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Metatron is back at the top of his game! I interpret Severus's reaction to the Black man as Denial. That Severus is Insecure about being Half Black and got insulted when a Black Man shared some of his Features. You know, like some Black People who try and wanna be 'white'. Like a Black Girl who flattens and dies their Hair Blonde, who eventually sees another Black Women who doesnt, and shit breaks out! Lol. Yes, Im comparing a Roman Emperor to Black Teenage Women... ;P Thats my hypothesis. Altho, as emperor he prob seen a lot of Black Folks everywhere. hmm... Maybe youre Right
I would like you to cover why the holocaust is pushed as the worst thing in human history when it had already been done to African people by Germany and with people like king leopold killing 15-20 million Africans and amputated so much more then made little chocolates to take the piss some of Europe don't even teach what leopold did everywhere teaches about the holocaust?
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That's okay--when I was first studying the Punic Wars as a kid (as every ten year old does, you know) I referred to those African dudes as 'Carthagians'. Took an intervention by a good friend to point out my error.
This is bringing back all the memories of seeing those black politicians in Britain during TV interviews saying how Septimius should be taught more in school curriculums so that little black boys and girls have an icon to aspire to in the otherwise white history of England. Note that the politicians never say that Septimius was black, but by repeatedly calling him “African” they are playing a linguistic association game to try and fleece you. It always felt strange at the time and now downright slimy looking back. 🤔
No joke, I thought Scipio was black for the longest time because of his nickname "Africanus" (and the statue of him being in black bronze didn't helped). I wonder if these people also made the same mistake except they never tried to learn more about him (unlike me with Scipio). Also, having a roman emperor as a figure to look up to isn't that good IMO so they're also wrong about that.
I just wish that people were taught the story of their countries without this color nonsense. If I was born and lived in Moçambique as a white guy, I would love to learn the local history first, the rest later.
@@Mr.Marbles Oh the horrors. To think Elon may be remembered in a positive light in the future is terrifying . But then again, that would mean we would still be here in a century or more so in a way, it's also reassuring.
He was of mixed Italian, North African and Middle Eastern descent most likely. Which highlights the diversity of the Empire, but he certainly wasn’t a Bantu.
Septimus was white. North Africans are (generally) white as well. As are Levantines--both are Mediterranean-variety white. I myself am Lebanese and white as the day is long. White means olive skin to pale skin, with the genetic variations with colored eyes and light hair. This is what we are. Anybody who thinks that we're a dark brown/black population (or that Septimus was the same) is out of their right mi nds, and needs help.
I can’t believe this is still debated! Look at how he is depicted 😂. Before watching I’m guessing he had Punic, Roman and potentially Berber ancestry (North African, Mediterranean European and Levantine ancestry). He was not black (Niger Congo, Chadic, Nilotic, Horner, Bantu, Khoi Khoi, Hadza, San, Pygmy, Omotic etc).
Its funny that when people hear Africa, they only think black Africans. Forgetting places like Egypt are also there and also the large majority of the North was well traveled and settled by others.
It reminds me of how most Americans think of China , Korea and Japan when they think of Asia but Asia also includes Persia , Nepal , Armenia , Israel, and even Russia but most people forget those countries are part of Asia.
Ngl, Septimius deserves much more recognition. Unlike other roman tyrants, he sucessfully ruled the Empire until his natural death. Shame his only appearence in modern media was a cameo in "The Fall of the Roman Empire" (1964)
Anthony Riches' 'Empire' series has reached the fateful year 193, and Severus figures quite prominently. In Riches' depiction he is supremely capable and also supremely frightening. Folk do what he says, without question or comment. Looks kinds like Marcus Aurelius, but oh, how very different a personality :)
You can say they about alot of people as tyrants tend to stand out from a crowd historically and currently. If someone does a good deed they are less likely to know about their deed than someone that done something bad.
I mean he technically is. Since he was born in Africa. And came to America. Also Northern Africa has many white Arabs that live there. Africans are not all black or white. Its a misconception that the entire continent is black and always was.
He is not African-American, as the USA has clearly spelled out who can be consider African-America by the USA definition of the races on the census and other government documents. Either way the term African American might be going away due the census reviewing changes to the racial categories. While African American was not take off the listing this time around, there is still a propose to get rid of it. Census is doing some data collections and researching opinions.
Completely insane that people actually believe it was even possible for a sub sarharan .. black African to have been an emperor of Rome.... we are seeing a concerted effort to re write history in an attempt to make people believe that Western society was always "diverse"
Black Africans and/or Africans with dark skin are not just below the Sahara firstly, second it seems the people who are looking to have some historical figures to be black are suffering from low self esteem and define themselves based on how others view them. If people want to have black historical figures to talk about, why not invest the time, energy, and resources in creating a education series of books telling their stores (I don't mean just focus on blacks who had contact with Europeans or Arabs). There is no need to co-op others people figures or cultures.
given the fact a number of roman rulers came from rather low origin or were adopted sonsor came frome regions of the empire with a huge number of mixed origin soldiers, it would be possible as well as for egyptian pharaos (no i do not refer to Cleopatra, but the time of nubian conquest). But we have no evidence so it did not happen probably... And as said those romans as we know did not have the the strange obsession of US-Americans with "race" and skin colour (even if those US- citiens deem them selves non-racist). Beside of this we had to look at other features lik nose , hair etc. In this, he does not really look of predominatly sub-saharan origin.
@@EyeOfTheWatchersorry but we live in the age of social media and the loser mentality. “I’m special - I’m unique - I’m a POC” so give me attention and praise. I’m 48 years old - grew up in the hood in Texas - all of this modern victim Olympics nonsense didn’t exist until social media exploded. It’s annoying AF.
The man is only African due to Modern terms. When Rome existed and even up till the 1900's you were what your group was, if you were English and born in China, you were English, just born in China. This is why 90% of countries in the world do not recognize ethnically different people as being a citizen. Go to Japan, you are not Japanese's just because you are born there, if you are of British parents. Also Punic people were Mediterranean Levant people. Which if he was half Punic, he would still not be Black African.
majority of countries absolutely does reckognise ethnically different people as citizens. Because being a member of an ethnicity and being a citizen are two different things. There are people around me who are ethnically Germans or even Vietnamese yet they are Czech citizens...
@@richardaubrecht2822western nations do that. Go outside of European western cultural heritages. No one in all of Africa will call you a citizen if you’re white. Afrikaaners are regularly denied being Africans. The rest of the world cares about ethnicity. It’s only white countries that decided to go extinct by not caring anymore.
@@richardaubrecht2822any country in Africa, any country in Asia. Your ethnicity matters to the other people around you. You will not be treated as “any other” citizen if your ethnicity is exotic.
@@richardaubrecht2822ONLY white nations do that. That includes South America. Since it’s the legacy of Spanish colonialism creating a wildly multi racial society. Where the native cultures and civilizations no longer exist. If you truly want to get to that state. A true multi ethnic and racial society where no one is treated differently. You have to completely obliterate the native culture. Do you notice what they say about white culture?
@@888thawk He didn't say anything racist if that's what you mean by "you types". While it is true that occasionally you will find racist people in the comments, that's unfortunately inevitable whenever you talk about Africa, not agreeing with Afrocentricity is absolutely fine. It's an academic position and it doesn't make you racist. I of course do not condone racism and racist comments in any way, towards any ethnicity (including White) but this comment was not racist.
@@SuperRyan810A person who associates every historical question about ethnicity when it comes to the contribution of dark skinned individuals throughout history as "Afrocentrism".
Another thing about skin tones seen in art is that many pigments will darken over time so a previously tanned guy on a painting can look a lot browner after as little as a century. Then you also have potential touch ups done by later artists who may or may not have gotten their colours right. If you look closely at the painting of Septimus you can see that the skin tone isn't consistent and it seems like the pale parts are way too pale which I think shows the difference in aging of the two pigments rather than an artistic choice.
If you look it up, even today, Tunisian and Libyan people often have very "medium" or olive skin-tones. If we must imagine him as some kind of color, I'd say that's probably the most reasonable guess.
I totally agree with you, especially with all of the trade between peoples. I still find it amazing that when I was younger, I had darker olive skin, but now I'm white. Of course I blame the pollution in LA, but really, I think it is possible he could have had skin that was an olive-type color or maybe he had a tan. I always imagine Cleopatra as a Greek with a darker skin tone. I think that might have been the same with Emperor Severus (not the Greek part, but the skin tone part).
@@WagesOfDestructionI’m Tunisian. Our skin tone ranges from very light olive to very dark olive skin. Emperor Septimus is more on the darker olive skin tone side.
@@paulodelima5705 how embarrassing. I even saw Metatron’s videos on the stupid Netflix “documentary.” I just didn’t think she looked like Elizabeth Taylor. I always thought she was darker like an uncle I had who was Greek. 🤦🏻♀️
Even a white man marching in the legions under the African sun can get pretty dark. My mom is an English Italian but when she tanned she could pass as Hispanic.
He's probably a mix between Berber (Amazigh) and Punic + other Mediterranean. I wish you talked more about the possiblity of him being an indigenous Libyan.
Do you think he didn’t do that by design. He constantly downplays the native element of North Africa in all of his videos. He said the same thing about Egypt and it’s even worse with the Maghrebi region. He keeps saying that we’re “extremely mixed”. We’re no more and no less mixed than most people in the Mediterranean and even beyond. You’ll never catch him say Sicily has always been extremely mixed. No, in that case he’s very quick to emphasise the natives of that region, ThE ITaLics. I’m not saying we don’t have a diverse genetic admixture with settlers and conquerors but we are still predominantly and recognisably of native ancestry…
Metatron avoids the mention of libyans/berbers probably cuz hes uneduecated about them and doesnt wanna come out as a bufoon talking with no citationnor reference. I just would prefer if he would come out in the clear about this.
@@psychopassisamasterpiece1997 He educates himself and then talk about the region… Deleting the native ethnicity from their own lands is no better. We’re not just a bunch of mixed and rootless mishmash of people…
I havent seen the video, but anyone can google for pictures of Zinedine Zidane, which although born in France, has family from Algeria (or Morocco?) and thus is African in origin. And also for photos of ASIAN Bashar al-Assad... Africa and Asia are quite huge and peple around the mediterranean have more in common with each other than with people on the extreme east of Asia or south of the Sahara.
