I was glad when you said the fire was out and knew that your analysis/conclusion would be factually true despite sounding at odds with the containment percentage. And now I've learned what the containment numbers mean.
New to the channel. Thank you for these videos this week. Your information, data, and presentation have been so helpful in helping me and my family in Los Angeles understand wildfire better. This kind of expertise delivered with calm energy and empathy is rare. Thank you!
Extremely valuable information. Thank you! We need to have people who actually know what they're talking about have platforms where we can all learn and promote the design of better systems to manage these problems. The wagging tongues and conspiracists are just so much noise drowning out the signal of real knowledge, learning, and better design, i e., policies, resource allocation, and actions.
Thanks for sharing, especially the information about engaging with the local indigenous people. When the Spanish colonists were setting up their missions in costal California (think Mission San Diego, San Gabriel, Santa Barbara, etc) the padres would write in their letters “The crazy natives (“los indios”) are starting fires again!” Did Europeans not know anything about intentional burning?
The best! Thank you for what you do and the outstanding integrity you show. We don’t forget things that sear us to our souls, it’s human. Those memories guide us, they are the wisdom of experience it’s you. Peace be with you life is not easy but it beats the alternatives. Love to you
Native American primarily burned in the fall as they were leaving hunting areas. Rains were usually on their way. I'm concerned that we are shifting species by scheduling almost all prescribed burns during spring months. I also know that delayed watering on grass seed fields after burning can severely impact seed production an important component of bird and rodent feed. I'm also concerned that some fire managers aren't familiar with the local vegetation. In 2007 I was repeatedly told thst they weren't worried about fire getting into the grassy meadow since the grass was still green. I kept telling them it was sedge, not grass and that it would ignite with the first sparks.
There's a lot of focus on the ecology with our burns here in Butte County. We've got some great ecologists and native folks steering our programs. We have had some burns in late spring/early summer to target star thistle in places whereit is dominating the native veg, but the long-term goal is to taper those burns off after the thistle are reduced. Most of our landowner burns are in the fall and midwinter.
Just want to say I love your videos! I just recommended you to followers of California Weather Watch. I recommend that to all followers here. Fire nerd here, weather nerd there. Awesome crossover. Thank you!
Appreciate the post, I too got scorched regarding the percentage from the last video I shared. Lol I wasn't worried because I've followed you for a bit. I just suggested if they wanted to learn and know more, watch the other info. 👍🙏🌷
Great channel! Thanks for your good work. You need to do an episode on “what went wrong” with the Pacific Palisades fire. We need you just weigh in on how it at all happened and what failures allowed it to happen.
I know about containment percentage by listening to you during past fires. My son lived in Sonoma County and I had 100+ family members is Paradise during fires there.
Thanks for this explanation. When I lived in Rapid City, I think I remember a nearby fire going from high to low containment due to wind making it take off.
There is 'contained', where fireline surrounds the fire; this is where you see the percentages, determined by the amout lined out of the entire length of the perimeter. These lines generally hold the fire for firefighters to go in and mop up, establishing control. 'Controlled', where defensible line is complete around the whole fire, and the fire is not expected to progress in the predicted upcoming conditions. 'Out' is when a fire is completely extinguished, without remaining live fire in the perimeter. Caveats: it isnt easy to completely extinguish a wildland fire. Roots burn and can smolder for a surprisingly long time; snags and even formerly live trees must be removed to prevent hazards and fire rekindling later. Thats why you will often just see 'contained 100%' or 'controlled' rather than 'out'. Hope that helps!
After the Marshall fire in CO that burned up 1,000+ structures a few years ago in winter, we are now having a goat grazing company come and have goats clear out all live and dead vegetation along the edges of our town. fertilizer for the ground from their poop, cool to see, reduced fire risk, less rattle snakes hiding in tall grasses and free food for the goats. It's a win all around. With a $850 million budget for the LAFD, you gotta wonder why no one has ever decided to do fire mitigation like this. Would it be the cities preventing it? Seems crazy that a desert environment with very little natural water sources and rain, and with millions of people would not look to mitigate fire damage. Surely goat grazing doesn't cost a lot. Better than prescribed fires in my opinion.
