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Honestly, most of them would have been asleep and would not have known, given the fact the plane hit the water in a near level position. I do believe that there should be flight recorder microphones in the cabin. This should be made available to the public, to hold airlines and manufacturers to account.
@@michaela7100are you joking? I wish that were true but that plane mushed down to the ocean at a huge speed. The plane would also be violently moving from side to side. You think they just landed in the sea like a plane lands at an airport 😂
Imagine the feeling during those three minutes of the freefall. You can see the lightning, feel the plane descending. You know you are over the middle of the ocean, and you are not going to survive the impact. Truly terrifying.
I’m from Brazil . I will never forget this tragedy because my teacher’s nephew was on that plane , I still remember the prayer we did in her class. I was 10 years old but I will never forget the sadness on her face
I also know somebody whose young child was on that flight, returning to boarding school. He used to go to my school, but they had moved to Brazil and he was then enrolled in boarding school, in the UK. After a school holiday, spent with his parents in their new country, he was put on the flight back to the UK, going first to CDG airport in Paris, then connecting to a flight to LHR. But the flight sadly never made it to CDG. I can’t imagine their life now; he was their only son and eldest child and the fact that he was alone on the flight, when it went down… I just have no words! RIP, Alexander 💔
@@lennonsvrchannel News flash: Brazil has the second largest Christian population. It’s not like everyone is a devout Christian, it’s rather ingrained in their culture. You’re welcome
I used to teach english at a languages school at that time in Brazil, one of my students used to have english classes with me and french classes with another teacher twice a week. Long story short she was supposed to be on flight 447 but she changed her ticket last minute to another one a week later because she wanted to finish all the chapters of her book before travelling.... The week before the accident she was complaining to us of how much the company charged her to switch tickets, that extra amount literally saved her life.
Yes,everything happens for a reason and that reason is that God was protecting her and I also suspect that the reason this happened was that those people were and people and their demise was atonement for their evil deeds but that's just my spiritual opinion.I was told not to long ago that when I was moving from California to Florida when we got caught in a storm the only reason the plane didn't go down was because I was on board. That God has sent Archangel Micheal to help the pilot fly the plane.I was scared at first when the pilot announced that we had hit turbulence but that he would try to get us out of there as fast as possible,to hold tight and then all of a sudden the plane was out of there.When I found out that the demons that were trying to take the plane down to kill me had been beat I cried tears of joy now knowing how much God really loves me and how precious I am to Him.
@SmokinBidenPack ,so I was told by some experts I asked.I told them about that and they said that God sent Micheal to help the pilot to fly the plane.If you have a problem with what I was told then you can complain about it to them. Have a goodnight
Based on the explanation of that geographical location and the amount of flight hours the captain had, that was probably something he'd seen 100s of times.
Yes I always say this but no one else seems to think it. Dubois and bonin are on the same level of blame. He was too comfortable and decided to go through a storm that air force pilots would not have gone through if not necessary 😡😡
Very nice to have a section dedicated to the moment of silence for the victims. They always seem to dissapear in the statistics and dramatizations, but they are the most important in all tragedies.
I am a flight attendant currently studying to be a pilot. I like watching these videos to learn about prior accidents and they are so important for cabin crew to know. Rest in peace to all of the passengers and flight crew.
@@Iamthewarner557how on earth would you know? “Trust me bro, there is a sky daddy you have to spend eternity with, and he is the only true sky daddy”. Worship the sun, irrefutable creator of life, or worship death - who comes for all life. Allah is nowhere and nothing in life.
I’m not in the aviation industry and have no knowledge of it but from what I gathered from the video. It sounds like the pilots did not know how to correct failures in the flight induced by the bad weather. The best analogy I can think of is think of someone in car, driving in bad weather and suddenly their car hydroplanes…and then to correct the car from hydroplaning they over correct by aggressively handling the steering wheel.
@Rubin250I don’t get why the pilots didn’t think they were not in stall when the alarm was literally calling out stall. And another thing don’t hundreds of plans fly through that ocean during storms weekly so how could this have been a complete unexpected surprise that the petot tubes or anything else malfunction for a few minutes. I think one expert said in some documentary that all the pilots had to do was literally leave everything alone and not touch the anything. Crazy sad story
@@laylahahmad6468 the pitot tubes which deliver data to the sensors about air speed etc had become clogged with ice hence all the wild conflicting alarms both pilots got. Bonin kept causing a duel input alarm because he wouldn’t stop pulling back on his controls even when he agreed the other guy was in control of the plane. Bonin kept the nose pointed up which caused the stall and the plane fell from the sky.
Its very scary that a trained pilot could be so incompetent with flying a plane they are in charge of. To constantly pull back on the side stick is just unbelievable.
Man I was furious to see what they did! Like three terified pigeons ! I have lots of flight sim experience to know that the most easy and most trained situation is stall recovery! They were at cruise level, they had 20 times to recover! I'm just furious and sad that such loss of life happened because of rookie mistake....
"Let's prioritize learning from others to ensure safer skies for everyone" is probably one of the best quotes I've heard in a very long time. Thank you for this video, I'm looking forward to watching more of your channel. :)
This was such a rookie mistake that every most basic training prepares you for that scenario first... there is just no excuse for what they did ! Three frightened pigeons, thats what they were!
@@sindoorbelic8036 Great job focusing on the negative that had nothing to do with my comment, buddy! I never said anything about the situation itself, just a specific quote regarding it.
@@h1ghm4int3n4nc3 Sorry I was really pissed because so many pilots have made this stupid mistake that they obviously didn't learn anything from others....
@@sindoorbelic8036 Absolutely horrendous. I don't think people who can't manage stress properly should be flying planes. I've seen other flight videos when pilots and first officers handle issues with a calm composure and the outcome is generally much better.
I honestly can't understand how the PIC can sleep, knowing the state of the weather condition. Even if he was feeling sleepy, the seriousness of the situation should have cleared his eyes immediately
The weather wasn't even a serious condition. Nothing was even wrong with how the plane was flying. The incorrect air speed reading caused the co-pilot to pull up on the controls for an extended period of time which caused the airplane to stall and drop out of the sky.
@@XYZ_55You're pushing all the blame onto Bonin when a flight is about teamwork. The co-pilot demonstrated anxiety about the convergence zone FOUR times and the idiot who was supposed to be in the lead ignored him. If he had stayed in the cockpit for another 15 minutes (estimated time to cross the zone) or respected the previous day's rest protocol for international flights, we wouldn't be watching this video now.
actually the passengers most likely felt nothing, just a turbulence or some light negative Gs, just the way the pilots didnt feel the Gs of the plane going down
I just like planes, but is so logic to me the wings angle attack lift and stall concepts. Poor guy, how could he get so lost pulling that stick back the whole time. Really sad story. RIP all those poor souls 😔
Yes I have flight anxiety. Yes I watch these documentaries which accentuate my flight anxiety. No but this must have been absolutely and utterly terrifying. Praying for the victims' families 🙏🏻😔
Two of my family are Airbus Captains/Check Airmen. After this accident (negligence), their companies ran every one of their pilots through scenarios like this and procedures to recover. The conclusion was that this crew crashed a flyable aircraft due to breakdown in cockpit resource management and communication. This has happened all too many times in the past.
Lmao "okay everybody, lets run a simulation on what happened, so we know what to do, even though we have the power of hindsight and already know what to do"😂😂
If he never pulled back on the stick the plane would have kept flying normally, the pitots would unfreeze, the IAS would come back and they could reengage autopilot and everyone would be fine.
@@billyd5749 it was the pitot tube freezing up which caused the computer to change from normal law to extended law, in normal law this couldn’t have happened as the computer would have interrupted, in extended law unfortunately the pilot had full control.
Go to France and observe their customer service skills and work ethic (or lack thereof) and you'll understand. They literally had national protests over the retirement age going from like 58 to 60.....
It is hard to believe in 5 minutes not one of the pilots even sent a distress call. What if people survived the initial crash. They would have no rescue organised.
Easy! You can easily get them anywhere and in any capacity - look at the WH - two idiots are in there now - Biden and Harris - and look at the disaster we are experiencing as a result in the U.S.A.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 You cannot even back your silly French bashing with actual facts. The recent protest about the retirement age took place regarding a bill that changed the retirement age from 62 years old to 64, not 58 to 60. For the record, life expectancy in good health of workers in the lowest stratas is hardly over 60 years old. And the protests were also about our democracy given the fact the government carried on with its bill although 75% of French People, 90% of workers and even a majority of the parliament opposed the project.
This story is absolutely horrifying and tragic. RIP to all the souls on Flight 447. To the content creator, you absolutely nailed this account. Your storytelling, information gathering, format and respect for the lives lost is beautifully executed. You have talent good sir.
I watch a lot of these things. Air crash docs. And AF447 is one of the most if not the most heartbreaking, needless loss of life. Bonin had brain freeze - like when you look for your phone with it in your hand, or look for your spectacles with them on your head. He couldn't see what he was doing by overlooking what he was doing - only realising when it was already too late. Truly heartbreaking
To be fair, the flight director seemed to be telling him to pull up. I agree that he got locked into his preconceptions, but this was easier to happen than I thought before I knew the whole story.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
I remember hearing about this one. Ultimately the plane crashed because of iced over pitot tubes followed by Bonin constantly pulling back on his controls(the last time of which he did it without telling the others) and basically locked Robert out by doing so. Both lost complete situational awareness but Bonin basically caused the crash. That’s terrifying and I pray that all those poor people are at peace.
@@susivarga7303Ok actually nobody cares about the victims then, already forgot what this video was about. Does that sound better? No? Then be glad that's not all you've heard. Nobody owes you condolences. It's genuine and heartfelt, far from hollow and that's a rare thing coming from most people. Be pissed at the 2nd officer who basically stalled the aircraft and never recovered it. The plane likely just dropped out of the sky and hit the ocean at no faster than terminal velocity. Totally avoidable.
In a nutshell, the crew knew how to turn on and turn off computers, but they did not know how to fly the plane. Technology is a wonderful thing, except when it becomes so advanced pilots forget how to do their job (or never learn in the first place).
"A simulation exercise after the accident demonstrated that with no pilot inputs, AF447 would have remained at its cruise altitude following the autopilot disconnection." Damn
@@HungarianRepublic What a strange question. Of course not. She is resting in peace in her grave. May I ask What did you mean by asking that? Where did come from zombies in you mind?
I think I’ve seen every plane crash & listened to every cockpit recording available on RUclips, and I must say that only the suicide mission pilots infuriated me more than the pilots of this flight.
