After Ashley left and had no contact with her child for 6 years or so, for the judge to give the child to the absentee mom is just a horrendous decision.
@@DashieNCheekie No, you are wrong. No child should "belong'' to an absentee excuse for a mother. A child is NOT a possession that ''belongs" to someone, regardless of birth.
HOW OH HOW DID A JUDGE GIVE A 7 yr old girl to essentially a stranger??! She was absent from her life for the entirety of it!!! Terrible decision judge, terrible decision!
right. she was too busy being with her lesbian partner to even care about being a mom. she never wanted to be a mom. everything chad did to protect her daughter yet the daughter kept being left with terrible women.
@@SavitaS-h4k La vera questione per cui tanti commentatori sono conto la decisione del giudice e contro la madre, è molto facile comprenderla, lei aveva scelto di amare le donne. Chiaramente tanti commenti provengono da persone che odiano quel tipo di sessualità
I’ll be the elephant in the room I don’t think none of this would’ve happened if the first judge would’ve done his job right .. I’m sorry the judge needs be held accountable for his bad judgment!!
Family court is so sexist towards fathers it’s ridiculous This guy was pushed over the edge by a dolt of a judge; this mom never wanted her child and then breezed back into town on a whim and they hand over the keys midday while she’s in school????! That’s disturbingly incompetent
That seems to be the 2024 trend of the year..."BLAME THE JUDGE" 🙄 it's never gonna happen bro. The judges rule by law not by emotions. Get over it.go change the laws if you care so much.
What kinda judge awards custody to a parent thats been absent for 6 years without even informing the other parent. Still doesn't deserve to be murdered but that judge is ignorant for sure. Glad his mother is a good woman and doesn't try to justify what her son did and takes care of her granddaughter.
perhaps they had the intuition that she'd be safer with Ashley, had Ashley been kept alive. and we now know that is a fact, seeing as the father/step mom were capable of murder 🥴 the daughter is so brave and strong. i feel so sorry for what she's been through. lost both parents simultaneously and had an abusive caretaker after the fact
She should have never been awarded custody that way. I don’t understand how they sent the daughter home with a. Complete stranger. Very disturbing. That said, it still cannot in any justify her murder. Horrific
That's not what this video is about. You focusing on anyone's past and or the courts choice for custody is not your business. 100% of the time the court places the child with the biological parents first. You only see a snippet here. You have no idea of the details. Because this is about a woman whos life was taken.
THIS CASE IS NOT ABOUT ASHLEY BEING GONE!! NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY BUSINESS CASTING STONES ABOUT A CUSTODY AGREEMENT YOU KNOW NOTHING OF. THIS CONTENT IS ABOUT A WOMANS LIFE BEING TAKEN. I'M CERTAIN NONE OF YOU WOULD BE OK WITH STRANGERS PICKING APART YOUR OWN FAILURES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ASHLEYS ABSENCE. IT IS ABOUT HER LIFE BEING TAKEN.
Title says she was found in her trunk, but the investigator who showed up on scene said she was in the back seat.. half on the seat, half on her floor.
That's a shame that they made that little girl go with someone she didn't even know. Why in the world would that judge give custody to that woman and take her out of a two parent household?🤦🏽♀️
This happens ALL the time!! When a kid goes to emergency foster care. So many situations the public have no idea about! It’s insane & unfair to the child
You are hearing the story only from the dad's mother, and his lawyer. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. When men go off to the service for a couple of years no one bats an eye. If she didn't care for her kid, why would she want the child back? Chad may have had something in his past, like an arrest maybe? It would be highly unusual for her to get custody if this was a stable loving household, with a biomom, who was some awful person, who get the child. The mom and Chad's attorney are the only ones saying terrible things about Ashley.
Ashley sounds like an incredibly selfish narcissist. She abandoned her daughter and then showed up 6 years later to take her away from her father. Chad made a horrible decision. Erica getting pregnant by Chad's best friend is also horrible. What a mixed up group of people.
@@steelhurricane4041 lol yes which isn’t exactly great. She didn’t deserve to die but it’s also crazy that she was able to just show up after 5-6 years and take the child.
@2FLIPS3TWISTS003 - The Markel case is off the charts. 3 already in prison, another just convicted, ANOTHER one just arrested and indicted. Then there's Wendy. They're saving her for last.
@@CrazyMaryJo feminists successfully lobbied for several extremely-unfair laws and policies.. while men were busing overworking, drinking beer and watching sports.. such laws caused the death of countless people.. and caused major problems for millions of people
I would not call it revenge. It is coming to your senses. Chad has NOTHING to gain here. He protected Erica before. It had been 8 years in Prison. He knew she took part and was to be in custody as well. His sentence isn't reduced, his mother doesn't have any benefit...Erica deserves to be in prison.
If you are a true loving mother and father before you commit a horrendous crime, you should stop and think about your children and how it will affect them?
You know it just comes down to once again a bunch of adults you can't simply work out anything, damaged a young girl. Did trauma that that girl is going to have to overcome from her mother being murdered, her stepmom abusing her in her father going to prison is just so selfish. I feel for the daughter and the other kids. And nobody deserves to be murdered.
Why is everyone blaming the judge who gave her custody? This man beat her mother to death. Who tf thinks this is the type of person who should be raising a child? Add to it he left her with someone who was abusing her. He had the power to stop it, but didn't. This man should have never had custody of this child. She would have been better off with her mother. Now she has no parents and life long trauma. We don't know what information was given to make that decision. But it was the right choice.
