The Uk's Mystery Inland Islands
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NB. quick note. For reasons unknown, I had it in my head The Wansdyke was Pre Roman. No clue why. modern consensus however points it to be sometime between 700 and 900AD. thanks for highliting this error folks.
So it turns out that not only can you NOT access 92% of the UK, plus most of its Rivers, a lot of the remaining 8% is also largely inaccessible. This weeks video see's us look at the Open Access areas you can walk in, but can't actually get to!
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Hey folks. Go look at two websites: 1. Hedleys Amazing work: www.hedleythorne.com/ and 2. www.righttoroam.org.uk/ to find out more on the topic.
Also a quick note.... for reasons unknown I had it in my head that The Wansdyke was Pre Roman. No idea why. Modern concensus seems to it being 700 to 800ad.
Will Do... U2.. 👌😎🦌
Ps..
What a fool.
I am.
I.know.
" Right to Roam" 🙄
Will look up thee other, for sure.
Last Thought.
Great introduction to the podcast, regarding.. OS Maps...
Been trying to find a better way, for awhile. 🐢
Looks Good 👈
Loverly pictures Hedley.
@@dave_h_8742 Thank you
Hi. I can't change to OS maps. I'm in New Zealand but was raised in Chedworth and was trying to look at my old home village. The only options in Bing Maps that I get is 'Road', 'Dark Road' or 'Aerial'. Help please? Cheers.
One of my jobs at Buckinghamshire CC in 2003 was to check that all the new open access areas were accessible via a Right of Way. I am very surprised, and angry, that Wiltshire has cocked-up so badly. Carry-on trespassing and establish new paths is my view. Great video, nice dronage and excellent doobry-doos.
Jerry, I'm glad to hear at least one authority worked to ensure OA areas could be accessed, thank you.
I knew one of the RoW officers in Wiltshire during the establishment of OA areas and I'm not in the least surprised at the number of orphan areas in that county. Further, some may be in military restricted zones, or their access routes have been extinguished by the CC.
Before seeing your comment I was checking Bucks and noticed there were very few with no right of way access routes. I was also surprised to find only a handful in the northern part of the county. I live in the Chiltern Hills and have quite a few near me.
Were land owners paid an amount to have land as open access ?
We don't have "Open Access" lands in Australia, the closest is "Crown Lands" which also end up as islands. However you can access the crown lands if no public road or path exists under "Right to access crown land" , yes surrounding property owners can make it hard, but you have the right to cross their lands to access as long as no damage to fences, gates or structures. You are not allowed to ride a motorbike, drive a vehicle over other lands only foot access is permitted, or by horse. Nothing is allowed to be removed (flora/fauna or geological samples from said land either.
The only different one is "Crown Lands For Defence Purpose" which specifically forbids public access, generally due to being an old range area with unexploded ordnance, these can date from the 1800's through WW1, WW2, Korean War and other periods and can also include islands and structures only.
Why Angry?
It's a wire fence tensioning post. The 'Rollers' each would have a strand of the wire wrapped round and it would be wound up tight - Middle C is a good spot to aim for! Frequently found on the boundaries of large Victorian estates.
But why is there just one post .?
@@TheWully09 'cos the rest went missing OR this one was redeployed to it's present position. It's 1890's at a guess so a lot can happen in that time frame.
Yep seen them with wire still around which is buried in a tree as it grew around it further along the side of a path
Grreat to see your words... Reminded me, of what, i, nearly forgot 😀👍🤺
Its by a stone so looks like there's only one as it's been repurposed to Mark the stones whereabouts
My late Parents spent 40+ years of their Sundays trying to protect "rights of way" in the south of england by walking and clearing country footpaths in order to keep them open, and they had a LOT of OS maps!! Great stuff as always Paul & Rebecca! To be honest, it's nice to see younger people still care about this stuff. (I grew up with all this).
I thank your parents for their actions in service to public good
How wonderful that you got to see a lot of the British countryside.
Massive respect to your parents Sir.
