@@turonlumpia when dota players refer to "spirit heroes" they mean earth, ember, storm and, more recently, void only. the og spirit brothers plus the new(ish) guy
Just pick rubick vs shadow shaman and you get insane range perma stun for 1 enemy hero. Playing as a shadow shaman vs rubick it feels like it is a waste to use shackles because rubick will just snipe it. Also it is super fun to throw people up on high-ground as rubick
agree with oracle and arc warden, while i would say earth spirit and visage is little easier. while until now i know that visage skill 3 applied to the ult summon so you need position yourself better to not get hit by enemy so your summon had full skill 3 protection.
I would put Meepo higher than Chen, both need micromanegement, but the risk for failling is a lot higher. Bad posioniting your creep as Chen means you have to wait for a spell cooldown, but bad posioniting you Meepo means death. It's just much more punishing, so much so that Meepo, even with all of its strengh, never was a viable in competitive.
if you use legacy keys, morhpling is considerably the hardest to play. his ultimate change morphling into that targeted enemy hero and all the spells will follow that enemy legacy keys!
I get the liking of Earth spirit when I play with my cousin on single draft as we are on low prio. He picked Earth Spirit which he does not know anything about it. And I think that time that hero is somewhat interesting if played correctly so I tried playing it few times and able to further understand his kit. And up until now he is my best pick for pos 4. But I have been planning to learn chen right now.
Haha this is true! I think I should have done top 10 because there are just SO many that you can include :o Maybe in the future I will look at it again :D
IMO , there are different types of difficulties, For example , I think playing arc , oracle , meepo and tinker for the 1st 20 times could be more difficult then playing invoker , rubic , LD however mastering invoker is much difficult , Meepo is imo the most difficult hero in dota not bcs of the microing , microing easily make it a very difficult hero , The strategic , timings and matchup knowledge of meepo is by far the most difficult part about the hero , mistakes with timing , roshan or high ground could easily lose you the game . you have few item choices for meepo , only very experienced meepo players can buy unorthodox builds like bkb , Shivas or any none stats item and literally make the difference between a win or a lose , I feel and I think when you think about ,U might feel the same , Meepo is the only hero where you literally punch your self after every lose with him , because U know where u did wrong or You know how much you sucked during a fight or you felt the bad execution .
One limitation of Rubick which is very situationally specific, against Elder Titan, Io, or Earth Spirit, stealing just one spell usually leaves you missing a critically important other skill, for example get the stomp but no astral spirit, getting overcharge but no tether, or Earth spirits Q or E and no stones to use with them (Rubick players, do you get Earth Stones if you steal his spells?). There are probably a couple other heroes where a single spell might be practically useless
@@ruepama7801 I'm not a Rubick player, I just play Elder, Io, Earth Spirit a lot so wondering if these heroes indirectly counter Rubick just because they have spells that aren't directly useful. What, agh's on Ruby gives you 2 slots? So in this case yeah you could steal twice really fast. We all think of him as stealing the big ult like Tide, Chrono, or Black hole.
the latest patch with meepo, makes it very easy to play now because you can alt-cast the poof and dont need to press poof 1 by 1, i have 0 experience playing meepo, then i used my new account and spam meepo for like 20 games, first 5 games im just trying to experiment with item builds, then after i watched some youtube guides about the key binds, my 2nd build is always aghanims scepter, youre basically unkillable if you build it because if the new skill which stacks the meepo and combine all stats into 1 making you super tanky and you can escape as a 1 unit, also the shard is very helpful. now im using meepo on ranked games on my main account, im trying to practice next is invoker, one more honorable mention is lycan with helm of the onverlord which you can take ancient camps
1 arc 2 visage/oracle 3 chen 4 storm 5 ember rubick, earth spirit and invoker(probably) are now my comfort heroes for my rank games. i dont think io is hard to master, you got storm spirit which forces you to learn one of the basic skills in game which is mana management, play storm is like being a walking am except that you are not walking and you burned your own after teleporting, the greater the distance the more mana will be used, also you cannot stop the lightning ball after casting it.