I think they are referencing the Germanwings crash in the Frennch Alps in 2015. The pilot locked the other pilot out when he went out to use the toilet & deliberately committed suicide & murdered everyone else by crashing into the moutain. @LucasDimoveo
To me, it's really just Bonin - once he finally says that he's had his stick back *the whole time,* the pilot almost immediately figured out the problem, but they were leaving 10,000 dropping like a rock by then, with no way to save it... I feel the same way as you - I actually got mad that Bonin is dead, so we can't ask him how a pilot doesn't realize that pulling the controls back for minutes on end in a stall is a bad idea. This is one reason I'm not a fan of the joystick on this plane - if there had been a yoke, it probably would have been noticeable that he was pulling back.
@@ShawnS14the video did an absolutely horrible job actually explaining the technicals of what happened, but the co-pilot literally stalled the plane out of negligence and crashed. They had some iced over equipment which caused them to lose air speed reading (which they got back but then did not trust) and this caused growing panic for some unknown reason. The captain finally realized what was going on in the last 10-15 seconds, in the transcript you can hear him start yelling to stop pulling up. Shouldn’t have left those two fools in the cabin alone.
I've watched every air crash investigation, and you quickly realise one thing... Too many recent accidents are due to pilot error.... and those errors happen far more frequently at night. This is a prime example of just that... Of course, flying is really safe.. but i avoid flying at night where i can.
My brother in law, who is an airline pilot flying Airbus aircraft explaned to me, that modern airliners-especially Airbus models - are actually not meant to be hand-flown. The technology and design of these aircrafts is way too complex to be handled by the pilots. If everything works well, the computers can handle the aircraft much better than a human pilot could do. The pilot of an A 330 is primarily just overseeing and monitoring the autopilot flying the plane - he or she is normally not steering the aircraft at any time-only at take off, but not necessarily. He explained to me, that even for an expreriencerd pilot, it is very difficult fo hand-fly an A 330, if the autopilot does not receive valid flight data flying at high altitude and without any visual reference. The co-pilots is always blamed having caused the accident and being a bad pilot- but my brother -in-law says, that, being thrown in a situation like that, 90 % of pilots would run into problems as any manual input at this alitude may have dire consequences without correct flight data...sounds scary....
This is one heck of an infamous accident. It's incredibly frustrating, but I try to remember that the flight deck is not an easy place to be, especially under great stress. Sad nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.
This, I see a lot of comments putting blame and pointing fingers. But we're all human and sometimes our brains just...fail. Under stress we can go into a panic and freeze or otherwise lose all sense of direction and logic, in spite of any training or intervention. I try to remember the human part in this, Bonin didn't act out of ignorance, stubbornness or malice, he was a man whose brain just failed him. Already the cockpit of an aircraft is a high-pressure environment and when all those alarms go haywire I can't imagine the fear and stress that could cause, sometimes a person can't pull their cognizance back from that. Unfortunately this is just a case of stress causing needless tragedy
@@GrimFelArtexactly this. Plus there was multiple things to focus on plus the plane switched into Alt mode and iirc it wasn't an obvious notification so the craft to their knowledge was behaving oddly. Therefore with the on off stall warnings the Brain latches on to fixating in one problem in this case the rolls until it became too late.
@@GrimFelArtit wasn't ignorance or malice but it was gross incompetence. If one doesn't know how to do a job, or if one has anxiety or stress, and do everyone a favor and don't do it. Some people just want money or Prestige and that's selfish. That's like saying we should forgive a cop if he's stressed out and suddenly shoot someone. You don't take jobs if you don't have a high stress tolerance. Leave those jobs to people who can handle it. This is murder through gross incompetence and negligence.
@@SS-cd6iethe best police officers in the world sometimes fold under certain pressures…like the comment above you said “we’re all human” the difference between a cop and a pilot is a cop isn’t responsible for 200 people on an airliner…you act like Pilots are robots who are wired together in a lab or something smh pilots make errors just like every other job…there jobs are just more deadly
1 - The pilot goes for a nap just before the plane enters a thunderstorm 2 - The co-pilot does everything possible to crash the plane _Amazing that the formal investigation did not clearly point that out. OR Air France acknowledging its pilots being the main cause of the crash_ 😥
I still think it was intentional. Noseup for 5 min is not called for in any flying situation. It defies all logic & he ignored several requests to F off but he kept taking over control. It was bizarre
An Iberia plane was close by and they were surprised when the Air France went straight into the middle of the storm instead of doing a detour, like they did. That was the first error.
I'm a flight sim aviator and I'm shocked at how you could stall at that altitude and not be able to recover. Attempting to put on speedbrakes seems deeply incompetent. It was clear from the recreation video the aircraft was stalling, not overspeeding. When in doubt, push the nose down, especially if you are at high altitude and worried about a stall.
Bonin, the co pilot F***** up big time, because he stupidly kept pulling the stick back when they were stalling. This guy had no business being a pilot.
Seems a lot of chaos on the flight deck with the engineer and the first officer doing opposing things. Very interesting video and it's a subject that fascinates.
Exactly, I feel the same way. I was 23 when it happened and had an important exam the next day. Thankfully the exam went well, though my thoughts definitely were elsewhere.
They couldn’t even fly the plane for one minute without autopilot in alternate law. Takes just one min for the pitotubes to clear. Other pilots have had the same scenario and they could fly without reliable airspeed for one minute. Thank you for the excellent video!
I was in the Army 32 years. The last 22 years as a helicopter pilot. My final 6 years I flew a modern helicopter equipped with autopilot. All my previous aircraft (X4) were non autopilot. Essentially, what you’ve highlighted here is pilots that are not pilots, they are systems managers along for the ride. It’s dark, no horizon, no training and the moment the plane quit flying itself they were doomed. They were spatially disoriented, had no visual cues to assist in judging their airspeed and stalled the aircraft all the way to impact. I understand I have the luxury of not having been on that flight but it seems to me that a GPS could have given them a ground speed reading that could have made due as an indication of airspeed? 3 minutes from 38,000 feet to impact? Seems impossible but if you’ve never experienced spatial disorientation I can tell you that you have absolutely no idea of your position relative to the surface of the earth. Tragic.
The body only feels it's falling when there's acceleration variation. So, after they reached maximum acceleration, they just kept picking up speed, but probably didn't notice the fall. I think they were warned of turbulence and probably most were asleep.
These are the bits I find most interesting, hoping nobody knew what was happening. Would the stewardesses know? Why didn’t the captain come to the cockpit?
I'm not pilot but even I know not to keep pulling up when in a stall. Wasn't that the same guy who kept trying to control the aircraft when he was meant to have handed over though? Sounds like he went into a complete panic.
I’m from Brazil, and I remember this tragedy to this day. One of my professors from college was at this flight, a doctor, alongside with his family. RIP to all those who died that day.
I appreciate the work you are doing here. No sensationalising of the crash with a calm and professional voice. I especially appreciate the moment of silence for the victims. Human lives were lost that day. As a safety engineer in civil engineering, fire prevention primarily, we have to be mindful human lives will be lost if we make mistakes. And as you stated we have to learn from our mistakes, but more importantly from the mistakes of others. A mistake that happened once is a tragedy. A mistake that happened twice is unforgivable. Thank you for summarising this event in a highly streamlined matter and directly referencing the results of the investigation. This is some important work you are doing here!
I watch and read about a lot of aviation accidents, and AF447 to this day is the most bone-chilling of all in my mind. Reading the transcript from the CVR is terrifying, the crew lost all situational awareness and was completely overwhelmed by all the contradictory alarms and warnings, to the point of paralysis. And yet, they knew: _"On va taper"_ It's utterly tragic.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
@@andrewdinns1746 It was the crew, bad CRM, lack of training and faulty Pitot probes. Does Bonin bear more fault than his fellow crew members? In great part arguably yes he does. But stop pinning it solely on him. The captain did not manage the crisis properly either. The instruments sent confusing and seemingly contradictory alerts. A crash is the result of a combination of factors, not just a single one.
@@elanthysIt technically is one single person at fault, because even if all factors were the same minus Bonin it would have been corrected and the plain wouldnt have crashed. People aren't arguing that the situation itself wasnt flawed, they are saying if bonin didnt lose his cool it would have been fine.
@@sew_gal7340 You're proving my point. Change any single factor and the accident wouldn't happen. If Bonin hadn't reacted like he did, if the captain had grasped the situation better, if the pitot tube hadn't frozen, you can go on with hypotheticals all day long, ALL THESE FACTORS COMBINED caused the crash. I will not be discussing this further this is so obvious.
@GhostPlaysCodm yeah thats crazy. Especially considering they have to recover the box from mangled wreckage. Plus, at those depths. That's a big mission! If I didn't know any better, I would have thought that was impossible to do.
Absolutely terrifying! I watch countless aviation videos and this one definitely had me feeling fear at a high level😩 I cannot imagine what they went through in those short moments before meeting their demise
I’ve only ever experienced severe turbulence on a plane once, being an anxiety prone passenger definitely wasn’t helpful here. My ex husband & I were flying on the 2nd leg of our trip from SeaTac & our plane was quite small. We were headed to Bellingham, WA to see my ex’s father one last time as my father in law was terminally ill. This was in November & we were unaware of the storm severity in that area of WA state. We entered a storm with wind gusts of about 60mph, heavy rain & occasional lightning. The plane, a small aircraft which held maybe 40? people & was able to land more easily at the airport in or near Bellingham WA, a small airport consisting of a few “temporary” type buildings similar to some school buildings. The plane was shaking, had side to side rolls and would occasionally buck up & down. I didn’t take enough Valium to help with my fear of flying so I was crying & had dug my nails into the ex’s leg, not even realizing I was doing it. The ex, who had never flown before, took quite a bit of his own prescription of Valium & was completely unafraid. When the plane landed I heard passengers asking who was crying but I didn’t fess up lol! It turns out an off duty flight attendant was crying too, THATS never a good sign…yikes!
One Turkish lady died on this plane crash after 2 years they found her body and coincidentally i was passing by a mosque in İstanbul and i saw her funeral her name was Fatma ceren necipoğlu. İ never forget this coincidende since 12 years.
Regardless of the auto-pilot disconnect, and potential lack of training, one of the most basic situations that any pilot MUST understand how to manage is a stall. The attitude indicator was functioning properly and indicated a stall, and yet the PF made the exact opposite inputs than any training will dictate that you should make - namely he pulled the nose up, instead of pointing it down which would have abated the stall almost immediately. There simply is no excuse for this to happen. It is mind-boggling that a crew of a major airline, in an advanced aircraft that is functioning properly, could allow this to happen. Lack of CRM, poor airmanship was the real cause of this accident. The number one rule in aviation is "Fly the Aircraft," and they did not do that.
This! I already replied to another comment that Bonin's behaviour is absolutely baffling to me. Everyone who ever flew a decently made flight simulator (even if it's only on a desktop PC) knows that constantly pulling up is going to stall a plane. It's basically one of the first things you automatically figure out when you're new to flight simulations.
