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Very well narrated and supplimented by the excellent animations. 👌🏼💙🤍👍🏻 Long time subscriber already🙂 Since English is not my native tongue, I usually find it a bit tacky to always understand other accents, but in your case.. the pace of speaking and the clarity of diction is perfect. For this reason itself, wish you would also include more details of what the final report was like or what the recommendations were oe the post report changes brought in. Although I am just an amateur and do not understand many of these things, overall it adds to the documentary. Also, you gave away the suspense upfront😛 by disclosing that the fault was not with the computer but with the rudder limited PCB. Often in storytelling it is the suspense that keeps one hooked even more. But i still appreciate and respect your creative choices
I prefer the real life Air crash investigations, or the Mayday series, this animated stuff is a bit childish, and doesn't adequately depict the situation, just a Representation only, in 3D not real life.
Exactly. It is so frustrating that so many of the crashes we learn about could have been prevented by such an obviously necessary action. It also blows my mind how so many pilots seem to forget they have a display that shows the plane's orientation. There are three of them, for heaven's sake.
Both pilots seemed to have completely failed at basic cognition and communication, especially the co-pilot. I can get stressful situations and distractions, however pilots have safely landed their planes or at least done their best to save as many lives as possible numerous times in horrific situations. This was clearly a case of lacking essential training and perhaps not being psychologically up to the job. Planes are perfectly safe and routine *when they work* but pilots should always be ready for the worst.
As an aerospace engineer studying at university, I really appreciate your coverage of the finest details of flight systems such as the computer and related components, how it works and its contribution to the flight. All of which can be easily understood intuitively.
It’s incredible to me that such an experienced captain who appeared to understand the problem and what was needed to save the plane never uttered the words “my airplane”
Stress can do this to the brain. It doesn't matter how skillful and experienced a pilot is. Live mechanical feedback on what the other stick is doing could really help. Relying on one of the pilots yelling "my airplane" has already cost too many lives
@@Aviationaccidents I just really like the format you are using, so im commenting in hopes you never change it. I usually lose interest in these type of videos after a while, but not yours. These are very entertaining as well as educational, cant wait for more🔥
I am watching this video while remembering one family onboard.Her name Indahyu,nick name Yangyang, Indonesian.We have been working in the same company for almost 10 years.She,her husband and their 2 children were flying to Singapore to visit their first son who studied there but never happened. May God give you and your family eternal love and happiness Yangyang.May God keep loving and taking care of your left son ❤ Thank you so much for this video,sir 🙏
I’m typed on the 320 here in the USA and it always blows me away that some pilots just refuse to scan their instruments. If it’s not on the checklist, don’t do it. Absurd the captain attempted an in flight circuit breaker reset that was not directed by the ECAM, QRH or supplemental procedures. Then the fact the FO couldn’t fly his way out of a wet paper bag. Absolutely ridiculous.
I guess he was getting desperate at that alarm going off. I bet even if he knew the consequences of turning off the FACs, he'd just tell his FO "No, I got a better idea. Prepare for manual flying the autopilot will disconnect for a momment" and do it anyways in an attempt to silence the alarm.
As is all too common for crashes like this, it seems obvious to us that the pilot should have diverted when the problem wouldn't go away. This is why airlines have no-fault diversions and go-arounds, is it not?
Their airmanship was on par with 20-hour newbies. The Captain's actions really do reflect the things fighter pilots do in mechanical trouble, along with the lack of communication
First of all, if it's not in QRH and you have no idea what it does, stop pulling circuit breakers. Second of all, they were what... FL310? That's PLENTY of altitude to trade for speed. If only they actually understood sidestick priority. Also... was it -61C as SAT? Why would they turn on anti-ice at that point? That's WAY outside the range.
Unfortunately the Airbus is nothing like other types of Boeings, MD’s, and Lockheed’s that other pilots flew in the past. Many of these pilots don’t understand the Airbus systems and logic and thus do things that might work in an older airplane but not the Airbus. I had to completely re-cage my brain to learn, understand, and speak Airbus logic when learning to fly it.
Under extreme stress and fear of death you simple stop thinking. Both of them were fighting for their lifes. No time to talk or understand the situation, just act. This is why the airplane has callouts for simple things like stall or dual imput: to make clear to the pilots the gravity of the situation. It's hard not to, but i try to not blame the pilots for their last actions. They were just scared.
@@tomekk.1889Anyone would be scared man. I'm not justifying anything that happened but even the best pilot would be once a plane this size seemingly goes out of control in low visibility conditions. That's not to say many wouldn't perform better under stress but once confidence is lost in the ability to control the machine you're going to get tunnel vision. The video makes it seem like this went on for a lot longer than it did. In reality we're talking about just minutes between trying to get control and being at the bottom of the sea.
@@JJFX- Nope. It's pretty basic to 1) look at the artificial horizon 2) have only one pilot take over the controls in a critical situation. And as someone else has pointed out, if you can't keep a cool head under such circumstances, then don't be a pilot. And be mindful that the captain used to fly fighter jets. He should have been cool under pressure. Just say to his first officer: "My plane, I'm taking over." And look at the instruments, damnit - the artificial horizon! And the airspeed!! This is so damn basic!!!
Yeah - I just finished a couple, including this one and his vids are all excellent - surprised they don't have more subscribers, but I imagine that will change soon enough.
After watching this video, it brought back familiar memories of an incident I experienced a month ago with Indonesia AirAsia. I was flying from Bali to Bandung. Just as the plane had pushed back and started its engines, it returned to the gate, and we waited on the plane for about 40 minutes. Several technicians came and went into the cockpit. The pilot only explained that there was a technical issue, and we had to go back to the starting point. After that, the flight went smoothly, and we reached our destination.
It seems like they’ve learned from the past. Quite a few technicians came, and some entered the cockpit. It looked like there was a serious issue with the plane, as this was my first experience of something like this in all my years of flying.