I find it super interesting how many different lists there are showing up haha. I think, it changes depending how people play. For example you say invoker is your comfort hero so it's not on the list. I actually find oracle / visage fairly okay as I've played a lot and didn't think to include them haha. It's interesting :p Also, ty for taking the time to write your comment!
arc is not that hard cmon... mastering arc warden is difficult but not as tough as mastering meepo or invoker once you know how to micro 2 units arc becomes really easy
@@philliam111I think the difficulty in playing Arc, comes from the fact your Double Copies your Items as well. So not only do you have to use the Double's Spells, which are also different to Regular Arc's by the time of me Typing this. But having your Items replicated as well. It's not like Meepo where the only things the Clones can get are Boots, or Lone Druid where most of the Core Items go to His Bear. Arc Warden allows you to Double the Duration of His Items effectively, like Glepnir or Bloodthorn.
Arc Warden isn't as hard as people think. It seems everyone forgets Morphling here. Call me crazy, but I would put Morph even above Meepo. Also, I would place Invoker lower on the list. I don't think it's a particularly hard hero to play; it's just muscle memory. Io is spot on, as well as Rubick. Chen is a hard hero to play, but so is Enchantress. Also, not to forget, I would place spirits somewhere on the list; every spirit is hard to master, especially Brewmaster. Honorable mentions include Oracle and Visage.
idk why but people been less talking about oracle as difficult hero when your 3 basic skill can target other 9 player include yourself with ultimate that can winning the game. like disple debuff/buff from teammate/enemy, magic immunity/disarm teammate/enemy, constant heal and burst damage teammate/enemy also deciding which 4 of your teammate need to be save or use it to yourself. so in big fight you have 30 different thing you can do with your ability. oracle gonna stay higher than invoker cause playing invoker is a bit easier to me.
Oracle, Shadow Demon, Spirit Heroes, IO, There are a lot of heroes that aren't bad to play okay with but hard to play to the best of their abilities. I see this with some heroes I've invested time in like. Visage, Rubrick, & some I'm just aware of like IO & Rubrick. Visage can really use his gargoyles to annoy & lockdown with small stuns one after another. Most people do well with Visage with just Move all, Attack Move, & Move just Visage commands, even some fairly high level players I see don't manage to do some of the micro that can be done with visage gargoyles. Same goes for any multi hero. Rubrick gets 3D chess like. You should feel comfortable with almost every hero, it's helpful ul to pick him up after a few completions of ALL HERO CHALLENGE. The nice thing with Rubrick is there is almost always 3+ characters you know well enough to steal from. Maximizing what you steal is good, not being overly dependent on a specific steal, not falling into diving to get steals just to die with the spell you've always wanted. You can be insane especially when spell steal cooldown gets low. Stealing, Terror Blades Metamorph, then CK multi then Chrono is pretty wild. Pump and dump the spell and steal again can lead to wild combo's you can preplan but can spam out. It's a bit lucky to get a lot of alts in a row but joining a team fight that is in progress from range can really open up some wild & Strong Spell Steals.
Before we attempt to play rubick, we need to play all the heroes at least once. All the heroes. Same as morphling. I think the reason why morphling is not here is because he don't easily die. And he don't heavily rely on his ultimate unlike rubick.
This is always a subjective and debatable topic which is why i wont and cant disagree on this list, however i belive that morphling and earth spirit are very underrated when it comes to how hard it is to master them... Their ceiling is so high that imo they are top 5 or 10 at least.
Invoker is atm played with legacy keys people remap so thats way easyer now and meepo hade mass puf added if you activate the right settings any one will puf all the meepos at the same time so thats easy as well
@@DoTACasuals well the thing when invoker was portet from dota1 to 2 he was buffed on the spell side but got that new 3 orb system to change spells. with legacy keys its 1 key 1 spell so when you remap the legacy keys that was placed all over the keyboard to keys right beside itch other hes about 50 % morr power full
I played DoTA 1 and Invoker in DoTA 1. He works exactly the same EXCEPT - Legacy keys meant each new spell you made had its own key rather than ''D / F'' (or whatever you set those 2 slots to). You still always had to make the spells with qwer (quas wex exort invoke) but you then had to know where those abilities sit. For example, If you made sunstrike (EEER) Sunstrike was on T if I remember correctly. So legacy actually makes Invoker much harder, not easier :) You are right that having the 2 keys close together makes it much easier! But the spell creation has always been the same with qwer!
