Deathloop is NO Masterpiece - Luke Stephens
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Let me just get this out of the way. I played through all of Death Loop, I feel as though I've given it a fair chance to impress me, and after dozens of hours with it I can't help but feel as though the press's reactions and subsequent evaluation of the game's worth were remarkably disconnected from reality. Plethora laudations were levied towards the game, some claiming that the game was a triumph, endlessly impressive, and even a masterpiece. Indeed it sounds as though we're describing literally anything that Leonardo DiCaprio has ever done, but in actuality, we're describing something that is somehow more controversial.
You see, in my opinion, Deathloop is far from a masterpiece. In fact, arcane studios made some choices with this game that are so baffling to me that I frankly have a difficult time believing that the games media who covered it weren't aware of its shortcomings but rather were willingly ignorant of them. The fact that some reviewers gave this a nine or even a perfect 10 is nothing short of laughable in my mind. I know, we all have our respective opinions and disagreements are to be expected and even encouraged. But when someone is arguing that a game is perfect or near-perfect there is a burden of proof placed upon them. That’s why my videos are often so long. There IS a burden of proof when you make a claim. If I say that AC Valhalla is a low point for the series and that there are plethora issues with it, I need to defend that point. It’s the same if I praise a game and certainly if I claim that it's perfect or close to it.
So, because I”m making the claim that Death Loop really isn’t very good I’m going to try to justify it. So buckle up, here we go
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Me: "So that was a lie."
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He does this constantly in almost every single video. "My video in the description below' when talking about Last of Us Part 1 just recently for example.
He's just a disingenuous sheep that parrots the general consensus and doesn't care at all about his core audience I've quickly learned with the few of his videos I've watched now.
Also it's proof he doesn't even proofwatch his own videos for inconsistencies or blatant outdated or false facts (which this video is 99% full of)
Just like the reviews that called the game a masterpiece
IGN:"OH MY GOD! even his shadow, look at his shadow!"
Your comment is streets ahead
Is the a mtherfcking community reference!
@@matman000000 it’s verbal wildfire!
The game was shockingly linear. I thought there were many different ways to break the loop but I am assuming based on how the game went there is only one way to kill everyone in one day
So you haven't actually played it?
@@TheKennyboy92 what you mean? There only one way of ending the game
There’s only one visionary that you have to kill in a certain way being frank
@@TheKennyboy92 i have. But is there anyway to avoid killing the enemies in the same order? It seemed like there was only way to get everyone the same day but I hope I’m wrong lol. I would love there to be some replayability
It is actually a pretty amazing game. Everyones entitled to their opinions. But this is just nitpicking stuff. Really with deathloop and also now with Ghostwire...whats wrong with you guys? People really have a hard time enjoying great games. Though i agree zero replaybility value. But still they are awesome until they last.
It’s definitely no masterpiece and it’s not a perfect 10 out of 10. With that being said I have loved every single minute I’ve spent with the game.
"loved"? I can say that about very few games, Arkham City, Vice City, and Kingdom Come (after the first few hours). This was enjoyable at times but mostly just sort of mindless
@@thegadflygang5381 Yes, I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with the game. Arkham City is phenomenal and definitely the best of that series. Since you said Vice City, and I agree, what do you think of the upcoming Definitive Trilogy?
@@hunglo9917 excited beyond belief although it is largely contingent upon their ability to get the full and compete access to the original soundtracks and station playlists. Vice City is just associated with such a great time in my life and anytime i have gone back to play it I never got far.
It looks like they have kept the original aesthetics of the game just enhanced the fidelity and frames. And modernized the gameplay and controls.
Probably the first game i have genuinely looked forward to in awhile
@@hunglo9917 KOTR is another game which I just thoroughly loved and got lost in. Not exactly action packed but i never wanted it to end
@@thegadflygang5381 I completely agree with everything you said. I honestly don’t think they’ll be able to get the same playlist they had with the original. That’s not a deal breaker for me, but it would be nice to have that exact same playlist as before for all three games. KOTOR is my all time favorite Star Wars game by far. I have beaten it countless times and I am extremely excited for the remake if they do it right and leave the story untouched.
"The press's reaction was disconnected from reality"
Well, paint me shocked!
It has some polish issues but it’s something different and something I haven’t seen before, also the AI is designed to be dumb so the game isn’t freaking impossible. I thought it was great, not perfect but nothing is. 10/10 fun factor.
@@kieranblubaugh7863 I'm not saying the game is bad.
But the very reason I rather watch individuals rambling about games on youtube than reading the gaming "press" is precisely because they are completely disconnected from reality. In general.
Shilling for games pays a lot.
Good thing our man Luke gives balanced, unbiased verdicts.
P.S: I am being sarcastic.
@@kieranblubaugh7863 I agree about the AI. The AI is more like binding of isaac or hades. Fodder for the kill on repeat playthroughs.
@no info saying something is cringe is just about the dumbest thing anyone can say.
I honestly think the reviews this game got was supposed to be the scores for Prey 2017 and the scores that game got was for Deathloop.
Prey 2017 was rated correctly. I want my $8.99 back for that game. Lol
@@DV-ou1yuI want my 3 seconds back for reading your dumb comment
@@flotzyyy9582 agreed
@@DV-ou1yu I've been waiting for a sale that low but where is it lol
Prey was so boring
Thank God, i thought i was crazy when all these reviews were calling the game a flawless masterpiece and then all the gameplay i saw of it was extremely flawed and far from masterful.
I don’t think anyone called it flawless. Even IGNs own metric for 10s says it doesn’t mean the game is perfect.
Prey Moon crash was way better
Outer Wilds.
Best time loop game in existence.
Best game in existence, period
outer wilds is the most beautiful game ive ever played
I absolutely love outer Wilds but Majoras mask beats it for sure.
@@braxtonwise9897 no.
If you really like Time Loops. Raging Loop is great to check out.
I honestly felt so confused when I finally got this game, played it, amd didn't like it. I love Dishonored, but something about this game bored and frustrated me to the point I have yet to finish. This review explained many of my complaints I didn't know how to explain
My only complaint with Deathloop is that I wish there were about double the amount of powers (slabs) and that you could use up to 6 or so of them simultaneously, as you do with Deathloop. You can watch videos from StealthGamerBR here on RUclips playing Dishonored where they absolutely toy with the enemies, juggling between all of the powers and utilizing the environment and their knowledge of the game’s physics and the AI’s behaviors to do something really creative with it.
In Deathloop, I feel compelled to take Shift with me 9 times out of 10, and likely Nexus after that. So instead of juggling between powers, it’s more like Death Stranding as far as picking the right weapon, trinkets, and slabs to complement a stealth or loud run that you’re planning, which in turn is planned based on your knowledge of what that location will present in the form of challenges at that specific time of day. As they all evolve over the course of a day and different things happen at different times, I think they were probably going for that “right tool for the right situation” feeling over “I’m the god of this dimension, and can just toy with their lives”.
Sounds like you didn’t love it then
Its begging for a dlc
@@MrJagermeister The reason the powers are limited to 2 active powers you can choose is because of the pvp. Having played a lot of the pvp the game would be too chaotic if you could have 6 powers at once vs another person with that many powers. You don't *need* shift since the map is build around not having shift in mind, but it sure is a help.
It’s a 7/10 game. Don’t know how IGN gave this game 10/10 and then gave guardians of the galaxy 8/10.
because ign is one person
Guardians was my personal goty
Agreed, 7/10.
I can play it only every now and then hour or 2 because i start to feel bored.
Prey/Mooncrash was better.
Is a 5/10 for me.
I couldn't shake the fact that Deathloop's setting felt like an empty, artificial set of multiplayer levels. Greatly designed levels, sure, but it wholly lacked that real, otherworldly-place feel that the Dishonored games and Prey had. Deathloop was fun but felt super gamey to me, the whole way through.