@@moorshound3243 Thanks! "East Dorset Rights of Way Group" was their club. President in the 1970s a Mr Nigel Hodgekiss. typical Sunday, group of 30 of us dropped off by coach at point A, all day walking and path clearing. Cider in the pub at 4pm at point B, Nigel playing the penny whistle in the pub. All back on the coach at 5.30pm to go home.
@@clovermark39 The south of England is a small part of Britain. Moreover, the British countryside is far bigger than the English countryside. British countryside is that of Britain: Welsh, Scottish, and English countryside combined.
Great vid - i was actually on the team that mapped the open access land all those years ago! The initial mapping of the Open access land had no relationship to how anyone would access it! It was a plan to start the process of mapping land in the UK that was not commercially viable as agricultural land. It was a government initiative via the Country Side Agency. It was the best job i ever had though - walking the UK countryside and I had permission to get to these islands to do so!
Green with envy!
This captures both imagination & open air vigilance so well. It's easier to express complimentary comments when addressed to lovely folk like you, but your skills of communicating a sense of excitement as well as fun is incredible.
Thank you so much, & greetings to your guest.
Unfortunately Ordnance Survey chose to mark land which is owned by organisations such as Forestry Commission and National Trust, where there MAY be public access, with the same cartographic symbol as open access land as defined under CROW Act 2000. So what you've found may be, for example, FC/NT land rather than land with open access under CROW. Also most of the bits you visited seemed to be woodland which are unlikely to have been mapped under CROW as open access, as this was restricted to mountain, moor, heath or down(land).
There's a wall at the bottom of Woodhouse in Keighley, it's at the end of Coney lane just past the railway tunnel,, but behind the wall is a huge steep embankment going up to the woods, as a kid when it had rained heavily we used to find all-sorts, mostly little fired pot dolls, I had three as a kid, I took them along to cliff castle museum one day and the curator was begging me to tell him where we was finding them, I also had a silver vester and a big heavy silver french jet dress ring, turns out the dolls we're buried with children in plage graves, not been back in years but it must be a mass grave, couldn't find it on any os Maps and to this day it's still a woodland
What is a 'Pot Doll'?
Paul & Rebecca alongside Hedley, it was a wonderful watch. Thanks passed to each of you with best wishes as you move forwards.
Thank you!
Oh wow! I didn’t know OS maps are available on Bing maps - awesome! Thanks for the heads-up!
me too.
@@mybelovedgoodnews The best are OS Maps Library of Scotland - Maps from different periods and 'seemless zoomable' overlay maps facility with fade in and out. So old / original locations can be seen also as they are today, and coastal erosion can be seen as a then and now, on one map, for example.
@@paulberen thanks for that info 🙏
I randomly came across this video and as a result I'm now subscribed to this amazing channel...
As a former cartographer, I'd say, despite new technology, cartographic errors can account for paths not quite touching access land, as in the case of colonel whoever's patch.
Great way to bring attention to an important issue. I’ve been identifying and mapping these in Dorset and have located more than 30 island sites ranging from the minuscule to the really quite substantial. Many are only just adrift of existing PROWs.
If you fancy collating that data Jim, that would be a massive help!
No wonder the UK's wildlife is so under threat, someone always has tramp straight through the middle of such habitats, disturbing everything in this little ecosystem with their big size 10's, especially ground nesting birds.
There's enough other places to walk, please leave nature alone.
Let's create "The PROWler Squad"
The UK’s wildlife is not threatened by walkers, no matter how often you post this,
if it were, Scotland and the English National parks would be bereft of wildlife, which they are not.
I’m calling you as someone who most likely owns a patch of land with a public footpath through it, who utterly resents that fact, and can’t stand having oiks tramping where they have every right to be.
@@burniegunther5965
Nonsense. We are just as much a part of nature as the bird, bunnies and butterflies!
another great video. That post looks like a fence tensioning post. They are very common alongside railways. The cable would be wound into the roller and a handle/tool would be used to twist it to the right tension. The railway posts tended to use a unique design.
Yes, I was thinking for barbed wire.
