HEAD TO HEAD! - Pennsylvania Railroad / PRR S1 vs T1 (Trainz)
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
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The "Big Engine" of Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) S1 6-4-4-6 Duplex, a locomotive built for the 1939-40 World's Fair to show off all the cutting edge technologies of America at the time, racing head to head with the "practical version" of her, The PRR T1 #5500, the production version of PRR's last steam locomotive; she was the answer of PRR to the concept of "superpower" "Northern 4-8-4s" of the 1930s.
*The T1 in this simulator is using the default engine config file by the game developer. *S1's engine config file is adjusted base on the real S1's spec, figures like the boiler size, cylinder's volume, firebox size, total heating surface area, fire temperature and the number of cylinders etc with the help of many nice people from Classic Trains Magzine Forum. ( cs.trains.com/t... )
==If you are good at computer programming and computer simulation and willing to provide a more accurate engine config file to us, we are more than willing to do another race with different kinds of trains by using your engine config file for an even better result==
At the end of the video, it is also the end of the map, so I stopped recording once we know who is the winner. I have some content planned lined up to show others engines which are not PRR and NYCRR's train!
The winner in this race is PRR #6100 Class S1 --- 7200hp 6-4-4-6 Duplex Steam Locomotive
Top Speed reached by S1: 139mph (17:21)
Top Speed reached by T1: 125 mph (17:33)
BTW! In this video, the T1 and S1 were hauling the historically accurate consist of the 1943 Admiral and The Trail Blazer respectively, so the Admiral is a typical American style mixed consist.
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The S1 main crank pins were crank like a crank shaft towards the axle for a shorter stroke , + 84 inch drivers for the S1 against the T1 none cranked main and 80 inch drivers . The S1 was supposed do be able to produce 7000 up at 110 mph . On paper T1 was capable of 120 mph. ; S1 was capable of
153 mph . The world's first bullet train .
Love the air HORN. You can see it on the pilot on the engineers side right on the front cowl .
Thank you so much for the technical information of S1, Robert. S1 was definitely the world's first bullet train!
@@Jones3DModelingClub I really had to dig into the info about the main crank pins , it showed them cranked in some builder photos , it was accompanied with a video with a shop worker showing the installation of the pins into the main driver rims , than the tires , than a block of wood placed on the pin to protect them until the rods were installed . Would have been quit a sight to see her on the "RACE TRACK " across Ohio and Indiana
Those pins were cranked about
1 and 3/4 inches towards the axle center , and 5/64 of an inch off center for vavle legging at speed , which in a half revolution of the driver is around 3 and 1/2 inch shorter in piston stroke. Technical data showed her capable of 153 mph but 140 definitely fesable when you consider the losses , boiler scale in the tube sheet , coal quality , wind resistance , temp. ( stiff journal boxes ) in cold weather, empty , half loaded or full loaded passenger cars . I have a cousin that works at Rocky Mountian Construction ( roller coaster manufacturer and rebuilding ) these are some of the things that go into his work , the losses .
You measure around the length of the wheel tire , that gives you the distance the wheel travels in 1 revolution in track length . ( WHEEL RPM )
HP to the cylinders , piston stroke length . everybody goes by traction effort , but that's only a measurement for starting a train ,
Factor of adhesion , a measurement of horse power to weight to size of wheel , and putting that power to the railhead :: a T1 had a factor of 3.75 ( with poppet vavles ) 3.83 with walscherts vavle gear which showed a weight to HP problem .
