Hey All. Please do go check out David Staveley's original video for this which gives greater detail than my waffle! ruclips.net/video/lqtToiDTFe8/видео.html
I think sometimes we forget that the Romans built their road network on Britain over a period of 300+ years. The first roads were primarily for military use and would link the forts and the main centres of control in each region. As the population changed and became more aligned with the Roman cuture, less focus was put on military routes and new commercial ventures were undertaken, with this there would be a need for new towns and commercial hubs. This would call for the addition of new link roads and in some cases these new routes would take precedent over earlier ones as they were more direct for trade and commerce. In some cases, such as lead or iron mines, a road might be built from the mine to transport the ores but after 15-20 years they had exhausted that source and the mine went out of use which in turn meant the miners left, the small town was no longer needed and the road was also abandoned. Roman road builders didn't start with a plan, they just joined the dots between places of importance at the time. As new places became important, more dots were joined. I think they can be excused if after 300 odd years of joining dots there are a few lines that don't seem to make sense! Thank you for taking us exploring again, another fascinating video.
True enough, but some of those commercial type roads probably predated the Romans, and they came along and upgraded them into Romanised B roads, not as direct as the military roads, but more useful. Examples of N/S parallel routes exist to the East of the Fens.
But why go to the bother - and expense - of building a parallel road? It makes no sense, unless there was a problem with the first road. Why not simply connect to the previous road, assuming the landscape allows? It seems a very peculiar and costly thing to do.
Fascinating. There is a similar parallel road system just south of Akeman Street in Oxfordshire (Oxoniensia 2021). These routes may have been first surveyed then later revised. Calleva is interesting, because it provides an alternative place to London giving road access to everywhere west of Londinium, therefore an important hub for the westward expansion. I have a hunch that a road went north-east from Calleva to St Albans (Verulamium), but I live elsewhere and can't check it out. Best of luck in your search for Vindomi. My big interest is the section of Foss Way between Jackaments Bottom and Nettleton; scarcely an agger, even less a highway, just an alignment and an alternative route further west. Something happened there
I totally get the 2 bits in the woods. 1) the joy of being able to see the agger on alignment. 2) confusing a later track with a Roman road. The highs and the lows! Great video, Paul.
My father in law owned 3 and 4 Popham Lane cottages, and he said in the field.opposite. You can see buried roman structures, maybe worthwhile investigating. Great work. Keep going, please.
I’m fascinated with how the steady cam’s shadow does not waver…great technology. The music is enjoyable and the ‘content’ (I hate the term) is superb. Of the hundreds of YT productions I follow, your weekly production is one of the best. Thank you for all the effort you put into them. Bravo!
@@pwhitewick Paul, may I thank you for getting back to what you do best. Namely delving in to our history and digging up obscure nuggets that no one has ever considered before. Last week I commented on the lack of access to certain areas that were deemed to be public open spaces. This ruffled the feathers of some of your viewers and others agreed with me. Perhaps today's episode of your diligent investigation is simply an ancient version of a modern problem. As the old saying goes 'There is nothing new under the Sun'.
I always look forward to a Sunday evening, when I can settle down and go to RUclips. Your channel is always the first one I visit and today's production was as fascinating as ever. Thank you for all the work you put into making these videos for us.
Thank you for today’s trekking on the probable Roman Road. A breathtaking probability of it. Hello to Rebecca and see you on the next, Paul. Enjoy your week ahead. ❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍🙂🙂🇺🇸🇺🇸
After all the years that I Have lived in Basingstoke and done a lot of research of the area I did not know about the other Roman road until now Thanks Paul for that knowledge
It looked so perfect. My elation and then gutted. That's archaeology for you. But the new road is intriguing. A pity Time Team is no longer around. They could have found that lost town in three days.