Never heard of "Inland Islands" before. Here in British Columbia crown land is open to public use,but when it abuts private land is another issue. Thanks again guys!😊👍
“I’m sorry, I must be lost, I thought I was following a path and it disappeared” is the phrase to say when confronted by a grumpy farmer wanting to know why you’re in his field.
What always gets me is when there’s a right of way going through a farm or down the side of someone’s house. There’s a few places in the Yorkshire Dales where you literally open someone’s gate, walk down their driveway and out the back of their garden. All the while looking on your map and waiting for a confused “hello! Can I help you?”
Been there and done that, especially when the path is not signed from both sides, making you wonder if you've missed a turn somewhere!
@@beerbuildings or tiny little circular signs containing brown arrows or acorns nailed to gate posts only visible if you know precisely where to look.
@@ncot_tech Or pointing in slightly ambiguous directions where only one of two possible paths is apparently valid.
"hello, can I help you" in a southern accent spoken by the second home incomer....
Not just the Dales, Moors as well! Though worst experience was many years ago starting the 'Wayfarers Way' from Emsworth (Hampshire) a couple of miles into a 70 mile multi-day walk we went into a field by a footpath sign and ended up exiting the same way as no other exit seemed to exist (well it may have been through the travellers camp but couldn't see a sign). Weirdest experience was on the (linked) Inkpen Way, Salisbury Plain, clear path but multiple notices to not leave path due to live ammunition and a morning spent seeing no-one other than an army 'jeep' keeping an eye on us from a distance.
i tend to treat 'private property' or 'keep out' as more of a suggestion.
Great thought provoking video. You walked down a track to the second open access area. If people have been using the track for 15 years it can be designed a ROW.
Its called claiming a prescriptive ROW. I think it's 19 years. But it only applies to that person, it's a private, not public right.
Being in England feels like being a resident of a wild life reserve or zoo at times with it's lack of wild land access and everything being privately owned. Borders within Borders. Live only within the lines.
It's very frustrating
At least you're not in the US where signs saying "No Trespassing, Private Property, Intruders Will Be Shot" aren't jokes.
Too many people it's the same reason our infastructure is overwhelmed.
Native English birth rate is in decline. So it's coming from somewhere else ...
Well I certainly learned a lot today about’Open Access’! Another brilliant video Paul and Rebecca. Look forward to seeing your next video!👍🏼
Some very useful information there , it also serves to show that I need to brush up my knowledge of OS maps! Excellent video as usual.
"Ever get the impression he's a bit excited?" 5.59. Yes Rebecca, he's a bit of a size queen when it comes to that kind of thing!
Your isolated post with reels looks like a wire tensioning device, Paul. That's why it's been solidly rooted in the ground and has survived whatever it was connected to. There might have been others at each corner or former field junction.
Coolio. No idea how this popped into my feed, but I'm glad it did. Keen to know more on the maps in my county. From a straw poll I think your content is as good as Countryfile. Keep it coming along!!
It's better. Countryfile is irritating and woke.
Excellent - and that tip about bing maps including OS layers is brilliant!!!
I believe that the post is for a fence, I remember seeing them as a boy in the late 1960s, they were in a poor state then but there was enough to see how they worked. there was a substantial post like the one you found at one end which had several rollers with hexagonal ends and crude ratchets up it. you attached wires to another substantial post at the other end of the field, the wires passed through a series of lightweight posts and spacers to the main post, where the wires were threaded through the rollers and pulled as tight as possible, a spanner was used to turn the rollers winding the wire up and thus tensioning the wires , the ratchet stopped them unwinding. Presumably the idea was that when the fence started to sag you could wind it up some more
That exactly describes how my 4 y o chain link fence tensioning wires work. A well tried method never bettered it seems.
Yes I agree, there are a lot of these remaining in the Highlands. Used for tensioning the original fencing intallations.
Love your videos! Love canals, railways, Wiltshire, land rovers, ruins; love your output. Thank you.
