@@ThuAnh-qd2fo it's one of those gems that if you're lucky you stumble upon. I do wish it was performed more, such a fun piece that's worth putting on a concert.
@@karoldettlaff5345 awesome. It is a really special one. A good sonata that is both early Haydn style and still very complete and fleshed out. Hope it's fun to perform for you!
@@ryanabshier yes, it is really very special as well as in some way really hard to perform because this sonata is different. It seems to me so. I feel like I always 'try too much', like trying to find very special way to show how much different and special it is. And as we all know it's the worst way to play this kind of music, from that period. In that case it won't sound natural and authentic! And all I always want is to show music, not my interpration, not my ego! To play Haydn, to play Mozart, not myself!
I should. One of those things I think about from time to time. Trying to make a fugue both interesting and entertaining makes you really appreciate Bach more 🤣 Enjoy listening!
Excellent vid! Bravo! [Quibble alert warning!] FWIW, in m. 7 of the andante you played G natural, which is probably correct - Pogorelich also plays G natural - but it's a G# in the score you project above the keyboard as you play.
Thanks, it's was a fun video to make. Yes, it's a G natural in the urtext I'm reading from, a very good edition. But posting an urtext edition still under copyright would be wrong (and they might even force me to take it down). So I have to use older, public domain editions for the videos. This one is full of dynamics and articulations too, which is unfortunate, but at least it's sharp and legible.
I love this one too, you're not alone 🙂. I have an old CD of Haydn sonatas including this one, played by Zoltán Kocsis. It's great, and it's really nice that you're drawing attention to this work on your channel.
I think that one of the most beautiful piano pieces is,, fairlytale,, by Feliks Nowowiejski. The composet in general is incredibky underrated and this piece is kinda special to me.
Ah, I see the profile picture now. I wasn't really aware of Feliks Nowowiejski before. I was having trouble finding that exact piece because much of the info on him was in Polish. Is it from one of the sets of piano pieces or is it a stand-alone publication?
I guess I could call "my piece" Schubert's Grazer Fantasie! It's one of his best non-sonata pieces, but it seems to be overshadowed by all the other Sonatas, the Impromptus, and countless other works. But this has many memorable motifs - a really light charm at the beginning that draws the piece away from a simple pastoral opening, giving a bunch of amazing modulation and subtle energy into a bright anti-climax. It was discovered in the 1970s, so that could be part of it being underappreciated.
I can’t resist responding to your comment about your unfinished cadenza! I wrote an unfinished one also. Back in high school or college, I noticed that Mozart’s concerto K467 had a first and second theme that could be superimposed! So I thought, since apparently nobody else noticed this, I would write a cadenza that imposed one theme upon the other (at its climax). Even now, decades later, I haven’t heard of anybody catching on to that device!
Oh wow, that is interesting. I never thought about that. I really wish more pianists would write their own fugues because we'd get clever inventions like this.
fantastic piece! I do believe I've heard it, but I'm eager to revisit it. Beethoven's 6th piano trio and Mozart's F major sonata for four hands, are two of the greatest compositions by both composers imho, and neither is particularly famous.
Haydn's music is so wild (and I mean that in a good way) that it's hard to think of any cadenza that'd be too stylistically inappropriate. Maybe if you stood up and freestyle rapped for two minutes before finishing the piece, but even that's something you might be able to make work with Haydn.
@@Joseph-mv3rz oh no, the Pachelbel sequence shows up again. As far as the G#, I'm reading from my Urtext, which has a G natural. Very cool note. For the scores in the video I use older public domain editions to respect copyrights. I noticed the dynamics and articulations being added, but not the G#. Interesting.
It really does. Those building chords in the development section are so driving. Interesting enough Haydn would have met Beethoven the day time I believe not long after he wrote this.