In a span of 13 years of playing Dota, Heroes that are extremely hard for me. 😂😂😂 I never played Chen, Meepo, Visage, Invoker, Earth Spirit, Wisp (IO), Puck, Timbersaw Ember Spirit, Void Spirit, Tinker, Brewmaster, Brood Mother, Lone Druid Heroes that I have highest win rate with (Min 30 games): Zues 73% Sniper 71% (350+ games played) Lion 68% Faceless Void 65% Drow Ranger 64% Axe 62% Tiny 59% Slark 59% Riki 57% SF 54%
some heros are deceptively hard to master. mechanically probably not, but with how you win with them, no matter what, is what's difficult. at least with invoker, meepo, etc. there is a high pay off when mastered. while some other heroes are just best in the sidelines.
Tbh io and invoker not that hard, Playing Io only required you to have communication with teammates that all Io skill is still easy to use and only required small thinking like. While invoker you not gonna use 10 of that spell everytime usually you just gonna cycle 3 to 4 skill per skrim and that all, the problem is most invoker player ( newbie, noob, and mediocre one) are incapabilities to analyzing what they need on that certain scenario, path building on certain match up, and ofc number on abilities, like timing on tornado or how many proc cd on snap, slow on ice wall or even bonus ms on ghost walk. Even though Meepo is macro hero but he quite easy, yeah sure learning controls 5 heroes is hard at first but when you get hang of it, it's super clear. I think 5 hardest hero 1. Arc warden : 2 independent cd item and farming pattern for this hero is unreal, his skill in no where easy to use, no real way to escape ect. 2 earth spirit : by far the hardest hero because so many variables to work with the remnant building path and ability usage. 3. morph : shifting through strength and agi required a lot of thought into it, and ofc adaptive strike also need a good calc if want to use properly, and finally the ultimate having access to 9 other basics ability it's just bananas including learning certain interaction. And ofc chen and rubick
3 abilities on invoker requrie 12 inputs, You can ușe 2 invoked already and 1 prepared , but still every single one except cold snap îs a skillshot and requrie good timing , its not as hard as some people believe , but deffinetly far from easy , and If doing sumyia level combos îs very hard and absolutely required to play invoker late game
@@azzazhell7697 well yeah but again skill shoot never being like hard except landing sun strike and then it becomes more easy when you get agha, it's correct that most of invoker skill are skill shoot but most of it has quite big hit box so the timing is the only thing you need to learn.
Mechanically difficult to play versus difficult to win with - Io becomes hard. Sure the skillset and ideas are simple, but hero has a low win rate among tiers where teamwork is terrible. Take care of your Wisp everyone, he's only looking out for your whole team!
I have to disagree as a meepo main, arc and invoker user I also play chen. I wouldn't say chen is the hardest hero play he would be no.6 or 7. It's invoker and meepo hard to say which 2 is harder to play.
Video is very surface level which is ok but its attempting to rank something as varied and multi-faceted as difficulty in Dota. Like, Grubby recently got into Dota and he's an ex Warcraft 3 pro. He can micro like a beast and plays Chen and Meepo better than most people ever will. On the other hand he still struggles with map awareness and farm efficiency. It's more than me disagreeing with his list, it's more about me disagreeing with the entire premise of the video.
Yeah, I totally see where you are coming from and I actually do agree. I think I will plan to re cover the topic in the future but making a much more in depth one with so few subs (I had like 3 subs at the time lol) would have likely put a LOT of people off watching :) But thank you! your comment has a ton of great points.
@@DoTACasuals brewmaster, I can hardly read the patchnotes each time and to control all the spirits its apawning on ult is IMO really tricky, alot of spells on alot of units ;)
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I think the spirit heroes should get at least an honorable mention. Being able to play any spirit hero near its limit is insanely difficult.