A funny thing is, when I first heard of this "African emperor" many years ago, I never cared if he was white, black or anything in between. But now I'm endlessly annoyed with this race swapping. Same as for the 3 "African popes". This would also be a good theme I think for a series: the papacy. One of the most ancient continuous position, endless scandals, cover-ups, intrigue, nepotism, corruption, debauchery and controversy.
There are people in South America that have naturally white skin but in America they have to label themselves as Hispanic on paperwork, just like a lot of Asians have naturally white skin and they have to label themselves has Asian on documents, I'm mostly German with a little bit of Italian and for some reason I have to label myself as Caucasian even though none of my lineage comes from Georgia Armenia or Azerbaijan.
You have supreme court cases and the racisms of the day for that. The Hispanic\Latino field was not added to the census until the 1970s (I believe), as before then people from south of the border would select white or in some documents might had a Mexican option. Ironically, if you are from the Sudan you can be consider white by the definition of the USA census regardless if you have dark skin (this was done in part to get oil coming in from the Sudan). Recent changes to the census is being Middle Eastern\North Africa category, which does not include the people from the Sudan. If you have a chance you should read one of the supreme court cases where an Indian, from India, augured how people hijacked the term Ayran and Caucasian.
Worth noting that writing down your skin color on paperwork/documents is an exclusively American (and maybe South African?) thing. I'm a Polish immigrant in Japan and I NEVER in my entire life had to write down my race anywhere. Not in Poland, not in Japan, not on the immigration paperwork, and not in any other European countries I've visited. Of course I'm writing down my nationality everywhere. I've written down my religion a few times in Poland, but not very often. And then there's my height and eye color written down on my Polish ID. But there's no document anywhere in the world that states my race, ethnicity, or skin color. So only Americans are obsessed about it to the point it has to be stated on their official documents.
@@med2904 we still use height hair color and eye color but yes when you are applying for certain things you have to check a box that relates to your skin color, they call it your ethnicity yet it has nothing to do with culture, everything on the ethnicity option list is about skin color. It makes no sense to me either. Maybe four an officer or a private investigator to find somebody, wants to make sure that he doesn't pick the wrong man or woman but maybe they use it for statistics, even though it is flawed. My family is not from the Caucus region of Asia, therefore no Europeans should be called Caucasian. Again, it makes no sense
I'm white Hispanic and I've started to see papers that actually put race and ethnicity as different. So I can put Hispanic as my ethnicity and white as my race. But yeah in many documents they still make no distinction and you are either white or Hispanic.
“Africa” is not only Sub-Saharan Africa, nor are all Africans negroid. But that’s not politically convenient, is it? Likewise, given the layers of colonization in Northern Africa, and the travel possibilities in the Roman world, ancestry could be complicated.
@@Arkantos117Bantu is a language family! Many people in this language group do not share characteristics. Like Tutsi people in some cases look like Horners but, aren’t genetically related to them.
@@admirekashiri9879bantu has 500 groups with different looks on the god king besides language. They might be the pure ones since others are mixed with whites Asians like the San people
There's an obsession at the moment with whether people are "black". It's so 19th century - a time when everyone had to be put in a box, regardless of the diversity of the people put in that box. They just had more boxes back then - Orange (Austronesian), Yellow (East Asian), Red (Indigenous American) etc. People now find these labels archaic and offensive. When is the black box going to go the same way?
By the way, this wasn't an attack on people investigating people's ancestry as Metatron did. It's the divisive, inclusive/exclusive nature that applies to the debate.
Pretty dumb comment. "Black" is a synonym for SSA, the same way that "White" is a synonym for European. There is no good reason to get rid of this categorization.
@@-scrim There is plenty of good reason the main one being it's entirely wrong. Melanin dominant individuals aren't exclusive to SSA and Melanin deficient individuals aren't exclusive to Europe. Neither is curly, wavy, or straight hair texture. So again how is that a dumb comment?
The hilarious part is that African born Roman Septimius Severus' protegé and short lived emperor Marcus Opellius Macrinus _was_ an indiginous north African of what we'd call Berber/Amazigh today. But I guess the Emperor who ruled for 18 years is cooler than the Emperor who ruled for 14 months... You could sum it up with Septimius being the Roman equivalent of an Anglo-Indian like Rudyard Kipling while Marcus being an anglisised Indian like Ben Kingsley.
No you can't sum up over 12,000 years of ethnic admixture using your Black/white racial construct lens. You can't even sum up the last 500 years that way. None of our genetic history can be told by looking at someone. That's absolute nonsense.
But then Macrinus is a much better leader and emperor than the person who usurped him: Elagabalus, the trans icon and one of the worst Roman Emperors of all time.
It doesn't matter because we are dealing with prejudice, and irrational thinking. To those people, Africa means sub Saharan Africans, it doesn't matter if it is North Africa or Egypt or even NE Africa which have different origins, different hunter gatherer ancestors to West Africans who are the typical Black person to them. The more older Pygmies and KhoiSan Africans are totally ignored, as is the homogenizing effects of the Bantu speaking farmers from the Cameroons that moved to the east and south of Africa.
@@kuronoch.1441As a trans girl, the fact that people see Elagabalus as an icon while ignoring his unhinged character and misogynistic antics confuses me
The fact that we can have these types of discussions is a good indication that the people of that time were less concerned with the ethnicity of people than the cultural background of people. This is exceptionally true when you consider the Mediterrian where the presence of the sun can darken many a more lighter tone skin. (And looking at the illustration given, I was more drawn to the nose than the color of the skin, although, this might be a bias on the part of the painter, although the same is true for the use of skin tone.) And while the notion of a specific ethnic mixture in a specific ethnic context may sound appealing, in an era of cultural tightness, the almost practical ignorance of background over the more cultural context is significant. This was a clash of cultures, not a clash of ethnic origins (although, as you pointed out, the difference in appearance did freak out some people on occasion).
Good to see your logical, well thought out delving into Roman history. Always interesting, looking back on history. Too many times, people try to make history fit their own agenda/s. Thank you for being unbiased.
I think one of the biggest problems I see in the media in historical interpretations is that "Black" usually means not just sub-Saharan African skin tone, but also "American Black culture coded.". So the historical characters will behave like modern American Black culture, which makes no sense at all and erases the multicultural aspects of Africa.
Australian Aborigines and Pacific Islanders call themselves black, and living in Australia some of the Aborigines are as dark as the darkest black Africans, the Sudanese. When I hear Black I think of Australian Aborigines not Americans or Africans or South Indians.
@@Ponto-zv9vf I think the reason I'm noticing it happen in the way I described is because I'm American, so Hollywood is making these movies. It's so interesting how different cultures perceive colorism and cultural labels because here, Americans would refer to Aborigines as "Indigenous" regardless of skin color. And they separate Asian/Pacific Islanders in another category. That's why I prefer historical movies that do Metatron level analysis of sources to make sure a culture or historical person is represented correctly as opposed to all the random identity labels used here in the US. We use our labels as the "world standard" which makes zero sense.
@@Sidera17 As a Czech I have to say American ra*ists are a special kind of ra*ists indeed. No other country is so obsessed with r*ce and no other country makes up so absurd categories of r*ces.
All this talk about whether he was pun-ic or _italic_ distracts from the question whether he was *bold.* (What is beyond argument, though, is that once he became emperor, he was underline, and on his death that line ascended.)
Septimius Severus was as Roman as a Roman can get. His paternal side was western Carthaginian origin - Spaniard as Maximus - and his maternal side was from officials of Latium region. Yes, he was considered “white European” in today’s standard.
Another great article,love it . Would love more about the iberian peninsula, specially Portugal during the Rome times . Viriato was a very interesting chief of the lusitanians that I would love to no more detailed.
I want to know why is still a thing. There are many historical figures who are black that people can talk about. The Knights of Liberty, founded by Moses Dickson, in the USA is a prime example.
I've met Bavarians and northern Italians that are pasty white in the winter and brown enough in summer that they could be mistaken as Pakistani-Indians.
Wite is not askin kullah, its a particular race. You get dark and bronze White people, that doesn't un-White them. Its perfectly obvious from their physical features, not from the popular obsessive attribute of skin colour. Its everything BUT skin colour.
In general, this lack of information about the appearance of even important people in ancient and medieval times is strange (is not always the case, but surprisingly often).
When studying historical documents you have to keep in mind several things. First is that they weren't written with the idea that people would be using them centuries later, they were written for a specific audience. That leads us to a second thing to keep in mind, who the target audience of the document was. Oftentimes what we today describe as a historical document was a letter written from one person to another, so the audience was definitely one particular person and not posterity. The last thing to keep in mind is who wrote the document. What were his (99.9% of the time it will have been a man) reasons for writing it, what was the motivation. That often will go hand in hand with point two. Keeping these things in mind it isn't strange to not have descriptions of what people looked like in historical documents because, contrary to popular belief, there was very little movements of peoples throughout history, or if there was it was large migrations where one people supplanted the majority of a native population in a given region. Historians often overemphasize the amount of travel that occurred do to trade to let us know that people were very mobile before modern transportation, which leaves many to believe that it was permanent settlement, however the vast majority of those merchants returned to their native lands at the end of the trading season. So when taking into account that the target audience of a 'historical' document was mostly the same as the writer and that they were mostly speaking of events within their regions there would be no reason to be descriptive of peoples looks unless they were very different from those that both the author and his audience were familiar with. People very rarely speak about the humdrum day to day of life but talk about unusual events, and people, outside of the ordinary. Unless the subject of a document were very 'other' it wouldn't have been mentioned.
There are statues of Septimus Severus, and the painting of his family. So we have a good idea. There are representations of Cleopatra and Hannibal and other Carthagenians. It doesn't matter to prejudiced people as Africa means Black people to them. Augustine was from North Africa as well, so I guess he goes into the Black category to them.
I stopped assuming Africans were black at 13 when a guy from Africa whiter than I was joined our Boarding school. How people can become grown ups without this realisation beggars belief.
I have to take notes and study after watching you. Fascinating!!!! I was a high school history teacher, and I never realized that I knew nothing...except from the philosophical paradigm. Thank you!
