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No, the most important lesson here that even you fail to realize, is no dogma or ideology of any kind, as much as possible, when doing martial arts. Every martial arts, and every combat sports has a lot of egos and a lot of dogmatism and purism, especially back in Bruce Lee's days having to deal with strong conformity bias and group think in almost every martial arts Dojo, not limited to Tai Chi! But notice this! That dogmatism and ideology also includes false skepticism, rationality, materialism, scientism, determinism, even atheism. Notice how most people who are skeptical and doubt Tai Chi, also have weaponized that same attitude but don't realize how they too are also dogmatic and ideological in ALWAYS trying to doubt and be skeptical. THAT'S THE GREATEST LESSON IN ALL THIS DOGMA! No dogma and ideology of any kind if possible.
The reason this is nonsense is because anyone intelligent knows that if you dedicate yourself to enough styles, there is a point where there is no such thing as Tai Chi or boxing. Anyone who thinks there is no Peng, An, Lu, Ji in boxing has no martial experience whatsoever. As Da Vinci said, people of talent tend to see the connections between things, whereas the mediocre see everything as separate. The Taoists were observing how movement worked from a philosophical standpoint, just as boxers were looking from the standpoint of science. To say that paths lead in the same general direction is not trite. Boxing could quite easily be called ‘Tai Chi which actually works in a no BS empirical fashion’ since Yin Yang, Peng, An, Lu, Ji, Cai, Lie etc are all in it and Tai Chi can be called ‘philosophical boxing which works if you really have a feel for it’. Remember what Da Vinci said folks, and you will get less stupid.
If tai chi actually studied Mike Tyson they might realize his power generation is very internal and follows many chen principles. Hes not particularly big or tall in his weight class but makes up for it with a pure kinetic upwards drive train.
The ancient Taoists would have been less dogmatic than the modern ones. They would meet Tyson and be very interested that someone from another culture was working on the same principles as they are, from a slightly different paradigm, and really making it work.
@@tommckellen342 I agree. However, in Tyson's case, as we see in clips of him trying and failing to coach and teach others, so much of his impressive ability is natural talent/gift. Genetics and intuition. But yeah, aspects of his root and torque and stuff could still be analysed, eh.
All the fighters that made taijiquan famous 150 years ago were boxers, bodyguards and soldiers who knew how to fight BEFORE they learned taijiquan, then they understood how to apply the principles in combat....thise fighters inspired the elite to learn taiji, they wete never going to fight so they weren't taught how, just form and push hands. They went on to spread taiji and todays taijiquan practitioner's mostly come from these non fighting lines, of course they hear about their founders teacher was a famous fighter and assume they have those skills....they dont.
I felt the same way. Remember Fred Ettish who returned 15 years later at age 53 to win a first round TKO in his second and final match. The Tai Chi guy might be too old to compete, but I think he could still choose a path of redemption.
Just wanted to comment on the Tai Chi Gu guy at 10:58, I've trained a few different martial arts since I was a child, and I've had amateur muay thai and mma matches during my early adult years. I used the muay thai long guard a lot during sparring and matches, it is a distance management tool, I especially likes to switch to orthodox ( i am southpaw) to have my lead hand be my power side for jabs and counterpunching. It's also a very good tool just to break an aggressive opponent or to catch a kick, so having a dead lead arm is not the problem, it's that he doesn't really use it at all. You see this in a lot of "martial art masters", they have never been threatened physically before, and don't hold up under pressure. I suspect he might have bunched Mike Tyson and mayweather together as in his eyes they might just be "western boxers", and the long guard is a potent tool to stop a charge by transitioning into it from shell guard when the opponent charges in. Tai Chi has its usage but Kungfu Panda's ultimate move isn't it.
I guess taichi guys might say they like wrestling and kickboxing, but they don't get why Americans don't spend time on a shooting range for self defense. And if they want to dabble in now out-moded self defense and martial approaches, they don't opt for swords and spears.
Tai-chi is not out-moded self defense, it's a style that forgot all parts of fighting . This tai-chi is not suited for fight. That's all. It doesn't learn to anticipate and escape an assault, it doesn't learn how to manage hurts, it doesn't learn anymore how to hit quickly and strongly. It's no use today in fight.
Ancient masters who founded these disciplines all cross trained as well. Ip Man did wing Chun, then shuai Joao, then a cousin of tan tui. Di Guoyung studied Xingyi for striking, Bagua and shuai Jiao for a solid wrestling base. No matter who you look at, if they had a good fighting reputation, they'd have cross trained.
And several traditional kung fu styles are combinations of several styles. Hung Ga took from Tibetan White Crane, Choy Lee Fut is a melding of Choy, Lee, and Fut styles, etc.
No offense to Xu's student, he performed admirably. But quite obviously Tyson even in his old age or Mayweather at any point up until and including today would literally murder that guy. And kung fu genius there thinks he could still beat Tyson and Mayweather afterlosing to a hobbyist student? 😂😂😂
@@FightCommentary Thanks man, but I just realized that AutoCorrect got me and instead of saying he performed admirably I said he performed adorably! 😂😂😂. Fixed it now though.
Only been subscribed and watching a few days, but I've already learned ALOT. Here's my current theory and thoughts. I have no opinion on whether Tai Chi, Taijiquan, Wing Chun, or Hung Gar for street fighting in comparison to boxing, kick-boxing, Tae Kwan Do, Karate, Jujitsu, BJJ, MMA, etc. That being said, every fighting match has rules, and the fighting systems are designed to maximize their effectiveness IN THOSE RULES. For instance, Xu Xiaodong insists his students have to get to wear headgear, mouthpieces, and gloves. And probably cups. They are trained to use those devices to help them, including taking a punch with less chance of damage, being able to hit bony face structures with more power with no fear of breaking a knuckle, etc. Wing Chun includes eye gouging or at least pokes in the eye. I've seen some Hung Gar that goes immediately from deflecting a punch to an arm lock and a kick designed to blow out a knee. These are all illegal in any boxing match or MMA fight, and for good reason: you want a competition, not to cripple your opponent. But Wing Chun and Hung Gar are about winning street fights, right? Not about rules. So force Xu Xiaodong to fight without gloves or other protective gear, and he might have to restrict himself to body blows, and thus open himself up more to Wing Chun (or Hung Gar) counterstrikes. Or if his eye gets poked, he can't even see to fight. But maybe not. I've never seen TCMA used in a street fight to know how good any of them really are. I know you definitely don't have to time to put on your gloves, put in your mouthpiece, put your cup into place, and get your headgear on when someone loses their temper and tries to fight you at the bar. So Xu Xiaodong is using their ego to goad the TCMA masters into fighting where MMA has *ALL* the advantages and cannot encounter anything they aren't trained for. All that being said, it seems to me like TCMA really is best for fighting someone who isn't trained in any martial arts. Because the TCMA all seems to work best with turning an attackers strike against them, dodging the strike and then counterattacking behind an overextension. A trained fighter isn't going to make an overextended strike in the first place. And that's why all the TCMA fighters do so poorly, I think, in the sparring matches. Their training is optimized for the rules, and their opponent keeps their distance, which nullifies ALL the joint locks, joint breaks, quick reaction strikes, etc. Wing Chun, specifically, is designed to put power into strikes that you don't have a full wind-up. But not so much power that you break your ungloved hand. But enough power to hurt a head or mouth without protective gear. I think Hung Gar, Tai Chi, and northern Shaolin are all similar, although maybe Northern Shaolin is a little more concerned with ranged attacks. Here's where my ignorance comes in: why don't the Wing Chun and Tai chi masters try to close the distance and get inside the guard. If someone is trying to kick you, the safest place is out of range. The 2nd best place is closest to the pivot point (the knee or the hip, depending), because there's less power there. Then you can use the quick chained hits to throw them off balance, grab an elbow from a punch attempting to create separation, and throw the guy with arm bar. But maybe that's simply impossible against any trained fighter who knows he can hit harder with his gloves AND take a lighter TCMA slap with his head and mouth gear, so he can always keep the TCMA from getting to hand slap proximity. Okay, tell me where I'm wrong.