Living near the Thames in Richmond, I've often walked upstream past numerous islands in the river. Some have houses on them, others not. Some seem like private gardens, others resemble a jungle. I was surprised to learn that ownership of these islands is often disputed or unclear - hence their unkempt status.
Those islands would be valuable. One might think ownership would be established and clear.
@@davecooper3238 I didn't know those things. Thank you. Is a mess and a minefield at same time.
@@davecooper3238 The are quite a few chunks of land on the England/Scotland border that are now on the "wrong" side of the river. Specifically the River Sark near Westgillsyke, the River Sark near Gretna, Liddle Water near Liddel Strength and the River Tweed between Wark and Coldstream
This could have been a segment on country file @bbc was very informative and lightly entertaining. Enjoyed watching. 🤟
Sorry Brian. Country File would be filled with loads of PC nonsense,unlike this presentation.
@@stermindelves4251 Correct
What a great video. Perfect Sunday afternoon viewing, that takes you "out of the city" 😉 Very very well presented. Thank you.
Really enjoy your videos…probably one of the most informative channel on YT for UK geographic history.
More people should know about this stuff.
That was SO INTERESTING. I really enjoyed that. Glad you weren't dragging us through some very scary tunnel filled with water. LOL They make me very anxious. Well done. Loved your guest bloke too, will check out his site and see his drone footage. Cheers
What a fascinating channel to stumble across. Great work. I grew up in Atherstone, Warwickshire and we would have regular walks along parts of the Coventry Canal. It's some 40 years ago now but I seem to recall every bridge had these historic markings. There is something deeply fascinating about canal history. I now live in Switzerland where there's even a few “canals" round here... but only feeders from faster flowing rivers for long gone mills. Still fascinating to see though. I’ll be subscribing and watching more of you material.
Reminds me of a chap who inherited land behind a row of houses whose land he would have to cross to access it. There was no tight of way and there was apparently no legal answer. He could abandon it or (in theory) sell it to one of the properties adjacent but he’d have to virtually give it away. He abandoned it as far as I know.
Not much access land in Bedfordshire. But two areas come to mind. In Whipsnade parts of the zoo is access land but it is fenced so you need to pay to get into the zoo. At Sundon Hills there is a small area of access land that has no right of way to it but is managed by the National Trust so there is permissive access. Other than that I think the rest is accessible. Great video.
I didn't know this about the Ordnance Survey maps on Bing. Am having so much fun. That's my Sunday night sorted. 😂
thanks for the info on the Ordnance Survey maps available on Bing, I'll not be bored at work this week!
I new a few around Buxton, Derbys but have now seen many more, time to get the walking shoes on, cheers
Oh I have to say, what another fantastic video! So interesting to see the ancient earthworks & to think the amount of souls that have walked them same tracks and the effort to create them! Wow just really loved it guys. And at 8:15 I had to pause to take that beautiful craftsmanship in, that gate.. looks say 10-20 years old and I reckon it may keep going for the same again🤩 double braces for the option of hanging either side.. mortise & tenon construction with dome head bolts to belt and brace the living F out of it.. absolutely lovely lol 🥹 Thankyou for sharing your video Paul & Rebecca 😃👍🏻
The music at 3:05 works so well
Does anyone know what it is?
Wow that was amazing. It’s the first time I’ve come across your channel and this clip was very enchanting. I used to love exploring places out in the country which I may do more of since I’ve recently purchased a 360 degrees camera - highly recommended for things like this. Take care all and will check out more of your content.
Just catching up with some of your videos Rebecca & Paul - I have been so busy making mine recently I have fallen way behind watching my favourite RUclipsrs ! Wet, grey dismal day here and this was a wonderful video to lift my mood. So well put together and researched. I wasn't aware about the wild moorland and its possible legislation, nor of its separate definition from Open Access Land. During the course of my wanders I have come across so many anomalies with regards to rights of way, it is great to see someone make a brilliant video about it - and this you certainly did! Congrats on well over quarter of a million views for it - thoroughly deserved! That post with the pulleys looks fascinating - sorry I have no idea! Great work from Hedley too! Take care, Paul.
