Every time I start to come to grips with pat he drops a new bomb in the clip >Didn't play Halo 1 so just jumped into Halo 2 and had no idea what was going on so he stopped >Played half of Halo 3 on a hanging CRT in a mall with no sound while waiting for a movie >Decided instead to watch Red vs Blue and quit when it switched to Halo 2
LinkinMark1994 it’s funny cuz they played with and met Geoff Ramsey and the Achievement Hunter Crew, so I wonder if they have any concept of how much is in that series. Like do they know it’s still going on?
"Pat, do you actually know anything about Halo at all?" "Don't worry, I played Halo 3 on a mall for an hour or two. The sound wasn't on, but I think I got the gist of it."
"Hey guys, so I've started The Two Towers 'cause my friends said it had sick battle sequences, but I just can't understand what's so special about this dumb ring. And who the hell is this Frodo guy? I know there was a previous entry but I looked at the cover and it just looks like generic fantasy schlock to me." -- Pat, probably.
@Sergio Georgini tell me what the story for the first game was aside from "we're being attacked by aliens! evasive maneuvers! land on giant space object! now we're out numbered and need to find a way out of here! oh no zombies!" you can literally jump into halo 2 without playing CE and be completely okay with understanding the plot lol
Pat is Wrong Simulator: Speedrun Any% One day we will find out that Pat never actually played any videogames, he was just mashing buttons on a non-working controller while someone else played the games for him.
It's funny how he's been getting into shooters not gonna lie wouldn't mind seeing him delve into the metro 2033 or homefront series to differentiate from COD or Battlefield
It did back in January about him going to a gym trainer but then the Rona Nation attacked and everything changed. *Avatar the last air bender intro theme*
Pat playing Halo 2: "I don't understand, what is a halo?" Halo 2 cutscene plays on arriving at a Halo ring and say explains it. Pat playing Halo 2: "This game is dumb and I don't get it."
I have never seen a man gimp themselves this hard in the enjoyment of videogames as much as Pat did. Even Minh doing his patented "Minh-Maxing" isn't as egregious as being a filthy part-skipper.
I dunno, Pat had a point here. When you look at the cover for Halo 1 and 2 with no prior knowledge of the franchise, yeah, you'd probably think the story wouldn't mean anything.
@@kurochio5073 Just to clarify because I didn't mention it during the podcast, but the jobless Lancer class is my ALT character. My main character is and always has been DRG. I clear stuff as DRG first and then, using my knowledge and experience, I clear stuff on LNC. Hence the "fucking good" comment.
I'd like to imagine that there is a parallel universe where Woolie took a break from "Get into FPS games" to try CVS2 for the first time with V, with this same reaction being the end result.
"I watched Red vs Blue until they changed it to the Halo 2 engine and then I said 'I don't like how Caboose looks' and stopped watching." I cannot find the words for this.
I have never seen man combo break his own enjoyment of a series so had, well done pat. You didn't just play yourself, you freaking ultra-combo'd your enjoyment to death.
Not only is the duality between what's happening to Chief and Arbiter at the start cool to see, but there's also the fact that they're in these situations for the exact same reason. For the destruction of the ring, the loss of his comrades, and his own safe return home, Chief is being rewarded. For the destruction of the ring, the loss of his comrades, and his own safe return home, Arbiter is being punished.
To be fair not everyone can be as esteemed a gamer as Woolie, who can sleep on a game series for almost 2 decades to only now discover its a masterpiece.
Never played FF7 before, so everyone talking about the remake just flew over my head. Finally decided to play the original a week ago, since I don't own a Playstation, so I might as well know who these characters are. Yeah, it's still a great game, I don't care how it looks.
Not... really? You will understand who does what, but the entire franchise have so many different moments that goes unexplained for the entirety of games they happened in, so you will not know what is happening, but you will probably know why it's happening and know most of the guys it's happening with.
To be fair, MGS2 actually was my first Metal Gear, but it sort of had the opposite effect where it was so bizarre and divergent from my expectations that I knew I had to play the rest of the series to see what the fuck was going on there.
Try peacewalker first, then 4, then the rest in order. It's the main reason I don't mind watching stuff out of order, because finding out the rest of the story after all the crazy shit in those ones were fun.
@@TomBombadil168 Oh, this was years and years ago. I've played through pretty much everything short of Survive multiple times by this point. But yeah, the mystery of what you've missed can definitely be its own draw.
@@blitzkriegdragon013 There's a guy who did a whole timeline series on it and the reboot. I think the storyline is a bit more complex than you're giving it credit. Edit: Looked it up. The guy's name is GamerThumbTV.
@@KoPLeaderKiactu Complexity doesn't mean quality. I've seen the video. The lore of Castlevania it's relatively generic. Loads of story potential, but I'm referring to the overall plot of the games.
you;re not wrong, anyone who hasn't played the Castlevania games prior to SoTN really should play them. But that still doesn't absolve Pat of his monumental ignorance according to the topic at hand
I almost finished an entirety of Medal of Honor campaign while standing at the console spot in Media Markt. It was pretty fun, forgot which one was it though.
This just the monster hunter argument pat kept pushing, pat was like you gotta play the old ones to appreciate the new ones, c'mon goblin man I live in America I've got enough hypocrisy in my life
When there's plot and story that matter, sure. Monster Hunter is not that. With the exception of Generations, each one is essentially unrelated to the others.
There's a twisted logic to that. In that World has so much quality of life updates that new hunters don't know how good they've got it. But why make people suffer through jank?
I started with Fate/Extella, took a look at Fate/Extra and went "oh fuck that rock paper scissors bullshit" and just made my own backstory for it. Which is kind of redundant because Extella already substantially retcons Extra on its own as I found out later.
@@kojiro00 Imagine beating the game for the first time, totally robbed of the emotional payoff of the final cutscene because all you can think is "Who the hell is brunette-Namine???"
This was my exact experience. And then the ads for KH2 were going in blockbuster, and I realized I was playing a spinoff. Still love me that Replica Riku boss fight lead-in. The strings and organ were fantastic even on the GBA.
