My New Favorite Arcade Stick???
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imagine picking up the whole thing by the stick 4:06
I can't wait to permanently borrow the Panthera Evo, too.
lol
Could have sworn I put a comment on this video last year but here I go:
Got the original Panthera stick a year ago, thanks so much. My first arcade stick and it's been really fun to use.
Decided to finally start customizing, switching to an octagonal gate really helped improve my quarter circle inputs, and the circle gate made me appreciate grappler characters more. Gonna try switching my buttons to the silent ones and a bat top.
Again, thanks so much for the review.
This is really interesting to hear. I just got the XB1 version of the Atrox. Except for it not being PS4 compatable and the awful drivers on pc it sounds like a perfect blend of the Panthera OG and Evo.
Has same removable plexi, no heat gun needed, quick disconnect with screw connector, and the lift open lid for accessing parts. All Sands parts too.
Bought the same stick because there was a deal on it. Really hated the issue with the drivers since I play on pc but I bought a brooke converter for ps4 and it worked just fine
I have the Panthera with the SFV artwork. Since I'd never consider changing the art, the only advantage the Evo would have would be the headphone jack. The panthera is awesome and I would highly recommend it. Best controller I've ever touched.
Thank you, sir. You talked me into it. Going to go buy one right now.
What about the Marvel vs Capcom one? Any one familiar of the differences there?
LOL dude give the man his panthera back!!! :D
I like that Marduk intro pose in the thumbnail.
The Atrox is easy to change the artwork and the buttons/joystick. No need for the heat gun and extra plexi. Just plop the thing open and unscrew under the panel. The artwork is just a piece of paper and it comes with a plexi (like the TE2). Obviously you have to take the buttons out and unscrew the ball top to remove the plexi, but it sure is easy when comparing to the Panthera. I don't know why Razer over complicated it.
Good review, this is probably the only one that talks about getting into the guts of the stick. Don't know what Razer was thinking with that connection to the Sanwa stick lol.
Thanks for specifically discussing the older models and how they differ!
As annoying as getting into the inside of this stick was (and getting the razer buttons disconnected from the wiring without breaking the tabs) I think the biggest thing I would like changed with this stick would be for it to be heavier. I may just be too used to heavier sticks like the fighting edge though.
This thing is a nightmare. The stock Sanwa levers are defective in many units, anywhere from 2 weeks to 2-3 months after buying the stick, you'll start getting flickering / ghosting inputs when going from directions like B to DB or DB to B and such. Furthermore, the stock mechanical switches don't feel as good as Sanwa switches and also like to stick / get mushy.
The REAL problem, is how big of a nightmare this thing is to mod. I put a Crown 309MJ-DX in mine and I literally had to sand/cut part of the inside of the case to make it fit as stock, as-is it only wants to take JLF levers (which is already a super tight fit inside this thing if you look) and with the 15+ screws you have to take out to get into this thing it's just nightmarish to mod it. The wiring is also a bit wonky / fragile and if you're not super careful you can damage it, not to mention the quality of the case due to it being made lighter than the original Panthera.. well it's gone downhill. This is a fairly fragile arcade stick.
PCB wise it's pretty high tier. It's not top-tier like Brook PCB's, but it has a very VERY minimal amount of input lag latently and it does what it needs to do well. The stock proprietary Razer mechanical switches are crap though and evidently a large batch of the JLF levers they use had faulty PCB/microswitch assemblies. My JLF in the PE had this problem and I've seen 10+ instances online of other people having it as well. The screws in this fragile little queen also strip fairly easily, I replaced them with aftermarket screws.. honestly the only stock thing left in my PE is the case itself and the PCB, I've replaced pretty much everything else.. mostly because I was forced to do so. Except the K-Lever I guess, I only rocked the JLF as long as I did because I didn't think I could force a 309 in, but I did eventually. I'm a Tekken player and I don't like the JLF personally.
It's cool that you can change out the art somewhat easily, and from a pure-aesthetics point this is a cool fight stick. The PCB seems pretty solid too. Everything else about this thing is a nightmare, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I would've recommended it to SOME people saying something along the lines of: 'if you're not big into the idea of modding and would use it as-is'.. but I can't even say that now due to the stock switches / lever being defective in several units. This thing is a huge downgrade from the original Panthera and I won't advise anyone to waste money on it unless they get a hell of a deal and find it cheap / used somehow.
