Nice VId, those starters are $250. I bought a replacement from who knows where for $68 to my door. Living off grid with a Kohler 20KW , i always need a backup. I had to tap on the starter to fire up the house for weeks until one morning I woke up to my house shut down and no way to start the generator. Put the new one in in the cold dark with a headlamp in my pajamas. No big deal, but I appreciate you making this video showing the inside of this thing. Keep up the good work sir.
Two things. You did not disassemble the Solenoid. It does come apart, similar to a GM car one. There are contacts under the post to be cleaned and/or rotated 180 degrees. Second, that Bendix style worm gear drive in the starter body, needs cleaned and lubricated. Good video, thanx for sharing.
Thanks for the great video my GT 5000 would click a few times then it would turn over and start I replaced the undersize battery and I think I can get buy till warmer weather then I'll take the starter off and clean it up etc. thanks again keep up the good work.
The dirt is carbon dust, it is conductive. When you cleaned the armature, make sure to clean the spaces between the copper contacts, that will definitely cause slow rotation.
Not trying to be critical (very helpful video!), just worried about your safety. When bench testing I like to leave the positive cable connected, and connect the ground cable temporarily to test. That way you don't get all that sparking, right next to a can of acetone mixture. 🙂 Even better yet, a remote starter switch (inexpensive) is safer yet. Thank you again, very helpful disassembly video. I have the same exact starter and you just saved me some guess work!
Repairs and rebuilding are cheaper so try cutting the cost. My starter for craftsmen's 24 up is high up to sixty and repair parts are twenty so I'm ordering. Have a good day and I was raised to do this kind of repairs.
I’m afraid to try this and then I can’t get it all back together. 😢 Right now I’m still able to jump start it across the solenoid. I tried the Terralnfixesall approach by using a spare three prong solenoid but all it did was the same click no start.😢
17:29 Good job. My only comment is that it seems like it takes a long time for the motor to wind up. With no load, seems like max rpm should be almost instantaneous.
@@doublewide6 I have a feeling that the old motor's field windings are partially shorted or the brushes are not properly conducting. A resistance comparison between the old motor and the new would confirm. In any case, a good call to replace! Regards.
...... I concur, I expected it to jump off the bench if all the stator windings were intact. Not economically viable I suppose to map out each field and measure ohms.
You tightened the bolts while the starter was on its side causing misalignment. Tighten them with the starter standing straight up and gradually tighten both together.
good vid bob ... now if i can only get my zero turn back going checked the valves now it could be the starter bummer .. mine has the starter by it self .. kohler double v 23 hp pro .. †
@@doublewide6 ... been having probs trying to start it .. set the valves hope i did it right .. tried the solenoid seems ok so i hope it's the starter now and nothing wrong with engine the starter made a noise now and started to smoke a little bit now soooo .........
@@redskool8498 replace the starter. Charge that battery, if you still have hard starting you may have a broken compression release and have to replace the cam. Pretty common on Briggs.
Those brushes can be a bear to re- install. There are little holes you can put paper clip size wire into that retract the brushes away from the armature
Why use a penitrating oil to lube the plain bearings? Wouldn't a regular oil last longer? I do a lot of starters and electrical motors, like ceiling fans and bath room vent fans and just put in a light weight oil to lube the bearings. Just curious. I like the video, Good Job!
It doesn't look like you checked the solenoid at all, and even bypassed it when testing at the end. If you had an external solenoid set up to work just like your booster cables that would work, but as-is that starter could still be clicking all day. I thought you were actually going to open up and repair the solenoid part, not just blow the worn brush dust out of the motor.
solinoid has copper cotacts which can be cleanedup. use too do it all the time on gm cars. great video. use too clean older gh ones all the time just brush them clean n back together
Great video on starter repair and anatomy. On some of my old car starters the bushings in the ends would get bad and the armature would rub on the magnets some and would be to much drag to turn over then engine much. But maybe you got this one fixed up to use in a pinch anyway. Thanks for sharing.
Would of been nice to see how it was running before you cleaned it up. And then reinstall after cleaning to prove it's not only functioning better but capable of turning over the engine like it should.