Agree the language is important. Especially the ratings of fires to convey the severity in a way that describes what is going to happen. “Extreme” doesn’t convey the severity, any conditions related to the Santa Ana wind phenomenon should be rated “catastrophic’.
Can u turn up volume on your commentary please. In Japan where we reside part of the time a good fire burn got out of hand some years ago at the base of Mt. Fuji. I was very surprised because the Japanese operate at such a high level of expertise especially when it comes to fire prevention, management and controls. I guess that is the risk nomatter how good you think you may be.
Frequent ,small fires . Also weed whacking.lol! ,,but fire regenerates and puts good nitrogen in the soil. It helps wildlife too in so many ways. I have stories,,but I will quit lol ! Thank you for educating people that just do not realize.
In terms of the percentages and ratios, I think I hear what you are saying is as equivalent to the NWS relay of humidity/precipitation in the 2010s. 40% or higher, and there is rain, lower than that had been subjective to variables & variance of both occurrence as well as human-based interpretation. I am not a fairy shrimp, but I do have to be a little inquiet (a French word).
I wish he had video of burning chaparral… It’s the predominant vegetation in SoCal; I’m sure the hill around Chico should have it as well. I’ve only passed through there once. Had a Sierra Nevada pale ale with lunch.
Thanks for the info, but what about "controlled burns" that get out of hand? For instance, can you comment on the Los Alamos, NM wild fire of about 30 years ago that got out of control and burned into the town site and the Los Alamos National lab?
@@jimblacic That fire happened in the year 2000. I remember cause it's the year I got married and my husband's best man was living with us cause he had been evacuated from Los Alamos. I'm no expert, but I think the winds weren't favorable for a prescribed burn there.
Right, in many geographies, invasive annual grasses can replace chaparral, increasing the potential rates of fire spread. Any controlled burn needs to consider the ecological effects.
Now Oxnard? 👉 Once state and city officials *DARE* to _“Think The Unthinkable”,_ then the probability of spontaneous combustion / spontaneous ignition in now *multiple areas simultaneously,* often Many Miles Apart, becomes increasingly remote….
G'day, Kangaroo-feeder here, from the Endangered Species Sanctuary... Today I added to my Uploads, "Trumpocalypse Chronicle-5, Wildfires With Global Warming..." Please feel free to backtrack me, to see the Bushfire Fuelbomb within which I reside...; And my 56,000 Litre, 3-Pump, 5 Sprinkler, 9 Hoses & 5 Nozzles worth of Stay-&-Defend style of a Fireplan... And a brief look at the Spotfire I caught on the Driveway leading to my front Gate, 6 weeks or so ago (backscroll in my Videos to find the two Clips of that...) Together with the Antipodean view of whereinat the USA has voted to be led Astray... Your choice, I may be the Fool on the Hill, but I be not quite as silly as I look (!). Such is life, Have a good one..... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
I wish these dumb talking heads on social media like the owner of twitter would truly LISTEN to people like you to understand 'the limits of firefighting' like you said.
You mentioned the bladder bags near the end of your presentation. The rumor mill had it that the fire crews were so bereft of dollars that crews were reduced to using their wives’ purses and handbags. Social media disinformation, at its finest (sarcasm intended)
YT has auto delete that deletes any comments it deems ‘controversial’. It doesn’t take much at all to get removed. Speaking about political or sciencey stuff is often removed..
CA has mismanaged our forests, but these fires weren't burning in forests, rather in shrublands/chaparral. The type of vegetation is really important when we talk about how specific places should be managed.
Fox News needs to show the actual fuels burning in these large fires that burn down whole communities. They show burning houses and long distance shots of mountainsides and ridges, but not the burning grasses, decorative shrubs, and chaparral in any meaningful way, then go on with their chatter about forest mismanagement. I always ask my Fox watching neighbors, “did you see any actual forest burning?” Not here in Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernardino, or L.A. Counties; they didn’t.
I was glad when you said the fire was out and knew that your analysis/conclusion would be factually true despite sounding at odds with the containment percentage. And now I've learned what the containment numbers mean.
