@@CersionX Cause RX cards are actually catching up when it comes to running games without RayTracing or DLSS/FSR for a price that most people don't have to save over a year for
@@Gm2force É superior no custo benefício, mas não vai entregar a performance em jogos como a nvidia entrega e isso é um fato, fora que, economizar um pouco mais tu consegue uma placa de vídeo suficientemente superior, eu gosto demais da amd, mas não da pra defender... Consome quase o dobro de energia, é mais fraca, custa até 600 reais mais barato, porém, se eu juntar mais um mês consigo a placa melhor e que me fará economizar até em energia.
Yeah, and especially when the base rtx 4070 cards are thinner on average, and some of them can allow space to one side for the next slot in the motherboard.
@@notenjoying666 doesnt matter to the consumer 🤷🏼♂️ if amd card to exepnsive= nvidia card gets bought. Amd suffers marketshare and sale= amd Problem .
@@OmnianMIUyeah ray tracing really important for the 12 games that have it 😂. That shit isn't mainstream yet and won't be atleast till the next console gen by then most of the ray tracing cards of today would be a memory.
@@pseudoscientist8010because of a long standing of being #1, higher performance in their top card (7900xtx vs 4090), better Ray Tracing (the public loves that), and brand loyalty
@@karthik7282a very significant amount of games have RT, however, its pretty much useless since standard lighting is so advanced, u are naïve to think its still a time where the 2080ti was top dog, and RTX was meaningless, but u are right in that its pretty much worthless
@@141menaceHere in my country the minimum wage is 1.3k 7700xt costs 3.2k and 7800xt 4k. It's a big difference, the right amount would be 2.7k and 3.3k more or less, unfortunately here the taxes end the price.
RX 7700XT com seu preço mais reduzido vai ser a melhor placa custo benefício, e ela vai ficar ainda melhor quando a amd lançar o FSR3 que está vindo para rivalizar com o dlss3!
come on, my friend is a user of both amd and nvidia. In terms of price and pure performance, it's true that AMD is very good but FSR 3 is superior to DLSS 3, so what kind of drug are you taking that makes the high last so long?. Even in FSR 2 it was always poor with Dlss, let's look at reality, and dlss 3.5 already has
@@chien.nguyen. FSR3 em testes feitos pela a AMD está indicando ser superior ao dlss3, o 3.5 aí já é outra coisa! A AMD melhorando o FSR3 para rivalizar com o dlss3, porém no quesito que você falou do dlss ser melhor que o FSR, eu concordo! Porém pelo o que AMD, vem falando sobre o FSR3, está parecendo ser bastante promissora!😂🥂😁
@@claudevanlourival I still remember when they announced FSR when they said it was equal to and in some cases even surpassed dlss, then why did amd give us a disaster of FSR 1.0 and even 2 later.
I bought the RTX 4070 ti, and I have no idea why people are hating on it so much, DLSS 3.0 frame generation is a bliss, and I can't tell the difference on or off.
Because $750-$800+ for a 12GB card is A LOT more than $450 for a 12GB card that is similar in performance. That's a MINIMUM of $300 difference for somewhat better performance. Since you brought up the ti version, most will be better off buying a 7800XT 16GB card which cost $550 and performs on par and in some cases better that the RXT 4070 ti for $200 less. People seem to just now finally realize that price to performance is a way better purchase metric than brand name.
Mid-2024 update: 7700XT down to $400, has BANGING software package (Lies of P, Avatar, Space Marine 2 and Unknown 9 Awakening), RTX 4070 is ...$550. It had Wukong for a couple weeks. I think their next bundle is set to be, uh, checking notes... Star Wars Outlaws. Well. That'll certainly bump Outlaws' unit sales!
Yea after seeing many reviews and videos, i think i can finally say that if dont dont care for ray tracing ( i think majority of gamers dont care for it ) the 7700xt and 7800xt are the best cards to buy for 1440p gaming in the current market. The 4070 is extremely to expensive.
my guy rt isnt that important after 3 gens lol i never use it in games on my 4070 and most dont either. 2. upscalers: fsr competes with dlss and fsr 3.0 with FG. Amd is about to launch it. i hate FG btw the input lag is insane. and the price of the 7700xt is much lower esacilly in non us countries its 100€+ diffrence @@OmnianMIU
so to sum this video up, your pretty much paying an extra $150 for ray tracing and an extra 10fps if that in "some" games? Cause these are pretty much the same card. 7700xt gotta be a no brainer.
@@religion_is_bullshit 7900xtx is outselling the 4080 too, the 4070 is the only 40 series card selling half well and it's being outsold by multiple AMD cards including the 6950xt and the 7900xt
@@pseudoscientist8010 you seem smart, tell me how much of that market share is from past generations? 10% of gamers don't have a 40 series card. Are you trolling?? Nvidia have completely fucked this gen up
but when u pair amd card with amd cpu, u will get same perfomance on 7700xt as 4070. i have both cards. i can tell you they are same in games, but not in benchmarks!
Controversial take from me, can you add one more test using FSR/DLSS for each card and show the difference? People spend $450 or $600 for the software as well. I know pure rasterization is important but the uplift from respective sharpening tech is just as important.
AMD shouldn't be targeting the 4070. The card is a complete balanced. I wouldn't mind paying extra hundred for a 4070 tbh, and in real time scenarios both 7800xt and 4070 are priced the same in most other countries. Even we compare them with their real MSRP, 4070 is still much more preferable because of its way better tech, efficiency, reliability. Edit: AMD should be targeting 4060 ti ,4070ti instead.
Si no la quieres para productividad no tienes razón para elegir a la 4070 , el RT todavía está súper verde tanto en Nvidia como en AMD , el dlss3 está bien pero el fsr3 está muy parejo y con el rendimiento extra que te da el 7800 xt no tienes necesidad de activar el rescalado Y esta bien la 7800xt consume 63 wats más pero es $50 más barata
@@MrToastyYT i don't think so. The quality of illumination and shadows is not the point. The point of ray tracing is a real movement of this. In rasterization is not naturally. You have a radeon and said this. Buy an rtx and come beck to talk about rt and dlss. Imbarassing are gpu radeon because are useless in new techs and are inefficient!