Actually we Malaysia always hear flight accidents to Indonesia, i don't know why,some people said because of old aircraft, rough weather and others problems
Great job! I love the style, the cinematography, the narration and the straight facts with a touch of drama without being overly dramatic and lengthy. I think another minute at the end of telling us what changes were made or lessons learned within the airline and within aviation after the accident would be some nice icing on this delicious cake. This just might be the best aviation channel on youtube.
The number of air crash incidents I've seen where dual-input has caused an accident makes me wonder why Airbus sticks aren't directly linked. I'm not an engineer, but combining inputs and averaging them out seems like a terrible way to do things because both pilots inputting opposites will be thinking their inputs aren't enough and not completely clear on who has control.
@@ruslanasnaumovas7781 If I am not mistaken pressing the priority switch doesn't immediately transfer control. I think that specialists said after the AF447 crash that it takes 40 seconds of continuous holding of the button for this to happen. I have no idea why the time is so long if you ask me.
@@ruslanasnaumovas7781thank you, I do know about the priority switch, but it still allows for dual input when not selected and in the heat of the moment that can unfortunately be easily forgotten, along with simple things like "I have control" or agreeing on a course of action together. I can't think of a good reason why the sticks shouldn't be directly linked at all times like the yoke on a Boeing. Imagine having two controls for your car and the passenger doing the exact opposite to you while you're trying to navigate an icy road. . I can
The media would let you believe only Boeing aircraft crashes. The dual joystick with independent inputs in airbus is the dumbest design ever. Terrible design
Thank you for this video. My friend was one of the victim and I never really knew what happened to the plane. Everyone around me only keep saying plane accident but no really thorough explanation. Now I can rest easy knowing what happened.
On this day, I was on another flight from KLIA heading for Doha on my way forward to Barcelona. 2014: there was no WiFi onboard and I wasn't on roaming either. I remember how frantically friends and family were trying to reach me and only get to read/hear messages once I landed in Barcelona. Prayers for the lost souls.
This is my new favorite channel. Please keep making more. The quality of these videos is so much better than any other channel in the same genre! The competition isnt even close
From a non specialist point of view: when an unexpected incident occurs, the corrective actions people feel compelled to take without fully understanding the consequences cause an annoying but manageable problem transform into a catastrophic and irrecoverable one. I’ve seen that countless times in IT operations (fortunately with less tragic consequences).
True, but why did the pilots did not prioritise to solve the stall, which was the biggest issue at that time. Regardless of the language barrier, it should come naturally to push the stick so you can recover from stall, even though the captain said pull down (a mistake). When you are falling you can feel it especially at that rate of 20000 feet per minute so the stall is obvious and the procedure to recover from stall should start immediately. So sad these things happen. 🙁
@@mihaiceclan9849Some people just should have never become pilots. As for op I'm guilty of this very thing, as a fellow IT guy. If the thing belongs to me anyway lol. Once I start taking it apart, consider it gone.
@@mihaiceclan9849 I think, you cannot feel falling. But of course you must have knowledge how to detect and then how to use an Airbus in alternate law (it is then more work, but this is not everyone thing...). Or you should not be allowed to pilot an Airbus.
Why TF did the first officer continue to pull the nose up despite the stall warning? Should be instinctual to push the nose down during a stall to gain enough speed to recover, regardless of what someone's telling you... Not seeing the horizon as a reference shouldn't have been an issue, too, since they still had instrumental flying. The captain should not have been fiddling with resetting systems he's not 100% familiar with in the first place, should have kept doing the normal reset procedure, no matter the annoyance, since it wasn't affecting the actual flight. It's totally human error.
It's quite easy to forget all of these things when you're basically falling from the sky. Imagine like it's your first time skydiving. You probably struggle to even do the most basic of things and cling to your parachute know-how for dear life; nothing else matters. I think this is what happened to him.
@@X1erra It's not easy to forget, especially when all pilots train to the point where primary controls are instinctual, especially from stall recoveries. What happened was that the first officer prioritised the captain words over his instincts, to blindly follow his command which he also misunderstood. In high pressure situations, people tend to deligate decisions to those with more authority or rank then carry out whatever order is given without thinking.
@@X1erra nah bro. That's what pilots are trained for. Not an average skydiver geek is prepared for. They dont have right to forget all of it when they're mid air.
@@X1erra I have almost no idea how to fly a plane and I know that when I get the stall warning I bloody pitch the nose down! And they were pilots they should be trained 1000 times better than me at this.
Why did they think they could reset the breaker in flight? Heck, I don't even like rebooting my remote work computer at home with zero chance of losing my life.
that's due to lack of fund of the company. the ticket is considered cheaper than our number one fleet, that's why they put the tag: everyone can fly in the body.
Next time flight schools should consider training the pilots to fly fully manual besides autopilot. Also, flight hours should be divided into manual and autopilot flight hours. Pilot with more manual hours means better trained.
Thank you for another absolutely world class air crash investigation video - fascinating, informative and incredibly well produced. The similarities to the AF447 incident are staggering. Huge fan of your channel and an even bigger fan of the narrator's voice.
I've recently discovered your channel and absolutely love your content. Your videos are beautifully made despite covering some pretty harrowing aviation disasters!
It's Air France 447 all over again. Damnit i thought we all learned from that flight. The same damn dual input warning and another first officer pulling back. RIP to all who were lost
Hi, I have a friend named Wen Fung (yogyakarta, indonesia) who has never been on a plane before. In late 2014, he was invited by his six best friends to celebrate New Year's Eve 2015, but he refused due to his irrational fear of flying. That night, his six best friends boarded the ill-fated flight 8501 from Surabaya, indonesia to Singapore. Imagine the trauma he has suffered ever since.
