Just kickstart this man, you'll get millions in funding and you can actually produce it properly. Half the world will buy this and actually change the industry.
You need to manufacture a potentiometer joystick that never drifts like those shitty alps ones that always get drift over time. The video should be called I made the first ever no drift joystick
If both analog sticks were replaced then u would never have to worry about stick drift, which shouldn't even be a thing in 2021 lol. 1 stick is ok if it solves what Sony and Microsoft couldn't for decades
Heck if 36k is god tier shit then I suppose the steam controller is also god tier shit: ruclips.net/video/kz6suVKfm8U/видео.html 37k with the track pad only, but I've also broken 70k with gyro
I agree, I would purchase this if it were available in stores. I have nerve issues in one arm which effects my hand and fingers so using a keyboard for gaming is nearly impossible. I either use a controller in one hand and a 19 button mouse in the other or just straight controller only if the game has controller support. I'd buy this if it were for sale for sure.
I would Invest , I would also challange him to make a better Nunchuck controller for PC . Right Now I use the split fish frag chuck and I have some Ideas on how to make it better .
bro please get a lawyer or some consultant...you have to patent this and then make it happen on a mass production level You will become a millionaire and make a lot of gamers happy!
***GIVEAWAY*** YUP! Per usual, we are giving this controller away! I want to continue on with this mouse controller concept, with each revision we are getting closer and closer to something truly special! Post a comment below on what you would add or remove to this mouse controller for V4 *OR* why a controller like this would help improve your gameplay! Will announce in a few weeks!
Dude, you gotta send this to some pro-gaming streamers. If they featured your controller on their streams with a good example at how great it is for their gaming experience, then no doubt you will get some serious backing.
I second this but, the best option would be to give it to some hybrid player that also pulls great amounts of viewership and yeah you would get some amazing backing. Perhaps someone like Unknown.
Due to gyro aim having accessibility concerns for people with limited mobility or parkinson's, this is definitely a nice sidegrade! I still think that Trackpad+Gyro will work best for most, but I'll never turn down innovation.
You are still controlling it with just your thumb, that's one major of the reason mouse and kb is more precise. Not sure if that limited movement would be that beneficial, that's why you don't see a gamer using a tiny mouse pad. Good luck with your idea, just seems counter productive. It does remove the fact that joysticks drift and get bad though.
Yeah no one seems care with their idiot mind. I've tried to say this several times and yet they just ignore and keep glorify this very "genius" invention.
It's way better than the analog stick simply because it's not limited to the base of the stick and if you're am arm aimer you just create tension in your thumb to keep it steady and basically just an extension of your forearm almost like you would a jitter click in minecraft, personally I prefer nunchuck and mouse so hopefully in the future we can see all sorts of different types of first party controllers, consoles just need to step it up, I picked up an xbox series s hoping to basically cop a 1080 60 pc with record setting load times for only $300 but all I got was a glitch preventing me from using kb and mouse on mw, no kb and mouse support for home screen or WEB BROWSING, no audio support for usb and no direct streaming to youtube, so I can't imagine we'll be seeing any first party innovations from console manufactures any time soon. if controller finger mouse thingy is what this guy plays best with then this project was as productive as it gets. As a controller player I'd love more options for configuration and diversity in controlling hardware in general, as far as I'm concerned aim assist is just an excuse not to innovate or just let people use shit they already have sitting around
The first gaming console to have an analog stick launched in something like 1976. You're innovating us out of a 50-year deep pit of stagnation. Very excited to see what's in store for you my man. This is one of the most exciting pieces of tech in the pipe right now.
@@padrecharles_ it is great, but marketing kinda shit the bed on that one for the steam controller. Also this is a very familiar/intuitive platform. Any controller player could pick this up and feel reasonably comfortable with a little practice.
If you have to use a thumb sleeve with the optical sensor, u could just also use it on the touchpad version and make it way smoother and more "direct" than the mouse version
@@joselase6894 they would have to meet profit margins for investors. thats always priority number one for any big company. it'll be a glorious day when CEO's start taking a pay cut in order to put out awesome products with no compromises that pleases their customers.
@@musek5048 Quite literally, friend. Companies, within that aspect, also consider any event as a cost-risk-analysis. If an employee gets injured or killed on the job, would it cost more for us to fix the issue, or more for us to pay out (unless we can tie it up in courts)....
this is really cool and amazing job at creating something that is needed and doesn't exist. Part of me thinks you should patent this before it's too late xD
I play mobile games mostly and have been saying for years that touch controls are very precise and that movement and aim together has been a dream, this is in combination with the gyroscopes that are in mobile devices. I’ve used oils or finger sleeves to compensate for the drag you experience on a screen. The finger mouse looks amazing. I believe a gyroscope would be an amazing addition, but that’s something game devs would have to had already implemented. This of course is all speaking in a FPS oriented gauntlet of games.
This controller has the potential to be revolutionary. Not only does it bridge the precision gap between mouse and standard thumb stick, it also is going to allow for much more complex movements than a keyboard. I would like to see extended paddles similar to scuff. If you keep this up and the patent goes through I’m sure multiple companies will be offering you either tons of investments or rights to reproduce. Also if I could win the giveaway that’d be great 🤗
This is an interesting idea, but a normal controller with gyro aiming solves the aim assist problem while also not having to remove most of the controller to make room for a pad.
@@caslusotas9038 thats what i use the touchpad for, with the mouse controller, you're gonna have to swipe a couple of times to 180 while maintaining precision but with steam controller i just swipe once.
7:39 those potentiometers from the right stick (2 green squares on the left of screen) that you have soldered, what are you using those for? You're aiming with the mouse sensor in place of right stick, correct? So just wondering what youre wiring the extra potentiometers to?