PENNSY tested the T1 and it showed 6550 HP at 100 mph
S1 showed 7100 HP at 120 mph. The Pennsy FF1( BIG LIZ )showed 4500 HP , 1hour overload to 7880HP ( you can draw more power out of the overhead catanary wires , had
140, 000 lbs traction effort at 10.3 mph and a factor of 6.1 , which is why she was not duplicated , way to much power in one package , same with the GM10 of 1976 ,
10,000 HP but could overload for one hour was 18,000 HP , 138,000 lbs of TE but a factor of 7.2. again way to much for a single unit . That's why all the roads have settled on 4500 HP and a factor around 4.3 and in an A C locomotive
( SD 70ace ) can get up to 180,000 TE . You can tell , I love getting into the technocal , structural data of locomotives , and the most bazaar was the steam turbo electric locomotives of the C&O
#500 class steam turbines , ( class M1 which was not really classed that by the C&O ) ..
wheel arrangement was not a
4 - 8 + 4 - 8 - 4
But was a 2 - C1 + 2 - C1 - B
with a bed frame from the cab area under the firebox and only down about half way towards the back . On each end was a truss bridge frame suspended over the ends . From front to back .
Air pumps in the nose , coal hopper in front with stoker motors on the front bridge truss frame , :::::
cab , firebox , boiler , smokebox , all on the bed frame ,( the Firefox was on skid plates resting on top of the frame for expansion ) ::::: turbines , genarators , electrical cabinet on the back truss bridge frame ..
And then we have the goofy #80 UP coal fired gas turbine .
Let's grind up coal into a fine powder , burn it in the turbine buckets and blow it into a jet engines turbine blades and find out how long it takes to grind down the blades and shoot the blades into outer space . UM ,,OK
Thanks Bob S.
@@robertswickard1262 Thanks a lot for the thorough response, Robert. I wish I had access to the detailed data of the PRR S1 like you. I remember I have seen a movie about the construction of PRR T1 but not S1. I don't believe that there is not a single movie clip recording the S1 under construction and her daily operation (There is only one recorded in 1945-46). Information about S1 is fragmentized in the past 80 years. Until today, I still cannot confirm the source of her dbhp, but the figures like 7200hp @ 100mph or 7100hp @ 120mph should be almost accurate base on the formula used by the ALCo. By the way, the test result in 1944 from the Altoona test plan of T1 6110 was 6550hp at 85 mph. : )
@@Jones3DModelingClub YEP sorry it was 6550 DHP at 85 mph PENNSY POWER I and II are a good start
Check with the PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD HISRORICAL SOCIETY they have a lot of information
about her ..... also dig into the 1939 WORLDS FAIR AT NEW YORK they got a lot of info on her but that's something you'll have to do on your own . I had my cousin do it and it took him about a month , and he does the ancestor back ground family tree stuff as a hobby ,like I say it's out there , she was really publicized as the future in railroading at the 1939 WORLDS FAIR . SHE RAN ON ROLLERS UNDER THE DRIVERS , STEAMED UP , POPPING OFF , BLOWNING DOWN AND STOKER FEEDING ,
HOME VIDEOS AND PUBLICIZED FOR THE FAIR PROMOTION FILM .
STARTING OUT ( STATIONARY )
UNGULFING EVERYBODY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE IN CYLINDER. STEAM TO EXPELL THE WATER IN THE CYLINDERS ( WHAT A DREAM TO BE THERE RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE RAILING FENCE 4 FEET HIGH ONLY 5 FEET AWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) her performance on the other hand was really keeped under raps
"""""""" HUSH HUSH """"""""
@@Jones3DModelingClub There are new videos showing up on RUclips almost every day **** 1 min clips around Chicago .
Speaking of the S2 steam turbine , at one time if you found or seen a photo of her tied to a train """" OH MY GOD ""
JUST THIS LAST YEAR , I've seen 3 ***** 30 second clips of her heading out of Chicago . Once with the Broadway and twice with the Trail Blazer (( ODDLY ENOUGH ))
I wish that these locomotives were never scrapped. At least, in a museum.
T1's coming back
But if the S1 would....it'll need some modifications to run.
@@theextremeanimator4721 ok
TheExtremeGamer sillu see you on discordyhju
@@lourdesarminio580 come on....XD
I thought the S1 was preserved
If you read up on the S1, its major design flaw was that the weight of the engine bore down more on its six wheel front and rear trucks. Engineers would complain about the S1 slipping and loss of tractive effort from the driving wheels due to this flaw. S1 would get a slow start until up to speed.