@@klubsybeartutorials8453 The cards Nvidia vs AMD competition is price and fps not only fps. You're wrong fellow, 7800XT in cyberpunk 2077, god of war, last of us and others games runs at same fps as rtx 4070 ti.
Neither can do RT at a playable frame-rate so why show it? If you want RT it starts at 4070ti or 7900xt. Honest opinion is it is not worth the fps drop on any current gen GPU and will not be viable for another 2-3 generations. Buying a GPU for RT is a very bad way to select one. Rasterization is still king and what should be used. Also power usage should only be a factor if you have a PSU too small and cannot afford a new one or your stressing over paying an extra 5 dollars a year in power from usage. Both AMD and Nvidia GPU"s(I own both) give you the same experience and ar great. I also do not notice any difference between DLSS and FSR while gaming, only when watching reviews that zoom into the edges and put the screens side by side. And even then it is not a big difference and you will not be able to tell. People that claim one is better or worse has a agenda to why there saying that. Buy what gives you what you want do not listen to anybody else.
With respect to performance they are on par but just look at the Wattage consumption. Nvidia surely is more power efficient. Electricity bills on long run will overcome the price.
This depends on the owner and how long till they upgrade. They have a very small gap in power efficiency that it needs maybe a year or two to even out the price of the two wheb bought but again depends on your country. If you have an expensive electricity that 245 vs 200w doesn't mean much because they're both gonna up your bills crazily
@@pauloazuela8488 If someone wants Ray Tracing then go for RTX 4070 or else 7700xt is great. This gen cards have literally weird naming imo. The 4070 should have been called 4060Ti and the 7700xt should have been a 7700 because they perform in such a way if we see the past generations.
the rx770xt is not a bad card, here in chile in particular the most basic model of rx7700xt the pulse is around 300 USD cheaper than basic no bells and whistles RTX 4070. and is around 40 USD more than the chepaest 16 gb RTX 4060ti if you manage to find one. So not bad at all, since i do not care about raytracing max settings this card is perfect for me. i can move cyberpunk 2077 on tv at 4k 60Hz high settings no problem.
Thank you very much for this video, I was very curious about such a comparison, but only on this channel I am sure that it is not a fake, but a real test.
no... if you use it daily for 2 hours for a hole year everyday (it will prop be less in most cases) you pay 12€ more and thats with the most expensive contract in Germany where electricy is insanely expensive. it doesnt matter. the kicked out heat into the room is something else doe
В большинстве игр разницы была в 10% в пользу 4070, максиум был в 20%, были и игры с минимальной разницей, считай что это погрешность, . В целом, при таком раскладе 7700xt отличная видеокарта, если ты не стример и не занимаешь работой где нужна видеокарта. Они оба стоят своих денег. Всё же, 4070 и 4090 единственные кто стоят своих денег в 40 линейки rtx, думаю через год перейду на 4070, если цена ещё упадет будет шикарно
It’s shame that AMD is not in priority to improve RT performance with a new generation of cards, or they are simply unable to do so with financing or topology implementation if otherwise. They probably bet on fsr 3, so maybe indeed it will be great in ray tracing performance at some point and want consumers to believe in that 😅
well its hard to compete against the company introducing it and is already one gen further...if amd could leapfrog that they would but it aint possible
RT is shit for today and in the near future. The technology is still working terribly and does not even come close to making realistic behavior of light and reflections. It's still mostly fake reflections and light. And no video card is capable of pulling even an existing RT without using dlss or fsr. Even 4090. And these technologies of upscaling and frame generation only spoil and blur the picture and do not give a good image in native resolution. I'm already silent about ghosting effects and artifacts. It's much better to have a clean performance at the moment. Maybe in a few years, when these technologies reach good quality, they will make sense. But not now.
@@Asivis if you ever played cyberpunk with and without rt you wouldnt open your mouth tbh. Crazy diffrence and a 4090 and 4080 can handle it. At 4k dlss quality looks basiclly like native... so no. FG is really shit doe
@@theplayerofus319 Maybe for you in 4k dlss for quality and looks like native, but not for me. Everyone has a different perception. I can see the blurring of the picture even on 4k. Maybe it's okay for you, but not for me. And yes, reflections and light in cyberpunk get better when RT is turned on, but these are still not real reflections from real life. And reducing the quality of the picture for the sake of slightly better reflections is unacceptable to me. In any case, everyone chooses what suits him best.
@@Asivis just watch Hardware unboxed Video on dlss and fsr. Maybe you get that out of your head. You couldnt Spot the diffrence if you wouldnt know it was on or off. All in your head really. They tested it and in most games it was as native, exept you sit 1 inch infront of your 55 TV 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So if you wants to build a computer, you chooses RX for better value? I am so clueless and not into specs but I´m ready to spend big on a gaming computer. For me 10 FPS drop is nothing.