@@moniquesmith3299 The thing is this. How could you give sole custody to someone who has been absent for 6 years. It's like losing your child to a random stranger. You'd go nuts! Furthermore, he loved and cared for the child during the mom's absence.
@@kevohmistari Again, giving his actions towards the mother AND knowing she was being abused while he was in prison means he had no business having her to begin with. If he truly loved her to the point he went crazy and murdered someone, he would have loved her enough to report that she was being abused and gotten her out of there the moment he found out. He didn't. He loved himself, not her. You can't justify this.
That cheating wife surely uses drunkenness as excuse to cover for cheating and murder confessions. The mother in law said that erika said she didn't know who the dad was of her baby because she was "DRUNK and picked up guys" then the truth came out. On trial her attorney questioned her mother in law regarding the shots as if erika blamed her confession on her getting drunk by her mother in law to get her to say something she didn't want to. I imagine it something like 'i didn't want to say that but she got me drunk and made me say that' just like she says in the recording "i did what he told me to do, to make the call and order pizza. One lie after another full of excuses and blaming it on beer, alcohol and others giving her orders
How are you able to take people trying to justify why they took someone's life version of events as the truth? She was not a stranger and they couldve filed for joint custody. Id bet my house and car she was able to prove they were keeping her from being able to contact her daughter while she was away in the military. And it takes money to get an attorney for family court. But unfortunately we'll never know cause they took her life so she cant tell her story and family court does not fall under foia/sunshine law. And his mom is not a neutral witness nor does she have first hand knowledge of the events she is telling her son's version.
All the negative comments about Ashley blows my mind. How is Chad and Erica better parents when they turned to murder because they “snapped”? That doesn’t justify murder. I mean didn’t you see the cruelty? There’s no way the judge would have given Ashley custody if there wasn’t any solid proof. Erica turned out to be abusive. I’m sure they did things to keep Ashley from being in the child’s life.
Sometimes allowing your food to cook rather than immediately serving it. The children were young stripping them of the only adult they have would have been reckless thinking, also keep in mind that Erica mentioned her guilt. She’s has been in complete fear and anguish for 4 years. The mother did right. Keeping in touch with Chad, getting her ducks in order. This was the best way to go about this
All the people blindly believing Chad's mom, who has a motive to lie, are just wild to me. Her narration paints Ashley in a bad light and her son as innocent tells you everything you need to know. Chad and mom are lying about everything. From Ahsley abandoning her child...going back andnforth between Chad and other women...coming back all of a sudden and gaining cusfody. I'm not surprised Cindy raised a murderer...she didnt care thay her son was a convicted killer of someone she knew...only got bothered when she felt she wasnt given access to her grandchildren😳
Funny how Chad only cared once she shacked up with her new love interest. And this 'devoted grandmother' refers to her granddaughter as "his daughter" instead of "my granddaughter". All of these people suck and they all deserve to be in jail.
Lol, I bet she wishes she hadn't cut the grandmother out now. If she'd pretended to be faithful for a little longer and let the kids see their grandmother, she'd still be on the outside. If I took the rap for someone and they built a family with someone else in my house, it wouldn't have taken 8 years. More like 8 minutes! 😂
It will be SO nice if these ignorant criminals will think twice BEFORE procreating. Chad claims to LOVE his childrens BUT that is NOT love is nothing but control. He was JUST having one baby after another like it was nothing. If you REALLY love your Daughter why did you killed her mother? That is not LOVE but CONTROL. The childrens are the ones suffering.
He wasn't having one baby after another. He was having children with his wife and that lady was not his child's mother. She was an egg donor. The little girl didn't even KNOW her. That girl won't even miss that lady. She'll miss her father
I don’t think that the mother of the daughter Was allowed to see or talk to her daughter , and probably had proof that she tried ! And actually behind the scenes fighting for her daughter. I’m not judging that situation bc I don’t know the whole story there
Put the tape away for four years and didn't think about it? Right. Blackmail? Extortion? Way to go, Mommy Dearist. Those grandkids should be kept from all of them!
@@karenholley8356there is no way as a grandmother you dont turn it over.she thought it would implement her son more since Erica was still blaming the husband.
Chad was manipulating Ashley. She did not have the money to fight Chad for her child! He was upset that Ashley didn’t want to be with him anymore. Ashley went to the military to make a better life for herself. Chad did not allow her to contact their daughter because she didn’t want to be with him!!! That judge granting custody to Ashley wasn’t random.
The judge isn't responsible for the murder. The fact that Chad and Erica were capable of murder just shows the child shouldn't have been placed with them either.
@@jordansmith2380plus dont forget Erica had been abusing her. And it shows they wouldnt be above lying about Ashley contacting her daughter. They spun her going into military as abandonment. Chad has proven he is vindictive when things dont go his way so Im sure Ashley deciding to come out was a blow to his ego. Courts dont just do things and not let both parties know whats happening and their chance to repsond to the petition but if you dont want to share custody & cant show cause then thats a problem. Plus, if she had really abandoned her daughter why didnt they petition to sever her rights so Erica could adopt her? Most likely because Ashely could prove she hadnt abandoned her & been trying to either locate or contact her.
I agree. It's business as usual. They don't really care about anyone. It's their career. That's it. They send innocent people to prison and slap others on the wrists over serious crimes. Let murderers out early. It's political.