I also guess the headphone jack is.. cool? I don't play fighting games on headphones and don't know many people who do, so in reality that was a fairly meh addition for me but if you're into that I guess it's cool.
Pros:
- Artwork is easy to change, kinda, still requires you to remove 6 screws.
- The stock PCB is fairly solid and the headphone jack and additional features are kinda nice.
- Aesthetically it's a fine enough looking stick, and the slant for your wrists to rests is a nice design feature.
Cons:
- Painful to mod and getting into this thing means 16 (7 for the plexi and 9 for the internal housing) screws have to be removed to actually work on anything, even the art requires removal of 7 screws (6 on the plexi and the pointless center plexi screw next to the stick) which is also a pain in the ass.
This isn't the main issue with the modding though, the bigger issue is Razer's design for the case literally limits you to only certain kinds of parts for no tradeoff. They even glued the 5-pin connector to the stock lever, they REALLY did not want people modding this thing and it shows. Even the stock buttons, the connectors on them were super stiff and ripped some of the tabs off when I swapped them, but the Sanwa buttons I put in mine don't have this same issue when taking them out.
Razer did not want you to mod this stick.. and anybody who has ever tried to mod theirs can tell you this. Not everyone wants to rock a JLF lever, but if you want ANYTHING else, prepare to start sanding / cutting or even possibly drilling to get it to fit. Literally ANY other lever besides a JLF will require you to damage / modify the internals of the case yourself to install.. learned this the hard way putting in a 309MJ-DX Korean lever.
- Defective parts stock. Both the mechanical switches and the JLF levers have had problems in the PE for multiple people.. including myself.
- Fragile, it may be lightweight, but that comes at a cost.
- For the price, there's objectively better sticks on the market.
- Literally a downgrade to the original push-button entry Panthera in almost every way.
- This thing just kinda screams 'cheap' in a lot of areas, despite carrying a $200 price tag.
- It's a Razer product, that's always a risk.
How much plastic did you need to remove to get the 309 to fit?
@@daveunknown01 Not a ton, honestly. 1/2 in or so at the back USB compartment wall + the screw post next to where the lever is mounted. Here's a Reddit thread of someone else doing it that has images:
www.reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/abj4yi/korean_lever_on_panthera_evo_guidewarning/
If you need any help, just let me know and shoot me a message on Discord, DelugeFGC#6793 is my user. Add me and I'll walk you through what you need to do for whatever lever you need to buy. You can fit any lever in the PE, literally -any- lever.. but depending on what you choose different / more extensive modification may have to be done. Honestly anything besides a JLF will require modification to some degree though. There's a kit for the JLF that makes it a kind of Jap/K hybrid in terms of levers called the Otto DIY V2 kit you could try if you don't want to mod the case as well. Best of luck.
Deluge FGC everyone keeps praising this stick and in this close to buying it until I read your comment... what would you recommend?
IF ONLY this stick had an easy access button to the insides. Razer would have been THAT much richer.
I ordered mine the Friday before Christmas and I got in the mail Christmas eve which I was freaking happy loved it i been using it for a week so far for me one of my favorite sticks I cant complain not even once
this guy looks like john petrucci
And meanwhile the TE2+ managed both an easy to open case and easy to swap artwork. You would think that Razer, being infamous for copying the products of other companies, would have realized that.
And let's be honest, having all of those small buttons on the front of the case is going to be a nightmare for artwork cutting.
I don’t think an audio jack is worth the downgrade you get with this vs a pantera.
Thats why i like my atrox. Easy artwork mod and easy open. But i switches my pcb tho to a brook audio.
I like the original Panthera better because it was compatible with PS3, PS4 and PC. This version of the Panthera is only compatible with PS4 and PC and that is disappointing.
Dustin Nunn It is PC compatible :) Got mine yesterday, plugged it and it works right away with Steam games (it recognizes it as a PS4 controller)
For non-steam games, Razer has a driver you can download. It’s Xinput like most sticks.
Can you recommend a screw driver set to open this thing?