In my country with the average salary of $500 per month and minimum is $200 per month, 4070 cost $668, and 7700XT $500 .... so for you that live in the US don't critics to much for your GPU price there...compare to the minimum salary there, it would be our 1 year salary for 1 month in USA🙂 (My country is Indonesia) please be grateful US people hahah
Lol $600 for the 4070 my asscrack. When I got mine when it came out here in the US it was like $800, the 4080 is still like $1,200 or more, and the 4090 is still $2,000 to $3,000. The only cards that you can get for MSRP can be bought on AMD's website, like idk why everyone isn't using the RX 7600. The thing is $269 brand new, and they go on sale at least once every month or so. I was able to get one from AMD directly for $200, I think it was like $218 total after taxes and fees. When you consider that the RX 7600 is better than the 4060 in many games, (Don't come here and try to spout about cherry picked benchmarks using Nvidia Optimized or PlayStation ports, games like Assassin's Creed, The Last of Us, Spiderman, etc) I hate that there's such a huge amount of people who claim to be enthusiasts, but still carry around the myth that AMD is some horrible company or that their drivers are horrible, or whatever. But it is funny that when you ask the majority of people who use AMD cards, they all say they have 0 problems with them. Then every so often someone will show up and say they have some AMD card and its horrible and whatever, but then every time I have looked into it, it turned out they were lying through their teeth, and they didn't even own a computer, much less a gaming PC using an RX 7000 series GPU, lololol. I can't even tell you how many people I have caught lying about what they have. Caught a guy here on RUclips actually who said he had an RTX 4090 and everyone else is broke and how everyone else are all bums, BUT then when I went to his channel he was playing COD on a fuckin PlayStation, and the uploads were all decoded at max 720p. XD So I commented about how isn't funny someone with a 4090 couldn't even figure out how to upload videos at 1080p, and why they would be using a PS5 and a controller at all if they have a $5,000 gaming PC. HE DELETED HIS RUclips ACCUNT hahaha.
Yes but again, benchmarking while walking on a straight line doesn't provide realistic results. Go into town, start a mission for a moment and it will be entirely different.
AMD: 30W higher power draw, higher frametimes, worse raytracing performance, 5-10% lower framerate. Nvidia: 170€ more expensive in my country. I'd say 170€ for those features is A LOT. So AMD still wins for me.
In the UK "Overclocker UK" the average price of the 4070 "low to high" is £685, the average price of the 7700XT "again "low to high" is £475 and yes the RT in the 4070 is better but it aint worth the hit. Sensible buyers will always use pure rastor as their starting point.
RT is fine and all, but to me its not worth the hit on performance(even on Nvidia), not the mention that games with RT features are usually poorly implemented and the good ones you can count on 1 hand. I would give it another 5 years until RT is really worth considering when buying a GPU. DLSS is good tho, but i hate it because devs will cheap out on optimization because of it.
AMD Cards is not that efficient anymore when it comes to energy. Good call for Nvidia for improving their cards and having a more power efficient cards.
Got all the raw power working but you have everything that makes the 4070 better turned off. Turn on everything then try....10-15% difference I bet. Then the overclocking....say no more
Today I bought a new 4070 for $480, while the rx 7700 xt costs $40 more. I really wanted to buy a video card from AMD, but I’m not going to pay more (in Russia)
Damn dude. I wish I would have looked at the RX 7700 XT before buying an RTX 4070 when it Launched. I literally paid like $800 for a card that trades blows with a fuckin $450 card. And I dont give a rats ass about RT or DLSS, RT barely makes a visual difference in MOST games, and DLSS when you have a 1440p monitor looks like absolute ass, plus there are literally like 10 other Super Sampling options out there, and frankly out of all of the ones I used, the best one so far is definitely Intel XeSS. It looks the best out of the Nvidia DLSS, AMD FSR, and the other Nvidia open source DLSS version they have. It gets a couple less frames, but the visual quality is a lot better. Still looks like shit compared to just running native 1080p or 1440p though. Everything looks blurry and shit. Honestly, unless you have at minimum a 4k or 8k screen, Super Sampling is just stupid as fuck. And even then, you should never use it unless you are getting less than 55 FPS. Otherwise, it is literally the most useless "Feature" on the planet. I could see if you have a SUPER old GPU and cant run games at 720p so you decide to upscale it, but then you can not even use DLSS and you have to use AMD FSR 2.0 or 3.0 or use Intel XeSS. So, DLSS as an argument to buy a new GPU is only used by idiots and people who have never even used the shit. Same with Ray Tracing, i8ts a bit better but honestly most games look better without it or you cant tell the difference.
4000 series and rx 7000 series both are disappointment nothing much upgrade. Lesser render cores , especially Nvidia 3000 series has more memory bus and vram bandwith. A4000 AND A6000 prices increased by 40% becuz of AI . AND RCOm sucks for AI . NVIDIA giving you less memory bus and vram bandwith and render so even after CUDA crap it doesn't make. Sense.
According to AMD, the 7800 consumes 263 watts. The RX 7700 is almost identical to the 4070 but cheaper. Don't listen to companies; look at the specs. Just like AMD, Nvidia could launch 4070s and say, 'Oh well, according to us, the new 4070 is made to compete with the 7650 XT.' It would make no sense.
It needs to be $420 and 420euro in order to make sense outside of the RX 7800xt. For just $50 you are getting at least 17% more performance with the 7800xt
7700xt isnt bad for just gaming but the 4070 gives you more value once you factor in the features like DLSS, Ray Tracing and frame generation. Plus the software side like Geforce now and Nvidia Broadcast. Using Nvidia broadcast to remove the background wothout needing a greenscreen has been great for me. Pros and cons of both AMD and Nvidia.
now the 7700xt is £370 and the 4070 is obsolete and £500+ Nvidia is still rubbish for mid gamers that actually use a gpu for games. No need for fan boys to pipe up, you do not even get benefit from RT with this card and at £500 it should bring you a beer, give you a reach around and actually be able to utilise its' own gimmick.
People can correct me if im wrong but I think he is using a card model that has higher OC speed which uses more power. The power draw might be lower or the same as a 4070 if its a default stock card. That shows how good the 7700 XT really is, for it's price
Games :
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 0:06 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
CYBERPUNK 2077 RT - 1:09 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
Hogwarts Legacy - 2:18 - gvo.deals/TG3HogwartsLegacy
The Last of Us Part I - 3:13
Hitman 3 - 4:14 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesHitman3
Starfield - 5:01
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 5:59 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesMFS20
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 7:03 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2
Forza Horizon 5 - 8:07 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
Remnant 2 - 9:23
The Witcher 3 - 10:26 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesWitcher
System:
Windows 11
Core i9-13900K - bit.ly/3SgY3xf
ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming - bit.ly/3scEZpc
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz - bit.ly/3XlBGdU
CPU Cooler - Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 - bit.ly/3Pn2xVx
GeForce RTX 4070 12GB - bit.ly/405fHYP
RADEON RX 7700 XT 12GB - bit.ly/3ZfgFmr
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR HX Series HX1200 1200W - bit.ly/3EZWtNj
please list the exact card models used please
what aib model of the 7700 xt are you using?