You make great content keep going its so interesting. But what I dont like is that you dislike the songs whitout words from Menselsohn. Why is that? They are such beautiful short pieces for piano. Especially the andantes in major key😊😊
Hi Peter, I appreciate you watching and commenting on the video. I really do, it helps RUclips see people are interested in the videos and share them with more people. However, you always comment about me playing too fast 🤣 For the video here I wasn't overly careful with the speed (I haven't "worked" on this piece for several years and simply got it out for the video). But that being said, I am about the tempo I would choose if performing...I would maybe go slightly even faster. I think we're both on the same side of thinking early classical is often played too fast, but in this case perhaps you aren't considering the quarter note the beat? For the quarter note, which Haydn indicates by the time signature, I am playing about 80 bpm. So, I guess feel pretty conservative in my choice. If though you're feeling the 8th note, then yes, 160 is very fast.
@@ryanabshier However, in this period the beat is not necessarily the 1/4 note - one should look at the shortest note values used. There are pieces in marked 2/4 which are effectively in 4/8 (Beethoven, Op 2/2, 1st movt., op 10, F maj, and pieces marked with barred C which are not really 2/2 Allabreve, but a faster 4. This Haydn sonata 1st movement, 1st. theme feels like a theme for a 'cello or that funny instrument Haydn's employer played, so perhaps more cantabile?
I've never heard this sonata before I really appreciate your quick breakdown, I will be checking this one out!
Awesome! Hope you really enjoy it!
I love that piece too! I remember playing it the first time 10 years ago and it's stuck with me until now in a wonderful way! I'm glad I'm not alone!
@@ThuAnh-qd2fo it's one of those gems that if you're lucky you stumble upon. I do wish it was performed more, such a fun piece that's worth putting on a concert.
Always learning something new on this channel!
I love that sonata, I add it to my recitals or concerts maybe not very often but from time to time - yes! Thank you for this episode!!!
@@karoldettlaff5345 awesome. It is a really special one. A good sonata that is both early Haydn style and still very complete and fleshed out. Hope it's fun to perform for you!
@@ryanabshier yes, it is really very special as well as in some way really hard to perform because this sonata is different. It seems to me so. I feel like I always 'try too much', like trying to find very special way to show how much different and special it is. And as we all know it's the worst way to play this kind of music, from that period. In that case it won't sound natural and authentic! And all I always want is to show music, not my interpration, not my ego! To play Haydn, to play Mozart, not myself!
Thanks so much! Excellently played also
I love this piece! Pogorelich recorded this one, absolutely amazing recording in my opinion
I too love Ivo's Haydn album!
FINISH THE FUGUE!! And let’s hear it. I’ll need to listen to that sonata because I’m not too familiar with it. Great video like always.
I should. One of those things I think about from time to time. Trying to make a fugue both interesting and entertaining makes you really appreciate Bach more 🤣 Enjoy listening!
Excellent vid! Bravo! [Quibble alert warning!] FWIW, in m. 7 of the andante you played G natural, which is probably correct - Pogorelich also plays G natural - but it's a G# in the score you project above the keyboard as you play.
Thanks, it's was a fun video to make.
Yes, it's a G natural in the urtext I'm reading from, a very good edition. But posting an urtext edition still under copyright would be wrong (and they might even force me to take it down). So I have to use older, public domain editions for the videos. This one is full of dynamics and articulations too, which is unfortunate, but at least it's sharp and legible.
I love this one too, you're not alone 🙂. I have an old CD of Haydn sonatas including this one, played by Zoltán Kocsis. It's great, and it's really nice that you're drawing attention to this work on your channel.
Very cool. Hopefully we've gained a few more friends in loving this piece
This sonata was haydn from the public
I can't handel your puns!
@@mrtoast244 not me being confused by this comment for a full 24 hours 🤣🤣🤣
You’ve unRaveled its mystery, though..
@macleadg I was Chopin you wouldn't do that.
@ Sorry, but it was on my bucket Liszt…
I think that one of the most beautiful piano pieces is,, fairlytale,, by Feliks Nowowiejski. The composet in general is incredibky underrated and this piece is kinda special to me.
Ah, I see the profile picture now. I wasn't really aware of Feliks Nowowiejski before. I was having trouble finding that exact piece because much of the info on him was in Polish. Is it from one of the sets of piano pieces or is it a stand-alone publication?
I guess I could call "my piece" Schubert's Grazer Fantasie! It's one of his best non-sonata pieces, but it seems to be overshadowed by all the other Sonatas, the Impromptus, and countless other works. But this has many memorable motifs - a really light charm at the beginning that draws the piece away from a simple pastoral opening, giving a bunch of amazing modulation and subtle energy into a bright anti-climax. It was discovered in the 1970s, so that could be part of it being underappreciated.