Unreal… the system did Chad wrong from the get go, he shouldn’t have killed Ashley, but everyone has their breaking point, it’s not surprising this ended the way it did.
Exactly! Men get screwed over so much when it comes to custody battles. I'm not condoning him killing Ashley but like you said, everyone has a breaking point, especially when their children are involved.
This was incredibly one sided. You have no idea what the actual situation was. He is capable of murder, yet threatening her or keeping a child from her is a bridge too far?
A person whose breaking point is homicide isn't the kind of person who should have children. He's not the first or last parent suffering from custody issues.
@@IXcircle children tend to be one of the main cause a spouse commits murder on another spouse. Talk to a psychiatrist about why that is.. your thinking to shallow on a huge problem obviously
This guy may not have killed anyone if Ashley hadn't walked into his life again. Makes me wonder how many people are out there that will kill if the right circumstances are presented.
You dont know why they did. We are hearing one side of story being told to justify their unexcusable actions. Why didnt he do an emergency petition to modify or at least stay the judges motion so they could make their case in court. Something is not adding up and I bet its because she was able to prove that they were keeping her from being able to contact her daughter that she didnt abandon her because she was in the military. They didnt want to share custody & probably didnt agree with her lifestyle. Plus no telling how long the step mom had actually been abusing her. But, you'd rather she stay with the people capable of taling someone's life?
It’s really strange how she was in the military for that long but didn’t have the instinct to not meet behind an empty building at night. Nor had the ability to fight off an untrained overweight man. It’s weird.
A. Not a combat zone, probably assumed it was just another day on the job, not the best thing to do for anyone let alone someone trained but were only human. B. She was immediately tazed on a surprise attack and was set upon with the belt it said, there wouldn't have been much time to respond. They make it sound very quick and calculated.
The judge should not have allowed Ashley to randomly pop up one day and get custody of her daughter without the father being able to fight for custody himself. However, Chad did not have a reason to assume that his daughter was being abused by Ashley and Ashley did not deserve to die because she wanted to be a mom
Everyone is talking about the judge making the wrong decision. However, the father made the ULTIMATE wrong decision... Now, the children have no father.
At 31:05/42:58 -- O.K. How the heck do you order half of a pepperoni & mushroom pizza? What happens to the other half? Or, do the pizza makers just take a large pizza and only put toppings on one side before they bake the whole pizza. Then, when it's done, they cut it in half and only deliver the side with toppings that were ordered? Is it me . . . or is anyone else having trouble understanding wth Cobb is explaining? (SMH) Law&Crime -- You have outdone yourselves! This case was riveting. I want to delve further into the details and don't know yet (but hoping) that you covered the entire trial. Thank you for what you do!
@@llllllllIlllIlIlits not that hard to comprehend. Put pepperoni on half, mushrooms on the other half. Bake it, then cut it into 8 slices. When i worked for Uno's people use to make those type of orders all the time.
This is Nuts. I did 23 years in Butner prison for 2cnd degree murder and aggravated assault and to this day I never gave up my wife who tried to help with my cover up...
I can't even imagine what this poor woman went through in her last few minutes. Just heartbreaking. Even though she was the killer's mom, I am glad she taped her former DIL so that all those responsible paid the price.
Everyone failed that little girl. The judge, the mom, the dad and the dad's girlfriend. Hope she has sane and loving people that helps her heal and trust again.
If the father wasn’t abusing the child, had a wife with 3 other kids, and the mother was been gone 98 percent of her life, how does a judge just give custody without even notifying the father?
Law&Crime, do some more digging on this one--the custody testimony is one sided and Ohio doesn't just make decisions on behalf of an absent mom. If dude was capable of murder, "losing his daughter" didn't push him to killing.
None of this would have happened if the Courts would have given Chad custody of his daughter that He has raised since birth. The Courts failed the little girl.
I have no idea why the judge thought its ok to take a child out of her environment and give custody to an absentee mother. I am lost for words. Did this judge ever thought about the little girl how she must have felt to be sent off with a stranger, a mother she never knew. The judge should be held accountable for his actions.
She did fight for her daughter. Chad used her sexuality against her in court. He did not allow her to contact their daughter. There was a joint arrangement and Chad refused to ever follow it because Ashley didn’t want to be with him. Ashley struggle to find a job. That’s why she went to the military.
@@JustEvertonNope. Oil had nothing to do with it. We’ve got more oil here than they do. It’s all about globalist politicians in BOTH parties trying to be the “World Police “ and wasting American blood trying to Westernize countries that have no desire to change their way of life.
How could this have happened??? You do what’s in the BEST interest of the CHILD!!!! At best she should have got visitation and honestly after all that time I’d of done supervised visits to make sure everything went smoothly and she was capable of being a mom after being gone for so long!!!
If u read the document on screen at abou 5:28 youll read that she did have visitation. He wasnt following the court order that favoured him, so he lost custody.
Chris Watts probably has a similar story, but we'll never hear about it because the CBI is trash and just wanted him. They should've gotten ALL of the co-workers who were involved, especially his mistress. Cindy Watts needs to befriend this Cindee and follow suit. Get them ALL.
I'm still in shock that NK was let go, after all get lies, deleted text messages, photos, cell phone pings etc. and who knows what else! She knows more and has done more than CBI ever let on to! Why was her Dad allowed in while questioning, why is the report redacted so much?! Way too many questions, and not enough answers!