Great work! I think the easier solution would be for games to have gyro aiming like Splatoon 2 have. The PS4, PS5 and Switch controller already have gyro, it's just a matter of implementing it!
you should experiment with steam controller gyro aiming i use the touch pad for fast movement and the gyro for smaller more accurate movements like aiming
lol how without using steams entire idea and just relocating their buttons on their controllers. that is what he did on all his hacks. cool relocates none the less
@@Keltzzzz I have 5 different actions under left touchpad , outer and inner ring action + same on right touchpad , I don't even need to take off my thumbs from touchpads anymore
Your top score with the thumb mouse was 36k? After maybe 6 attempts, my top score with the steam controller touch pad only was 35k. So.... About on par. My score with gyro though? Well over 70k. The gyro gaming community at large? Pushing 90k. Even our least competitive players are over 50k. Gyro is just so much better.... So this confirms my suspicions about the thumb mouse; it shares its weak link with the touch pad, which is that the thumb is horrible at aiming. Always has been.
Also, you can solve the friction issue on the touch pad by using thumb socks. They were made for mobile device screens for mobile gaming, but work surprisingly well on the touchpad
Checking out your gameplay and aimlab footage, i am confident now, that you are simply reinventing a steam controller with larger active zone(the likes of which you yourself admit is being excessieve). Since you also use only one thumb for aiming. For starters let's us do some math. You showcase your touchpad having ~3.5 inch height and widnth. But it reality it's smaller wince you can't move a sensor closer to a side than it's radius. which is around 0.4 inch(diamter is ~0.8 inch), so 3.5 - 0.8 = 2.7inch square of usable space. And steam controller has 40mm touchpads which is roughly equals to a circle of 1.57inch diamter, So what you essentially do, is add an extra inch of active tracking space, which you yourself admits, not always comfortable using despite having large hands(btw i myself too has a large hands and motion ragne of ~1.57 inch diamter circle of SC feels comfortable for me, but when i go out of it even half an inch, i feel tension in my thumb muscles) The absolute lie about touchpads being "choppy". It's very unetical of you to spread misinformation about all the touchpads having some sort of "choppiness" while tracking. Most of them do not. For example i have both Steam Controller and logitech K400+ tv keyboard with rouchpad at my side right now. Even if i press with all my force on k400+ touchpad (which you for some reason do in you video, and you shouldn't, since no one does this with their pointing deices) it's exhibit as little as 1-5% of choppiness you showingj, with all of it vanishing when i stop pressing on it like it ows me money. The lie about friction. The fact that you say smartphone screens have some sort of friction and as much as touchpad is preposterous. Everyone who owns a smartphone and sometimes clean the screen know that glass has almost zero friction. Touchpad's on the other hand has some friction, and yes it has an slight effect on you gliding speed, but not precision(at least on Steam Controller). It's more about having a feedback for you actions. And the amount of force friction touchpads provide is oh so much less, than the amount of inertia having to move a several grams of opticals sensors on your thumb provide. Like thing with mass have enertia. Thumb on touchpad have an inertia of thumb minus surface fritction(which is negligeble and wears out with time). Thumb + a sensor weight equals more inertiat + mouse legs friction (which they have, unless theare pure aluminium sheets or something). (btw on steam contoller the friction wears out after 100 or so hours of usage) The superior quality of Steam Controller touchpads. Steam controller on the other hand has zero chopinnes, no matter if you squish it down or not and in my tests has so much precision, that it's possible to use it as a device with absolute (non relative like mouse) cursor moving on a fullhd screen. This is because Steam Controller has special industrial grade touchpad made for a precise aiming with no acceleration (which is the actually real notebook touchpad problem, alongside cheap office mouse optical sensors if you didn't know), but with the ability to implement it in software alongside trackball style sliding. So unless you have a similar grade touchpad, or at least tried the "normal" notebook touchpad, you wouldn't experience any "chopinnes". You should buy Steam Controller and test it for yourself. Or you maybe even buy devkit with it's touchpad, the manufacturer sells it for around 70$ with evertying soldered and connected to arduino. check out ifixit teardown. Of cource having lots of additional buttons is a godsend. The wheel is meeh. I personally fing it not very helpful in an active game where you need to juggle you weapons constantly. The thumb claster fori instant weapons changing is the best. But the wheel with good amount of tension is indeed a second best thing after that.
not to mention thumb socks. he glues his thumb mouse module to a thumb sock for better fitment. a thumb sock on its own literally solves any complaints about friction with the track pad. I use one with my steam controller, its pretty awesome.
Literally so excited to see this pop up, been waiting for this for a while keep up the amazing work man, got me thru a lot😁😊 And congrats on 100k man you deserve it!
You should add a gyro aswell in place of the mouse wheel aswell as adding trackir too this or face track no ir(free alternative) to make it not only on the level of the KB+M but better
oh man, its nice to see that people want to see improvements to controllers. No one has come close to building somthing as flexible as the steam controller, but this is very close. I suggest putting a gyro in v4. Also www.cirque.com/circle-trackpad-dev-kit I think these are the high precision trackpads used in the steam controller.
It would basically become a steam controller... which is fine to me. The steam controller is amazing for shooter's and it bums me out that valve stopped producing them
Counter point to the wire, I'd lose the thumb oreo. Add magnets and I could see the possibility. Or a way to store the grip. Nontheless making it wireless would be a massive pain. Maybe in the future.
I feel all you do is tease people. You keep showing this stuff but you arent allowing the community to buy them. Gamers will buy this. Go ahead and put a cap on all these orders. Get few 1000 of these out. Use that to create more. Go for it, bcuz I'm tired of seeing these but can get them.