Look, I have seen a lot of dna results of North Africans and Egyptians. They do have sub Saharan ancestry, in Mozabites it's about 25%. It matters not to me, but you can expect racists to make a big deal about it. European Americans who are from the South also have sub Saharan ancestry in low percentages. Whenever people of different origins are close to each other, they will mix.
@@Ponto-zv9vf It’s a big deal for me that my people won’t get completely erased from memory. Mozabites are actually more of an outlier than the norm as they experienced higher intermixing with the Fulani people whom they also influenced, which explains their notable west Asian dna markers in their populations. They even look like they were intermixing with North Africans. So, instead of trying to draw out your long winded sophistry even more maybe try to respect and listen to what the natives are trying to say. We don’t want to be effaced. Some people don’t even know we exist and they think Africa equals black, that’s effed up. A whole large chunk of the world population completely erased from global consciousness and systematically misrepresented in western. It’s not enough that we’re still dealing with European colonialist policies. They are doing most of the digs in North Africa, enforce French on our educational and governmental institutions and actively endorsing autocratic regimes. We also have to fight for the fact that we exist! We are the natives of our lands period! We’d be equally offended if we got racially represented as white or even purely middle eastern like our esteemed Metatron was doing here. He was listing the possible ancestral admixtures of the Punic people as mostly Levantine or maybe a bit Celtic, Greek or whatever but he failed to even imagine the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the punic people might also have North African Amazigh ancestry, you know, the people who lived and intermixed with the few Phoenician settlers since the 8th century bc!!! He didn’t mention native Amazigh at all as a possibility. This is atrocious! So yeah, eff you whether you’re white, black, or a green ass lizard. You cannot tell the natives to not defend their own identity and place in the world! Enough is enough!
@@Ponto-zv9vf Well, it is not extremely multiethnic but it is mixed. These DNA are modern but during the Roman period North Africa was just berber and Egyptian with some greek, roman, phoenincian and other small minorities. It was less multiethnic then Rome.
@@paulodelima5705I wonder why no one calls Roman or Sicilians “extremely mixed”. Sicily even had a high number of Phoenician settlers, yet he wouldn’t claim that the people of western Sicilian are of Levantine origins… He completely disregards the native Amazigh admixture with the Phoenician *minority* that settled in North Africa. It’s been demonstrated time and again that cultural spread doesn’t match genetic and ethnic spread. The Fins and Sami of today speak mostly Uralic languages but they predominantly Nordic in appearance and genes with some contribution from the people who brought the Uralic culture to the region. Same in Turkey and the Mediterranean. This doesn’t mean that the natives completely got replaced. They mostly adopted the cultures of minorities that brought it or imposed it on them. Large migrations leave a larger trace on the dna of the natives but that still doesn’t dissolve the existence of the natives and justify the claim that the region is just “highly mixed”. The Meratron didn’t even consider native ancestry for the Punic people… It’s atrocious at this point…
@@AlexIncarnate911 maybe because actual tests on modern Italians have found negligible foreign admixture. The idea that they are mixed is not based on reality.
I ran into precisely this question when researching my family tree (was this man of Roman/Italian ancestry in Africa or the other way around or even a bit of both?), so thank you for solving the mystery for me! (I also discovered that when the Romans refer to Mauritania it is nowhere near the current African nation as borders/territories have shifted so much over time) but equated much more to the area corresponding to modern day Morocco/Algeria/Tunisia (roughly). Those Romans documented a lot but you have to be careful what they said actually means what you think it means in the modern context. Thank you for demystifying some of it for me and please keep up the amazing work.
I don't agree, but I'm open to hearing your grandmother's argument. What is her argument that he was Black? *Reply to:* _"Sorry but my grandma said “No matter what they say Septimius Severus was black.” I’m actually going to be in the Netflix documentary about it"_
@@Elbobertadore Ah, I missed that. I found an article , "This Man Was Encased in Volcanic Ash in Pompeii. Here’s What His DNA Reveals," that you seemed to be referencing so I was curious.
@@Elbobertadore The image of the destruction of the Roman port city of Pompeii in 79 C.E. by the volcanic ash of Mount Vesuvius is one that likely haunts the mind of any classics student. Its fate was fodder for terrifying descriptions of death and despair, and ever since the city’s ruins were discovered in the 16th century, its eerily preserved people have inspired fear and fascination. They’ve been the subject of furious study ever since-and somehow, researchers and the public are still captivated by preserved Pompeiians centuries later. Now, for the first time, researchers have fully sequenced the complete DNA of a Pompeiian, offering an inside view of one person who died in the eruption’s aftermath. A new study published Thursday in Scientific Reports provides more detail on the complex genetic make-up of a Pompeiian man. Academics analyzed petrous bones located at the base of the skull of two sets of remains found in the Casa del Fabbro, or House of the Craftsman. The bones belonged to a 5-foot-4 man in his late 30s or early 40s and a woman over 50 years old about five feet in height. DNA extracted from the female’s bones did not give sufficient information for a full analysis. Two skeletons lie in a house in a black-and-white image The remains were found in the Casa del Fabbro, or House of the Craftsman. Notizie degli Scavi di Antichità, 1934, p. 286, fig. 10. Both bodies were found lying on a triclinium eating space in what was likely the home’s dining room. Like others in Pompeii, they were going about their daily lives when disaster struck. In fact, the study’s authors write, more than half of “individuals found in Pompeii died inside their houses, indicating a collective unawareness of the possibility of a volcanic eruption or that the risk was downplayed due to the relatively common land tremors in the region.” Further testing showed the man likely had spinal tuberculosis. Surviving reports of Rome suggest the disease was a common affliction at the time. Though scientists had tried to sequence Pompeiian DNA before, previous attempts to study more than small strands failed. This time, they succeeded-but given the study’s small sample size and the fact that the woman’s DNA could not be analyzed, it’s unclear how similar research could fare in the future.
@metatronyt 14:06 I've had some discussions with Ancient Historians about the Severan Tondo especifically and how it can be used as proof that Septimus Severus was indeed darker than most roman emperors, however I was told by a variety of them (I'm also in academia so I have access to a lot of Ancient History professors) that this portrait's provenance is probably Egypt and many times the Roman emperors had their skin tones slightly altered depending on which province their portrait was being sent to, as a way to create a closer relationship with the people. So while they agree that he was born in africa, was part punic, part semitic, etc which are undeniable facts, they reject the use of the Severan Tondo as defenitive proof that Septimus Severus was this dark. What are your/your team's thoughts on this? Edit: I forgot to say, because augusta Julia Domna is portrayed here with significantly pale skin, when she was from Syria, and so is Caracalla, and Caracalla would probably not be as pale as it is shown had his father been naturally as dark. The other option is this was the first Roman Emperor to take sunbathing as a serious hobby.
Well, you know that Europeans were darker before the Bronze Age, the addition of Indo-European ancestry to hunter gatherer ancestry and neolithic farmer ancestry basically made Europeans lighter especially in the north as they have more Indo-European ancestry about 50%.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Before Bronze age the farmers were the majority and they were light skinned. There was a natural selection for lighter skin in Europe during this period.
16:33 my mother is black, like Nutella color black … and she has a young cousin darker and was shocked when she first met him after years without going to our mother country… he was so dark he appeared almost blue… she called him Avatar 🤦🏾♂️ so of course some black people can be surprised by some people blackness 😂 black comes in different shades 💁🏾♂️
@@metatronyt as I said, she “was shocked when she first met him” but yeah, surprise is one thing… but isn’t shock a form of surprise? 😏 Anyway to make it clear, I totally agree to the overall point of this video. Love your content ! Truth need to win.
Can you make a video about north African natives please because in all of your videos you seem to undermine the fact that North Africans in general are of west Asian descent with a little percentage of south European and sub-saharan contributions. Actually, I recently discovered that they had a remarkable impact on a subsaharan population, the Fulani people, which explains their above average west Asian dna markers and their unique appearance.
North Africans are not West Asian, it is indigenous to North Africa. They do have European ancestry, how they got it, you could make a few guesses. Yes have have sub Saharan ancestry.
@@Ponto-zv9vf North African natives originate from west Asia but have developed some few genetic mutations that are specific to them in time. Subsaharan and south European ancestry is relatively small. It’s there but that doesn’t negate the fact that we are a separate offshoot of West Asian populations that migrated to North Africa in several waves in the early Neolithic and maybe earlier.
If by african you mean half - punic than yes. He was not "americanized" understanding of african. These were alive in subsaharan africa. And Septimus was from former Carthage. Cato the Elder would "love that".
Off-topic but you might be interested in this. I recently ordered and received your Imperial Roman legionary T-shirt. I wore it to church this Sunday never dreaming that one of the readings would be from Paul's letter to the Ephesians where he talks about putting on the whole armor of God! It got quite a bit of attention afterwards as now people could see what Paul was talking about!
I personally put a lot of blame on Septimius for the fall of Rome, making precedents that would keep escalating over the third century, breaking the relatively stable system under the Five Good Emperors. They do not realise "claiming" him is an own-goal, similar to Elegabalus.
I have never heard anyone modern use white to mean only people from Germanic or Anglo-Saxon origin... I've only heard it used to refer to someone of European origin or to someone with pale skin who is not of European origin. Note; the measure for how light the skin must be has only been applied to non-European origined people; all people of European origin.
yeah ppl should differ between aryan and white.an albino negro is not "white" while being paler than me. it´s about the culture of using the brain instead of fists, hard work and fairness, empathy, moral compass that we really mean. that what differentiate them from the other group.
We Europeans must be far more strident in our pride for our great people, given this intense adversity from certain groups against us. Great analysis, but at the end no need to soften your point by shifting importance to other things like his policies or skills etc. Be White and be proud!
19:56 Anglo-Saxons are Germanic, every Anglo-Saxon is Germanic, but not all Germanics are Anglo-Saxons, Scandinavians are also Germanic btw. Of course Benjamin Franklin had no idea about this and he what he said was that only the English and the German Saxon were white, because he knew the English were descendent of Saxons so it wouldn't make sense for him to call Germans non-white like he did, while saying the English were white. English, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Icelandic, Danish and Swedish are all Germanic languages and these ethnic groups descendents of the people that lived in the area the Romans called Germania.
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@karimmezghiche9921 He was African in the same way that Cyrus The Great or Ashoka were Asian which is to say that he was from Africa but he did not look like Sub-Saharan Africans just like how Cyrus and Ashoka were Asian but they didn't look like people from China or Japan.