There is though a most complete Roman Road remains, and known as such in the Roman Road world; in Lancashire There is a Roman fort, Ribchester, on the River Ribble, partly eroded into the River, and has four or five or more Roman Road lines radiating from it. One goes northwards, a main north-south route; and climbs onto Longridge Fell, ridge hill.. At Jeffreys's Hill, on the ridge top of the fell / hill; the straight line of a Roman Road can be seen clearly, and aligned to the Eastern edge of distant Pen y Gent, hill. It's this part of the road northward from Jeffrey's Hill / Longridge Fell; that has the Roman Road aga and drainage ditches visible.. Next to Longridge Fell the ditches are close to the road, while on nearby level ground the ditches are further away from the road. At not so far away Whalley, there is a road to the north with the road name: OLD ROMAN ROAD. A single track tarmac lane, that rises onto a long narrow ridge hill, and it's not a straight line, like the military roads, but a closer look shows that the uphill part of this road, while following the terrain, but visible that the road is made up with straight stretches of road, a set of straight lines. Ridge Routes are most probably some of the most ancient routes ever; so the Roman Road here simply followed a natural line along the top of a ridge hill, easier to travel and more likely to be level, while a lowland route could be boggy, marshy, and uneven terrain, rivers and streams etc. The straight line Roman military roads were routinely lined up to distant hills' or prehistoric fort, edges; that the Longridge route turns into a moor edge valley, with no visible cutting to make the road a straight line; then, but the turn itself is a very precise, exact, if not perfect arc, part of a circle, that is assumed to have been created by the Romans.. And while they also used earlier routes, and had Roman 'side-roads' that weren't necessarily straight, while the straight line routes were built for marching troops along, fort to fort.. Excellent videos, on to a next one to learn some more.
One of your most interesting videos - ever! The Romans were here for centuries so it is perfectly possible that one route superceded the other. Keep searching for that lost city Indiana Whitewick.
There's also a conundrum on the road from Silchester to Pontes (Staines). There was a Roman township midway between the two towns at Wickham Bushes in Swinley Forest. However it not ON the road if we believe the current straight alignment. There is a suggestion that, due the lie of the land, the road actually had a kink to the north to reach the township
Maybe the two parallel roads were north bound and southbound carriageways🙂 those first set of walls were truly spectacular. Never knew they existed . Excellent video, most interesting.
@@pwhitewick Indeed Winchester was pretty important, as was Silchester , so how did "traffic" pass ? Presumably the lost town was a horse changeover point/march break and a lot of coming and going , and management into and aroud silchester west gate might have been needed
Thanks for checking this stuff out but I feel that some of this is the equivalent of asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Human nature and economics are a constant. No one spends resources on a road without a purpose. Even if a new town is off the official route. It's cheaper to build two branches than several miles of new road.
I love these Roman road videos. It would be interesting if you could find the remains of a Mansio along these roads. This might indicate if the road was a main road in Roman times.
According to the University of Reading, Silchester was a Bronze age settlement, which the Romans took over. If you asked the students, when they are digging up Silchester, they will tell you that the angle of the houses, compared to the roads, means that the people who lived there were the Bronze age families, who allowed themselves to be taken over by the Romans. Is it possible that the other road, went through similar settlements?
Just where you speculated the location of the lost town, I noticed the OS map shows ‘earthworks’. It would have been useful for you to quickly mention the known history of those earthworks just to close down any speculation viewers might have had - like me.
@@ditch3827 OK, you've just floated another entertaining hobby for larrikins! Scattering scrap Roman pottery shards in motorway borrow pits! Keep the eggheads scratching their heads for years. 🙄😁
Very interesting video and very well presented as always. Lidar is such a valuable tool. Perhaps it was a relief road to allow more legions to depart south at the same time? Have a great week!!
I reckon it was a parallel route because there was so much traffic and the Romans had to implement a one way system! Another nice video Paul, regards to you and the boss.