This is the answer. Steam controller is not only better, it is highly customizable and works for all games with different controller and wasd and mouse +keyboard bindings. And GYRO!
id really like this controller because it would help me get better game play for my youtube channel, been using a PS4 controller for Ironsight for pc and i get recked by mouse and keyboards everyday... i am also a bot like you lmao
Damn, apparently the people in these comments, and the guy that made the video, never heard of the Steam Controller, since everyone is so surprised by this pretty bad attempt at making a controller like it.
Not knocking what you guys are doing but I've got better results on aim labs using gyro with both the dualsense and steam controller. There's videos of guys reaching over 90,000 with the steam controller also. In saying that if your controller was released, I'd buy it.
i dont even play controller but this looks sick. if you were to kickstart this in 3 sizes or colors, you could get quite a bit. Also if this does get produced, make sure to have a left handed and right handed version
Well done! Question: why not just a trackpad surface like Steam controller tried once, but bigger? Also, for me, the problem is not the hardware, Steam controller was a good try, but so far, the best experience aiming was using the PS DS4 gyro, unfortunately, not too many games use that controller at full potential
I'm done almost 42k on grishot with steam controller trackpad only. Check it out on my channel :) This controller is still worse than steam controller or any gyro capable.
If you were to make a touch controlled version of this magnificent peripheral, I would suggest using a glass touchpad. While glass may not be the best material for a touchpad if you are taking into consideration friction, almost everyone has an innate understanding of how to use a glass sensor because we all use touchscreen phones on the daily. I believe it would be VERY easy to familiarize one's self with a touchpad version of your masterpiece if it felt like a phone screen instead of a ultra low friction material.
@@viniciusp718 the steam controller is simply highly misunderstood. I've used the Steam Controller and absolutely destroyed Tech Yesterday's aim lab scores he put up with the thumb mouse. He even commented on my videos showing the higher scores! ruclips.net/video/kz6suVKfm8U/видео.html for proof The Steam Controller simply got really bad main stream reviews, because in todays climate news articles and reviews only make money within a small window of the products release... and the Steam Controller takes time to learn how to use and develop the muscle memory for. Time main stream reviews couldnt give it because of the "pump and dump" news/review/article cycle. And unfortunately, main stream reviews have a HUGE impact on public perception. So of course everyone thinks its a bad controller... But if you stick with it, the Steam Controller is legit the best gamepad for pc that (was) on the market.
Or really any gyro capable controller. I use a 3rd party switch controller on pc and it's a game changer. The future is already here, people just choose to ignore it
@@padrecharles_ Exactly. It hardly changes the form factor people are familiar with ao you can play mouse games and traditional games with them instead of just shooters.
What an insanely awesome idea. I can imagine, so many small things could be changed for comfort and efficiency. Wish there was a way to take a closer look. I imagine making the thumb attachment somehow easier to attach would be a pretty important upgrade. Some sort of latch or trapping system, that could easily be removed with index finger pressure or something along the line. A long thing to explain in comments. I'd love to jump onboard for help if there was a discord or anything (I'm a mechatronics student always interested in this sort of stuff and design challenges) . Anyways good luck! excited to see more.
So honestly the design to this is so impressive that I wouldnt take away or add anything else to it. Maybe some side buttons like on a gaming mouse? But also i think this controller would improve my gameplay because i came from PC. I've always complained that it felt like o was at such a disadvantage due to being so restricted to a basic circular motion for aiming. I think this alone would change so much out gameplay. Subbed and bell on ❤
people at valve, sony or microsoft ought to take a look at this!... this dude will benefit from a creative environment to fully nurture and push his boundaries.
What they need to do is make the controller more visually pleasing and patent it. They need to make a PS5 version and a Xbox version, because this would change pro gaming
To make this more achabal you should do what Nintendo did you should have it were the pieces Can come apart and swap around For both left handers and right handers so that you can comfortably use the controller no matter what dexterity they are
THIS IS AWESOME! I suck at aiming on control but im pro at aiming with my finger on mobile but im better at building on controller so this would be perfect.
My main concern I have with a controller like this is support from developers. Most games don't allow simultaneous controller and mouse input. Is there a possibility of the thumb mouse emulating a joystick (to allow plug and play) while maintaining accuracy? Awesome concept though and I would buy this to replace my mouse and keyboard for gaming if it was plug and play since I hate joystick aiming but also hate using wasd for movement.
Jesus I just want to use right stick to rotate the camera while aiming with gyroscope, for me that's the smoothest possible way of aiming without extremely modifying the controllers. Switch Pro controller is one of the best ones in my case but it's really expensive and it's possible to run into some compatibility issues, so I just keep waiting until microsoft implements gyro into the xbox controller. By the way, your controller seems to be good only for shooters UPD. I've been using dualshock controller until selling my ps4 so now I'm strictly mouse and keyboard player until I get myself a new controller
you could expand the board and transform the other joystick into a mouse as well, although you'd have to find a solution to neutralize it since it's the movement stick and it needs a neutral input
Your video is very inspiring - it's a real gamer approach to design that corporations lack. Modern existing controllers of the classic format are not able to fully meet the requirements of players who have switched from mouse control (especially in first-person shooters or real-time strategies). I really hope for a successful development from the concept / prototype to the final commercial product. Greetings from Russia.
I haven't had any problems with the steam controller touch pad, but they did specifically design the touch pad for smoothness in aiming and reducing friction and the one you used was one from some Bluetooth keyboard and TouchPad combo thing, so that might be it. I do have a question, though... Have you considered adding a gyroscope that emulated the mouse on top of the mouse? It could be togglable with a button, as well as when toggled on, only sending mouse input when the thumb sized mouse is on the mouse pad, similar to touch activation of the gyro on the steam controller
How do you enter the giveaway I've lost so many ps4 controllers just cause analog sticks are made so cheaply or just controllers in general my left dpad doesn't work on my current controller this seems like such an upgrade I've also been considering using kbm with my ps4
Could you please share how you feel about gyroscope? I find that analogue stick + gyro is transformative and yet it hardly gets recognized. It also solves your travel distance radius problem because when when used with a gyro the analogue stick can cover large continual distance without resetting the pitch.
the pros of a mouse come with the fact you have your whole arm to aim. this may be slightly better but still way worse then m&k, and this wouldnt be compatible on console so you might as well just use m&k. cool concept but absolutely useless.
