I know that Ryan Braun had amazing stats in 2011, but I think Matt Kemp had the slightly better season overall, and therefore he got snubbed for the NL MVP.
Yeah I took a look at this and didn't think it deserved a mention. I kinda saw it coming too, esp since the Brewers were good and the Dodgers weren't. Kemp definitely feels cheated after the PED thing went down though
In 2016 if Kershaw hadn't got hurt I think he might have won his 2nd MVP. When he got hurt his pitching was insanely good. His strikeouts to walk ratio was the best. He was at his peak that year. Yes, I know his record in the post-season is bad.
Its hard for me to justify giving the MVP to a pitcher, unless he was just insanely dominant and puts in 300 innings, or there's no good options on the offensive side
@@homerunproductions162I think donaldkennedy9573 is right, Bryant in 2016 was really good but in terms of MVP seasons it wasn’t that great. If Kershaw doesn’t get injured he easily wins MVP. In 2016 Kyle Hendricks should have won over Scherzer in Cy Young but even though he only pitched 149 innings there’s some crazy argument to be made that Kershaw could have won that year.
@@ToonTwist Tim Kurkjian said the same thing in 2016, Kershaw's strikes to walks ratio was historically insane. I wonder how many games he could have won.
I kept waiting for Pedro Martinez 2000 to show up, but it never did. He had arguably the greatest pitching season of all time, setting the WHIP and ERA+ records and putting up 11.7 bWAR. He only finished in 5th place because his win total was only 18 and the Red Sox weren't great. Giambi won with 7.8 WAR, nearly 4 full wins behind Pedro. He was also robbed in 1999, but obviously that's before the time frame for this list.
I wish it was easier for 1st baseman to accumulate WAR, because Carlos Delgado was the best offensive player in the AL in 2003 on a team with a WAY better record, but lost because he was up against a shortstop, who just automatically produce better WAR due to their position. Also Donaldson and Trout is WAY less egregious if you look at fWAR, it's 9.3 vs 8.7 which IMO the Jays winning the division makes up the difference, to where I don't think it's even a snub.
Rookie of the year snubs next? If so, while this is pre-2000, please give an honorable mention to 1986 Mark Eichhorn, his story is amazing and would honestly make for a great video on its own-He was easily the slowest pitcher in the league, throwing a slider at 65-70 MPH almost exclusively, yet had probably the greatest season a reliever ever had in hindsight. If I were an awards voter that year, I'd have had Eichhorn 2nd in my Cy Young ballot-only behind peak Roger Clemens.
soto/freeman: Yea Soto should've won, that Freeman win felt like a "okay you've been good for a long time, here you go" award lol, but I don't hold the 2020 awards highly yeli/belli: If Yelich didn't get hurt he would've won, he def would've hit 50 bombs too votto/stanton: Yea this probably should've gone to Votto, but Stanton winning was cool so I never had a problem with the outcome 10: Pujols probably won this cause bonds kept winning prior, so similar to freeman where it was like okay here you go lol 9: Yea Jeter shoulda won 8: YES Trout should have like 5 mvps lmao (love miggy tho) 7: dang never knew how crazy that 2000 race was lol 6: I agree Trout should've won, but Donaldson was pretty great that year plus they made the playoffs so that probably factored in 5: A Rod is no stranger to having an mvp stolen from him lol, should've won in 96 too (best clean season from a shortstop ever probably) 4: idk I'm fine with the JV win, he was immaculate that season. Bautista is that dude tho no doubt 3: This race always irks me, Judge should've had it lol (Trout would've won if he didn't get hurt) 2: Counterpoint, Ichiro is much cooler :] love giambi tho lol 1: Matt Holliday winning would've been sweet, wonder if that would've kept him on the hof ballot longer. I might argue that David Wright had a better case tho Great video I love your breakdowns lol
Definitely one of them. Pedro Martinez had a spectacular peak, so did Kershaw 2011-14, Santana 2004-08 just off the top of my head. Koufax has them beat but that was of course pre-1968 and all the changes to help the hitters
Ichiro's game is so different it's hard to measure against the more traditional all-around players. He's a 4-tool player but the hitting for avg and speed was off the charts. Manny had a decent case over Vlad also
@@homerunproductions162consistency is key in baseball. Altuve was more consistent, I’ll gladly take a guy doing what he does every month that helps us win vs being hot for 3 months and then going cold in the part of the year where wins are needed, remember the Yankees finished 2 games below the Red Sox, if he didn’t get cold they probably would’ve won the division.