Its a fascinating subject and as a member of the RRRA like seeing these videos. It would be great if your walks could be managed in a written format with things like car parking and footpath lines with any issues. It would make a fantastic days walk, especially if connected to modern Lidar and research and Ivan Margary's hard work. Thank You
Very enjoyable, as ever, Paul. I wonder if one replaced the other - maybe the older road went through land that became too marshy for instance? It would be interesting to know what the geology of the land is there…
Fascinating as always, Paul, especially as I have a copy of the relevant OS map to follow! Interesting detail in Davis Staveley's video too - which led to another heading back up the parallel route, which was certainly handy for Park Prewett.... Maybe the western route was built by Roman NIMBY's, eh?? 😁😂😂 Serious question now - as the route is seriously lost around Oakley, is there any way it might have replaced your missing town? Like, could something have happened that destroyed Vindomi a while before the Romans packed their bags, causing the eastern route to be built as there was now no need of the route via Vindomi, which was no longer there; and then a while after they'd gone, Oakley was built in its place?? The landscape would therefore have been destroyed twice, which could explain why there is so little trace in that vicinity?
I think there's a simple answer: Vindomis was a pre-Roman settlement on top of the 168m/550ft high hill south of North Waltham (an odd name - did the hill settlement survive to become a DMV as well?), and the parallel route was to bypass the gradients.
In my limited experience of tracing Roman roads in my area of North Staffordshire I have found several times variations to the original track eg where the road goes through a streamed valley liable to flood The alternative route moves to higher ground and then joins the original beyond the valley where flooding less usual
Just a question but wondered whether you had visited Caerleon near Newport in Wales. It has a roman barracks, amphitheatre, baths and museum within a small area within the town? Great video.
Thanks very much Paul for replying, but if you could explain in simple terms I'd like to help pay towards your work. Is it a patreon? Or something like that.
@chriscarter6706 thank you Chris. We have either the join button (found here on youtube). Or we are on Patreon under "Paul and Rebecca Whitewick". Should be straight forward ish on either of those.
There are parallel roads in the Golden Valley in Herefordshire. It was used for the military to patrol the area during expansion into Wales. Various crossing points allowed the cavalry to move between each road without a set pattern, making it harder for the enemy to ambush and cross.
@@pwhitewick possibly with the River Test towards the West, which creates a natural boundary. Some form of extension might have been used before pushing further West during the conquest.
3:37 As soon as I saw the over planned town of Basingstoke, I knew that all bets were off, strange anomalies will abound, no explanations will be forthcoming, in fact the only thing of which any visitor or hapless denizen can be certain sure is that's too many bloody roundabouts hereabouts.
You do such a great deal of research and study, combined with an engineer's practicality. Do you think you could actually find the lost town? That would be historically spectacular.
This particular area is of some interest to me as I recall that near where the Roman road crosses the Kingsclere road there was a spot called Catern's Grave that was supposedly haunted by the malevolent ghost of a monk (or druid?). I've seen an excerpt from "Antiquity" that reported Roman era works in this vicinity, perhaps the source of the "grave" (in this case meaning a cut or ditch rather than a tomb). This area is also only a few kilometers from the famous Watership Down.
I learnt to day - there's a bit of weird mystery Roman Road near Blackstone Edge in the Peak District. Read about it - it's either a remarkably well-constructed 17th century drovers path or unusual bit of Roman road. There's loads of odd contradictory things that aren't consistent with either theory. And yes it is exposed with beautiful (unusual) paving, but that's where it really shows it general oddity. Well worth a check out.
The Roman Roads Research Association recently put up a video on YT about that - lots of new lidar info on Devon and Cornwall. I've long known of two roads, one going to Crediton and onwards to Okehampton that is visible on Google Earth, and another that may be Roman or earlier heading south to a hillfort just east of Newton Abbot. Hope this helps.
Do you think it possible that to build the Silchester - Winchester road they started from both ends hoping to meet in the middle but failed? The team from Winchester wanting the glory of completing the road just ploughed on all the way to Tadley at speed by neglecting to build the side ditches. The team from Silchester eventually got to the point where they could see the other road and cut across making the wiggle we see today and leaving the northern part of the other road redundant. Just a thought.
In and around the Oakley area and south to a possible town of VINDOMI, are a huge amount of chalk pits [see the 6 inch & 25-inch map of area]. Might it be possible that these chalk workings were used by the Romans during their building of houses and villas
I have never seen somebody more skillfull at reporting that he did not find what he was looking for and has no idea of why the parallel road was made. Haha.