Once they finally called the captain in from his rest period, he diagnosed the problem within seconds, but sadly they had waited too long, and it was too late. As for the other 2 pilots, no matter how much training and simulator time with accident scenarios and psyc evals, u never know, how they will react in an emergency, until theyre in it. The senior FO made 1 real mistake, he didnt clearly state "my aircraft", but except for the actions of Bonin, he would highly likely have managed the emergency just fine. Bonin however turned out to be 1 of the ppl, who may score high in training, but in a real emergency their brain pretty much shut down, and they forget everything and usually do most or all things wrong. I once worked with such a person, thankfully not in a job with lives at stake, but he was good at his job, always seemed competent and well educated, but the 1 time, where things suddenly crashed in on us, he couldnt handle the stress, and he became another obstacle. Unfortunately, he also turned out to be 1 of the ppl, who cant admit, they f'd up, so afterwards he was extremely defensive, even aggressive, in his defense of, how he certainly did everything right. Lets just say, he didnt work there much longer. But until that emergency, there were no signs of any of that. Personally, Ive been in crunch situations a few times, and Im 1 of the lucky 1s, where everything just seems to narrow in and allow me to focus and do, what needs doing, but afterwards Im a wreck, shaking all over with the adrenalin shock. That scared me a bit the first time, but once I knew, how I react in an emergency, I could handle. We're all different, and its easy to say, how we would react in an emergency, but the truth is, we never know, until we try it. Sadly, Bonin did not react well.
@@EinFritzMitXI read the ice build up in the pitot tubes caused false readings and depicted the aircraft loosing altitude hence why he was pulling back on the side stick?
I think some sympathy for the pilot and FO's is deserved... It must have been incredibly disorienting to be flying into one of the more notorious and remote oceanic stretches of severe weather with icing, complicated by an indicated airspeed mismatch -- and then suddenly the flight computer dumps them to alternative law 2. I can't imagine the fear when your avionics start throwing errors and you're questioning even the basics, knowing you have hundreds of souls depending on you just behind the cockpit door. Flying in the dark without a reliable airspeed indicator, no functioning stall warning you can trust, and now you're doubting the other avionics on your cluster... that would be terrifying (I'd imagine, I'm not a pilot). I agree - It took them way too long to arrive at the diagnosis of a stalled condition - but you can tell from the cockpit voice recorder that they weren't sure if they were stalled or not, and/or overspeeding the airframe or not, and I guess the prospect of nose down to re-coordinate the airflow over the wings scared them, or didn't occur to them in time while they still had 30k of air between them and the ocean. The FO had the stick pulled back for nearly the entire time. The same FO that kept inputting dual inputs (and frankly, inputted the first offending nose up input for no reason) despite multiple requests to clear the inputs and give control to the left seat showed extremely poor judgment. It seems easy to diagnose from here, they're giving full power with a nose up attitude - but they are not climbing. What else could it be but a stall? Control surface icing? Some esoteric flight computer bug? But overall, I agree with you and the video - ultimately the lack of familiarity with emergency preparedness procedures, and inability to diagnose and troubleshoot in the moment is what lead to the failure to recover from the stall, and tragically, the loss of so many lives.
Because of Bonin’s unshared decision to keep the nose up and in the stall, they were focusing on other areas to solve the problem and keep the plane flying. It almost seems suicidal in truth. By the time the Captain was informed of Bonin’s choice, they just couldn’t recover.
Turbulence really give me anxiety and I cannot rest if I experience it on the flight. This is the reason why I don't enjoy riding planes. You know if a vehicle on land crashes, you have higher probability of survival. But planes in the sky? I doubt it.
Whenever someone says that flying a plane is safer than driving a car THIS is the point I bring up too. Yes, it‘s safer. But i‘d rather experience a car crash than a plane crash. The mere image of possibly dropping down from the sky knowing that you‘re GOING to die is horrifying.
I worked on jumbo jets, all programs at the Everett Boeing plant for 8 years, and I’ve only been on one flight in my entire life in the early 2000’s on a middle school trip to New York. And I don’t think I’ll ever go on one again. I have frequent nightmares of being on a flight and it losing control.
Me too! Terrible nightmares! If I have to fly, I sit in utter internal terror the whole time. I always pray to God to not let me die in a plane crash. Even though I trust God and know I would be with him, hearing the terror of others would still cause me great pain in my final moments if this were to happen. I try not to fly if possible, but there are times I have to and I do not enjoy a single second of it! Rip to these precious people who lost their lives! 😢
@@headcreeps2138The logic behind this kind of thing is that you can easily survive a car crash but if the plane goes down you are going to die no matter what
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
Yea out of all the airplane disasters documentaries I’ve watched I feel the most anxiety from this one it’s like I can feel those panic from the confusion and knowing the plane is going down especially when one of the pilots says “this can’t be true”. Everyone is in disbelief from the actions of FO Bonin but i kinda feel bad for him. I think one explanation might be that he panicked the way we would if we’re about to crash into wall quickly press the brakes too hard
@@Robert_N I don't know about that. There is basically only one thing you can hit when in a plane and that is the ground and sea so him pulling the nose up is like him trying to avoid that ie putting on the brakes. But in the case of flying it does the opposite. Although putting the nose down would be accelerating to the ground which is why he was doing the nose up
In a car, you slow down to avoid crashing. In a plane, you must speed up. Always remember that. Pointing the nose up only slows the plane down more. The pilot was grossly incompetent.
And after reading the official report, the Captain basically did nothing when he was called back to the cockpit. He just sat in the back not doing much of anything except watch it all unfold when his experience was needed first-hand. Ridiculous.
He couldn't figure out what was wrong either, but ìf he would've been sharp, he would've told Robert to vacate the Capt seat, told him to go to the FO seat, and kick Bonin out of his seat.
@@kevinmalone3210I’ve thought the same too. He should have TAKEN CONTROL, especially after observing Bonin pulling back on his stick. He should have neutralized the situational errors or AT LEAST TRIED in this way. Panic ruled.
He hadn't slept the night before, so he wasnt sharp at all. Just having l'amour with his sexy Brazilian Gf. Typical hedonist of the apparent culture in Air France said a report. Sad
Some opportunities, such as obtaining a commercial pilot license, should not be accessible to everyone. It is evident that there are one or two pilots who are too incompetent to operate an aircraft full of passengers. They are so inept that they even forget the basic rules.
@@christerry1773 to be fair a pilot controlling an Airliner should be able to hand fly a plane for 60 seconds without entering a stall which he then aggravates and sustains for 38000 feet…
@@Anngus_ agreed but take into Account the situation here. With no warning loosing all vital instruments, not knowing what was valid. Traveling 500 mph through turbulence at night(total darkness) Then having a stall alarm that would stop chiming when the stick was pulled all the way. And the flight director indicating to pull up.
This awful tragedy i will never forget, so many pilots are useless and should never be in control of a plane, its the most scary thing about flying. Sitting in a plane with a bad pilot
Found the channel from the video about Helios 522 incident, thank you so much for the thorough explanation even for non aviation experts, respect towards the victims and overall informative rather than dramatic nature of the videos. Hope all the hard work that goes into your videos gets recognised more and more
@@theplatinumtakeoff6215you can’t use autopilot in alternate law, and you have to go to alternate law when pitot tubes are blocked and airspeed is unreliable. You don’t know anything about Airbus aircraft computer systems
This is a case where to much technology and counting on it to fix itself is dangerous. All these system malfunctions and not being able to just understand what caused the issue is dangerous. Complacency and counting on technology is a fatal error. The easier life gets for people the harder it is for someone to cope with difficult situations.
It goes to show that over reliance on AI and technology can be dangerous, technology cannot replace human skill and intuition and we are not in a place yet to substitute it for human ingenuity. Under-training crew thinking AI will just cover the gaps is dangerous!
A mechanical link between the two control sticks, such that they could not be operated in different directions, might have made a big difference here. What is Airbus' control logic outputting when it is given conflicting inputs? Obviously it's yelling, "dual control" out loud in the cockpit, but what control output is it commanding. Is it just deciding to command nothing? Is it deciding to blend the conflicting inputs? Is it somehow selecting one input over the other, and if so how is the priority determined? Seems like a pretty dumb solution to figure all that out, when the solution to just have the two sticks linked together exists. There should almost never be a condition under which you command a roll or pitch change and the plane doesn't try to do what you asked.
The video quality and commentary is exemplary. I wish you had given the conclusion that this was truly pilot error as flying a plane level without auto pilot is a basic requirement which one pilot decided to ignore.
This channel is awesome. The dual imput should tell the pilots that something is not right. This crash was very sad but preventable. One of the copilot should have gone to the captain and wake him up. RIP to everyone who lost their lives.
Can Not Imagine The Surreal Out of Body Experience Level of Fear and Adrenaline That Runs Through Every Atom of Your Mind and Body in This Situation as You Wait to Slam into Middle of Ocean in Pitch Dark Night Knowing You are About to Instantly Die
tbh I can see how the crew was confused. Flying through a storm, sensors freezing up, not knowing which displays or audible warnings are accurate, no visual cues, and a very short time to correct easy to make mistakes. It's easy in hindsight to understand their faulty decisions but it all happened in 2-3 minutes before the plane was doomed.
I can sort of see that, especially the captain coming back and being overloaded with all these alerts and nobody briefing him, but initially - that FO should never have had control if he can’t hand fly for 60 seconds, that’s insane. 16 degrees AoA for seemingly no reason at the start is just nuts. Did that guy even look at his ADI? And all that excessive roll, I was taught within 10 hours to stop over controlling. A commercial pilot shouldn’t be experiencing pilot induced turbulence
@@Anngus_ Yes you're right he did a very poor job I'm sure he'd never been put in such a difficult situation before and, up to then, been relying more on the automation of the aircraft instead of manually flying the aircraft. Even the most seasoned of pilots may get into a tough situation and make decisions where you wonder how he got all those thousands of flying hours without crashing. THere's a video on YT where an F-15 pilot has an in flight emergency, a fire in the engine, the strict rules were to immediately dump the aircraft and eject but he panicked and flew to the closest air base, landing way too fast, blowing out the tires and finally right before he runs out of runway he ejects and never flew again. Well, he was one of the most experienced fighter pilots in the world with over 4,000 flying hours in the F-15. That's 4,000 hours in an advanced fighter jet that cost about $12,000 an hour to maintain. You can do the math.
Their situation called for what's referred to as a "known pitch and power" response. Meaning a known setting that you know is conducive to safe flight. They panicked and froze.
@PabloGonzalez-hv3td I don't think they panic and froze. Robert was chilled at first because its probably something easy to handle when he saw Bonin couldn't solve it he took sole control but I guess the damage had already been done.