I'm personally not a martial arts practitioner, so do take my response with a grain of salt. I feel like you're focusing too much on the individual techniques and quirks of each TCMA style without addressing the core issue with so many of their current practitioners, which is that a lack of sparring and other forms of pressure testing has left them with a disparate collection of techniques without the core attributes which bind ALL combat arts together, such as distance management and timing. It doesn't matter if WC has an eye gouge technique (even if ignoring just how hard eye attacks are to land against a moving and responding opponent) if the way WC tends to be practiced by the majority of its users doesn't lend to them developing the timing and fight IQ to initiate or land such a blow in the first place. These "crippling" techniques also have the rather unfortunate attribute where they are next to impossible to consistently practice against actively resisting opponents, in turn making them harder to pull off in the heat of any confrontation where often times split-second muscle memory derived from countless hours of sparring and competition overrides slower rational thought. Theory is all well and good, but putting it into practice in stressful situations takes practice. Take driving a car for example. Realistically, the most familiar any of us will be to all the rules of the road is right before or during the part where we take the road knowledge test (or whatever equivalent) to get a license because we would have been studying the rules specifically for that moment. I would assume, however, that 99.99% of drivers would NOT consider their best driving to have taken place as a novice driver. These TCMA masters we see getting beaten up may very well be masters of their particular art, but they are novices at the act of fighting. A boxer may not be able to put their headgear or gloves on during a sudden street situation, but they damn well still have their footwork, timing, distance management, and accuracy honed through constant sparring against opponents who are trying to hit them back to put them at a relative advantage assuming weapons aren't involved. This is why we see boxers stopping people out with head or body punches in street fights, this is why we see BJJ practitioners submitting attackers in real life situations. These sport combat arts may be designed for specific rulesets, but the method of practice lends to their practitioners actually being able to execute their techniques in the chaos of a fight.
The reason why you must train in or with other martial arts was implied by Sun Tzu in Art of War, “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
well there don't seam like they know the first thing about boxing outside of a rocky movie funny you never hear anything about George Benton or joe calzaghe. guess the real ones know
I agree on all points and I love tai chi so nothing at all against it. Now any style including boxing for someone to say he would go against a world champion boxer is insane.. Most who would say such a thing would not even be able to stand up to an average amateur club fighter. See what made the world champion boxer is not only that he put in X amount of time in training because many will also put in the same amount of training if not even more, it is that that particular individual had a God given gift that was enhanced by his training which brought him up to that level.. Maybe he can take a harder beating from an opponent, is faster, and so on.. The fastest runner in the world many will train just as hard but..
You nailed it jerry. Relying in a single discipline is just foolish. Like you said, learn different styles and meld them together to make use of what works for you. No one style is outright better than all the rest. Of course, this is just my opinion, but most successful fighters have studied more than one style.
@Fight Commentary Breakdowns I live in Shanghai where I know some Chen style Taiji people that also train Muay Thai and Sanda to help supplement their Taiji. I have seen them spar before and successfully use Taiji in an MMA format. I just want you to know that none of them subscribe to the views of this supposed “master” and that he is not in any way knowledgeable about his “own” art. Keep going with the content, and I’m always waiting for new vids!
Saying Tai Chi can defeat someone is like saying Boxing or Basketball can defeat someone. It's not the art but the practitioner that can do the defeating. I've seen good, combat applicable Tai Chi. It works. As for certain Tai Chi masters claims, I'm quite skeptical. They don't practice like the old days in regular life or death fights.
TAI CHI IS NOT BEATING ANYONE, ITS A WHOLE LOT OF NONSENSE TAI CHI IS ONLY A DANCE OR GOOD FOR FICTIONAL STAGED REHEARSED SCRIPTED KUNG-FU MOVIES. GEORGE FOREMAN COULD EASILY BEAT 10 TAI CHI FIGHTERS AT ONCE WITH ONE ARM BEHIND HIS BACK. WAKE UP YOU CLOWN 🤡 OR DO YOU STILL BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS 🤡
@@Purwapada ohhhhh you're one of "those" people, I suppose you also think that aikido is the ultimate combat system. And if Thi Chi is nothing to do with meditation, why is it also called meditation in motion 🤷
@@legion162 And you're one of "those" people who hasn't got an ounce of grey matter in your whole carcass. So how am I wrong? How is creating a lever on almost any part of the body, from almost any position useless? - for Aikido I know nothing about it so I dont talk about it. Unlike you who talks about things you dont know, (just saying, no hard feelings)
@@legion162 jokes aside, the people who say tai chi is moving meditation dont know what they're talking about. There is no historical basis for that claim.
No, the most important lesson here that even you fail to realize, is no dogma or ideology of any kind, as much as possible, when doing martial arts. Every martial arts, and every combat sports has a lot of egos and a lot of dogmatism and purism, especially back in Bruce Lee's days having to deal with strong conformity bias and group think in almost every martial arts Dojo, not limited to Tai Chi! But notice this! That dogmatism and ideology also includes false skepticism, rationality, materialism, scientism, determinism, even atheism. Notice how most people who are skeptical and doubt Tai Chi, also have weaponized that same attitude but don't realize how they too are also dogmatic and ideological in ALWAYS trying to doubt and be skeptical. THAT'S THE GREATEST LESSON IN ALL THIS DOGMA! No dogma and ideology of any kind if possible.