Nvidia dropped the price of the 4070 to US $550 I guess AMD has embarrassed Nvidia a bit
where
How does that make them embarrassed
@@CersionX Cause RX cards are actually catching up when it comes to running games without RayTracing or DLSS/FSR for a price that most people don't have to save over a year for
AMD price is a joke for shills
everywhere else in the world people buy Nvidia more because AMD cards are more expensive and lower performance
@@loucipher7782 Legitely, what are/were you on?
Here in Brazil the difference between them is about 1000 reais, something around 200 usd, for that price, 7700xt completely trashes the 4070
@@engmecfleck deus te ouça
comprei a rx 7700 xt por 2800, tava de olho da 4070 mas tava pelo menos 600 reais mais cara kkkk
to só esperando chegar pra montar a config nova hehe
@@Dinizz0slk, no brasil a amd é bem supeior
@@Gm2force É superior no custo benefício, mas não vai entregar a performance em jogos como a nvidia entrega e isso é um fato, fora que, economizar um pouco mais tu consegue uma placa de vídeo suficientemente superior, eu gosto demais da amd, mas não da pra defender...
Consome quase o dobro de energia, é mais fraca, custa até 600 reais mais barato, porém, se eu juntar mais um mês consigo a placa melhor e que me fará economizar até em energia.
@@Estoico95 na vdd sim irmão, compara preço por preço, amd sempre ganha nos jogos
For its money, 7700 xt is very good.
I honestly agree
Didn't ask
@@GrEeCe_MnKyI asked
Yes
but the 50$ price gap between 7700xt and 7800xt makes people to settle for a 7800xt
may be 400$ would have been better for 7700xt
I don't think that people who want to make a pc on budget care for ray tracing, so rx 7700xt in my opinion is the best
AMD needs to price their cards well outside US. There is hardly any difference in pricing as nvidia 4070. I guess Nvidia will win easily
This. In the Philippines AMD price is crazy.
Yeah, and especially when the base rtx 4070 cards are thinner on average, and some of them can allow space to one side for the next slot in the motherboard.
who even needs this anymore @@ObiKKa
Not amd, local sellers issue.
@@notenjoying666 doesnt matter to the consumer 🤷🏼♂️ if amd card to exepnsive= nvidia card gets bought. Amd suffers marketshare and sale= amd Problem .
AMD is knocking it out of the park with these new cards and making them at a price point that is reasonable.
Explain why Nvidia has 85% of the market share?
In gaming 2023, not exists only rasterization. The most AAA games have RT. Radeon are obsolete gpus
@@OmnianMIUyeah ray tracing really important for the 12 games that have it 😂. That shit isn't mainstream yet and won't be atleast till the next console gen by then most of the ray tracing cards of today would be a memory.
@@pseudoscientist8010because of a long standing of being #1, higher performance in their top card (7900xtx vs 4090), better Ray Tracing (the public loves that), and brand loyalty
@@karthik7282a very significant amount of games have RT, however, its pretty much useless since standard lighting is so advanced, u are naïve to think its still a time where the 2080ti was top dog, and RTX was meaningless, but u are right in that its pretty much worthless
RX 7700 XT is a good one. 450$ for this is not bad at all, RX 6700 XT launch at 479$ but on par with RTX 3070
more like 3070ti when it comes to normal raster fps
7700 XT is irrelevant at 450$ when u can spend 50$ more to get the 7800 XT
@@ImperialDiecastno mate 6750xt is actually 3070 in raster
And 6700xt is 3060 ti if vram doesn't come here
@@141menaceHere in my country the minimum wage is 1.3k
7700xt costs 3.2k and 7800xt 4k. It's a big difference, the right amount would be 2.7k and 3.3k more or less, unfortunately here the taxes end the price.
@@Astra_057 4000$ for a 7800 XT? ur country is trippin lmao
I'm waiting for a test with the RX 7800 XT and the 6950 XT, 7900 XT, 7900 GRE
RX 7700XT com seu preço mais reduzido vai ser a melhor placa custo benefício, e ela vai ficar ainda melhor quando a amd lançar o FSR3 que está vindo para rivalizar com o dlss3!
come on, my friend is a user of both amd and nvidia. In terms of price and pure performance, it's true that AMD is very good but FSR 3 is superior to DLSS 3, so what kind of drug are you taking that makes the high last so long?. Even in FSR 2 it was always poor with Dlss, let's look at reality, and dlss 3.5 already has
Olha, temos um vidente aqui, falando sério, não sabemos como vai funcionar e nem a qualidade do fsr3.
@@chien.nguyen. FSR3 em testes feitos pela a AMD está indicando ser superior ao dlss3, o 3.5 aí já é outra coisa! A AMD melhorando o FSR3 para rivalizar com o dlss3, porém no quesito que você falou do dlss ser melhor que o FSR, eu concordo! Porém pelo o que AMD, vem falando sobre o FSR3, está parecendo ser bastante promissora!😂🥂😁
@@giovanesk Testes feitos pela amd vem indicando o FSR3 sendo superior ao dlss3!💁🤝
@@claudevanlourival I still remember when they announced FSR when they said it was equal to and in some cases even surpassed dlss, then why did amd give us a disaster of FSR 1.0 and even 2 later.
Can you make 7800XT vs rtx 4070 ti ??
I bought the RTX 4070 ti, and I have no idea why people are hating on it so much, DLSS 3.0 frame generation is a bliss, and I can't tell the difference on or off.
Because $750-$800+ for a 12GB card is A LOT more than $450 for a 12GB card that is similar in performance. That's a MINIMUM of $300 difference for somewhat better performance. Since you brought up the ti version, most will be better off buying a 7800XT 16GB card which cost $550 and performs on par and in some cases better that the RXT 4070 ti for $200 less. People seem to just now finally realize that price to performance is a way better purchase metric than brand name.