I really don't understand why there hasn't been many upgrades on console controllers, years and years with the same design.. I can aim way better on my phone than I can on a controller, I think that is saying something... gyroscope on FPS games on the phone is a genius move...
This is nuts! You are still just using a thumb to aim! That’s the problem, using a thumb to aim is inferior to using a mouse, a mouse is used by your whole hand, which is more accurate.
Like what are the point of these videos if he doesn't sell them??? Like why is he saying his controller is so much better than the big companies if he doesn't want to make money?? Wtf
A controller like this would help me so much, I can hardly use a controller for a shooter anymore. My only suggestion going into a 4th Version would be to make the right side of the controller grip bigger in a way that fits more comfortably in your hands much like the Satisfye Grip for the Nintendo Switch which is the best example I can think of.
Just kickstart this man, you'll get millions in funding and you can actually produce it properly. Half the world will buy this and actually change the industry.
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patents will be a problem see Steam Controller vs SCUF;
@@brunogm thats miles away from the steam controller he woud have no problems for patenting this genius idea
i would join a kickstarter
Or you can do like most other kickstarters. Get millions and produce nothing
someone get this large handed man a nobel prize
lmao, thanks bro
This needs to be the future. Please.
Id pay big bucks for this
You need to manufacture a potentiometer joystick that never drifts like those shitty alps ones that always get drift over time. The video should be called I made the first ever no drift joystick
@@techyesterday4960 you never texted me about the giveaway
oh the things I would do for this controller, please start custom orders.
I much rather have payed 250 bucks for one of these than my crap Scuf controller
If both analog sticks were replaced then u would never have to worry about stick drift, which shouldn't even be a thing in 2021 lol. 1 stick is ok if it solves what Sony and Microsoft couldn't for decades
@@BenLA5 so, steam controller then. I've been stick drift free for almost 6 years now.
@@Mennenth Too bad you can't get them anymore, mine broke a while ago, by far the best controller I've ever had so far.
@@Failzz8 may I introduce you to eBay? Lol
we need linus tech tips to review this! THIS IS GENIUS!
so how do we plan on getting his attention
by tagging him
@@DobermansSkatersShop lets do that
im tagging this video on twiter
i think that would be cool but its not finished yet but wouldnt hurt to get the word out about it
@@John-vp6tl did tagged him already
Hopefully he got a patent already, so no one steals his idea. The man is a genius.
Too late >;)
This idea is pretty old this guy has stolen the idea off of someone else 😂😂
@@iamnoclout7737 No matter what idea think of, someone else will also come up with it. Its all about who executes the idea best or first
Sony always ready to stolen ideas.
maybe valve will approach him for a collab
Yo any big people out there can someone fund this guy? This is god tier shit
How much does he need?
@@valdez1206 bout 3.50
@@valdez1206 prob 100k
If scoring 36k in grid shot is god tier shit, wait until you see how gyro aiming performs. Over 80k ruclips.net/video/wdDA3fiVlKE/видео.html
Heck if 36k is god tier shit then I suppose the steam controller is also god tier shit: ruclips.net/video/kz6suVKfm8U/видео.html 37k with the track pad only, but I've also broken 70k with gyro
You should start a go Fund me and looks for investors, I'm sure many people would be intersected
I agree, I would purchase this if it were available in stores. I have nerve issues in one arm which effects my hand and fingers so using a keyboard for gaming is nearly impossible. I either use a controller in one hand and a 19 button mouse in the other or just straight controller only if the game has controller support. I'd buy this if it were for sale for sure.
hell yeah im a investor and would invest in this
I would Invest , I would also challange him to make a better Nunchuck controller for PC . Right Now I use the split fish frag chuck and I have some Ideas on how to make it better .
Shut up and take my money.
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I feel you will make a lot of money , of your idea and your creation
Most likely someone else frome it, Razor is probably doing the SpongeBob meme of "write that down 📝"
No cap I’d you made it more ergonomic it will be the best controller no device ever
Steam controller wasnt that successfull
Pretty sure you'll never be able to buy this, can't even get the older one. Only when mainstream makes one
Start a fundraiser and manufacture this shit immediately!
bro please get a lawyer or some consultant...you have to patent this and then make it happen on a mass production level
You will become a millionaire and make a lot of gamers happy!
Dunno how old yall are but "aim assist" on PC is literally called cheating since the begining of online fps .
Don’t get pressed ur worse than people aiming with their thumb
Out of all your creations this is definitely the best. I hope you patented this designs, cuz I can see this going a long way.
***GIVEAWAY***
YUP! Per usual, we are giving this controller away! I want to continue on with this mouse controller concept, with each revision we are getting closer and closer to something truly special! Post a comment below on what you would add or remove to this mouse controller for V4 *OR* why a controller like this would help improve your gameplay! Will announce in a few weeks!
Fuck twitter and insta.
I'm on gab
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You should add Bluetooth integration in it so if people want to use on phone like me that would be really helpful
Can you add R3 L3 buttons so you can crouch in cod or tilt your aim in siege x
Dude, you gotta send this to some pro-gaming streamers. If they featured your controller on their streams with a good example at how great it is for their gaming experience, then no doubt you will get some serious backing.
I second this but, the best option would be to give it to some hybrid player that also pulls great amounts of viewership and yeah you would get some amazing backing. Perhaps someone like Unknown.