I think it's because the world isn't a place where people actually live their lives in. It's more carefully placed soldiers in masks just waiting for someone to come and attack them. The lack of civilians and everyday objects make the game feel like a constructed video game.
I felt the opposite the game felt lively
@@qrator6882 same
Well i dont understand whats that wrong with something feeling gamey, thats the point of a game!
Maybe i didnt get what you meant, I guess you mean it took you out of the inmersion
It's an immersive sim without the immersive or sim.
I think this games rating is more of a problem with gaming media than with the game. it’s good don’t get me wrong but the standard of what’s a 10/10 has changed, for a lot of these games journalists. Their used to be 1-2 10/10 games a year. Now it’s like “did you come up with a cool concept mechanic and pair it with good to average gameplay?” 10/10. 10/10 games are supposed to be games you think about for weeks after you put it down. After I beat death loop this is the first time I’ve been reminded of it’s existence.
That right there lies in the subjective nature of all reviews and takes. Just because you forgot about it doesn't mean others did
A ten means whatever it means to the person reviewing the game. Dont supply your definition and apply it to their score.
@@DV-ou1yu that’s correct it’s an opinion after all. But that’s also things cyberpunk fans and fallout76 fans say to justify their game being good. If you enjoy a game people think is bad that’s great for you, you got what you wanted but don’t blame everyone else for being disappointed. I don’t think death loop is anything to write home about. So I’m not writing home. If you think it’s a 10/10 world class great for you man.
@@breadordecide uhm that’s what we’re all doing? That literally this entire video. The entire comment section. Have a problem with the video not with me. Argue with yourself lmao.
The rating is meaningless. It has been for some time. Before endless 10/10s it was all 9/10s. It’s just score inflation, and there’s nowhere left for them to go. And as journalists and developers realize that they’re all thinking “Hell, might as well give it a 10 for maximum access”.
Movie reviews are like that now too, with any film getting less than 90 being seen as subpar in some way.
I was obsessed with this game. To me it was super fun, was unique, the gunplay rocked, great characters, had an awesome progression system and I enjoyed the mystery of the narrative.
I did find the end fell flat a little bit. I personally think Arkane smashed this out the park and it's overall bloody brilliant.
Had very little bugs and the ones I saw were very minor- enemies stuck walking into a wall for example or getting seen when not in line of sight.
I dont think that the AI is meant to be smart - I found the challenge was in solving the loop and the broader puzzles of each level rather than the individual enemies. AI have small cones of vision, they're easy to take down, it feels good to stealth them but also to blast hordes of them.
I agree I thought the loop would be harder and more on me to solve. I did think the loop would be a giant puzzle and wouldnt hold hands as much which was a downer. I thought at least it gave enough options to let you follow whatever path interested you the most.
Shame you had so many tech issues when I had hardly any. Deathloop is hardly perfect but definitely one of my favs this year.
This is 100 percent how I felt about Deathloop as well. Down pat lol.
Imagine someone telling you that your opinion is not real.
Yeah this was my experience with the game as well (PC). I thoroughly enjoyed it and it's my favorite game of the year so far. Throughout the whole game I had one hard crash that where I lost a lot of progress, but I am maybe in the minority. I had my problems with the game (example being the unbalanced multiplayer if a colt is just starting out) and I don't think its a masterpiece, but I think it's close. The more I explored and uncovered, the more I just fell in love with the game and its characters, specifically the main 2. I don't agree with Luke here, and him saying that after 5 hours you've seen everything each of the maps have to offer? That's completely not true, because the maps do change, the places enter change, and the things you can discover change. It makes me believe that he didn't really explore the maps much. But anyway, I loved this game and I can understand the rave reviews.
@@breadordecide your opinion is not real
This game made me insane because i really couldn't see why everyone was losing their mind over it ...
I see what you did there
Honestly, I think because of that I’m having trouble getting into the game and enjoying it, I just don’t enjoy it that much but maybe it’s not for me
It scratches the immersive sim itch
Me with BOTW
I tried 4 separate times to get into this game after I paid full price because of these mockingbird media critics. During two months I tried so many different times to get into it and I just fucking couldn’t. Everything about this game is garbage. Then when I went to sell it on eBay it was already half off. I only got 35$ !! The game now can be bought for 26 bucks.
I played a lot as Julianna, as soon as you get invisibility with the perk where you don't spend your energy when not moving, that's a game changer, i would always try to kill Colt with Melee that was really fun, after two deaths you could see how some Colt players started being afraid of losing progress :D And also you can have a OP shotgun with her too and just use Havoc and Shift to Faceroll Colt ;)
That the wait time as Julianna would increase overtime was clear to me from the start, because there is no real incentive to keep playing as Colt when you finished the game once. But the idea still was nice and fun while it lasted, i mean the game is still a single player in its core.
It's not a Masterpiece but it's not a bad game too. Yes, the AI is stupid but so were they in Dishonored 1-2, i don't think they made any chances here.
The lack of enemy variety adds a lot to the tedium of fighting enemies. It is easier to fight 12 different dumb enemies than 12 copies of the same dumb enemy.
No way. Dishonored enemies use sword feints, trigger alarms, 40/40 vision at the hardest difficulty, have dogs that smell in an area around them, tall boys with view from high ground, clockworks have eyes at the back of their heads,… It’s absolutely impossible to remotely compare deathloop to these
I think down pat is a metaphor to something like a carpet that is laid out perfectly flat (or down pat) with no visible wrinkles or bumps in the carpet (aka no bugs or glitches in this scenario).
I came straight to the comments because I already knew it would be the top comment
Yeah like consistency and repeatedly.
I think it actually means down pattern as in the same as.on the pattern from which something is being made.
The idiom means “well memorized”.
There’s debate over the origin of the idiom, but I believe it refers to poker with a “pat hand”. An answer I found that sums it up well better than I could:
“Every poker player knows that feeling when one is dealt a pat hand: you glance at the 5 diamonds you've been dealt, and it makes a vivid impression. You don't need to glance at it again and again to verify what you have: you have it down pat. Of course, amateur poker players give themselves away by behaving differently when they have one kind of hand versus another. They look at it too often, or not often enough. They lay it down in front of them instead of holding it, etc. (Poker players call these "tells," characteristic behaviors that give away a hand's strength.) Naturally, an advanced poker player will strive to eliminate tells, or skillfully plant false tells to deceive. One way to reach a behavioral consistency is to spend the same amount of time examining your cards each time, regardless of its content.”
So in a sense, you have your cards memorized down pat and don’t have to give yourself away.
@@TwoBs ^this
The irony of someone describing a flawed game while comparing it to Detroit: Become Human which he implies is a "masterpiece" is just staggering.
Top marks for comedy, stranger.
Top marks.
I am really hoping that was in jest, but also a bit afraid of what he had to say about the latest David Cage Shower & Rape Simulator
When I see gaming press give a game 100 I immediately disregard the game in question and find something else
You must be fun at parties.
@@breadordecide you don't get to go to parties
@@Jacaerys4life I carry the burden on my shoulders of making everyone else's life as miserable as possible
Yeah, if it’s hyped you know it’s lacking.
@@doctorlolchicken7478 Which is getting me very worried about bf 2042...
I felt a weird marketing push to make this game look better than it was from RUclipsrs very very close to its release. Was that just me?
Yeah I second this
Tin foil hat time? You mean marketing wants a game to look good? OMG CALL THE PRESIDENT!
You are bang on
@@breadordecide naivety isn't a cool look.
@@breadordecide Because there have never been any issues with marketing for a game in the history of gaming...
My biggest confusion about this, is that Deathloop got a 10/10 when it feels objectively inferior than even other Arkane games. Like prey or Dishonored
Dishonored is soo good
It's the game equivalent to Leonardo DiCaprio getting an Oscar for The Revenant, when he had several much better performances way before that.