@@freshwolfff2562 The Big boy produced a ridiculous amount more tractive effort than the S1, and a loss of tractive effort when pulling a train is a pretty big deal. Wheelslip can damage track and wheels, combine that with the fact that it was too big for most of the PRR system and that it was expensive and difficult to maintain and it's pretty easy to see why people consider it a failure.
PS, we have no proof it achieved 120 mph, let alone 126.
@Abimayu Production dude you didn't even read the comment plus you dont understand s1's history
@@rayhankazianga6817the big boy was built to pull freight
The s1 or the big engine was built to pull passenger cars at high speed with less vibration and it accomplished both of those tasks
S1: Sharknose
T1: Torpedo face
Just for context each locomotive is bashing each other because of their looks
@Cameron Malik Battle
did you read what I just said the engines are bashing each other the Is is calling the T1 Sharknose and T1 is calling S1 Torpedo face read the full comment you boiler busting nitwit
Jesus. You don’t have to be so aggressive.
Actually ur wrong
T1- sharknose
S1- torpedo face
the PRR S1 is like that futuristic steam locomotive that is fast af
Mr NI How Tall Was That Thing? Is Big Boy Bigger Then That?
Tank The Hedgehog 105 The S1 was longer than the Big Boy. But when it came to height the Big Boy was bigger.
The s1 was the t1 prototype
The S1 should be called a "Long Torpedo" Because of it's shape and length
@@pootismaster2574 but the t1 was a prototype anyway. There were only 2 prototypes made.
T1 trust plans to be finished with the new t1 by 2030 1 year before the John bull, the worlds oldest operable self propelled vehicle, will celebrate its 200th "birthday" which if anything like its 150th means the Smithsonian may fire it up again meaning for 1 day the world's oldest and newest operable steam locomotives may be running in America
PRR Duplexes racing in the U.K.
Oh boy, The loading gauge isnt looking so well As these giants were rolling down the line.
T1 has better acceleration but the S1 has the speed
I hope someone replicates the Pennsylvania s1 duplex
Exactly.
I agree the T1 is faster than the s1
@Tommy Vercetti yet none of them went faster than the A4
@@ajf3202 no their speed records were never verified but they could have beaten Mallard easily because the A4s could go 110mph on flat rails whilst the T1 and S1 duplexes could beat the Mallard easily.
yes Yes YES!! finally. Love the vid. I've always wanted to try this but didn't know how to get decently accurate results. My greatest thanks for the wonderful race.
I wonder how far from true the t1s settings are. Eh still this is wonderful. The s1 yet again smashed the Mallard. The t1 came so close at the end. I have my full trust in the t1 trust ( no joke intended ) that it will set the new world steam record. Thank you yet again for the vid.
@@TheBroughamGamer I am so happy to know that you guys love the race! Actually, I can create another engine config file for T1 but base on the example of the Berkshire (2-8-4) and C&O H8 (2-6-6-6 ) created by the developer (Auran), the config file used on T1 should be accurate, but since the FA of T1 was above 4, the computer can't simulate the wheel shipping effect like the Berkshire (2-8-4). I will give it a try though! Thank you for watching!
@@Jones3DModelingClub nice just hate the no wheelslip. Makes it more realistic
@@TheBroughamGamer I agree! : )
@d. yu I dont hate them. I just don't like that the mallard got the record but was about to break when it did it where as larger us engines like the Milwaukee f7s, and NYC Hudson's which continually ran at high speeds ie 110 to 120 mph continually without a major problem unlike the mallard did for that small time
I can confirm that the station at the end of the video is Carlisle, UK! Which is where I live!
*wheelslip has entered the chat*
Yes it has
S1: I NEED TO OVERCLOCKED MY SELF TO REACH 153 MPH!
**meanwhile T1**
T1: heh he is so slow
**a few minutes later**
T1: **hears S1 horn**
S1: HEY WAZZUP T1
T1: HEY HOW DID YOU GET THAT FAST?!