Mid-2024 update: 7700XT down to $400, has BANGING software package (Lies of P, Avatar, Space Marine 2 and Unknown 9 Awakening), RTX 4070 is ...$550. It had Wukong for a couple weeks. I think their next bundle is set to be, uh, checking notes... Star Wars Outlaws. Well. That'll certainly bump Outlaws' unit sales!
At worst case you lose 10% for 25% cheaper price.
At best its on par for 25% cheaper price.
Pretty clear who wins here.
Also 10% more wattage
i just switched from a 2060 to a 7700xt it does a great job and gets great temps.
I switch from a gt 730 to rtx 2060 6gb
Im feeling lot better
@@avithbenedict2976 yeh the 2060 is still a great card espeicaly comapred to the 730
@@ant5963is the 7700 good?
@@o3a_ the 7700xt is good yes ive been able to play every single game ive tried without any issues it pairs well wiyth my 5700x cpu
@@ant5963 thanks 👍
Right now the cost for a RX 7700 XT is 385$ right now on Newegg
DLSS still a huge selling point though, given how bad optimized games are releasing this days
how much better is dlss than fsr?
@@han-sooyoung 100 times better. dlss is literally like native fsr is shit
Sure Nvidia wins. A few frames more. Not enough to justify the price difference. I'm buying the 7700XT.
Yea after seeing many reviews and videos, i think i can finally say that if dont dont care for ray tracing ( i think majority of gamers dont care for it ) the 7700xt and 7800xt are the best cards to buy for 1440p gaming in the current market. The 4070 is extremely to expensive.
But DLSS is so much more better.
@@rhythmmandal3377but it is hard to notice both of them while you playing a game, especially some intense game 😅
@@rhythmmandal3377Doesn't really matter when it's too expensive. I'd rather look onto pure rasterization performance than upscaling
as someone who sees RT and other graphical enhancements by companies to be not a big deal apart from just basic accessibility, i totally agree
4070 now sells for $550. $100 is easily worth the upcharge for Frame Gen, far superior DLSS, better RT, and healthy power savings.
hEalThy PoWeR sAvInGs
amd has afmf, fsr, sam and no one uses rt anyways. also, the rt performance on the 4070 wasnt too great either
I'm curious to see how much difference is there between the RX 6750XT & RX 7700XT. I don't think they are that much apart.
There is a video where he compares the rx 6700xt vs rx 7700xt
rx 7700xt is like thr 6800 non Xt though
@@pauloazuela8488with less vram and more expensive and let's not forget more power consumption
It's a no go over 6800 and 7800xt
Gigabyte RTX 4070 $550 on Newegg currently, considering it has the better RT performance, Frame generation & DLSS advantage It's not a bad price.
In my country the RX 7700XT is $150 dollars cheaper than the 4070 so I'm definetly going for it
AMD WON THIS
Ehm no.... amd lose, because don't support enaugh latest tech. Ray tracing and the upscaler is the future and the radeons are obsolete
my guy rt isnt that important after 3 gens lol i never use it in games on my 4070 and most dont either. 2. upscalers: fsr competes with dlss and fsr 3.0 with FG. Amd is about to launch it. i hate FG btw the input lag is insane. and the price of the 7700xt is much lower esacilly in non us countries its 100€+ diffrence @@OmnianMIU
@@OmnianMIUı prefer the raw performance , i dont care dlss or rt
@@Bayram_Avsar wich is your gpu? Did you ever seen dlss with you eyes? Don't care abou video on yt
@@OmnianMIU bro look at the price rtx 4070 is 620€ and rx 7700xt is 460€ so amd won
7700 XT is not that bad, it should be $400 though
I (and many others) agree with your comment.
I would rather get the 6700 xt for $300...
@@whitezzpt Not a bad alternative but it would be wiser to spend a couple of bucks more for a 6750XT (I believe they can be found for about $330 new).
@@wingman-1977 it's the same thing 1/3 fps difference.
@@wingman-1977 6750xt gets like 6fps more than 6700xt..
so to sum this video up, your pretty much paying an extra $150 for ray tracing and an extra 10fps if that in "some" games? Cause these are pretty much the same card. 7700xt gotta be a no brainer.
You seem smart, explain why Nvidia has 85% of the market share?
@@pseudoscientist8010 Explain why the 7900xtx is outselling the 4090, so is the 7900xt.
@@PineyJustice Because they're way cheaper? What kind of question is that?
These cards are not even 4090 competitors.
@@religion_is_bullshit 7900xtx is outselling the 4080 too, the 4070 is the only 40 series card selling half well and it's being outsold by multiple AMD cards including the 6950xt and the 7900xt
@@pseudoscientist8010 you seem smart, tell me how much of that market share is from past generations? 10% of gamers don't have a 40 series card. Are you trolling?? Nvidia have completely fucked this gen up
but when u pair amd card with amd cpu, u will get same perfomance on 7700xt as 4070. i have both cards. i can tell you they are same in games, but not in benchmarks!
Controversial take from me, can you add one more test using FSR/DLSS for each card and show the difference? People spend $450 or $600 for the software as well. I know pure rasterization is important but the uplift from respective sharpening tech is just as important.
6800xt was my first amd card, after 15 years of nvidia bcs i don't need any rt in my games
AMD shouldn't be targeting the 4070. The card is a complete balanced. I wouldn't mind paying extra hundred for a 4070 tbh, and in real time scenarios both 7800xt and 4070 are priced the same in most other countries. Even we compare them with their real MSRP, 4070 is still much more preferable because of its way better tech, efficiency, reliability.
Edit: AMD should be targeting 4060 ti ,4070ti instead.