They were razor close on stats, Braun had the edge in a couple major categories, Kemp had the edge on a couple others, and with both teams' seasons being so different I thought picking Braun was legit (at the time)
Pujols absolutely had a case, Avg/OPS were pretty similar, Howard definitely had the edge in HR/RBI, but Pujols blew him out in WAR. I wonder how that vote would have looked today.
I'm not trying to hate on this video, but a lot of your picks are just plain wrong. Saying Ortiz is the snub is 100% false. Travis Hafner had an a .1097 OPS and had more war than Morneau, Jeter, and Ortiz even while playing 20 less games. Also, in 2000, bonds played 17 less games than Helton, so his war was one lower. When it comes to a situation like that with their war, it shouldn't just come down to war so Bonds should have won. His ops+ was 25 points higher, 188 compared to 163. Utley, Pujols, Wright and Jones were also better than Holliday in 2007. Holliday: 151 ops+ 6 war Utely: 147 ops+ 7.8 war Wright: 149 ops+ 8.3 war Pujols: 157 ops+ 8.7 war Jones: 165 ops+ 7.6 war Glad you mentioned Trout in 15, and Bautista in 11 though. Both aren't really talked about as snubs for some reason.
Hafner did have a 0.1 better WAR but like you said, he was 22 games down from Ortiz, 12 homers back, 20 RBI back, but did have an OPS about 50 pts higher. Probably finished 8th because he missed a month's worth of games. As for Holliday, a lot of those guys down the list had a good argument. I dont know if they were better than the guy who won the batting title, leading the league in hits and RBI and also mixing in 36 homers, Coors being a factor there for sure. The most surprising thing is Pujols finishing 9th with those stats.
Uh huh. The only reason Wright didn't get it is bc the Mets collapsed down the stretch. I get that Rollins had 20 plus triples , homers, and steals, but Wright had a better overall year.
Yeah there were a lot of guys who had the argument in 2007, Wright being one of them. I think the voters thought it was impossible to give it to him given what happened to the Mets in September.
Seriously though this video is pretty much "revisionist history" and i dont see the problem with it. Granted, you are losing a bit of perspective when you look at the statlines and are removed from the season itself
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I know that Ryan Braun had amazing stats in 2011, but I think Matt Kemp had the slightly better season overall, and therefore he got snubbed for the NL MVP.
Yeah I took a look at this and didn't think it deserved a mention. I kinda saw it coming too, esp since the Brewers were good and the Dodgers weren't. Kemp definitely feels cheated after the PED thing went down though
Even though altuve didn't cheat in 2017, judge should have won it. His stats are pretty much better across the board
I agree
I’m pretty sure he did cheat it was just that he cheated the least on his team if I recall correctly
Lol no way he had 3 consecutive 200 hit seasons.
@@chesterthechickeneater1302wrong, look firther into it
I am a believer that he didn’t cheat but if his teammates did, that would definitely have an indirect but positive effect on his stats
In 2016 if Kershaw hadn't got hurt I think he might have won his 2nd MVP. When he got hurt his pitching was insanely good. His strikeouts to walk ratio was the best. He was at his peak that year. Yes, I know his record in the post-season is bad.
Its hard for me to justify giving the MVP to a pitcher, unless he was just insanely dominant and puts in 300 innings, or there's no good options on the offensive side
@@homerunproductions162I think donaldkennedy9573 is right, Bryant in 2016 was really good but in terms of MVP seasons it wasn’t that great. If Kershaw doesn’t get injured he easily wins MVP. In 2016 Kyle Hendricks should have won over Scherzer in Cy Young but even though he only pitched 149 innings there’s some crazy argument to be made that Kershaw could have won that year.