No matter how many times I read,watch or hear about this disaster it still blows my mind how elementary the issue was and much like American 587 its another great example of how too much of anything is bad..even a solution because if u use it too much you may find yourself and your solution as the reason whatever was troubling to begin with, continues to trouble you and possibly trouble you worse than it was originally...Bonin, god man I always stop short of judging him cuz i only judge scum and i know almost certainly that he didnt do this on purpose but damn man so many lives lost over something that shouldnt even trouble pilots with their level of experience..it always trips me out to think of the people on that flight that fell asleep expecting to wake to the day and France only to never wake again...thank u as always for these videos man i really do appreciate every one of em
@@bardlover6 Yea but that's one of the areas I'm still kinda confused on..cuz I've seen and read reports from aviation experts saying it was pandemonium when they were falling and then others who think it was stable enough to where many didn't know what was coming..from what I know and the orientation and rate of Descent I'd think their descent actually wasn't that rough, those awake and especially frequent flyers, specifically on that route would've probably noticed the sound of the air moving over the plane was abnormal but I don't think they knew what it meant or had enough time to process it as something serious before the plane crashed so I think some were asleep and those awake most of them I don't think even noticed an abnormality but maybe a few knew what was happening and I can't imagine what it was like for them
Its kind of appalling how such a mistake that is easily identifiable and prevented, even occured. If you are having poor roll and yaw control, are nose-high and/or attempting and failing to to go nose-high, all while dropping altitude, it is very blatantly apparent, excluding potential for some sort of mechanical failure, that the aircraft is in a stall. And the aircraft itself already had its stall indicators triggered, which should have alarmed the pilots. Recovery should've been automatic to the pilots. Stick and throttle forwards to nose down and increase airspeed and regain control. They had so much time and altitude to perform this recovery. And when one of them finally DID attempt, the 1st officer (who had mostly got the aircraft into this situation in the first place) doesn't release the controls despite saying so. It's a shame that somehow this was even allowed to have happened. Training should have made such a simple mistake very simple and fast to correct, but all the textbook WRONG (particularly holding the stick back for nearly the entire descent) answers were used. Thats the most depressing part. How something very simply recognized, countered, and prevented, with all the information at their disposal...was not on any of those counts, resulting in this awful loss of life.
Lack of situational awareness in a moment of extreme stress. That’s what ultimately did in AF 447. Aside from Bonin seemingly forgetting his training, I’m shocked the captain didn’t step in to attempt to take control of the situation. I realize it was mere minutes, but Bonin was panicking and the last place he should’ve been in that moment was the chair.
@katief8449 I read the pilot had only got 1 hr of sleep the night before so I think he may have just been over exhausted and thought he was dreaming. One day I stayes up all night and didn't go to sleep and the next day I was completely out of it almost like i was drunk.
I’ve always hated flying, now everything with Boeing idk if I’ll ever get on a plane again willingly 😖 especially after watching this (great video btw!)
We appreciate your insights on this case. Imagine not being able to escape or hop off the plane while experiencing turbulence 24/7. I probably would've been still shaking to the core to this day.
Lives were lost. That's the horrific part. Why bring up their nationalities or their sex or their profession? Unless of course, you knew them personally then yea that's a bummer.
A nose up is a dangerous airplane attitude according to classic acrobatic manual, I can't believe that the pilot was pulling up the stick continuously. Also all the automation makes the pilot overconfident and comfortable and when they lose it sometimes is an issue. IMO they should fly mono engine airplanes and/or sailplanes periodically in order to re fresh the basics.
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Why is it there are 13 plus thousand views and I was the 333rd like 👍🏼 and I see this all the time. This is the first time I’m watching your channel and with all the work put into it I just don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to press the like button if they’re gonna watch something. Do it before you forget at the end, you can always undo it if you hate it. 🤦🏻♀️ it’s the first thing I do when I decide to actually watch a video. And if something turned out to be totally insulting and or insane, I just unlike it.
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It’s easy to underestimate the work that goes into these videos
The like button leaves everything you’ve liked on your “liked” button, once I’ve watched somthinf I don’t need ir to be stored in my profile. I only like songs I want to go back to and listen to again, other than that there’s no need to like videos I’ll watch once and never go back to. RUclips needs a heart button so I can heart the video and not have ir stored on my profile in the liked section
We don’t enjoy it we stress ourselves
Plane crashes are always terrifying but an ocean crash at night in bad weather is just horrifyingly cruel
😔🙏 rest easy, victims
Honestly, most of them would have been asleep and would not have known, given the fact the plane hit the water in a near level position. I do believe that there should be flight recorder microphones in the cabin. This should be made available to the public, to hold airlines and manufacturers to account.
@@michaela7100are you joking? I wish that were true but that plane mushed down to the ocean at a huge speed. The plane would also be violently moving from side to side. You think they just landed in the sea like a plane lands at an airport 😂
@@michaela7100also the recorder is available. Your lack of knowledge but still making a comment is astounding
Mushed?
I think I would prefer that to any other. Not having visual references would be better.
Imagine the feeling during those three minutes of the freefall. You can see the lightning, feel the plane descending. You know you are over the middle of the ocean, and you are not going to survive the impact. Truly terrifying.
Horrendous !! 😮💀
@@nickslick75You must be fun at parties
@@ajay.gilligI'm sure he's never invited
@ajay.gillig @ethanreaves8429 Yooo yall are funnyyy😂😂😂😂
I had extreme anxiety throughout the video
I’m from Brazil . I will never forget this tragedy because my teacher’s nephew was on that plane , I still remember the prayer we did in her class. I was 10 years old but I will never forget the sadness on her face
I also know somebody whose young child was on that flight, returning to boarding school. He used to go to my school, but they had moved to Brazil and he was then enrolled in boarding school, in the UK. After a school holiday, spent with his parents in their new country, he was put on the flight back to the UK, going first to CDG airport in Paris, then connecting to a flight to LHR. But the flight sadly never made it to CDG. I can’t imagine their life now; he was their only son and eldest child and the fact that he was alone on the flight, when it went down… I just have no words! RIP, Alexander 💔
@@lennonsvrchannel News flash: Brazil has the second largest Christian population. It’s not like everyone is a devout Christian, it’s rather ingrained in their culture. You’re welcome
@@lennonsvrchannel Whatever you say Lucifer.
@@lennonsvrchannelpeople like you are why I'm always ashamed to say I'm an atheist. Having respect for other beliefs isn't hard.
@@1DarkBlossomChrétiens du carnaval
I used to teach english at a languages school at that time in Brazil, one of my students used to have english classes with me and french classes with another teacher twice a week. Long story short she was supposed to be on flight 447 but she changed her ticket last minute to another one a week later because she wanted to finish all the chapters of her book before travelling.... The week before the accident she was complaining to us of how much the company charged her to switch tickets, that extra amount literally saved her life.
Wow, what a story.
Yes,everything happens for a reason and that reason is that God was protecting her and I also suspect that the reason this happened was that those people were and people and their demise was atonement for their evil deeds but that's just my spiritual opinion.I was told not to long ago that when I was moving from California to Florida when we got caught in a storm the only reason the plane didn't go down was because I was on board. That God has sent Archangel Micheal to help the pilot fly the plane.I was scared at first when the pilot announced that we had hit turbulence but that he would try to get us out of there as fast as possible,to hold tight and then all of a sudden the plane was out of there.When I found out that the demons that were trying to take the plane down to kill me had been beat I cried tears of joy now knowing how much God really loves me and how precious I am to Him.
@SmokinBidenPack ,so I was told by some experts I asked.I told them about that and they said that God sent Micheal to help the pilot to fly the plane.If you have a problem with what I was told then you can complain about it to them. Have a goodnight
So are you saying the children on board that plane deserved to die? Are you serious?
@HoneyBee0123 so are you saying those children on board deserved to die?
“Looks like we’re about to fly into a storm”
Captain leaves to take a nap.
Based on the explanation of that geographical location and the amount of flight hours the captain had, that was probably something he'd seen 100s of times.
He probably didnt anticipate the lack of experience of his crews.
Yes I always say this but no one else seems to think it. Dubois and bonin are on the same level of blame. He was too comfortable and decided to go through a storm that air force pilots would not have gone through if not necessary 😡😡
Crazy
Yea, and he was not even back, didn't he realise the plane was swerving??
Very nice to have a section dedicated to the moment of silence for the victims. They always seem to dissapear in the statistics and dramatizations, but they are the most important in all tragedies.
Very true
for sure. 100%Respect!!
So classy
😂😂😂😂
I am a flight attendant currently studying to be a pilot. I like watching these videos to learn about prior accidents and they are so important for cabin crew to know. Rest in peace to all of the passengers and flight crew.
Good luck on your studying! Hope you'll bring a safer sky with you!
Funny, one day I might be on your flight and I will never know it :)
@@Rick52527 What do you mean by that? I think 99% of the pilots are watching stuff like this if we are watching
...what would cabin crew have possibly done to prevent this?????
Wishing you a lifetime of success and fulfillment ❤️😊
Which airline?
Excellent narrator, no hyped voice, perfect pitch, ...makes a lot of difference for a listener.
Thanks!
And it doesn't sound computer generated! I hate those.
It sounds like a CGI Matt Berry lol
I thought it was Peter Serafinowicz
Imagine if this was narrated by NasDaily or Real Life lore
This one of the most comprehensive explanations of an aircraft disaster I've ever watched.
Thanks!
When you said into the unknown it gave me chills. Imagine going down at night. Not knowing when or what you'll hit. OMG
“Hey Captain welcome back from your nap.. Our plane is going down”
Exactly
Because of our incompetence
My point sometimes is not the plane itself is human error that cause most accidents, meaning maintenance check or doing half job on repairs etc
Just to go right back to sleep forever
@@shawnvalencia8124 the pilot was drunk and the stewardess was naked as well.
A lady from my college was on this flight. I did not know her but it was sad seeing her picture in the halls
Very sad. Which college is that?
We all have to die one day. So prepare for your next life. Worship only Allah. That's the straight path.
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We all have to die one day. So prepare for your next life. Worship only Allah. That's the straight path.
@@Iamthewarner557please keep your beliefs to yourself smh
@@Iamthewarner557how on earth would you know? “Trust me bro, there is a sky daddy you have to spend eternity with, and he is the only true sky daddy”.
Worship the sun, irrefutable creator of life, or worship death - who comes for all life. Allah is nowhere and nothing in life.
probably one of the most preventable accidents in aviation history
How could it have been prevented? Sorry I’m a little slow
I’m not in the aviation industry and have no knowledge of it but from what I gathered from the video. It sounds like the pilots did not know how to correct failures in the flight induced by the bad weather. The best analogy I can think of is think of someone in car, driving in bad weather and suddenly their car hydroplanes…and then to correct the car from hydroplaning they over correct by aggressively handling the steering wheel.
