They fixed the Elitist Facet now. It no longer gives double spell amp. Now it only applies spell amp to targets you actually hit first. Overall feels like a huge nerf to the previous patch's export effect.
I agree that Invoker is coming back with his unique exort form.Last patch was really a headache for exort invo spammers and really get forced to play QW vessel invoker which is hard to comeback later in the game.But now it seems like Exort is a lot better now with his noticeable lifesteal.Eltist invoker.But His innate is still not dependable imo.getting exp is nice but other heroes get like 5 sec all map vision,instant-respawn so.
I cannot believe how accurate this build is to mine, i am an ancient gm invoker and had been losing far too many games. Last week i decided to change my build and get rid off midas and started going for agnostic exort invoker. Had a 100% lane win record since and 75% game win. I say accurate to mine because i too started going for orchid or mage slayer depending on the opponents, with late game being aghs and refresh/oct depending on whether i have a stun locks for cata if i decide refresher and oct if the opponents are tanky and i need to be cycling through my spells more than once. The only thing I might be doing differently is still going for boots of travel instead of treads ( i tried treads too but BOTs let you split push/gank/farm and has a higher presence output than the treads) There was only this 1 game that i dominated mid so hard that i decided to go for midas as a selfish act to experiment and by the mid game the sf closed in on my level so midas is absolutely not worth it anymore.
I've been doing very much similar things, haven't tried mage slayer though. I've spent the last few games grabbing midas after treads (if I'm farming well) and then going back for orchid if I feel I need it still. Also depending if I think we are going late or not. As for travels I used to be 100% set on them and I hated moving to treads but getting a 4min treads + 2 stat items (bracers null wraith whatever you need) makes stomping lane so much easier for sure. Though you are slow as all hell now haha god damn we slower than CM 😂
Invoker feels decent, yes, I too have been playing the agnostic mainly. Did not know about the double spell amp. Most lanes with agnostic felt good, but I usually went Midas and that might have been a mistake as I lost quite a few games. My problems were mainly, that a) enemies are picking these heroes that can easily get on top of you and kill you now, like DK and CK. Find it so hard to play against that, might have been easier skipping the midas. Thing is, DK also destroyed me in lane, even with agnostic facet, that hero is absolutely op now...any Tipps on how to play that match up?
The double spell amp got taken away unfortunately :/ As for dk, honestly it's rough but I'd probably go quas wex and just make sure he has no mana to spam his dragon breath on you. Csing against dk isn't the most fun time. Otherwise if you go exort go for an urn and treads maybe :) vessel is nice against him eventually. I think you just sometimes have to accept that your tower is doomed depending on the heroes you are against
last patch I had hard time in early stage cz of CD, the cd is longer and require wex to shorten it, I can do up to 3 spell but have to sacrifice the quas like I only have 1 forge, so its harder to laning. On late game it goes well plus I love octarine on invo, and all my cd is very good. and now patch facet is like back to the good of old invo/ the good of new invo, so it will always good.
The innate is not " just a little bit of xp", it makes a lot of sense for how invoker plays. XP is very important for him, because of how the orbs work. Also makes his early laning better since he's pretty bad level 1 and you wanna reach level 2 asap. I do wish it was more like 25% xp, that'd be cool but im sure there's a reason why its only 15.
Isn't 15% xp per creep, like 25 denies for 1 wave of creeps xp? Idk, I think it absolutely needs increasing if it is to have really any value to be considered.