Ohhh i thought you were going to find the lost roman city indiana jones style!. Most deflated now. Still ,very interesting. What do you think the false road was in the wood, just a cart track?
@@pwhitewick Sorry for a late reply! I was looking at Roman roads on Lidar and accidently found the route. I personally think that this was the original route as it seems contemporary with the Salisbury - Dorchester Roman Road
I know that various land owners through time have moved roads for their own purposes . Is it possible that is what happened here ? or is the land area too large ? .
Could it be a bit like some of the parallel motorways that we have in the UK whereby they give alternative routes betwixt 2 points so that if there is a lot of traffic they can be divided
Hey All. Please do go check out David Staveley's original video for this which gives greater detail than my waffle! ruclips.net/video/lqtToiDTFe8/видео.html
Thanks Paul!
@@davidstaveley all done. Pinned comment too.
I think sometimes we forget that the Romans built their road network on Britain over a period of 300+ years. The first roads were primarily for military use and would link the forts and the main centres of control in each region. As the population changed and became more aligned with the Roman cuture, less focus was put on military routes and new commercial ventures were undertaken, with this there would be a need for new towns and commercial hubs. This would call for the addition of new link roads and in some cases these new routes would take precedent over earlier ones as they were more direct for trade and commerce. In some cases, such as lead or iron mines, a road might be built from the mine to transport the ores but after 15-20 years they had exhausted that source and the mine went out of use which in turn meant the miners left, the small town was no longer needed and the road was also abandoned. Roman road builders didn't start with a plan, they just joined the dots between places of importance at the time. As new places became important, more dots were joined. I think they can be excused if after 300 odd years of joining dots there are a few lines that don't seem to make sense! Thank you for taking us exploring again, another fascinating video.
True enough, but some of those commercial type roads probably predated the Romans, and they came along and upgraded them into Romanised B roads, not as direct as the military roads, but more useful. Examples of N/S parallel routes exist to the East of the Fens.
Yup. The time scales are often (in my head) merged into one generation.
But why go to the bother - and expense - of building a parallel road? It makes no sense, unless there was a problem with the first road. Why not simply connect to the previous road, assuming the landscape allows? It seems a very peculiar and costly thing to do.
Fascinating. There is a similar parallel road system just south of Akeman Street in Oxfordshire (Oxoniensia 2021). These routes may have been first surveyed then later revised. Calleva is interesting, because it provides an alternative place to London giving road access to everywhere west of Londinium, therefore an important hub for the westward expansion. I have a hunch that a road went north-east from Calleva to St Albans (Verulamium), but I live elsewhere and can't check it out. Best of luck in your search for Vindomi. My big interest is the section of Foss Way between Jackaments Bottom and Nettleton; scarcely an agger, even less a highway, just an alignment and an alternative route further west. Something happened there
Very well done again. Some people hunt trains, Paul hunts roman roads. 🤣
I enjoyed going on the hunt with you very much. 👌
I totally get the 2 bits in the woods. 1) the joy of being able to see the agger on alignment. 2) confusing a later track with a Roman road. The highs and the lows! Great video, Paul.
My father in law owned 3 and 4 Popham Lane cottages, and he said in the field.opposite. You can see buried roman structures, maybe worthwhile investigating. Great work. Keep going, please.
Paul and Rebecca lots of lost Roman History to be found keep up these great videos.
I’m fascinated with how the steady cam’s shadow does not waver…great technology. The music is enjoyable and the ‘content’ (I hate the term) is superb. Of the hundreds of YT productions I follow, your weekly production is one of the best. Thank you for all the effort you put into them. Bravo!
Thank you. Very kind. Yes the GoPro (used for that segment) is really rather curious as to its stability!