This happened 10 years ago. I remember when the news broke out, I was due to board a different Indonesia AirAsia flight also from Surabaya Juanda Airport but was bound to Jakarta. At that time, AirAsia was considered as one of the safest airlines in Indonesia and SEA. With that in mind, I was thinking "An Airbus A320 just don't disappear like that" and since I was already an avgeek back then with quite a few friends in the aviation community, we were internally speculating of what happened in that flight. I remember one of that friend saying "I think it's basically another Air France 447" and it turns out to be pretty accurate.
None of the pilots pushed the button to get the control of the airplane. In this case the computer calculated "his own" interpretation of the commands. This button doesn't exist for fun.
i know that flying is incredibly safe these days and that pilots are incredibly skilled, who deserve all the cred but when the unthinkable like in this case happens and you as a passenger are sitting in the plane completely powerless and about to crash it's just unimaginable and heartbreaking 😮
So that's what happened to some of the students in my university. That was a disaster. Thank you so much for the summary. You explained it clearly. It makes me able to understand it well
I have always wondered what really happened with the flight of air Asia qz8501. I heard that it is because of bad weather, but now I know the sad reality of what really happened to airasia qz8501. Sometimes it crosses my mind, could it be human error? Witnessing first-hand the wreckage conditions at the bottom of the seabed, it was like the aircraft already broke in pieces, but now I know it didn't. Recovering some of the bodies really gives a tremendous mental pressure on me. I try to hold back and be strong, but eventually, I give in. In my mind, what if one of them is my family member? I was one of the many volunteer divers that took part in recovering the body of airasia qz8501. Sad memories will always be with me.
I got to be honest, this one pisses me off more than most, the FOs panic freak out and the captains freeze up and not taking over when he knew what to do, makes me feel like the planes are doing too much of the flying and the humans can't handle when things don't work by themselves like they are supposed to but im also smart enough to realize the equipment didn't fail here and if the humans hadn't messed it up in the first place they wouldn't have needed to be able to fix it, is that a catch-22?
Me and my lil' brother lost a friend that day, for me it was the big sister and her little sister for my brother. She, her sister, and her parents wanted to have vacation in Singapore and had to lost their lives in this dreadful incident. May you and your family Rest in Peace. We miss you....
This is now together with mentour pilot my favorite aircraft channel! I think you've just started? Your channel should have way more subscribers than 50k! Keep up the good work!
I still remember this accident that devastating our nation. I was on vacation and woke up in Bali that morning, only to be greeted by this kind of tragedy. May all the victims rest in peace 🙏
The plane crashed due to one mistake of the pilots - the operation of the joystick by both pilots at the same time, due to the lack of a disabled instruction from the captain. He had to declare "I control the aircraft", and then the co-pilot would leave the joystick and the captain would stabilize the aircraft with ease.
I just recently found your channel and holy shit I love the way you make the videos. Also love the voice, I grew up with similar voices from all these documentaries I watched with my dad. Nostalgia definitely kicking in. You also keep a very good amount of detail without going overboard, so people with no depth knowledge about aviation like me can follow along very easily. Hopefully more videos will come, I will be here to watch! Thanks for this
It's what was instructed for a long time I believe. The pilots were being graded on altitude lost. Mentour pilot explains this on his RIO-PARIS video I remember
@@machintrucGamingStall recovery is the same whether you are in a Cessna 152 or an Airbus A380 … push the nose over and trade altitude for speed. They had plenty of altitude which makes this all the more tragic. All the captain had to say was "my airplane." The FO would have taken his hand off the stick, and everyone would have lived.
Older pilots were trained in an era obsessed with 0-loss stall recovery, especially in America, where this practice stayed for a long time. It was clearly stupid, but not enough people died back then to change the rule. The truth is that it might have worked with smaller prop-driven aircraft, where propwash provides airflow over the wings and control surfaces, but modern aircraft are too heavy and require too much airspeed to make that feasible.
If only there was a callout to notify the other pilot that you took over control, idk. Maybe "I have control" or so... Maybe we can additionally put a button somewhere to override the other pilot? Maybe a button on the sidestick? Maybe we can also make it red, just to be sure?
This has all of the similar markings and red flags of Air France Flight 447. If this were a Boeing aircraft, based on how they use yolks rather than sidesticks these accidents could’ve been prevented.
Likely one of those channels where the actual owners pays multiple freelancers to create videos. Great business model and works on niche videos like this where all you need is to understand air accident reports which is pretty hard, but doable as a job.
Did they speak to the engineer after? And how could there be miscommunication about pull up or pull down- I would’ve thought it was obvious that the way you pull takes you the opposite direction. Man what a tragedy!
That's why Boeing still used manual yolk Stick rather than Joystick, that manual stick prevent dual input when two Joystick move in different direction.
@@KENZIIE_lolthe mechanics should of told him resetting the breakers mid flight is a no no, when he was doing it on the ground he simply Could have said don’t do this in the air.
I honestly don’t even watch ur content I just listen 🎧 somehow came across ur content and ur voice is just calm and relaxing so I’ve just been watching ur videos as “a podcast “ if you don’t have one already you should consider 🎧
I understand that solder cracking is associated with the use of lead-free solder, which is mandatory at least here in the European Union, because the EU banned leaded solders many years ago. Lead-free solder is hard and brittle, so it cracks more easily than leaded solder. Electronic repair professionals and hobbyists hate the lead-free stuff because of its terrible properties, and they obtain leaded solder "under the counter" from various sources, often abroad. The ban of leaded solder is particularly stupid when you consider that for instance a single car battery might contain 10 kilograms of lead, whereas electronics contain only grams or tens of grams of solder, and both are equally likely to end up in the environment. Ditto for lead used in bullets, which end up wherever people are shooting firearms.