Due to gyro aim having accessibility concerns for people with limited mobility or parkinson's, this is definitely a nice sidegrade! I still think that Trackpad+Gyro will work best for most, but I'll never turn down innovation.
Trackpad+gyro is like arm aim+wrist aim on mouse thats why it could compete against pc players
You are still controlling it with just your thumb, that's one major of the reason mouse and kb is more precise. Not sure if that limited movement would be that beneficial, that's why you don't see a gamer using a tiny mouse pad.
Good luck with your idea, just seems counter productive. It does remove the fact that joysticks drift and get bad though.
I saw a guy use a track ball back in the day for the right joystick. But that didn't go anywhere
Yeah no one seems care with their idiot mind. I've tried to say this several times and yet they just ignore and keep glorify this very "genius" invention.
It's way better than the analog stick simply because it's not limited to the base of the stick and if you're am arm aimer you just create tension in your thumb to keep it steady and basically just an extension of your forearm almost like you would a jitter click in minecraft, personally I prefer nunchuck and mouse so hopefully in the future we can see all sorts of different types of first party controllers, consoles just need to step it up, I picked up an xbox series s hoping to basically cop a 1080 60 pc with record setting load times for only $300 but all I got was a glitch preventing me from using kb and mouse on mw, no kb and mouse support for home screen or WEB BROWSING, no audio support for usb and no direct streaming to youtube, so I can't imagine we'll be seeing any first party innovations from console manufactures any time soon. if controller finger mouse thingy is what this guy plays best with then this project was as productive as it gets. As a controller player I'd love more options for configuration and diversity in controlling hardware in general, as far as I'm concerned aim assist is just an excuse not to innovate or just let people use shit they already have sitting around
The first gaming console to have an analog stick launched in something like 1976. You're innovating us out of a 50-year deep pit of stagnation. Very excited to see what's in store for you my man. This is one of the most exciting pieces of tech in the pipe right now.
you're making me blush!
@@techyesterday4960 PATENT IT!!
Actually gyro is the game changer, has been around for a long time and still everyone ignores it
@@techyesterday4960 you never texted me for the give-away
@@padrecharles_ it is great, but marketing kinda shit the bed on that one for the steam controller. Also this is a very familiar/intuitive platform. Any controller player could pick this up and feel reasonably comfortable with a little practice.
I really hope this becomes an actual controller we can buy.
Yes, let's not forget consoles as well 😬
just get the steam controller. it already does this for the past 5 years with its dual touch pad and it has a gyro.
@@rus2thes0uL 4:05
Where and when can I get one ? Been patiently waiting subd bell on finally get a notification yes . says I was first view
Bruh it’s still a prototype, won’t be made for years
Same
This comment is directly below the giveaway comment
If you have to use a thumb sleeve with the optical sensor, u could just also use it on the touchpad version and make it way smoother and more "direct" than the mouse version
i was thinking the same thing
Yeah these stupid people just blow my mind with their stupidity, keep glorify this so called "genius" invention lol 😂😂😂
put this on kickstarter man. I'll proudly back this
"hey bro what type of controller you play on?"
him: honestly, i dont even know
Time for the new Hybrid Controller era. “I play on a hybrid.” Will be the new answer to that
mouse controller? idek lmao
logitech: can you show us your resume?
guy: hands over a fully working hybrid mouse controller.
They would never hire someone this productive. Only Chinese products that are faulty... and without support.
if me, I would not accept job offer from logitech. most of the revenue will go to logi rather than hardworking creator.
@@joselase6894 they would have to meet profit margins for investors. thats always priority number one for any big company. it'll be a glorious day when CEO's start taking a pay cut in order to put out awesome products with no compromises that pleases their customers.
@@musek5048 Quite literally, friend. Companies, within that aspect, also consider any event as a cost-risk-analysis. If an employee gets injured or killed on the job, would it cost more for us to fix the issue, or more for us to pay out (unless we can tie it up in courts)....
@@joselase6894 sad but true
Bro you gotta copyright this ASAP. Some rich dude is gonna watch this and mass produce it and you won’t get anything
Yeah. This needs a patent.
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It’s me. the rich dude that’s gna mass produce it🙂
or a poor dude with mad hack skills lol
@@Keltzzzz poor dude wouldn’t be able to mass produce this
this is really cool and amazing job at creating something that is needed and doesn't exist. Part of me thinks you should patent this before it's too late xD
I play mobile games mostly and have been saying for years that touch controls are very precise and that movement and aim together has been a dream, this is in combination with the gyroscopes that are in mobile devices. I’ve used oils or finger sleeves to compensate for the drag you experience on a screen. The finger mouse looks amazing. I believe a gyroscope would be an amazing addition, but that’s something game devs would have to had already implemented. This of course is all speaking in a FPS oriented gauntlet of games.
i would buy this controller, please make a kickstarter
It's basically a Steam Controller.
@@forsaken1120 Steam Controller 2: Electric Boogaloo
@@lakojake4215 no
@@william41017 Care to elaborate? Have you even used a Steam controller?
@@Hunter725R cool doofuhlus
The evolution of this controller is so fun to watch. I really want one.
This controller has the potential to be revolutionary. Not only does it bridge the precision gap between mouse and standard thumb stick, it also is going to allow for much more complex movements than a keyboard. I would like to see extended paddles similar to scuff. If you keep this up and the patent goes through I’m sure multiple companies will be offering you either tons of investments or rights to reproduce. Also if I could win the giveaway that’d be great 🤗
I guess we’ll have to wait another 10 years for this to be available on the PS6
This is an interesting idea, but a normal controller with gyro aiming solves the aim assist problem while also not having to remove most of the controller to make room for a pad.