I was always told and Wikipedia agrees that the Wansdyke is Early Medieval (Saxon) not pre-Roman so tools will have been iron and well made.
This jibes with what I understand about the scale of earthworks and the tools necessary to construct them. It's likely that the builders of such a long ditch were using antique Roman era iron tools to alter the landscape
@@annarboriter But the Saxons were masters of their time at iron working why would they need to go back to using antique Roman era tools?
@@annarboriter No it isn't did I suggest otherwise?
Wikipedia is not a valid source
Just found this this channel by accident. So enlightening I just had to subscribe. From Newcastle upon Tyne.
Excellent production and very interesting new knowledge to me. So interesting that I just read ALL the comments. I saw lots of open cans with writhing worms inside. Seriously though, a contentious subject it seems.
I didn't realise these "islands" existed!
Didn't know you could get OS maps on Bing!
There you go folks, you learn so much from a Paul and Rebecca video!
i've just looked on my local map (gainsborough area). there are loads of open access lands, mostly forest, and all have direct public access.
This is very good news!
I've been bingeing your videos all day, especially those in the Forest of Dean and Wye Valley, just thought I'd say keep up the good work, this is the wholesome content we need right now. I also thought I'd say about a disused old station between Symonds Yat and Monmouth on the English side, it's probably about 500 yards past the biblins bridge towards Monmouth. I believe it's an old station anyway where they would load coal onto carriages. There are still remnants of the old structure there. Good luck with everything.
P.s along the Riverside on the Wye btw. Plus Dog Kennel Bridge and another bridge outside Coleford down Newland Street, may be of some significance if you're back in this area 😀
..the video was excellent..... and thank you for making my Sunday complete
Well done! Too bad that the original legislation didn't address the problem of getting to these isolated bits of open access areas. Hedley's photography is very nice indeed.
Yup. Hopefully that will change soon
I love all your videos, but that one was particularly impressive. Until the outtake 🤯😂😂😂
I’ve been a follower of Hedleys photography for a while now. Great to see him on camera. Great video
Thank you!!
How is the Rights of Way survey going?
There is still much to be corrected. Too many land areas still being preventeed from traditional use.
First: Love the music ! Second: You Both ROCK ! Third: Thank you for making this beautiful adventure and taking me along. Cheers from California !
Fantastic. Now I see you are doing periglacial geomorphology with the sarsen stones. Perhaps the Valley of the Stones is coming up?
I'm in a small city, Binghamton NY, but within easy walking distance in a county watershed I frequent. At a longer walk is the Susquehanna River besides which are parks and pathways. I don't know if it's allowed, but there are not any "No Trespassing" signs and as it's easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission people enjoy those pathways. So yes apart from official parks, reserves and gamelands controlled on the local, state and federal levels public lands can be found near built up areas pretty easily. We use our language differently than you do yours, so your terms seem strange to us. Enchanting as ever!
A fascinating video. I’ve only been hiking for 4 years, mainly in Leicestershire and I’ll be getting the map up now to look for islands here!
Well done team, another great video. Many thanks, Paul.
You guys are fortunate to have so much public land.
Genuinely absolutely fascinating.
We don’t seem to have any of these isolated islands in Essex, or not that I can see on my local map.. is there a bigger back story in Wiltshire? Was the whole county once open access and it’s just been carved up through history? Hoping for a follow up vid on this because as always I need to know more 😃
Thanks Andy. Yup lots of questions to answer further more.
Byway not bridleway.
And that fence post is a concreted in straining post, to wind the strand of wire tight.
I suspect most crow access land also has a track of sorts and this will either be permissive or one that has a dmmo claim on it or one where historic use has or will be used to establish a right.
The 2000 CROW Act was a major advance, but did not make proper provision for access points into Access Land, nor for maintenance of any which existed. We live close to one in Somerset, and are working to establish a ladder stile to get into it. At present you have to climb a broken wall and old gate put there as a barrier. We need a government which will make a point of access a legal requirement, instead of simply saying, as the Act does, that there should be one.
