight razor and also know how to maintaining the straight razor edge. Thanks for sharing!
Some really good tips in here, from watching the water over the edge to the torque and how it affects where you apex first. I should have used tape when I first reset the straight razor I have...instead I just used the spine and I did grind it down prematurely. I wanted to reset it w/o tape just so I wouldn't need tape (as I remembered Jeremy had set it with tape), and the spine wore faster than I expected...my pressure's must have been off. At any rate, Vance did a great job! It's a really nice video you both produced.
thanks man!! couple things to remember is that this was a completely straight razor, so no smile, and so the strokes vance was using could work well with it. pressure with razors is very light, even when you are doing heavy stock removal as in removing chips or resetting bevels, use just enough pressure to get the stone to cut and maybe a hair more if doing heavy work. if you ground the spine down too much on your razor, you can always use tape to lift it back up for honing if you find the edge wont support that shallow an angle and you need to increase it.
There is nothing wrong with spine wearing. It's part of the design of the razor. Murray Carter explains ruclips.net/video/WECHanHc8Ko/видео.html at 18:34
Awesome video! A tip for Vance’s light touch. Sometimes it can help to use the weight of your other hand on the toe side of the razor to guide the toe and also make up for the pressure to get the whole edge set. Especially when the pressure is mostly on the heel side and not balanced completely. It helped me in the very beginning. I like using my other hand to guide the toe and even out the pressure overall on the razor. Either way great job and an awesome video!
Dude Vance your dad is one of the best forged knife and razor makers in the world!!!!!!!! and your using a German razor. Smh :) but great great job on the vid I learned a lot!
LOL, thanks! I told him to pick a couple razors that he liked. I don't know how he shaves with such a dainty thing, theres no mass to it to settle my hand down, its kind of like trying to make an offhand shot on a soda can at 100 yard with a backpackers rifle, sure I can do it, but a normal weight hunting rifle just settles down and makes that shot seem easy.
Good video your boy did pretty good but if i may say something to try if his not using enough pressure i had a similar problem maybe try to use both hands im a beginner and i found it to be the best way for me i found it hard with one hand because I couldn’t keep it straight and enough pressure maybe try too hands see how he goes
@joecalton1449 do you have any stone recommendations for putting a good edge on a straight razor on a budget? Everything i would trust is so expensive.
the older king kw-65 1000/6000 waterstone is $35 shipped on amazon right now and is the stone I recomend for straight razors and anywhere else that you want a 6000 grit edge. then chromium oxide on a linen strop, then clean linen, leather and shave.
i never did, and quit looking for it. while it is my favorite waterstone, the king is my second favorite and most favorite value for the dollar waterstone. so I just recomend that one. I do keep one of those kings in the kitchen and one in the truck and car.
Why only hold razor with one hand? The pressure is always higher closer to the holding hand. Can't you even out the pressure by using the other hand to apply pressure near the edge like knife sharpening? example ruclips.net/video/9xl4w3JrF0s/видео.html
for me it is easier to concentrate on where the pressure is being applied by only using one hand. when I use both, my tendancy is to put more pressure straight down instead of torquing the blade towards the edge and that greatly increases spine wear. your hands and your style might be slightly different from mine though.
Way to go Vance!
with the help of this video + the 2 others + a microscope of my own - was able to take a thiers-issard from "not being able to be used" to "being so sharp i nicked myself pretty soon after starting the first shave due to not being used to the sharpness... and an extra 2 times for good measure!" have tried numerous times to hone and failed; thank you!!!!
great to hear of your success!! now teach someone else if you ever get the opportunity and pay it forward please :}
@@joecalton1449 how do you touch the razor up if say it's leaving some hairs behind/not quite getting the fine hairs like moustache hairs? would it be best to touch it up on the naniwa 12k first or just use the... 6k i think it was? back-strokes i assume?
@@airmaxarmani for a razor that you honed and put a fresh edge on, once the edge gets a little worn, then do a couple laps on your crox strop and that will usually bring it back to good shape for another how ever many shaves. after you do that half a dozen cycles, then I would go back to your 6k ish and cut off the rounded shoulders of the edge, and then go back to the strop and then repeat that whole process for a decade or so.
so fresh edge, then 50 shaves, crox strop, 50 more shaves, crox, 50, crox 50, then back to the 6k, then 50 shaves, then crox, then 50 shaves. and so on.
and yes, I would cut the shoulders off with whatever stroke you like the best, and follow with back strokes to finish before the strop
@@joecalton1449 oh man. so i've been using crox after every shave to strop... so maybe that killed the edge? sounds like i should go to 6k --> crox --> strop --> then follow the process you described?