Si no la quieres para productividad no tienes razón para elegir a la 4070 , el RT todavía está súper verde tanto en Nvidia como en AMD , el dlss3 está bien pero el fsr3 está muy parejo y con el rendimiento extra que te da el 7800 xt no tienes necesidad de activar el rescalado
Y esta bien la 7800xt consume 63 wats más pero es $50 más barata
Similar performance but by october this card will cost 400$ 😎
Similar performance?? What about rt??
@@OmnianMIU Go in the nature for true ray tracing! LOOL And touch a tree! LOL
@@chovekbyou forgot segg. People need to have segg.
If it gets to 400 bucks by October that would be cool as I predict it might have a chance before 2023 ends(which I'm 50/50 on).
@@OmnianMIUgood working in 3-4 games - useless gimmick only for selling cards to their goofy fanboys
Good cards for rasterization. But in RT and the FSR are really shitty for radeons. RT and upscaler is the future of gaming. Put it in your minds!
Standard lighting is more than good enough, and, and for $150 more it's EMBARRASSING how poorly the 4070 performs
@@MrToastyYT i don't think so. The quality of illumination and shadows is not the point. The point of ray tracing is a real movement of this. In rasterization is not naturally. You have a radeon and said this. Buy an rtx and come beck to talk about rt and dlss. Imbarassing are gpu radeon because are useless in new techs and are inefficient!
Rt on 4060ti 🤣🤣🤣
@@notenjoying666 why did you laugh? Yes you can and have good amount of fps with dlss (that is bettere then native some times)
@@OmnianMIU you can have shit amount of fps with 4060ti cuz 7700xt is 15% faster in rt than 4060ti 😂
RX 7700 XT Released as a Competitor to 4060 Ti
RX 7800 XT = 4070
Nope 7800XT is competitor with rtx 4070 ti not only rtx 4070
7900xtx competitor of 4080
7900xt competititor of 4070ti
7800xt competitor of 4070
@@_Talyson
@@klubsybeartutorials8453 The cards Nvidia vs AMD competition is price and fps not only fps. You're wrong fellow, 7800XT in cyberpunk 2077, god of war, last of us and others games runs at same fps as rtx 4070 ti.
Bruuuuh... this card are useless in rt. Ray tracing is the future of gaming
@@OmnianMIU Nope, the 7800xt gets about the same performance with RT as the 4070 does.
Neither can do RT at a playable frame-rate so why show it? If you want RT it starts at 4070ti or 7900xt. Honest opinion is it is not worth the fps drop on any current gen GPU and will not be viable for another 2-3 generations. Buying a GPU for RT is a very bad way to select one. Rasterization is still king and what should be used. Also power usage should only be a factor if you have a PSU too small and cannot afford a new one or your stressing over paying an extra 5 dollars a year in power from usage. Both AMD and Nvidia GPU"s(I own both) give you the same experience and ar great. I also do not notice any difference between DLSS and FSR while gaming, only when watching reviews that zoom into the edges and put the screens side by side. And even then it is not a big difference and you will not be able to tell. People that claim one is better or worse has a agenda to why there saying that. Buy what gives you what you want do not listen to anybody else.
Have you tried FSR in alan wake 2..? Is it good to use it on that game..?
With respect to performance they are on par but just look at the Wattage consumption. Nvidia surely is more power efficient. Electricity bills on long run will overcome the price.
This depends on the owner and how long till they upgrade. They have a very small gap in power efficiency that it needs maybe a year or two to even out the price of the two wheb bought but again depends on your country. If you have an expensive electricity that 245 vs 200w doesn't mean much because they're both gonna up your bills crazily
@@pauloazuela8488 If someone wants Ray Tracing then go for RTX 4070 or else 7700xt is great. This gen cards have literally weird naming imo. The 4070 should have been called 4060Ti and the 7700xt should have been a 7700 because they perform in such a way if we see the past generations.
Does the 7700xt crash like the 7600?
the rx770xt is not a bad card, here in chile in particular the most basic model of rx7700xt the pulse is around 300 USD cheaper than basic no bells and whistles RTX 4070. and is around 40 USD more than the chepaest 16 gb RTX 4060ti if you manage to find one.
So not bad at all, since i do not care about raytracing max settings this card is perfect for me. i can move cyberpunk 2077 on tv at 4k 60Hz high settings no problem.
The RX 7800 xt is even better value!
Thank you very much for this video, I was very curious about such a comparison, but only on this channel I am sure that it is not a fake, but a real test.
If only 7700xt was 400 usd but we all know it is gonna drop bellow 400 usd soon enough
Yep, hopefully months from now(or before the year ends if possible).
The 4070 has incredible power efficiency, but the 7700XT is the winner here, because the price to performance is insane compared to Ngreedya
if your parents pay electricity cost then sure
@@andrewandrew2066when it comes to 7700xt , power consumption is not that different from 4070;)
@@dermoq on average throughout this video there's like a 50W difference between the two, trust me that adds up over time lol
@@CarolinaPride95 who cares about power consumption if you're going to build a mid range pc anyway lmao
240W versus 190W, it's a big difference. Electricity costs are more expensive year after year.
no... if you use it daily for 2 hours for a hole year everyday (it will prop be less in most cases) you pay 12€ more and thats with the most expensive contract in Germany where electricy is insanely expensive. it doesnt matter. the kicked out heat into the room is something else doe
Exactly. In Mother Russia 1 kwh - 0,066 eurocents (day peak price).
В большинстве игр разницы была в 10% в пользу 4070, максиум был в 20%, были и игры с минимальной разницей, считай что это погрешность, . В целом, при таком раскладе 7700xt отличная видеокарта, если ты не стример и не занимаешь работой где нужна видеокарта. Они оба стоят своих денег. Всё же, 4070 и 4090 единственные кто стоят своих денег в 40 линейки rtx, думаю через год перейду на 4070, если цена ещё упадет будет шикарно
It seems this is the most honest bench marks on both the 4070 and 7700xt
450€ vs 600€, safe to say the 450€ one is doing an amazing job
Do i change my 3070 for the 7700xt, or stay with my gpu ?
7700xt good u should try this.