S1: HEH I OVERCLOCKED MYSELF!
T1: WAIT NO DONT OVERCLOCKED YOUR SELF! YOU WILL EXPLODE!!!
**S1 flying past trough T1**
Me: NOOOOO
For the sake of the S1 being a one of locomotive, I’m glad It won the race
9:28 minecraft cow
Where
I get it
@@lmsgarrattproductions1271 the prr s1 whistle
tbh it does sound like the minecraft cow
What's even cooler is if they were dressed to resemble a race car.
Like the Mach 5 from speed racer...?
I love Trainz a New Era.
I love Prr t1 Pennsylvania And prr s1 Pennsylvania.
S1 is so fast, we need to rebuild one like the t1
@AngryRailfan 4501 I mean, it can go beyond the speeds if perfected
@AngryRailfan 4501 to be honest I think the reliability would be the biggest issue
@AngryRailfan 4501 I prefer the T1's design too
16:54 SO COOOOOOOII
16:29 16:32 was that an airplane
What a shame the Pennsy didn't have the foresight to set up some filming equipment alongside the Crestline expressway to record the S1 (in the 30s) and the T1s and even the S2 at the century mark. We have so little, and most of that is tiptoeing around a railyard or pulling out of a station.
I have an idea of a new playlist for you: Unpredictable Doubleheaders.
How to start it off:
Do a race with SP GS-4 and PRR S1 vs N&W J Class and UP M-1000 Trainset?
Interesting. : )
He slowed down the T1 so the S1 would win
Why does the S1 sound like a lawnmower?
It's a sound bug of Trainz that if there are four cylinders in the engine spec, the engine will be messed up and it can't be fixed. : )
I’m sure that the S1 and T1 can beat the Mallard’s speed record for a steam engine. I would love to see the S1 and T1 racing with the Mallard and compare the speed records to show which ones are faster and famous
Where does everyone keep getting the idea that the S1 was faster than the T1.
All research i’ve done on these locomotives shows that the S1 had a claimed max speed of 133mph whereas the T1 had a claimed max speed of 140mph+, just curious if someone can enlighten me as to where people are getting these different numbers from
Second-hand reports say the S1 was traveling over 140 mph on several occasions including one in a German trade press and literature from 1945, where a record run of the S1, citing railroad officials of Interstate Commerce Commission that it reached 141.2 mph while trying to make up time for a delayed westbound train.
A top speed of 156 mph was reported on a run between Fort Wayne to Chicago only because the Pennsy was fined for the attempt on a track with an 80 mph restriction.
It's not very concrete but it definitely can't be ignored.
@@BalticFilms144 wasted chances i say
@@davidantoniocamposbarros7528Hell faster than mallard.
Nice job keep your videos 👍🏻
I didn't know the s1 had an air horn
Some steamers had air horns. Just like SP 4449
I know the hiawatha and the gs series locomotive had air horns but not the s1
The S1 will win every steam train race it enters and most diesel and electric trains aswell.I mean 156 mph top speed.
Unofficially did 156 MPH
@@davidantoniocamposbarros7528 why, how fast do you think it went?
@@Bload72productions there's no official recordings of them going 156 MPH,so it's debatable if they did it or not
@@davidantoniocamposbarros7528 true, but I'd say it probably came close.
Record for electric French TGV is 574 km/hr or 357 mph. The 2 power cars were producing 26,000 hp to achieve that speed. So, if you want to go really fast, electric is the only way to do that. The only other way would possibly be with a gas turbine setup. Steam or diesel electric has too low power to weight ratio to go that fast.
Love the T1 5550
T1 vs mallard
T1 crushes mallard. The T1 was able to produce over 6,000 HP at the cylinders even at 100 mph. Mallard was lucky to produce 2,500 hp maximum. It was producing way less that that at 100 mph. That is why it took forever to get to its top speed, even with a very light train.