That's inherently wrong. It's nowhere mentioned at all if the cracked solder point was done with lead free solder or not. The accident happend in 2014. Lead free solder is mandatory in the EU since 2006. The plane was produced in 2008. It's entirely possible that the the PCB in question was still soldered with lead solder, because you don't know when the PCB was produced and you don't know how much stock of leaded solder the manufacturer had. Also, the health issue with lead in solder is not so much that it can "leak" into the envirement. No, the main issue is the lead gases that are produced during soldering and which you can inhale directly, which is really bad. Inhaling lead is pretty much the fastest way to get lead poisoning. Yes, lead free solder is harder to work with. But it's far from problematic. Especially with automated soldering machines it's hardly a problem at all.
Incredible! Thank you for portraying disasters in so much detail. You could do LAPA flight 3142. Its a story of bad training, fatigue and corruption that ended fatally. Give it a read. The recordings are available in youtube. Cheers from Argentina! 🇦🇷
Quite similar to Air France 447 where the first officer pulled up the yoke and the captain who tried to take command later pushed down resulting in conflicting commands to the plane
Such complacency with a recurring issue. The captain knew that resetting the circuit breaker didn't fix it 3 days earlier. So why try this in flight? But even earlier: if after the 'fix' of changing the controller the problem pops up again, it should have been a huge red flag. Turn around and land... Or at least contact technical support.
It baffles me that they just replaced what they thought was a faulty part and then sent the plan on its way WITHOUT determining the root cause of the failure.
Determining the root causes is hassle and needs deep inspection, and of course, it's not cheap, I bet many companies don't want to do that. It takes days or even months to do the inspection, you'll be surprised that they only do a "simple" check and troubleshoot with many problems within the aircraft. For example, the battery problems case on boeing if my memory is not wrong, I forgot the detail, but you can search Boeing aircraft battery problems, it takes them a long time to truly inspect the aircraft from the first problem.
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Since English is not my native tongue, I usually find it a bit tacky to always understand other accents, but in your case.. the pace of speaking and the clarity of diction is perfect.
For this reason itself, wish you would also include more details of what the final report was like or what the recommendations were oe the post report changes brought in.
Although I am just an amateur and do not understand many of these things, overall it adds to the documentary.
Also, you gave away the suspense upfront😛 by disclosing that the fault was not with the computer but with the rudder limited PCB.
Often in storytelling it is the suspense that keeps one hooked even more.
But i still appreciate and respect your creative choices
Pictures quite good, but some of the narration is in the present tense. Oh dear!
I prefer the real life Air crash investigations, or the Mayday series, this animated stuff is a bit childish, and doesn't adequately depict the situation, just a Representation only, in 3D not real life.
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" I have control.!!! Now get your hands off the fu#king stick!!!" ....correct captain response.
FACTS!!!
He should have long-pressed the red button on his stick! Easy to be correct after the event though.
Exactly. It is so frustrating that so many of the crashes we learn about could have been prevented by such an obviously necessary action. It also blows my mind how so many pilots seem to forget they have a display that shows the plane's orientation. There are three of them, for heaven's sake.
Both pilots seemed to have completely failed at basic cognition and communication, especially the co-pilot.
I can get stressful situations and distractions, however pilots have safely landed their planes or at least done their best to save as many lives as possible numerous times in horrific situations.
This was clearly a case of lacking essential training and perhaps not being psychologically up to the job.
Planes are perfectly safe and routine *when they work* but pilots should always be ready for the worst.
and maybe dont yell "PULL DOWN" like a fucking moron. If anything say "NOSE DOWN" or something. Terrible pilots.
As an aerospace engineer studying at university, I really appreciate your coverage of the finest details of flight systems such as the computer and related components, how it works and its contribution to the flight. All of which can be easily understood intuitively.
Thanks! :)
"intuitively"?!? Really?!? Well done on making the rest of us feel stupid.
Agreed
As a tamiya engeneer i do not have that intuition.
It’s incredible to me that such an experienced captain who appeared to understand the problem and what was needed to save the plane never uttered the words “my airplane”
Same as Air France Rio de Janeiro. Highly experienced Pilots forgot how to fly an airplane.
Nice to hear from one of the survivors.
"What was the main cause of the crash?"
"Another First Officer stall"
"My gosh when's the NTSB gonna finally address that?"
Stress can do this to the brain. It doesn't matter how skillful and experienced a pilot is.
Live mechanical feedback on what the other stick is doing could really help. Relying on one of the pilots yelling "my airplane" has already cost too many lives
Also pressing the override switch on the side stick might’ve helped
The voiceover is giving me nostalgia from the old discovery channel crash investigations, so good
:)
@@Aviationaccidents I just really like the format you are using, so im commenting in hopes you never change it. I usually lose interest in these type of videos after a while, but not yours. These are very entertaining as well as educational, cant wait for more🔥
It really is
Can you tell if it's text to speech or human?
Ai@@android584
I am watching this video while remembering one family onboard.Her name Indahyu,nick name Yangyang, Indonesian.We have been working in the same company for almost 10 years.She,her husband and their 2 children were flying to Singapore to visit their first son who studied there but never happened.
May God give you and your family eternal love and happiness Yangyang.May God keep loving and taking care of your left son ❤
Thank you so much for this video,sir 🙏
Condolence 😢
I agree and the same can be said for all of those souls on board who parished.
Heavy on the son
most underated aviation channel on the internet
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Just be glad we found it before it takes off (pun intended)
@@bingbong5106 I feel pretty up in the air about your comment.
It is very good
I’m typed on the 320 here in the USA and it always blows me away that some pilots just refuse to scan their instruments. If it’s not on the checklist, don’t do it. Absurd the captain attempted an in flight circuit breaker reset that was not directed by the ECAM, QRH or supplemental procedures. Then the fact the FO couldn’t fly his way out of a wet paper bag. Absolutely ridiculous.
I guess he was getting desperate at that alarm going off. I bet even if he knew the consequences of turning off the FACs, he'd just tell his FO "No, I got a better idea. Prepare for manual flying the autopilot will disconnect for a momment" and do it anyways in an attempt to silence the alarm.