I wish they come up with Noir version in the future.
Just my exact thoughts, I don't get the sticking with vewlix layout for so many brands
@@bludika its because arcades run vewlix. Many people play from arcades and arcades only. So when they compete, most sticks are easy to pick up since it matches a similar configuration
@@vDeadbolt lmao thats such a stupid ass reasoning, you do realize they had to go with the shitty vewlix layout in the arcades because of the lack of space when it was a side by side play, you think they purposely wanted to use a layout made for midget hands? and besides, you think people will say NO to a little bit more space between the lever and buttons? it's not even ergonomic and comfortable to have the hands that close to each other, which is why it makes zero sense to have them so close for a personal arcade stick since there is no space constraint unless it's one of those cheapass mini sticks that nobody should ever buy. Just because people had no choice but to use doesn't mean they prefer it, you don't know wtf you're talking about dog
Good review. It's by far my fav stick, and i have a few. Having said that, i did change out the buttons for sanwa's and i agree with the lack of anti slip on the bottom. I was checking at a local hardware store for something similar so i could add it myself. but i couldn't find anything suitable.
I found it! Eva foam. Its 2 mm thick, put double sided tape on it and there you go. You can find it at Michaels i think.
You can usually find toolbox liner at the hardware store, it's cheap like 5 bucks or less. They usually have an adhesive backing too, so it's just cut, peel, and stick onto your stick lol.
But now I'm looking for a good thin foam type material to use for cutting some DIY button silencers for my Sanwas. Also, I wonder if the hardware store will have any springs that'll fit in the JLF..
Just ordered mine. Awesome review.
Update - mine came in yesterday and when I was changing to a Korean lever (crown 309mj) I had to do some cutting with a Dremel. The mounting plate was like 1 mil too wide and the top would not close flush. One of the micro switch wires was also too wide and I have to cut about an inch and a half to allow clearance for the wires and mounting plate. Since I’m not going to be modding it again, there’s no need for me to open it again. The stick buttons are not bad at all.
@@geese7484 how was it? Modding it? thinking to get one, prefer the evo because of headphone mainly but i want to do what you did but its my first stick. I dont want to mess it up. ? What do u think? Stick with old panthera or get the evo and mod it? Oh yh do you mess up the warrenty if u do change the stick?
Rizzy Rizzy I was able to get my crown installed, but it was really annoying to put on. After months of use, the original Panthera is a better stick. Easy modding, it’s heavy sturdy. The Evo looks nice, has headphone jack, but it feels cheap. It’s so light, it literally comes off my lap when I’m playing. I find myself always readjusting all the time. Save your money. The Evo is a step down in my opinion.
Lejin hello. I know it’s been a month but do you still feel the same?? I am now stuck getting one for my BF. It’s his first arcade stick too so I don’t want to mess it up for him. Idk which to go for ;(
Adriana Hernandez hey the regular panthera. The EVO is hard to mod and is way to light weight. Always slips off my lap.
Hori Fighting Edge Review please
I'm going to buy a good arcade stick, but I can't decide between this Razer Panthera EVO or the Nacon Daija.
Anyone tried both and can say how they compare?
A review of the Nacon Daija would be awesome!!! :D
Man i really like this review, honest and sober. I just ordered one and gonna use an arcade stick for the first time in my life.. i'm excited!
I need a good stick for my Xbox One. Right now I’m rocking the F500 Universal arcade fight stick. It’s a good stick. But I dislike the fact I have to plug in a controller into it first before I can play on it. Are all sticks like that? I’m guessing no. I just want to carry less in my hands.
Super late but all sticks aren't like that lol. Most are wired with a usb to plug into the console
I have plenty of arcade sticks and tbh this Panthera Evo should not cost 200 bucks maybe 150 was the right price, the old pathera like the TE2 set a standard in modding imo. Too much gimmick just to open the stick, but in a future can be a purchase just for collection.
My biggest gripe isn't even with the new effort to mod it. My problem is that they made a stick thats easier to get the plexi off to change art but the plexi isn't clear, it's slightly Smokey, making any art you but on darker.
I know I'm late to the video but I'm seeing it on Amazon for $140 right now, would you say it's worth that price?