@@Michelle-db8izgod you guys are so desperate for her to be guilty out of some weird puritanical old woman desire. There's literally no evidence she had anything to do with the murders, despite your obsession with punishing the other woman.
@Michelle-db8iz I couldn't agree more! Like the co-worker who returned to the scene and somehow missed her shallow grave. The co-worker who's wife's name happens to match that of a woman who called Primrose that morning. Hmmmm... The Firestick meeting? All of it. It was all weird and I think it was more than just CW and NK who were involved. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some pay off from the oil company in there. They're all corrupt, as far as I'm concerned.
After Ashley left and had no contact with her child for 6 years or so, for the judge to give the child to the absentee mom is just a horrendous decision.
Well that's still her child she brought her in to this world she belongs to her
@@DashieNCheekie No, you are wrong. No child should "belong'' to an absentee excuse for a mother. A child is NOT a possession that ''belongs" to someone, regardless of birth.
@@WindDancer435 you are the one who is wrong
@@DashieNCheekie I respectfully disagree.
Either way.. no excuse for killing anyone 😢
HOW OH HOW DID A JUDGE GIVE A 7 yr old girl to essentially a stranger??! She was absent from her life for the entirety of it!!! Terrible decision judge, terrible decision!
right. she was too busy being with her lesbian partner to even care about being a mom. she never wanted to be a mom. everything chad did to protect her daughter yet the daughter kept being left with terrible women.
@@SavitaS-h4k
SHE WAS IN THE ARMY!
THAT’S WHY SHE LEFT, IT WASN’T FOR ANYONE.
@@SavitaS-h4k
La vera questione per cui tanti commentatori sono conto la decisione del giudice
e contro la madre, è molto facile comprenderla, lei aveva scelto di amare le donne.
Chiaramente tanti commenti provengono da persone che odiano quel tipo di sessualità
@@cheryl5994NOT for SIX YEARS!!!!
Liberalism
I’ll be the elephant in the room I don’t think none of this would’ve happened if the first judge would’ve done his job right .. I’m sorry the judge needs be held accountable for his bad judgment!!
Family court is so sexist towards fathers it’s ridiculous
This guy was pushed over the edge by a dolt of a judge; this mom never wanted her child and then breezed back into town on a whim and they hand over the keys midday while she’s in school????!
That’s disturbingly incompetent
That seems to be the 2024 trend of the year..."BLAME THE JUDGE"
🙄 it's never gonna happen bro. The judges rule by law not by emotions. Get over it.go change the laws if you care so much.
💯 this all falls on the Judge
We all agree with you!! I couldn't believe this case
@@Ena48145 "we all agree with you"?? Since when are YOU the spokesperson for the entire world lmao
What kinda judge awards custody to a parent thats been absent for 6 years without even informing the other parent. Still doesn't deserve to be murdered but that judge is ignorant for sure. Glad his mother is a good woman and doesn't try to justify what her son did and takes care of her granddaughter.
perhaps they had the intuition that she'd be safer with Ashley, had Ashley been kept alive. and we now know that is a fact, seeing as the father/step mom were capable of murder 🥴 the daughter is so brave and strong. i feel so sorry for what she's been through. lost both parents simultaneously and had an abusive caretaker after the fact
She should have never been awarded custody that way. I don’t understand how they sent the daughter home with a. Complete stranger. Very disturbing. That said, it still cannot in any justify her murder. Horrific
American courts. Mothers are constantly put on a pedestal even when they are garbage people
That's not what this video is about. You focusing on anyone's past and or the courts choice for custody is not your business. 100% of the time the court places the child with the biological parents first. You only see a snippet here. You have no idea of the details. Because this is about a woman whos life was taken.
THIS CASE IS NOT ABOUT ASHLEY BEING GONE!! NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY BUSINESS CASTING STONES ABOUT A CUSTODY AGREEMENT YOU KNOW NOTHING OF. THIS CONTENT IS ABOUT A WOMANS LIFE BEING TAKEN.
I'M CERTAIN NONE OF YOU WOULD BE OK WITH STRANGERS PICKING APART YOUR OWN FAILURES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ASHLEYS ABSENCE. IT IS ABOUT HER LIFE BEING TAKEN.
Now if it was a father who was the one who abandoned his child,would the courts even give him the time of the day in a custody case?
Yes. I know from personal experience. But all courts and judges are different so I guess it depends.
This happened recently and the child was killed. It’s a huge story in the news now. Father arrested for her murder. So, yes.
NOPE !!
@@nameunknown5736 u just got lucky & seen one in A million . Wow we found the needle 🪡 in the hay stack .
Oh brother here we go with this…
Title says she was found in her trunk, but the investigator who showed up on scene said she was in the back seat.. half on the seat, half on her floor.
That's a shame that they made that little girl go with someone she didn't even know. Why in the world would that judge give custody to that woman and take her out of a two parent household?🤦🏽♀️
I don’t understand this either. She just shows up and is able to get custody of a kid that doesn’t even know her? So weird.