"Well this looks like a fun card-based RPG! I like card games and RPGs, this should be a riot!" A full JRPG later "i don't remember what my own name is anymore"
1 Minute in and Woolie is already spreading the gospel of Blur Studios. Good thing too because Blur might just be the best 3D Animation Studio out there
@@Gungho73 They did the cutscenes on the Halo remake and are responsible for 90% of cutscenes and CGI trailers from PS2 Era onwards (Seriously it's insane how much they've done) If you want to see how good they are at Visual Storytelling check out the Elder Scrolls Online trailers they made a narrative with the first three they did and they keep coming back for every expansion trailer
@@cyberninjazero5659 Okay! I was curious because I know of a youtuber who has a similar name that redid cutscenes in the series as well unofficially so I was word confused. Hopefully you understand my reply.
I didn't play Halo CE fully until the Collection, and I was fine, I wasn't nearly as confused as Pat was if at all, you don't need to play CE to enjoy Halo 2 campaign. I do remember that back in the day people were disappointed over Halo 2 story cause our expectations were too high, we were given the impression through the marketing that the war on Earth would be focused on more and the other part of the disappointment was people crying over playing the Arbiter
That was the great thing about being like, 14/15 with a bad internet connection as the halo sequels were coming out. Because the halo games just got more and more hype.
@@disnothsi2218 But he also says the mix and match aspect goes away, which is completely false and I'd bet that's what chat was trying to correct considering the stream delay.
I was the same as Pat when I was in high school. No one ever talked about the story mode and they just wanted to play multiplayer. I also never had an Xbox.
Growing up, I never got to play Halo 2, so I never could get into Halo's story. I went from 1 to 3 onwards. As such, I always skipped the cutscenes, even when I went back to 2 . I just didn't care about anything anyone had to say. So watching Woolies streams has been me rediscovering some of my favorite games. Never realized how fucking rad Halo Lore can be.
I get super annoyed when I hear a friend is jumping into a game series late, Kingdom Hearts III and DMC 5 being recent examples, and I say "Okay if you want to but just warning you you aren't going to understand anything" and they say "I have already asked like 6 or 7 friends if it would be okay to just jump right into this one and they said yeah it's no problem you don't need to know any of the other games to enjoy this one". Who are these motherfuckers that say that?! That anger is more at the people recommending jumping to a late one not the person who is jumping to the late one cause they don't know any better. However I DO get mad when I am the person a friend comes to and they are like "Hey you like Kingdom Hearts a lot right? I am thinking of playing III would you recommend it?" and I say "No I wouldn't cause you will be too confused cause it has too many games of build up that you need to know first." then they just say "Oh. Well I am going to play it anyway cause I don't want to play old games I just want to play the newest one that everyone is talking about". Why did you even ask me if you were just going to completely ignore what I said?
If Woolie wants to get into more modern military shooters; Recommend the Bad Company series! Heavily! Cause you get great feeling guns with a story that doesn't take itself that seriously and benefits from it.
Bad Company, huh? I assume the starting point is just "the first one"? Edit: Oh Bad Company 2 is on Steam and the response here says it's really good so maybe I should just start with that one.
I know someone that worked on some of the Halo games. The developers had discussions about separating the campaign and the multiplayer. Each would be sold for $30 separately. They did this because they were seeing that there were players that only played the campaign and players that only played the multiplayer. This didn't happen because of physical stores. The stores know how much all the space in their store is worth. Each of those video game slots was worth $60. They would not fill a $60 slot with a $30 game.
I totally get Pat though. I think people forget how all of Halo's marketing was just SpaceCod until the Diorama ads of 3. 2 is superior to 1 in every way but most of the plot is from Arbiter's campaign and the loudest fans HATED it for years. Do people forget the elitism of banning all Covenant content so the game could be as "pure" and "real" shooter as possible? I can only compare it to how the Smash community used the editing tools to turn a 2d chaotic gladiator arena game to another generic. 1v1 fighter.
That last comparison seems so inaccurate it hurts lol. But yeah I never really heard of anyone banning covenant weapons. The MLG stuff I would watch back in the day had all the swords and pew pew space guns you would expect. Would be really weird without the dynamic between energy weapons, human weapons, and shields.
@White-Van Helsing Oh, I was thinking of the gyro ball mouses LOL. But uh yeah, gyro aim for FPS is pretty nice on controllers, especially when you get access to both thumbstick and gyro at the same time, really gives you the fine tuning that the clumsy thumbstick alone tends to lack.
I got the Halo 2 collector's edition for Christmas one year. My parents had to wait to get the actual XBox for a couple weeks because all the local stores were sold out I guess. I had only played the first couple levels of Combat Evolved at a friend's house, but during those few weeks I obsessively read and re-read the manual, and watched and rewatched the DVD that came with the Collector's Edition, so I was more or less prepared for what the story had to offer and I loved it. I even read some of the books later. Ghosts of Onyx and Contact Harvest were the ones that stand out the most in my memory.
Drakengard 1 is an experience that needs to be played to be really understood. It's such a mean, evil game. And the soundtrack going ever crazier as the game advances. Definitely not for everyone, but it's A N E X P E R I E N C E.
Okay I know we’re all tip-towing around it, but for real. Pat jumped into the second game of a trilogy and wondered why he was confused by the story, and wondered why people liked it.
Yeah I went into a similar situation as Pat when it came to skipping the first title of a game and jumping right into their sequel. Exhibit A: Metal Gear Solid 4 was 14 year old me’s introduction to the MGS series. I had no clue who anyone was (even with flashbacks) but I was still amazed by the visuals, action and gameplay to the point where I just started digging backwards to play the previous titles until it made sense.
Similar experience here, I played 4 with cousin, then when i got my own ps2 i played too but got stuck, skipped over 3 and finished after 1 year, 4 years later I tried 2 again and my ps2 busted before getting to fatman. Then in 2015 I got a ps3, got the legacy collection and played all of them.