Haydn sonatas are a lot of fun to play. I usually found them a lot easier to practice than Mozart and Beethoven sonatas.
I can’t resist responding to your comment about your unfinished cadenza!
I wrote an unfinished one also. Back in high school or college, I noticed that Mozart’s concerto K467 had a first and second theme that could be superimposed! So I thought, since apparently nobody else noticed this, I would write a cadenza that imposed one theme upon the other (at its climax). Even now, decades later, I haven’t heard of anybody catching on to that device!
Oh wow, that is interesting. I never thought about that. I really wish more pianists would write their own fugues because we'd get clever inventions like this.
"One of the best pieces by this composer that nobody knows"
is literally some obscure musescore composers
🤣 I thought about this a little after deciding on a title. The piece nobody knows, not composer
@@ryanabshier ohhhh my bad. anyways if you want to hear some cool piano stuff check out my channel playlists ;)
It reminds me of some music from "Spirited Away".
Loved your playing. You're playing a Yamaha with a wonderful sound. Which model of digital piano?
I have no unfinished works. Only unstarted ones.
fantastic piece! I do believe I've heard it, but I'm eager to revisit it.
Beethoven's 6th piano trio and Mozart's F major sonata for four hands, are two of the greatest compositions by both composers imho, and neither is particularly famous.
Haydn's music is so wild (and I mean that in a good way) that it's hard to think of any cadenza that'd be too stylistically inappropriate. Maybe if you stood up and freestyle rapped for two minutes before finishing the piece, but even that's something you might be able to make work with Haydn.
Haha. "Lady and gents I got a few bars for you before getting back to the keys"
This sounds like a prequel to Beethoven and Schubert.
4:00 G sharp?
That progression from the second movement reminds me of the pachabels canon partimento whatever that’s called
@@Joseph-mv3rz oh no, the Pachelbel sequence shows up again.
As far as the G#, I'm reading from my Urtext, which has a G natural. Very cool note. For the scores in the video I use older public domain editions to respect copyrights. I noticed the dynamics and articulations being added, but not the G#. Interesting.
Yep, this is one I'm not familiar with. Thanks for the analysis! That development section has something very Beethoven-ish about it. :
It really does. Those building chords in the development section are so driving. Interesting enough Haydn would have met Beethoven the day time I believe not long after he wrote this.
Ooops oops oops. That's the date of a different Haydn sonata I'm looking at right now. This was written much earlier than 1790
This sounds a lot more fragile than the other Sonata's in D Major. Like a puppet dancing.
You make great content keep going its so interesting. But what I dont like is that you dislike the songs whitout words from Menselsohn. Why is that? They are such beautiful short pieces for piano. Especially the andantes in major key😊😊
Why do you play the 1st. movement so fast when it is only marked "moderato"? Perhaps you wanted to save time?
Hi Peter, I appreciate you watching and commenting on the video. I really do, it helps RUclips see people are interested in the videos and share them with more people. However, you always comment about me playing too fast 🤣 For the video here I wasn't overly careful with the speed (I haven't "worked" on this piece for several years and simply got it out for the video).
But that being said, I am about the tempo I would choose if performing...I would maybe go slightly even faster. I think we're both on the same side of thinking early classical is often played too fast, but in this case perhaps you aren't considering the quarter note the beat? For the quarter note, which Haydn indicates by the time signature, I am playing about 80 bpm. So, I guess feel pretty conservative in my choice. If though you're feeling the 8th note, then yes, 160 is very fast.
@@ryanabshier However, in this period the beat is not necessarily the 1/4 note - one should look at the shortest note values used. There are pieces in marked 2/4 which are effectively in 4/8 (Beethoven, Op 2/2, 1st movt., op 10, F maj, and pieces marked with barred C which are not really 2/2 Allabreve, but a faster 4. This Haydn sonata 1st movement, 1st. theme feels like a theme for a 'cello or that funny instrument Haydn's employer played, so perhaps more cantabile?
You did those portato wrong. 🤣
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