0:02 Air Horn is the SP 4449
0:16 South Simcoe 136
Obviously not on the East Coast Mainline, the track is very poor judging by the ride of the tender compared to the locos!
Obviously he wanted the s1 to win
In reality the S1 is indeed faster. The engine had a top speed of 160mph while the T1 could only manage 125mph. Still impressive and shows the Mallard record is not as spectacular.
Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions are you sure it wasn’t 160kph
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren no,the S1 supposedly went 156 MPH and the T1 supposedly went 140 MPH meanwhile Mallard officially achieved 125.88 MPH
@@DAVEGADGETBOY 160 KPH=100 MPH
@@davidantoniocamposbarros7528 Mallard only "achieved" that record on a downhill gradient. In reality they'd never get up to 110 on flat ground due to the wheel base. All British propaganda to make their falling empire seem superior when really it was as fake as the APT's potential for a smooth ride.
How come the T1 sounds like a bicycle?
No the S1 sounds like a bicycle
I hear sounds from the SP 4449 in the beginning.
Maybe a automatic sp4449 whistled
they just swayin like boats in the water
Hello where did you find these Pullmans ?
Why does the S1 have a horn sound
It was built without a whistle and had an air horn instead. Some say this was due to a steam whistle not carrying sound with the speeds the S1 was capable of
PRR S1 was probably the only steam engine which using only horn instead of a whistle, just like MILW Class A, but I forgot if Class A have both horn and whistle or not. Some say horn is better for using on high-speed engines. NYC's S1b Niagaras had both horn and whistle. Thank you for watching :-)
@@Jones3DModelingClub
It should also be noted that the GS-class locomotives of the Southern Pacific had both a whistle and an air horn. During most operations on the SP mainline, especially on the Coast Daylight runs, they used the horn more than the whistle as they were more effective. Hell, even the SP 4449 still has its horn.
@@Jones3DModelingClub I believe the MILW A's had whistles as well, but they were probably used a lot less than the horns. I didn't know that the S1 was built with an air horn only, though that does beg the question. With the speedster reputation the T1's had, how come they only had whistles and never air horns?
@@russellgxy2905 Very interesting question! From my understanding, the reason of why S1 only built with an air horn was aimed to make it looks more modern (like a diesel engine) during the 1939-40 World's Fair.
You are right that MILW Class A had both horn and whistles but T1 had only whistles while NYC Niagara had both! I guess PRR thought that their whistles was loud enough so there was no horn on T1s :P But I would like to hear our viewer's thought on this topic! BTW, thank you for watching ! :- )
The loading gauge and rails are Screaming right now.
YEEEEEEEEES
Wow it it was going to rec 140 mph that look like a big cool plan
great job big boy
WHERE IS BIGBOY
Hmm? Some of Pennslyvania's steam train are still working
(100TH Comment)
*09:29*
It is like the S1 said "Mooooooom" as they blew their horn!!
Can You Do T1 Vs Big Boy?
PRR Steam engines
Why is it that the s-1 have the chuff sound like a plane?
I believe that this is caused by the piston count setting of the locomotive. Most engines in trains even the articulated and more than 4 cylinder engines use a 2 piston chuff noise in settings for realistic chuff. Adding the extra piston count seems to double the sound on locomotives. I tried this for the first time on the y6b DLS model. Trying to get the real settings I changed the piston setting from 2 to 4 which caused this to happen. If anyone knows if what I said isn't what caused this I would love to know the real reason. Your welcome.;-)
I also realize that the engine chuff sound itself can be set to 2 pistons even if the engine recorded has 4. The effect of doubling this setting can be the reason for this.
Thank
@@liamstrains9481 no prob. Have a great time.
