@@Bairom06 Have you watched D-Rose play this year? He's completely washed, there's a reason he gets no run. Dude was losing the Knicks games earlier in the season. Father Time has caught up to him.
@@MrRapmaster19 dude I've been seeing hella people saying we need to play drose, guarantee none of them watched reg season. Brunson and Quickly have far exceeded expectations while rose has disappointed, the choice is obvious.
He said they probably wouldn't. He even said he just mentioned it because teams like the Knicks like having a star with a name (for selling jerseys) but he thinks they would prefer Brunson and Young wouldn't work with him. Did you get mad and stop listening before leaving your comment?
To be fair, Lloyd Pierce constantly threw players under the bus, and even told other coaches to not vote for Trae as an all star reserve. Any coach who's intentionally harming a player's career like that has gotta go.
And while I'm on the topic. Nate McMillan had the same problems in Atlanta that he had in Indiana and Portland. Running that same outdated offense that relies on PnR, iso, and long 2's. He's even admitted himself that he doesn't know how to coach the new generation of players. We've known for years how bad Nate is, but Trae just got an unfair reputation as coach killer because the NBA world can't hop off his dick for 5 seconds.
Facts! Lloyd got him self fired more than anything. Nate was very old school with a bunch of young players and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn’t. Snyder is similar but with an offensive mind set vs Nate had a defensive mindset and the defense didn’t get any better regardless.
@@drivenrc The general lack of direction from the front office hasn't helped things either. Travis Schlenk didn't want the Murray trade, but the owner, Tony Ressler overruled him. Then Tony forced the Huerter trade to stay under the cap. He put Schlenk in an advisory role earlier this year and gave his son the job as team president despite the fact he's still in his 20s with 0 experience running an NBA team. Also, his wife Jami Gertz is in a group that controls the minority stake in the team. Just turning the team into a fucking family business. It's so frustrating.
I think Brooklyn would actually be a great fit since Mikal is going to most likely get doubled next season and Trae would open that up a lot. Also the amount of wing defenders and shooters that they have would really compliment them, including Mikal himself who is a genius on and off ball defender which would help defensive schemes for Trae in particular. Plus Claxton is a great defender as well that could probably do the pick and roll with him, and this is all on a surface level you could probably get creative with it.
It's just a weird rumor squeezed out by the media at the appropriate time right before the playoffs..just another example of the way the media undermine's Trae's worth aint no way they're thinking of trading him
Literally, they just brought in Quinn Snyder, Quinn hasn't had time to have 1 offseason, bring in his own staff or even break the bad habits and people want to trade Trae 😂 I can't tell if it's Hawks hate or Trae hate anymore
@@marshall9393 Well what's dif is a brand new article was written up and churned out to stir up all the dust that had been settled from way back then chosen to be released right before his play in game..it's an obvious agenda if you don't recognize it already brother
Quinn didn't get an opportunity to make any roster moves, get his own coaching staff and people think the logical next step is to trade Trae Young instead of just waiting for Quinn to have at least 1 off-season
It is so hard to find sports RUclipsrs that actually talk about real stuff and not rumors. Jesus christ, y'all might as well be drama channels. Especially with Trae. Y'all are straight up obsessed with this man. It's weird as hell.
Facts man it's wild you see the truth too..it's actually been from ever since he got into the league that he's had hate come at him from everywhere the media feasts off it and will not leave it alone..notice how right at this specific moment before the play-in this rumor "suddenly" gets leaked out? There's a reason behind everything Trae will always be the underdogg brother
Not to mention that the videos that are built off of momentary speculation won’t get views for more than a few days, and moreover some won’t age well if the speculation it was based on turns out to be false. I’ll give Sporting Logically credit for attempting to discuss fit in the context of potential trades, but at the end of the day, it’s all based on speculation at its core.
Because interesting real stuff doesn't happen everyday. Rumors and gossips can be speculated now and forever. Constricting content with just real stuff would result to one video every blue moon which YT algo doesnt very fond with.
@@Hensley_Jb CP3 averaged 10 assists last year and had half the turnovers Trae did. James Harden led the league in assists this year and averaged 3.4, Tyrese averaged 1.5 less turnovers than Trae and still managed to get more assists. Nash led the league in assists 5 times in his career and had the ball more than Trae this year and he never averaged 4 turnovers a game. Jason Kidd was one of best passers and floor generals in the game and he never even came close to 4 Turnovers a game.... 4 TOs a game is ridiculous and theres no excuse for it when the best "floor generals" in your own words did it without ever cracking 4/game. Its not at all an excuse, its just an indicator of a bad player and bad decision maker with low basketball IQ. so no, youre wrong lol.