Agree. Their a bit diffucult also..
Like. Rank A difficulty
...
Invo
Meepo
Tinker
Rank S
Hmmm spirit breaker and vengeful spirit is super easy tho... owh
@@turonlumpia when dota players refer to "spirit heroes" they mean earth, ember, storm and, more recently, void only. the og spirit brothers plus the new(ish) guy
As a spirit player i think earth spirit should replace with rubick, its hard as fuck to ply that hero
I agree, vengeful spirit is hard
Meepo and Chen are the main reason why when you are making a new account, the wizard will ask you (i've played rts game before)
5. Arc Warden
4. Earth Spirit
3. Invoker
2. Meepo
1. Chen
Honorable mention
Oracle, Morphling, Visage, Io, Lone Druid
Absolutely fair tbh lol
Nah.arc warden isnt that hard,even ld is slightly harder than meepo, if u put morph it fair then
Chen is not a MOBA Hero
he is RTS hero
Just pick rubick vs shadow shaman and you get insane range perma stun for 1 enemy hero. Playing as a shadow shaman vs rubick it feels like it is a waste to use shackles because rubick will just snipe it. Also it is super fun to throw people up on high-ground as rubick
true, rubick vs shadow shaman is a pain in the ass haha.
gotta say I think earth spirit is harder than Io, probably also arc warden and visage, even oracle too tbh.
agree with oracle and arc warden, while i would say earth spirit and visage is little easier. while until now i know that visage skill 3 applied to the ult summon so you need position yourself better to not get hit by enemy so your summon had full skill 3 protection.
I would put Meepo higher than Chen, both need micromanegement, but the risk for failling is a lot higher.
Bad posioniting your creep as Chen means you have to wait for a spell cooldown, but bad posioniting you Meepo means death. It's just much more punishing, so much so that Meepo, even with all of its strengh, never was a viable in competitive.
if you use legacy keys, morhpling is considerably the hardest to play. his ultimate change morphling into that targeted enemy hero and all the spells will follow that enemy legacy keys!
I get the liking of Earth spirit when I play with my cousin on single draft as we are on low prio. He picked Earth Spirit which he does not know anything about it. And I think that time that hero is somewhat interesting if played correctly so I tried playing it few times and able to further understand his kit. And up until now he is my best pick for pos 4. But I have been planning to learn chen right now.
Very nice!
Try playing ES at pos 2 :D
@@dolcik271 ES has been a thing now in #2 but I really don't have the capability to play mid with ES.
@@ahahaahah3469 it was quite interesting experience for me, so I'm going to learn and play mid es more
For me :
1 - earth spirit
2 - Meepo
3 - invoker
4 - prew
5 - morphling
Fair enough!
Who the hell is Prew?
@@mientobean3284 yeah sorry brewmaster
@@shadder8431 gotcha. Yeah he’s definitely up there in difficulty for me as well. I thought you were trying to say Pango for a second.
Morph dude,playing a good morph is crazy hard man
Haha this is true!
I think I should have done top 10 because there are just SO many that you can include :o
Maybe in the future I will look at it again :D
IMO , there are different types of difficulties, For example , I think playing arc , oracle , meepo and tinker for the 1st 20 times could be more difficult then playing invoker , rubic , LD however mastering invoker is much difficult , Meepo is imo the most difficult hero in dota not bcs of the microing , microing easily make it a very difficult hero , The strategic , timings and matchup knowledge of meepo is by far the most difficult part about the hero , mistakes with timing , roshan or high ground could easily lose you the game . you have few item choices for meepo , only very experienced meepo players can buy unorthodox builds like bkb , Shivas or any none stats item and literally make the difference between a win or a lose , I feel and I think when you think about ,U might feel the same , Meepo is the only hero where you literally punch your self after every lose with him , because U know where u did wrong or You know how much you sucked during a fight or you felt the bad execution .
But trues in a lot of this comment.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! :)
What does IMO mean?