"30 years of research to make Taiji is practical." Pretty sure he cried at night after this fight. That's the result of feeding yourself with a delusion for years. I've seen a real practical Taiji, and more than half of it doesn't look like Taiji at all in a real situation. It has a principal and essence of Taiji, but for sure, it is not the same as in a traditional demonstration.
Push hands and tai chi are both great. I credit them for helping my 80 year old mom regain her mobility, balance, and strength. So I learn both to make sure I age well, but I have always trained in BJJ and Thai boxing.
oooh Xu has a similar scar to mine, I had some bone and tendons removed and attached to my shoulder to stop it from dislocating, it REALLY messes with your arm muscles for several months. On the bright side my shoulder feels more secure than it has in 15 years!
I'm not much of a fighter, but as I recall, rootedness is fundamental in Taichi. Master Gu kept losing his root. Years ago, a friend of mine showed me some of his 'gongfu', but I don’t know much about boxing. To be honest, I probably will never be able to test what little skills I have because I learned to be ruthless against any violent aggressors, to pretend to not be able to fight, not display any flowery movements, watch for an opening, step in and take out the aggressor as quickly and efficiently as possible. I don't have much sparring experience, but at least I have a better chance against any unskilled miscreants that may mess with me while I'm out and about, but enough about me. I have been thinking all these years that Chen village 'taijiquan' is very effective for self-defense and fighting, but it seems that the boxing rules would hinder its effectiveness. I wonder what style of taichi master Gu practices.
I don’t think internal martial arts are as freeform/generalized as your likening it to Bruce Lee’s quote makes it out to be. As I understand it, IMAs train some structures and muscle recruitment that differ substantially from the modern sport style stacking of efforts. But those IMA techniques are also pretty well prescribed
Wrestlers, judokas etc, also comply when they exercise. Otherwise one cannot explore new things. Difference is the various levels of compliance in various forms of exercise. Thus, randori or shiai are not just tests of techniques but tests of skill.
If you lost try to evolve as a warrior and accept defeat. Stop using this Tai Chi Ballet and train a style that is useful for real fights like Kickboxing, Boxing or Muay Thai.
"real fight" there are morvariables between sparring than there are between "real" and "not real" fights. but of course people like you never listen to logic or reasoning
0:00 *ALL* of this is predicated on a Tai Chi practitioner who is actually skilled enough and athletic enough to do this, and *EVEN BEFORE ALL THAT* it is predicated on Tai Chi *ACTUALLY WORKING !¡! ¡!¡ !¡!*
Some chess openings are bad. But magnus will still beat me in anyone of them. If i use good openings I have the best chance. My view on the fighter vs style points
Im glad some ppl are fighting back against b.s. fight culture and king fu. There is so many effective styles it blows my mind that ppl would waste so much time training in bullshido
If he wants to beat boxing with tai chi, that's fine, no problem. More power to him. Maybe he'll succeed. But...if he's going to do it he needs to fight against boxers with tai chi, not go back to sticky hands against other tai chi practitoners.
I remember every moment! Time was all we had until the day. We said goodbye. I remember every moment of those endless summer nights! Welp 25 years later and no Tai-chi BJJ hybrid.🥺🤷♂️
Tyson is lucky he's facing only that Paul guy. Against this Tai Chi master- no chance! But I don't think Tyson will ever accept this challenge. He has learnt his lesson after getting beat up by that Wing Chun tenant he had.
10:59 unless your name is George Foreman who has an iron chin and ridiculous punching power, that technique won't stop any boxer especially the pros. wasnt that how Old Foreman fight plus with cross guard...i might be mistaken
I don't know if traditional martial arts are useful for fighting or not, but the traditional martial artist is always older, with less physical condition and with little predisposition to aggressiveness. The main thing is that they are not people who like to fight. I don't know why try to take on people who are fighting all the time.
IMO Tai Chi, whatever style of Tai Chi, chi gong or even Bagua Zheng can beat boxing, in terms of having deeper relaxation skills and even moving around chi better whereas in boxing you are stressed out most of the time, it's not fun or relaxing to do, and sometimes there's too much cardio that cortisol flows far more around the human body when boxing or doing other western combat sports and their emphasis on external training methods. But in context to fighting and violent combat yes Tai Chi's not that effective, in fact most of the Tai Chi patterns are wrestling postures and grappling actually, all designed to off balance a standing armed opponent because stand up back then was far more important than grappling or going to the ground because of huge disadvantages if someone has top position on you..
I did Shotokan b a few years. None of the schools , whether White Tiger or any other exotic named schools prepares anyone to take punches to the face. None. A boxer is trained by repeatedly enduring physical trauma. Big difference. One hit to the noggin and the so called 'Master' is going down.
How old is this Tai Chi master? Cuz, if he said he's had boxing training before (hopefully in the more Western sense), as a professional who's been in it for 30 years, you'd think he knows how to prepare. I mean... look at Mike Tyson. Albeit, maybe a bit longer due to old age, he still knows how to condition himself. 🤷♂ Edit: (At around 5:57) I wonder if that's the difference between the Western concept of sparring vs their concept of sparring. We know that if we're sparring, we're just pulling our punches to about maybe less than 50%. Whereas, with them, I wonder if they interpret "sparring" as stepping into the ring to take off heads. But even then, that doesn't explain the poor performance. 😅
This tai chi master will be seeing stars before the first 5 secs. Masters of late are starting to talk nonsense. Tyson is a boxer. If you encounter a boxer in a fight, the best way win is to run.
The biggest problem with all this is none of these Tai Chi guys got the real teaching lol. Yang Shao Hou, for instance, couldn't keep students because he would knock them out and hurt them. Only a handful wanted to stay and learn to absorb the abuse and fight back lol. In the olden days, Taijiquan had fast explosive forms and sparred full contact. Push hands wasn't a competition or sport, it was only sensitivity training and not their main training. They literally fought and hit each other and threw each other. And sparred against other martial artists from other schools.
No, the green guy has the right idea about Tai Chi here: it's a form of Chinese wrestling back then, considering the pull and push hands and some of the patterns are actually arm drags and under hooks. Just that it's from Chinese culture and not Greek or western style of wrestling. He's right about that! Also, what's the issue of the green guy wanting compliance from the wrestler??? He's demonstrating his Tai Chi techniques in front of his class! Most Dojos and trainers and coaches expect upfront compliance if and when those instructors and coaches are demonstrating a Judo, Jiujitsu, wrestling or other fighting technique, so some reasonable compliance for the demonstration of a movement is needed. Like WHAT?! Dude it's fine to pick on some McDojo type of martial arts but don't let that ruin your common sense!🤣
I've studied MANY martial arts....saying Tai chi is a good for for self defense is a complete lie to one's self. So many better arts out there for that. T-c has its place... in a fight is not that place.