You mysterious fence post is almost exactly that. it is a tensioning post for wire fences, which is what the pulleys etc are for.
The metal post was basically prefab estate fencing you'd place the posts then run wires you still see the cast iron tensioners alongside railway lines
Although there is a right to roam in Scotland, a landowner can ask you to leave, and can direct you to leave by a specific route. It could be the shortest way off the land, or, it could be to back the way you came, even though that would be longer than the shorter option. Technically, you are not trespassing unless you refuse to leave. To prove in court that you refused to leave. the landowner would need a witness that heard the direction to leave, and your refusal to leave. As a Scot in England, my understanding is that you are trespassing if you walk right past a sign that says 'Trespassers will be prosecuted'. If there is no sign, the landowner is in a similar position as the Scottish landowner, except he needs a written statement from the witness. Verbal testimony of what was 'heard' will not stand in an English court, as it does in Scotland. Anyone in England with Open Access land either ought to designate a route to it, or, ought to assume that anyone visiting it will abide by countryside ettiquette to cause no damage or disturbance. For instance, Open Access land is not a place to practise your cross-country motorcycling!
It's not a right to roam. It's a right to responsible access.
Scottish lawyer here (comments are not legal advice): there's no difference in verbal testimony between England and Scotland. You do have a "right to roam" in Scotland, so can ignore a landowner asking you to leave (unless he claims it's his personal garden, that's more complicated). In England you can't assume you have permission to enter just because there's no sign, though in practice people might not mind.
Also "trespassers will be prosecuted" is a case of "eagleland osmosis", no relevance or effect in the UK
and adding to G C's comments a simple mobile phone video of the verbal exchange can avoid it being a case of one person's word against another.
Near me farmer grows just grass in a field but has taken stile out from footpath and put barbed wire fence up with private property signs so now i have to walk 4 miles along a busy dual carriageway sucking traffic fumes up and wheezing with my asthma where I used to walk along the side of fields through clean air
thanks for this, I can now view my OS maps with more interest when looking for Routes to ride
Amazing landscape around there. it always fills me with awe, especially Silbury Hill just down the road.
Seriously digging your editing in this one--well done!!!!
Mmmmm yes. I was thinking "that's clever" as I watched.
The bing maps look really good - Streetmap is also based on OS maps, but their interface is clunky and hasn't changed in 10 years. By the way, you should come to Scotland - we've got ri....
Oi. 😂
Parsonage Down NNR is a great example of this. One path running close just off of the a303 in Winterborne Stock. One saving grace of low access is these areas are often unspoilt and have incredible wildlife as a result. Parsonage is amazing in the spring for orchids!
The English countryside is so lovely. Great video once again!
Great video As ever guys Really interesting!I had no idea Open access islands are even a thing!!
I just Googled Dooblydoo. I thought you two had made it up. Seems like that's not the case! Oh well...at least my evening hasn't been worthless! You learn something new every day I guess!
What a great video, very well put together. The countryside in Wiltshire is so beautiful, so many places to explore.
Fantastic video!! :P Great hosts, great sense of humour, informative, great quality.... You've got yourselves a new subscriber! ;D
Thanks Nic
Currently at 6:24 and RUclipss automatic subtitles have gone absolutely wild! "one's dying some people say the ones like but i think it's just one's one zombie one's like"
Absolutely cracking me up that RUclips's unable to comprehend Wansdyke as a word and is choosing so many other combos of words ^_^
Great vid, thank you!
Yep, the very poor sub-titling makes this channel a good bit less interesting that the subject matter might otherwise dictate. No aspersions on the young presenters' intellects or level of research but the incessant "Selfie-style" presentation and breathless slurring diction (no doubt the main cause of the poor auto captions) don't appeal to me as much as they appear to for some. In such instances (and those where some Arty-types insist on obscuring their dialogue with Musak) I usually just kill the prattle and watch the video with captions. Difficult to do here.
Very interesting - I knew about open access land but I didn’t realise you needed to parachute into some of them to remain legal!
Ah, but how do you get out again?
@@JimNicholls - jet pack?