This happens ALL the time!! When a kid goes to emergency foster care. So many situations the public have no idea about! It’s insane & unfair to the child
The poor child was doomed from the start! Her birth mom had issues. Her dad was a murderer-to-be, and her stepmother is an abusive murderous hag!
because she is a woman
You are hearing the story only from the dad's mother, and his lawyer. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. When men go off to the service for a couple of years no one bats an eye. If she didn't care for her kid, why would she want the child back? Chad may have had something in his past, like an arrest maybe? It would be highly unusual for her to get custody if this was a stable loving household, with a biomom, who was some awful person, who get the child. The mom and Chad's attorney are the only ones saying terrible things about Ashley.
Ashley sounds like an incredibly selfish narcissist. She abandoned her daughter and then showed up 6 years later to take her away from her father. Chad made a horrible decision. Erica getting pregnant by Chad's best friend is also horrible. What a mixed up group of people.
Poors
Probably because she's in the military.
@@steelhurricane4041lol Joining the military doesn’t stop you from checking up on your kid.
@@shaun5047 Well then, she abandoned her till the age of 5 or 6 years old.
@@steelhurricane4041 lol yes which isn’t exactly great. She didn’t deserve to die but it’s also crazy that she was able to just show up after 5-6 years and take the child.
Out of control rage 😡. Divorce and child custody battles bring out the worst in most people.
@2FLIPS3TWISTS003 - The Markel case is off the charts. 3 already in prison, another just convicted, ANOTHER one just arrested and indicted. Then there's Wendy. They're saving her for last.
@@CrazyMaryJo feminists successfully lobbied for several extremely-unfair laws and policies.. while men were busing overworking, drinking beer and watching sports.. such laws caused the death of countless people.. and caused major problems for millions of people
I would not call it revenge. It is coming to your senses. Chad has NOTHING to gain here. He protected Erica before. It had been 8 years in Prison. He knew she took part and was to be in custody as well. His sentence isn't reduced, his mother doesn't have any benefit...Erica deserves to be in prison.
This is a classic case of “what goes around comes around.” You betray, then you’ll eventually get betrayed.
If you are a true loving mother and father before you commit a horrendous crime, you should stop and think about your children and how it will affect them?
The amount of comments defending him is alarming.
@@rle7622 Same thing am saying.always think about the kids first.
some ppl would do anything for their kids including crime or die for them. maybe you simply cant understand what unconditional love is.
atleast the daughter knows she is forever loved by her father. a man who would do anything for her including life in prison.
@@kme9861Because It's so easy to be perfect from our armchair. This guy had his daughter stollen from him by a judge's Bad decision.
You know it just comes down to once again a bunch of adults you can't simply work out anything, damaged a young girl. Did trauma that that girl is going to have to overcome from her mother being murdered, her stepmom abusing her in her father going to prison is just so selfish. I feel for the daughter and the other kids. And nobody deserves to be murdered.
Why is everyone blaming the judge who gave her custody? This man beat her mother to death. Who tf thinks this is the type of person who should be raising a child? Add to it he left her with someone who was abusing her. He had the power to stop it, but didn't. This man should have never had custody of this child. She would have been better off with her mother. Now she has no parents and life long trauma. We don't know what information was given to make that decision. But it was the right choice.
@@moniquesmith3299 The thing is this. How could you give sole custody to someone who has been absent for 6 years. It's like losing your child to a random stranger. You'd go nuts! Furthermore, he loved and cared for the child during the mom's absence.
@@kevohmistari Again, giving his actions towards the mother AND knowing she was being abused while he was in prison means he had no business having her to begin with. If he truly loved her to the point he went crazy and murdered someone, he would have loved her enough to report that she was being abused and gotten her out of there the moment he found out. He didn't. He loved himself, not her. You can't justify this.
I’m blaming the judge.🖕🏾you, do something about it
That O.J. Simpson meme and Jay Z lyric is some wicked work. 🤦🏾♀️
😂
Judge should be charged with murder for misconduct on the situation
He should at least be disbarred,
Shame on how the court system destroyed families.
Every time I hear these murder investigation I realize how blessed I am for living by myself and single. We're living amongst psychological monsters
Maybe you should quit watching these videos. They seem to be distorting your view of reality.
Sounds depressing that you think that way
It's a cruel world. Cold and unforgiving. Gotta be strong to survive
Why did Cindy keep it for 4 years. Can’t figure that out
"Now I'm not gonna pick on a 15 year old, but...."
**proceeds to pick on a 15 year old**
That cheating wife surely uses drunkenness as excuse to cover for cheating and murder confessions. The mother in law said that erika said she didn't know who the dad was of her baby because she was "DRUNK and picked up guys" then the truth came out. On trial her attorney questioned her mother in law regarding the shots as if erika blamed her confession on her getting drunk by her mother in law to get her to say something she didn't want to. I imagine it something like 'i didn't want to say that but she got me drunk and made me say that' just like she says in the recording "i did what he told me to do, to make the call and order pizza.
One lie after another full of excuses and blaming it on beer, alcohol and others giving her orders
How does a judge give custody to a complete stranger? Ridiculous smh
Another exemple of male priviledge 😅
How are you able to take people trying to justify why they took someone's life version of events as the truth? She was not a stranger and they couldve filed for joint custody. Id bet my house and car she was able to prove they were keeping her from being able to contact her daughter while she was away in the military. And it takes money to get an attorney for family court. But unfortunately we'll never know cause they took her life so she cant tell her story and family court does not fall under foia/sunshine law.
And his mom is not a neutral witness nor does she have first hand knowledge of the events she is telling her son's version.
Maybe cus she’s not a stranger
That father's words make me weep. I'm so sad for that soldier's family. Praying for you.