"A fire can be out and uncontained..." Wow! Learning!
New to the channel. Thank you for these videos this week. Your information, data, and presentation have been so helpful in helping me and my family in Los Angeles understand wildfire better. This kind of expertise delivered with calm energy and empathy is rare. Thank you!
I learn so much from these videos, thank you!
Great video. Great information. Thank you.
Extremely valuable information. Thank you! We need to have people who actually know what they're talking about have platforms where we can all learn and promote the design of better systems to manage these problems. The wagging tongues and conspiracists are just so much noise drowning out the signal of real knowledge, learning, and better design, i e., policies, resource allocation, and actions.
Thanks for sharing, especially the information about engaging with the local indigenous people. When the Spanish colonists were setting up their missions in costal California (think Mission San Diego, San Gabriel, Santa Barbara, etc) the padres would write in their letters “The crazy natives (“los indios”) are starting fires again!”
Did Europeans not know anything about intentional burning?
Kaman K-MAX, my favourite helicopter! Thanks for your informative videos.
Very informative.....Knowledge is power....This needs to get out to the masses to help prevent these disasters....Much gratitude Zeke! 💯👍🎉
The best! Thank you for what you do and the outstanding integrity you show. We don’t forget things that sear us to our souls, it’s human. Those memories guide us, they are the wisdom of experience it’s you. Peace be with you life is not easy but it beats the alternatives. Love to you
Thanks
Native American primarily burned in the fall as they were leaving hunting areas. Rains were usually on their way. I'm concerned that we are shifting species by scheduling almost all prescribed burns during spring months. I also know that delayed watering on grass seed fields after burning can severely impact seed production an important component of bird and rodent feed. I'm also concerned that some fire managers aren't familiar with the local vegetation. In 2007 I was repeatedly told thst they weren't worried about fire getting into the grassy meadow since the grass was still green. I kept telling them it was sedge, not grass and that it would ignite with the first sparks.
There's a lot of focus on the ecology with our burns here in Butte County. We've got some great ecologists and native folks steering our programs. We have had some burns in late spring/early summer to target star thistle in places whereit is dominating the native veg, but the long-term goal is to taper those burns off after the thistle are reduced. Most of our landowner burns are in the fall and midwinter.
@TheLookout1 I'm glad to hear that. I'm not seeing that kind of timing in Idaho. It's been very frustrating.
Great info!
Just want to say I love your videos! I just recommended you to followers of California Weather Watch. I recommend that to all followers here. Fire nerd here, weather nerd there. Awesome crossover. Thank you!
Appreciate the post, I too got scorched regarding the percentage from the last video I shared. Lol I wasn't worried because I've followed you for a bit. I just suggested if they wanted to learn and know more, watch the other info. 👍🙏🌷
Thank you great work.
Fascinating video, thanks for posting this.
Great content really appreciate what your doing !! Thank you
Thankyou Zeke!
Thanks sir excellent information you provided
Understand the science, don’t question experts, thanks for your expertise in science fire management
Thanks!
Thanks! I really appreciate your mastery of google earth (if that's what you're using). It gives a great spatial awareness.
Great channel! Thanks for your good work. You need to do an episode on “what went wrong” with the Pacific Palisades fire. We need you just weigh in on how it at all happened and what failures allowed it to happen.
Zeke - a “tour de force” of fire management and fighting. Thanks! I look forward to the Steinberg structure footage and your interpretation.
Thank you for helping keep us in formed and teaching us to understand the maps. Thank you God Bless you and your family!
I know about containment percentage by listening to you during past fires. My son lived in Sonoma County and I had 100+ family members is Paradise during fires there.
Thank you so much !!! This is very informative, I did not know this terminology.
Thanks for this explanation. When I lived in Rapid City, I think I remember a nearby fire going from high to low containment due to wind making it take off.
Thank you for eradicating yellow star thistle!
There is 'contained', where fireline surrounds the fire; this is where you see the percentages, determined by the amout lined out of the entire length of the perimeter. These lines generally hold the fire for firefighters to go in and mop up, establishing control.
'Controlled', where defensible line is complete around the whole fire, and the fire is not expected to progress in the predicted upcoming conditions.