As is all too common for crashes like this, it seems obvious to us that the pilot should have diverted when the problem wouldn't go away. This is why airlines have no-fault diversions and go-arounds, is it not?
Their airmanship was on par with 20-hour newbies. The Captain's actions really do reflect the things fighter pilots do in mechanical trouble, along with the lack of communication
First of all, if it's not in QRH and you have no idea what it does, stop pulling circuit breakers. Second of all, they were what... FL310? That's PLENTY of altitude to trade for speed. If only they actually understood sidestick priority. Also... was it -61C as SAT? Why would they turn on anti-ice at that point? That's WAY outside the range.
Unfortunately the Airbus is nothing like other types of Boeings, MD’s, and Lockheed’s that other pilots flew in the past. Many of these pilots don’t understand the Airbus systems and logic and thus do things that might work in an older airplane but not the Airbus. I had to completely re-cage my brain to learn, understand, and speak Airbus logic when learning to fly it.
The mere fact that the captain didn't hold the red button and took priority is mind blowing.. There was so much incompetence in this cockpit.
Under extreme stress and fear of death you simple stop thinking. Both of them were fighting for their lifes. No time to talk or understand the situation, just act. This is why the airplane has callouts for simple things like stall or dual imput: to make clear to the pilots the gravity of the situation. It's hard not to, but i try to not blame the pilots for their last actions. They were just scared.
Also how the first officer didn’t see the connection between him pulling the flight stick all the way up and the subsequent stall warning…
@@jornalnumero1If you're scared then you shouldn't be a pilot period. You're a danger to yourself and others. Flying is not for everyone
@@tomekk.1889Anyone would be scared man. I'm not justifying anything that happened but even the best pilot would be once a plane this size seemingly goes out of control in low visibility conditions. That's not to say many wouldn't perform better under stress but once confidence is lost in the ability to control the machine you're going to get tunnel vision. The video makes it seem like this went on for a lot longer than it did. In reality we're talking about just minutes between trying to get control and being at the bottom of the sea.
@@JJFX- Nope. It's pretty basic to
1) look at the artificial horizon
2) have only one pilot take over the controls in a critical situation.
And as someone else has pointed out, if you can't keep a cool head under such circumstances, then don't be a pilot. And be mindful that the captain used to fly fighter jets. He should have been cool under pressure. Just say to his first officer: "My plane, I'm taking over." And look at the instruments, damnit - the artificial horizon! And the airspeed!! This is so damn basic!!!
Incredible how fast the lessons of flight 447 were forgotten
I watched that video and this one back to back and they were eerily similar.
really stupid design by airbus
@GooseGumlizzard How dare Airbus assume the pilots won’t be imbeciles.
Literally the same thing.
@@zephyr8072 what do you work for Airbus or something?
This is really well done. Also, it's creepy how the first officer's inputs matches the inputs of Pierre Bonin on Air France 447, an Airbus A330
They both had the same weed dealer
What is imputs?
He meant inputs@@batman_2004
Inputs*
@@Shangrila51Honestly. You would think decades of flying experience would provide a little common sense
You’re a master at this. 24 mins is like 24 secs. Excellent job my friend. 👏👏👏
Thanks! ❤
Yeah - I just finished a couple, including this one and his vids are all excellent - surprised they don't have more subscribers, but I imagine that will change soon enough.
After watching this video, it brought back familiar memories of an incident I experienced a month ago with Indonesia AirAsia. I was flying from Bali to Bandung. Just as the plane had pushed back and started its engines, it returned to the gate, and we waited on the plane for about 40 minutes. Several technicians came and went into the cockpit. The pilot only explained that there was a technical issue, and we had to go back to the starting point. After that, the flight went smoothly, and we reached our destination.
It seems like they’ve learned from the past. Quite a few technicians came, and some entered the cockpit. It looked like there was a serious issue with the plane, as this was my first experience of something like this in all my years of flying.
@@jarfan8571 Good to hear that!
Actually we Malaysia always hear flight accidents to Indonesia, i don't know why,some people said because of old aircraft, rough weather and others problems
Great job! I love the style, the cinematography, the narration and the straight facts with a touch of drama without being overly dramatic and lengthy. I think another minute at the end of telling us what changes were made or lessons learned within the airline and within aviation after the accident would be some nice icing on this delicious cake. This just might be the best aviation channel on youtube.
The number of air crash incidents I've seen where dual-input has caused an accident makes me wonder why Airbus sticks aren't directly linked. I'm not an engineer, but combining inputs and averaging them out seems like a terrible way to do things because both pilots inputting opposites will be thinking their inputs aren't enough and not completely clear on who has control.
The sidesticks have priority switches that let a pilot take control, any of the pilots could push the button and have full priority of the aircraft.
@@ruslanasnaumovas7781 If I am not mistaken pressing the priority switch doesn't immediately transfer control. I think that specialists said after the AF447 crash that it takes 40 seconds of continuous holding of the button for this to happen. I have no idea why the time is so long if you ask me.
@@Thorz74 I think it's more like 20seconds, but the idea is that less than that may be an inadvertent input... which would be a bad thing....
@@ruslanasnaumovas7781thank you, I do know about the priority switch, but it still allows for dual input when not selected and in the heat of the moment that can unfortunately be easily forgotten, along with simple things like "I have control" or agreeing on a course of action together.
I can't think of a good reason why the sticks shouldn't be directly linked at all times like the yoke on a Boeing.
Imagine having two controls for your car and the passenger doing the exact opposite to you while you're trying to navigate an icy road. .
I can
The media would let you believe only Boeing aircraft crashes. The dual joystick with independent inputs in airbus is the dumbest design ever. Terrible design
Thank you for this video. My friend was one of the victim and I never really knew what happened to the plane. Everyone around me only keep saying plane accident but no really thorough explanation. Now I can rest easy knowing what happened.