I dont think it's fair to say tai chi people should just learn boxing instead of trying to make tai chi work. I mean if everyone thought that way there would only be BJJ left after everyone got their asses whooped during UFC1. We certainly wouldn't have karate being used in combat sport.
I feel tai chi is more useful then people think but a lot of it has been lost but to say they can defeat Tyson or Mayweather is some complete delusion. Masters in their craft in the competitive arena. There are no true masters of Tai chi in a competitive level and if they where it doesnt compare to modern martial arts and i say this as a traditional martial arts guy.
Boxing pays millions of dollars if you can Box in the Professional level do it show your skills to the World and gets rich, 99,9% of masters can't box that's why they are poor.
Push hands is more like meditation, a great way to defeat insomnia. As exciting as watching grass grow and so beneficial as a form of exercise Its kinda of fake & slightly homo erotic :)
Z Dog is doing China a great service and yet the CCP punished him. Z dog has shown that Shuai Jiao and Sanda are Kung fu'' worth mastering. Think of Billy Robinson, Kano, and Sumo players of the past. Effective combatives that changed the world at the time when the ''Do'' became the ''Waza'', the end of the Edo. 👊
I think even now the Western Tai Chi players are way too dogmatic. For anyone who teaches and practices in the U.S they should easily be cross training with wrestlers and other japanese grappling systems. The guy in the green shirt should have said I'm trying to teach a class so I need you to go with it for the purpose of educating the class to understand the principles. But if you want to go freestyle then stay behind and lets play... The problem I have with these classes is their syllabus is trying to teach them the advanced stuff from day one without understanding the reality of real pressure. A good friend of mine who is a lot older has a background of western boxing and he fought in amateurs. Also kickboxing a bit later on in the late 70's. Took up Wing Chun during the 80's and eventually Chen Style Tai Chi to understand the internal training aspect with yin yang principles. Through research and dialogues, he understands that Chen family Tai Chi was nothing like it is today. It is a form of chinese wrestling that was born out of the open hand fighting of the chinese military army. But there is no combativeness to the art anymore. Just attracts a certain type of practitioner. Anyway I will stick up for Tai Chi in the sense that it makes a good supplementary art. Like Wing Chun it shouldn't be your first ever martial art, just so you don't get caught out by the clubs that don't spar
@@FightCommentary yep video on RUclips is called: "Sun Yang (Chen Practical Method) Muay Thai fight (longer version)." Student of Master Chen Zhongua who cross trains Muay Thai. Lots of good tai chi throwing principles shown in the match. So it's fun to watch. (Its a must thai match and ruleset)
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Xu Xiao dong.. ill beat your face for free!
Yeah that injury looks nasty, doubt it's just a freak accident, maybe a hot burning blade and someone trying to attack and stabbed his shoulder.
No, the most important lesson here that even you fail to realize, is no dogma or ideology of any kind, as much as possible, when doing martial arts. Every martial arts, and every combat sports has a lot of egos and a lot of dogmatism and purism, especially back in Bruce Lee's days having to deal with strong conformity bias and group think in almost every martial arts Dojo, not limited to Tai Chi! But notice this! That dogmatism and ideology also includes false skepticism, rationality, materialism, scientism, determinism, even atheism. Notice how most people who are skeptical and doubt Tai Chi, also have weaponized that same attitude but don't realize how they too are also dogmatic and ideological in ALWAYS trying to doubt and be skeptical. THAT'S THE GREATEST LESSON IN ALL THIS DOGMA! No dogma and ideology of any kind if possible.
The reason this is nonsense is because anyone intelligent knows that if you dedicate yourself to enough styles, there is a point where there is no such thing as Tai Chi or boxing. Anyone who thinks there is no Peng, An, Lu, Ji in boxing has no martial experience whatsoever. As Da Vinci said, people of talent tend to see the connections between things, whereas the mediocre see everything as separate. The Taoists were observing how movement worked from a philosophical standpoint, just as boxers were looking from the standpoint of science. To say that paths lead in the same general direction is not trite. Boxing could quite easily be called ‘Tai Chi which actually works in a no BS empirical fashion’ since Yin Yang, Peng, An, Lu, Ji, Cai, Lie etc are all in it and Tai Chi can be called ‘philosophical boxing which works if you really have a feel for it’. Remember what Da Vinci said folks, and you will get less stupid.
@@danielnelson3136 I think that's a surgery scar
It's good that Xu Xiaodong lets his underlings take on challengers first. He's like a kung-fu movie villain.
So true!
Mike Tyson: so anyways i start biting ears off
Ear Nibbling Style.
He sounds like a overconfident wizard in a Conan the barbarian story right before Conan chops his head off
I've never seen either live action adaptation, so looks like Conan the Barbarian is on my to-watch list!
If tai chi actually studied Mike Tyson they might realize his power generation is very internal and follows many chen principles. Hes not particularly big or tall in his weight class but makes up for it with a pure kinetic upwards drive train.
And not just his power generation! His ability to absorb force as well!
The ancient Taoists would have been less dogmatic than the modern ones. They would meet Tyson and be very interested that someone from another culture was working on the same principles as they are, from a slightly different paradigm, and really making it work.
@@tommckellen342 I agree. However, in Tyson's case, as we see in clips of him trying and failing to coach and teach others, so much of his impressive ability is natural talent/gift. Genetics and intuition. But yeah, aspects of his root and torque and stuff could still be analysed, eh.
Depends if you know what to look for or not.
All the fighters that made taijiquan famous 150 years ago were boxers, bodyguards and soldiers who knew how to fight BEFORE they learned taijiquan, then they understood how to apply the principles in combat....thise fighters inspired the elite to learn taiji, they wete never going to fight so they weren't taught how, just form and push hands. They went on to spread taiji and todays taijiquan practitioner's mostly come from these non fighting lines, of course they hear about their founders teacher was a famous fighter and assume they have those skills....they dont.
Makes a lot of sense!
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Awesome, thank you!
i feel kinda bad for the green shirt tai chi guy. cant feel good to get a rude awakening like that at such an old age
Yep.
If you’re able to talk the Talk, then you better be able to walk the walk
I felt the same way. Remember Fred Ettish who returned 15 years later at age 53 to win a first round TKO in his second and final match. The Tai Chi guy might be too old to compete, but I think he could still choose a path of redemption.
Tai Chi Quan just isn’t taught as a self defense by most instructors.
So you're saying a Tai Chi Quan practitioner who trained purely in a form focused on self-defense could beat Mike Tyson?
@@The_Captainn No they couldn’t beat a wet paper bag and I’m a Tai chi Quan student. If you just train forms you can’t fight.