By the logic of some woke "historians" regarding North Africans being black in the ancient world, all white Afrikaners of Dutch decent must be black as well.
@@HuwiteMcCrackerson Some people regard all groups living in Africa as "black," which is inaccurate. North Africa, particularly around the Mediterranean, has been historically populated by Semitic peoples, Greeks, Romans, and others from the Middle East. When we refer to "black" Africans, we typically mean groups that evolved in West and Central Africa before modern times. Interestingly, the San Bushmen are genetically more distant from West Africans than West or East Africans are from Europeans, as the San were relatively isolated for around 70,000 years. In more recent times, with the Bantu expansion and Arab influence, West Africa has become genetically very diverse. The Afrikaners, a group with European, Khoi San, Bantu, and Malayan heritage, have lived in Southern Africa for about 370 years. If modern Egyptians are considered "black" because they live in Africa, then, by the same logic, Afrikaners should also be considered "black"-which clearly makes little sense. It's ultimately a question of the degree of genetic mixing, and the picture is complicated.
@@atheistbushman Well obviously living somewhere for 370 years doesn’t make you said native of that land. Yeah Egyptians for the most part brown arabs, ofc you have the nubians that also live near or in Egypt (can’t remember), and also the mediterranean people.
@@HuwiteMcCrackerson Turkish people entered Anatolia around 1000 BC Do that land belong to the Greeks? The Ottoman Empire started in the 14th century, around 300 years after conquest! (less than the European presence in the Cape) Perhaps we have an anti-european bias when looking at history.
I have a video idea, what about a video about the relationship between the Italians on the mainland and Sicilians, my ancestors came from the area around Agrigento.
One of my favourite Emperors since I read a book about mighty roman politicians and generals from 1935. Another very underrated roman General is Lucius Licinius Lucullus.
As an American I've never known an American to not consider Irish or Italians not white. Known a few old timers that disliked Italians, Polish, etc but even they considered them white.
Hi there! It was the case that Italian and irish people and even Finns(which I am) were not considered white. But this is more of a 19th century, early 20th century thing. Finns are not caucasians but part of the mongoloid group if you use those old ethnic terms and were considered yellow and thus could not receive American citizenship in early 20th century. Or they did eventually, but there was a legal thing about it in maybe I wanna say 1911?
It's pretty curious that the emperor whom Septimius deposed obtained the throne by literaly buying the Empire from the Praetorians. In the end, the investment did not go very well 😅
1) That pronunciarion of "Holzkern" was not half bad. Definitely better than mine of Italian terms... 2) "the way white is usually used in Europe" Is it that? Never thought about it, not being as obsessed with 'race' as Americans (finding the entire thing ridiculous tbh, it's not like you can really give any answer besides "homo sapiens" to that question...). If I had to define 'white', I'd probably say 'fair skin' and not exclude people liek Musk just because he's from South Africa.
In Europe people either use the term European or their country to define themselves. Some places in Europe hate being confused with each other and have been enemies since the year 1138(Spain and Portugal). Other cases of this is the entirety of the Balkans and even Slavs. (Yeah they're all Slavs but confuse a Croat with a Serb or an Albanian with a Serb). And even Anatolian Turks and Greeks, who are genetically close whether they like it or not, if you confuse a Turk and a Greek you're also asking for problems. Oh and a Swede and a Norwegian. Maybe a Finn and a Swede too even though the beef isn't nearly as strong as all the other ones I mentioned. Even inside the country itself, imagine, Spain, people will say they're "Galician" "Castillan" or "Valencian". The Portuguese will tell you they're "Lusitanian" and will flat out reject being put as the same kind of human being as the Spanish or the French, because they're taught that the blood of Viriathus flows within them, hence they are favoured by the old gods and the new, whilst all other races (Besides Lusitanian) will eventually come under their control. - It's called the fifth empire, google it. So the American way of just putting all these people, who look different, have different religions, have been killing each other ancestors since time immemorial, have completely different and sometimes clashing cultures and religions, into the bag of "White people" is extremely reductive and extremely wrong. Yes all Europeans alive are less than 0.15 degrees in genetic deviation from all other peoples, yes all Europeans are the same people genetically, but there is so, so much more to it than that.
Well going on names alone there was an important eastern Roman emperor called Maurice (Mavrikos) and that name means Moorish but then there was also a saint called Saint Maurice who is believed to have been a Moor and is usually depicted as a Moor in Christian iconography. A town and monastery in Savoy is named after him and it was the mausoleum of what eventually became the Italian royal family or house of Savoy.
@@BelieverOfChrist2 Only the loud and racist minority are like this. I'm certain there are plenty of black folks that are subscribed to this channel and not the Afrocentric mindset.
Hey Metatron. I enjoy watching these kind of video's. They are very educational. And expand my horizon and knowledge about historical places and people. Can you do a video about The White Skinned and Red Haired Mummies found in China and several other countries? I am curious to know if they where from the Yamnyana culture who lived near Caucasus or the steppes of EuroAsia. And did they helped advancend civilization they encountered?
@@HuwiteMcCrackerson Still waiting to find the space ships that all the Asian, Hispanics, Whites must have come from as evidently we just all landed one day and took everything..
That illustration by Amelianvs(Severus meets Ethiopean soldier) exist also in color now.Well,given to the subject in question it would be better to use that one 🙂.
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Now do actual Caucasians. That should stir it up. 😂
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Metatron is back at the top of his game! I interpret Severus's reaction to the Black man as Denial. That Severus is Insecure about being Half Black and got insulted when a Black Man shared some of his Features. You know, like some Black People who try and wanna be 'white'. Like a Black Girl who flattens and dies their Hair Blonde, who eventually sees another Black Women who doesnt, and shit breaks out! Lol. Yes, Im comparing a Roman Emperor to Black Teenage Women... ;P Thats my hypothesis. Altho, as emperor he prob seen a lot of Black Folks everywhere. hmm... Maybe youre Right
I would like you to cover why the holocaust is pushed as the worst thing in human history when it had already been done to African people by Germany and with people like king leopold killing 15-20 million Africans and amputated so much more then made little chocolates to take the piss some of Europe don't even teach what leopold did everywhere teaches about the holocaust?
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I swear before I started filming I told myself 100 times "Septimius, Septimius! Not Septimus" And here we are. I said Septimus :D
Murphy's law!
Isn't strange? Like when we tell ourselves not to forget something 😅
Great video and keep up the good work, don't sweat being human 🫡
I'm sure Septimus is an Elder Scrolls character. So there you go, you can blame Todd.
That's okay--when I was first studying the Punic Wars as a kid (as every ten year old does, you know) I referred to those African dudes as 'Carthagians'. Took an intervention by a good friend to point out my error.
English takes over
This is bringing back all the memories of seeing those black politicians in Britain during TV interviews saying how Septimius should be taught more in school curriculums so that little black boys and girls have an icon to aspire to in the otherwise white history of England. Note that the politicians never say that Septimius was black, but by repeatedly calling him “African” they are playing a linguistic association game to try and fleece you. It always felt strange at the time and now downright slimy looking back. 🤔
They have plenty of real black historical icons they can aspire to! 😂 These people and their virtue signalling are so cringe man.
No joke, I thought Scipio was black for the longest time because of his nickname "Africanus" (and the statue of him being in black bronze didn't helped). I wonder if these people also made the same mistake except they never tried to learn more about him (unlike me with Scipio).
Also, having a roman emperor as a figure to look up to isn't that good IMO so they're also wrong about that.
I wonder if in 800 years they tell black kids that elon musk was black because he lived in south africa 😂
I just wish that people were taught the story of their countries without this color nonsense.
If I was born and lived in Moçambique as a white guy, I would love to learn the local history first, the rest later.
@@Mr.Marbles Oh the horrors. To think Elon may be remembered in a positive light in the future is terrifying . But then again, that would mean we would still be here in a century or more so in a way, it's also reassuring.
He was of mixed Italian, North African and Middle Eastern descent most likely. Which highlights the diversity of the Empire, but he certainly wasn’t a Bantu.
middle east no way !
@@nixonndombe7368 Levantine.
Yea, not the kind of diversity that is desirable. Diversity among European people yes, but not miscegenated dongs.
Is anyone saying the Punic people were Bantu?
Septimus was white. North Africans are (generally) white as well. As are Levantines--both are Mediterranean-variety white. I myself am Lebanese and white as the day is long. White means olive skin to pale skin, with the genetic variations with colored eyes and light hair. This is what we are. Anybody who thinks that we're a dark brown/black population (or that Septimus was the same) is out of their right mi nds, and needs help.
I can’t believe this is still debated! Look at how he is depicted 😂. Before watching I’m guessing he had Punic, Roman and potentially Berber ancestry (North African, Mediterranean European and Levantine ancestry). He was not black (Niger Congo, Chadic, Nilotic, Horner, Bantu, Khoi Khoi, Hadza, San, Pygmy, Omotic etc).
Good to see you in the comments mate
@@metatronyt it’s good to see you’re active with more videos. I had to drop what I was doing to watch 😂
Chadic and Omotic were originally browns from Natufian too :)
@@cubbelicommando Well they’re defined as black today. 🤷🏾♂️
@@admirekashiri9879 but in facts they are blacko-browns just like another Afro-Asiatic Cushitic Somalis.
"Be harmonious to each other, enrich the soldiers, and scorn all other men."
Septimius Severus' last words to his children Geta and Caracalla
Be excellent to each other and party on.
Shame his successors weren't competent enough to avoid the Crisis of the 3rd century.
Caracalla listened to the last part, but not the first. He murdered his brother and raised the army's pay.
_"I have been all things, to no avail."_
And their children ignored his words.
Its funny that when people hear Africa, they only think black Africans. Forgetting places like Egypt are also there and also the large majority of the North was well traveled and settled by others.
The thing is that those places were inhabited by non black natives
You dont even need settlers to find non blacks
@@AB-fr2ei Correct.
Native North Africans are not black.
Even if North Africa wasn't well traveled and settled by others the natives were not black.
It reminds me of how most Americans think of China , Korea and Japan when they think of Asia but Asia also includes Persia , Nepal , Armenia , Israel, and even Russia but most people forget those countries are part of Asia.