I have a RX7700 and it overclocks like a dream. From 2600mhz to 3100mhz
The 7700xt holds up very very well here in comparison! I would consider the 7700xt overall and save the $150. 🥰🤤👍
Yes just RT is abit weak for 1440p. But switch to 1080p at RT would still be acceptable for the price advantage.
I just bought a used 6800 for $300 but maybe I should have got a 7700xt instead🤔
@@danielstarr8957 Nope.... you got a good deal. That's $150 less than the 7700xt for the same performance.
@@m8x425 I guess I'm just worried if the 6000 series will get the new FSR that is coming out and how much uplift that will provide.
@@m8x425you really see same performance? 😂
It’s shame that AMD is not in priority to improve RT performance with a new generation of cards, or they are simply unable to do so with financing or topology implementation if otherwise. They probably bet on fsr 3, so maybe indeed it will be great in ray tracing performance at some point and want consumers to believe in that 😅
well its hard to compete against the company introducing it and is already one gen further...if amd could leapfrog that they would but it aint possible
RT is shit for today and in the near future. The technology is still working terribly and does not even come close to making realistic behavior of light and reflections. It's still mostly fake reflections and light. And no video card is capable of pulling even an existing RT without using dlss or fsr. Even 4090. And these technologies of upscaling and frame generation only spoil and blur the picture and do not give a good image in native resolution. I'm already silent about ghosting effects and artifacts.
It's much better to have a clean performance at the moment. Maybe in a few years, when these technologies reach good quality, they will make sense. But not now.
@@Asivis if you ever played cyberpunk with and without rt you wouldnt open your mouth tbh. Crazy diffrence and a 4090 and 4080 can handle it. At 4k dlss quality looks basiclly like native... so no. FG is really shit doe
@@theplayerofus319 Maybe for you in 4k dlss for quality and looks like native, but not for me. Everyone has a different perception. I can see the blurring of the picture even on 4k. Maybe it's okay for you, but not for me. And yes, reflections and light in cyberpunk get better when RT is turned on, but these are still not real reflections from real life. And reducing the quality of the picture for the sake of slightly better reflections is unacceptable to me.
In any case, everyone chooses what suits him best.
@@Asivis just watch Hardware unboxed Video on dlss and fsr. Maybe you get that out of your head. You couldnt Spot the diffrence if you wouldnt know it was on or off. All in your head really. They tested it and in most games it was as native, exept you sit 1 inch infront of your 55 TV 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here in Portugal the RX7700XT is 450 euros, while the RTX4070 is 600 euroish.
Total win for team RED👏
So if you wants to build a computer, you chooses RX for better value? I am so clueless and not into specs but I´m ready to spend big on a gaming computer. For me 10 FPS drop is nothing.
In my country with the average salary of $500 per month and minimum is $200 per month, 4070 cost $668, and 7700XT $500 .... so for you that live in the US don't critics to much for your GPU price there...compare to the minimum salary there, it would be our 1 year salary for 1 month in USA🙂 (My country is Indonesia) please be grateful US people hahah
If the 4070 costed about 500$ , it would be a great choice ....
Yeah it cost $549.00 at Newegg
@@harmonbrentdm but in my country it costs about 700$ still.
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in my country rx 7700 xt cost 3.099, and 4070 4.090.
NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE RX 7700XT IS BETTER❤
Glad to see your channel back😀
ryzen 5 5600x still a good cpu for the rx 7700xt?
yes
Here in the Nordic countries there is a difference of about 130 euros between the cards in price. Do the math.
Lol $600 for the 4070 my asscrack. When I got mine when it came out here in the US it was like $800, the 4080 is still like $1,200 or more, and the 4090 is still $2,000 to $3,000. The only cards that you can get for MSRP can be bought on AMD's website, like idk why everyone isn't using the RX 7600. The thing is $269 brand new, and they go on sale at least once every month or so.
I was able to get one from AMD directly for $200, I think it was like $218 total after taxes and fees. When you consider that the RX 7600 is better than the 4060 in many games, (Don't come here and try to spout about cherry picked benchmarks using Nvidia Optimized or PlayStation ports, games like Assassin's Creed, The Last of Us, Spiderman, etc)
I hate that there's such a huge amount of people who claim to be enthusiasts, but still carry around the myth that AMD is some horrible company or that their drivers are horrible, or whatever. But it is funny that when you ask the majority of people who use AMD cards, they all say they have 0 problems with them. Then every so often someone will show up and say they have some AMD card and its horrible and whatever, but then every time I have looked into it, it turned out they were lying through their teeth, and they didn't even own a computer, much less a gaming PC using an RX 7000 series GPU, lololol.
I can't even tell you how many people I have caught lying about what they have. Caught a guy here on RUclips actually who said he had an RTX 4090 and everyone else is broke and how everyone else are all bums, BUT then when I went to his channel he was playing COD on a fuckin PlayStation, and the uploads were all decoded at max 720p. XD So I commented about how isn't funny someone with a 4090 couldn't even figure out how to upload videos at 1080p, and why they would be using a PS5 and a controller at all if they have a $5,000 gaming PC.
HE DELETED HIS RUclips ACCUNT hahaha.
The 7700xt could have been a good card but the 7800xt exists, despite it being a terrible next gen upgrade
4070 has been $550 for months now
Yes but again, benchmarking while walking on a straight line doesn't provide realistic results. Go into town, start a mission for a moment and it will be entirely different.
AMD: 30W higher power draw, higher frametimes, worse raytracing performance, 5-10% lower framerate.
Nvidia: 170€ more expensive in my country.
I'd say 170€ for those features is A LOT. So AMD still wins for me.
Aquí se nota claramente la diferencia en el consumo por el nodo de fabricación
Isso é falso. o rdna3 mede o consumo total da placa, enquanto que a rtx mede só o consumo do chip.
This is literally a no-brainer as far as value goes
Why does the 7700 XT pull so much power?