"objectively" haha
@@kevinpawlowski5723 Both Prey and Dishonored achieves what Deathloop tries, better than it does
@@TheCocomunges objectively
A low 8/10 for me,. Probably the worst of Arkane's latest games, which should tell you how much I enjoy them. One thing that really made me sad was that I heard the enemies would learn from your playstyle and change things up accordingly. Surprise, that didn't happen..
A low 8/10? An 8/10 is pretty good
@@Ezio12376 i mean it's on the lower end of 8, if I were to score up to 100 it would be like 75-80
@@AzulaOTP still pretty high.
@@theincrediblefella7984 high for who? Not for me, it's my opinion lol
@@AzulaOTP that is a high score tho
If Luke Stephens says so…. I will take the opinion seriously because he has earned our trust on game’s critiques. Keep up the good work!!!
Agreed
He gained my trust on western games but not so much at the rpg and hack and slash and platfomers and metroidvanias but anything western i take it seriously
I mean, also think for yourself.
I think it’s a great game. I wouldn’t say masterpiece but gaming is subjective and if some people think that that’s totally fine and equally as valid. Just as I saw God of War recently get voted best game of all time. I loved God of War. But of all time? I don’t even think it would make my top 10 if we’re looking at all time. Everyone’s different. I could not get into Hades whatsoever, but people seem to love that game and call it a masterpiece. People’s opinions will be all over the place when it comes to the entertainment they like and you’ll never be able to say what is and is not a masterpiece to someone else.
What I do praise the game for especially is offering something more unique in the sea of shooters, open world games, or cinematic over the shoulder third person shooters with light rpg and stealth elements that we get by the truckload usually. I liked many things about Deathloop but this is why it and a game like Returnal stood out for me more than others this year. So I can get why people would also look at that and add more value to it. Also it wasn’t overly difficult and looked visually great so insert game journalist joke here. As far as the bugs you’re relaying though, I experienced none of these on PS5. And I did play it at launch. So it’s definitely a mileage may vary kind of think I guess. The game ran surprisingly solid at release for me. And as far as the idiot npc’s, I think with the one difficulty especially, npc combat was meant to be secondary in Deathloop. It’s not a shooter. And the primary goal is figuring out the loop. If the combat was difficult it would have a much less wide appeal. I thought it was intentional for this reason but I could be wrong.
In playstation i think cinematic third person games are starting to burn me out, atleast deathloop was slightly different
@@Neilos-sd6ti all your points are incredibly stupid
@@micshazam842 yup they are
I grabbed up Deathloop when it first went on sale for $30 like 4-5 days ago, and I've thoroughly enjoyed it... it's definitely not perfect, and I wouldn't be as happy with my purchase if I paid $60.
I'd say a solid 8/10, based entirely off of how I feel about it right now.
8's fair. It's about what I was thinking too. I had fun with it but, I'd never play it twice.
15:00 that would actually make it easier for invaders to find matches, since the pool of options would be larger. I think it makes sense that early on, there would be way more people trying to play through the loop rather than invade, so this queue time is likely just broken.
I enjoyed Prey more than Deathloop.
I loved Deathloop personally, but most games got nothing on Prey for me. I freaking love it. I played that game start to finish like 5 times now. I want prey 2 bad.
A much better and complex game than deathloop
Yeah Prey is amazing
It just looks . . . like an Arkane game. That's it. Not an incredible one, not a terrible one. And my specs are still too jank to even play it so that's how it's staying
Honestly lol the gameplay just looks like wack far cry mixed with bioshock
It's strange because I recently replayed dishonored 2 and it's dlc. The style and design is amazing. I can't really say the same about deathloop and I am a massive Arkane shill.
The gameplay is like nothing else and should not be reviewed based simply on one's expectations of what a good game should be like. The reviewer seem to list strong point of the game as "issues". For example overlooking the strategy part of the game completely. It is a pain to imagine someone going through maps one by one shooting everything and looking for powerful guns, just to find out that a lack of basic strategy will result in having to repeat more of the same areas again and again. Or even worse - going through locations following one single lead at a time. Part of "Core Gameplay" that affects your experience going through locations, is what is happening in the game menu, figuring out how to use the unusual rules of the games to your advantage. Following ALL leads at the SAME time in EACH location in the most practical way is what make your experience interesting and not repetitive at all. This game is extremely smart and thought through to a little detail and it is a pity when it flies over the head of someone who is used to compare everything with basic linear shooters. After the morning of the 2nd day I had 4 slabs, 3 unique weapons, all infused, many trinkets and completed 2 of the visionary leads and had a huge progress on 2 others. Not to repeat mindlessly same locations over and over is sort of the point. Having to repeat is in fact a punishment for dying. it makes you plan your steps carefully in the menu and in a location. It is not an immersive sim, not an exploration, not a puzzle, not an open world, not a linear shooter, not a strategy and not a card game. It has elements of all, very well interwoven together and each element is developed just good enough to make the entire game shine on many different levels
They should have marketed the game differently then. Don't say "play your way" if the way a player wants to play the game is unrewarding. Unless the gameplay and story are connected together (a great example being the chaos system in Dishonored 1) the way a player plays a game should not be unrewarding when the game asks you to play it in any way you please. If Deathloop was a straight up action game or a straight up stealth game, then the player can't be mad at the game for being unrewarding when they play the game the wrong way.
There's a reason Arkane games are praised by critics and it's because they're the few studios that prioritise gameplay over aesthetics. Their level design is incredible and the sheer depth to the gameplay makes it far more interesting than playing carbon copies of the same formula. In a world where Ubisoft exists, this game is a breath of fresh air.
It’s dishonored with guns. Nothing fresh about it.
@@AvaaSlays_Swiftie 2 things; Dishonored is made by Arkane as well, which means they are not being derivative, just honing their own craft. Second, there ARE guns in Dishonored. But you strike me as someone who has a lot of shit to say about games they haven't played...
@@lepepelepub12 Have you EVER played an Arkane game? The gameplay is exactly what makes them so good. Deathloop's narrative is barely fornt and centre through out the game. It's the gameplay that makes this game so good. Remove the story and you still have the same experience. Not sure we're talking about the same game here...
game is shallow though. The time loop is a novelty that doesn’t affect much, and the game railroads you into theone way of doing it right. There is no connecting the pieces here, just follow what the game tells you
@@BsERoss You criticized other companies for reusing the same formula for games. Then praise Arkane for basically remaking Dishonored? Double standards much...
I was disappointed by how "linear" the game was, there really isn't any unique ways to kill the visionaries. There's only one way for you to kill every visionary in one day. You can't hack a turret on a path that you know a visionary takes everyday. At the end of the day you just have to interact with a few items until everyone is hanging out with each other and take them out with a sniper or something.
That's a long-read, but I promise it's worth it both if you agree with Luke and if you don't. (re-posting because for some reason other people can't see it)
1) Techincal state of the game:
- You're exaggerating about the perfomance and the technical state of the game. The game runs great after a few patches and the first full update (at the release Digital Foundry had only found a few things which were already fixed at this point). Both on PC and PS5. The crashes (which were present earlier) are almost non-existent now. And even when they happened, they only regressed your progress to the beginning of the level (which is not good, but not as dramatic, as you've stated). There are few bugs at the moment: mainly UI elements can hover over each other or enemies can start swinging their arms like crazy (both are harmless and pretty rare - I've never had those, but some people did).
- Your menu bug couldn't have been caused by the game reconnecting to the servers. Because in your example, the player is mid-mission and you can only get softlocked mid-mission (otherwise, you'd just restart the game). When you open one of the menus mid-mission, the game doesn't try to reconnect to the server. The game might do so whenever there's a problem with your connection, but the notification would appear telling you that.
- You clearly are unfamiliar with the review process. People like Digital Foundry and some other big publications give their feedback to developers right when they have a chance to do so. And most of the time developers answer saying things like "We are aware of the issue, it's going to be fixed with day-1 patch" or something like that. The reason they say it is because developers start making patches right after the game goes gold. It happens because some games have to have specific release dates and can't be delayed even more (this one was already delayed twice due to covid).