No shit? Really? Who would've guessed that Asia had that much diversity? Jackass.@@lionandwolfboy8714
Ngl, Septimius deserves much more recognition. Unlike other roman tyrants, he sucessfully ruled the Empire until his natural death. Shame his only appearence in modern media was a cameo in "The Fall of the Roman Empire" (1964)
Anthony Riches' 'Empire' series has reached the fateful year 193, and Severus figures quite prominently. In Riches' depiction he is supremely capable and also supremely frightening. Folk do what he says, without question or comment. Looks kinds like Marcus Aurelius, but oh, how very different a personality :)
Likely because there wasn't much controversy in his time. But I'm just guessing because I'm just starting looking at the Romans.
You can say they about alot of people as tyrants tend to stand out from a crowd historically and currently. If someone does a good deed they are less likely to know about their deed than someone that done something bad.
He tried to genocide who were the Northern Scottish at the time…
@@xtramail4909and? What's the problem...
Kinda like famous African-American Elon Musk.
😂❤Awesome intelligent comment🎉
I mean he technically is. Since he was born in Africa. And came to America. Also Northern Africa has many white Arabs that live there. Africans are not all black or white. Its a misconception that the entire continent is black and always was.
@@TheLateOreowhere is your evidence for it was never all black?
Always tryin' to keep a strong African-American down, man 💀
He is not African-American, as the USA has clearly spelled out who can be consider African-America by the USA definition of the races on the census and other government documents. Either way the term African American might be going away due the census reviewing changes to the racial categories. While African American was not take off the listing this time around, there is still a propose to get rid of it. Census is doing some data collections and researching opinions.
Completely insane that people actually believe it was even possible for a sub sarharan .. black African to have been an emperor of Rome.... we are seeing a concerted effort to re write history in an attempt to make people believe that Western society was always "diverse"
Look up about their ghost homonid DNA
Sorry. Super-archaic hominid DNA. 20%...
Black Africans and/or Africans with dark skin are not just below the Sahara firstly, second it seems the people who are looking to have some historical figures to be black are suffering from low self esteem and define themselves based on how others view them.
If people want to have black historical figures to talk about, why not invest the time, energy, and resources in creating a education series of books telling their stores (I don't mean just focus on blacks who had contact with Europeans or Arabs). There is no need to co-op others people figures or cultures.
given the fact a number of roman rulers came from rather low origin or were adopted sonsor came frome regions of the empire with a huge number of mixed origin soldiers, it would be possible as well as for egyptian pharaos (no i do not refer to Cleopatra, but the time of nubian conquest). But we have no evidence so it did not happen probably... And as said those romans as we know did not have the the strange obsession of US-Americans with "race" and skin colour (even if those US- citiens deem them selves non-racist). Beside of this we had to look at other features lik nose , hair etc. In this, he does not really look of predominatly sub-saharan origin.
@@EyeOfTheWatchersorry but we live in the age of social media and the loser mentality. “I’m special - I’m unique - I’m a POC” so give me attention and praise. I’m 48 years old - grew up in the hood in Texas - all of this modern victim Olympics nonsense didn’t exist until social media exploded. It’s annoying AF.
The man is only African due to Modern terms. When Rome existed and even up till the 1900's you were what your group was, if you were English and born in China, you were English, just born in China. This is why 90% of countries in the world do not recognize ethnically different people as being a citizen. Go to Japan, you are not Japanese's just because you are born there, if you are of British parents.
Also Punic people were Mediterranean Levant people. Which if he was half Punic, he would still not be Black African.
majority of countries absolutely does reckognise ethnically different people as citizens. Because being a member of an ethnicity and being a citizen are two different things. There are people around me who are ethnically Germans or even Vietnamese yet they are Czech citizens...
@@richardaubrecht2822western nations do that. Go outside of European western cultural heritages. No one in all of Africa will call you a citizen if you’re white. Afrikaaners are regularly denied being Africans. The rest of the world cares about ethnicity. It’s only white countries that decided to go extinct by not caring anymore.
@@richardaubrecht2822any country in Africa, any country in Asia. Your ethnicity matters to the other people around you. You will not be treated as “any other” citizen if your ethnicity is exotic.
@@richardaubrecht2822ONLY white nations do that. That includes South America. Since it’s the legacy of Spanish colonialism creating a wildly multi racial society. Where the native cultures and civilizations no longer exist.
If you truly want to get to that state. A true multi ethnic and racial society where no one is treated differently. You have to completely obliterate the native culture.
Do you notice what they say about white culture?
I'm surprised I haven't heard people pushing that Hannibal was black. Does it ever happen?
Not another Afrocentrism theory 😅
Why does this page attract you types?
@@888thawk describe “you types”
What types?
@@888thawk He didn't say anything racist if that's what you mean by "you types". While it is true that occasionally you will find racist people in the comments, that's unfortunately inevitable whenever you talk about Africa, not agreeing with Afrocentricity is absolutely fine. It's an academic position and it doesn't make you racist. I of course do not condone racism and racist comments in any way, towards any ethnicity (including White) but this comment was not racist.
@@SuperRyan810A person who associates every historical question about ethnicity when it comes to the contribution of dark skinned individuals throughout history as "Afrocentrism".
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Yeah, but why he's never fighting autobots? I feel always a little let down by this channel 😂😂😂
Yeah! It had to be done 😂
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Another thing about skin tones seen in art is that many pigments will darken over time so a previously tanned guy on a painting can look a lot browner after as little as a century. Then you also have potential touch ups done by later artists who may or may not have gotten their colours right. If you look closely at the painting of Septimus you can see that the skin tone isn't consistent and it seems like the pale parts are way too pale which I think shows the difference in aging of the two pigments rather than an artistic choice.
Imagine historians in 2000 years arguing that Obama or trump were what we consider "native Americans".
Trump depicted as Lenape because he's from NYC and Obama as Pacific Islander because Hawai'i.
If you look it up, even today, Tunisian and Libyan people often have very "medium" or olive skin-tones. If we must imagine him as some kind of color, I'd say that's probably the most reasonable guess.
I totally agree with you, especially with all of the trade between peoples. I still find it amazing that when I was younger, I had darker olive skin, but now I'm white. Of course I blame the pollution in LA, but really, I think it is possible he could have had skin that was an olive-type color or maybe he had a tan. I always imagine Cleopatra as a Greek with a darker skin tone. I think that might have been the same with Emperor Severus (not the Greek part, but the skin tone part).
When I was there, I did not think the skin tone of those people was that much different from that of some Italians I have met.
@@Suzanne_sf Cleopatra was pale. She didn't go out to get a tan. There painting and images of her very pale, some of greek origin.
@@WagesOfDestructionI’m Tunisian. Our skin tone ranges from very light olive to very dark olive skin. Emperor Septimus is more on the darker olive skin tone side.
@@paulodelima5705 how embarrassing. I even saw Metatron’s videos on the stupid Netflix “documentary.” I just didn’t think she looked like Elizabeth Taylor. I always thought she was darker like an uncle I had who was Greek. 🤦🏻♀️
The fresco also shows him having blue eyes and his features are not SSA. So, he was either Semitic or Italian or a mix of the both.
He was a mix of both, maybe ge was olive skin, a Mediterranean trait, he wasn't sub Saharian tho
I agree
Even a white man marching in the legions under the African sun can get pretty dark. My mom is an English Italian but when she tanned she could pass as Hispanic.
@@kat8753 the fuck is hispanic supposed to mean
@@kat8753
I'm Cherokee, Scotch, Irish and English and when tan, I have been mistaken as black by several people ( at least two of whom were black).
He's probably a mix between Berber (Amazigh) and Punic + other Mediterranean. I wish you talked more about the possiblity of him being an indigenous Libyan.
Yes, it’s interesting, in Egyptian art, the ancient Libyans standing along side Syrians and Sea Peoples, are depicted as light skinned.
Do you think he didn’t do that by design. He constantly downplays the native element of North Africa in all of his videos. He said the same thing about Egypt and it’s even worse with the Maghrebi region. He keeps saying that we’re “extremely mixed”. We’re no more and no less mixed than most people in the Mediterranean and even beyond. You’ll never catch him say Sicily has always been extremely mixed. No, in that case he’s very quick to emphasise the natives of that region, ThE ITaLics. I’m not saying we don’t have a diverse genetic admixture with settlers and conquerors but we are still predominantly and recognisably of native ancestry…
@@AlexIncarnate911Yes! I’ve noted that too. No one seems to want to acknowledge there was a base population before the many immigrations.
Metatron avoids the mention of libyans/berbers probably cuz hes uneduecated about them and doesnt wanna come out as a bufoon talking with no citationnor reference. I just would prefer if he would come out in the clear about this.
@@psychopassisamasterpiece1997 He educates himself and then talk about the region… Deleting the native ethnicity from their own lands is no better. We’re not just a bunch of mixed and rootless mishmash of people…
Based on nothing more than where Septimus was from, I would default envision him looking like Muammar Gadhafi.
Not necessary, as Gadhafi was of ethic group that was from the continent.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher gaddafi was a lybian and those are berber mostly in ancestry
We used to call them lybics in antiquity
@@EyeOfTheWatcherGaddafi was a native North African, so was Septimius Severus.
@@EyeOfTheWatcherSo was Septimus Severus
americans are often surprised when a north african travels to the U.S. and says he's from africa
I havent seen the video, but anyone can google for pictures of Zinedine Zidane, which although born in France, has family from Algeria (or Morocco?) and thus is African in origin. And also for photos of ASIAN Bashar al-Assad...
Africa and Asia are quite huge and peple around the mediterranean have more in common with each other than with people on the extreme east of Asia or south of the Sahara.
The video I've been waiting on, ty Metatron
You are welcome
A funny thing is, when I first heard of this "African emperor" many years ago, I never cared if he was white, black or anything in between. But now I'm endlessly annoyed with this race swapping. Same as for the 3 "African popes". This would also be a good theme I think for a series: the papacy. One of the most ancient continuous position, endless scandals, cover-ups, intrigue, nepotism, corruption, debauchery and controversy.
There are people in South America that have naturally white skin but in America they have to label themselves as Hispanic on paperwork, just like a lot of Asians have naturally white skin and they have to label themselves has Asian on documents, I'm mostly German with a little bit of Italian and for some reason I have to label myself as Caucasian even though none of my lineage comes from Georgia Armenia or Azerbaijan.