@@ToonTwist Tim Kurkjian said the same thing in 2016, Kershaw's strikes to walks ratio was historically insane. I wonder how many games he could have won.
I kept waiting for Pedro Martinez 2000 to show up, but it never did. He had arguably the greatest pitching season of all time, setting the WHIP and ERA+ records and putting up 11.7 bWAR. He only finished in 5th place because his win total was only 18 and the Red Sox weren't great. Giambi won with 7.8 WAR, nearly 4 full wins behind Pedro. He was also robbed in 1999, but obviously that's before the time frame for this list.
Thats a good call. If anyone deserved mvp by a pitcher it was probably Pedro 2000
I wish it was easier for 1st baseman to accumulate WAR, because Carlos Delgado was the best offensive player in the AL in 2003 on a team with a WAY better record, but lost because he was up against a shortstop, who just automatically produce better WAR due to their position. Also Donaldson and Trout is WAY less egregious if you look at fWAR, it's 9.3 vs 8.7 which IMO the Jays winning the division makes up the difference, to where I don't think it's even a snub.
Rookie of the year snubs next? If so, while this is pre-2000, please give an honorable mention to 1986 Mark Eichhorn, his story is amazing and would honestly make for a great video on its own-He was easily the slowest pitcher in the league, throwing a slider at 65-70 MPH almost exclusively, yet had probably the greatest season a reliever ever had in hindsight. If I were an awards voter that year, I'd have had Eichhorn 2nd in my Cy Young ballot-only behind peak Roger Clemens.
Judge wasn’t consistent in 2017. That is why he didn’t win. He slumped whole month and a half. Altuves consistency had more impact vs judge.
I dont know if that should matter but it definitely has an impact on voters
McCutchen deserved it in 2013, he took the Pirates to the playoffs for the 1st time in like 21 years
The trash cans got snubbed in 2017.
Eddie Murray's 1980s.
An-drew jones, lad
Spent years getting lectured on the pronunciation and now its gone the opposite direction
Yo Homerun, are any of your videos getting copyright claimed? cause there's other creators out there, that have been getting copyright claims from MlB
My videos only get claimed if they get too big, seems like once they cross the 70K view range then it happens
you sound just like airtime thrills lmao
weird, that guy sucks
soto/freeman: Yea Soto should've won, that Freeman win felt like a "okay you've been good for a long time, here you go" award lol, but I don't hold the 2020 awards highly
yeli/belli: If Yelich didn't get hurt he would've won, he def would've hit 50 bombs too
votto/stanton: Yea this probably should've gone to Votto, but Stanton winning was cool so I never had a problem with the outcome
10: Pujols probably won this cause bonds kept winning prior, so similar to freeman where it was like okay here you go lol
9: Yea Jeter shoulda won
8: YES Trout should have like 5 mvps lmao (love miggy tho)
7: dang never knew how crazy that 2000 race was lol
6: I agree Trout should've won, but Donaldson was pretty great that year plus they made the playoffs so that probably factored in
5: A Rod is no stranger to having an mvp stolen from him lol, should've won in 96 too (best clean season from a shortstop ever probably)
4: idk I'm fine with the JV win, he was immaculate that season. Bautista is that dude tho no doubt
3: This race always irks me, Judge should've had it lol (Trout would've won if he didn't get hurt)
2: Counterpoint, Ichiro is much cooler :] love giambi tho lol
1: Matt Holliday winning would've been sweet, wonder if that would've kept him on the hof ballot longer. I might argue that David Wright had a better case tho
Great video I love your breakdowns lol
Thanks for watching and analyzing each one thats awesome
You sound exactly like Airtime thrills.
that guy sucks
@@homerunproductions162 Favorite MLB team?
dodger fan for life
@@homerunproductions162 Sandy koufax 1963-66 greatest peak by a pitcher?
Definitely one of them. Pedro Martinez had a spectacular peak, so did Kershaw 2011-14, Santana 2004-08 just off the top of my head. Koufax has them beat but that was of course pre-1968 and all the changes to help the hitters
Tho he did win in 2001, I think Ichiro was snubbed 2004. And by BWAR, Vlad Sr. wasn’t even top 5. So that should’ve been talked about.