@@Taylor-ls8kv thanks, it makes a lot more sense now, with a 'real life' example.
@Rubin250I don’t get why the pilots didn’t think they were not in stall when the alarm was literally calling out stall. And another thing don’t hundreds of plans fly through that ocean during storms weekly so how could this have been a complete unexpected surprise that the petot tubes or anything else malfunction for a few minutes. I think one expert said in some documentary that all the pilots had to do was literally leave everything alone and not touch the anything. Crazy sad story
@@laylahahmad6468 the pitot tubes which deliver data to the sensors about air speed etc had become clogged with ice hence all the wild conflicting alarms both pilots got. Bonin kept causing a duel input alarm because he wouldn’t stop pulling back on his controls even when he agreed the other guy was in control of the plane. Bonin kept the nose pointed up which caused the stall and the plane fell from the sky.
Its very scary that a trained pilot could be so incompetent with flying a plane they are in charge of. To constantly pull back on the side stick is just unbelievable.
Nepotism, guaranteed.
Even as a someone who has no idea how to fly a plane I understand that pulling back when you’re stalling is a very bad idea
Man I was furious to see what they did! Like three terified pigeons ! I have lots of flight sim experience to know that the most easy and most trained situation is stall recovery! They were at cruise level, they had 20 times to recover! I'm just furious and sad that such loss of life happened because of rookie mistake....
You never know how people will react and respond to critical high stress situations.
They panicked and had no business in the air.
"Let's prioritize learning from others to ensure safer skies for everyone" is probably one of the best quotes I've heard in a very long time. Thank you for this video, I'm looking forward to watching more of your channel. :)
This was such a rookie mistake that every most basic training prepares you for that scenario first... there is just no excuse for what they did ! Three frightened pigeons, thats what they were!
@@sindoorbelic8036 Great job focusing on the negative that had nothing to do with my comment, buddy! I never said anything about the situation itself, just a specific quote regarding it.
@@h1ghm4int3n4nc3 Sorry I was really pissed because so many pilots have made this stupid mistake that they obviously didn't learn anything from others....
@@sindoorbelic8036 Absolutely horrendous. I don't think people who can't manage stress properly should be flying planes. I've seen other flight videos when pilots and first officers handle issues with a calm composure and the outcome is generally much better.
I honestly can't understand how the PIC can sleep, knowing the state of the weather condition. Even if he was feeling sleepy, the seriousness of the situation should have cleared his eyes immediately
His gf was on the plane, and they had a layover in Rio the night before. He was very sleepy. This is one of those parts they leave out.
The weather wasn't even a serious condition. Nothing was even wrong with how the plane was flying. The incorrect air speed reading caused the co-pilot to pull up on the controls for an extended period of time which caused the airplane to stall and drop out of the sky.
@@XYZ_55You're pushing all the blame onto Bonin when a flight is about teamwork. The co-pilot demonstrated anxiety about the convergence zone FOUR times and the idiot who was supposed to be in the lead ignored him. If he had stayed in the cockpit for another 15 minutes (estimated time to cross the zone) or respected the previous day's rest protocol for international flights, we wouldn't be watching this video now.
@@pame8164agreed so much...idiot captain...!!!
@@TaurusMoon-hu3pd more like mistress
Just imagining the terror of the passengers all this time is horrific.
Should've shown that part in the video , it would've been more dramatic
It must have been terrifyingly noisy for the passengers by the speed the plane was dropping....shame
Putting your life in the hands of someone you don't see
@@nunyabusiness5275 it was all the co pilots fault for pulling the lever right back 😔
actually the passengers most likely felt nothing, just a turbulence or some light negative Gs, just the way the pilots didnt feel the Gs of the plane going down
Imagine sitting in a stall for that length of time and continuing to pitch up, it just boggles the mind how did he ever got a pilots licence.
Blinded by stress (which is unusual as stress management is part of the selection and training process)
Im not a pilot, but still I feel like his actions were so illogical 😢
@@lineakristensen1821ok Spock.
I just like planes, but is so logic to me the wings angle attack lift and stall concepts. Poor guy, how could he get so lost pulling that stick back the whole time. Really sad story. RIP all those poor souls 😔
Apparently they don't train them to actually fly the plane anymore 🤯
From 38.000 feet to sea level in 3 1/2 minutes? That's shocking indeed!
3.5 minutes is long af
@sunnybright8206 if you know how far 38000 feet is you'd know it was too fast.
@@SanusiAdewale its incredibly fast true
55 meters a sec @@SanusiAdewale
The plane became a bullet
Yes I have flight anxiety. Yes I watch these documentaries which accentuate my flight anxiety.
No but this must have been absolutely and utterly terrifying. Praying for the victims' families 🙏🏻😔
I will never set foot on a plane.My country has enough beauty and history for me!😊
Avoid Air France as apparently it has this "culture " of lax attitude amongst the crew according to some
hey i never fly
I watch these videos while on flights
@@legitbeans9078 Remind me never to sit anywhere near you!🤣😂🤣😂😉👍
Two of my family are Airbus Captains/Check Airmen. After this accident (negligence), their companies ran every one of their pilots through scenarios like this and procedures to recover. The conclusion was that this crew crashed a flyable aircraft due to breakdown in cockpit resource management and communication. This has happened all too many times in the past.
Lmao "okay everybody, lets run a simulation on what happened, so we know what to do, even though we have the power of hindsight and already know what to do"😂😂
@@genocyber4842isn’t there value in practicing and training pilots? It’s why we did fire drills in school
If he never pulled back on the stick the plane would have kept flying normally, the pitots would unfreeze, the IAS would come back and they could reengage autopilot and everyone would be fine.
@@billyd5749 it was the pitot tube freezing up which caused the computer to change from normal law to extended law, in normal law this couldn’t have happened as the computer would have interrupted, in extended law unfortunately the pilot had full control.
@@simony2801yep. He lost all protections.
Unfreakinbelievable. What are the odds of getting three incompetent pilots on the same flight?
Go to France and observe their customer service skills and work ethic (or lack thereof) and you'll understand. They literally had national protests over the retirement age going from like 58 to 60.....
It is hard to believe in 5 minutes not one of the pilots even sent a distress call. What if people survived the initial crash. They would have no rescue organised.
Typical French "professionals." If you ever stay for more than a month in France, you will see it EVERYWHERE. Never fly with French pilots!
Easy! You can easily get them anywhere and in any capacity - look at the WH - two idiots are in there now - Biden and Harris - and look at the disaster we are experiencing as a result in the U.S.A.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 You cannot even back your silly French bashing with actual facts. The recent protest about the retirement age took place regarding a bill that changed the retirement age from 62 years old to 64, not 58 to 60. For the record, life expectancy in good health of workers in the lowest stratas is hardly over 60 years old. And the protests were also about our democracy given the fact the government carried on with its bill although 75% of French People, 90% of workers and even a majority of the parliament opposed the project.
The moment of silence Is such a nice touch. Very professional, considerate and educational.
I want to make it clear; the plane basically broke up and exploded upon impact with the water. It did not sink in one piece
Thank you, I was confused on that part.
O wow ok 😢
Yes but I didn’t ask so shut the fuck up?
My late father's work colleague was on this flight. May they all RIP.
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My friends sisters best friends former roommate was on this plane.
So what does that make us?
@@theplatinumtakeoff6215bro.
This story is absolutely horrifying and tragic. RIP to all the souls on Flight 447.
To the content creator, you absolutely nailed this account. Your storytelling, information gathering, format and respect for the lives lost is beautifully executed. You have talent good sir.
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I watch a lot of these things. Air crash docs. And AF447 is one of the most if not the most heartbreaking, needless loss of life. Bonin had brain freeze - like when you look for your phone with it in your hand, or look for your spectacles with them on your head. He couldn't see what he was doing by overlooking what he was doing - only realising when it was already too late. Truly heartbreaking
Yes it's a truly heartbreaking story!
To be fair, the flight director seemed to be telling him to pull up.
I agree that he got locked into his preconceptions, but this was easier to happen than I thought before I knew the whole story.
Great way to put it! So true
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
An absolutely air headed take from someone who had not understood the facts and complexity surrounding this incident.
16:34 A moment of silence for the victims who lost their lives. A beautiful tribute, thank you. 🙏🏻
Half a year after this flight I flew this route to South America and I was absolutely anxious. At night over water is just scary
I remember hearing about this one. Ultimately the plane crashed because of iced over pitot tubes followed by Bonin constantly pulling back on his controls(the last time of which he did it without telling the others) and basically locked Robert out by doing so. Both lost complete situational awareness but Bonin basically caused the crash.
That’s terrifying and I pray that all those poor people are at peace.
I talked to a few of them and they are still pretty pissed...
The mother of an 11y old victim who travelled with family friends committed suicide a year later.
Your words are hollow.
How dare you! Lol@@susivarga7303
@@susivarga7303learn to cope susi
@@susivarga7303Ok actually nobody cares about the victims then, already forgot what this video was about.
Does that sound better? No? Then be glad that's not all you've heard. Nobody owes you condolences. It's genuine and heartfelt, far from hollow and that's a rare thing coming from most people.
Be pissed at the 2nd officer who basically stalled the aircraft and never recovered it. The plane likely just dropped out of the sky and hit the ocean at no faster than terminal velocity. Totally avoidable.
In a nutshell, the crew knew how to turn on and turn off computers, but they did not know how to fly the plane. Technology is a wonderful thing, except when it becomes so advanced pilots forget how to do their job (or never learn in the first place).
Yeah and many many hours of the same procedure
SO awesome you took time to honor those souls who sadly perished. Finally a great space to listen and learn... Thank you!
"A simulation exercise after the accident demonstrated that with no pilot inputs, AF447 would have remained at its cruise altitude following the autopilot disconnection." Damn
It's still a simulation though
@@fracturedsolace145 even the possibility is haunting
@@fracturedsolace145those simulations are near perfect tho
@@fracturedsolace145You do realize- pilots use those simulations to practice because they are so accurate. Right????
@@fracturedsolace145 Not really, Bonin killed them it's simple as that.
One passenger was a Turkish musician. Her body was found in 2011. RIP for everyone who lost their lives.
Did she reanimated as a zombie
@@HungarianRepublic What a strange question. Of course not. She is resting in peace in her grave. May I ask What did you mean by asking that? Where did come from zombies in you mind?
Are you her fan? My condolences to you.
@@HungarianRepublicweirdo
I think I’ve seen every plane crash & listened to every cockpit recording available on RUclips, and I must say that only the suicide mission pilots infuriated me more than the pilots of this flight.
Yes that one where that pilot took over and killed himself and the everyone on board too. He planned it. Sickening.
@@elliepowell1317was this the one that happened in China?