I understand Pat's logic regarding Halo 2 back in the day. As younger fellow my first Halo was 3, didn't understand anything going on other than crashing in a forest, halfway through there's mini-squids everywhere, and it's time to "finish the fight." Played ODST soon after it came out, then went back and played 2 at a friend's house, then Reach, then CE on PC during lunch breaks during high school. I kinda got the same deal with franchises like Mass Effect where I started with 2 and Gears of War where I started with 3, you really need to play the first games before understanding the sequels. MGS2, the example laid in by chat members, actually does a fairly good job explaining things regarding Shadow Moses and even the first MG games when story elements require it to through codec dialogues and cutscenes - same with the Yakuza series to that extent - it's just that typically no one cares and don't pay attention regardless.
>Arbiter is not Keith David in Killer Instinct Wait who the fuck >Ray Chase *NOCTIS AND ROY FIRE EMBLEM CAN DO A PERFECT KEITH DAVID, WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?*
Pat's interaction with Halo seems to be the same as how my Mum decided to interact with the second-hand Ace Attorney games I gifted her. Of course the story doesn't make sense when you complete the first case, half play the second, then pull out the cartridge and pop in the second game without finishing the first! It's episodic soap opera rules! Of course the story becomes difficult to understand when you decide to skip 4/5 episodes like that! But at least *she* had the excuse of never having played video games and also being over 50.
Playing MGS2 and Halo 3 first taught me that never played the sequel game. ALWAYS play the previous games first. Now, I have gone back and played the previous parts afterwards and played them so much that I dont even remember my first jump into the series.
Honestly, I think it's totally fine to start with a sequel, I started with MGS2 and I still fell in love with it. I also started with Halo 2 and totally loved it. Pat's just a weird little goblin making excuses
@@HKgaming86 Thats true. MGS2 started my gaming "career". I wasnt a big gamer before, but then I saw my friends and brother playing and I was like hmm...I wanna try that.
I literally came here to thank Woolie for giving this franchise a chance. For context Woolie, if Pat tries to compare Half Life 2 and Halo 2 ever again (which is like stop it you're tearing down 2 games that are magnificent) Half Life 2 was content complete and got delayed only because someone stole the source code. After remaking the game following their E3 build having realized the engine they used wouldnt work, the Halo 2 you played was made in 10 months according to engineers on the team. It was originally going to be much wider in scope, with halo 3's concept included. It is according to Bungie/Microsoft members the game that had the most playtesting ever in their history at the time because all they wanted to do was pair the game down until it was *good.* To me, that makes Halo 2 an amazing achievement in of itself. It wasn't going to do what HL2 did with lighting and whatnot, but Halo 2's existence at all blows me away. Also if you're ever curious about repeat playthroughs, there is minor differences beyond difficulty for halo 2 and CE in terms of dialogue specifically for Johnson.
I dont watch woolie and pat consistently at all but I've always been interested in woolie's locs. They look really nice at well maintained at that length
The Reach and Halo 1 and 2 depiction of how Reach went down was so DIFFERENT they had to come out with a fucking Book to explain why both were so different. Lmao.
I can kinda get what Pat’s saying, considering the first shot of Halo 2 is the same shot from the credits of Halo 1. Everything he was confused by was kind of set up and explained in Halo 1, the Flood, the Covenant, and Halo itself. Edit: oh jeez, yeah that experience would put you off the series.
I think some games you can skip and not be affected too bad, like DMC, I started with 4, fell in love then went back, but Halo you NEED to play in order to fully get the story and everything like that, otherwise you can be left pretty confused and underwhelmed, it's like hopping in to a Telltale game on episode 3 or 4 and expecting everything to make sense 😂
Pat is the kind of person who sits in the Theater of Jurassic Park 2: the lost world, having never seen the original, stands up and starts screaming "Why isn't anyone explaining to me why there are dinosaurs!!"
Trying to avoid Pat's Halo experience is exactly why I refuse to get into something unless I can somehow see it from the beginning. When I was a kid my mom would buy random bargain-bin anime volumes and try to get me to watch them and it drove me up the fucking wall.
This is why I am always apprehensive about playing games in a series if I’ve never played the first one- why I waited until ME1 came to PS3 to play the trilogy, or why I got Witcher 3 as a gift and didn’t touch it for years until I read all the books. Unless I know for a fact that playing the previous games isn’t necessary (e.g. Zelda, Dragon Quest, Elder Scrolls), I never even try getting into a franchise if I can’t play the first games (or in the case of The Witcher, reading the source material).
I'm going to be real The way Pat described getting into The Witcher 3 is the way I did it and it is probably one of my favorite games I just watched a two-hour RUclips session and it just kind of filled me in on everything
I start with halo 2 as well but the difference was i was 8 years old and didnt care about what a halo is or who these aliens are. Although even now i still can play a game series mid entry and not get frustrated with not being fully aware with whats happening. I just choose not to do that as an adult cause i actually have the means to buy and play games in the correct order.
I started with DMC3 and just watched all the cutscenes for DMC1 and 2 afterwards before actually playing DMC4. I accidentally made the right choice, in hindsight.
Pat 2 weeks ago: I’ve never gotten the love for Halo, it’s overrated. Pat this week: *this* And this is why everyone dogpiles on pat at the slightest chance.
Man, I find it hilarious that non-europeans get freaked out by Witcher 1 and especially 2, the first one is a bug filled mess but had great atmosphere and 2 is legit a good game the statement of Pat towards the series is unfortunately not the first time I heard something like this
I had a weird start with halo, i had started reading the books first. Then the first time I ever actually played halo was at a friend's house and it was halo 3. I loved it, then I got CE on pc. Borrowed halo 3 and beat it. Then I skipped to reach cause it was the newest at the time, and have bought just about every halo since. But somehow I still havent played 2 💀
Real video game guns usually connect with people who have experience with real life guns. Even if I've never shot a m60 I feel a lot more connected knowing the kinetic feeling of a bullet leaving a gun compared to shooting balls of light out of an energy gun, not that there isn't novelty in that too.
TBH starting with Halo 3 is not that bad since they do catch you up with most stuff. They had the foresight to give people the gist of the story after seeing the space mans on the mountain dew.
As a person who has only played Halo for the Multiplayer and doesn't really care about Mr John Haloman and his orbital dropping adventures, its still humorous to me that Pat managed to tune out anything Halo story related so well for so long. lol.