@@jupiterzeus2235 In my opinion
One limitation of Rubick which is very situationally specific, against Elder Titan, Io, or Earth Spirit, stealing just one spell usually leaves you missing a critically important other skill, for example get the stomp but no astral spirit, getting overcharge but no tether, or Earth spirits Q or E and no stones to use with them (Rubick players, do you get Earth Stones if you steal his spells?). There are probably a couple other heroes where a single spell might be practically useless
yeah I stole attribute shift once and is the worst
@@c4n0not so to be honest, jus shift to strength and you havw a full extra 1000-1500 hp. the health remains wven after stealing another skill
Buy aghs bro
@@ruepama7801 I'm not a Rubick player, I just play Elder, Io, Earth Spirit a lot so wondering if these heroes indirectly counter Rubick just because they have spells that aren't directly useful. What, agh's on Ruby gives you 2 slots? So in this case yeah you could steal twice really fast. We all think of him as stealing the big ult like Tide, Chrono, or Black hole.
10yrs playing dota 2 and an additional 4 years of dota 1
Earth spirit is the one hero I can't seem to facking play
hahaha FAIR. I am about the same in dota 1, and maybe 5 of dota 2 and I CANT play pudge to save my life lmao.
Es in dota 2 is easier to play compared to es in dota 1. I cant even grasp how to play that hero back then 🤣
the latest patch with meepo, makes it very easy to play now because you can alt-cast the poof and dont need to press poof 1 by 1, i have 0 experience playing meepo, then i used my new account and spam meepo for like 20 games, first 5 games im just trying to experiment with item builds, then after i watched some youtube guides about the key binds, my 2nd build is always aghanims scepter, youre basically unkillable if you build it because if the new skill which stacks the meepo and combine all stats into 1 making you super tanky and you can escape as a 1 unit, also the shard is very helpful. now im using meepo on ranked games on my main account, im trying to practice next is invoker, one more honorable mention is lycan with helm of the onverlord which you can take ancient camps
1 arc
2 visage/oracle
3 chen
4 storm
5 ember
rubick, earth spirit and invoker(probably) are now my comfort heroes for my rank games. i dont think io is hard to master, you got storm spirit which forces you to learn one of the basic skills in game which is mana management, play storm is like being a walking am except that you are not walking and you burned your own after teleporting, the greater the distance the more mana will be used, also you cannot stop the lightning ball after casting it.
I find it super interesting how many different lists there are showing up haha.
I think, it changes depending how people play. For example you say invoker is your comfort hero so it's not on the list.
I actually find oracle / visage fairly okay as I've played a lot and didn't think to include them haha.
It's interesting :p
Also, ty for taking the time to write your comment!
Storm is easy just watch replays and it’s copy paste
arc is not that hard cmon... mastering arc warden is difficult but not as tough as mastering meepo or invoker once you know how to micro 2 units arc becomes really easy
@@philliam111I think the difficulty in playing Arc, comes from the fact your Double Copies your Items as well. So not only do you have to use the Double's Spells, which are also different to Regular Arc's by the time of me Typing this. But having your Items replicated as well.
It's not like Meepo where the only things the Clones can get are Boots, or Lone Druid where most of the Core Items go to His Bear. Arc Warden allows you to Double the Duration of His Items effectively, like Glepnir or Bloodthorn.
@@eagleye2893 that's true.. also I'd say survival as ark early on is rough at least invoker has many outs
Arc Warden isn't as hard as people think. It seems everyone forgets Morphling here. Call me crazy, but I would put Morph even above Meepo. Also, I would place Invoker lower on the list. I don't think it's a particularly hard hero to play; it's just muscle memory. Io is spot on, as well as Rubick. Chen is a hard hero to play, but so is Enchantress. Also, not to forget, I would place spirits somewhere on the list; every spirit is hard to master, especially Brewmaster. Honorable mentions include Oracle and Visage.
idk why but people been less talking about oracle as difficult hero when your 3 basic skill can target other 9 player include yourself with ultimate that can winning the game. like disple debuff/buff from teammate/enemy, magic immunity/disarm teammate/enemy, constant heal and burst damage teammate/enemy also deciding which 4 of your teammate need to be save or use it to yourself. so in big fight you have 30 different thing you can do with your ability. oracle gonna stay higher than invoker cause playing invoker is a bit easier to me.