I think they are referencing the Germanwings crash in the Frennch Alps in 2015. The pilot locked the other pilot out when he went out to use the toilet & deliberately committed suicide & murdered everyone else by crashing into the moutain. @LucasDimoveo
@@jenniferlisow2901 holy fuck
To me, it's really just Bonin - once he finally says that he's had his stick back *the whole time,* the pilot almost immediately figured out the problem, but they were leaving 10,000 dropping like a rock by then, with no way to save it... I feel the same way as you - I actually got mad that Bonin is dead, so we can't ask him how a pilot doesn't realize that pulling the controls back for minutes on end in a stall is a bad idea. This is one reason I'm not a fan of the joystick on this plane - if there had been a yoke, it probably would have been noticeable that he was pulling back.
The lack of training and the incompetence of these pilots is staggering.
Genuinely asking, what should they have done? It’s mentioned they were experienced pilots.
@@ShawnS14the video did an absolutely horrible job actually explaining the technicals of what happened, but the co-pilot literally stalled the plane out of negligence and crashed.
They had some iced over equipment which caused them to lose air speed reading (which they got back but then did not trust) and this caused growing panic for some unknown reason.
The captain finally realized what was going on in the last 10-15 seconds, in the transcript you can hear him start yelling to stop pulling up. Shouldn’t have left those two fools in the cabin alone.
Definitely sounds like incompetence was at work, but certainly a lack of training as they said in the report.
@@TheMiniJunkie yes. The pilots likely never actually trained a stall in the cockpit of an actual plane, which is absurd imo.
Thanks for all the answers here guys!
A former friends 11 year olds brother was on this flight alone. I think of him often
🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
Horseshit.
Oh god reading this comment was a punch in the gut. May he rest easy :(
Former friend? :(
Friend in common. I also knew of the 11 y/o. He was on his way back to boarding school and was on his own, an unaccompanied minor. RIP, little guy.
I've watched every air crash investigation, and you quickly realise one thing...
Too many recent accidents are due to pilot error.... and those errors happen far more frequently at night.
This is a prime example of just that...
Of course, flying is really safe.. but i avoid flying at night where i can.
Exactly!
My brother in law, who is an airline pilot flying Airbus aircraft explaned to me, that modern airliners-especially Airbus models - are actually not meant to be hand-flown. The technology and design of these aircrafts is way too complex to be handled by the pilots. If everything works well, the computers can handle the aircraft much better than a human pilot could do. The pilot of an A 330 is primarily just overseeing and monitoring the autopilot flying the plane - he or she is normally not steering the aircraft at any time-only at take off, but not necessarily. He explained to me, that even for an expreriencerd pilot, it is very difficult fo hand-fly an A 330, if the autopilot does not receive valid flight data flying at high altitude and without any visual reference.
The co-pilots is always blamed having caused the accident and being a bad pilot- but my brother -in-law says, that, being thrown in a situation like that, 90 % of pilots would run into problems as any manual input at this alitude may have dire consequences without correct flight data...sounds scary....
This is one heck of an infamous accident. It's incredibly frustrating, but I try to remember that the flight deck is not an easy place to be, especially under great stress. Sad nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.
This, I see a lot of comments putting blame and pointing fingers. But we're all human and sometimes our brains just...fail. Under stress we can go into a panic and freeze or otherwise lose all sense of direction and logic, in spite of any training or intervention. I try to remember the human part in this, Bonin didn't act out of ignorance, stubbornness or malice, he was a man whose brain just failed him. Already the cockpit of an aircraft is a high-pressure environment and when all those alarms go haywire I can't imagine the fear and stress that could cause, sometimes a person can't pull their cognizance back from that. Unfortunately this is just a case of stress causing needless tragedy
@@GrimFelArtexactly this. Plus there was multiple things to focus on plus the plane switched into Alt mode and iirc it wasn't an obvious notification so the craft to their knowledge was behaving oddly. Therefore with the on off stall warnings the Brain latches on to fixating in one problem in this case the rolls until it became too late.
@@GrimFelArtit wasn't ignorance or malice but it was gross incompetence. If one doesn't know how to do a job, or if one has anxiety or stress, and do everyone a favor and don't do it. Some people just want money or Prestige and that's selfish. That's like saying we should forgive a cop if he's stressed out and suddenly shoot someone. You don't take jobs if you don't have a high stress tolerance. Leave those jobs to people who can handle it. This is murder through gross incompetence and negligence.
@@SS-cd6iethe best police officers in the world sometimes fold under certain pressures…like the comment above you said “we’re all human” the difference between a cop and a pilot is a cop isn’t responsible for 200 people on an airliner…you act like Pilots are robots who are wired together in a lab or something smh pilots make errors just like every other job…there jobs are just more deadly
@@GrimFelArt I hear you. I think it falls on the airline though, I feel like they should train for all kinds of scenarios including this
In a saturated RUclips genre, I really like the style of this channel.
Thanks! :) I appreciate your comment!
This is terrifying to watch….
Exactly. It's always dark and cloudy when retell these stories.
1 - The pilot goes for a nap just before the plane enters a thunderstorm
2 - The co-pilot does everything possible to crash the plane
_Amazing that the formal investigation did not clearly point that out. OR Air France acknowledging its pilots being the main cause of the crash_ 😥
Why would they do that? They clearly won’t because they know it’ll affect their own business
I still think it was intentional. Noseup for 5 min is not called for in any flying situation. It defies all logic & he ignored several requests to F off but he kept taking over control. It was bizarre
An Iberia plane was close by and they were surprised when the Air France went straight into the middle of the storm instead of doing a detour, like they did. That was the first error.
A particular section of the video dedicated to the ones who lost their lives... First time seeing an youtuber with such a high level of ethics...❤❤
I'm a flight sim aviator and I'm shocked at how you could stall at that altitude and not be able to recover. Attempting to put on speedbrakes seems deeply incompetent. It was clear from the recreation video the aircraft was stalling, not overspeeding. When in doubt, push the nose down, especially if you are at high altitude and worried about a stall.
Bonin, the co pilot F***** up big time, because he stupidly kept pulling the stick back when they were stalling. This guy had no business being a pilot.
@@kevinmalone3210 Yeah guess the guy wasn't trained properly on physics or something.
Looks like he was to scared to be a pilot.
The pilots crashing the plane wouldn’t have been possible if it was Boeing
@@thomaspulsiver798 This was 100% pilot error. It has nothing to do with the make of the metal.
Seems a lot of chaos on the flight deck with the engineer and the first officer doing opposing things. Very interesting video and it's a subject that fascinates.
Both were FOs. The A330 doesn't have engineers.
I had an acquaintance on that flight, I feel so sorry, thank you for this.
Love how I get these recommendations at night at 1 am
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I've watched many Air Tragedies and this is the only one I've dreamed of. Something hits different about this one.
Exactly, I feel the same way. I was 23 when it happened and had an important exam the next day. Thankfully the exam went well, though my thoughts definitely were elsewhere.
They couldn’t even fly the plane for one minute without autopilot in alternate law. Takes just one min for the pitotubes to clear. Other pilots have had the same scenario and they could fly without reliable airspeed for one minute.
Thank you for the excellent video!
Literally do no nothing and they are fine. It’s crazy that if there was no pilot for that 10 min period, they would have been fine. Crazy
I was in the Army 32 years. The last 22 years as a helicopter pilot. My final 6 years I flew a modern helicopter equipped with autopilot. All my previous aircraft (X4) were non autopilot. Essentially, what you’ve highlighted here is pilots that are not pilots, they are systems managers along for the ride. It’s dark, no horizon, no training and the moment the plane quit flying itself they were doomed. They were spatially disoriented, had no visual cues to assist in judging their airspeed and stalled the aircraft all the way to impact. I understand I have the luxury of not having been on that flight but it seems to me that a GPS could have given them a ground speed reading that could have made due as an indication of airspeed? 3 minutes from 38,000 feet to impact? Seems impossible but if you’ve never experienced spatial disorientation I can tell you that you have absolutely no idea of your position relative to the surface of the earth. Tragic.
The passengers. Wow the courage they had to muster up. Falling for over 3 minutes in a full plane that has lost control. Jesus
Horrible way to die. They had to know the flight was doomed.
The body only feels it's falling when there's acceleration variation. So, after they reached maximum acceleration, they just kept picking up speed, but probably didn't notice the fall. I think they were warned of turbulence and probably most were asleep.
These are the bits I find most interesting, hoping nobody knew what was happening. Would the stewardesses know? Why didn’t the captain come to the cockpit?
it must have been terrible turbulence, no way people were sleeping and if they did, they certainly woke up@@-ari
@@liquid7105 indeed, my bad
I'm not pilot but even I know not to keep pulling up when in a stall. Wasn't that the same guy who kept trying to control the aircraft when he was meant to have handed over though? Sounds like he went into a complete panic.
Or he wanted to do his way . Pride . Or wanted to commit suicide
He believed he was going to fast. Yes you can stall when flying to fast. Also he did not know about the alternate law
Ya bro I bet you would done better then the pilots with more than a thousand hours 🤦🏽♂️
@@Nate1995 Not much of a reader are you.
@@ruk2023-- good one 👏
I’m from Brazil, and I remember this tragedy to this day. One of my professors from college was at this flight, a doctor, alongside with his family. RIP to all those who died that day.
Big 🍑 brazillian
I appreciate the work you are doing here. No sensationalising of the crash with a calm and professional voice. I especially appreciate the moment of silence for the victims. Human lives were lost that day. As a safety engineer in civil engineering, fire prevention primarily, we have to be mindful human lives will be lost if we make mistakes. And as you stated we have to learn from our mistakes, but more importantly from the mistakes of others. A mistake that happened once is a tragedy. A mistake that happened twice is unforgivable.
Thank you for summarising this event in a highly streamlined matter and directly referencing the results of the investigation. This is some important work you are doing here!
I watch and read about a lot of aviation accidents, and AF447 to this day is the most bone-chilling of all in my mind. Reading the transcript from the CVR is terrifying, the crew lost all situational awareness and was completely overwhelmed by all the contradictory alarms and warnings, to the point of paralysis. And yet, they knew: _"On va taper"_ It's utterly tragic.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
No it wasn't the crew. It was one incompetent man.
@@andrewdinns1746 It was the crew, bad CRM, lack of training and faulty Pitot probes. Does Bonin bear more fault than his fellow crew members? In great part arguably yes he does. But stop pinning it solely on him. The captain did not manage the crisis properly either. The instruments sent confusing and seemingly contradictory alerts. A crash is the result of a combination of factors, not just a single one.
@@elanthysIt technically is one single person at fault, because even if all factors were the same minus Bonin it would have been corrected and the plain wouldnt have crashed. People aren't arguing that the situation itself wasnt flawed, they are saying if bonin didnt lose his cool it would have been fine.