2) AI:
- AI in games is not supposed to be human-like. The purpose of the AI is to support developer's intention with what the game is supposed to be (and varous aspects of the game). AI here probably bugged out at times because of how complex the systems and level design are (your claim about the levels being designed around that stupidity is ridiculous). And AI paths were also adressed in the latest "Game Update 1", which really seemed to have fixed some of the moments when enemies just stood at one place.
- You may call enemies in Deathloop inconsistent at times but not stupid because some of the things this AI is possible to do is much better than in some other games with widely-acceptedly good AI. First, their movement - they can vault higher than in most games, they can climb through windows and they can drop down if they know you are downstairs. Second, detection - they can detect you through holes, incomplete stairs (Frank's mansion as an example), but only if you're close enough and in their line of sight + you can see their icon fill up just like in Dishonored. They also throw bottles if they are far from you or unable to reach you. And sometimes even nades. For why their cones of vision are so narrow - that's intentional and made so that you don't get frustrated when detected unfairly. All systems have to tie into the loop mechanic here, so does the AI. You are meant to kill enemies over and over. They are very lethal and there's a limited amount of them on the map, so you'll really get frustrated having to loop back to morning after death because of the eternalists (whilst you have a stronger threat - online Julianna). And you can see a clear difference between AI of eternalists and AI of visionaries who, except Aleksis, don't have masks and have wider cones of vision.
- Enemies have good memory it just depends on the type of encounter. If they've spotted you once just a bit, they won't care because otherwise it would be unfair to the player (that's not the stealth game first and foremost, though there are strong elements of it (and stealth game have mostly same detection-level systems) - but you can't have deep stealth systems with loud guns). If they've clearly seen you, they'll try to investigate, but will give up once they don't find anything (and they even say things like "I hope it's not Colt" or "That's time wasted" because they both are kinda afraid of Colt as he was security officer on Blackreed and they've come to the island for the opportunity of eternal life and not for the opportunity to stand at one place guarding it). If their icon became yellow -> red, they'll start shooting, yelling and calling for reinforcements. After this state of awareness of the player, they will try to find Colt and they might visit places you wouldn't even expect them being able to. They can be in this state for a long time.
- There's also a dynamic system that makes enemies more lethal and aware of you whenever you kill visionaries throughout the day. Plus some of the eternalists get drunk already by noon (and even more later in the day). And you can clearly see them being drunk and why they are so clueless.
- In one sentence you've said it is a stealth game. And in the other you said that "stupid" AI might have been made this way because developers knew that the player would be the first to encounter enemies. But stealth games are no DOOM, where there are hordes of enemies once you enter a certain area who are already trying to kill you. In stealth game (though stealth is an option in Deathloop, it's not the main focus) you can observe enemy behaviour from the outside so why exactly would developers cut down on AI if it's a stealth game?
3) The Loop:
- Maps aren't huge. So what? Map size doesn't matter a damn thing as long as it's design is bad and you spend too much time just travelling (unless that's the point of a game). Maps in Deathloop are even denser than in Dishonored 2 and Dishonored DOTO. Deathloop is a masterclass in level-design. Check out something like Cyberpunk level-designer streams on Deathloop where he analyses it if you're unfamiliar with what makes a great level-design.
- Repetition is literally the idea of Deathloop. You are meant to learn these maps (even though by the end of the game there might still be areas you haven't explored). That's where great level-design comes. One of the reasons they made a time-looped game after Dishonored series is because players didn't explore maps of Dishonored deep enough. So one of the obvious decisions is to make better replayability in first playthrough and not to make players play though the whole game once again to experience all it's parts.
- "the maps don't change from morning, noon, afternoon, evening" - that's simply ridiculous. Yes, you don't get completely new maps once you visit them at a different time of day. BUT. There are drastic changes: some areas close and open, visionaries are present at certain times and therefore their areas are either open or not, some things open or change after you complete series of actions, artistically the surroundings and environments change a lot and you can easily track how eternalists ruin something throughout the day. Placement of enemies changes drastically and slightly depending on the locations. Sometimes it wouldn't make sense if enemies moved from a certain space to the other.
- Developers certainly allowed for the player to have a go-to route. Because they knew it would be repetitive by the nature of having to play the same map. And different people have different go-to routes. And level-design had to account for different players being able to clearly read paths. You just can't accomplish such level-design with huge maps. At least not when you have limited resources (remember that Arkane is no Rockstar in terms of budgets and lead times). I'd say more - some of the routes were specifically designed to be accessible during first hours with the game and to be efficient in later periods of it.
- Replayability in non timeloop-themed games is something that not many people experience. And why would you even want a replayability factor in a game that has replayability within itself? Go play as Julianna, experience these levels in different ways. Because real players can change the way you play so much, that navigating around familiar areas would be even more fun.
- Campaign Director of the game already talked about the game having one final loop. They had budget and they could not affor to spend more (i'm guessing a lot more) resources on allowing player to have different ways to end a final loop. That would require scrapping everything they've made or having it be considerend in the beginning of the development with rewrites of the story, characters, systems, structure (but still only having access to much higher budgets and lead times). So they chose the best and most pleasing way of ending a final loop and made it the only way to do so. But the game is not that hand-holdy. It offers next objectives for people who are overwhelmed by game's systems (probably most casual player). The game never just tells you what to do next without you having found a related information that is needed to progress earlier (so it's your fault if you missed it and followed what the game suggested afterwards). Instead of making you write it down in notepad, it just gives notifications. But if you're attentive enough, you wouldn't consider this to be handholdy. If you've played the game certain way and didn't experience other ways doesn't mean your way is the only way. And also, Dishonored games were structurally very linear. And what's bad about them being linear, huh? Btw, you have options to approach this game with no handholding at all. Turn off markers and don't use leads.
Continued in the comment below...
Some other stuff to point out:
- Instead of concentrating on media's perception of the game, review the game... Firstly, the ones who gave the game a perfect rating have given their reasonings for why they rated the game at 10. It's the case with every review. Journalists don't just post their rating without the review. Open metacritic and open each review. Secondly, you didn't justify your claim about them not giving a reasoning for their 10s. You've just stated that they didn't. While in reality they did.
- Writing messages on the screen instead of re-recording this bit is not a good decision. A lot of people turn videos on background or just listen to them while multitasking.
- You can't say there wasn't a priority during development to make something good and nobody tried. You don't know that and you can't state things like that as a reviewer.
- Yes, you could pick an item through glass. It's obviously a bug and you treat it like it's an inconsistent game mechanic. They might've missed it because reinforced glass is mostly only present in bunkers, and you found the exact one, where an item was right behind the reinforced glass. No one has probably even tried to take it during playtesting or it just broke at some point later in the development.
- Matches don't get that much time to be found. 3-5 mins maximum unless you're playing a beta-patch. Or there might have been an issue with finding players on PS5 for you. At least on PC it was never that huge of an issue. But my 1-3 minutes on average are still kinda long, yeah. And you don't need to grind as Julianna. You get experience points for everything (eliminating Colt, being on the map for some time, completing some invasion achievements) and the gear you get is kinda random (though you get 1-2 high tier items per leveling). And in one year the game will come to Xbox (presumably gamepass), so there will be quite a bunch of new players and maybe some special content for the platform (just because Bethesda is part of Microsoft now). And it seems like Arkane are going to support the game for some time + possible DLC.
- "The quality of the gameplay, EnViRoNmEnT DeSiGn and how broken it is, all contribute to a really low enjoyment of this mode" - poor quality of environment deisgn? No comments.
- "It's half of what the game has to offer because it takes half of the screen space in the main menu" - no connection there.