@@DoTACasuals Yeah for sure it isn't amazing but I think it really fits invo's gameplan. You want to be ahead in xp from your opponent in mid. I almost feel like you want to go Quas to cold snap deny the first ranged creep. Another thing to consider is that you can keep denying creeps throughout the game to keep getting xp. Definitely think that it should be mo,re like 25% or something though.
been playing them as a pos 4 and gosh they are fun x33 both facets feel super nice when harassing with right clicks, tho personally feel like elitist works better, the bits of healing during the lane and the extra speed later on is super useful
Invoker is my favorite hero so ty for your video ^^ I only played 2 matches this patch both with Agnostic and the lane felt really good. I also do a similiar item build, Orchid first and then Force into pike or blink. But I really like the fast pike, people underestimate the rightclick damage of Invoker. Also with this lane dominating and "faster active" playstyle I like to go early boots of traver after Orchid - to gank more often. What do you think about that - or do you always get Treads? oh also I buy 1 wraithband, 1 bracer ^^
It honestly depends which boots I go, on the game. Sometimes I'll get travels, if I think I'm gonna need to be across a lot of lanes. But most I'll just get treads before orchid since it helps you win lane and farm for the orchid :) the stats help a ton!
@@DoTACasuals The devs are super braindead. Thank god they didnt design the game from scratch, without the mod existing, or a hero like invoker would have never existed and wed have anti-thematic heroes like primal fury, snapfire, and muerta lmao
@@KING_NIMROD Elitist was giving bonus spell amplification while E orbs were active in addition to the spell amp debuff on attacks. It was a bug that was left over from the previous iteration of Invoker that purposefully gave that bonus.
Invoker is the only hero that the bigesst update nade nothung to him but weaknesses like the 15@doea something its nice until min 8 make no difrent after the keepa going and u will not waste your time try to hit denies instead of kill something else
They fixed the Elitist Facet now. It no longer gives double spell amp. Now it only applies spell amp to targets you actually hit first. Overall feels like a huge nerf to the previous patch's export effect.
Its so fkin dumb valv holy shit. It was only one thing saving elitist facet and now its ultimately shiitt
yeah i changed my mind btw elitist is preferable to me
I feel like elitist is also strong in lane because of the lifesteal, makes you very hard to kill
I agree that Invoker is coming back with his unique exort form.Last patch was really a headache for exort invo spammers and really get forced to play QW vessel invoker which is hard to comeback later in the game.But now it seems like Exort is a lot better now with his noticeable lifesteal.Eltist invoker.But His innate is still not dependable imo.getting exp is nice but other heroes get like 5 sec all map vision,instant-respawn so.
I cannot believe how accurate this build is to mine, i am an ancient gm invoker and had been losing far too many games. Last week i decided to change my build and get rid off midas and started going for agnostic exort invoker. Had a 100% lane win record since and 75% game win.
I say accurate to mine because i too started going for orchid or mage slayer depending on the opponents, with late game being aghs and refresh/oct depending on whether i have a stun locks for cata if i decide refresher and oct if the opponents are tanky and i need to be cycling through my spells more than once. The only thing I might be doing differently is still going for boots of travel instead of treads ( i tried treads too but BOTs let you split push/gank/farm and has a higher presence output than the treads) There was only this 1 game that i dominated mid so hard that i decided to go for midas as a selfish act to experiment and by the mid game the sf closed in on my level so midas is absolutely not worth it anymore.
I've been doing very much similar things, haven't tried mage slayer though.
I've spent the last few games grabbing midas after treads (if I'm farming well) and then going back for orchid if I feel I need it still. Also depending if I think we are going late or not.
As for travels I used to be 100% set on them and I hated moving to treads but getting a 4min treads + 2 stat items (bracers null wraith whatever you need) makes stomping lane so much easier for sure.
Though you are slow as all hell now haha god damn we slower than CM 😂
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Invoker feels decent, yes, I too have been playing the agnostic mainly. Did not know about the double spell amp. Most lanes with agnostic felt good, but I usually went Midas and that might have been a mistake as I lost quite a few games. My problems were mainly, that a) enemies are picking these heroes that can easily get on top of you and kill you now, like DK and CK. Find it so hard to play against that, might have been easier skipping the midas. Thing is, DK also destroyed me in lane, even with agnostic facet, that hero is absolutely op now...any Tipps on how to play that match up?
The double spell amp got taken away unfortunately :/
As for dk, honestly it's rough but I'd probably go quas wex and just make sure he has no mana to spam his dragon breath on you. Csing against dk isn't the most fun time.
Otherwise if you go exort go for an urn and treads maybe :) vessel is nice against him eventually.