Ngl, you gonna revolutionize the controller gaming scene
If I could plug it into my xbox, I'd buy 3 of them
I got 77k on gridshot with steam controller gyro, I reckon its probably better than this thing. Also don't have to attack a mini sock to my thumb.
the steam controller was so underrated! still using mine for rocket league ^^ hope they make a v2 someday
Can u do 180° quickly while maintaining precision in gyro?
@@caslusotas9038 thats what i use the touchpad for, with the mouse controller, you're gonna have to swipe a couple of times to 180 while maintaining precision but with steam controller i just swipe once.
Omg I've been waiting months for this video
7:39 those potentiometers from the right stick (2 green squares on the left of screen) that you have soldered, what are you using those for? You're aiming with the mouse sensor in place of right stick, correct? So just wondering what youre wiring the extra potentiometers to?
Great work!
I think the easier solution would be for games to have gyro aiming like Splatoon 2 have.
The PS4, PS5 and Switch controller already have gyro, it's just a matter of implementing it!
you should experiment with steam controller gyro aiming i use the touch pad for fast movement and the gyro for smaller more accurate movements like aiming
Still btter that this "mouse controller". The main problem with controller aiming is thumb movement.
lol how without using steams entire idea and just relocating their buttons on their controllers. that is what he did on all his hacks. cool relocates none the less
@@Keltzzzz I have 5 different actions under left touchpad , outer and inner ring action + same on right touchpad , I don't even need to take off my thumbs from touchpads anymore
Kickstarter when?? I've been thoroughly impressed and would love to put some money your way :P
Your top score with the thumb mouse was 36k? After maybe 6 attempts, my top score with the steam controller touch pad only was 35k. So.... About on par.
My score with gyro though? Well over 70k.
The gyro gaming community at large? Pushing 90k. Even our least competitive players are over 50k. Gyro is just so much better....
So this confirms my suspicions about the thumb mouse; it shares its weak link with the touch pad, which is that the thumb is horrible at aiming. Always has been.
Also, you can solve the friction issue on the touch pad by using thumb socks. They were made for mobile device screens for mobile gaming, but work surprisingly well on the touchpad
people on low sens be like: "where is my space"
Checking out your gameplay and aimlab footage, i am confident now, that you are simply reinventing a steam controller with larger active zone(the likes of which you yourself admit is being excessieve). Since you also use only one thumb for aiming.
For starters let's us do some math. You showcase your touchpad having ~3.5 inch height and widnth. But it reality it's smaller wince you can't move a sensor closer to a side than it's radius. which is around 0.4 inch(diamter is ~0.8 inch), so 3.5 - 0.8 = 2.7inch square of usable space. And steam controller has 40mm touchpads which is roughly equals to a circle of 1.57inch diamter, So what you essentially do, is add an extra inch of active tracking space, which you yourself admits, not always comfortable using despite having large hands(btw i myself too has a large hands and motion ragne of ~1.57 inch diamter circle of SC feels comfortable for me, but when i go out of it even half an inch, i feel tension in my thumb muscles)
The absolute lie about touchpads being "choppy".
It's very unetical of you to spread misinformation about all the touchpads having some sort of "choppiness" while tracking. Most of them do not. For example i have both Steam Controller and logitech K400+ tv keyboard with rouchpad at my side right now. Even if i press with all my force on k400+ touchpad (which you for some reason do in you video, and you shouldn't, since no one does this with their pointing deices) it's exhibit as little as 1-5% of choppiness you showingj, with all of it vanishing when i stop pressing on it like it ows me money.
The lie about friction.
The fact that you say smartphone screens have some sort of friction and as much as touchpad is preposterous. Everyone who owns a smartphone and sometimes clean the screen know that glass has almost zero friction. Touchpad's on the other hand has some friction, and yes it has an slight effect on you gliding speed, but not precision(at least on Steam Controller). It's more about having a feedback for you actions. And the amount of force friction touchpads provide is oh so much less, than the amount of inertia having to move a several grams of opticals sensors on your thumb provide. Like thing with mass have enertia. Thumb on touchpad have an inertia of thumb minus surface fritction(which is negligeble and wears out with time). Thumb + a sensor weight equals more inertiat + mouse legs friction (which they have, unless theare pure aluminium sheets or something).
(btw on steam contoller the friction wears out after 100 or so hours of usage)
The superior quality of Steam Controller touchpads.
Steam controller on the other hand has zero chopinnes, no matter if you squish it down or not and in my tests has so much precision, that it's possible to use it as a device with absolute (non relative like mouse) cursor moving on a fullhd screen.
This is because Steam Controller has special industrial grade touchpad made for a precise aiming with no acceleration (which is the actually real notebook touchpad problem, alongside cheap office mouse optical sensors if you didn't know), but with the ability to implement it in software alongside trackball style sliding. So unless you have a similar grade touchpad, or at least tried the "normal" notebook touchpad, you wouldn't experience any "chopinnes". You should buy Steam Controller and test it for yourself. Or you maybe even buy devkit with it's touchpad, the manufacturer sells it for around 70$ with evertying soldered and connected to arduino. check out ifixit teardown.
Of cource having lots of additional buttons is a godsend. The wheel is meeh. I personally fing it not very helpful in an active game where you need to juggle you weapons constantly. The thumb claster fori instant weapons changing is the best. But the wheel with good amount of tension is indeed a second best thing after that.
not to mention thumb socks.
he glues his thumb mouse module to a thumb sock for better fitment.
a thumb sock on its own literally solves any complaints about friction with the track pad. I use one with my steam controller, its pretty awesome.
Dead ass I’d buy one from you
Literally so excited to see this pop up, been waiting for this for a while keep up the amazing work man, got me thru a lot😁😊
And congrats on 100k man you deserve it!