'Out' is when a fire is completely extinguished, without remaining live fire in the perimeter.
Caveats: it isnt easy to completely extinguish a wildland fire. Roots burn and can smolder for a surprisingly long time; snags and even formerly live trees must be removed to prevent hazards and fire rekindling later.
Thats why you will often just see 'contained 100%' or 'controlled' rather than 'out'.
Hope that helps!
Great show! Thank you!!
Very cool
This information needs to get out to everyone in California. Everyone is extremely scared of fire right now.
More calm fire. Controls the smoke too
Thank you for sharing your understanding. Prescribed burns seem very effective. Can’t do that in a windstorm, tho, right? What are best practices?
Tear in the cover that goes over reservoir, and drain the whole think, middle of fire season, WOW!
👍 thank you
After the Marshall fire in CO that burned up 1,000+ structures a few years ago in winter, we are now having a goat grazing company come and have goats clear out all live and dead vegetation along the edges of our town. fertilizer for the ground from their poop, cool to see, reduced fire risk, less rattle snakes hiding in tall grasses and free food for the goats. It's a win all around.
With a $850 million budget for the LAFD, you gotta wonder why no one has ever decided to do fire mitigation like this. Would it be the cities preventing it? Seems crazy that a desert environment with very little natural water sources and rain, and with millions of people would not look to mitigate fire damage. Surely goat grazing doesn't cost a lot. Better than prescribed fires in my opinion.
Agree the language is important. Especially the ratings of fires to convey the severity in a way that describes what is going to happen. “Extreme” doesn’t convey the severity, any conditions related to the Santa Ana wind phenomenon should be rated “catastrophic’.
Grassland burn...glad to learn Prarie Chickens are there...since having been recorded as extinct & reintroduced in UK. Thank you...stay safe.
You're cool!
Can u turn up volume on your commentary please. In Japan where we reside part of the time a good fire burn got out of hand some years ago at the base of Mt. Fuji. I was very surprised because the Japanese operate at such a high level of expertise especially when it comes to fire prevention, management and controls. I guess that is the risk nomatter how good you think you may be.
Frequent ,small fires . Also weed whacking.lol! ,,but fire regenerates and puts good nitrogen in the soil. It helps wildlife too in so many ways. I have stories,,but I will quit lol ! Thank you for educating people that just do not realize.
In terms of the percentages and ratios, I think I hear what you are saying is as equivalent to the NWS relay of humidity/precipitation in the 2010s. 40% or higher, and there is rain, lower than that had been subjective to variables & variance of both occurrence as well as human-based interpretation.
I am not a fairy shrimp, but I do have to be a little inquiet (a French word).
Can you / should you / do they do controlled burns in chaparral?
I wish he had video of burning chaparral… It’s the predominant vegetation in SoCal; I’m sure the hill around Chico should have it as well. I’ve only passed through there once. Had a Sierra Nevada pale ale with lunch.
People should know the speed on the Nebraska Prairie was speeded up!
Is there another native grass which we can plant to choke out the star thistle?
I live in southeast Kansas where in the spring they all burn the grazing land. I think too often. But what do you think?
What does a preemptive fire look like in a brush area?
Is most of the soil that got burned in the Palisades and Altadena fires sterilized now? How long will it take for brush to grow back?
Thanks for the info, but what about "controlled burns" that get out of hand? For instance, can you comment on the Los Alamos, NM wild fire of about 30 years ago that got out of control and burned into the town site and the Los Alamos National lab?
@@jimblacic That fire happened in the year 2000. I remember cause it's the year I got married and my husband's best man was living with us cause he had been evacuated from Los Alamos. I'm no expert, but I think the winds weren't favorable for a prescribed burn there.
@@jimblacic most burns don’t escape, and the ones that don’t rarely get much press. You can look up the actual stats online.
Maybe there should be a percent controlled that tells where there is active advancing fire.
Zeck I am concerned about Corning and redbluff and Anderson so maybe 🤔 you can help with your service please 🙏
How do you know for sure the replacement vegetation isn’t worse than the old one? I’m not going to blindly assume the new fuel is less flammable.