- It was kinda advertised as puzzle. But more of a puzzle for Colt. And puzzles don't have non-linear ways to solve them. You can do some puzzles in different order, but in the end you'll have to do same things anyway. But this exact timeloop concept doesn't really allow for players to have a lot of ways to mix visionaries. Because visionaries don't retain their memory and therefore would repeat same things every day unless Colt interferes. But Colt can't completely manipulate them, because these visionaries have relationships and they are written in such a way as to be characters in the story and not the dummies Colt has complete control over.
Some of my takes did not survive RUclips filtration for some reason, but here you go.
Jesus Christ.
The bighest thing I feel this game took from dishonored and made it better is how if you break stealth, because of the loop, you don't need to bother about quick loading
Most the RUclipsrs I've looked at have said "Yeah its fine" or "I really don't like it"
Only the journalists (IGN, Gamespot ect) have been saying that it's a 10/10 amazing but I just dont see it
Plenty of people in the comments like the game. Stop watching dummies on youtube.
@@breadordecide These "Dummies" you are referring to make 20+min videos breaking down and justifying why they dont like the game.
Giving an opinion AND comprehensively justifying it is the opposite of dumb🤦♂️
@@breadordecide I mean most people dont place it at 10/10, its at best an 8/10. And in all honesty compared to its genre its a solid 5/10.
@@breadordecide it seems like you're confusing opinions and arguments. It sounds like you enjoy the game, and I can think of a number of good reasons why you would. However, there are people that don't think it's a 10/10 or don't care for the game much at all. Their take is as valid as yours and I don't think criticizing them for taking the time to explain their opinion is useful.
@@magnuserror9305 for me it's in the 6-7 range. It just feels so janky and the technical issues with crashes are still a problem for me.
I think it CAN be something unique and special if you play it that way, but you absolutely don't have to and there are times when the game itself forces you to play it in a fairly bog standard manner.
I don't get the praise for it. If the moment to moment gameplay was awesome, this would be a different discussion. It's not though, so here we are.
Honestly really feel like the Julianna queue times are so long simply because the majority of players playing Colt simply don't want to fight another player online so they just keep it off and fight the AI Julianna. I have it that way just cause I don't enjoy multi-player games. It makes Julianna far to easy a lot of the time but still prefer that to another person. It probably has some to do with players not wanting to play as Julianna but really think it's simply players wanting to play as Colt offline.
I just finished it, Dishonored 2 is one of my favorite games.. and this, while you could feel it’s roots, was a faster paced watered down version of that. Even when I finally figured out how the game was flowing, it didn’t really hit a good stride until right up when it ended. The concept was there though.
Bought this game based on reviews alone and I keep finding genuine issues with its design every time I play.
For example?
Recently discovered this channel, I feel like I've been living under a rock. There aren't many trustworthy gaming journalists out there these days, your content has been so refreshing, you should have 10x the amount of subs you currently have.
He steals people’s videos and says nothing of value what’s wrong with you
I think the game is great
I’ll place my bias up front, I’m a big fan of arkane games and have been since dishonored 1, which I believe to be a masterpiece, and I believe all of the arkane games to be classics in their own right
Also I must say I’ve never had a pc and have always played these games on console, which is worth noting
So now I’ll say this
I feel like arkanes approach to death loop was “let’s fix one problem and replace it with another”
So they do this in multiple different ways
A great example of fixing a problem and replacing it with another is the power system
In other arkane games you had a abundance of powers but if you wanted to use these powers you would have to go into a menu that was slow then select it before using said power (and I know you can bind powers to keys on pc but as said earlier I never had that luxury)
In death loop you only have 2 powers but swapping between them Is quick and at the press of a button
Again it’s a give and take system but honestly I prefer this system
Also mana just regenerates constantly which is just a plain great change in my opinion
Another example of this fix one problem and replace it with another is the maps
He spoke about it in the vid but yea, the maps themselves are great and at least on par with other arkane maps but they simply don’t change much over the different times of day, when compared the dishonored games. And nothing compares to preys game design imo
Finally and the big complaint with this game is the ai
I really don’t even know how the ai is so bad considering they have made previous game with better ai imo, I can’t even defend it really. It’s not a game killer for me, and I particularly find the dumb ai to be fun in ways just like in the hitman games, but there is very little challenge. Part of me thinks that the ai was intentionally bad to make you feel bad ass but over time you’ll just become a badass which makes you realize just how bad the ai is
and my final complaint is the fact that there is like one optional way to get through the game and beat it, and it’s simply told to you after you beat all the story missions
It would be one thing if you had to discover the 1 way to beat the game on your own but they don’t do it
And I was hoping you could find multiple different ways to kill all targets in one loop but they don’t go that route which is disappointing
Also I won’t even speak on the multiplayer, it takes too long to get into a game, and it’s fairly boring. Probably the worst part of the game but you can literally ignore it like you ignore spec ops in mw, like why even waste the effort
Those are my major complaints so now I’ll list the pros of this game really quickly
-genuinely good gun play, not just compared to other arkane games but all games in general
- great characters, and a satisfying but predictable story
-best puzzles in a arkane game but that’s not to say they are amazing, just good
- the detective work is awesome imo, even if it is laid out in front of you
-the guns are pretty cool/unique and gun perk system is fun and adds some replay ability to the game
- I know I already mentioned characters but imma just say again that colt and Juliana are fantastic characters with great dialogue, and so are the targets you have to kill
Ok long comment is over but I genuinely do love this game
I hate to put scores on games but if I had to I’d say 9/10
It’s just as good as arkanes other games in my opinion, better in some areas, worse in others but taken as a whole I’d say it’s just as great as their other games
Have a good day
Apparently the phrase "down pat" has a pretty obscure origin. I've found nothing much other than speculation about where it comes from. Lots of it looks to be well researched speculation, but nothing looks definitive to me. It's been in use for a pretty long time though.
Playing as Julianna wasn’t bad for me. It’s P2P and matchmaking didn’t take more than a minute and usually I didn’t just gun at colt. I’d sit and wait for a bit to pinpoint where they are.
Bad reviewers always favor games where the difficulty is low and you can get a good feel for the game quickly. Because they can play through the game quickly. Plus they are much more in favor of concepts rather than gameplay, because bad reviewers are more journalists than gamers. It’s just an easy job for them.
Dark Souls, for example, got bad reviews because there’s no obvious story and it’s difficult.
I think the AI criticism is one that I’ve heard a lot, but it’s important to keep in mind that this isn’t a FPS title like a Call of Duty campaign. We aren’t expecting the challenge of the game to come from the 1:1 shooting, dodging, and detection of and from these enemies in the same way that they’re critical to making a good FPS title. Instead, the challenge here is accomplishing that one perfect loop. If your entire run could break down because of overly aggressive or omniscient enemies, the game would be frustrating and you KNOW that would be a criticism leveled against it. See: Returnal as an example of a game where every enemy is lethal and is all over you, and can end your run.
Additionally, the AI is “stupid” at the start, but the more Visionaries (named enemies) that you kill in a single loop, the more you cause loop destabilization which causes the AI to become more intelligent and aggressive. That’s where the “perfect loop” comes into play as that’s what they’re trying to prevent you from doing. These aren’t military soldiers that we’re fighting. They’re researchers and assistants. They’re bored out of their minds, repeating the same day over and over and literally jumping off of cliffs, getting shot out of cannons, ingesting poison, and all sorts of other methods of killing THEMSELVES just for something to do. Expecting them to react in the same highly trained militant way just doesn’t fit the story that they’re trying to tell.
I think the solution here is to offer a higher difficulty toggle, where the enemies have increased fields of vision, longer memories, and are more aggressive… for those that want it. But the *real* difficulty in this game comes from both a) discovering the single solution that will allow you to break the loop, and b) **HUMAN** players invading your world as Julianna, that are as unpredictable as you are. They can put an end to your run with ease and come geared up and ready to do exactly that - in fact, that’s their ONLY purpose in this multiplayer feature portion of the game.