You have supreme court cases and the racisms of the day for that. The Hispanic\Latino field was not added to the census until the 1970s (I believe), as before then people from south of the border would select white or in some documents might had a Mexican option. Ironically, if you are from the Sudan you can be consider white by the definition of the USA census regardless if you have dark skin (this was done in part to get oil coming in from the Sudan). Recent changes to the census is being Middle Eastern\North Africa category, which does not include the people from the Sudan. If you have a chance you should read one of the supreme court cases where an Indian, from India, augured how people hijacked the term Ayran and Caucasian.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher good look! Sounds worth the read
Worth noting that writing down your skin color on paperwork/documents is an exclusively American (and maybe South African?) thing. I'm a Polish immigrant in Japan and I NEVER in my entire life had to write down my race anywhere. Not in Poland, not in Japan, not on the immigration paperwork, and not in any other European countries I've visited. Of course I'm writing down my nationality everywhere. I've written down my religion a few times in Poland, but not very often. And then there's my height and eye color written down on my Polish ID. But there's no document anywhere in the world that states my race, ethnicity, or skin color. So only Americans are obsessed about it to the point it has to be stated on their official documents.
@@med2904 we still use height hair color and eye color but yes when you are applying for certain things you have to check a box that relates to your skin color, they call it your ethnicity yet it has nothing to do with culture, everything on the ethnicity option list is about skin color. It makes no sense to me either. Maybe four an officer or a private investigator to find somebody, wants to make sure that he doesn't pick the wrong man or woman but maybe they use it for statistics, even though it is flawed. My family is not from the Caucus region of Asia, therefore no Europeans should be called Caucasian. Again, it makes no sense
I'm white Hispanic and I've started to see papers that actually put race and ethnicity as different. So I can put Hispanic as my ethnicity and white as my race. But yeah in many documents they still make no distinction and you are either white or Hispanic.
“Africa” is not only Sub-Saharan Africa, nor are all Africans negroid. But that’s not politically convenient, is it? Likewise, given the layers of colonization in Northern Africa, and the travel possibilities in the Roman world, ancestry could be complicated.
I would want to add that there are dark skin people in the place we call Africa today who don't view themselves as "negroid."
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Non-Bantus?
@@Arkantos117Bantu is a language family! Many people in this language group do not share characteristics. Like Tutsi people in some cases look like Horners but, aren’t genetically related to them.
@@admirekashiri9879bantu has 500 groups with different looks on the god king besides language. They might be the pure ones since others are mixed with whites Asians like the San people
how are you able to write n3gr01d but i get my comments removed if i do wtf
There's an obsession at the moment with whether people are "black". It's so 19th century - a time when everyone had to be put in a box, regardless of the diversity of the people put in that box. They just had more boxes back then - Orange (Austronesian), Yellow (East Asian), Red (Indigenous American) etc. People now find these labels archaic and offensive. When is the black box going to go the same way?
By the way, this wasn't an attack on people investigating people's ancestry as Metatron did. It's the divisive, inclusive/exclusive nature that applies to the debate.
Yet noone call Russians Asians?!?!
Pretty dumb comment. "Black" is a synonym for SSA, the same way that "White" is a synonym for European. There is no good reason to get rid of this categorization.
There's no obsession. It's a manufactured approach to history, designed in full by insidious people.
@@-scrim There is plenty of good reason the main one being it's entirely wrong. Melanin dominant individuals aren't exclusive to SSA and Melanin deficient individuals aren't exclusive to Europe. Neither is curly, wavy, or straight hair texture. So again how is that a dumb comment?
The hilarious part is that African born Roman Septimius Severus' protegé and short lived emperor Marcus Opellius Macrinus _was_ an indiginous north African of what we'd call Berber/Amazigh today. But I guess the Emperor who ruled for 18 years is cooler than the Emperor who ruled for 14 months...
You could sum it up with Septimius being the Roman equivalent of an Anglo-Indian like Rudyard Kipling while Marcus being an anglisised Indian like Ben Kingsley.
No you can't sum up over 12,000 years of ethnic admixture using your Black/white racial construct lens. You can't even sum up the last 500 years that way. None of our genetic history can be told by looking at someone. That's absolute nonsense.
But then Macrinus is a much better leader and emperor than the person who usurped him: Elagabalus, the trans icon and one of the worst Roman Emperors of all time.
It doesn't matter because we are dealing with prejudice, and irrational thinking. To those people, Africa means sub Saharan Africans, it doesn't matter if it is North Africa or Egypt or even NE Africa which have different origins, different hunter gatherer ancestors to West Africans who are the typical Black person to them. The more older Pygmies and KhoiSan Africans are totally ignored, as is the homogenizing effects of the Bantu speaking farmers from the Cameroons that moved to the east and south of Africa.
@@kuronoch.1441As a trans girl, the fact that people see Elagabalus as an icon while ignoring his unhinged character and misogynistic antics confuses me
The fact that we can have these types of discussions is a good indication that the people of that time were less concerned with the ethnicity of people than the cultural background of people. This is exceptionally true when you consider the Mediterrian where the presence of the sun can darken many a more lighter tone skin. (And looking at the illustration given, I was more drawn to the nose than the color of the skin, although, this might be a bias on the part of the painter, although the same is true for the use of skin tone.) And while the notion of a specific ethnic mixture in a specific ethnic context may sound appealing, in an era of cultural tightness, the almost practical ignorance of background over the more cultural context is significant. This was a clash of cultures, not a clash of ethnic origins (although, as you pointed out, the difference in appearance did freak out some people on occasion).
Good to see your logical, well thought out delving into Roman history. Always interesting, looking back on history. Too many times, people try to make history fit their own agenda/s. Thank you for being unbiased.
I think one of the biggest problems I see in the media in historical interpretations is that "Black" usually means not just sub-Saharan African skin tone, but also "American Black culture coded.". So the historical characters will behave like modern American Black culture, which makes no sense at all and erases the multicultural aspects of Africa.
Australian Aborigines and Pacific Islanders call themselves black, and living in Australia some of the Aborigines are as dark as the darkest black Africans, the Sudanese. When I hear Black I think of Australian Aborigines not Americans or Africans or South Indians.
@@Ponto-zv9vf I think the reason I'm noticing it happen in the way I described is because I'm American, so Hollywood is making these movies. It's so interesting how different cultures perceive colorism and cultural labels because here, Americans would refer to Aborigines as "Indigenous" regardless of skin color. And they separate Asian/Pacific Islanders in another category.
That's why I prefer historical movies that do Metatron level analysis of sources to make sure a culture or historical person is represented correctly as opposed to all the random identity labels used here in the US. We use our labels as the "world standard" which makes zero sense.
@@Sidera17 As a Czech I have to say American ra*ists are a special kind of ra*ists indeed. No other country is so obsessed with r*ce and no other country makes up so absurd categories of r*ces.
I admire your common sense and intellect. You always spit facts and create interesting videos.
I love history. Thank you very much brother!!
You forgot to mention that Septimius was a big hip-pop enjoyer and blasted Rap tracks around his actions
All this talk about whether he was pun-ic or _italic_ distracts from the question whether he was *bold.*
(What is beyond argument, though, is that once he became emperor, he was underline, and on his death that line ascended.)
Where to?
Septimius Severus was as Roman as a Roman can get. His paternal side was western Carthaginian origin - Spaniard as Maximus - and his maternal side was from officials of Latium region. Yes, he was considered “white European” in today’s standard.
Another great article,love it . Would love more about the iberian peninsula, specially Portugal during the Rome times . Viriato was a very interesting chief of the lusitanians that I would love to no more detailed.
Yes, Septimius Severus is African. He is not black.
African does not mean black
Problem is that many people(from my experience especially those from USA)have it deeply associated as synonym for "Black african" although it is not.
Neither of you understand how language works lmao
@@KTC-o2c what does it have to do with language? Explain.
I like these formats. You can really see your educational background.
Can't wait for the next blacked historical figure
I want to know why is still a thing. There are many historical figures who are black that people can talk about. The Knights of Liberty, founded by Moses Dickson, in the USA is a prime example.
Jeanne d'Arc. She got pretty black by the end, so she was obviously African.
Hannibal and Cleopatra.
A wonderful display of reason and knowledge
I've met Bavarians and northern Italians that are pasty white in the winter and brown enough in summer that they could be mistaken as Pakistani-Indians.
Pakistanis and Indians have a varying skin tone as well some can be pretty pale while most are on the brown side.
Wite is not askin kullah, its a particular race. You get dark and bronze White people, that doesn't un-White them. Its perfectly obvious from their physical features, not from the popular obsessive attribute of skin colour. Its everything BUT skin colour.
I´m Czech and I´m the same. :D
@@Mouse_Metal Genetically hidden melanin production. Albeit I haven't seen any redheads with it. Most of them have the orange man bad gene.
very good video. I find this sort of study very fascinating.
In general, this lack of information about the appearance of even important people in ancient and medieval times is strange (is not always the case, but surprisingly often).
When studying historical documents you have to keep in mind several things. First is that they weren't written with the idea that people would be using them centuries later, they were written for a specific audience. That leads us to a second thing to keep in mind, who the target audience of the document was. Oftentimes what we today describe as a historical document was a letter written from one person to another, so the audience was definitely one particular person and not posterity. The last thing to keep in mind is who wrote the document. What were his (99.9% of the time it will have been a man) reasons for writing it, what was the motivation. That often will go hand in hand with point two. Keeping these things in mind it isn't strange to not have descriptions of what people looked like in historical documents because, contrary to popular belief, there was very little movements of peoples throughout history, or if there was it was large migrations where one people supplanted the majority of a native population in a given region. Historians often overemphasize the amount of travel that occurred do to trade to let us know that people were very mobile before modern transportation, which leaves many to believe that it was permanent settlement, however the vast majority of those merchants returned to their native lands at the end of the trading season. So when taking into account that the target audience of a 'historical' document was mostly the same as the writer and that they were mostly speaking of events within their regions there would be no reason to be descriptive of peoples looks unless they were very different from those that both the author and his audience were familiar with. People very rarely speak about the humdrum day to day of life but talk about unusual events, and people, outside of the ordinary. Unless the subject of a document were very 'other' it wouldn't have been mentioned.