Just wanted to comment on the Tai Chi Gu guy at 10:58, I've trained a few different martial arts since I was a child, and I've had amateur muay thai and mma matches during my early adult years. I used the muay thai long guard a lot during sparring and matches, it is a distance management tool, I especially likes to switch to orthodox ( i am southpaw) to have my lead hand be my power side for jabs and counterpunching. It's also a very good tool just to break an aggressive opponent or to catch a kick, so having a dead lead arm is not the problem, it's that he doesn't really use it at all.
You see this in a lot of "martial art masters", they have never been threatened physically before, and don't hold up under pressure. I suspect he might have bunched Mike Tyson and mayweather together as in his eyes they might just be "western boxers", and the long guard is a potent tool to stop a charge by transitioning into it from shell guard when the opponent charges in. Tai Chi has its usage but Kungfu Panda's ultimate move isn't it.
I like tai chi. But I don't get why they just don't pick up wrestling and go back to tai chi and make it work like it's supposed too
I guess taichi guys might say they like wrestling and kickboxing, but they don't get why Americans don't spend time on a shooting range for self defense. And if they want to dabble in now out-moded self defense and martial approaches, they don't opt for swords and spears.
Tai-chi is not out-moded self defense, it's a style that forgot all parts of fighting . This tai-chi is not suited for fight. That's all. It doesn't learn to anticipate and escape an assault, it doesn't learn how to manage hurts, it doesn't learn anymore how to hit quickly and strongly. It's no use today in fight.
@@pierrickdubras8303 that's what I'm saying. They learn to wrestle and go back and improve tai chi
@@Erime what???
Because similar as the akido guy, they realise its better to just stick to wrestling in its totality.
Ancient masters who founded these disciplines all cross trained as well.
Ip Man did wing Chun, then shuai Joao, then a cousin of tan tui.
Di Guoyung studied Xingyi for striking, Bagua and shuai Jiao for a solid wrestling base.
No matter who you look at, if they had a good fighting reputation, they'd have cross trained.
And several traditional kung fu styles are combinations of several styles. Hung Ga took from Tibetan White Crane, Choy Lee Fut is a melding of Choy, Lee, and Fut styles, etc.
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It's always the disciples who doesn't spar that thinks they don't need sparring
Then they meet a dude with 1 year of boxing and he eats thier lunch.
@@PentaRaus boxing casual spotted
No offense to Xu's student, he performed admirably. But quite obviously Tyson even in his old age or Mayweather at any point up until and including today would literally murder that guy. And kung fu genius there thinks he could still beat Tyson and Mayweather afterlosing to a hobbyist student? 😂😂😂
Exactly
@@FightCommentary Thanks man, but I just realized that AutoCorrect got me and instead of saying he performed admirably I said he performed adorably! 😂😂😂. Fixed it now though.
He did perform adorably too 🤓😝
Only been subscribed and watching a few days, but I've already learned ALOT.
Here's my current theory and thoughts.
I have no opinion on whether Tai Chi, Taijiquan, Wing Chun, or Hung Gar for street fighting in comparison to boxing, kick-boxing, Tae Kwan Do, Karate, Jujitsu, BJJ, MMA, etc.
That being said, every fighting match has rules, and the fighting systems are designed to maximize their effectiveness IN THOSE RULES.
For instance, Xu Xiaodong insists his students have to get to wear headgear, mouthpieces, and gloves. And probably cups. They are trained to use those devices to help them, including taking a punch with less chance of damage, being able to hit bony face structures with more power with no fear of breaking a knuckle, etc.
Wing Chun includes eye gouging or at least pokes in the eye. I've seen some Hung Gar that goes immediately from deflecting a punch to an arm lock and a kick designed to blow out a knee. These are all illegal in any boxing match or MMA fight, and for good reason: you want a competition, not to cripple your opponent. But Wing Chun and Hung Gar are about winning street fights, right? Not about rules.
So force Xu Xiaodong to fight without gloves or other protective gear, and he might have to restrict himself to body blows, and thus open himself up more to Wing Chun (or Hung Gar) counterstrikes. Or if his eye gets poked, he can't even see to fight.
But maybe not. I've never seen TCMA used in a street fight to know how good any of them really are.
I know you definitely don't have to time to put on your gloves, put in your mouthpiece, put your cup into place, and get your headgear on when someone loses their temper and tries to fight you at the bar. So Xu Xiaodong is using their ego to goad the TCMA masters into fighting where MMA has *ALL* the advantages and cannot encounter anything they aren't trained for.
All that being said, it seems to me like TCMA really is best for fighting someone who isn't trained in any martial arts.
Because the TCMA all seems to work best with turning an attackers strike against them, dodging the strike and then counterattacking behind an overextension. A trained fighter isn't going to make an overextended strike in the first place.
And that's why all the TCMA fighters do so poorly, I think, in the sparring matches. Their training is optimized for the rules, and their opponent keeps their distance, which nullifies ALL the joint locks, joint breaks, quick reaction strikes, etc.
Wing Chun, specifically, is designed to put power into strikes that you don't have a full wind-up. But not so much power that you break your ungloved hand. But enough power to hurt a head or mouth without protective gear. I think Hung Gar, Tai Chi, and northern Shaolin are all similar, although maybe Northern Shaolin is a little more concerned with ranged attacks.
Here's where my ignorance comes in: why don't the Wing Chun and Tai chi masters try to close the distance and get inside the guard. If someone is trying to kick you, the safest place is out of range. The 2nd best place is closest to the pivot point (the knee or the hip, depending), because there's less power there. Then you can use the quick chained hits to throw them off balance, grab an elbow from a punch attempting to create separation, and throw the guy with arm bar.
But maybe that's simply impossible against any trained fighter who knows he can hit harder with his gloves AND take a lighter TCMA slap with his head and mouth gear, so he can always keep the TCMA from getting to hand slap proximity.
Okay, tell me where I'm wrong.
I'm personally not a martial arts practitioner, so do take my response with a grain of salt. I feel like you're focusing too much on the individual techniques and quirks of each TCMA style without addressing the core issue with so many of their current practitioners, which is that a lack of sparring and other forms of pressure testing has left them with a disparate collection of techniques without the core attributes which bind ALL combat arts together, such as distance management and timing.
It doesn't matter if WC has an eye gouge technique (even if ignoring just how hard eye attacks are to land against a moving and responding opponent) if the way WC tends to be practiced by the majority of its users doesn't lend to them developing the timing and fight IQ to initiate or land such a blow in the first place. These "crippling" techniques also have the rather unfortunate attribute where they are next to impossible to consistently practice against actively resisting opponents, in turn making them harder to pull off in the heat of any confrontation where often times split-second muscle memory derived from countless hours of sparring and competition overrides slower rational thought.