On this day, I was on another flight from KLIA heading for Doha on my way forward to Barcelona. 2014: there was no WiFi onboard and I wasn't on roaming either. I remember how frantically friends and family were trying to reach me and only get to read/hear messages once I landed in Barcelona.
Prayers for the lost souls.
This is my new favorite channel. Please keep making more. The quality of these videos is so much better than any other channel in the same genre! The competition isnt even close
One of my new favorite channels on RUclips.
One of the best youtube channels for plane crash documentaries!
Thanksa mate!
From a non specialist point of view: when an unexpected incident occurs, the corrective actions people feel compelled to take without fully understanding the consequences cause an annoying but manageable problem transform into a catastrophic and irrecoverable one. I’ve seen that countless times in IT operations (fortunately with less tragic consequences).
True, but why did the pilots did not prioritise to solve the stall, which was the biggest issue at that time. Regardless of the language barrier, it should come naturally to push the stick so you can recover from stall, even though the captain said pull down (a mistake). When you are falling you can feel it especially at that rate of 20000 feet per minute so the stall is obvious and the procedure to recover from stall should start immediately. So sad these things happen. 🙁
@@mihaiceclan9849Some people just should have never become pilots.
As for op I'm guilty of this very thing, as a fellow IT guy. If the thing belongs to me anyway lol. Once I start taking it apart, consider it gone.
Sounds familiar to me... in 30 years of IT Service I've seen people doing the weirdest things under stress. Pilots sometimes seem to be no better...
@@mihaiceclan9849 I think, you cannot feel falling. But of course you must have knowledge how to detect and then how to use an Airbus in alternate law (it is then more work, but this is not everyone thing...). Or you should not be allowed to pilot an Airbus.
this is why communication skill is the most important aspect in life
The captain's english was probably not good, he said pull down instead of push down. That's confusing.
“I have control “ by the captain would easily have saved all their lives
Why TF did the first officer continue to pull the nose up despite the stall warning? Should be instinctual to push the nose down during a stall to gain enough speed to recover, regardless of what someone's telling you... Not seeing the horizon as a reference shouldn't have been an issue, too, since they still had instrumental flying. The captain should not have been fiddling with resetting systems he's not 100% familiar with in the first place, should have kept doing the normal reset procedure, no matter the annoyance, since it wasn't affecting the actual flight. It's totally human error.
It's quite easy to forget all of these things when you're basically falling from the sky. Imagine like it's your first time skydiving. You probably struggle to even do the most basic of things and cling to your parachute know-how for dear life; nothing else matters. I think this is what happened to him.
@@X1erra It's not easy to forget, especially when all pilots train to the point where primary controls are instinctual, especially from stall recoveries. What happened was that the first officer prioritised the captain words over his instincts, to blindly follow his command which he also misunderstood. In high pressure situations, people tend to deligate decisions to those with more authority or rank then carry out whatever order is given without thinking.
@@X1erra nah bro. That's what pilots are trained for. Not an average skydiver geek is prepared for. They dont have right to forget all of it when they're mid air.
Because he was Black.
@@X1erra I have almost no idea how to fly a plane and I know that when I get the stall warning I bloody pitch the nose down! And they were pilots they should be trained 1000 times better than me at this.
Why did they think they could reset the breaker in flight? Heck, I don't even like rebooting my remote work computer at home with zero chance of losing my life.
that's due to lack of fund of the company. the ticket is considered cheaper than our number one fleet, that's why they put the tag: everyone can fly in the body.
@@Br4m76lack of fund? do you know how much the company is worth?
@@GeorgiaAndrea it's in my country you know, this airline is the cheapest so they cut any operational budget.
@@GeorgiaAndrea this is in my country you know, this airline is the cheapest, they cut any of operational fund.
@@Br4m76 indonesia?
Next time flight schools should consider training the pilots to fly fully manual besides autopilot. Also, flight hours should be divided into manual and autopilot flight hours. Pilot with more manual hours means better trained.
nowadays you only get points for "best use of equipment"
Thank you for another absolutely world class air crash investigation video - fascinating, informative and incredibly well produced. The similarities to the AF447 incident are staggering. Huge fan of your channel and an even bigger fan of the narrator's voice.
As a commercial pilot myself, I would've declared a PAN, PAN and landed at the nearest and suitable airport after the second ECAM message...
A tragic case of panic in the cockpit with confusion and poor CRM. It must have been a horrifying last few moments for those poor passengers.
I've recently discovered your channel and absolutely love your content. Your videos are beautifully made despite covering some pretty harrowing aviation disasters!
Many thanks! :)
It's Air France 447 all over again. Damnit i thought we all learned from that flight. The same damn dual input warning and another first officer pulling back. RIP to all who were lost
you have a perfect voice for narration! well explained!
i think its computer generated
Hi, I have a friend named Wen Fung (yogyakarta, indonesia) who has never been on a plane before. In late 2014, he was invited by his six best friends to celebrate New Year's Eve 2015, but he refused due to his irrational fear of flying. That night, his six best friends boarded the ill-fated flight 8501 from Surabaya, indonesia to Singapore. Imagine the trauma he has suffered ever since.
Gmn kbr si wen fung skg
@@dennywidya sampai saat ini kalau pergi hanya jalan darat 🙏
This happened 10 years ago. I remember when the news broke out, I was due to board a different Indonesia AirAsia flight also from Surabaya Juanda Airport but was bound to Jakarta. At that time, AirAsia was considered as one of the safest airlines in Indonesia and SEA. With that in mind, I was thinking "An Airbus A320 just don't disappear like that" and since I was already an avgeek back then with quite a few friends in the aviation community, we were internally speculating of what happened in that flight. I remember one of that friend saying "I think it's basically another Air France 447" and it turns out to be pretty accurate.
flying is like nuclear energy. Accidents happen very rarely, but when they do, its pretty dangerous/deadly
But when an airplane crashes, an area around 1000 miles of the crash site won't be devastated by radiation.