I should have shown it running on the bench. I ran but very slowly. I couldn't put back on tractor because it was a Gravely zero turn that was in a very very tight spot to remove. With hoses, wires, gas tank, and oil cooler is took 45 min. to remove.
It’s always a good idea to get a little basic information about the thing your about to dive into before you start. Carbon brushes on any armature electric motor never need to be attacked with a file, also they are easy to reposition in the motor if you pull them out slightly then use the spring to hold them out until the assembly is refitted. Always great to try new things but get a little insight first. Just sayin!!!
Eveytime I see a motor opened up like this one and I see all that copper I think to myself... damn we have mined an enormous amount of copper from the Earth!
you know when you pulled off the brushes, if you used a socket the same size you could have pushed it right on🖖 You should stretch the Bendix spring out a bit mine has a ford solenoid I hate that and will get rid of it under the battery plate with 1"+ hard to reach bolts and no bracket to the steering wheel so it moves enough to assist in wearing out steering pinion system with the bolt under the engine plate you have to remove the PTO THE ENGINEER SHOULD HAVE TO WALK A BED OF HOT COALS🤪🤯✌
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Nice VId, those starters are $250. I bought a replacement from who knows where for $68 to my door. Living off grid with a Kohler 20KW , i always need a backup. I had to tap on the starter to fire up the house for weeks until one morning I woke up to my house shut down and no way to start the generator. Put the new one in in the cold dark with a headlamp in my pajamas. No big deal, but I appreciate you making this video showing the inside of this thing. Keep up the good work sir.
Dude. You just saved me $70 bucks! My brush assembly was packed with oil/fine grass particle mixture. Cleaned her up and she spins great now!
great video, short but sweet tutorial on starter operation and repair, dirt is always the culprit. Thanks
You bet
Two things. You did not disassemble the Solenoid. It does come apart, similar to a GM car one. There are contacts under the post to be cleaned and/or rotated 180 degrees.
Second, that Bendix style worm gear drive in the starter body, needs cleaned and lubricated. Good video, thanx for sharing.
Thanks for the great video my GT 5000 would click a few times then it would turn over and start I replaced the undersize battery and I think I can get buy till warmer weather then I'll take the starter off and clean it up etc. thanks again keep up the good work.
The dirt is carbon dust, it is conductive. When you cleaned the armature, make sure to clean the spaces between the copper contacts, that will definitely cause slow rotation.
It is nice to see something repaired.
It's Bruce approved!
You see it everyday in your garage. Let me know if you are interested in teaming up on a video somehow?
Not trying to be critical (very helpful video!), just worried about your safety. When bench testing I like to leave the positive cable connected, and connect the ground cable temporarily to test. That way you don't get all that sparking, right next to a can of acetone mixture. 🙂 Even better yet, a remote starter switch (inexpensive) is safer yet.
Thank you again, very helpful disassembly video. I have the same exact starter and you just saved me some guess work!
You are the man Bob. Thanks for sharing. I have never been in a starter before so I did learn a few things. Stay Safe. Stay Healthy. God Bless!
It is always fun to tear into something that you don't have to worry about destroying.
Thanks for the excellent breakdown and presentation 👍.
Hello there! The starter motor on my grasshopper 223 takes few turns before it turns the engine. What do you think it is???
Repairs and rebuilding are cheaper so try cutting the cost. My starter for craftsmen's 24 up is high up to sixty and repair parts are twenty so I'm ordering. Have a good day and I was raised to do this kind of repairs.
Is there anywhere you can buy only the brushes for this starter? The brushes on my starter are gonne.
I’m afraid to try this and then I can’t get it all back together. 😢 Right now I’m still able to jump start it across the solenoid. I tried the Terralnfixesall approach by using a spare three prong solenoid but all it did was the same click no start.😢
My starter is clicking but not turning. When do you clean it versus buying a new one ? A new starter.
Great vid: never seen inside a starter .
17:29 Good job. My only comment is that it seems like it takes a long time for the motor to wind up. With no load, seems like max rpm should be almost instantaneous.
Yeah. My thoughts exactly.
Yes I looked at it I agree. I will have to try it on an engine to see. What do I need to do to try and fix it?