When the 14900k/ks come out can you make it in gaming verse the 7950x3d (specially in hogwats legacy I would like that game on there) thank yoki
I'd like to refer to the quote in film Moonstruck. "It costs money because it saves money." 4070 gets my vote.
In the UK "Overclocker UK" the average price of the 4070 "low to high" is £685, the average price of the 7700XT "again "low to high" is £475 and yes the RT in the 4070 is better but it aint worth the hit. Sensible buyers will always use pure rastor as their starting point.
RT is fine and all, but to me its not worth the hit on performance(even on Nvidia), not the mention that games with RT features are usually poorly implemented and the good ones you can count on 1 hand.
I would give it another 5 years until RT is really worth considering when buying a GPU.
DLSS is good tho, but i hate it because devs will cheap out on optimization because of it.
Can my ryzen 7 3800 handle 7700xt?
AMD Cards is not that efficient anymore when it comes to energy.
Good call for Nvidia for improving their cards and having a more power efficient cards.
This man doesnt like Warzone
400$ card vs 550$ card 😂
Keep in Mind the Radeon costs 400 and the 4070 is over 550 ! The better deal is the Radeon, even if the 4070 is faster in some scenarios!
Got all the raw power working but you have everything that makes the 4070 better turned off. Turn on everything then try....10-15% difference I bet. Then the overclocking....say no more
Today I bought a new 4070 for $480, while the rx 7700 xt costs $40 more. I really wanted to buy a video card from AMD, but I’m not going to pay more (in Russia)
4070 is absolutely worth it over a 7700xt for the same price, let alone cheaper
Is this 4k sir?
Yes 1440 is 4K
@@harmonbrentdm 1440p aint 4k tf r u waffling abt
Damn dude. I wish I would have looked at the RX 7700 XT before buying an RTX 4070 when it Launched. I literally paid like $800 for a card that trades blows with a fuckin $450 card. And I dont give a rats ass about RT or DLSS, RT barely makes a visual difference in MOST games, and DLSS when you have a 1440p monitor looks like absolute ass, plus there are literally like 10 other Super Sampling options out there, and frankly out of all of the ones I used, the best one so far is definitely Intel XeSS. It looks the best out of the Nvidia DLSS, AMD FSR, and the other Nvidia open source DLSS version they have. It gets a couple less frames, but the visual quality is a lot better. Still looks like shit compared to just running native 1080p or 1440p though. Everything looks blurry and shit.
Honestly, unless you have at minimum a 4k or 8k screen, Super Sampling is just stupid as fuck. And even then, you should never use it unless you are getting less than 55 FPS. Otherwise, it is literally the most useless "Feature" on the planet. I could see if you have a SUPER old GPU and cant run games at 720p so you decide to upscale it, but then you can not even use DLSS and you have to use AMD FSR 2.0 or 3.0 or use Intel XeSS.
So, DLSS as an argument to buy a new GPU is only used by idiots and people who have never even used the shit. Same with Ray Tracing, i8ts a bit better but honestly most games look better without it or you cant tell the difference.
In my country rx 7900xt is much more expensive than 4070ti, but in US it’s the same price, same with all amd gpus
AMD is smoked in ray tracing performance. Congrats on not turning off RT to make AMD look good like many do.
no one uses rt anyways. also, rt on the 4070 was terrible aswell (performancewise)
My country rx7700xt is 50usd cheaper what should i do
4000 series and rx 7000 series both are disappointment nothing much upgrade. Lesser render cores , especially Nvidia 3000 series has more memory bus and vram bandwith. A4000 AND A6000 prices increased by 40% becuz of AI .
AND RCOm sucks for AI .
NVIDIA giving you less memory bus and vram bandwith and render so even after CUDA crap it doesn't make. Sense.
Is 13500 best option for 7700xt
ゲームだけなら、Radeonは強い7700xtで4070と勝負しているが、amdにはまだ4070より安い7800XTがあるという事実
4070 and 4070s still to expensive today.
According to AMD the GPU to fight 4070 is the 7800 xt, not the 7700 xt. This one is to battle with 4060 TI
According to AMD, the 7800 consumes 263 watts. The RX 7700 is almost identical to the 4070 but cheaper. Don't listen to companies; look at the specs. Just like AMD, Nvidia could launch 4070s and say, 'Oh well, according to us, the new 4070 is made to compete with the 7650 XT.' It would make no sense.
@@engmecfleck Do you know there is a cost with electricity consumption?
I really want an all and PC but once you turn on the NVIDIA party tricks it's all over..
Can't believe this, this Rx card is amazing..it's only behind by a small margin, wish AMD sets it around 420 ..
Can u guys test the rx 7800xt vs 7900gre
So two cards can't operate games on 4K ??
I'd rather pay the extra for nvidia. Had only issues with amd cars and the software is terrible
ye 7700 xt should be at least like 90 dollars cheaper it should be around 330 or so.
7700xt is the same price as 4070 where I live, no reason to buy AMD in that case.
It needs to be $420 and 420euro in order to make sense outside of the RX 7800xt. For just $50 you are getting at least 17% more performance with the 7800xt
7700xt isnt bad for just gaming but the 4070 gives you more value once you factor in the features like DLSS, Ray Tracing and frame generation. Plus the software side like Geforce now and Nvidia Broadcast. Using Nvidia broadcast to remove the background wothout needing a greenscreen has been great for me. Pros and cons of both AMD and Nvidia.
now the 7700xt is £370 and the 4070 is obsolete and £500+
Nvidia is still rubbish for mid gamers that actually use a gpu for games. No need for fan boys to pipe up, you do not even get benefit from RT with this card and at £500 it should bring you a beer, give you a reach around and actually be able to utilise its' own gimmick.
Amd need fix the drivers
This is why the Germans buy Radeon cards in droves.
64 vs 63 fps is crazy 400vs 600 50% cheaper
People can correct me if im wrong but I think he is using a card model that has higher OC speed which uses more power. The power draw might be lower or the same as a 4070 if its a default stock card. That shows how good the 7700 XT really is, for it's price
6 fps for 150 dollars