@@pwhitewick Paul, may I thank you for getting back to what you do best. Namely delving in to our history and digging up obscure nuggets that no one has ever considered before. Last week I commented on the lack of access to certain areas that were deemed to be public open spaces. This ruffled the feathers of some of your viewers and others agreed with me. Perhaps today's episode of your diligent investigation is simply an ancient version of a modern problem. As the old saying goes 'There is nothing new under the Sun'.
The steadiness of the camera shadow is because it's filmed by the camera isn't it?
I always look forward to a Sunday evening, when I can settle down and go to RUclips. Your channel is always the first one I visit and today's production was as fascinating as ever. Thank you for all the work you put into making these videos for us.
Fascinating. Thoroughly researched and interesting.
I'm skint so here's a comment for the algo : Love this channel, makes my Sunday like 80's telly used to. Thanks.
Thank you for today’s trekking on the probable Roman Road. A breathtaking probability of it. Hello to Rebecca and see you on the next, Paul. Enjoy your week ahead. ❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍🙂🙂🇺🇸🇺🇸
Seeing Basingstoke on the map makes me wonder if the Romans ever got off at Basingstoke 😂Seriously a great video Paul
No, they didn't, see last weeks video to find out why 🤣
Even the Romans didn't want to get off there 😁
Many timed. Many, many times.
After all the years that I Have lived in Basingstoke and done a lot of research of the area I did not know about the other Roman road until now Thanks Paul for that knowledge
Caught me off guard too!!
I use to love walking around Calleva years ago when I lived in Basingstoke.
It looked so perfect. My elation and then gutted. That's archaeology for you. But the new road is intriguing. A pity Time Team is no longer around. They could have found that lost town in three days.
They are! They've recently restored as a RUclips channel...
Absolutely fascinating! I got so excited when you found what looked like the Roman Road in the woods, gutted that wasn't it!
There is though a most complete Roman Road remains, and known as such in the Roman Road world; in Lancashire
There is a Roman fort, Ribchester, on the River Ribble, partly eroded into the River, and has four or five or more Roman Road lines radiating from it.
One goes northwards, a main north-south route; and climbs onto Longridge Fell, ridge hill.. At Jeffreys's Hill, on the ridge top of the fell / hill; the straight line of a Roman Road can be seen clearly, and aligned to the Eastern edge of distant Pen y Gent, hill.
It's this part of the road northward from Jeffrey's Hill / Longridge Fell; that has the Roman Road aga and drainage ditches visible.. Next to Longridge Fell the ditches are close to the road, while on nearby level ground the ditches are further away from the road.
At not so far away Whalley, there is a road to the north with the road name: OLD ROMAN ROAD. A single track tarmac lane, that rises onto a long narrow ridge hill, and it's not a straight line, like the military roads, but a closer look shows that the uphill part of this road, while following the terrain, but visible that the road is made up with straight stretches of road, a set of straight lines.
Ridge Routes are most probably some of the most ancient routes ever; so the Roman Road here simply followed a natural line along the top of a ridge hill, easier to travel and more likely to be level, while a lowland route could be boggy, marshy, and uneven terrain, rivers and streams etc.
The straight line Roman military roads were routinely lined up to distant hills' or prehistoric fort, edges; that the Longridge route turns into a moor edge valley, with no visible cutting to make the road a straight line; then, but the turn itself is a very precise, exact, if not perfect arc, part of a circle, that is assumed to have been created by the Romans.. And while they also used earlier routes, and had Roman 'side-roads' that weren't necessarily straight, while the straight line routes were built for marching troops along, fort to fort..
Excellent videos, on to a next one to learn some more.
Cracking video, great entertainment as well as informative. Many thanks for all the time and effort you put into making this content.
Just love your work on Roman roads, and by implication Roman towns.
Loved it Paul!! Thank you again…. More of this please 👍👍⚔️⚔️👏👏🌎🌎
Fasconating. Thank you SO much for this ...makes one query some of the alledged 'facts' that we are told. Lovely scenery too.
One of your most interesting videos - ever! The Romans were here for centuries so it is perfectly possible that one route superceded the other.
Keep searching for that lost city Indiana Whitewick.
Many thanks!
Enthusiastic explore. What amazing history you are able to search and find. Thoroughly enjoyed this . Thank you.