Family court - Where evil lurks around every corner & case. That should be on the building.
Something makes me wonder that she didn't go absent that while she was gone in the military he probably didn't allow her any contact
All the negative comments about Ashley blows my mind. How is Chad and Erica better parents when they turned to murder because they “snapped”? That doesn’t justify murder. I mean didn’t you see the cruelty? There’s no way the judge would have given Ashley custody if there wasn’t any solid proof. Erica turned out to be abusive. I’m sure they did things to keep Ashley from being in the child’s life.
Poor child, all 3 adults were complete scumbags.
You have NO idea who Ashley was. You have no right to speak on a person who isn't alive to defend herself.
She abandoned her child…. Sounds like a scum bag to me lol
@@linamarie84SURE we DO!! She ABANDONED her BABY!! That’s EVIL!!!!
@@Tryp-j9d She's just coping because she hates her ex-husband.
Charge Mama Cobb eith obstruction of justice for holding on to that tape for 4 years.
Yes!! Why would she do that SMH
Facts
Why is she waiting 4 yrs to alert authorities.
This. She sat on that tape for four years allowing a murderer to walk free. Her lack of a moral backbone is appalling.
Sometimes allowing your food to cook rather than immediately serving it. The children were young stripping them of the only adult they have would have been reckless thinking, also keep in mind that Erica mentioned her guilt. She’s has been in complete fear and anguish for 4 years. The mother did right. Keeping in touch with Chad, getting her ducks in order. This was the best way to go about this
The way you explained it, that makes sense.😊
Because she was probably in on it
Thank you everyone in this case for seeing the truth ❤
If only he thought 5 times about the outcome. He lost all he's kids now 😢.
Sad.. This was just a toxic cocktail of people
This could of all been prevented
YOU….could HAVE had ONE grammar lesson!!!
"I'm not gonna pick on a 15 yr old." Proceeds to pick on a 15 yr old.
i feel bad for the little girl, i hope she grows up to be a strong independent woman
Men need to be strong and independent. Women need to compliment that by being feminine and nurturing
Yes as strong and fierce as her mother.
All the people blindly believing Chad's mom, who has a motive to lie, are just wild to me. Her narration paints Ashley in a bad light and her son as innocent tells you everything you need to know. Chad and mom are lying about everything. From Ahsley abandoning her child...going back andnforth between Chad and other women...coming back all of a sudden and gaining cusfody.
I'm not surprised Cindy raised a murderer...she didnt care thay her son was a convicted killer of someone she knew...only got bothered when she felt she wasnt given access to her grandchildren😳
Cydney should be charged fpr not telling the police right away
Funny how Chad only cared once she shacked up with her new love interest. And this 'devoted grandmother' refers to her granddaughter as "his daughter" instead of "my granddaughter".
All of these people suck and they all deserve to be in jail.
Lol, I bet she wishes she hadn't cut the grandmother out now. If she'd pretended to be faithful for a little longer and let the kids see their grandmother, she'd still be on the outside.
If I took the rap for someone and they built a family with someone else in my house, it wouldn't have taken 8 years. More like 8 minutes! 😂
This is one of those cases where everyone involved is terrible.
This is the same lawyer on that college daughter killing her mom case!! Impressive defense!!
Really annoying that you add the crime scene photos completely blurred out, they serve no purpose to viewers it's literally just a blob of distortion
It will be SO nice if these ignorant criminals will think twice BEFORE procreating. Chad claims to LOVE his childrens BUT that is NOT love is nothing but control. He was JUST
having one baby after another like it was nothing. If you REALLY love your Daughter why did you killed her mother? That is not LOVE but CONTROL. The childrens are the ones suffering.
He wasn't having one baby after another. He was having children with his wife and that lady was not his child's mother. She was an egg donor. The little girl didn't even KNOW her. That girl won't even miss that lady. She'll miss her father
please explain to me why burner phones would ever be nesscary? Serious question.
Mostly for drug deals.
We don't have them in Australia 🌏
30 to life after her retrial.
I don’t think that the mother of the daughter Was allowed to see or talk to her daughter , and probably had proof that she tried ! And actually behind the scenes fighting for her daughter. I’m not judging that situation bc I don’t know the whole story there
Put the tape away for four years and didn't think about it? Right. Blackmail? Extortion? Way to go, Mommy Dearist. Those grandkids should be kept from all of them!
She didn't know which way to turn. At least she had the foresight to preserve the recording.
@karenholley8356 She knew exactly where she could go. She obstructed an investigatiom by willfully withholding critical evidence.
@@karenholley8356there is no way as a grandmother you dont turn it over.she thought it would implement her son more since Erica was still blaming the husband.
Ur name says it all bout u
@@zyxwvut3397 Ouch. You hurt my fee fees bright and early. There goes my whole day!
Chad was manipulating Ashley. She did not have the money to fight Chad for her child! He was upset that Ashley didn’t want to be with him anymore. Ashley went to the military to make a better life for herself. Chad did not allow her to contact their daughter because she didn’t want to be with him!!! That judge granting custody to Ashley wasn’t random.
Yup, that’s what I was thinking too.
Shouldnt Chad's mom get in trouble for withholding that tape for so long???
She knew about the murder, wouldnt be a huge leap to think she helped planned it or knew it was gonna happen. The entire family seems dodge
Every adult here is a monster at various levels.