@@danielkaufmann15and yet less people die on nuclear accidents
@@LuizDahoraavida fewer*.
I subscribed to this channel a day back. I do appreciate. Nice voice, explanation and most of all, I'm getting to know more about flights and cockpits
Welcome and thanks!
I want to be with u
Love this channel. Wish there were more uploads
Thanks! :)
It seems absolutely crazy to me that having both sticks operating at the same time is A) Allowed and B) Combines the input!!
None of the pilots pushed the button to get the control of the airplane.
In this case the computer calculated "his own" interpretation of the commands. This button doesn't exist for fun.
That's Airbus. Unless one side presses the priority button, the computer averages out. Boeing, the Yorks are linked.
@@LittleMew133 *yokes
@@LittleMew133 It makes more sense to me to have the pilot's command stick take priority no matter what, no?
i know that flying is incredibly safe these days and that pilots are incredibly skilled, who deserve all the cred but when the unthinkable like in this case happens and you as a passenger are sitting in the plane completely powerless and about to crash it's just unimaginable and heartbreaking 😮
Idk about that if you're flying a Boeing...
@@ChimmyChimChim95this was an airbus, the pilots doomed the plane.
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Well done Sir, this was a really good explanation of this tragic accident. 😢
So that's what happened to some of the students in my university. That was a disaster.
Thank you so much for the summary. You explained it clearly. It makes me able to understand it well
I have always wondered what really happened with the flight of air Asia qz8501. I heard that it is because of bad weather, but now I know the sad reality of what really happened to airasia qz8501. Sometimes it crosses my mind, could it be human error? Witnessing first-hand the wreckage conditions at the bottom of the seabed, it was like the aircraft already broke in pieces, but now I know it didn't. Recovering some of the bodies really gives a tremendous mental pressure on me. I try to hold back and be strong, but eventually, I give in. In my mind, what if one of them is my family member? I was one of the many volunteer divers that took part in recovering the body of airasia qz8501.
Sad memories will always be with me.
I got to be honest, this one pisses me off more than most, the FOs panic freak out and the captains freeze up and not taking over when he knew what to do, makes me feel like the planes are doing too much of the flying and the humans can't handle when things don't work by themselves like they are supposed to but im also smart enough to realize the equipment didn't fail here and if the humans hadn't messed it up in the first place they wouldn't have needed to be able to fix it, is that a catch-22?
I love this channel honestly, thank you for creating quality videos. Seeing your notification makes my night !!
Wow, thank you!
Me and my lil' brother lost a friend that day, for me it was the big sister and her little sister for my brother. She, her sister, and her parents wanted to have vacation in Singapore and had to lost their lives in this dreadful incident. May you and your family Rest in Peace. We miss you....
This is now together with mentour pilot my favorite aircraft channel! I think you've just started? Your channel should have way more subscribers than 50k! Keep up the good work!
Welcome aboard! And thanks for your kind words!
I still remember this accident that devastating our nation. I was on vacation and woke up in Bali that morning, only to be greeted by this kind of tragedy. May all the victims rest in peace 🙏
Wow this is some high quality documentary stuff right here. Very well put together!
Thanks!
I love aviation accident videos and this channel is great, well done.
Thanks!
I have zero knowledge on aircraft thing, but your explanation with simulation makes me easily understand. Thanks
The plane crashed due to one mistake of the pilots - the operation of the joystick by both pilots at the same time, due to the lack of a disabled instruction from the captain. He had to declare "I control the aircraft", and then the co-pilot would leave the joystick and the captain would stabilize the aircraft with ease.
My goodness
the issue was also the mechanic not making sure everything was good before putting the aircraft back into service.
I just recently found your channel and holy shit I love the way you make the videos. Also love the voice, I grew up with similar voices from all these documentaries I watched with my dad. Nostalgia definitely kicking in. You also keep a very good amount of detail without going overboard, so people with no depth knowledge about aviation like me can follow along very easily. Hopefully more videos will come, I will be here to watch! Thanks for this
this is the only incident I’ve seen that seems so intentional it’s mind blowing
Thanks guys I love the narrators voice..nice choice..we need more videos 📹 😀
Im glad I found this channel!
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I'm familiar with this accident yet your video on it is top-notch. Great work!
Thanks!
I really thought you would have 5M subscribers. Keep going! You will definitely succeed!
Wow, thanks!
Awesome narration and graphics.
Thank you kindly!
Great job on this case! More technical point of view 👍
Glad you like it!
Bro is really creating some of the best content on youtube
Thanks! I appreciate that!
Your animations are so realistic and awesome to watch. Great job 👍
Thank you so much 😀
Best plane channel on RUclips
How does this guy have only 52k subs… amazing content, keep up the quality
Thanks! Will do!
How can experienced pilots pull up during a stall warning. Boggles my mind every time...
It's what was instructed for a long time I believe. The pilots were being graded on altitude lost. Mentour pilot explains this on his RIO-PARIS video I remember
@@machintrucGamingStall recovery is the same whether you are in a Cessna 152 or an Airbus A380 … push the nose over and trade altitude for speed. They had plenty of altitude which makes this all the more tragic. All the captain had to say was "my airplane." The FO would have taken his hand off the stick, and everyone would have lived.
Older pilots were trained in an era obsessed with 0-loss stall recovery, especially in America, where this practice stayed for a long time. It was clearly stupid, but not enough people died back then to change the rule.
The truth is that it might have worked with smaller prop-driven aircraft, where propwash provides airflow over the wings and control surfaces, but modern aircraft are too heavy and require too much airspeed to make that feasible.
they literally didnt know they are stalling, they thought the whole computer is broken...