It's weird. I'm a recent med school graduate (on the 2021 match cycle if you're wondering why I'm typing this and NOT on the wards... lol) and through my clinical years I've met many people with varying degrees of OCD, from mild to crippling. My response to them has always been to try and be as compassionate and understanding as possible... So why, then... whenever Pat starts talking about his fucking mind goblins and his OCD, do I go "YEAH GET FUCKED, YOU GREMLIN BASTARD"?
Every time I start to come to grips with pat he drops a new bomb in the clip
>Didn't play Halo 1 so just jumped into Halo 2 and had no idea what was going on so he stopped
>Played half of Halo 3 on a hanging CRT in a mall with no sound while waiting for a movie
>Decided instead to watch Red vs Blue and quit when it switched to Halo 2
Wtf that's when it gets good. Like Season 3 is my favorite out of the whole series.
LinkinMark1994 it’s funny cuz they played with and met Geoff Ramsey and the Achievement Hunter Crew, so I wonder if they have any concept of how much is in that series. Like do they know it’s still going on?
"Pat, do you actually know anything about Halo at all?"
"Don't worry, I played Halo 3 on a mall for an hour or two. The sound wasn't on, but I think I got the gist of it."
"Hey guys, so I've started The Two Towers 'cause my friends said it had sick battle sequences, but I just can't understand what's so special about this dumb ring. And who the hell is this Frodo guy? I know there was a previous entry but I looked at the cover and it just looks like generic fantasy schlock to me." -- Pat, probably.
To be fair I can totally see the events that led up to this.
I don't even blame Pat, he was mostly innocent here
He was a *kid.* Teenagers do this regularly.
@@SuccubiPie I mean I was at least 4-years younger than Pat at the time and I caught on
@@TheTexasDice He's innocent until he plays Halo 2. From then on he's just a dumbass.
@Sergio Georgini tell me what the story for the first game was aside from "we're being attacked by aliens! evasive maneuvers! land on giant space object! now we're out numbered and need to find a way out of here! oh no zombies!" you can literally jump into halo 2 without playing CE and be completely okay with understanding the plot lol
pat getting halo 5's teaser and halo 3's Believe campaign blurred together sounds like such typical pat. love the little goblin
Funny you got it wrong too. It's halo 4's teaser.
No, its 5s teaser. It has a guardian in it.
@@GreedAndSelfishness no the cloak in desert chief was 5
@@Mr_Meatbox Indeed. I was wrong. 343's halo just blurs together for me.
Pat is Wrong Simulator: Speedrun Any%
One day we will find out that Pat never actually played any videogames, he was just mashing buttons on a non-working controller while someone else played the games for him.
It was Paige all along. And Pat is secretly playing whenever Paige streams. It's the longest of long cons.
Pat vs D'Arby
Patrick Boivin: "I'm just going to tell you, I don't know how to use a computer."
Badger oh dude after this long there’s no way it’s an act
Ah yes. The snoop dogg method
seeing woolie enjoy halo and just gushing about it is giving me a huge grin
It's funny how he's been getting into shooters not gonna lie wouldn't mind seeing him delve into the metro 2033 or homefront series to differentiate from COD or Battlefield
@@kisame786 metro yeah!
Not homefront
It's making me want to play halo
@@Twizzid255 Spend ten bucks to play the first one and go from there
@@Timberlander420 oh I've been playing them for years, I meant its putting me in the mood to play the series again
the woolie improvement arc starts now and the pat improvement arc never starts
How do you improve perfection?
@@StopLizard you square it
It did back in January about him going to a gym trainer but then the Rona Nation attacked and everything changed.
*Avatar the last air bender intro theme*
This is definitely a good arc. Halo and TTYD?
@@francescolombardi3438 he did already his girlfriend is just him with a vagina.
One day Pat's gonna be like "I've never actually play any Metal Gear Solid games other than Metal Gear Solid V, I've only read the wiki pages."
He did that so many times now that I doubt he ever played anything at this point.
Well he did that for Jojo so its not unbelievable ;P
Pat truly did everything he could to not enjoy Halo.
Pat playing Halo 2: "I don't understand, what is a halo?"
Halo 2 cutscene plays on arriving at a Halo ring and say explains it.
Pat playing Halo 2: "This game is dumb and I don't get it."
I have never seen a man gimp themselves this hard in the enjoyment of videogames as much as Pat did. Even Minh doing his patented "Minh-Maxing" isn't as egregious as being a filthy part-skipper.
pat is a gremlin
I am fully convinced at this point Pat does not actually play videogames anymore. Its either Paigue or Plague of Gripes wearing an elaborate costume.
lol idk Minh before in FFxiv not upgrading his class to Drg during Heavensward raids still riles me up. Tho i know now he has upgraded.
I dunno, Pat had a point here. When you look at the cover for Halo 1 and 2 with no prior knowledge of the franchise, yeah, you'd probably think the story wouldn't mean anything.
@@kurochio5073 Just to clarify because I didn't mention it during the podcast, but the jobless Lancer class is my ALT character. My main character is and always has been DRG. I clear stuff as DRG first and then, using my knowledge and experience, I clear stuff on LNC. Hence the "fucking good" comment.
It's not quite the same without the hundreds of people in chat agonizing over how hilariously wrong Pat is.
As someone who never sees these live, I can only imagine.
I'd like to imagine that there is a parallel universe where Woolie took a break from "Get into FPS games" to try CVS2 for the first time with V, with this same reaction being the end result.
Woolie FPS
@@kylo-benshapiro687 That's so good. 😊
CVS2 = best fighting game
"Yo, this Tuna with Bacon song is a JAM!"
"I watched Red vs Blue until they changed it to the Halo 2 engine and then I said 'I don't like how Caboose looks' and stopped watching."
I cannot find the words for this.
In the voice of the guy from the 9+10=21 clip, just say “you stupiddddd”
I can find one.
It's "Wow."
"it's the beast! The Anti-Flag!"
I have never seen man combo break his own enjoyment of a series so had, well done pat. You didn't just play yourself, you freaking ultra-combo'd your enjoyment to death.