@@TheBroughamGamer you explainted it very well, Brougham gamer. I did use 4 instead of 2 but I didn't know it is about the sound, I will do some test to see If I switch back to 2, will the sound become "more normal" :-P
The S 1 was never clocked at 153 mph or anywhere near it It was as bigger white elephant as the T 1 class People get carried away with the streamlining It’s past of the human psyche. ( like red cars are always faster)
T1 was nicknamed the "land dreadnaught" by train crew, plowing up the mountains west of Altoona without assistance. Railway Historian and Author Alvin F. Staufer agrees that S1 was oversized and thus unable to visit most roundhouses or handle tight curves, but contends: "She was an excellent steamer and gave trouble-free service." : )
Is it just me Or these trains Are from Galaxy Railways
t1 is cool like s1
Can ya make GATX GP38AC V.S. BNSF GP38AC?
What, no signals?
Clearly not PRR signals.
@@josephswanson1664because this was a Race in the U.K, Why did you think these Locomotives Couldn't Fit under the bridges.
The Clash of the Titans. But as trains.
what kind of train simulator is that
Where did u get the s1 and can u send the link to it
The S1 is from the DLS, if you have T.A.N.E, launch the game and pick "Content Manager", choose "download station", then type PRR #6100 in the search box. You should be about to find it.
Which simulator do you use
Trainz for this video, we use "Train Simulator 2019" as well. : )
Jones Family thxs for telling me
Why does the S 1 have a Leslie A200 type Horn on it?
Why dis the S1 have a horn
because it had a horn and a whistle
Duplex vs duplex
Raymond loewy's inventions is racing
I’m an express engine huff Gordon I should’ d be slowed down i slowed dow by a small engine like Percy.
Where is the PRR S1 from?
It is a freeware form Trainz's download station. Search "PRR S1" or "S1 6100" and you will find it. : )
@@Jones3DModelingClub I searched for it but I couldn't find it
@@Jones3DModelingClub is the T1 freeware or is it in the game by default?
I watch this video in 2x speed is just like are bullet train
prr s1 is faster than prr t1
Why were these not preserved? The T-1 wlii be resurected through "DNA". The S-1 ? Why would anyone scrap that? I am an Eastern Airlines Brat. One way to get someone like me on a train is to have locomotives like those pulling it.
Intentionally They Couldn't keep it running, and it had so many problems. The S1's design was pure trash because of the streamlining
T1's are a different story, they looked nice but they couldn't keep it since it had VIOLENT amounts of wheelslip. So they scrapped them all. 6110 and 6111 were prototypes but those are gone as well. But they are rebuilding the T1.
@@Inactivefr610 The violent wheel slip issue is a railfan myth. Both the C&O and N&W tested the PRR T1 and noted no such problems, even on mountain grades. In fact, the N&W stated the T1 were equal to their J Class 4-8-4s up to 80 mph, then above 80 mph, the T1 just ran away from the Class J. The reason they were scrapped so fast is the PRR decided to buy diesel-electrics for their passenger service before the T1 was even delivered! Basically, the T1 was a locomotive without a long term job before they even came into service. The PRR ran them just long enough to justify the expense of building them, then took them out of service and they were scrapped. This was true for many late steam era locomotives. Diesel-electric production and technology improved to fast, that many late model steam were out of a job within years of starting service.
can we have the models?
Me vs you: D
Why does s1 have a horn? And not a whistle??🤔🤔
because in the real life version, it had both
what game is this called????
Trainz A new Era.
Can I Have The File For This Two Please
i like pennsylvania prr t1 steam train and i like pennsylvania prr s1 and what your train game and the train pennsylvania 6100 prr s1 have lower boiler pressure but the train pennsylvania 5500 prr t 1 have higher boiler pressure i think this
How do I install this🤨
Trains 1 or 2? please tell me
Trainz a new era
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the prr s1 is cheat outside its amazing but inside its a diesel and the horn is diesel it go so fast i think its cheat i bet win is prr t1
We treasure any suggestion and criticism, but don't accuse us of cheating without providing a single evidence. PRR S1 #6100 was built with an air horn installed in 1939, instead of a steam whistle. We used a modified engine e-spec for a steam locomotive from the original model creator in this video.
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