@@MrGreatplum That might be the only answer, Matt.
@@JimNicholls Carry a powerful drone? Call in a helicopter?
@@philiptownsend4026 Wear spring-heel shoes? Dig a tunnel? I think Paul and Rebecca gave up too easily.
Hey Guys! I live in Wiltshire and not far from Marlborough, so I should know more about this stuff of which I'm ashamed to say I know little. But thanks to this video, which I wish I'd cought sooner, I'm suddenly feeling incentivized to get out and have a look for myself.
Thank you so much.
Thanks George. Let us know how you get on
@@pwhitewick Wow! Cool. Thanks for responding😃😊. Yes Ok, I'll do that. I'll start by looking for those sites closest to where I live first and then I'm more likely to have access to local knowledge.
Thanks for responding. Love your work.
Great video Rebecca and Paul.Do you know the gaol visiting hours? Asking for a friend. Greetings from Australia.
Hi Paul and Rebecca, Wansdyke starts near Maes Knoll fort near Whitchurch in Bath and North East Somerset.
Brilliant vid, hope you had time to go to the polly tea room in Marlborough after for sustenance. Never seen such a wonderful tea in my life! Have subscribed and look forward to more fascinating walks😀
3:10 Lovely scene.
I haven't watched it yet, but thought I'd say that reading the right to roam site and some comments makes me grateful for the local lord who allows free access to a large area of woodland at the top of the hill behind Arundel. It's the only place I ever got to see a fallen tree as a child. Some well-kept parkland in the grounds of Arundel Castle was also accessible on a seasonal basis, though I think that changed at times.
It's a "winding post" to tension the wires of a fence. It has ratchet rollers which are wound with a spanner to make the wires taut. Winding posts are still used regularly today - just look at the end of any modern stock fence. Mortons were a big producer of the Victorian cast iron ones, and you should always check for the maker's name on the castings.
The post is a fence post for tensioning. You wind the wires tight.
I was thinking the same. If those "rollers" are ceramic or porcelain, it could be the end post for where there uses to be a run of electric fencing. I think electric fences for livestock have been used since around the ww2 era
Surprised they didn't recognise it, as this kind of tensioning post was used extensively on Victorian railways.....so that dates the post.
A thoroughly fascinating and fun video, I am completely confused but as my Susan tells me this is my normal condition. Looking forward to the next part.
I wonder if the tracks you used to access the "island" were originally traditional public routes but didn't get recorded on the definitive rights of way maps? I know there's a push on (and has been for some years) by groups such as the Ramblers to correct these omissions, but there's a cut off time limit for registrations.
I think the cut off has been dropped in the last few months. Though I'm not sure
@@nacnud2323 yeah it has, much to my father's annoyance as he could no longer be angry about it!
Thank you’re lucky stars. For motorised rights like byway claims (both new recordings and upgrades from the old rupps) we got royally porked over when someone switched the 25 year deadline to one year just before it was signed off by the government.
Amazing that a labour government could pass such a bill as NERC and give so much power to private land owners and remove so much from the ordinary man. But hey ho. That’s what you get when you have your party run by a war criminal.
@@whereinsussex There we go. I was just thinking this subject is fertile ground for the "I know my rights" brigade. No offence intended. Did you see what I did there?
@@philiptownsend4026 I've yet to see any of the "I know my rights" brigade, that actually does.
I wonder if some of these once had permissive paths which have since been revoked (which highlights the importance of public rights of way) or have some sort of unofficial local agreement that the landowners don't mind walkers using their tracks.
Near me we have the opposite issue where there's lots of private woodland with rights of way through or around them. The problem is that the landowners and the local Council often aren't very good at signposting this properly. This means that you can take a wrong turn and only realise that you were accidentally trespassing when you find a locked gate at the end of a path out of the woods. There are also parts where fencing is missing or badly damaged in certain places, so it's not obvious which part of the woods is private and which is public. I honestly think that as a landowner it's your responsibility to make it clear where people can access and where they can't - you can't really get annoyed when there's no proper signage.