Came from basically homeless, just wanna say continue doing what u doing man
PATENT THIS ASAP BRO, BEFORE SOMEONE FROM BIG COMPANY STEAL IT!!!! btw good job, genius product design indeed
China will, no doubt
I would really like to know how close is the feeling to a touch screen fps game, Amazing product btw
You should add a gyro aswell in place of the mouse wheel aswell as adding trackir too this or face track no ir(free alternative) to make it not only on the level of the KB+M but better
oh man, its nice to see that people want to see improvements to controllers. No one has come close to building somthing as flexible as the steam controller, but this is very close. I suggest putting a gyro in v4. Also www.cirque.com/circle-trackpad-dev-kit I think these are the high precision trackpads used in the steam controller.
Just for the sake of overkill, I would add a gyroscope.
It would basically become a steam controller... which is fine to me. The steam controller is amazing for shooter's and it bums me out that valve stopped producing them
not sure if he's an engineer i think your asking alil much from a hack/relocate lol. cool idea though
@@Keltzzzz No-no, he's adding it. lol. He stated it somewhere in the comments
This looks just about perfect. The two changes I'd make: remove the wire, and bring it out of this youtube video and put it into my hands :P
Counter point to the wire, I'd lose the thumb oreo. Add magnets and I could see the possibility. Or a way to store the grip. Nontheless making it wireless would be a massive pain. Maybe in the future.
I feel all you do is tease people. You keep showing this stuff but you arent allowing the community to buy them. Gamers will buy this. Go ahead and put a cap on all these orders. Get few 1000 of these out. Use that to create more. Go for it, bcuz I'm tired of seeing these but can get them.
Just buy a steam controller
This is the answer. Steam controller is not only better, it is highly customizable and works for all games with different controller and wasd and mouse +keyboard bindings. And GYRO!
id really like this controller because it would help me get better game play for my youtube channel, been using a PS4 controller for Ironsight for pc and i get recked by mouse and keyboards everyday... i am also a bot like you lmao
if you are going to manufacture these, try contacting reWASD for software support
dude holy s!@# you're almost there. don't stop. make this happen.
Damn, apparently the people in these comments, and the guy that made the video, never heard of the Steam Controller, since everyone is so surprised by this pretty bad attempt at making a controller like it.
how does this guy only have 100k subs????
Not knocking what you guys are doing but I've got better results on aim labs using gyro with both the dualsense and steam controller. There's videos of guys reaching over 90,000 with the steam controller also. In saying that if your controller was released, I'd buy it.
Bro, with trackpad I have 37k-42k points on gridshot :D
@@pawes7418 Really wow. Then this thumb mouse controller really is a waste of time lol
@@CandarianGaming It's not waste of time. But steam controller is overall a better device. I will upload my trackpad gridshot run soon :)
@@CandarianGaming ruclips.net/video/mWt4Au1CFU4/видео.html
Where and when can I get one ? Been patiently waiting subd bell on finally get a notification yes . says I was first view
I'm curious how this could be simplified to get rid of that eyesore of a wire.
I bet everybody is gonna start doing flicks on this controller,
Future controller games would HAve To disabled aim assist XD
It's great seeing the progress you are making with this project.
THE FUTURE
It's still just your thumb. That steam controller already dose this.
It does this but better because most people use it in tandem with gyro aiming
Yeah I still use my steam controller religiously and even bought 2 replacements which are still sealed for when my original breaks.
Why you didn’t make a little ‘finger-glove’ for the dumb so it doesn’t crear that friction and can use it on the pad?
i dont even play controller but this looks sick.
if you were to kickstart this in 3 sizes or colors, you could get quite a bit. Also if this does get produced, make sure to have a left handed and right handed version
This is the greatest invention since the wheel !
This would change the way people can play improving their over all aim just like how you showed us in the video
Steam controller
That’s cool so when is this going to available to the public?🧐
Dude I thought your Pfp was a hair on my screen 🤡
@@jooshbx3199 same until I saw this comment
@@musty8613 yeah lol
Well done! Question: why not just a trackpad surface like Steam controller tried once, but bigger? Also, for me, the problem is not the hardware, Steam controller was a good try, but so far, the best experience aiming was using the PS DS4 gyro, unfortunately, not too many games use that controller at full potential
I'm done almost 42k on grishot with steam controller trackpad only. Check it out on my channel :) This controller is still worse than steam controller or any gyro capable.
If you were to make a touch controlled version of this magnificent peripheral, I would suggest using a glass touchpad. While glass may not be the best material for a touchpad if you are taking into consideration friction, almost everyone has an innate understanding of how to use a glass sensor because we all use touchscreen phones on the daily. I believe it would be VERY easy to familiarize one's self with a touchpad version of your masterpiece if it felt like a phone screen instead of a ultra low friction material.
Increíble lo que has logrado amigo, espero que tu proyecto de frutos muy pronto.
I have never seen anything so groundbreaking and amazing in my life.
Steam controller?
@@GoblinArmyInYourWalls have you ever used a steam controller? it's a piece of trash. If you watched the video, it mentions the difference
@@viniciusp718 the steam controller is simply highly misunderstood. I've used the Steam Controller and absolutely destroyed Tech Yesterday's aim lab scores he put up with the thumb mouse. He even commented on my videos showing the higher scores! ruclips.net/video/kz6suVKfm8U/видео.html for proof
The Steam Controller simply got really bad main stream reviews, because in todays climate news articles and reviews only make money within a small window of the products release... and the Steam Controller takes time to learn how to use and develop the muscle memory for. Time main stream reviews couldnt give it because of the "pump and dump" news/review/article cycle. And unfortunately, main stream reviews have a HUGE impact on public perception. So of course everyone thinks its a bad controller... But if you stick with it, the Steam Controller is legit the best gamepad for pc that (was) on the market.