Exactly 💯
The mom isn’t evil for going to the army an getting her life together
To me the judge that gave the little girls mom witnout seeing the big picture is part of this murder and needs to be charged too.
The judge isn't responsible for the murder. The fact that Chad and Erica were capable of murder just shows the child shouldn't have been placed with them either.
@@jordansmith2380plus dont forget Erica had been abusing her. And it shows they wouldnt be above lying about Ashley contacting her daughter. They spun her going into military as abandonment. Chad has proven he is vindictive when things dont go his way so Im sure Ashley deciding to come out was a blow to his ego. Courts dont just do things and not let both parties know whats happening and their chance to repsond to the petition but if you dont want to share custody & cant show cause then thats a problem.
Plus, if she had really abandoned her daughter why didnt they petition to sever her rights so Erica could adopt her? Most likely because Ashely could prove she hadnt abandoned her & been trying to either locate or contact her.
Regardless of the judge decision you do not murder someone now he’s not with any of his children ! emotional decisions will screw you every time .
Grandma calling her "the daughter" is sus.
That newscaster now has his own real crime story channel. 🙂
Ummm I’m waiting for my domino pizza order and this popped up on my newsfeed 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Custody cases, in so many cases, are not understood / looked at thoroughly.
now it is 4 kids without their parents. where is the court system now? Are they supporting those children? Evil system we are under.
I agree. It's business as usual. They don't really care about anyone. It's their career. That's it. They send innocent people to prison and slap others on the wrists over serious crimes. Let murderers out early. It's political.
yeah not ppl killing others , right
@@babajaga158 WRONG!
@@mdemon9445 blame others for your own decissions and actions
@babajaga158 what decision or actions have I done?🤔 I'll wait.
Pizza delivery driving is a significantly dangerous gig. Respect the thin crust line.
😂😂😂😂 sorry I had to laugh at “respect the thin crust line”
The defense really said it was “freakish” to remember something from 8 years ago that was unusual and peculiar given everything that followed
Sad story man
Unreal… the system did Chad wrong from the get go, he shouldn’t have killed Ashley, but everyone has their breaking point, it’s not surprising this ended the way it did.
Exactly! Men get screwed over so much when it comes to custody battles. I'm not condoning him killing Ashley but like you said, everyone has a breaking point, especially when their children are involved.
This was incredibly one sided. You have no idea what the actual situation was. He is capable of murder, yet threatening her or keeping a child from her is a bridge too far?
Sick of the nonsense in family court. I have seen men lose rights over accusations only.
A person whose breaking point is homicide isn't the kind of person who should have children. He's not the first or last parent suffering from custody issues.
@@IXcircle children tend to be one of the main cause a spouse commits murder on another spouse. Talk to a psychiatrist about why that is.. your thinking to shallow on a huge problem obviously
This guy may not have killed anyone if Ashley hadn't walked into his life again. Makes me wonder how many people are out there that will kill if the right circumstances are presented.
His mom wants to still believe that her son is not a MURDERER
Why do people insist on meeting in cars and hotel rooms?! What about in the middle of a field in boxers?! I mean... damn...
The court should not have given the mother custody.
You dont know why they did. We are hearing one side of story being told to justify their unexcusable actions. Why didnt he do an emergency petition to modify or at least stay the judges motion so they could make their case in court.
Something is not adding up and I bet its because she was able to prove that they were keeping her from being able to contact her daughter that she didnt abandon her because she was in the military. They didnt want to share custody & probably didnt agree with her lifestyle.
Plus no telling how long the step mom had actually been abusing her. But, you'd rather she stay with the people capable of taling someone's life?
@@nechecam You're capping so hard
Why Cindy did wait 4 years to release the recording?
It’s really strange how she was in the military for that long but didn’t have the instinct to not meet behind an empty building at night. Nor had the ability to fight off an untrained overweight man. It’s weird.
That's what i was thinking
Stop blaming the victim esp when it's someone of a protected class. It just makes you look bad.
A. Not a combat zone, probably assumed it was just another day on the job, not the best thing to do for anyone let alone someone trained but were only human.
B. She was immediately tazed on a surprise attack and was set upon with the belt it said, there wouldn't have been much time to respond.
They make it sound very quick and calculated.
@maggiesanford8324 She's not victim blaming, she's just asking a question. Calm down.
@@maggiesanford8324what protected class? Human?
Making a child go w someone they dont want to go w is cruel
The judge should not have allowed Ashley to randomly pop up one day and get custody of her daughter without the father being able to fight for custody himself. However, Chad did not have a reason to assume that his daughter was being abused by Ashley and Ashley did not deserve to die because she wanted to be a mom
🤔💡 What comes around, goes around. Nothing goes unpunished 😮
Cindy needs to go to jail.
Your not kidding.
You plot to murder a fellow woman, an ex to your current husband; and was in the same a position as u were currently in ? How could you risk that ?
Everyone is talking about the judge making the wrong decision. However, the father made the ULTIMATE wrong decision... Now, the children have no father.
Yeah Mike OJ
Rest in Peace Rest in Heaven Rest in Power Rest in Love Ashley ❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤🕊❤
This is horrifying to hear as a dominos delivery driver. Mind you, the company doesn't let us carry pepper spray, or any defensive tool while working.
This thinking that women or mothers always, ALWAYS, have the best interest of their child over a man should STOP.