Right, in many geographies, invasive annual grasses can replace chaparral, increasing the potential rates of fire spread. Any controlled burn needs to consider the ecological effects.
What does it mean that an area you showed was prescribed burned and a year later a wild fire destroyed all the trees?
should I be able to see chat ? as a member
The chat can toggle on or off. So you probably had it in hidden mode somehow.
@@TheLookout1 Ok. all new for me. Thanks for superb information. I love what I am learning. Love the story telling. Interview with Tim Chavez rocked.
What’s the one in ventura now? Auto fire?
I don't think it's going anywhere - headed into a golf course and toward un-built land.
** use caption ** some noice by 8:00
Prescribed fire in grass, yes, forest, yes. But chaparral is the problem, right? Unless thinking has changed recently
Prescribed burn = preventative maintenance, correct?
Sorry, I know I’m not watching live. Do you have an estimate of how many miles of coast burned?
Do you give classes or training?
Now Oxnard? 👉 Once state and city officials *DARE* to _“Think The Unthinkable”,_ then the probability of spontaneous combustion / spontaneous ignition in now *multiple areas simultaneously,* often Many Miles Apart, becomes increasingly remote….
Won't grass grow back soon?
You're so Flip pied LOL!!!
G'day,
Kangaroo-feeder here, from the Endangered Species Sanctuary...
Today I added to my Uploads,
"Trumpocalypse Chronicle-5, Wildfires With Global Warming..."
Please feel free to backtrack me, to see the
Bushfire Fuelbomb within which I reside...;
And my 56,000 Litre, 3-Pump, 5 Sprinkler, 9 Hoses & 5 Nozzles worth of
Stay-&-Defend style of a
Fireplan...
And a brief look at the Spotfire I caught on the Driveway leading to my front Gate, 6 weeks or so ago (backscroll in my Videos to find the two Clips of that...)
Together with the
Antipodean view of whereinat the USA has voted to be led
Astray...
Your choice,
I may be the Fool on the Hill, but I be not quite as silly as I look (!).
Such is life,
Have a good one.....
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
💞
I wish these dumb talking heads on social media like the owner of twitter would truly LISTEN to people like you to understand 'the limits of firefighting' like you said.
Cant hear you over the motor!
What?
Have you been able to study Australian Aboriginal fire technology ?
I bet you've got lots more viewers recently. Hope they learn something. So much misinformation on fb.
normalize your volume
You mentioned the bladder bags near the end of your presentation. The rumor mill had it that the fire crews were so bereft of dollars that crews were reduced to using their wives’ purses and handbags. Social media disinformation, at its finest (sarcasm intended)
All mighty ALLAH Azzawajalla help those people's
Common sense & colored pencils , learning
I can't see my first long ,,great comment?
YT has auto delete that deletes any comments it deems ‘controversial’. It doesn’t take much at all to get removed. Speaking about political or sciencey stuff is often removed..
Was it during the chat or after, as a comment?
@@TheLookout1 After
Do you believe that CA has mismanaged the forests and is to blame for these fires?
This ain't no forest. Furthermore, the feds own the great bulk of public lands.
CA has mismanaged our forests, but these fires weren't burning in forests, rather in shrublands/chaparral. The type of vegetation is really important when we talk about how specific places should be managed.
Fox News needs to show the actual fuels burning in these large fires that burn down whole communities. They show burning houses and long distance shots of mountainsides and ridges, but not the burning grasses, decorative shrubs, and chaparral in any meaningful way, then go on with their chatter about forest mismanagement.
I always ask my Fox watching neighbors, “did you see any actual forest burning?”
Not here in Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernardino, or L.A. Counties; they didn’t.
@@TheLookout1 Also, many forest fires in California are in National Forests that are under federal (mis)management.
Your title said “Now that the fire is out.” No mention of containment. That’s click bait, sir.
He explained what he meant during the video. So, not click bait.
@@big_beakIf your title says one thing and the explanation is diametrically opposite that’s click bait. Very definition
Prescribed fire has no place in SOCAL. If you think so, you clearly don't understand our ecosystem.
Thanks!