The good things about these areas being inaccessible is that it makes them unattractive to developers.
Many of these areas might now be housing estates otherwise. Wildlife can flourish, helping biodiversity over a wider area as pollen, seeds and small critters move out of the area
On the other hand it makes it unlikely that anybody will check if neighbors with adjacent land start to misuse the public land.
I don't know the law and this obviously isn't legal advice, but I know two different people who ended up owning small amounts of previously public land (less than a few square meters each) after fences were removed or rebuilt in the wrong place and the error wasn't noticed until 10+ years later.
In both cases the local council eventually noticed and insisted they remove their fence and rebuild it in the proper place, but in both cases things ended up resolving in their favor with them getting to keep the small amount of additional land.
Fascinating as always. Bits of the country one can’t get to “legally”, what a surprise.
Similar thing happened in Sydney when 2 families tried to restrict access to a beach next to their houses that could be accessed only by boat
That metal fence post is a fence post, but an end of wire run one where there are tensioning rollers. rather than the thinner ones with just holes to pass the wire through. There are loads of then in the lake district.
You guys have so much enthusiasm x ❤
Did you get there on a 'permissive path'? Although some of these are marked on Ordnance Survey Explorer 1:25000 maps most are not. Some are sign-posted, others are indicated with a map on a laminated sheet of A4 paper nailed to a style at each end or similar. Very sadly there is no one database for these that I am aware of (please let me know if I have missed one) - which makes planning to use them tricky, despite them often being useful links. Even the normally good OpenStreetMap is very poor at denoting paths in a way that confirms that a) I am aloud to walk on this one or b) I can't use this path - it is only for the land owners...
I love how much fun you have doing this
Very interesting and informative video, shame there's a good amount of land that can't be accessed by the public. Also I guess there's some things about Bing maps which I really ought to have more appreciation for as I hardly ever use it. Loved the outtake clip at the end. :)
I am so glad the mysterious algorithm sent me here. You guys are brilliant, great personality and you present so naturally!
That being said, you should come to Scotland, we have... you get it by now 😉
Ah we are glad too!! Haha.... yup scroll back to late 2020, we dis a few videos from your gorgeous country.
Fascinating. I'm now looking at the areas near me in South Hampshire. I feel some exploring coming up.
Interesting! I live in a Borough that is supposed to have the most rights of way of any English Borough (Rossendale) so access to anywhere is easy peasy. Although it does tickle me that when I visit the Peak District and Kinder where you could say this all began. use of the right to roam is very very low, and 90% of the people I see are the same small selection of rights of way in crowds :-) You hit the nail on the head Paul, these islands need permissive paths at the very least, otherwise why have them at all?
Awesome collab! Really enjoyed that 😃
Ok this is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. The site you visited with the earthwork loooks and feels very similar to a location near me. It is on the Icknield Way close to Luton and Hitchin. The earthwork there is less prominent and likely lost due to agriculture apart from one section. As far as I know it exists on what is now and historically county/parish/manorial/tribal possibly boundary, on a prolific trade route.
… if interested it is marked adjacent Hoo Bit, close to Telegraph Hill between Luton and Hitchin. Best OS scale 1:25 000 Explorer
Would that be grims ditch?
Possibly not. I think that is at Wheathampsted or elsewhere in Hertfordshire. This on seems to utilise the natural ridge topography as part of the boundary
Quick question (possibly not a quick answer), what's the legal status of 'permissive' paths? My understanding (possibly very wrong) is that if there's a track, and there's no signs or obstructions (ie gates) to indicate it's not a public path you can walk along it, and then if there's evidence it's been used as a path for a certain period of time (10 years?) with no objections from the landowner, it can then adopted as a public footpath? That's why occasionally you'll see signs on footpaths saying something along the lines of 'this isn't a public footpath but you can use it. It'll be closed on one specific day of the year' to make sure it's never adopted over the landowners objections. Would the forest track you walked along to the 2nd 'island' be considered a permissive path?
I think you're right. Access signage is down to the land owner on permissive paths.