So when people talk about the bad or dumb AI of Deathloop, I wonder if they’re talking about the drunk, high, suicidal paper pushers on the average day, or the loop destabilization putting them on high alert and causing them to fight like hell to preserve it, in addition to the human Julianna players invading your world to put an end to it.
You know most people would suggest you disregard the story if it starts to handicap the gameplay.
It’s a solid B grade game, I enjoyed it
Honestly maybe I’m my own worst enemy making it less fun because I found myself not knowing how to proceed. So I got super unmotivated to continue playing. I’m pretty sure I’m over looking something but who knows.
I could probably help. What part are you at?
f grade
The very first second I went into a loop with online a Juliana invaded and camped Harriet, she couldn’t get me with the poison pistol, but she turned invisible with a shotgun.
Finally some honesty. I really feel like the media loves the way this game looks. Not how it plays. Just the optics
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@@s0lid_sno0ks I mean....yea lol that's the culture rn. White...is just not alright lol everything else is overly praised. I'm black but it dont enjoy politics killing art
what's the issue how it plays?
@@armyofray8096 when reviewing the game almost none of the journalists praised the game for having two black leads and having a black game director (saying almost because few I didn't read might actually have). That's something people in comments and on forums made up because apparently gamergate is still a thing... If you actually read the reviews you'll see the reasoning for why it gets all the praise.
@@armyofray8096 So did I just imagine Dune getting praised even with a white lead? Or last of us 2 with two white leads getting game of the year. This victim mentality doesnt work when its coming from the oppressor.
People need to play Prey
That was a "masterpiece"
Seconded
Masterpiece indeed, going through that game was a blast
THIS. Also, Mooncrash.
I just think most people don’t know how to play immersive sims
@@donniedewitt9878 You know what, you may be onto something. When everything with gaming is rush go go quick hurry haste it's hard for people to sit down be immersed and be told a story.
another great game that uses time looping in a great way is the Outer Wilds. Amazing game, would recommend everyone to try it out
Luke probably think its overrated too.
Playing this game I felt really weird, since almost everywhere I looked online everyone was complaining about bugs. But through my entire two playthroughs, I never had a single crash, softlock or even noticeable bug. Absolutely no clue how, since I got it day one but I can't pretend they didn't happen even if I miraculously didn't experience any of it on my PC.
My biggest issue was the linear nature of it, along with the encode situation. Whilst I really had fun playing the game, figuring out interesting ways to kill people I was more intrigued by the PvP then anything. And then it turned out absolutely terrible, playing online on either side was a buggy mess with very few registrating shots and after the first day where everyone had online on it became practically impossible to get into anyone's game, and if you had it on you'd be infinitely invaded which got stale quickly.
Over all I really enjoyed the game, but the PvP situation was a massive let down and Dishonored (1 & 2, unsure about DotO since they removed a core feature) are significantly better story and stealth games. I'd consider revisiting it, but unless they added more routes to an end I doubt I'd go back besides for tossing people around at high velocity.
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Leonardo DiCaprio? Did you mean Da Vinci? The only reason this quote confuses me is that DiCaprio doesn’t “make” masterpieces, he only stars or preforms in them. Plus, while I love DiCaprio as much as the next guy, I can think of quite a few below average movies he’s been in.
Bold of you to assume Luke knows who Da Vinci is
Any actor inevitably "makes" their own performance, and being an actor is just as much a part of making a masterpiece movie as a writer or director. You're trying to sound smart but failing miserably so you should just never comment on anything ever again and save literally anyone from having to explain things to you as if you are a small child.
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 being an actor is like a hammer. You're a tool, and can either be a very good one or a not so good one. You don't make it. And all your criticism applies exactly to you
Literally not what I meant at all. Never said an actor can’t have a masterful performance, they most certainly can. All I meant was that actors aren’t usually associated with the creative and narrative process of the overall movie. That credit usually goes to the writer or director. An actor can give a great performance and the movie can still be bad, same with vice versa. I am in no way questioning Luke’s intelligence or “trying to sound smart” as you put it. I love Luke and his videos. Been following him for years which is why I’m watching this video now. I just wondered if this is what Luke had meant or if it was a slip up because if you say it out loud, Leonardo DiCaprio and Da Vinci both sound pretty similar and is a slip up people sometimes make. I know I have before. It’s funny you point out how I “try to sound smart” but resort to condescendingly talk down to others as being a “small child” in an effort to assert your dominance in a conversation that was never hostile to begin with.
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 your epidermis is showing
“This issue was patched, proving it was an issue” is not an argument point.
If the reviews are predicated on that release version of the game, then yes it is.
The is’t a masterpiece but it’s the most fun I’ve had in a while (possibly by the fact that I’m a destiny 2 player so life is pain) the games fun but I could see why a lot of people wouldn’t like it for me it’s a 8/10 but I hope they add harder difficulties and improve some stuff in the dlc if it comes out. Also as a destiny player I have mastered the art of looking past major flaws.
Deathloop is a solid 6/10 for me. The weapons, powers and upgrades, all pretty neat. That is about it. The story got boring after a while and I felt misled, thinking it would be like hitman where I can do this my way, but in actuality, you really have no freedom. I played it single player with an A.I. Juliana and oh my god, this game has some of the worse A.I. those traps you can setup with the trapper charge, no idea if theyre good because I could never get the A.I. to take the bait of pursuing me once I barge into a room and mag dump an smg into a guy or two.
The world has some neat side content, but thats about the only real positive thing I got for the story.
You know something is wrong when Deathloop isn't even the best deathloop game this year
Which is?
ye tell us
@@romanromanchuk7718 I'm guessing 12 minutes
returnal?
@@daystranger Luke refers to 12 Minutes and The Forgotten City (26:50) as games where u feel like u solved the mystery, or how to progress, in comparison to Deathloops handholding. I agree personally, but I dont know if it makes it a bad game. Luke isnt saying its a BAD game though, to be fair. Just not a 10/10 masterpiece.
I don’t know why but I was genuinely so dissatisfied with this game. It was such a resident sleeper. Although I only played 2 hours because steam refunds don’t allow for more so if a game is so boring in its first 1 hour and it cost more than 14$ I’m refunding it at an 1.5 hours of playtime.
I'm glad you did this video. None of my friends have played it and I was sitting here without even finishing the game because I got bored and thinking I was missing something. I wasn't impressed.
You did miss something. Play the game. This guy doesn't know shit
The game is shit.
Up patrol, and down patrol. Think of it like walking up a hill and back down a hill.. Up patrol you're at the beginning of a patrol, down patrol is the second half on your way back. Down patrol is easier as you already know the layout and it's easier because you know your patrol is about to be over.
I work 9+ hours a day at a desk and have been binging your content. I just want to ask how in the hell you are not one of the most popular video game critics on RUclips, the effort and thought that goes into your videos is insane.
That's an understatement. The Outer Worlds is a game that's not a masterpiece, but it's still fun. It's what you want in an RPG. Deathloop is definitely not as good as Dishonored, not by a long shot
I dig the style and overall gameplay of deathloop but I fell off it for the past few weeks because I’m really into Death Stranding Directors Cut right now.
Death stranding lol 😂
Fun fact about the guitarist in Karl's Bay, his playing gets better throughout the day if you don't kill him.
As some one who wrote this game off before release and then actually played and beat it, I found this game very fun and well done. Not a 9 or 10, but a good game.
I wonder how you feel about the Hitman series. You essentially play on 5-6 maps (each title) that can be competed relatively easy unless you try to complete challenges for each. A 6hr game is turned into a 50-70 challenge box. Deathloop should have created challenges reflected in in-game menus instead of relegating them trophy/achievement hunts.
Edit: After reading some of the comments, it's clear some people just came hear to "hate" on the game for obvious "reasons". 😬😬😬😰
This fucking you tube,twitter culture is problematic.... Something not my taste; lets fuck it hate it for no reason...i do not like this game,not my thing but hating for no reason is stupid
@@amimim69 Exactly. If you hate it, move on. Lol I don't like Metroid Dread, so I just gave it back to my girlfriend and moved on. But negativity sales or confirmation bias...whatever fits with the context lol
It’s 39.99 now. I might try it out since it’s on sale for the holiday season. No way I was paying 59.99!