Absolutely love walking around Silchester, and now I know a little bit more! Great video Paul!
Thanks Sam
Very interesting as always .. thank you for Sunday evenings :)
Lovely narration. Lovely pictures/angles. Lovely edit.
hello again Paul and Rebecca, this was very interesting , really well done and thank you for another cool video 😊😍
There's also a conundrum on the road from Silchester to Pontes (Staines). There was a Roman township midway between the two towns at Wickham Bushes in Swinley Forest. However it not ON the road if we believe the current straight alignment. There is a suggestion that, due the lie of the land, the road actually had a kink to the north to reach the township
Maybe the two parallel roads were north bound and southbound carriageways🙂 those first set of walls were truly spectacular. Never knew they existed . Excellent video, most interesting.
Well... you jest.... but... why not!?
@@pwhitewick Indeed Winchester was pretty important, as was Silchester , so how did "traffic" pass ? Presumably the lost town was a horse changeover point/march break and a lot of coming and going , and management into and aroud silchester west gate might have been needed
Really interesting cheers for posting Paul 👍👍👍
Really enjoyed this one, Paul. Happy hunting!!
Thanks colin
Thanks for checking this stuff out but I feel that some of this is the equivalent of asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Human nature and economics are a constant. No one spends resources on a road without a purpose. Even if a new town is off the official route. It's cheaper to build two branches than several miles of new road.
Good question!, it remains a mystery and one that lives in my head.
I love these Roman road videos. It would be interesting if you could find the remains of a Mansio along these roads. This might indicate if the road was a main road in Roman times.
Absolutely. I think the only solution is to get the shovel out.
I loved this, the info was great as usual and I can feel your production skills rising to the next level.
Thank you 😊
According to the University of Reading, Silchester was a Bronze age settlement, which the Romans took over. If you asked the students, when they are digging up Silchester, they will tell you that the angle of the houses, compared to the roads, means that the people who lived there were the Bronze age families, who allowed themselves to be taken over by the Romans.
Is it possible that the other road, went through similar settlements?
The Romans took over the iron Age settlement. Specifically the Atrebates tribe.
Just where you speculated the location of the lost town, I noticed the OS map shows ‘earthworks’. It would have been useful for you to quickly mention the known history of those earthworks just to close down any speculation viewers might have had - like me.
I think they are recent as there is no mention of them on pre-M3 OS maps.
@@ditch3827 OK, you've just floated another entertaining hobby for larrikins! Scattering scrap Roman pottery shards in motorway borrow pits! Keep the eggheads scratching their heads for years. 🙄😁
Fabulous investigation Paul.
Another cracking video, P & R. You certainly do your research.
yet another top-draw video - well done
And again an exciting video. 😍
Very interesting video and very well presented as always. Lidar is such a valuable tool.
Perhaps it was a relief road to allow more legions to depart south at the same time?
Have a great week!!
Maybe to relieve congestion in the town, at the gates and on the roads? Perhaps it was a toll road. Did the Romans have such a thing? Very interesting
Excellent very interesting.
At 8:00 seconds, The Motte and Bailey is listed as a ROMAN FORT on the 25 inch map of 1892-1914
I reckon it was a parallel route because there was so much traffic and the Romans had to implement a one way system! Another nice video Paul, regards to you and the boss.
You may jest... but why not!
Its a fascinating subject and as a member of the RRRA like seeing these videos. It would be great if your walks could be managed in a written format with things like car parking and footpath lines with any issues. It would make a fantastic days walk, especially if connected to modern Lidar and research and Ivan Margary's hard work. Thank You
Very enjoyable, as ever, Paul. I wonder if one replaced the other - maybe the older road went through land that became too marshy for instance? It would be interesting to know what the geology of the land is there…
I think the geology is largely chalk. It remains a mystery in my head.
Loved this adventure, but you knew that. Thanks for the sneaky preview.
Thanks for checking it over. Any mistakes now become your personal responsibility. ;-)
@@pwhitewick Splendid. What’s my salary?