@@doublewide6 I have a feeling that the old motor's field windings are partially shorted or the brushes are not properly conducting. A resistance comparison between the old motor and the new would confirm.
In any case, a good call to replace! Regards.
...... I concur, I expected it to jump off the bench if all the stator windings were intact.
Not economically viable I suppose to map out each field and measure ohms.
You tightened the bolts while the starter was on its side causing misalignment. Tighten them with the starter standing straight up and gradually tighten both together.
good vid bob ... now if i can only get my zero turn back going checked the valves now it could be the starter bummer .. mine has the starter by it self .. kohler double v 23 hp pro .. †
What is wrong with your tractor?
@@doublewide6 ... been having probs trying to start it .. set the valves hope i did it right .. tried the solenoid seems ok so i hope it's the starter now and nothing wrong with engine the starter made a noise now and started to smoke a little bit now soooo .........
@@redskool8498 replace the starter. Charge that battery, if you still have hard starting you may have a broken compression release and have to replace the cam. Pretty common on Briggs.
@@doublewide6 ... not a briggs bob .. kohler double v 23 hp pro .. also a new battery it checks out good ..
Those brushes can be a bear to re- install. There are little holes you can put paper clip size wire into that retract the brushes away from the armature
Thanks for this tip. Have messed around for a good 10 minutes trying to get the back in.
Why use a penitrating oil to lube the plain bearings? Wouldn't a regular oil last longer? I do a lot of starters and electrical motors, like ceiling fans and bath room vent fans and just put in a light weight oil to lube the bearings. Just curious. I like the video, Good Job!
Great job, great video!
Thank you!
It doesn't look like you checked the solenoid at all, and even bypassed it when testing at the end. If you had an external solenoid set up to work just like your booster cables that would work, but as-is that starter could still be clicking all day. I thought you were actually going to open up and repair the solenoid part, not just blow the worn brush dust out of the motor.
solinoid has copper cotacts which can be cleanedup. use too do it all the time on gm cars. great video. use too clean older gh ones all the time just brush them clean n back together
Thanks for the tip! Inside the solinoid or the ones on the outside?
@@doublewide6 Inside. be carefull takiking apart copper wire is easy too break. take care.
Good video.
Happy Motoring.
Nice job DW6! 👍👍
Thanks 👍
Great video on starter repair and anatomy. On some of my old car starters the bushings in the ends would get bad and the armature would rub on the magnets some and would be to much drag to turn over then engine much. But maybe you got this one fixed up to use in a pinch anyway. Thanks for sharing.
If he had crossed his eyes, tugged his left ear and shook his right foot all about, he’d have been golden😀
I got it to start one time for me, but I had to stomp my foot twice.
Would of been nice to see how it was running before you cleaned it up. And then reinstall after cleaning to prove it's not only functioning better but capable of turning over the engine like it should.
I should have shown it running on the bench. I ran but very slowly. I couldn't put back on tractor because it was a Gravely zero turn that was in a very very tight spot to remove. With hoses, wires, gas tank, and oil cooler is took 45 min. to remove.
where do you get acitone from?
Acetone
It’s always a good idea to get a little basic information about the thing your about to dive into before you start. Carbon brushes on any armature electric motor never need to be attacked with a file, also they are easy to reposition in the motor if you pull them out slightly then use the spring to hold them out until the assembly is refitted.
Always great to try new things but get a little insight first. Just sayin!!!
Thank you
Eveytime I see a motor opened up like this one and I see all that copper I think to myself... damn we have mined an enormous amount of copper from the Earth!
And they want a LOT more for the EVs they are wanting to force on us.
you know when you pulled off the brushes, if you used a socket the same size you could have pushed it right on🖖 You should stretch the Bendix spring out a bit mine has a ford solenoid I hate that and will get rid of it under the battery plate with 1"+ hard to reach bolts and no bracket to the steering wheel so it moves enough to assist in wearing out steering pinion system with the bolt under the engine plate you have to remove the PTO THE ENGINEER SHOULD HAVE TO WALK A BED OF HOT COALS🤪🤯✌
This is how he puts on he's name he's still a child 😂
Huh 🤔
Should of tested it first to see if starter engages.
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