Theory is all well and good, but putting it into practice in stressful situations takes practice. Take driving a car for example. Realistically, the most familiar any of us will be to all the rules of the road is right before or during the part where we take the road knowledge test (or whatever equivalent) to get a license because we would have been studying the rules specifically for that moment. I would assume, however, that 99.99% of drivers would NOT consider their best driving to have taken place as a novice driver. These TCMA masters we see getting beaten up may very well be masters of their particular art, but they are novices at the act of fighting. A boxer may not be able to put their headgear or gloves on during a sudden street situation, but they damn well still have their footwork, timing, distance management, and accuracy honed through constant sparring against opponents who are trying to hit them back to put them at a relative advantage assuming weapons aren't involved. This is why we see boxers stopping people out with head or body punches in street fights, this is why we see BJJ practitioners submitting attackers in real life situations. These sport combat arts may be designed for specific rulesets, but the method of practice lends to their practitioners actually being able to execute their techniques in the chaos of a fight.
The reason why you must train in or with other martial arts was implied by Sun Tzu in Art of War, “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
Great use of Art of War!
Thanks for the breakdown!
Thanks for watching!
Why do so many of these guys fixate on Mike Tyson? Is he the only "famous" boxer who they know about?
Maybe it's just me but I think prime Tyson was the most efficient fighter ever.
well there don't seam like they know the first thing about boxing outside of a rocky movie funny you never hear anything about George Benton or joe calzaghe. guess the real ones know
Plus i think since mike tyson was in ip man 3, that hes a face for them.
@@justinhearst 100 percent. Tyson is a face known worldwide, like Ali before him.
He truly is one of the boxer of all time.
Mike the Tyson won't see this coming 😮
I agree on all points and I love tai chi so nothing at all against it. Now any style including boxing for someone to say he would go against a world champion boxer is insane.. Most who would say such a thing would not even be able to stand up to an average amateur club fighter. See what made the world champion boxer is not only that he put in X amount of time in training because many will also put in the same amount of training if not even more, it is that that particular individual had a God given gift that was enhanced by his training which brought him up to that level.. Maybe he can take a harder beating from an opponent, is faster, and so on.. The fastest runner in the world many will train just as hard but..
You nailed it jerry. Relying in a single discipline is just foolish. Like you said, learn different styles and meld them together to make use of what works for you. No one style is outright better than all the rest. Of course, this is just my opinion, but most successful fighters have studied more than one style.
Были успешны, если один из стилей знали по-настоящему хорошо.
Exactly, i believe that even the sruff that is known for being "useless" like Wing Chun and Aikido, have their own place.
well said
it depends
like kickboxing you don't really need other style because it proven to be very effective on it's own
@@Frodokeuhkickboxing fighter without bjj skill will get choked out by an average bjj guy
@Fight Commentary Breakdowns I live in Shanghai where I know some Chen style Taiji people that also train Muay Thai and Sanda to help supplement their Taiji. I have seen them spar before and successfully use Taiji in an MMA format. I just want you to know that none of them subscribe to the views of this supposed “master” and that he is not in any way knowledgeable about his “own” art. Keep going with the content, and I’m always waiting for new vids!
Saying Tai Chi can defeat someone is like saying Boxing or Basketball can defeat someone. It's not the art but the practitioner that can do the defeating. I've seen good, combat applicable Tai Chi. It works. As for certain Tai Chi masters claims, I'm quite skeptical. They don't practice like the old days in regular life or death fights.
TAI CHI IS NOT BEATING ANYONE, ITS A WHOLE LOT OF NONSENSE TAI CHI IS ONLY A DANCE OR GOOD FOR FICTIONAL STAGED REHEARSED SCRIPTED KUNG-FU MOVIES.
GEORGE FOREMAN COULD EASILY BEAT 10 TAI CHI FIGHTERS AT ONCE WITH ONE ARM BEHIND HIS BACK. WAKE UP YOU CLOWN 🤡 OR DO YOU STILL BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS 🤡
I just want to know; what the hell was he researching in those 30 years?!
Another viewer made the same inquiry. I'm guessing a lot of compliance drills.
Yayaya, of course, Mr. Tai Chi Master!😉
Thi Chi is great for balance and meditation, beyond that it's useless
tai chi has nothing to do with meditation.
and no it not useless.
learning how to use mechanical rotations to make a lever is not "useless"
@@Purwapada ohhhhh you're one of "those" people, I suppose you also think that aikido is the ultimate combat system.
And if Thi Chi is nothing to do with meditation, why is it also called meditation in motion 🤷
@@legion162
And you're one of "those" people who hasn't got an ounce of grey matter in your whole carcass.
So how am I wrong? How is creating a lever on almost any part of the body, from almost any position useless?
- for Aikido I know nothing about it so I dont talk about it. Unlike you who talks about things you dont know, (just saying, no hard feelings)
@@legion162 jokes aside, the people who say tai chi is moving meditation dont know what they're talking about. There is no historical basis for that claim.
No, the most important lesson here that even you fail to realize, is no dogma or ideology of any kind, as much as possible, when doing martial arts. Every martial arts, and every combat sports has a lot of egos and a lot of dogmatism and purism, especially back in Bruce Lee's days having to deal with strong conformity bias and group think in almost every martial arts Dojo, not limited to Tai Chi! But notice this! That dogmatism and ideology also includes false skepticism, rationality, materialism, scientism, determinism, even atheism. Notice how most people who are skeptical and doubt Tai Chi, also have weaponized that same attitude but don't realize how they too are also dogmatic and ideological in ALWAYS trying to doubt and be skeptical. THAT'S THE GREATEST LESSON IN ALL THIS DOGMA! No dogma and ideology of any kind if possible.
"30 years of research to make Taiji is practical." Pretty sure he cried at night after this fight. That's the result of feeding yourself with a delusion for years. I've seen a real practical Taiji, and more than half of it doesn't look like Taiji at all in a real situation. It has a principal and essence of Taiji, but for sure, it is not the same as in a traditional demonstration.
Push hands and tai chi are both great. I credit them for helping my 80 year old mom regain her mobility, balance, and strength. So I learn both to make sure I age well, but I have always trained in BJJ and Thai boxing.
oooh Xu has a similar scar to mine, I had some bone and tendons removed and attached to my shoulder to stop it from dislocating, it REALLY messes with your arm muscles for several months.
On the bright side my shoulder feels more secure than it has in 15 years!
Yeah that injury looks nasty, doubt it's just a freak accident, maybe a hot burning blade and someone trying to attack and stabbed his shoulder.
Be like water my friend.