@@viniciusp718 Trash? I own 2, it's the best controller I've ever used. I can almost certainly bet you've never used one to speak of it like that.
@@GoblinArmyInYourWalls They are so good that they stopped selling
Hear me out, try nintendo switch joy-cons gyro aiming that's already so close or equal to mause aiming TRUST ME! use it in fortnite
Or really any gyro capable controller. I use a 3rd party switch controller on pc and it's a game changer. The future is already here, people just choose to ignore it
@@padrecharles_ Exactly. It hardly changes the form factor people are familiar with ao you can play mouse games and traditional games with them instead of just shooters.
What an insanely awesome idea. I can imagine, so many small things could be changed for comfort and efficiency. Wish there was a way to take a closer look.
I imagine making the thumb attachment somehow easier to attach would be a pretty important upgrade. Some sort of latch or trapping system, that could easily be removed with index finger pressure or something along the line. A long thing to explain in comments. I'd love to jump onboard for help if there was a discord or anything (I'm a mechatronics student always interested in this sort of stuff and design challenges) . Anyways good luck! excited to see more.
So honestly the design to this is so impressive that I wouldnt take away or add anything else to it. Maybe some side buttons like on a gaming mouse?
But also i think this controller would improve my gameplay because i came from PC. I've always complained that it felt like o was at such a disadvantage due to being so restricted to a basic circular motion for aiming. I think this alone would change so much out gameplay.
Subbed and bell on ❤
genius like this appears every 100 years
people at valve, sony or microsoft ought to take a look at this!... this dude will benefit from a creative environment to fully nurture and push his boundaries.
Valve already did this controller and it's called Steam Controller.
You could add a "button" to the sensor. Like when you press down, it shoots. It'd need to be a sensitive button for it to be usable tho
What they need to do is make the controller more visually pleasing and patent it. They need to make a PS5 version and a Xbox version, because this would change pro gaming
Still using 1 finger for aiming is bad
To make this more achabal you should do what Nintendo did you should have it were the pieces Can come apart and swap around For both left handers and right handers so that you can comfortably use the controller no matter what dexterity they are
THIS IS AWESOME! I suck at aiming on control but im pro at aiming with my finger on mobile but im better at building on controller so this would be perfect.
My main concern I have with a controller like this is support from developers. Most games don't allow simultaneous controller and mouse input. Is there a possibility of the thumb mouse emulating a joystick (to allow plug and play) while maintaining accuracy? Awesome concept though and I would buy this to replace my mouse and keyboard for gaming if it was plug and play since I hate joystick aiming but also hate using wasd for movement.
Also, is there any where we can also buy your custom-produced small mouse sensor?
Jesus I just want to use right stick to rotate the camera while aiming with gyroscope, for me that's the smoothest possible way of aiming without extremely modifying the controllers. Switch Pro controller is one of the best ones in my case but it's really expensive and it's possible to run into some compatibility issues, so I just keep waiting until microsoft implements gyro into the xbox controller. By the way, your controller seems to be good only for shooters
UPD. I've been using dualshock controller until selling my ps4 so now I'm strictly mouse and keyboard player until I get myself a new controller
dude, did you just realize that you did what controller designers cant do for the last 20 years? LIKE WTF hire this guy....
you could expand the board and transform the other joystick into a mouse as well, although you'd have to find a solution to neutralize it since it's the movement stick and it needs a neutral input
Your video is very inspiring - it's a real gamer approach to design that corporations lack. Modern existing controllers of the classic format are not able to fully meet the requirements of players who have switched from mouse control (especially in first-person shooters or real-time strategies). I really hope for a successful development from the concept / prototype to the final commercial product. Greetings from Russia.
I haven't had any problems with the steam controller touch pad, but they did specifically design the touch pad for smoothness in aiming and reducing friction and the one you used was one from some Bluetooth keyboard and TouchPad combo thing, so that might be it. I do have a question, though... Have you considered adding a gyroscope that emulated the mouse on top of the mouse? It could be togglable with a button, as well as when toggled on, only sending mouse input when the thumb sized mouse is on the mouse pad, similar to touch activation of the gyro on the steam controller
How do you enter the giveaway I've lost so many ps4 controllers just cause analog sticks are made so cheaply or just controllers in general my left dpad doesn't work on my current controller this seems like such an upgrade I've also been considering using kbm with my ps4
Could you please share how you feel about gyroscope? I find that analogue stick + gyro is transformative and yet it hardly gets recognized. It also solves your travel distance radius problem because when when used with a gyro the analogue stick can cover large continual distance without resetting the pitch.
the pros of a mouse come with the fact you have your whole arm to aim. this may be slightly better but still way worse then m&k, and this wouldnt be compatible on console so you might as well just use m&k. cool concept but absolutely useless.
NO MORE AIM-ASSIST FOR CONTROLLER PLAYER .. AWEEEEEEEEEEEEESOME
I really don't understand why there hasn't been many upgrades on console controllers, years and years with the same design.. I can aim way better on my phone than I can on a controller, I think that is saying something... gyroscope on FPS games on the phone is a genius move...
this is basically a phone when you play fps games with claw controls
Man, u must patent this ASAP
Nobody should stole this idea
Wait... You guys use your middle finger to use the scroll wheel?!?!?!?!!
This is nuts! You are still just using a thumb to aim! That’s the problem, using a thumb to aim is inferior to using a mouse, a mouse is used by your whole hand, which is more accurate.
Like what are the point of these videos if he doesn't sell them??? Like why is he saying his controller is so much better than the big companies if he doesn't want to make money?? Wtf
A controller like this would help me so much, I can hardly use a controller for a shooter anymore. My only suggestion going into a 4th Version would be to make the right side of the controller grip bigger in a way that fits more comfortably in your hands much like the Satisfye Grip for the Nintendo Switch which is the best example I can think of.