Not only is the duality between what's happening to Chief and Arbiter at the start cool to see, but there's also the fact that they're in these situations for the exact same reason.
For the destruction of the ring, the loss of his comrades, and his own safe return home, Chief is being rewarded.
For the destruction of the ring, the loss of his comrades, and his own safe return home, Arbiter is being punished.
To be fair not everyone can be as esteemed a gamer as Woolie, who can sleep on a game series for almost 2 decades to only now discover its a masterpiece.
at least he's returned to it to rectify said mistake
Never played FF7 before, so everyone talking about the remake just flew over my head. Finally decided to play the original a week ago, since I don't own a Playstation, so I might as well know who these characters are. Yeah, it's still a great game, I don't care how it looks.
@@TheZombieKing Agreed, although i did the same last year. im gonna wait a bit for the remake though and give 15 a chance.
Glad woolie is catching up on good fps games
Pat straight up lying about duel wielding in the first 5 minutes sets the stage for the rest of the video super well
If you only play Kingdom Hearts 1,2, and 3 you will miss more than half of the franchise but understand just as much as everyone else
"So, you have came this far and still you understand nothing."
Fanboy of the series here. You're not wrong on that.
Not... really? You will understand who does what, but the entire franchise have so many different moments that goes unexplained for the entirety of games they happened in, so you will not know what is happening, but you will probably know why it's happening and know most of the guys it's happening with.
Woolie gushing over Halo makes me wonder if he'd survive the Judgement Nut that is FEAR 1.
Can we keep it on pause at least until he gets comfortable with an input setup that includes a mouse?
FEAR 1 is the goat. All hail replicas!
He'll not gonna like how hard it is.
@@EggBastion He will never do that. He's to stubborn to change the controls.
To be fair, MGS2 actually was my first Metal Gear, but it sort of had the opposite effect where it was so bizarre and divergent from my expectations that I knew I had to play the rest of the series to see what the fuck was going on there.
"Turn the game off, Raiden."
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Try peacewalker first, then 4, then the rest in order. It's the main reason I don't mind watching stuff out of order, because finding out the rest of the story after all the crazy shit in those ones were fun.
@@TomBombadil168 Oh, this was years and years ago. I've played through pretty much everything short of Survive multiple times by this point. But yeah, the mystery of what you've missed can definitely be its own draw.
My first one was 4. Then my dad bought the entire series specifically because he wanted to show me how good they were. My dad's got excellent taste.
So basically, Pat's experience with Halo is the same as Woolie's experience with Dark Souls.
34:00 This describes what happened to KH3 except when the fans tried to say that they were slammed for Gatekeeping.
Fine argument from Mr. Woolie "Castlevania starts at SotN" Madden. Take that as you will.
Castlevania's story doesn't actually matter. The lore isn't that deep.
@@blitzkriegdragon013 There's a guy who did a whole timeline series on it and the reboot. I think the storyline is a bit more complex than you're giving it credit.
Edit: Looked it up. The guy's name is GamerThumbTV.
@@KoPLeaderKiactu Complexity doesn't mean quality. I've seen the video. The lore of Castlevania it's relatively generic. Loads of story potential, but I'm referring to the overall plot of the games.
you;re not wrong, anyone who hasn't played the Castlevania games prior to SoTN really should play them. But that still doesn't absolve Pat of his monumental ignorance according to the topic at hand
@@HKgaming86 No, it doesn't. Statement was meant more in jest than anything else.
It's really fun seeing Pat wrong and him actually admitting to it.
Woolie: To be fair i never gave real guns a chance
Sundowner in the distance: Give the race war a chance woolie!
I almost finished an entirety of Medal of Honor campaign while standing at the console spot in Media Markt.
It was pretty fun, forgot which one was it though.
Woolie is really going like swat if he starts playing matchmaking, battle rifle for life
This just the monster hunter argument pat kept pushing, pat was like you gotta play the old ones to appreciate the new ones, c'mon goblin man I live in America I've got enough hypocrisy in my life
When there's plot and story that matter, sure. Monster Hunter is not that. With the exception of Generations, each one is essentially unrelated to the others.
You absolutely do NOT have to play any other MH game to play World. It was designed SPECIFICALLY for that point. Pat's NEVER BEEN MORE WRONG!
There's a twisted logic to that. In that World has so much quality of life updates that new hunters don't know how good they've got it. But why make people suffer through jank?
The hilarious thing about this entire discussion is that if Woolie played Fate/Stay Night: IT WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME CONVERSATION.
@@mongooseunleashed Does it? I still haven't heard any complaints about it that weren't in regards to Fate/GO
@@mongooseunleashed That's a straight lie since fsn, tsukihime, and knk are meant to be sister series that build on each other
@@mongooseunleashed oh I thought u ment the entirety of the fsn visual novel
@@mongooseunleashed also that's also a lie as the vn you're ment to do fate, ubw, and hf in that order
They're not supposed to be self contained
I started with Fate/Extella, took a look at Fate/Extra and went "oh fuck that rock paper scissors bullshit" and just made my own backstory for it.
Which is kind of redundant because Extella already substantially retcons Extra on its own as I found out later.
I'd like to mention that after this sequence Pat tells Woolie that he's free to skip over the Serious Sam series.
Sounds about right.
He's not wrong to do so, Sam's a pretender to the throne.
He's right.
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I love Serious Sam... but Pat may actually be right...
You don’t know _true confusion_ until you get into the Kingdom Hearts series starting with Chain of Memories on the GBA like I did.
"We have to look for Riku!"
13 year old me: "Who the hell is Riku?"
... I know your pain
@@kojiro00 Imagine beating the game for the first time, totally robbed of the emotional payoff of the final cutscene because all you can think is "Who the hell is brunette-Namine???"
I did it with BBS on PSP. I enjoyed it, but the story was still "wtf is going on" despite it being a prequel.
This was my exact experience.
And then the ads for KH2 were going in blockbuster, and I realized I was playing a spinoff.
Still love me that Replica Riku boss fight lead-in.
The strings and organ were fantastic even on the GBA.