There are statues of Septimus Severus, and the painting of his family. So we have a good idea. There are representations of Cleopatra and Hannibal and other Carthagenians. It doesn't matter to prejudiced people as Africa means Black people to them. Augustine was from North Africa as well, so I guess he goes into the Black category to them.
@@robo5013 Not to mention the emphasis on culture rather than color, and that the idea of race had changed over time
The truth has become a rare commodity. Thank you so much You are a wonderful person ❤👍🏅👑👑
I stopped assuming Africans were black at 13 when a guy from Africa whiter than I was joined our Boarding school. How people can become grown ups without this realisation beggars belief.
I have to take notes and study after watching you. Fascinating!!!! I was a high school history teacher, and I never realized that I knew nothing...except from the philosophical paradigm. Thank you!
North Africa is not “extremely multiethnic” and “mixed”, it’s largely dominated by the native Amazigh even today!
Look, I have seen a lot of dna results of North Africans and Egyptians. They do have sub Saharan ancestry, in Mozabites it's about 25%. It matters not to me, but you can expect racists to make a big deal about it. European Americans who are from the South also have sub Saharan ancestry in low percentages. Whenever people of different origins are close to each other, they will mix.
@@Ponto-zv9vf It’s a big deal for me that my people won’t get completely erased from memory. Mozabites are actually more of an outlier than the norm as they experienced higher intermixing with the Fulani people whom they also influenced, which explains their notable west Asian dna markers in their populations. They even look like they were intermixing with North Africans. So, instead of trying to draw out your long winded sophistry even more maybe try to respect and listen to what the natives are trying to say. We don’t want to be effaced. Some people don’t even know we exist and they think Africa equals black, that’s effed up. A whole large chunk of the world population completely erased from global consciousness and systematically misrepresented in western. It’s not enough that we’re still dealing with European colonialist policies. They are doing most of the digs in North Africa, enforce French on our educational and governmental institutions and actively endorsing autocratic regimes. We also have to fight for the fact that we exist! We are the natives of our lands period! We’d be equally offended if we got racially represented as white or even purely middle eastern like our esteemed Metatron was doing here. He was listing the possible ancestral admixtures of the Punic people as mostly Levantine or maybe a bit Celtic, Greek or whatever but he failed to even imagine the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the punic people might also have North African Amazigh ancestry, you know, the people who lived and intermixed with the few Phoenician settlers since the 8th century bc!!! He didn’t mention native Amazigh at all as a possibility. This is atrocious! So yeah, eff you whether you’re white, black, or a green ass lizard. You cannot tell the natives to not defend their own identity and place in the world! Enough is enough!
@@Ponto-zv9vf Well, it is not extremely multiethnic but it is mixed. These DNA are modern but during the Roman period North Africa was just berber and Egyptian with some greek, roman, phoenincian and other small minorities. It was less multiethnic then Rome.
@@paulodelima5705I wonder why no one calls Roman or Sicilians “extremely mixed”. Sicily even had a high number of Phoenician settlers, yet he wouldn’t claim that the people of western Sicilian are of Levantine origins… He completely disregards the native Amazigh admixture with the Phoenician *minority* that settled in North Africa. It’s been demonstrated time and again that cultural spread doesn’t match genetic and ethnic spread. The Fins and Sami of today speak mostly Uralic languages but they predominantly Nordic in appearance and genes with some contribution from the people who brought the Uralic culture to the region. Same in Turkey and the Mediterranean. This doesn’t mean that the natives completely got replaced. They mostly adopted the cultures of minorities that brought it or imposed it on them. Large migrations leave a larger trace on the dna of the natives but that still doesn’t dissolve the existence of the natives and justify the claim that the region is just “highly mixed”. The Meratron didn’t even consider native ancestry for the Punic people… It’s atrocious at this point…
@@AlexIncarnate911 maybe because actual tests on modern Italians have found negligible foreign admixture. The idea that they are mixed is not based on reality.
I ran into precisely this question when researching my family tree (was this man of Roman/Italian ancestry in Africa or the other way around or even a bit of both?), so thank you for solving the mystery for me! (I also discovered that when the Romans refer to Mauritania it is nowhere near the current African nation as borders/territories have shifted so much over time) but equated much more to the area corresponding to modern day Morocco/Algeria/Tunisia (roughly). Those Romans documented a lot but you have to be careful what they said actually means what you think it means in the modern context. Thank you for demystifying some of it for me and please keep up the amazing work.
I could listen to the guy for hours. 👍🏼
I appreciate that thanks
Been waiting for this video
Sorry but my grandma said “No matter what they say Septimius Severus was black.” I’m actually going to be in the Netflix documentary about it
I don't agree, but I'm open to hearing your grandmother's argument.
What is her argument that he was Black?
*Reply to:* _"Sorry but my grandma said “No matter what they say Septimius Severus was black.” I’m actually going to be in the Netflix documentary about it"_
@@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 it was a joke cuz the Netflix Cleopatra thing. The first I’ve even heard of Septimius was this video actually
@@Elbobertadore Ah, I missed that. I found an article , "This Man Was Encased in Volcanic Ash in Pompeii. Here’s What His DNA Reveals," that you seemed to be referencing so I was curious.
@@Elbobertadore The image of the destruction of the Roman port city of Pompeii in 79 C.E. by the volcanic ash of Mount Vesuvius is one that likely haunts the mind of any classics student. Its fate was fodder for terrifying descriptions of death and despair, and ever since the city’s ruins were discovered in the 16th century, its eerily preserved people have inspired fear and fascination. They’ve been the subject of furious study ever since-and somehow, researchers and the public are still captivated by preserved Pompeiians centuries later.
Now, for the first time, researchers have fully sequenced the complete DNA of a Pompeiian, offering an inside view of one person who died in the eruption’s aftermath.
A new study published Thursday in Scientific Reports provides more detail on the complex genetic make-up of a Pompeiian man. Academics analyzed petrous bones located at the base of the skull of two sets of remains found in the Casa del Fabbro, or House of the Craftsman. The bones belonged to a 5-foot-4 man in his late 30s or early 40s and a woman over 50 years old about five feet in height. DNA extracted from the female’s bones did not give sufficient information for a full analysis.
Two skeletons lie in a house in a black-and-white image
The remains were found in the Casa del Fabbro, or House of the Craftsman. Notizie degli Scavi di Antichità, 1934, p. 286, fig. 10.
Both bodies were found lying on a triclinium eating space in what was likely the home’s dining room. Like others in Pompeii, they were going about their daily lives when disaster struck. In fact, the study’s authors write, more than half of “individuals found in Pompeii died inside their houses, indicating a collective unawareness of the possibility of a volcanic eruption or that the risk was downplayed due to the relatively common land tremors in the region.”
Further testing showed the man likely had spinal tuberculosis. Surviving reports of Rome suggest the disease was a common affliction at the time.
Though scientists had tried to sequence Pompeiian DNA before, previous attempts to study more than small strands failed. This time, they succeeded-but given the study’s small sample size and the fact that the woman’s DNA could not be analyzed, it’s unclear how similar research could fare in the future.
@@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 gotcha! Naw I’m just being dumb on the RUclipss l😂
Just wanted to say I like the way you and your break things down this was a great episode.
@metatronyt 14:06 I've had some discussions with Ancient Historians about the Severan Tondo especifically and how it can be used as proof that Septimus Severus was indeed darker than most roman emperors, however I was told by a variety of them (I'm also in academia so I have access to a lot of Ancient History professors) that this portrait's provenance is probably Egypt and many times the Roman emperors had their skin tones slightly altered depending on which province their portrait was being sent to, as a way to create a closer relationship with the people. So while they agree that he was born in africa, was part punic, part semitic, etc which are undeniable facts, they reject the use of the Severan Tondo as defenitive proof that Septimus Severus was this dark.
What are your/your team's thoughts on this?
Edit: I forgot to say, because augusta Julia Domna is portrayed here with significantly pale skin, when she was from Syria, and so is Caracalla, and Caracalla would probably not be as pale as it is shown had his father been naturally as dark. The other option is this was the first Roman Emperor to take sunbathing as a serious hobby.
Well, you know that Europeans were darker before the Bronze Age, the addition of Indo-European ancestry to hunter gatherer ancestry and neolithic farmer ancestry basically made Europeans lighter especially in the north as they have more Indo-European ancestry about 50%.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Before Bronze age the farmers were the majority and they were light skinned. There was a natural selection for lighter skin in Europe during this period.
thank you metatron and team
16:33 my mother is black, like Nutella color black … and she has a young cousin darker and was shocked when she first met him after years without going to our mother country… he was so dark he appeared almost blue… she called him Avatar 🤦🏾♂️ so of course some black people can be surprised by some people blackness 😂 black comes in different shades 💁🏾♂️
Very sexual.
Surprised is one thing, but he was not just surprised.
@@metatronyt as I said, she “was shocked when she first met him” but yeah, surprise is one thing… but isn’t shock a form of surprise? 😏
Anyway to make it clear, I totally agree to the overall point of this video. Love your content ! Truth need to win.
Whoah Holzkern making it's way to Metatron! 😊
People know jack shitabout ethnic groups in Africa : Berbers/Imazighen.
I have only heard people use jackshit in Australia, but you are right and can be extended to most of the world.
I truly enjoy your commentary. Well done
Can you make a video about north African natives please because in all of your videos you seem to undermine the fact that North Africans in general are of west Asian descent with a little percentage of south European and sub-saharan contributions. Actually, I recently discovered that they had a remarkable impact on a subsaharan population, the Fulani people, which explains their above average west Asian dna markers and their unique appearance.
North Africans are not West Asian, it is indigenous to North Africa. They do have European ancestry, how they got it, you could make a few guesses. Yes have have sub Saharan ancestry.
@@Ponto-zv9vf North African natives originate from west Asia but have developed some few genetic mutations that are specific to them in time. Subsaharan and south European ancestry is relatively small. It’s there but that doesn’t negate the fact that we are a separate offshoot of West Asian populations that migrated to North Africa in several waves in the early Neolithic and maybe earlier.
My previous comment got deleted. How lovely…
Learning a lot from you, from South Africa❤
If by african you mean half - punic than yes. He was not "americanized" understanding of african. These were alive in subsaharan africa. And Septimus was from former Carthage. Cato the Elder would "love that".