Oracle, Shadow Demon, Spirit Heroes, IO, There are a lot of heroes that aren't bad to play okay with but hard to play to the best of their abilities. I see this with some heroes I've invested time in like. Visage, Rubrick, & some I'm just aware of like IO & Rubrick. Visage can really use his gargoyles to annoy & lockdown with small stuns one after another. Most people do well with Visage with just Move all, Attack Move, & Move just Visage commands, even some fairly high level players I see don't manage to do some of the micro that can be done with visage gargoyles. Same goes for any multi hero. Rubrick gets 3D chess like. You should feel comfortable with almost every hero, it's helpful ul to pick him up after a few completions of ALL HERO CHALLENGE. The nice thing with Rubrick is there is almost always 3+ characters you know well enough to steal from. Maximizing what you steal is good, not being overly dependent on a specific steal, not falling into diving to get steals just to die with the spell you've always wanted. You can be insane especially when spell steal cooldown gets low. Stealing, Terror Blades Metamorph, then CK multi then Chrono is pretty wild. Pump and dump the spell and steal again can lead to wild combo's you can preplan but can spam out. It's a bit lucky to get a lot of alts in a row but joining a team fight that is in progress from range can really open up some wild & Strong Spell Steals.
Arc warden?
Visage,Earth Spirit,Meepo,Chen
Ember spirit should prob be honerable mention.
A few people have said this!
What do you think your top 5 would have been?
For me, heroes needs microing. Meep, chen, etc
1)bristleback
2) dragon knight
3)ogre magi
4)jakiro
5)meepo
Bristle? 😂really? He's the easiest. Spam q and w.
@@Lastofhiskind-00 was a joke bro. All izi heroes apart from meeps
i was expecting arc warden on first place
Tbh Arc Warden should probably have been in there somewhere! There are just so many to pick only 5 haha.
What would your top 5 have been?
my personal top 5
1. meepo
2. tinker
3. techies
4. invoker
5. chen
good video btw io,rubic and chen are in my top 5 favorite heroes
same include invoker and oracle.
Before we attempt to play rubick, we need to play all the heroes at least once. All the heroes. Same as morphling. I think the reason why morphling is not here is because he don't easily die. And he don't heavily rely on his ultimate unlike rubick.
This is always a subjective and debatable topic which is why i wont and cant disagree on this list, however i belive that morphling and earth spirit are very underrated when it comes to how hard it is to master them... Their ceiling is so high that imo they are top 5 or 10 at least.
You might be the most respectable person on the Internet haha. But yeah I agree with you tbh. I very likely should have made the list a little bigger.
Where's my Earth Spirit sheeesh
:( number 6? 😅
I would swap rubick with earth spirit tbh.
Invoker is atm played with legacy keys people remap so thats way easyer now and meepo hade mass puf added if you activate the right settings any one will puf all the meepos at the same time so thats easy as well
Invoker is still the same no?
And wow really? There's a mass poof?
That's interesting.. didn't realise that
@@DoTACasuals well the thing when invoker was portet from dota1 to 2 he was buffed on the spell side but got that new 3 orb system to change spells.
with legacy keys its 1 key 1 spell so when you remap the legacy keys that was placed all over the keyboard to keys right beside itch other hes about 50 % morr power full
I played DoTA 1 and Invoker in DoTA 1. He works exactly the same EXCEPT - Legacy keys meant each new spell you made had its own key rather than ''D / F'' (or whatever you set those 2 slots to).
You still always had to make the spells with qwer (quas wex exort invoke) but you then had to know where those abilities sit. For example, If you made sunstrike (EEER) Sunstrike was on T if I remember correctly.
So legacy actually makes Invoker much harder, not easier :)
You are right that having the 2 keys close together makes it much easier!
But the spell creation has always been the same with qwer!
I would swap Rubick with... idk... Lone Druid or Earth Spirit or Visage and it would be great.