"Well this looks like a fun card-based RPG! I like card games and RPGs, this should be a riot!"
A full JRPG later
"i don't remember what my own name is anymore"
1 Minute in and Woolie is already spreading the gospel of Blur Studios. Good thing too because Blur might just be the best 3D Animation Studio out there
is that the one who did remakes on cutscenes?
@@Gungho73 They did the cutscenes on the Halo remake and are responsible for 90% of cutscenes and CGI trailers from PS2 Era onwards (Seriously it's insane how much they've done) If you want to see how good they are at Visual Storytelling check out the Elder Scrolls Online trailers they made a narrative with the first three they did and they keep coming back for every expansion trailer
@@cyberninjazero5659 Okay! I was curious because I know of a youtuber who has a similar name that redid cutscenes in the series as well unofficially so I was word confused. Hopefully you understand my reply.
I didn't play Halo CE fully until the Collection, and I was fine, I wasn't nearly as confused as Pat was if at all, you don't need to play CE to enjoy Halo 2 campaign.
I do remember that back in the day people were disappointed over Halo 2 story cause our expectations were too high, we were given the impression through the marketing that the war on Earth would be focused on more and the other part of the disappointment was people crying over playing the Arbiter
"The disappointment was IDIOTS crying over playing the Arbiter"
FTFY
@@PR0MAN01 fair point
@arcaneguyver fair enough, I did forget that was a bone of contention
That was the great thing about being like, 14/15 with a bad internet connection as the halo sequels were coming out. Because the halo games just got more and more hype.
@@manticorephoenix Playing as the Arbitar was one of my favorite things about Halo 2
As someone who played Witcher 2 recently, it's fine and Pat is wrong.
No one here should be surprised.
Witcher 2 is fine... 1 is shit though, but 2 is alright.
The witcher games are barely connected at all and you always get an exposition comic explaining the last game
@@TheTexasDice We do!?! Where's mine? I have W3 and W3, no comic!
"You can't dual wield in 3 you dumbshits"
*CRAZY TALK, ACTIVATE!*
W: Could you even hear the game?
P: No.
I think we peaked.
5:45 You CAN dual wield in Halo 3. It's just limited to specific guns.
...yeah thats what pat was saying, he was mentioning how the needler is one of the guns you cant dual wield
And it's better LOL. Dual Wielding in Halo 2 sucks ass
@@disnothsi2218 But he also says the mix and match aspect goes away, which is completely false and I'd bet that's what chat was trying to correct considering the stream delay.
I was the same as Pat when I was in high school. No one ever talked about the story mode and they just wanted to play multiplayer. I also never had an Xbox.
Yeah, same here. But that changed like a year or 2 ago with a buddy of mine.
If woolie doesn't play reach imma be BIG SAD
It is probably the most Woolie bait of any Halo.
It’s already on MCC so he does have it.
@Sergio Georgini he's playing on pc; it's included.
Reach is included in both the PC & Xbox versions, can confirm as I played through Reach on the MCC last month on Xbox
Woolie not only playing Halo, but ENJOYING Halo 2 so much has made me so happy. Welcome to the hype train. Halo 3 is going to be a real treat.
I started this series in the middle and didn't understand what was happening, its everyone around me's fault
Growing up, I never got to play Halo 2, so I never could get into Halo's story. I went from 1 to 3 onwards. As such, I always skipped the cutscenes, even when I went back to 2 . I just didn't care about anything anyone had to say.
So watching Woolies streams has been me rediscovering some of my favorite games. Never realized how fucking rad Halo Lore can be.
Honestly you SHOULD play Halo in order, but I really don't think it's necessary
As JoJo fans they should know, PART SKIPPING IS ILLEGAL
*NO DIGNITY!*
Pats lack of openness is his undoing. Even I went through the story 3, 2, 1 and I got it.
You guys are talking about Pat as though he currently holds his old opinions on Halo. He is literally laughing at his past self here.
"Feeling is believing"
That's pretty good
I get super annoyed when I hear a friend is jumping into a game series late, Kingdom Hearts III and DMC 5 being recent examples, and I say "Okay if you want to but just warning you you aren't going to understand anything" and they say "I have already asked like 6 or 7 friends if it would be okay to just jump right into this one and they said yeah it's no problem you don't need to know any of the other games to enjoy this one". Who are these motherfuckers that say that?! That anger is more at the people recommending jumping to a late one not the person who is jumping to the late one cause they don't know any better.
However I DO get mad when I am the person a friend comes to and they are like "Hey you like Kingdom Hearts a lot right? I am thinking of playing III would you recommend it?" and I say "No I wouldn't cause you will be too confused cause it has too many games of build up that you need to know first." then they just say "Oh. Well I am going to play it anyway cause I don't want to play old games I just want to play the newest one that everyone is talking about". Why did you even ask me if you were just going to completely ignore what I said?
I feel like a lot of us jumped into Metal Gear Solid for the playstation having no idea it was a sequel.
I've needed this video for so long.
If Woolie wants to get into more modern military shooters;
Recommend the Bad Company series! Heavily! Cause you get great feeling guns with a story that doesn't take itself that seriously and benefits from it.
Bad Company 2 is still the best Battlefield game, period.
Bad Company, huh? I assume the starting point is just "the first one"?
Edit: Oh Bad Company 2 is on Steam and the response here says it's really good so maybe I should just start with that one.
@@StarkMaximum I think you should try BC1 before 2, i know this is late but i think you understand characters a bit better.
I know someone that worked on some of the Halo games. The developers had discussions about separating the campaign and the multiplayer. Each would be sold for $30 separately. They did this because they were seeing that there were players that only played the campaign and players that only played the multiplayer. This didn't happen because of physical stores. The stores know how much all the space in their store is worth. Each of those video game slots was worth $60. They would not fill a $60 slot with a $30 game.
I totally get Pat though. I think people forget how all of Halo's marketing was just SpaceCod until the Diorama ads of 3. 2 is superior to 1 in every way but most of the plot is from Arbiter's campaign and the loudest fans HATED it for years. Do people forget the elitism of banning all Covenant content so the game could be as "pure" and "real" shooter as possible?