I do think it's worth that sale price. How's your experience been?
@@Nuclearburrit0 I just got it today as of this reply for 29.99! I figured it’s not too bad at that price.
@@juniorlifter369 that’s excellent!
Yeah, it’s no masterpiece. But I enjoyed it and I really wanted to support Arkane because they don’t get enough love.
They don't get enough love because of people like Luke who are giving their shallow reviews even after a month after the release, during a time frame when the game got both updated several times and analysed by more reliable reviewers and people of the same industry.
I have already supported them enough by purchasing dishonored 2 and prey 2017 twice ( 1st time on my ps4 and 2nd time on PC). After knowing that their next upcoming titles are just your standard 3rd person coop games thats when i loose interest in their studio. We probably wont get similar entries like prey and dishonored 5 years from now.
@@lapsedilationdrive3943 that's nonsense. Arkane Austin have only announced Redfall, which indeed is a single-player/co-op story game, but it is a classic Arkane Immersive Sim FPS and not the type of co-op game you're thinking about. Arkane Lyon haven't even announced their next project after Deathloop, so your information is incorrect here, bud.
@@andreymagnuss how do you know that a single player co op shooter can blend well with the immersive sim genre? When im talking about classic arkane IS, im refering to prey and dishonored. None of the screenshots provided resemble anything that makes those games unique and interesting to play with. Of course its too early for me to judge considering redfall was recently announced and they are no gameplay footage yet. But the fact that they seem to focus more on the co op aspect rather than PURE single player elements already made me pessimistic. Deathloop doesnt even hold the candle to any of previous arkane games so im not sure how will their future games goes from here.
Of course this is only just my opinion and you are also a fan of arkane if you find their upcoming titles interesting then more power to you. For me personally, as usual im gonma wait for reviews to come out first before making any purchase.
Wolfenstein young blood also features both single player and co op elements and look how it turned out.
@@lapsedilationdrive3943 Arkane Lyon were only helping with Level Design and art on Youngblood. So all the gameplay and narrative failures of Youngblood are on Machine Games.
Leaked screenshots of Redfall don't look that much promising because these are from early tests of the game. And it's still very difficult to organise sessions to test games during Covid, so many things that could be there in the end, were just not here yet due to implementation stages and importance of some elements over others during testing (there's a recent talk from Deathloop campaign director about their team structure, and it probably applies to the team in Austin). And I'm sorry, but Arkane Austin, the creators of Prey and Prey Mooncrash wouldn't be able to make a game with shallow systems. And who if not them would be able to design a game that would feel right for both single-player and co-op. Of course some potential goodies could be cut because co-op requires some development resources, but not only Arkane Austin are actively hiring and outsourcing, they are provided help from id software and probably higher budgets from Microsoft.
You have all the reasons to be sceptical right now, but it reminds me of the same situation as with Deathloop, when people were "predicting" that Bethesda ruined Arkane with their incentive of making multiplayer games. And in the end we got a great single-player game with one of the best asymmetric multiplayer experiences.
I also wait for gameplay deep dives and reviews before making a purchasing decision. Same was with Deathloop. But Arkane Studios having specific immsim guidelines, most of the same talented people that worked on previous games and a belief in player agency makes me confident that whatever hides behind this controversial cinematic trailer is at least interesting and unique.
Man, you're speaking my language! Deathloop is the first Arkane game that i completely ignored, and being a gamer for over 30 years now, i'm not at all surprised that my perceptions were spot-on. After watching a couple of your other reviews of games i've already played, i gotta say that you and SkillUp are now my most trusted reviewers in gaming. Keep up the brilliant work!
I got through about 16 minutes of the video before I gave up. I don't think Death Loop is a perfect game but it was a really fucking fun game. The arguments seem like little gripes from what I watched and some examples made me roll my eyes. Also I remember Dishonored as a broken game with a lot of glitches at launch so saying it was very polished is just incorrect.
When u build a snow fort you pat down the snow and creates a very firm piece of snow that is much harder to break apart than fresh snow so my take is it just means that its a feeling of certainty because it is strong
I really enjoyed my time with it.
From my understanding the "dumb" AI is intentional to make the murder puzzle more accessible. I feel like at this point they need update some difficulty options.
If you meant to ask about only the phrase “down pat”, it means “well memorized” (to the point of being able to recite or perform whatever it is without hesitation).
Her daughter is a piano prodigy: she's got all of her scales and arpeggios down pat. I said D-flat Minor, and she whipped it out in about four octaves, like bam! She's smart, too. Next I said C-sharp Minor, and she just said, "Why? I just played it!”
Pat as an adjective means means well-situated or appropriately pre-determined. It also has a noun use that means a volume (of butter) amounting to 1.5 teaspoons. This is why a pat of butter is pre-determined to be about a sufficient volume (1.5 tsp) to butter 1-2 slices of bread.
In modern parlance, a pat answer means one that shows little logic because it is apparently recited from rote (non-analyticical, memorization) learning.
The maps also do change more than you say. Certain areas are closed and open at different times. There’s tons of hidden things that you have to go out of your way to look for.
EXACTLY, but he seemed to just go one route each time, so he probably didn't explore too much
As a fan of arkane studios, it is safe to say that deathloop is their lesser work. It can be a fun time, but not only it is flawed, it doesnt hold a candle to any of their previous games.
That I agree
i returned this after a few weeks, loved the start of the game but eventually the whole day resetting mechanic novelty wore off on me very easy, i loved the idea but it just got naturally frustrating as i got through most of the game. just wasnt my cup of tea and wasn't willing to spend £60 on it
How can you return an opened game after a few weeks?
@@pinkberry50 Was going to ask that too.
@@pinkberry50 buy it used or trade it in and get 30$ back
Ebonics: "Down packed" Not down pat. Down Packed: To possess significance knowledge and comprehension of a process. To have information SET in your head. She has her alphabet down packed.
I think its pretty obvious why the mainstream review sites gave this 10's accross the board.. even blind people could see that..
The rating discussion I think reached a meaningless talking point when it comes to Deathloop.
It's a brilliant, fun, smart game and everyone should play it. Another Arkhane masterpiece.
Deathloop feels to me like one of those "wait to play" games. The bugs are being or have been slightly fixed, and that will continue. The price will drop, and those "1 year later" reviews will drop as well. Honestly, I intend to play the game,which is why I have avoided watching the story behind the game. Personally, $20-30 is what I would buy the game for,and I look forward to playing it on my PS5 once I can actually buy one.
A rational man. Cheers.
It’s on sale for 39 bucks on steam already
This video is basically how I feel about assassin‘s creed odyssey
I loved this game so much. I just want to say thanks for actually giving the game a fair chance and taking the time to play it thoroughly before reviewing it. It really annoyed me to see RUclipsrs trashing the game in reviews just 1-2 days after it's release.
and praising the game after 1-2 days is okay ? its not even that long.
It seems this is all about expectation. Gamers didnt hype Death Loop so how dare reviewers love it. But then when they do hype a game god forbid you say it sucks. Kalli from gamespot got so much crap for saying cyberpunk 2077 was glitchy and a mess. Now everyone suddenly agrees with her. Or metroid dread. Reviews were what fans wanted to hear so they believe them. If you say Dread is a 6 or 7 they will hunt you down and kill you. Gamers are the absolute worst.
@@XxBoneCrackerx you realise journalists get their copies way before the release?
@@XxBoneCrackerx I could be mistaken, but didn't the media reviews go up like a week before release? I'm pretty sure journalists have the games for like a month before they come out. And maybe I missed them, but I watched a good amount of RUclipsr reviews after launch and I didn't see a single one that was praising Deathloop.