@@hedleythorne love and joy.
@@pwhitewick I'm out.
Fascinating as always, Paul, especially as I have a copy of the relevant OS map to follow! Interesting detail in Davis Staveley's video too - which led to another heading back up the parallel route, which was certainly handy for Park Prewett.... Maybe the western route was built by Roman NIMBY's, eh?? 😁😂😂 Serious question now - as the route is seriously lost around Oakley, is there any way it might have replaced your missing town? Like, could something have happened that destroyed Vindomi a while before the Romans packed their bags, causing the eastern route to be built as there was now no need of the route via Vindomi, which was no longer there; and then a while after they'd gone, Oakley was built in its place?? The landscape would therefore have been destroyed twice, which could explain why there is so little trace in that vicinity?
Great bit of research, thanks Paul.
My pleasure!
Paul is Roman around the countryside. Great video as always. Greetings from Australia.
Thanks for watching!
I think there's a simple answer: Vindomis was a pre-Roman settlement on top of the 168m/550ft high hill south of North Waltham (an odd name - did the hill settlement survive to become a DMV as well?), and the parallel route was to bypass the gradients.
In my limited experience of tracing Roman roads in my area of North Staffordshire I have found several times variations to the original track eg where the road goes through a streamed valley liable to flood The alternative route moves to higher ground and then joins the original beyond the valley where flooding less usual
Great spot! 🙂
Just a question but wondered whether you had visited Caerleon near Newport in Wales. It has a roman barracks, amphitheatre, baths and museum within a small area within the town? Great video.
Not yet, but it's definitely on the cards
I am absolutely and totally hooked. I love what you two are doing. Not sure how I can contribute, not too tech savvy I'm afraid.
No panic Chris. Just keep watching and we will be grateful
Thanks very much Paul for replying, but if you could explain in simple terms I'd like to help pay towards your work. Is it a patreon? Or something like that.
@chriscarter6706 thank you Chris. We have either the join button (found here on youtube). Or we are on Patreon under "Paul and Rebecca Whitewick". Should be straight forward ish on either of those.
@@pwhitewick I am a dope. Yes all done now thanks Paul. I love the fact you are sometimes around the south west area too. Best wishes. Chris
Hi guys great video again.
I was wondering back in Roman times, did battered saussages also run paralel to each other as well?
There are parallel roads in the Golden Valley in Herefordshire. It was used for the military to patrol the area during expansion into Wales. Various crossing points allowed the cavalry to move between each road without a set pattern, making it harder for the enemy to ambush and cross.
Ah... so you think this could be the same?
@@pwhitewick possibly with the River Test towards the West, which creates a natural boundary. Some form of extension might have been used before pushing further West during the conquest.
3:37 As soon as I saw the over planned town of Basingstoke, I knew that all bets were off, strange anomalies will abound, no explanations will be forthcoming, in fact the only thing of which any visitor or hapless denizen can be certain sure is that's too many bloody roundabouts hereabouts.
This was great as I live in Oakley where their route would have gone through... Any guesses what sort of materials they would have used to build?
Pretty much anything local. Larger hardcore at the bottom and finer as the layers went up.
An Interesting Video with great views!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Many thanks!
2 almost parallel roads makes me wonder if it wasn't the result of a bureaucratic bungle, or just 2 very rich Romans demanding their own roads.
Lots of decent theories. I guess we will never know.
Thanks for the mention of my video Paul, but the link in the description didn't work
Ah thats frustrating. I'll link the video in five mins instead. Maybe that will work better.
You do such a great deal of research and study, combined with an engineer's practicality. Do you think you could actually find the lost town? That would be historically spectacular.
Essentially I think the only step now is to get the bucket and spade out
Earth works is marked on the OS map right of where they meet back up 🤷♂️ could be that easy.
I am fiddling Swinging on a Gate on my Violin.