@@sew_gal7340 You're proving my point. Change any single factor and the accident wouldn't happen. If Bonin hadn't reacted like he did, if the captain had grasped the situation better, if the pitot tube hadn't frozen, you can go on with hypotheticals all day long, ALL THESE FACTORS COMBINED caused the crash. I will not be discussing this further this is so obvious.
They recovered the BlackBox just 5 weeks after finding the plane?? It was 4,000 meters (2.5 miles) deep! Thats scary deep.
As soon as you find parts and bodies you go there with a sub and well that’s it. Very serious stuff so there’s not time for coffee
@GhostPlaysCodm yeah thats crazy. Especially considering they have to recover the box from mangled wreckage. Plus, at those depths. That's a big mission! If I didn't know any better, I would have thought that was impossible to do.
I thought they searched for 2 years? I remember they found it in 2011
2 years after
Like titanic
Absolutely terrifying! I watch countless aviation videos and this one definitely had me feeling fear at a high level😩 I cannot imagine what they went through in those short moments before meeting their demise
I’ve only ever experienced severe turbulence on a plane once, being an anxiety prone passenger definitely wasn’t helpful here. My ex husband & I were flying on the 2nd leg of our trip from SeaTac & our plane was quite small. We were headed to Bellingham, WA to see my ex’s father one last time as my father in law was terminally ill. This was in November & we were unaware of the storm severity in that area of WA state. We entered a storm with wind gusts of about 60mph, heavy rain & occasional lightning. The plane, a small aircraft which held maybe 40? people & was able to land more easily at the airport in or near Bellingham WA, a small airport consisting of a few “temporary” type buildings similar to some school buildings. The plane was shaking, had side to side rolls and would occasionally buck up & down. I didn’t take enough Valium to help with my fear of flying so I was crying & had dug my nails into the ex’s leg, not even realizing I was doing it. The ex, who had never flown before, took quite a bit of his own prescription of Valium & was completely unafraid. When the plane landed I heard passengers asking who was crying but I didn’t fess up lol! It turns out an off duty flight attendant was crying too, THATS never a good sign…yikes!
This channel does a really good job of animating the events whilst also inducing a huge amount of anxiety! Great job
One Turkish lady died on this plane crash after 2 years they found her body and coincidentally i was passing by a mosque in İstanbul and i saw her funeral her name was Fatma ceren necipoğlu. İ never forget this coincidende since 12 years.
2 years in the water?
İ think more than 2 years.
2 years in the water, it’s really tragic 😢
2 years in the water? You become bones after that much
No, cold water preserve you, i was told there was little bit of body parts in the coffen
Regardless of the auto-pilot disconnect, and potential lack of training, one of the most basic situations that any pilot MUST understand how to manage is a stall. The attitude indicator was functioning properly and indicated a stall, and yet the PF made the exact opposite inputs than any training will dictate that you should make - namely he pulled the nose up, instead of pointing it down which would have abated the stall almost immediately. There simply is no excuse for this to happen. It is mind-boggling that a crew of a major airline, in an advanced aircraft that is functioning properly, could allow this to happen. Lack of CRM, poor airmanship was the real cause of this accident. The number one rule in aviation is "Fly the Aircraft," and they did not do that.
This!
I already replied to another comment that Bonin's behaviour is absolutely baffling to me.
Everyone who ever flew a decently made flight simulator (even if it's only on a desktop PC) knows that constantly pulling up is going to stall a plane. It's basically one of the first things you automatically figure out when you're new to flight simulations.
@@EinFritzMitX Maybe he did it on purpose
@@jessi1345 they have flight record data with his statements and it does not sound like he was doing it on purpose.
Once they finally called the captain in from his rest period, he diagnosed the problem within seconds, but sadly they had waited too long, and it was too late.
As for the other 2 pilots, no matter how much training and simulator time with accident scenarios and psyc evals, u never know, how they will react in an emergency, until theyre in it. The senior FO made 1 real mistake, he didnt clearly state "my aircraft", but except for the actions of Bonin, he would highly likely have managed the emergency just fine. Bonin however turned out to be 1 of the ppl, who may score high in training, but in a real emergency their brain pretty much shut down, and they forget everything and usually do most or all things wrong. I once worked with such a person, thankfully not in a job with lives at stake, but he was good at his job, always seemed competent and well educated, but the 1 time, where things suddenly crashed in on us, he couldnt handle the stress, and he became another obstacle. Unfortunately, he also turned out to be 1 of the ppl, who cant admit, they f'd up, so afterwards he was extremely defensive, even aggressive, in his defense of, how he certainly did everything right. Lets just say, he didnt work there much longer. But until that emergency, there were no signs of any of that.
Personally, Ive been in crunch situations a few times, and Im 1 of the lucky 1s, where everything just seems to narrow in and allow me to focus and do, what needs doing, but afterwards Im a wreck, shaking all over with the adrenalin shock. That scared me a bit the first time, but once I knew, how I react in an emergency, I could handle. We're all different, and its easy to say, how we would react in an emergency, but the truth is, we never know, until we try it. Sadly, Bonin did not react well.
@@EinFritzMitXI read the ice build up in the pitot tubes caused false readings and depicted the aircraft loosing altitude hence why he was pulling back on the side stick?
I just dont understand how trained pilots simply fail to recover from a stall. They just go full panic mode, nose up, brain off?
Evidently they didn't know they were in a stall.
I think some sympathy for the pilot and FO's is deserved... It must have been incredibly disorienting to be flying into one of the more notorious and remote oceanic stretches of severe weather with icing, complicated by an indicated airspeed mismatch -- and then suddenly the flight computer dumps them to alternative law 2. I can't imagine the fear when your avionics start throwing errors and you're questioning even the basics, knowing you have hundreds of souls depending on you just behind the cockpit door. Flying in the dark without a reliable airspeed indicator, no functioning stall warning you can trust, and now you're doubting the other avionics on your cluster... that would be terrifying (I'd imagine, I'm not a pilot).
I agree - It took them way too long to arrive at the diagnosis of a stalled condition - but you can tell from the cockpit voice recorder that they weren't sure if they were stalled or not, and/or overspeeding the airframe or not, and I guess the prospect of nose down to re-coordinate the airflow over the wings scared them, or didn't occur to them in time while they still had 30k of air between them and the ocean. The FO had the stick pulled back for nearly the entire time. The same FO that kept inputting dual inputs (and frankly, inputted the first offending nose up input for no reason) despite multiple requests to clear the inputs and give control to the left seat showed extremely poor judgment.
It seems easy to diagnose from here, they're giving full power with a nose up attitude - but they are not climbing. What else could it be but a stall? Control surface icing? Some esoteric flight computer bug? But overall, I agree with you and the video - ultimately the lack of familiarity with emergency preparedness procedures, and inability to diagnose and troubleshoot in the moment is what lead to the failure to recover from the stall, and tragically, the loss of so many lives.
@@DrachHeinz Maybe it's like if you are swimming and get caught in a rip tide, the worst thing to do is panic.
@@DrachHeinzNo sympathy for the dumbass that still had the stick pulled back when they hit the water. He killed all those innocent people. F him.
Because of Bonin’s unshared decision to keep the nose up and in the stall, they were focusing on other areas to solve the problem and keep the plane flying. It almost seems suicidal in truth. By the time the Captain was informed of Bonin’s choice, they just couldn’t recover.
Turbulence really give me anxiety and I cannot rest if I experience it on the flight. This is the reason why I don't enjoy riding planes. You know if a vehicle on land crashes, you have higher probability of survival. But planes in the sky? I doubt it.
Same here.
Whenever someone says that flying a plane is safer than driving a car THIS is the point I bring up too. Yes, it‘s safer. But i‘d rather experience a car crash than a plane crash. The mere image of possibly dropping down from the sky knowing that you‘re GOING to die is horrifying.
I worked on jumbo jets, all programs at the Everett Boeing plant for 8 years, and I’ve only been on one flight in my entire life in the early 2000’s on a middle school trip to New York. And I don’t think I’ll ever go on one again. I have frequent nightmares of being on a flight and it losing control.
Don't get in a car either then as that's more dangerous 🙄 lots of incompetent drivers out there.
Me too! Terrible nightmares! If I have to fly, I sit in utter internal terror the whole time. I always pray to God to not let me die in a plane crash. Even though I trust God and know I would be with him, hearing the terror of others would still cause me great pain in my final moments if this were to happen. I try not to fly if possible, but there are times I have to and I do not enjoy a single second of it! Rip to these precious people who lost their lives! 😢
@@headcreeps2138The logic behind this kind of thing is that you can easily survive a car crash but if the plane goes down you are going to die no matter what
I was 9 years old at the time, and I remember the media frenzy... it’s one of my earliest memories of this kind.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
Yea out of all the airplane disasters documentaries I’ve watched I feel the most anxiety from this one it’s like I can feel those panic from the confusion and knowing the plane is going down especially when one of the pilots says “this can’t be true”. Everyone is in disbelief from the actions of FO Bonin but i kinda feel bad for him. I think one explanation might be that he panicked the way we would if we’re about to crash into wall quickly press the brakes too hard
@@laylahahmad6468 "if we’re about to crash into wall quickly press the brakes too hard" But in his case he pressed the accelerator too hard.
@@Robert_N I don't know about that. There is basically only one thing you can hit when in a plane and that is the ground and sea so him pulling the nose up is like him trying to avoid that ie putting on the brakes. But in the case of flying it does the opposite. Although putting the nose down would be accelerating to the ground which is why he was doing the nose up
Bonin was green and kept trusting the airspeed indicator over the stall warning 🤦♂️
In a car, you slow down to avoid crashing. In a plane, you must speed up. Always remember that. Pointing the nose up only slows the plane down more. The pilot was grossly incompetent.
Great video! Really in depth look into this accident in only 21 minutes! Amazing. You deserves more subs.
Thanks! :)
@@AviationaccidentsI agree. I'm going to subscribe now. Wow! This is a (Respectful) interesting channel.😊
I've been swimming in the Atlantic my entire life and it's harsh, unpredictable and dangerous. I can't even imagine how horrific it must have been.
Bro you’re crazy.Not a chance n da world
bonin pretty much killed them all with his utter incompetence.
And after reading the official report, the Captain basically did nothing when he was called back to the cockpit. He just sat in the back not doing much of anything except watch it all unfold when his experience was needed first-hand. Ridiculous.
Why do you think he just sat there?
He couldn't figure out what was wrong either, but ìf he would've been sharp, he would've told Robert to vacate the Capt seat, told him to go to the FO seat, and kick Bonin out of his seat.
@@kevinmalone3210I’ve thought the same too. He should have TAKEN CONTROL, especially after observing Bonin pulling back on his stick. He should have neutralized the situational errors or AT LEAST TRIED in this way. Panic ruled.