I can only compare it to how the Smash community used the editing tools to turn a 2d chaotic gladiator arena game to another generic. 1v1 fighter.
Ive seen people still crying over Arbiter missions just a couple weeks ago. Ho's mad man, ho's mad
That last comparison seems so inaccurate it hurts lol.
But yeah I never really heard of anyone banning covenant weapons. The MLG stuff I would watch back in the day had all the swords and pew pew space guns you would expect. Would be really weird without the dynamic between energy weapons, human weapons, and shields.
Now wait till Woolie realizes the power of KB/M + FPS. It's a weird change in muscle memory but omg the jump in aim control is insane.
...or gyro aim becomes easier to enable for older games that never had it
whatever comes first, it won't be for another 50 years either way *_`:(_*
@@EggBastion I've always wanted to try Gyro, especially with WoW.
I'm with woolie, fuck wasd controls
@White-Van Helsing Oh, I was thinking of the gyro ball mouses LOL.
But uh yeah, gyro aim for FPS is pretty nice on controllers, especially when you get access to both thumbstick and gyro at the same time, really gives you the fine tuning that the clumsy thumbstick alone tends to lack.
I got the Halo 2 collector's edition for Christmas one year. My parents had to wait to get the actual XBox for a couple weeks because all the local stores were sold out I guess. I had only played the first couple levels of Combat Evolved at a friend's house, but during those few weeks I obsessively read and re-read the manual, and watched and rewatched the DVD that came with the Collector's Edition, so I was more or less prepared for what the story had to offer and I loved it. I even read some of the books later. Ghosts of Onyx and Contact Harvest were the ones that stand out the most in my memory.
Pat's face at the start of this, glorious.
You're alive!!! It's been awhile since I saw you on here, how you been?
Drakengard 1 is an experience that needs to be played to be really understood. It's such a mean, evil game. And the soundtrack going ever crazier as the game advances.
Definitely not for everyone, but it's A N E X P E R I E N C E.
All of Yoko Taro's games are experiences. Not all necessarily great, but interesting experiences none the less.
oooooOOOOOOR
I could watch MrClemps tell me about it in a sexy English voice.
@@2la84me I'd prefer Sophie, but I guess that's out the window now.
Okay I know we’re all tip-towing around it, but for real. Pat jumped into the second game of a trilogy and wondered why he was confused by the story, and wondered why people liked it.
"You can't dual wield in 3, dumbshits."
-Wrong Boy
Yeah I went into a similar situation as Pat when it came to skipping the first title of a game and jumping right into their sequel.
Exhibit A: Metal Gear Solid 4 was 14 year old me’s introduction to the MGS series. I had no clue who anyone was (even with flashbacks) but I was still amazed by the visuals, action and gameplay to the point where I just started digging backwards to play the previous titles until it made sense.
@Syd Klem Code Veronica is pretty good.
Similar experience here, I played 4 with cousin, then when i got my own ps2 i played too but got stuck, skipped over 3 and finished after 1 year, 4 years later I tried 2 again and my ps2 busted before getting to fatman. Then in 2015 I got a ps3, got the legacy collection and played all of them.
Alright woolie you won me over, I'll watch the halo lp.
I understand Pat's logic regarding Halo 2 back in the day. As younger fellow my first Halo was 3, didn't understand anything going on other than crashing in a forest, halfway through there's mini-squids everywhere, and it's time to "finish the fight." Played ODST soon after it came out, then went back and played 2 at a friend's house, then Reach, then CE on PC during lunch breaks during high school. I kinda got the same deal with franchises like Mass Effect where I started with 2 and Gears of War where I started with 3, you really need to play the first games before understanding the sequels. MGS2, the example laid in by chat members, actually does a fairly good job explaining things regarding Shadow Moses and even the first MG games when story elements require it to through codec dialogues and cutscenes - same with the Yakuza series to that extent - it's just that typically no one cares and don't pay attention regardless.
I remember playing Halo 3 and Reach in co op with a friend, and had fun with the setpieces.
we then went backwards when I asked him stuff, as you do.
>Arbiter is not Keith David in Killer Instinct
Wait who the fuck
>Ray Chase
*NOCTIS AND ROY FIRE EMBLEM CAN DO A PERFECT KEITH DAVID, WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?*
Pat: “Grunts aren’t a threat”. Pat hasn’t played Halo on legendary. I still have nightmares of the suicide bombings.
Pat's interaction with Halo seems to be the same as how my Mum decided to interact with the second-hand Ace Attorney games I gifted her. Of course the story doesn't make sense when you complete the first case, half play the second, then pull out the cartridge and pop in the second game without finishing the first! It's episodic soap opera rules! Of course the story becomes difficult to understand when you decide to skip 4/5 episodes like that!
But at least *she* had the excuse of never having played video games and also being over 50.
Pat used to play games like chief from Arby and the Chief only caring about the multiplayer and having terrible hot takes.
Playing MGS2 and Halo 3 first taught me that never played the sequel game. ALWAYS play the previous games first. Now, I have gone back and played the previous parts afterwards and played them so much that I dont even remember my first jump into the series.
Honestly, I think it's totally fine to start with a sequel, I started with MGS2 and I still fell in love with it. I also started with Halo 2 and totally loved it. Pat's just a weird little goblin making excuses
@@HKgaming86 Thats true. MGS2 started my gaming "career". I wasnt a big gamer before, but then I saw my friends and brother playing and I was like hmm...I wanna try that.
Battle rifle is the shit
Pat playing Halo 2 is like me playing any game high
Did Pat say you can't dual wield in Halo 3?
Yes and he is wrong
I think he even called people saying you could in 3 dumbshits. Which is just so many layers of fun.