I finally saved up enough money to buy a razer stick but I don't know which one, I love the idea of being able to just open the lid on the original but having the ability to easily change the artwork is also enticing. I also like that the original is heavier(don't ask why :p). I also was thinking about a hitbox since I am comfortable with using both a keyboard and a stick I don't think it will be a problem. I am really confused but I'm leaning towards a razer stick but which one. Would anyone be kind enough to give me some insight?
Can I use the touchpad for Adobe Photoshop and the headphone Jack for PC audio editing? Seriously though my questions are serious in that I'd like to use the touchpad as a little mouse for the pointer on PC game menus. Just wanna game with the headphones on PC. Also, I think most PC users also would like to know about switching between HID/PS3 and Xinput. Actually will be my first stick if I get it. Thanks for the videos. I also like the Obsidian and Fighting Edge.
Finally a video reviewing the internals as well
The original panthera Sanwa buttons vs these mechanical? I don’t care about the artwork so no worries there.
hey. The evo is on sale for $157.99 canadian. I have the st5 panthera. Would you recommend the sticks, i know you have second thoughts that were negative, but you never explain? Please respond, you are someone i would listen too, fightstick expert.
for around 150 yeah It's for sure a decent stick, but I dont' know if you are having the same deals. But the original Panthera which is a much better stick has been on sale between 110-130 USD.
how does this stick compare to the qanba obsidian? which would you recommend between the obsidian and panthera evo?
I have the razer atrox for xbox360 dual moded with a brook pcb and it´s awesome, it weighs about a 4 kg, how it compares to the evo panthera? and the buttons, it feels more like the crown sdb-201 or like the sanwa´s OBFS?
Did i see it right? Is the the stick only made of plastic?
the panthera EVO, does it better than Madcatz TE2?
i want to have audio on stick arcade so i dont care of original panthera :p i already have TE2, then i just wondering if is better to added Brook Audio ps4 on my TE2 or buy
Panthera EVO, thanks
Where did u get the stand to hold the stick???
Aye, the plug made me subscribe. Keep it up man.
Great looking fightstick.
mans got that jojo stance lmao
IS
THAT
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MOTHER
FUCKING
JOJOS
REFERENCE?
*BLOODY STREAM PLAYS LOUDLY IN THE DISTANCE*
@@HurtboxTV lmao dawg your the best keep up the good work
Can you do a panthera modding Tutorial pls
The Evo has a mic Jack and less features than the normal one. That's a hard pass for me
My new favorite thumbnail 🤘🏻
Nacon Daija review?
Can You still mod it sitck or button just want to know
Yes but you need to unscrew it and be careful with it
This or the Obsidian? 🤔
i think the evo IF you are on a budget cause the obsidian is now pretty expensive
Hey, I saw you doing a short Korean back dash in the video. I’m struggling on this stick at the buffering of “b” after “db” does not register where as on other sticks it does.
Could you maybe make a video of your KBD on tekken 7?
This is a downgrade imho. Who was asking for a Hori cable door and removal of quick access? Hard pass for me.
I need an arcade style joystick (ps4pro) for my everyday gaming needs ; not just for fighting games. What’s the best stick for that? anybody?
This or the dragon?
if you have the money to shell out for a dragon I would say the dragon. There's a video I've had to push back to later this week on the moddibility of this stick. And if you want easy access to switch out parts for about 100 bucks more the dragon is what you should get.
if you don't care about that stuff and want to get something cheaper this will do you just fine.
I've been asking everywhere.... I have the razer panthera and my dog screwed the usb cable up... where cn I get a new one? plz great vid btw
Honestly contacting razer is the only option. No one makes third party replacements for it
Finally
can i use a Korean stick in that
rayfg42 if you install a 309mj
@@iceslayer12 thanks
Yes if it's the short shaft version. For original Korean levers you'll have to expand the hole to 30mm.
@@HurtboxTV thanks
@@HurtboxTV its that true!??? I just bought de panthera evo and I have that question .... other page say I can't use my 309mj. They said I have to remove some part of the arcade stick.....
you're basically the imaqtpie of the fighting games community
Imma take this as a good thing.
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ew razer disgustang
The Pantheras are good