He hadn't slept the night before, so he wasnt sharp at all. Just having l'amour with his sexy Brazilian Gf. Typical hedonist of the apparent culture in Air France said a report. Sad
@@Shamrocknails89he hasn't slept
Some opportunities, such as obtaining a commercial pilot license, should not be accessible to everyone. It is evident that there are one or two pilots who are too incompetent to operate an aircraft full of passengers. They are so inept that they even forget the basic rules.
Judging everyone based on hindsight
@@christerry1773 Yes, we refer to it as a 'reference'
@@christerry1773 to be fair a pilot controlling an Airliner should be able to hand fly a plane for 60 seconds without entering a stall which he then aggravates and sustains for 38000 feet…
@@Anngus_ agreed but take into
Account the situation here. With no warning loosing all vital instruments, not knowing what was valid. Traveling 500 mph through turbulence at night(total darkness) Then having a stall alarm that would stop chiming when the stick was pulled all the way. And the flight director indicating to pull up.
This awful tragedy i will never forget, so many pilots are useless and should never be in control of a plane, its the most scary thing about flying. Sitting in a plane with a bad pilot
Found the channel from the video about Helios 522 incident, thank you so much for the thorough explanation even for non aviation experts, respect towards the victims and overall informative rather than dramatic nature of the videos. Hope all the hard work that goes into your videos gets recognised more and more
I can see now why my brother is terrified of flying, this is a nightmare
Probably the most haunting air crash ever.
Look up Helios flight 552… way more haunting
Look for gol flight 1907
JAL 123
May the passengers and crew rest in peace.
Not dubois
F the pilots
It sounds like Bonin needed a good slap. Dual imput was the most frustrating thing to hear.
Those people must’ve been so terrified, may God continue to put a blanket of comfort over their love ones I may they rest in peace❤
Seems like this could have been avoided 100%
It was 100% avoidable. If they had just left the auto pilot on and done nothing, they would’ve been fine.
@@theplatinumtakeoff6215you can’t use autopilot in alternate law, and you have to go to alternate law when pitot tubes are blocked and airspeed is unreliable. You don’t know anything about Airbus aircraft computer systems
@@GoatsatanRex Well apparently neither did those pilots.
@@theplatinumtakeoff6215 touché
@@theplatinumtakeoff6215 Lmao
This is a case where to much technology and counting on it to fix itself is dangerous. All these system malfunctions and not being able to just understand what caused the issue is dangerous. Complacency and counting on technology is a fatal error. The easier life gets for people the harder it is for someone to cope with difficult situations.
It goes to show that over reliance on AI and technology can be dangerous, technology cannot replace human skill and intuition and we are not in a place yet to substitute it for human ingenuity. Under-training crew thinking AI will just cover the gaps is dangerous!
Same thing could be said with the newest AI revolution, too. Well summarized
A mechanical link between the two control sticks, such that they could not be operated in different directions, might have made a big difference here.
What is Airbus' control logic outputting when it is given conflicting inputs? Obviously it's yelling, "dual control" out loud in the cockpit, but what control output is it commanding. Is it just deciding to command nothing? Is it deciding to blend the conflicting inputs? Is it somehow selecting one input over the other, and if so how is the priority determined?
Seems like a pretty dumb solution to figure all that out, when the solution to just have the two sticks linked together exists. There should almost never be a condition under which you command a roll or pitch change and the plane doesn't try to do what you asked.
The video quality and commentary is exemplary. I wish you had given the conclusion that this was truly pilot error as flying a plane level without auto pilot is a basic requirement which one pilot decided to ignore.
This channel is awesome. The dual imput should tell the pilots that something is not right. This crash was very sad but preventable. One of the copilot should have gone to the captain and wake him up. RIP to everyone who lost their lives.
Holy crap, the pilot wasn't up????? Just started the video😢
Can Not Imagine The Surreal Out of Body Experience Level of Fear and Adrenaline That Runs Through Every Atom of Your Mind and Body in This Situation as You Wait to Slam into Middle of Ocean in Pitch Dark Night Knowing You are About to Instantly Die
Unfathomable 😌😌😌😌
tbh I can see how the crew was confused. Flying through a storm, sensors freezing up, not knowing which displays or audible warnings are accurate, no visual cues, and a very short time to correct easy to make mistakes.
It's easy in hindsight to understand their faulty decisions but it all happened in 2-3 minutes before the plane was doomed.
I can sort of see that, especially the captain coming back and being overloaded with all these alerts and nobody briefing him, but initially - that FO should never have had control if he can’t hand fly for 60 seconds, that’s insane. 16 degrees AoA for seemingly no reason at the start is just nuts. Did that guy even look at his ADI? And all that excessive roll, I was taught within 10 hours to stop over controlling. A commercial pilot shouldn’t be experiencing pilot induced turbulence
@@Anngus_ Yes you're right he did a very poor job I'm sure he'd never been put in such a difficult situation before and, up to then, been relying more on the automation of the aircraft instead of manually flying the aircraft. Even the most seasoned of pilots may get into a tough situation and make decisions where you wonder how he got all those thousands of flying hours without crashing. THere's a video on YT where an F-15 pilot has an in flight emergency, a fire in the engine, the strict rules were to immediately dump the aircraft and eject but he panicked and flew to the closest air base, landing way too fast, blowing out the tires and finally right before he runs out of runway he ejects and never flew again. Well, he was one of the most experienced fighter pilots in the world with over 4,000 flying hours in the F-15. That's 4,000 hours in an advanced fighter jet that cost about $12,000 an hour to maintain. You can do the math.
Yeah exactly right, everyone is a great pilot watching RUclips on the ground haha
Their situation called for what's referred to as a "known pitch and power" response. Meaning a known setting that you know is conducive to safe flight. They panicked and froze.
@PabloGonzalez-hv3td I don't think they panic and froze. Robert was chilled at first because its probably something easy to handle when he saw Bonin couldn't solve it he took sole control but I guess the damage had already been done.
No matter how many times I read,watch or hear about this disaster it still blows my mind how elementary the issue was and much like American 587 its another great example of how too much of anything is bad..even a solution because if u use it too much you may find yourself and your solution as the reason whatever was troubling to begin with, continues to trouble you and possibly trouble you worse than it was originally...Bonin, god man I always stop short of judging him cuz i only judge scum and i know almost certainly that he didnt do this on purpose but damn man so many lives lost over something that shouldnt even trouble pilots with their level of experience..it always trips me out to think of the people on that flight that fell asleep expecting to wake to the day and France only to never wake again...thank u as always for these videos man i really do appreciate every one of em
I doubt with as rough as the flight was everyone stayed asleep but I hope they did
@@bardlover6 Yea but that's one of the areas I'm still kinda confused on..cuz I've seen and read reports from aviation experts saying it was pandemonium when they were falling and then others who think it was stable enough to where many didn't know what was coming..from what I know and the orientation and rate of Descent I'd think their descent actually wasn't that rough, those awake and especially frequent flyers, specifically on that route would've probably noticed the sound of the air moving over the plane was abnormal but I don't think they knew what it meant or had enough time to process it as something serious before the plane crashed so I think some were asleep and those awake most of them I don't think even noticed an abnormality but maybe a few knew what was happening and I can't imagine what it was like for them
@@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617 How a bone head pilot was allowed to even be in that important seat was the root cause.
@@sred5856the senior pilot had been playing all night so just pulled rank and went to sleep
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I’m sorry, WHAT? You can have pilots flying you around WITH NO MANUAL FLIGHT TRAINING???
Its kind of appalling how such a mistake that is easily identifiable and prevented, even occured.
If you are having poor roll and yaw control, are nose-high and/or attempting and failing to to go nose-high, all while dropping altitude, it is very blatantly apparent, excluding potential for some sort of mechanical failure, that the aircraft is in a stall. And the aircraft itself already had its stall indicators triggered, which should have alarmed the pilots.
Recovery should've been automatic to the pilots. Stick and throttle forwards to nose down and increase airspeed and regain control. They had so much time and altitude to perform this recovery. And when one of them finally DID attempt, the 1st officer (who had mostly got the aircraft into this situation in the first place) doesn't release the controls despite saying so.
It's a shame that somehow this was even allowed to have happened. Training should have made such a simple mistake very simple and fast to correct, but all the textbook WRONG (particularly holding the stick back for nearly the entire descent) answers were used.
Thats the most depressing part. How something very simply recognized, countered, and prevented, with all the information at their disposal...was not on any of those counts, resulting in this awful loss of life.
So sad. The pilots mistakenly held the plane in a stall all the way down to the ocean.
Lack of situational awareness in a moment of extreme stress. That’s what ultimately did in AF 447. Aside from Bonin seemingly forgetting his training, I’m shocked the captain didn’t step in to attempt to take control of the situation. I realize it was mere minutes, but Bonin was panicking and the last place he should’ve been in that moment was the chair.
That's what I'm saying. Why didn't the captain take over? Once the guy applied the brakes the captain should have told him to get out of the seat.
@katief8449 I read the pilot had only got 1 hr of sleep the night before so I think he may have just been over exhausted and thought he was dreaming. One day I stayes up all night and didn't go to sleep and the next day I was completely out of it almost like i was drunk.
@@Shamrocknails89he may have also been drinking out on the town
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Do you actually know what insane means, dude?
I’ve always hated flying, now everything with Boeing idk if I’ll ever get on a plane again willingly 😖 especially after watching this (great video btw!)
I ve just chickened out ofa flight because it's the season of bad thunderstorms and turbulence affecting flights
But you'll get in a car I assume? You're FAR more likely to die in car crash than a plane crash.
@@davea11that’s bc ur in a car way more often than ur in a plane. but a plane crash is pretty much certain death, while a car crash crash isn’t
My deepest condolences to all those who lost loved ones. Thank you for taking a moment to remember them.
We appreciate your insights on this case. Imagine not being able to escape or hop off the plane while experiencing turbulence 24/7. I probably would've been still shaking to the core to this day.
Thanks! :)
As a Brazilian, I feel deeply sorry for everything who lost their life in this tragedy
I'm from Ireland. There was 3 Irish female doctors on this flight. This was horrific
Lives were lost. That's the horrific part. Why bring up their nationalities or their sex or their profession? Unless of course, you knew them personally then yea that's a bummer.
@@Francois176Irish nationalism does weird things.
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This has been a fear of mine, crashing into the ocean in an aircraft.
Anyone who would've experienced this, would literally not know what hit them, and not felt any pain, because it was that fast.
Think I ll stick to overland flights
A nose up is a dangerous airplane attitude according to classic acrobatic manual, I can't believe that the pilot was pulling up the stick continuously.
Also all the automation makes the pilot overconfident and comfortable and when they lose it sometimes is an issue.
IMO they should fly mono engine airplanes and/or sailplanes periodically in order to re fresh the basics.