@@Nick-kb2jc RUclips seemed to have a knee jerk contrarian attitude toward Death Loop.
I think it's quiet obvious why the game got such high scores..
Alot people ign-ore the cons
May I remind everyone: Mindjack, a 360 era 3rd person shooter had a MP mode, where players took over NPCs in a single player game trying to kill the hero. It was a horrible idea then, and it's a horrible idea now.
Disagree in the case of Deathloop. It’s not just a human infiltrating your game taking over any NPC. They’re taking over Julianna - one of the eight Visionaries on that island that has a vested interest in not having the loop broken. You’re playing as Colt, the head of security gone rogue, who was meant to be there for the explicit purpose of protecting the very loop that you’re trying to break. And all the other Visionaries don’t remember how many times the day has rolled over. For Colt and Julianna though, their memory carries over. It’s Groundhog Day for them.
A human Julianna infiltrating your game is the biggest challenge you’ll likely face on the path towards destabilizing the loop (which is what happens when you kill multiple Visionaries in a single day). The AI becomes more intelligent and aggressive and obviously Julianna will come after your ass. I think that out of any game, it makes the most sense in Deathloop to have this mechanic. Though I do quite enjoy the hide-and-seek infiltration of Watch Dogs when another player invades your game.
sad thing about gaming today is the day 1 patch will fix all bs. release the game when it's finished and players defending it
Seriously. Developers want 60 dollars for broken games? Seems developers have learnt nothing from cyberpunk.
It was given a perfect score for it's identity politics, not for any gameplay immersion.
@@Jacaerys4life The best propaganda is subtle.
Someone had to say it.
Everyone i see "x is no masterpiece" I wanna die because of how incredibly annoying and cliche it is
Same. Why are people so triggered? Its like they say “oh i’ll find a flaw!!” Well yeah. Congrats contrarian.
@@breadordecide oh no, a piece of media isn't perfect by your contrarian standards Mr RUclips review man? Woe is me, y'know?
@@loganmakesvideos8652 Meanwhile. They receive trips and swag and sponsorships. But can be totally trusted.
@@breadordecide The fuck are you both talking about? The title is directly disputing the 10/10 IGN review score. No ones triggered he’s just explaining why it’s not a masterpiece with valid criticism of the game. Touch grass it’s not that deep.
@@SlickBlasian1 I'm sorry, but there literally is no perfect game. 10/10 is an entirely subjective thing, "arguing" with someone else's score is as stupid as can be.
"60 dollar game" bro they asking 70 now lmfao
For the same shitty quality assurance too
Its so weird to see that what I think is Arkanes worst game receive the most support.
Arkane haven't made a bad game so that's not super relevant
It's not weird when the protags are black.
have to Agree I have only played Prey And Dishonored 2 But this game from everything I have seen of it does not look great having said that their next game looks far worse.
@@s0lid_sno0ks spot the racist.
The expression “get/got it down pat” is a phrase that’s akin to ‘patting’ down dirt on top of a hole. Expressing that something is covered well.
Great to work with you! Loved the vid.
I opened the RUclips app after not touching it for a few hours and the first word to come from the video I had just started and yet to finish was “Salad” full stop almost dropped my phone
It's kinda in the same boat as death stranding, people who don't play games praise it, people who do, know there's no way this is a master piece, I love the dishonored games, they hold a very special place to me, but this game, perfect? Mmm no no
Death Stranding was fun as hell for me as the whole experience was just unique. I loved every second. On the other hand Deathloop is fun, but definitely not a masterpiece.
@@DV-ou1yu word, I feel like that's one of the most divisive games, personally I think it's boring as hell, obviously everyone's different,
My favorite games that I’ve played and replayed hundreds of times are prince of Persia and the two thrones, half life, Portal, God of war 2018, Halo Combat Evolved, Gears of war 2, shadow of the colossus, sly cooper, Fable, RDR2, Demon Souls, Dark souls1-3 sekiro and Elden ring and what I have to personally say about Deathloop it’s a fucking blast to play I enjoyed it and I had loads of fun with it! I can give it 10/10 because it satisfied me truly I can replay it multiple times whilst having fun
I actually love the game, it is a solid 9/10 from me. I love overall the sandbox and the vibe. The reason why the AI is bad is most probably because restarting the whole game from the start whould be really frustrating.
Horrible logic and excusing bad dev choices
I studied video game design, I'm a indie developer as a hobby and know a good number of people in the industry and outside of that I am surrounded by video game nerds. I have never heard of this game until now. How is this game supposedly a masterpiece and yet I did not hear about it before this video was recommended to me? Out of all my friends and acquaintances, for whom video games are an big part of their lives, no cared enough about this game to bring it up in conversation.
A game does not depend on you hearing about it beforehand to be a masterpiece. The game also got a lot of publicity before release last month, I can't see how anyone that follows videogames didn't know what it is.
Not saying the game is good or not, I still have not played it, but will soon.
@@toallin5146 Personally I likely didn't hear about it because I don't see a lot of advertisements and I don't follow video game news articles. But, after watching this video I've since asked a few friends if they'd heard of the game and the answers were essentially "Oh yeah I've heard of that, it didn't look that interesting" or "Oh yeah I played it. It was alright."
I'm not trying to raise myself to be an authority. It's just that for a game that is considered a masterpiece, it's weird that amongst my particular social group it doesn't raise enough interest to be discussed.
Every modern Arkane title is a masterpiece to me, each and every one of them embodying the spirit of the immersive sim, which is a super-rare genre these days.
But when normies find out about these games 90% of the time they shit on them because they played the game like any other shooter and dont take the time to appreciate the finely crafted level design and the amount of creative ways to play, smh :c
Dishonored is garbage.
Arkane is trash.
The issue is with how some reviewers prefer to criticise the game without digging into it's elements. Like they watched a movie, just walked out of a theatre and are sharing opinions with friends. It's fine for an average player, but it's really telling when reviewer delivers something like that.
@@s0lid_sno0ks your favourite game is garbage :
"Down Pat" is an old english idiom meaning you have "hit the mark" on something (such as mastering a skill)
Extremely shallow, bland, generic, and majorly overrated. User reviews and footage reflect that. Thanks Luke - I'd already made my decision on this game but I'm glad to have a long critique from someone who knows their stuff :)
I don't put to much stock into user reviews most are either 10 ou10 or 0 and people have stupid reasons for giving games low scores.
@@John-996 i agree, however generally steam reviews have people with actual points & structured critiques etc once you scroll through the meme & hivemind trash
@@heart_of_a_daedra3649 It's honestly surprising how numerous the more in depth reviews are, even in lesser known games there's always a bunch of people who write clear paragraphs about their experiences with the game. Hell, I even saw some using bullet points. I find that very wholesome since most of these dudes and dudettes are writing for pretty much no one and yet they still post
"user reviews and footage reflect that"
Wait. So you're writing a comment like this and you haven't even played the damn game?
@@pinkberry50 this again… you don’t need to play a game to know if you’ll like it or not when you can use youtube and reviews to see if it’s your thing. Weakest point in the book
not sure what to make of this from someone who adores the elephant portion in It Takes Two and thinks the writing is great
This game was getting pushed and no one is talking about it at all!
I had fun with it for a bit but ultimately agree with everything you said. I will be wary of initial reviews from now on.
The reason it got 10's was that it shows itself with an African-American aesthetic and vibe. Giving it a fair score would be like saying Black Panther wasn't very good when it came out (a 7 or 8 out of 10), if anyone did that they would be called a racist and cancelled.
The biggest issue i found with the game is i don’t think that rogue lite mechanics mesh well with the arkane style immersive sim. if you have to get through a loop in order to keep your stuff and use your residium you’re less likely to experiment in creative ways. i actually didn’t find the game easy. i kept dying before i could get the residium to infuse the things i wanted. pair this with playing the same 4 maps over and over and over and going against the same enemies over and over and over and it just wasn’t good