Off-topic but you might be interested in this. I recently ordered and received your Imperial Roman legionary T-shirt. I wore it to church this Sunday never dreaming that one of the readings would be from Paul's letter to the Ephesians where he talks about putting on the whole armor of God! It got quite a bit of attention afterwards as now people could see what Paul was talking about!
I personally put a lot of blame on Septimius for the fall of Rome, making precedents that would keep escalating over the third century, breaking the relatively stable system under the Five Good Emperors.
They do not realise "claiming" him is an own-goal, similar to Elegabalus.
Subsaharans have 2O% munkee genetics. Dont believe me, look it up.
20%
Monkey
Munkee
Genetics
Thank you, another great video.
Berber
This guy should do an interview on Triggernometry. Would be a great conversation.
I have never heard anyone modern use white to mean only people from Germanic or Anglo-Saxon origin... I've only heard it used to refer to someone of European origin or to someone with pale skin who is not of European origin. Note; the measure for how light the skin must be has only been applied to non-European origined people; all people of European origin.
It's the modern American cultural doctrine which identifies whiteness by consumerist characteristics. The more obese - more likely white. 😂
yeah ppl should differ between aryan and white.an albino negro is not "white" while being paler than me. it´s about the culture of using the brain instead of fists, hard work and fairness, empathy, moral compass that we really mean. that what differentiate them from the other group.
The fact that so many people think that: "African = Black" shows a frightening lack of cultural history education and critical thinking skills.
Severus didn’t vote for Biden so he ain’t black!
God bles you and your work sir. ❤❤❤
We Europeans must be far more strident in our pride for our great people, given this intense adversity from certain groups against us. Great analysis, but at the end no need to soften your point by shifting importance to other things like his policies or skills etc. Be White and be proud!
The mentality of us vs them right?
Metatron is wrong when he say he has no agenda. He has. It is the truth.
19:56 Anglo-Saxons are Germanic, every Anglo-Saxon is Germanic, but not all Germanics are Anglo-Saxons, Scandinavians are also Germanic btw.
Of course Benjamin Franklin had no idea about this and he what he said was that only the English and the German Saxon were white, because he knew the English were descendent of Saxons so it wouldn't make sense for him to call Germans non-white like he did, while saying the English were white.
English, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Icelandic, Danish and Swedish are all Germanic languages and these ethnic groups descendents of the people that lived in the area the Romans called Germania.
He did not have nubian traits looking at the statues.
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Short answer: NO!!!
Subsaharans have 2O% munnkee gen-tics. Dont believe me, look it up.
He was African, but he wasn't black
Long answer NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
@karimmezghiche9921 He was African in the same way that Cyrus The Great or Ashoka were Asian which is to say that he was from Africa but he did not look like Sub-Saharan Africans just like how Cyrus and Ashoka were Asian but they didn't look like people from China or Japan.
@@lionandwolfboy8714
Yes, exactly.
I am an African too and I am not black.
He was born in Leptis Magna so obviously he was African, he was born in Africa. But I guess that's not how people debate about him.
Kipling was born in India but he's not described as Indian.
People are mixing up nationality, for a lack of a better word, with race and ethnicity.
Elon musk was born in south africa, therefore he's African too.
He was African indeed just not black African like myself and other native black Africans.
Of course he was African. However, he was also Roman, maybe with some Punic (and therefore Semitic) ancestry.
Shout out to the cable hanging around on the right for the entirety of the video
By the logic of some woke "historians" regarding North Africans being black in the ancient world, all white Afrikaners of Dutch decent must be black as well.
Clarify your point.
@@HuwiteMcCrackerson
Some people regard all groups living in Africa as "black," which is inaccurate. North Africa, particularly around the Mediterranean, has been historically populated by Semitic peoples, Greeks, Romans, and others from the Middle East. When we refer to "black" Africans, we typically mean groups that evolved in West and Central Africa before modern times.
Interestingly, the San Bushmen are genetically more distant from West Africans than West or East Africans are from Europeans, as the San were relatively isolated for around 70,000 years. In more recent times, with the Bantu expansion and Arab influence, West Africa has become genetically very diverse.
The Afrikaners, a group with European, Khoi San, Bantu, and Malayan heritage, have lived in Southern Africa for about 370 years. If modern Egyptians are considered "black" because they live in Africa, then, by the same logic, Afrikaners should also be considered "black"-which clearly makes little sense.
It's ultimately a question of the degree of genetic mixing, and the picture is complicated.
@@atheistbushman Well obviously living somewhere for 370 years doesn’t make you said native of that land. Yeah Egyptians for the most part brown arabs, ofc you have the nubians that also live near or in Egypt (can’t remember), and also the mediterranean people.
@@HuwiteMcCrackerson
Turkish people entered Anatolia around 1000 BC
Do that land belong to the Greeks?
The Ottoman Empire started in the 14th century, around 300 years after conquest! (less than the European presence in the Cape)
Perhaps we have an anti-european bias when looking at history.
@@atheistbushman I’m not being anti anything… I’m simply saying that if you made Europeans in South Africa take a dna test, well y’know.
Another excellent video. Thank you.
Well he was from Africa, but not Black African.
Thanks Metatron great information 🎉
Short answer: No.
He was half phoenician maybe berber mixed from his father’s side and roman from his mother’s side. He also had distinct accept when he spoke latin
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I have a video idea, what about a video about the relationship between the Italians on the mainland and Sicilians, my ancestors came from the area around Agrigento.
So are you Pastaboi's to blame for 𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙨? We're you drunk when you invented that stuff?
Another delusional 👦🏿
My sincerest apologies
@@mechaman7818 Subsaharan Africans have never ruled Ancient Rome
One of my favourite Emperors since I read a book about mighty roman politicians and generals from 1935.
Another very underrated roman General is Lucius Licinius Lucullus.
So, Caucasian. As in the categorizations of the three races.
As an American I've never known an American to not consider Irish or Italians not white. Known a few old timers that disliked Italians, Polish, etc but even they considered them white.
Hi there! It was the case that Italian and irish people and even Finns(which I am) were not considered white. But this is more of a 19th century, early 20th century thing. Finns are not caucasians but part of the mongoloid group if you use those old ethnic terms and were considered yellow and thus
could not receive American citizenship in early 20th century. Or they did eventually, but there was a legal thing about it in maybe I wanna say 1911?
And I am a Finn as I said, we are white as Snow, but there are plenty of these siberian/sami features in us. Especially up north.
It's pretty curious that the emperor whom Septimius deposed obtained the throne by literaly buying the Empire from the Praetorians. In the end, the investment did not go very well 😅
Great video!
I especially like that cord we see in right :D
1) That pronunciarion of "Holzkern" was not half bad. Definitely better than mine of Italian terms...
2) "the way white is usually used in Europe" Is it that? Never thought about it, not being as obsessed with 'race' as Americans (finding the entire thing ridiculous tbh, it's not like you can really give any answer besides "homo sapiens" to that question...). If I had to define 'white', I'd probably say 'fair skin' and not exclude people liek Musk just because he's from South Africa.
In Europe people either use the term European or their country to define themselves. Some places in Europe hate being confused with each other and have been enemies since the year 1138(Spain and Portugal). Other cases of this is the entirety of the Balkans and even Slavs. (Yeah they're all Slavs but confuse a Croat with a Serb or an Albanian with a Serb). And even Anatolian Turks and Greeks, who are genetically close whether they like it or not, if you confuse a Turk and a Greek you're also asking for problems. Oh and a Swede and a Norwegian. Maybe a Finn and a Swede too even though the beef isn't nearly as strong as all the other ones I mentioned. Even inside the country itself, imagine, Spain, people will say they're "Galician" "Castillan" or "Valencian". The Portuguese will tell you they're "Lusitanian" and will flat out reject being put as the same kind of human being as the Spanish or the French, because they're taught that the blood of Viriathus flows within them, hence they are favoured by the old gods and the new, whilst all other races (Besides Lusitanian) will eventually come under their control. - It's called the fifth empire, google it.
So the American way of just putting all these people, who look different, have different religions, have been killing each other ancestors since time immemorial, have completely different and sometimes clashing cultures and religions, into the bag of "White people" is extremely reductive and extremely wrong. Yes all Europeans alive are less than 0.15 degrees in genetic deviation from all other peoples, yes all Europeans are the same people genetically, but there is so, so much more to it than that.
Metatron not have you spread your wings but you are an awesome for good.
Berber, but Roman culturally talking
Well going on names alone there was an important eastern Roman emperor called Maurice (Mavrikos) and that name means Moorish but then there was also a saint called Saint Maurice who is believed to have been a Moor and is usually depicted as a Moor in Christian iconography. A town and monastery in Savoy is named after him and it was the mausoleum of what eventually became the Italian royal family or house of Savoy.
We Wuz Nordic n Shiet We Wuz Yoruba N Shiet
Thx for wearing your racism on your sleeve for all to see
@@888thawk just because stereotypes are right, doesn't mean that he"s a racist
@@BelieverOfChrist2 so all mayonnaise eaters think water is spicy and are shallow insecure crybabies? yeah you are
@@BelieverOfChrist2 Only the loud and racist minority are like this. I'm certain there are plenty of black folks that are subscribed to this channel and not the Afrocentric mindset.
@@BelieverOfChrist2Do you actually think what this pleeb said was "right"? 😂😂😂
I've never heard him, so it's good to hear this history.
Bring Septimius back and make him protest in Britain, we'll see what ethnicity he is if gets jailed for 20 months or let off free lol
Hey Metatron. I enjoy watching these kind of video's. They are very educational. And expand my horizon and knowledge about historical places and people.
Can you do a video about The White Skinned and Red Haired Mummies found in China and several other countries?
I am curious to know if they where from the Yamnyana culture who lived near Caucasus or the steppes of EuroAsia.
And did they helped advancend civilization they encountered?
black people will be mad after this video
Only the African Americans who believe they were everywhere.
@@HuwiteMcCrackerson Still waiting to find the space ships that all the Asian, Hispanics, Whites must have come from as evidently we just all landed one day and took everything..
That illustration by Amelianvs(Severus meets Ethiopean soldier) exist also in color now.Well,given to the subject in question it would be better to use that one 🙂.