@@airmaxarmani i dont know about killing the edge, but it would have worn it away faster.
i would go 6k, then palm strop to clean the edge, then crox strop unless you have a finer finish stone that you like, and then palm strop, crox strop, linen, leather. shave, palm to clean, linen to dry, store.... then leather before you shave next. repeat until the edge isnt shaving like you like, then crox to refresh and repeat until the crox wont bring the edge back and then back to the 6k.
What an amazing father son bonding! Thanks for sharing!
Good job boy!!!!
Good work, fellas.
Congratulation, Vance. Job well done! Your Dad is a good teacher.
I enjoyed learning the theories and the techniques using the straight razor as well.
It is educational for anyone who wants to start using straight razor and also know how to maintaining the straight razor edge.
Thanks for sharing!
Well done young man I've been honing razors for over 20 yrs and your edge sounds great bravo
Good job guys it's important to pass down knowledge to the next generation
Good job Vance!
he says thanks!!
Some really good tips in here, from watching the water over the edge to the torque and how it affects where you apex first. I should have used tape when I first reset the straight razor I have...instead I just used the spine and I did grind it down prematurely. I wanted to reset it w/o tape just so I wouldn't need tape (as I remembered Jeremy had set it with tape), and the spine wore faster than I expected...my pressure's must have been off.
At any rate, Vance did a great job! It's a really nice video you both produced.
thanks man!! couple things to remember is that this was a completely straight razor, so no smile, and so the strokes vance was using could work well with it. pressure with razors is very light, even when you are doing heavy stock removal as in removing chips or resetting bevels, use just enough pressure to get the stone to cut and maybe a hair more if doing heavy work. if you ground the spine down too much on your razor, you can always use tape to lift it back up for honing if you find the edge wont support that shallow an angle and you need to increase it.
@@joecalton1449 Thanks Joe. I'll probably add some tape the next time I sharpen it.
There is nothing wrong with spine wearing. It's part of the design of the razor. Murray Carter explains ruclips.net/video/WECHanHc8Ko/видео.html at 18:34
Awesome video! A tip for Vance’s light touch. Sometimes it can help to use the weight of your other hand on the toe side of the razor to guide the toe and also make up for the pressure to get the whole edge set. Especially when the pressure is mostly on the heel side and not balanced completely. It helped me in the very beginning. I like using my other hand to guide the toe and even out the pressure overall on the razor. Either way great job and an awesome video!
Dude Vance your dad is one of the best forged knife and razor makers in the world!!!!!!!! and your using a German razor. Smh :) but great great job on the vid I learned a lot!
LOL, thanks! I told him to pick a couple razors that he liked. I don't know how he shaves with such a dainty thing, theres no mass to it to settle my hand down, its kind of like trying to make an offhand shot on a soda can at 100 yard with a backpackers rifle, sure I can do it, but a normal weight hunting rifle just settles down and makes that shot seem easy.
Thanks for tips joe
Good video your boy did pretty good but if i may say something to try if his not using enough pressure i had a similar problem maybe try to use both hands im a beginner and i found it to be the best way for me i found it hard with one hand because I couldn’t keep it straight and enough pressure maybe try too hands see how he goes
Great video. Did he not use both hands for a reason?
id guess becuase I was standing right next to him :}
Great video. This stone looks like Bester 1000/6000 to me.
@joecalton1449 do you have any stone recommendations for putting a good edge on a straight razor on a budget? Everything i would trust is so expensive.
the older king kw-65 1000/6000 waterstone is $35 shipped on amazon right now and is the stone I recomend for straight razors and anywhere else that you want a 6000 grit edge. then chromium oxide on a linen strop, then clean linen, leather and shave.
Did you ever find the stone? That looks like the KDS stone
i never did, and quit looking for it. while it is my favorite waterstone, the king is my second favorite and most favorite value for the dollar waterstone. so I just recomend that one. I do keep one of those kings in the kitchen and one in the truck and car.
Why only hold razor with one hand? The pressure is always higher closer to the holding hand. Can't you even out the pressure by using the other hand to apply pressure near the edge like knife sharpening?
example ruclips.net/video/9xl4w3JrF0s/видео.html
for me it is easier to concentrate on where the pressure is being applied by only using one hand. when I use both, my tendancy is to put more pressure straight down instead of torquing the blade towards the edge and that greatly increases spine wear. your hands and your style might be slightly different from mine though.
I think it’s easier not to even talk about burs I just do the nail test
Why is he just stropping it on the 12k . You gotta do edge leading first
stone stropping is a great way to get that last little bit of refinement out of each stone before you move to the next one or to the strop