At 31:05/42:58 -- O.K. How the heck do you order half of a pepperoni & mushroom pizza? What happens to the other half? Or, do the pizza makers just take a large pizza and only put toppings on one side before they bake the whole pizza. Then, when it's done, they cut it in half and only deliver the side with toppings that were ordered? Is it me . . . or is anyone else having trouble understanding wth Cobb is explaining? (SMH)
Law&Crime -- You have outdone yourselves! This case was riveting. I want to delve further into the details and don't know yet (but hoping) that you covered the entire trial. Thank you for what you do!
You put each toppings on different halves
@@llllllllIlllIlIlits not that hard to comprehend. Put pepperoni on half, mushrooms on the other half. Bake it, then cut it into 8 slices. When i worked for Uno's people use to make those type of orders all the time.
The Judge is the one guilty in all this mess.
Can't watch this one, now the county acts like they care.
Everyone involved seems like terrible, petty people that shouldn't be around kids.
41:22 😂😂editing really dropped the ball on that suspense build
My Deepest Condolences Go Out To The Family and Friends✝🙏🏽💜🕊
Should have never taken 8 years if law enforcment valued people who aren't like them.
This is Nuts. I did 23 years in Butner prison for 2cnd degree murder and aggravated assault and to this day I never gave up my wife who tried to help with my cover up...
Thats because your wife never put your child in a cage or married your best friend
your situation is pretty different bro
I can't even imagine what this poor woman went through in her last few minutes. Just heartbreaking. Even though she was the killer's mom, I am glad she taped her former DIL so that all those responsible paid the price.
How does Chad afford four kids and a Navigator
Cable installers make really good money
Everyone failed that little girl. The judge, the mom, the dad and the dad's girlfriend.
Hope she has sane and loving people that helps her heal and trust again.
That's so sad
If the father wasn’t abusing the child, had a wife with 3 other kids, and the mother was been gone 98 percent of her life, how does a judge just give custody without even notifying the father?
The grandmother aint slick. She knew if Erika goes to prison she will get custody of her grandkids.
Law&Crime, do some more digging on this one--the custody testimony is one sided and Ohio doesn't just make decisions on behalf of an absent mom. If dude was capable of murder, "losing his daughter" didn't push him to killing.
None of this would have happened if the Courts would have given Chad custody of his daughter that He has raised since birth. The Courts failed the little girl.
Such crap. He murdered her. Stop blaming the courts.
@@lilij1915 Yeah, because a child in the custody of somebody that is absolutely capable of murder is a swell idea.
None of this would have happened if he didn’t murder her lol
He wouldnt have lost custody if he he didnt keep breaking rthe court order
I have no idea why the judge thought its ok to take a child out of her environment and give custody to an absentee mother. I am lost for words. Did this judge ever thought about the little girl how she must have felt to be sent off with a stranger, a mother she never knew. The judge should be held accountable for his actions.
How generous she wants to fight for our country but not for her child …
She was sold on the benefits
You meant fight for our oil.
She did fight for her daughter. Chad used her sexuality against her in court. He did not allow her to contact their daughter. There was a joint arrangement and Chad refused to ever follow it because Ashley didn’t want to be with him. Ashley struggle to find a job. That’s why she went to the military.
Beats me 😩😩😩, the nerve 🙄🙄
@@JustEvertonNope. Oil had nothing to do with it. We’ve got more oil here than they do. It’s all about globalist politicians in BOTH parties trying to be the “World Police “ and wasting American blood trying to Westernize countries that have no desire to change their way of life.
Someone took 30 minutes or less seriously lol!
Sounds like we should be upset at the system here
This proves the courts are never in the best interest for the child
Stefanko's original conviction was overturned by the Ohio Court of Appeals in July, 2022, and she is now in the 2nd trial.
How could this have happened??? You do what’s in the BEST interest of the CHILD!!!! At best she should have got visitation and honestly after all that time I’d of done supervised visits to make sure everything went smoothly and she was capable of being a mom after being gone for so long!!!
If u read the document on screen at abou 5:28 youll read that she did have visitation. He wasnt following the court order that favoured him, so he lost custody.
Something about this story being told from the dads pov doesn’t sound right. There are major holes in this theory
The judge failed this man…i blame the judge
Chris Watts probably has a similar story, but we'll never hear about it because the CBI is trash and just wanted him. They should've gotten ALL of the co-workers who were involved, especially his mistress.
Cindy Watts needs to befriend this Cindee and follow suit. Get them ALL.
I'm still in shock that NK was let go, after all get lies, deleted text messages, photos, cell phone pings etc. and who knows what else! She knows more and has done more than CBI ever let on to! Why was her Dad allowed in while questioning, why is the report redacted so much?! Way too many questions, and not enough answers!
not gunna happen. Chris will never testify against her, and she is in witness protection
@@Michelle-db8izgod you guys are so desperate for her to be guilty out of some weird puritanical old woman desire. There's literally no evidence she had anything to do with the murders, despite your obsession with punishing the other woman.
@Michelle-db8iz I couldn't agree more! Like the co-worker who returned to the scene and somehow missed her shallow grave. The co-worker who's wife's name happens to match that of a woman who called Primrose that morning. Hmmmm... The Firestick meeting? All of it. It was all weird and I think it was more than just CW and NK who were involved. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some pay off from the oil company in there. They're all corrupt, as far as I'm concerned.
How is this even remotely similar to Chris Watts?? What kinda crack you smoking over there?😂