I'm not much of a fighter, but as I recall, rootedness is fundamental in Taichi. Master Gu kept losing his root. Years ago, a friend of mine showed me some of his 'gongfu', but I don’t know much about boxing. To be honest, I probably will never be able to test what little skills I have because I learned to be ruthless against any violent aggressors, to pretend to not be able to fight, not display any flowery movements, watch for an opening, step in and take out the aggressor as quickly and efficiently as possible. I don't have much sparring experience, but at least I have a better chance against any unskilled miscreants that may mess with me while I'm out and about, but enough about me. I have been thinking all these years that Chen village 'taijiquan' is very effective for self-defense and fighting, but it seems that the boxing rules would hinder its effectiveness. I wonder what style of taichi master Gu practices.
Lol this video is priceless 😂
Glad you like it!
I don’t think internal martial arts are as freeform/generalized as your likening it to Bruce Lee’s quote makes it out to be. As I understand it, IMAs train some structures and muscle recruitment that differ substantially from the modern sport style stacking of efforts. But those IMA techniques are also pretty well prescribed
Believe in Taichi as a martial art is like believing the force from star wars will work. IT DOES NOT......
You lack logic like a dumb kid.
You cant say 'X' doesn't work without 'Y'
The old Tai Chi that worked is no longer really taught anywhere. I've actually seen a bit of it. The Sifu will probably not be able to pass it on.
Wrestlers, judokas etc, also comply when they exercise. Otherwise one cannot explore new things. Difference is the various levels of compliance in various forms of exercise. Thus, randori or shiai are not just tests of techniques but tests of skill.
Xu Xiao Dong legacy deserves a movie 🎥
Yep
If you lost try to evolve as a warrior and accept defeat. Stop using this Tai Chi Ballet and train a style that is useful for real fights like Kickboxing, Boxing or Muay Thai.
"real fight"
there are morvariables between sparring than there are between "real" and "not real" fights.
but of course people like you never listen to logic or reasoning
tai chi vs mayweather? especially this old man? long guard? i'd give the match 2-3 seconds after they get close.
Mayweather made Corrales look like a fool, and Corrales had a 70" reach.
I'm putting that match on my to-watch list. Haven't seen that one yet.
@@FightCommentary And you should see what he did to Arturo Gatti. That man got beat down to his soul.
Hey dude I find some gold, bro a wing chun sifu is advice against chain punches.
Show me!
Push hands is great for warm up.
damn, you're a good singer
Thanks for watching until the end!
Your teeth look great
Thanks!
People like gu is why tai chi is hated on lol
Dude, you sing so well, then say the comments should only be about martial arts. Mixed message, if I'm honest.
Thanks for watching til the end!!
Tai chi guy looks like he retired
Can we see him challenging shi heng yi?
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*ALL* of this is predicated on a Tai Chi practitioner who is actually skilled enough and athletic enough to do this, and *EVEN BEFORE ALL THAT* it is predicated on Tai Chi *ACTUALLY WORKING !¡! ¡!¡ !¡!*
When do you think the more stress tested martial arts or mma will get more popular with the mainstream in China?
Give it 5 more years
Some chess openings are bad. But magnus will still beat me in anyone of them. If i use good openings I have the best chance. My view on the fighter vs style points
Great analogy! Talking about chess, I’ve been really studying Lucena Position.
@@FightCommentarysweet we should play chess together again. Maybe I’ll stream it sometime :) Chess Commentary Breakdowns
you have a good singing voice.
Thanks for watching until the end!
Im glad some ppl are fighting back against b.s. fight culture and king fu. There is so many effective styles it blows my mind that ppl would waste so much time training in bullshido
No, Floyd mostly deals not with every fighter, just boxers only for the most part.
Kung fu is best used in the movies.
Not. if kung fu is pressure tested and sparred it works perfectly, this guy shows real kung fu too but you’re too blind I guess
Tai Chi is a good low impact exercise, but not good for real world fighting.
Theoretical vs. Practical
Exactly
Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face .. Mike Tyson
Every normy says that.
I've read that quote literally 1000 times
@@Purwapada Agreed but here its relevant, I practiced martial arts and because of my job was involved in street fights, Tyson is right on this.
@@Purwapadait's almost like it's relevant?
Please please please stop repeating that old, tired, cliched, beat-to-death quote.
If he wants to beat boxing with tai chi, that's fine, no problem. More power to him. Maybe he'll succeed. But...if he's going to do it he needs to fight against boxers with tai chi, not go back to sticky hands against other tai chi practitoners.
I remember every moment! Time was all we had until the day. We said goodbye. I remember every moment of those endless summer nights!
Welp 25 years later and no Tai-chi BJJ hybrid.🥺🤷♂️
Idk why but I wanna see Qi La La (just using Wing Chun) he Xu Xiaodong, just wondering how long does he last just using Wing Chun
In his matches before 2016, he's using only wing chun. If you look at his channel, you'll find those bouts ;)
Tyson is lucky he's facing only that Paul guy. Against this Tai Chi master- no chance! But I don't think Tyson will ever accept this challenge. He has learnt his lesson after getting beat up by that Wing Chun tenant he had.
I still haven't seen that movie yet! Need to put it on my list of movies to watch!
@@FightCommentary watched it just to round up my Yip Man series and of course - to watch Iron Mike!
10:59 unless your name is George Foreman who has an iron chin and ridiculous punching power, that technique won't stop any boxer especially the pros. wasnt that how Old Foreman fight plus with cross guard...i might be mistaken
I don't know if traditional martial arts are useful for fighting or not, but the traditional martial artist is always older, with less physical condition and with little predisposition to aggressiveness. The main thing is that they are not people who like to fight. I don't know why try to take on people who are fighting all the time.
Amazing singing
Thank you! Work in progress!
Fight Singing breakdown 😅. But seriously, keep your day job!
Thanks for watching til the end!
IMO Tai Chi, whatever style of Tai Chi, chi gong or even Bagua Zheng can beat boxing, in terms of having deeper relaxation skills and even moving around chi better whereas in boxing you are stressed out most of the time, it's not fun or relaxing to do, and sometimes there's too much cardio that cortisol flows far more around the human body when boxing or doing other western combat sports and their emphasis on external training methods. But in context to fighting and violent combat yes Tai Chi's not that effective, in fact most of the Tai Chi patterns are wrestling postures and grappling actually, all designed to off balance a standing armed opponent because stand up back then was far more important than grappling or going to the ground because of huge disadvantages if someone has top position on you..
I did Shotokan b a few years.
None of the schools , whether White Tiger or any other exotic named schools prepares anyone to take punches to the face.
None.
A boxer is trained by repeatedly enduring physical trauma.
Big difference.
One hit to the noggin and the so called 'Master' is going down.