This particular area is of some interest to me as I recall that near where the Roman road crosses the Kingsclere road there was a spot called Catern's Grave that was supposedly haunted by the malevolent ghost of a monk (or druid?). I've seen an excerpt from "Antiquity" that reported Roman era works in this vicinity, perhaps the source of the "grave" (in this case meaning a cut or ditch rather than a tomb).
This area is also only a few kilometers from the famous Watership Down.
Ah yes. Would that be a cross road grave? More akin to the saxon era?
I learnt to day - there's a bit of weird mystery Roman Road near Blackstone Edge in the Peak District.
Read about it - it's either a remarkably well-constructed 17th century drovers path or unusual bit of Roman road. There's loads of odd contradictory things that aren't consistent with either theory. And yes it is exposed with beautiful (unusual) paving, but that's where it really shows it general oddity.
Well worth a check out.
I'll be interested in what lies beyond Isca or Exeter. the roman roads just can't end. the city is too big.
The Fosse Way went to the River Axe where the Romans had a seaport at present day Axmouth.
The Roman Roads Research Association recently put up a video on YT about that - lots of new lidar info on Devon and Cornwall. I've long known of two roads, one going to Crediton and onwards to Okehampton that is visible on Google Earth, and another that may be Roman or earlier heading south to a hillfort just east of Newton Abbot. Hope this helps.
@@Crepello100 I just found the video. Thanks. I find this really interesting.
Do you think it possible that to build the Silchester - Winchester road they started from both ends hoping to meet in the middle but failed? The team from Winchester wanting the glory of completing the road just ploughed on all the way to Tadley at speed by neglecting to build the side ditches. The team from Silchester eventually got to the point where they could see the other road and cut across making the wiggle we see today and leaving the northern part of the other road redundant. Just a thought.
nice one
In and around the Oakley area and south to a possible town of VINDOMI, are a huge amount of chalk pits [see the 6 inch & 25-inch map of area]. Might it be possible that these chalk workings were used by the Romans during their building of houses and villas
I have never seen somebody more skillfull at reporting that he did not find what he was looking for and has no idea of why the parallel road was made. Haha.
they had buses! I suppose I better explain, "this gate would have entered into a bustling town" sorry, I'll get my coat.
have a look at the Fossway there are a curious sieries of lanes running parrallel to the main roada on the east side
and north of Cironcester very curious ttfn&ty
Ohhh i thought you were going to find the lost roman city indiana jones style!. Most deflated now. Still ,very interesting. What do you think the false road was in the wood, just a cart track?
Where do you get such detailed lidar ?
Funny thing is I found this route 2 days ago!
Oooh... how so?...
@@pwhitewick Sorry for a late reply! I was looking at Roman roads on Lidar and accidently found the route. I personally think that this was the original route as it seems contemporary with the Salisbury - Dorchester Roman Road
I wonder if back then the geography or ground cover war different enough from today to warrant a second easier traveled route?
I know that various land owners through time have moved roads for their own purposes .
Is it possible that is what happened here ? or is the land area too large ? .
what lidar map do you use?
A man named... Phil
Could it be a bit like some of the parallel motorways that we have in the UK whereby they give alternative routes betwixt 2 points so that if there is a lot of traffic they can be divided
I do feel like this could be an option.
Where does one get Lidar software is it freely available.
Lots of different places, the Environment Agency is the original source.
What have the Romans ever done for us ?
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RUclips un subscribed me despite the fact I've watched every single video. Just thought I'd let you know.
Thats odd.
Rather the Brittunculi were in the wrong place ;)
Thanks for the video. Though I don't think two parallel lines / roads can converge at a point.
I think they are parallel for maybe... 3 miles. Then the original turns in a wee bit
Insert joke about spherical geometry here.
does the modern word aggregate come from the roman word agga
Oooh I like it. Never thought about that.
couldn't actually see any signs of a roman road just looked like flat ground with a load of fallen leaves on it
Very tricky to show
Fun game! Take a drink every time Paul says Lidar 😛
Paul is sta..aggered
If you've got a good spot for the town location, send up the Bat-signal for Sir Tony & Time Team!
you said in the video as no one has yet too find, did you mean as no one's yet found
Er... yep.