They didn't know they're stalling due to double input
Great channel! Keep it up! Subscribed!!😊😊
If only there was a callout to notify the other pilot that you took over control, idk. Maybe "I have control" or so... Maybe we can additionally put a button somewhere to override the other pilot? Maybe a button on the sidestick? Maybe we can also make it red, just to be sure?
This video was very well done
Thanks! :)
what flight sim do u use? its pretty realistic! also keep up the high quality work
Excellent choice of music. Beautiful detail. Salute Captain
You have such a good technical knowledge of flight.
Thank you for your video.
From ~ Australia 🇦🇺
Thank you too!
This has all of the similar markings and red flags of Air France Flight 447. If this were a Boeing aircraft, based on how they use yolks rather than sidesticks these accidents could’ve been prevented.
Or a better system to determine who is in control. Dual input is all you hear.
Nice, a new episode! Lekker bezig jullie en ga zo door!
Dankjewel! Gaat helemaal goed komen!
What even is this channel?!?
Didn’t exist until recently, yet the production quality of each video is very high. How??? Where did you come from?
Thanks! It's basically because I 'work' 24/7
Likely one of those channels where the actual owners pays multiple freelancers to create videos. Great business model and works on niche videos like this where all you need is to understand air accident reports which is pretty hard, but doable as a job.
I remember hearing this news when I returned from Yogyakarta. The incident lingers me to this day.
Why did the first officer keep pulling the nose up even though they were in an active stall? It makes no sense whatsoever. This is piloting 101!
I love the narration on all these videos
Thanks!
Did they speak to the engineer after? And how could there be miscommunication about pull up or pull down- I would’ve thought it was obvious that the way you pull takes you the opposite direction. Man what a tragedy!
That's why Boeing still used manual yolk Stick rather than Joystick, that manual stick prevent dual input when two Joystick move in different direction.
I don't have any experience with air stuff but even I know and computer reset during a flight might not be the best thing to do
Well made video! 🎉
Thanks!
The First Officer was quite the dummy.
Eerrrr, no. The Caption should not have reset the breakers mid flight
@@KENZIIE_lol both are
@@KENZIIE_lolthe mechanics should of told him resetting the breakers mid flight is a no no, when he was doing it on the ground he simply
Could have said don’t do this in the air.
I honestly don’t even watch ur content I just listen 🎧 somehow came across ur content and ur voice is just calm and relaxing so I’ve just been watching ur videos as “a podcast “ if you don’t have one already you should consider 🎧
I understand that solder cracking is associated with the use of lead-free solder, which is mandatory at least here in the European Union, because the EU banned leaded solders many years ago. Lead-free solder is hard and brittle, so it cracks more easily than leaded solder. Electronic repair professionals and hobbyists hate the lead-free stuff because of its terrible properties, and they obtain leaded solder "under the counter" from various sources, often abroad. The ban of leaded solder is particularly stupid when you consider that for instance a single car battery might contain 10 kilograms of lead, whereas electronics contain only grams or tens of grams of solder, and both are equally likely to end up in the environment. Ditto for lead used in bullets, which end up wherever people are shooting firearms.
That's inherently wrong. It's nowhere mentioned at all if the cracked solder point was done with lead free solder or not.
The accident happend in 2014. Lead free solder is mandatory in the EU since 2006. The plane was produced in 2008. It's entirely possible that the the PCB in question was still soldered with lead solder, because you don't know when the PCB was produced and you don't know how much stock of leaded solder the manufacturer had.
Also, the health issue with lead in solder is not so much that it can "leak" into the envirement. No, the main issue is the lead gases that are produced during soldering and which you can inhale directly, which is really bad. Inhaling lead is pretty much the fastest way to get lead poisoning.
Yes, lead free solder is harder to work with. But it's far from problematic. Especially with automated soldering machines it's hardly a problem at all.
"Ditto for lead used in bul-", its FMJ or nothing!
Cool voice easy to listen to nice visuals good job 👏
you're so underrated. i hope your channel gets more views !!
Thank you so much! Working on it!
Incredible! Thank you for portraying disasters in so much detail.
You could do LAPA flight 3142. Its a story of bad training, fatigue and corruption that ended fatally. Give it a read. The recordings are available in youtube. Cheers from Argentina! 🇦🇷
There has been a few vids I watched where the FO was pulling back and not understanding that this was the cause of the problem, and crashed.
Such a great channel, need more videos🙏🏾
AirAsia 8501 was flying to Singapore not Kuala Lumpur. It’s such an embarrassing and yet glaring error.
Quite similar to Air France 447 where the first officer pulled up the yoke and the captain who tried to take command later pushed down resulting in conflicting commands to the plane
Such complacency with a recurring issue. The captain knew that resetting the circuit breaker didn't fix it 3 days earlier. So why try this in flight? But even earlier: if after the 'fix' of changing the controller the problem pops up again, it should have been a huge red flag. Turn around and land... Or at least contact technical support.
I remember watching this news, when me and my family were in vacation at Java... having our Family Christmas Time there....
Really like the 20mim run times of your videos. 40+ min is too long imo, which seems to be the case for other channels.
Good to know!
this is quite well put together
Thanks!
It baffles me that they just replaced what they thought was a faulty part and then sent the plan on its way WITHOUT determining the root cause of the failure.
Also ground staff could be incompetent...
Determining the root causes is hassle and needs deep inspection, and of course, it's not cheap, I bet many companies don't want to do that.
It takes days or even months to do the inspection, you'll be surprised that they only do a "simple" check and troubleshoot with many problems within the aircraft.
For example, the battery problems case on boeing if my memory is not wrong, I forgot the detail, but you can search Boeing aircraft battery problems, it takes them a long time to truly inspect the aircraft from the first problem.
Amazing, great video.
Thanks!
Love the videos,keep it up❤❤❤
We will!
Good video.
Thanks!
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501