I think you just sometimes have to accept that your tower is doomed depending on the heroes you are against
last patch I had hard time in early stage cz of CD, the cd is longer and require wex to shorten it, I can do up to 3 spell but have to sacrifice the quas like I only have 1 forge, so its harder to laning. On late game it goes well plus I love octarine on invo, and all my cd is very good. and now patch facet is like back to the good of old invo/ the good of new invo, so it will always good.
I love playing invoker but my fingers can't take getting arthritis. So I gave him up.
The innate is not " just a little bit of xp", it makes a lot of sense for how invoker plays. XP is very important for him, because of how the orbs work. Also makes his early laning better since he's pretty bad level 1 and you wanna reach level 2 asap. I do wish it was more like 25% xp, that'd be cool but im sure there's a reason why its only 15.
Isn't 15% xp per creep, like 25 denies for 1 wave of creeps xp?
Idk, I think it absolutely needs increasing if it is to have really any value to be considered.
@@DoTACasuals Yeah for sure it isn't amazing but I think it really fits invo's gameplan. You want to be ahead in xp from your opponent in mid. I almost feel like you want to go Quas to cold snap deny the first ranged creep. Another thing to consider is that you can keep denying creeps throughout the game to keep getting xp. Definitely think that it should be mo,re like 25% or something though.
been playing them as a pos 4 and gosh they are fun x33
both facets feel super nice when harassing with right clicks, tho personally feel like elitist works better, the bits of healing during the lane and the extra speed later on is super useful
Invoker is my favorite hero so ty for your video ^^ I only played 2 matches this patch both with Agnostic and the lane felt really good. I also do a similiar item build, Orchid first and then Force into pike or blink. But I really like the fast pike, people underestimate the rightclick damage of Invoker. Also with this lane dominating and "faster active" playstyle I like to go early boots of traver after Orchid - to gank more often. What do you think about that - or do you always get Treads? oh also I buy 1 wraithband, 1 bracer ^^
It honestly depends which boots I go, on the game. Sometimes I'll get travels, if I think I'm gonna need to be across a lot of lanes. But most I'll just get treads before orchid since it helps you win lane and farm for the orchid :) the stats help a ton!
Nice to hear your voice, I love the new patch btw it’s so fun imo
I personally go null talisman into witch blade and then Gank get blink and then I make space
About the agnostic i c no different in the exort damge like its actually doesnt work
Its passive, not active. Lvl 1 exort is just 3 dmg. No matter what orbs are active.
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Appreciate it! :)
They fixed the Exort bonus spell amp in a hotfix today. So Elitist is kinda terrible now.
Yeah I just saw that myself, feels bad man. So strange to offer spell amp on a hero with 10 spells, but you have to right click first lol.
Explain what this means
@@DoTACasuals The devs are super braindead. Thank god they didnt design the game from scratch, without the mod existing, or a hero like invoker would have never existed and wed have anti-thematic heroes like primal fury, snapfire, and muerta lmao
@@KING_NIMROD Elitist was giving bonus spell amplification while E orbs were active in addition to the spell amp debuff on attacks. It was a bug that was left over from the previous iteration of Invoker that purposefully gave that bonus.
@@bran440 Ty Bran
Invoker is the only hero that the bigesst update nade nothung to him but weaknesses like the 15@doea something its nice until min 8 make no difrent after the keepa going and u will not waste your time try to hit denies instead of kill something else
I mean, sumiya havent lose lane as invoker even since 7.35, 7.36 even make him even stronger so..
Thanks for sharing! ✨🙏💖😁✨
And its ridiculous that the most aoe spell hero a magical hero depends on hits auper weak the elitist aame version but much more weak
Yeah it's strange that they keep pushing him to be a right click hero with 10 spells haha
whats your rank brother
Probably lower than yours lol. - I'm not actually calibrated yet but usually play around ancient ish.
@@DoTACasuals i gave ur video a go, good stuff
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nice
Only works against low skill
Please explain lol
Yeah explain you sound like an idiot lol