How old is this Tai Chi master? Cuz, if he said he's had boxing training before (hopefully in the more Western sense), as a professional who's been in it for 30 years, you'd think he knows how to prepare. I mean... look at Mike Tyson. Albeit, maybe a bit longer due to old age, he still knows how to condition himself. 🤷♂
Edit: (At around 5:57) I wonder if that's the difference between the Western concept of sparring vs their concept of sparring. We know that if we're sparring, we're just pulling our punches to about maybe less than 50%. Whereas, with them, I wonder if they interpret "sparring" as stepping into the ring to take off heads. But even then, that doesn't explain the poor performance. 😅
Great points!
This tai chi master will be seeing stars before the first 5 secs. Masters of late are starting to talk nonsense. Tyson is a boxer. If you encounter a boxer in a fight, the best way win is to run.
Master must've watch Ip Man 3 many many times.
Even Ip Man, as nationalistic and arrogant as those films were, still gave Tyson proper respect by fighting the main character to a draw.
The biggest problem with all this is none of these Tai Chi guys got the real teaching lol. Yang Shao Hou, for instance, couldn't keep students because he would knock them out and hurt them. Only a handful wanted to stay and learn to absorb the abuse and fight back lol. In the olden days, Taijiquan had fast explosive forms and sparred full contact. Push hands wasn't a competition or sport, it was only sensitivity training and not their main training. They literally fought and hit each other and threw each other. And sparred against other martial artists from other schools.
No, the green guy has the right idea about Tai Chi here: it's a form of Chinese wrestling back then, considering the pull and push hands and some of the patterns are actually arm drags and under hooks. Just that it's from Chinese culture and not Greek or western style of wrestling. He's right about that!
Also, what's the issue of the green guy wanting compliance from the wrestler??? He's demonstrating his Tai Chi techniques in front of his class! Most Dojos and trainers and coaches expect upfront compliance if and when those instructors and coaches are demonstrating a Judo, Jiujitsu, wrestling or other fighting technique, so some reasonable compliance for the demonstration of a movement is needed. Like WHAT?! Dude it's fine to pick on some McDojo type of martial arts but don't let that ruin your common sense!🤣
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the fathe"
-Mike Tyson
Taichi guy's 5 days of workout is equal to 1 day of Mike Tyson's pre-workout warm up! What a joke!
It's funny how many people in 2024 still believe in magic.
It depends on the Tai Chi master yes there are Tai Chi fighters in Tai Chi who can beat Mike Tyson and anybody
I've studied MANY martial arts....saying Tai chi is a good for for self defense is a complete lie to one's self. So many better arts out there for that. T-c has its place... in a fight is not that place.
The problem is, you are water in a bucket, and your opponent is a wrecking ball
Taichi guy wants to fall on a wrestler or BJJ guy and crush him? He should know he would be going into their territory and he would regret that.
I dont think it's fair to say tai chi people should just learn boxing instead of trying to make tai chi work. I mean if everyone thought that way there would only be BJJ left after everyone got their asses whooped during UFC1. We certainly wouldn't have karate being used in combat sport.
You need to start calling them “masters”.
Tyzon ok lets fight
Imagine if in a few years Tyson actually takes on one of these Masters!
@@FightCommentary “Gentlemen of the press get ready cause you’re about to witness the biggest news event of the year, live homocide!” -Divine
That would be manslaughter@@FightCommentary
I just wanna make these taichi guys who think they can beat boxers fight Duran. Even the old 70 years old Duran right now
Doing a video on Roberto Duran would be awesome! Good suggestion!
@@FightCommentary yeah bro!! that would be lit!! Duran applies some black hat tricks and very good grappling
I feel tai chi is more useful then people think but a lot of it has been lost but to say they can defeat Tyson or Mayweather is some complete delusion. Masters in their craft in the competitive arena. There are no true masters of Tai chi in a competitive level and if they where it doesnt compare to modern martial arts and i say this as a traditional martial arts guy.
.....fifth?
Yes, after Tyson will finish to punch him, it'll look like to fight against a water bag for him.
Boxing pays millions of dollars if you can Box in the Professional level do it show your skills to the World and gets rich, 99,9% of masters can't box that's why they are poor.
That isn’t a real Tai Chi Quan person.
Please go to China Got Talent
Stand up Comedy
🤣🤣🤣
Bro.. you're getting greedy with overloading your videos with ads...
RUclips inserts the ads. I don't have control (at least that I know of). How many ads did you see?
LMao, Mike Tyson in his Prime, unless they are a mirror image of Mike Tyson using Tai Chi then these guys getting smoked.
Push hands is more like meditation, a great way to defeat insomnia. As exciting as watching grass grow and so beneficial as a form of exercise Its kinda of fake & slightly homo erotic :)
Z Dog is doing China a great service and yet the CCP punished him. Z dog has shown that Shuai Jiao and Sanda are Kung fu'' worth mastering.
Think of Billy Robinson, Kano, and Sumo players of the past. Effective combatives that changed the world at the time when the ''Do'' became the ''Waza'', the end of the Edo. 👊
Nice singing
Thanks for watching until the end!
Honestly I think Mike Tyson could fight in water and still beat him
Likely!
Where is xu's gym? ... I'm gonna check it next time I'm in china
All it takes is an overhand right.....splat.
I think even now the Western Tai Chi players are way too dogmatic. For anyone who teaches and practices in the U.S they should easily be cross training with wrestlers and other japanese grappling systems.
The guy in the green shirt should have said I'm trying to teach a class so I need you to go with it for the purpose of educating the class to understand the principles. But if you want to go freestyle then stay behind and lets play...
The problem I have with these classes is their syllabus is trying to teach them the advanced stuff from day one without understanding the reality of real pressure. A good friend of mine who is a lot older has a background of western boxing and he fought in amateurs. Also kickboxing a bit later on in the late 70's. Took up Wing Chun during the 80's and eventually Chen Style Tai Chi to understand the internal training aspect with yin yang principles. Through research and dialogues, he understands that Chen family Tai Chi was nothing like it is today. It is a form of chinese wrestling that was born out of the open hand fighting of the chinese military army. But there is no combativeness to the art anymore. Just attracts a certain type of practitioner. Anyway I will stick up for Tai Chi in the sense that it makes a good supplementary art. Like Wing Chun it shouldn't be your first ever martial art, just so you don't get caught out by the clubs that don't spar
what the fvck 😂😂
Hi Jerry, I'm hoping you can make time to react to Sun Yang (tai chi) vs muay thai (I mentioned it a few months ago).
Tell me more!
@@FightCommentary yep video on RUclips is called: "Sun Yang (Chen Practical Method) Muay Thai fight (longer version)."
Student of Master Chen Zhongua who cross trains Muay Thai. Lots of good tai chi throwing principles shown in the match. So it's fun to watch.
(Its a must thai match and ruleset)
@@FightCommentary i did but the comment gets deleted
@@Purwapada I'll check the comment review cue.
@@FightCommentary ok thanks so much Jerry.