1:50 I expected Meepo at No. 1. So let me guess the No. 1.
Chen?
Edit:
2:17 Yes, I guessed it right.
In a span of 13 years of playing Dota, Heroes that are extremely hard for me. 😂😂😂
I never played
Chen, Meepo, Visage, Invoker, Earth Spirit, Wisp (IO), Puck, Timbersaw
Ember Spirit, Void Spirit, Tinker, Brewmaster, Brood Mother, Lone Druid
Heroes that I have highest win rate with (Min 30 games):
Zues 73%
Sniper 71% (350+ games played)
Lion 68%
Faceless Void 65%
Drow Ranger 64%
Axe 62%
Tiny 59%
Slark 59%
Riki 57%
SF 54%
Randomly found this video. First thought "narrator's voice sounds like init yeah youtuber". Turns out yes.
I would say :
1 : morph
2 : invoker
3 : meepo
4 : arc
5 : Rubick
Sounds good!
I was debating arc lol
some heros are deceptively hard to master. mechanically probably not, but with how you win with them, no matter what, is what's difficult. at least with invoker, meepo, etc. there is a high pay off when mastered. while some other heroes are just best in the sidelines.
Yeah I agree :)
Morph, terrorblade and troll warlord as carry are difficult to win abd needs a lot of awareness for the win
Morph is the Hardest hero to play.
Informative video keep it up u get my like
Thanks!
Tbh io and invoker not that hard,
Playing Io only required you to have communication with teammates that all Io skill is still easy to use and only required small thinking like.
While invoker you not gonna use 10 of that spell everytime usually you just gonna cycle 3 to 4 skill per skrim and that all, the problem is most invoker player ( newbie, noob, and mediocre one) are incapabilities to analyzing what they need on that certain scenario, path building on certain match up, and ofc number on abilities, like timing on tornado or how many proc cd on snap, slow on ice wall or even bonus ms on ghost walk.
Even though Meepo is macro hero but he quite easy, yeah sure learning controls 5 heroes is hard at first but when you get hang of it, it's super clear.
I think 5 hardest hero
1. Arc warden : 2 independent cd item and farming pattern for this hero is unreal, his skill in no where easy to use, no real way to escape ect.
2 earth spirit : by far the hardest hero because so many variables to work with the remnant building path and ability usage.
3. morph : shifting through strength and agi required a lot of thought into it, and ofc adaptive strike also need a good calc if want to use properly, and finally the ultimate having access to 9 other basics ability it's just bananas including learning certain interaction.
And ofc chen and rubick
3 abilities on invoker requrie 12 inputs, You can ușe 2 invoked already and 1 prepared , but still every single one except cold snap îs a skillshot and requrie good timing , its not as hard as some people believe , but deffinetly far from easy , and If doing sumyia level combos îs very hard and absolutely required to play invoker late game
But yeah arc îs deffinetly harder then spamming net and poofing 3 meepos
@@azzazhell7697 well yeah but again skill shoot never being like hard except landing sun strike and then it becomes more easy when you get agha, it's correct that most of invoker skill are skill shoot but most of it has quite big hit box so the timing is the only thing you need to learn.
Mechanically difficult to play versus difficult to win with - Io becomes hard. Sure the skillset and ideas are simple, but hero has a low win rate among tiers where teamwork is terrible. Take care of your Wisp everyone, he's only looking out for your whole team!
damn not even mentioning lone druid
yeahh chen is the hardest and puppey master of this hero :)
His Chen is epic, love to see it haha
Morphling? Almost the same as Rubick, but even more buttons and should press everything even faster
Or me it's the heroes tgat rely on comms like Grimms and Bane... Got like 0-7 on both 😢
1- Earth Spirit
2- Meepo
3- Chen
4- IO
5- Invoker
I considered Earth Spirit tbh
Why is morphling never on this list?
As a AD player Rubick is fun
I would put Earth Spirit instead of Rubick, that's all
Arc warden not here seems like disrespect to me.