You can’t dual wield the needler anymore iirc
@@DoctorCVC goddamn it Pat
@@Abdega you cannot but in 3 you can
I literally came here to thank Woolie for giving this franchise a chance. For context Woolie, if Pat tries to compare Half Life 2 and Halo 2 ever again (which is like stop it you're tearing down 2 games that are magnificent) Half Life 2 was content complete and got delayed only because someone stole the source code. After remaking the game following their E3 build having realized the engine they used wouldnt work, the Halo 2 you played was made in 10 months according to engineers on the team. It was originally going to be much wider in scope, with halo 3's concept included. It is according to Bungie/Microsoft members the game that had the most playtesting ever in their history at the time because all they wanted to do was pair the game down until it was *good.* To me, that makes Halo 2 an amazing achievement in of itself. It wasn't going to do what HL2 did with lighting and whatnot, but Halo 2's existence at all blows me away.
Also if you're ever curious about repeat playthroughs, there is minor differences beyond difficulty for halo 2 and CE in terms of dialogue specifically for Johnson.
Can anyone link me the clip of the dude who was really confused when Dante was dancing in Devil May Cry 5? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
I dont watch woolie and pat consistently at all but I've always been interested in woolie's locs. They look really nice at well maintained at that length
The Reach and Halo 1 and 2 depiction of how Reach went down was so DIFFERENT they had to come out with a fucking Book to explain why both were so different. Lmao.
Pat Stares At Halo coming soon
Hearing Woolie gush about old games is fun.
Woolie is really breaking down Pats Halo wall
here
I can kinda get what Pat’s saying, considering the first shot of Halo 2 is the same shot from the credits of Halo 1. Everything he was confused by was kind of set up and explained in Halo 1, the Flood, the Covenant, and Halo itself.
Edit: oh jeez, yeah that experience would put you off the series.
I think some games you can skip and not be affected too bad, like DMC, I started with 4, fell in love then went back, but Halo you NEED to play in order to fully get the story and everything like that, otherwise you can be left pretty confused and underwhelmed, it's like hopping in to a Telltale game on episode 3 or 4 and expecting everything to make sense 😂
43:12 I didn't know Pat played XIV during these. That skill target sound comes from nowhere else.
Pat is the kind of person who sits in the Theater of Jurassic Park 2: the lost world, having never seen the original, stands up and starts screaming "Why isn't anyone explaining to me why there are dinosaurs!!"
Trying to avoid Pat's Halo experience is exactly why I refuse to get into something unless I can somehow see it from the beginning.
When I was a kid my mom would buy random bargain-bin anime volumes and try to get me to watch them and it drove me up the fucking wall.
This is why I am always apprehensive about playing games in a series if I’ve never played the first one- why I waited until ME1 came to PS3 to play the trilogy, or why I got Witcher 3 as a gift and didn’t touch it for years until I read all the books. Unless I know for a fact that playing the previous games isn’t necessary (e.g. Zelda, Dragon Quest, Elder Scrolls), I never even try getting into a franchise if I can’t play the first games (or in the case of The Witcher, reading the source material).
Every time Pat says "fight the Flood", my mind goes to Flood from Super Mario Sunshine.
I'm going to be real The way Pat described getting into The Witcher 3 is the way I did it and it is probably one of my favorite games I just watched a two-hour RUclips session and it just kind of filled me in on everything
I start with halo 2 as well but the difference was i was 8 years old and didnt care about what a halo is or who these aliens are. Although even now i still can play a game series mid entry and not get frustrated with not being fully aware with whats happening. I just choose not to do that as an adult cause i actually have the means to buy and play games in the correct order.
Glad Woolie is enjoying the game and calling Pat out on his bullshit.
Pat in this video is basically, “listen I fucked up and ruin something by how I chose to experience it, but......” and Woolie just not having it
I started with DMC3 and just watched all the cutscenes for DMC1 and 2 afterwards before actually playing DMC4. I accidentally made the right choice, in hindsight.
Pat 2 weeks ago: I’ve never gotten the love for Halo, it’s overrated.
Pat this week: *this*
And this is why everyone dogpiles on pat at the slightest chance.
Shitting on Pat isn't dogpiling. It's having a reasonable reaction to an unreasonable situation.
Who's this vampire guy? Why do they have to go to Egypt and kill him? What did he do?
Man, I find it hilarious that non-europeans get freaked out by Witcher 1 and especially 2, the first one is a bug filled mess but had great atmosphere and 2 is legit a good game
the statement of Pat towards the series is unfortunately not the first time I heard something like this
Jesus, Pat. They literally explain what the Halo rings are IN EVERY GAME. Halfway into the first one they they literally tell you what it does.
I had a weird start with halo, i had started reading the books first. Then the first time I ever actually played halo was at a friend's house and it was halo 3. I loved it, then I got CE on pc. Borrowed halo 3 and beat it. Then I skipped to reach cause it was the newest at the time, and have bought just about every halo since. But somehow I still havent played 2 💀
Just saying, you should probably play Halo 2
Real video game guns usually connect with people who have experience with real life guns. Even if I've never shot a m60 I feel a lot more connected knowing the kinetic feeling of a bullet leaving a gun compared to shooting balls of light out of an energy gun, not that there isn't novelty in that too.
I started WITH Halo 3. Played Reach and then 4.
TBH starting with Halo 3 is not that bad since they do catch you up with most stuff. They had the foresight to give people the gist of the story after seeing the space mans on the mountain dew.
@@bigdsweet I actually got a French copy of Halo 3 at first. So I didn't understand. But I could play with my friends in multiplayer.
@@bigdsweet the cut scenes conveyed a lot anyway even with the language barrier
Pat has clearly stated for years that he has been... different. That he was unable to grasp jumping into the deep end, essentially, is understandable.
As a person who has only played Halo for the Multiplayer and doesn't really care about Mr John Haloman and his orbital dropping adventures, its still humorous to me that Pat managed to tune out anything Halo story related so well for so long. lol.
It's weird.
I'm a recent med school graduate (on the 2021 match cycle if you're wondering why I'm typing this and NOT on the wards... lol) and through my clinical years I've met many people with varying degrees of OCD, from mild to crippling. My response to them has always been to try and be as compassionate and understanding as possible...
So why, then... whenever Pat starts talking about his fucking mind goblins and his OCD, do I go "YEAH GET FUCKED, YOU GREMLIN BASTARD"?
Woolie's like the kid who has just discovered gummies and thrilled, while Pat's the kid who has been drowning in them and stopped Fs upon.