Ichiro's game is so different it's hard to measure against the more traditional all-around players. He's a 4-tool player but the hitting for avg and speed was off the charts. Manny had a decent case over Vlad also
Judge was abysmal in the month of August in 2017. That’s why the voters went with Altuve at the end.
How you finish is everything, even though it shouldn't be
@@homerunproductions162consistency is key in baseball. Altuve was more consistent, I’ll gladly take a guy doing what he does every month that helps us win vs being hot for 3 months and then going cold in the part of the year where wins are needed, remember the Yankees finished 2 games below the Red Sox, if he didn’t get cold they probably would’ve won the division.
Love your videos but the eye test is a little bit more then stats also one stat you didn’t bring up is Freddie freeman in 2020 had an rbi a game
I get that especially with the MVP award. Eye test does sway a lot of votes, same with how you or your team finishes. Hence Rollins in 07
If 2021 Jacob DeGrom didn’t get hurt he would have won MVP
Also where is Matt Kemp vs. Ryan Braun? Even without the roids and hindsight I still would have given it to kemp that year
They were razor close on stats, Braun had the edge in a couple major categories, Kemp had the edge on a couple others, and with both teams' seasons being so different I thought picking Braun was legit (at the time)
No mention of Ryan Howard over Albert Pujols in 2006 is absurd
Pujols absolutely had a case, Avg/OPS were pretty similar, Howard definitely had the edge in HR/RBI, but Pujols blew him out in WAR. I wonder how that vote would have looked today.
@@homerunproductions162Pujols clears easy.
Rollins also had 20 triples
the infamous 20-20-20-20 season (doubles, triples, homers, steals)
I like how 20 wasnt even an MLB best. Granderson had 23
I'm not trying to hate on this video, but a lot of your picks are just plain wrong. Saying Ortiz is the snub is 100% false. Travis Hafner had an a .1097 OPS and had more war than Morneau, Jeter, and Ortiz even while playing 20 less games.
Also, in 2000, bonds played 17 less games than Helton, so his war was one lower. When it comes to a situation like that with their war, it shouldn't just come down to war so Bonds should have won. His ops+ was 25 points higher, 188 compared to 163.
Utley, Pujols, Wright and Jones were also better than Holliday in 2007.
Holliday: 151 ops+ 6 war
Utely: 147 ops+ 7.8 war
Wright: 149 ops+ 8.3 war
Pujols: 157 ops+ 8.7 war
Jones: 165 ops+ 7.6 war
Glad you mentioned Trout in 15, and Bautista in 11 though. Both aren't really talked about as snubs for some reason.
Hafner did have a 0.1 better WAR but like you said, he was 22 games down from Ortiz, 12 homers back, 20 RBI back, but did have an OPS about 50 pts higher. Probably finished 8th because he missed a month's worth of games. As for Holliday, a lot of those guys down the list had a good argument. I dont know if they were better than the guy who won the batting title, leading the league in hits and RBI and also mixing in 36 homers, Coors being a factor there for sure. The most surprising thing is Pujols finishing 9th with those stats.
@@homerunproductions162 You had Yellich as a snub for missing 20 games like Hafner, but fair enough.
Should mention that David Wright was also more deserving of that 2007 MVP than Rollins.
Nuh uh
Uh huh. The only reason Wright didn't get it is bc the Mets collapsed down the stretch. I get that Rollins had 20 plus triples , homers, and steals, but Wright had a better overall year.
Yeah there were a lot of guys who had the argument in 2007, Wright being one of them. I think the voters thought it was impossible to give it to him given what happened to the Mets in September.
Austin Riley of the braves deserves one. That’s if he doesn’t have one already
He will probably get one in the next 5 years
A lot of revisionist history here… did you just start watching baseball this year?
Yep, this is my first year
@@homerunproductions162 makes sense! Always glad to hear baseball can still pick up new fans.
Seriously though this video is pretty much "revisionist history" and i dont see the problem with it. Granted, you are losing a bit of perspective when you look at the statlines and are removed from the season itself
@@homerunproductions162 that’s a long way of saying you posted a clickbait video. No hate on my end btw. Good luck to you on YT