JK but you should add arc warden next time :D
Haha yeah you are right it's deffo up there. I should have done 10 :p
Meepo
Chen
Arc
Visage
Earth spirit
I have 799 games with chen 523 win 276 lose, when you take strongs neutral auras the game is easy
Yeahh I've always said a good chen is pretty much GG lol.
Meepo and Chen just aren't that difficult. Maybe Meepo could be 4 or 5. Morph #1 for sure.
Oooh you think?
What would you put as 2 and 3 our of curiosity?
I find it interesting, because obviously for many people it would be different haha
Major cap.
Earth Spirit and ember are hard too
Absolutely :) haha it was hard to pick only 5
Nice vid bro , keeep it ypp I
Appreciate it!
for me sniper is the hardest..everytime i pick him everyone jumps on me..
haha the focus is real >.<
I buy a blink dagger every game the enemy has a sniper just so I can blink past their team and kill sniper :p
Dota 1 invo with legacy keys is no joke
Morphling is the hardest
Fair enough! lol
Couldn't agree more....but old morph was super ez... Before they actually like put 2 keys for morphing...
Io is too easy to play
Rubick also easy to play if your not a player who is afraid to click buttons..
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Invo
Tinker
Meepo
Were the hardest for me
Funny as sp player. I find Earth spirit and chen, even visage are easy to play.. 1 hero I never can win while using it is naga siren lol
I have to disagree as a meepo main, arc and invoker user I also play chen. I wouldn't say chen is the hardest hero play he would be no.6 or 7. It's invoker and meepo hard to say which 2 is harder to play.
i really think earth spirit deserves a shoutout
I would suggest Oracle
You would be very right probably haha many others also said this too!
Visage is harder than Io to master.
#Meepo-#voker-#Dark Seer for me
Oooh dark seer, used to love that hero haha
Wheres tinker and lone druid
You ever see a noob NP? It’s literally worse than an npc
Yeah im that NP quite often ;p hahaha
no tinker?
Yeah top 5 was a bit of a hard one haha I should have done 10 + mentions probably. Next time!
I am a earth spirit user ... Still hard 😭
Defo is a hard hero lol
Where is bristleback? Kappa
I'd say Visage is hardest
Where is visage ? It’s meepo tier hero
Trueee he's also very high skill. So hard to pick just 5 haha
i like chen but pro player keep abusing chen power making valve nerf chen so much i cant barely use him to win a game.
oh sobase on comments chen is harder than meepo, my brother is chen main and I ask him who's the most difficult hero and he said meepo 🤣🤣 .
One and only pudge
If you saw me play pudge, you would want to ban me from playing DoTA. Just being honest XD
(am terrible)
Video is very surface level which is ok but its attempting to rank something as varied and multi-faceted as difficulty in Dota. Like, Grubby recently got into Dota and he's an ex Warcraft 3 pro. He can micro like a beast and plays Chen and Meepo better than most people ever will. On the other hand he still struggles with map awareness and farm efficiency. It's more than me disagreeing with his list, it's more about me disagreeing with the entire premise of the video.
Yeah, I totally see where you are coming from and I actually do agree. I think I will plan to re cover the topic in the future but making a much more in depth one with so few subs (I had like 3 subs at the time lol) would have likely put a LOT of people off watching :)
But thank you! your comment has a ton of great points.
U missed morphling
rubik is not hard i think brewmaster is harder to use than ribic
THE TITLE SAYS DOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THIS IS NOT DOTA!
THE TITLE SAYS DOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS NOT DOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is definitely DoTA :/
Panda??
which one? :o
@@DoTACasuals brewmaster, I can hardly read the patchnotes each time and to control all the spirits its apawning on ult is IMO really tricky, alot of spells on alot of units ;)
Haha yeah that's fair enough, his ult is definitely confusing.
5-6-8 with meepo is disappointing
Is just a random player from ''watch now'' section lol. Everyone has stomping games and off games though :)
"morph is hard to play" lmao that hero suck not hard
People find different heroes more difficult :)
Soz Mr Pro morphing lol
chen is not harder than meepo lol
morph
Someone else said moroh too actually!
Interesting lol I'd never have expected that