@@Amm17ar did they turn the ball over at least once? If so he’s technically correct. Obviously you’re also right by saying elite floor generals have fewer TO than him. And let’s be honest here, look at who you’re comparing young to, all HoFers. It’s like how every good defender ever had got their ankles broken or a buzzer beater made on them.
I am a massive Hawks fan and trae young is my favorite player. Even I can admit that this hasn't been a great season for Trae or the Hawks. But we would regret it so much if we traded the leader in total assist
I'm a warrior's fan, and watching Trae Young and Steph on offense, the difference is obvious. When Young gives up the ball, he stays put and ball watches, when Steph gives up the ball, he runs through screen after screen and drives defenses crazy with off-ball action. Steph opens up chances for his teammates by hustling full-out when he doesn't have the ball, Young closes off opportunities for this teammates. Most NBA stars are like Young, they don't move off-ball, but if you have a small guard as your best player, that's what Young has to do if the Hawks are going to be a championship contender. I'd like to hear the thoughts of a Hawk's fan on this.
@@SuperSupersoda I 100% agree. He has improved on his off-ball movement and defense this season, but he has a long way to go if he wants to become the best player on a championship team whether that is in Atlanta or not
I have been a hawks fan since the 90s and our current team is the best they have been since the 80s I don’t realistically think trae is going to get us a ring off his play alone and the coaching situation is 75% of the issue also our defense is ass he didn’t request a trade and if he does he’ll end up in OKC or Charlotte in the same type of situation so it wouldn’t make sense to rock the boat when the team is at your mercy
No way in hell the Knicks trade Brunson for Trae, especially after how well he’s done and how much they gave away for him. Brunson is such a great fit for this team and a big morale boost. It would suck to trade him away for a guy that may lower the morale in the locker room. The vibes are immaculate in Ny with Brunson, it’s been established that he’s our franchise guy. Trae is an offensive superstar but it’s not worth giving up a guy like Brunson
I agree. That said the Knicks have made some stupid trades in the past for players with big names because it's New York, and you gotta have glamor and star power in New York! Who cares if they're a poor fit and/or are washed!
@@Kagemusha08 you kinda contradicted yourself there. You said the Knicks have a history of making bad trades but then said they should go for trae, even if it’s a poor fit. We need another star and scorer but going for a guy just bcuz he’s an all star is a bad reason. He needs to be a good fit for the team. Look at the Hawks- they went for Murray and are now worse than last year. Also, what bad trades have the Knicks done in the last 10 years besides Andrea Bargnani?? Seriously… bcuz the Porzingis trade was a win for us and we traded Marcus Morris when he was hot for a frp that turned into Quickley, and Morris immediately declined after. So I disagree with your statement that they notoriously make bad trades. I can’t think of a bad trade that they did in the last 10 years besides Bargnani. I think you’re confusing us with the Brooklyn Nets
@@Kagemusha08 Not in this case with Leon Rose and his FO group. They have been pretty consistent playing to the identity of the guys that Thibs wants to play his brand of defense. No fucking way he goes all in for Trae just to see the Knicks play 4 on 5 on defense because Trae always gets picked on.
Sorry, guys that make zero effort on defense because "that's not my job", will always be terrible players, cancers in locker room, and never win anything.
Brooklyn actually makes a ton of Sense, they have a very deep roster, like 12 playable guys so they can move 3-4 of them in a package along with some of the picks they got from Phoenix or Dallas in exchange for Trae. Also the roster structure would work really well for example if you had Trae/Mikal/DFS/CJ/Claxton that's a lot of defense to cover for Trae and they need a creator to open up shots for the rest of the guys who aren't too good at shot creation
It does but in the end, the team make up ends up being just like the Hawks. With Trae as the sole shot creator/ball handler with a bunch of other guys who aren't shot creators or can't put the ball on the floor. He'll just run screens and rim run with Claxton while everyone else gotta settle for whatever touches they get regardless if they are open or not.
"As soon as they get eliminated from the play-in." That aged poorly,. But seriously, I wonder if the Hawks' play-in win changes anything here. Snyder seems to have done a good job with them so far. If they manage to win a couple of games against Boston, I can easily see them doubling down with this core and even trying to add to it. They could easily tell themselves that if they'd had Snyder for the whole season, they'd have been more competitive.
@@harposhi Yes. Very wrong. A fraudulent team is a team that got incredibly lucky due to either injured opponents or circumstances beyond their control. The Mavs were a top 5 defense and an elite offense that beat a healthy Jazz team in round one with Luka out for half the series, and then blew the fully healthy Suns off the face of the Earth even though The Mavs themselves were not fully healthy. The front office and coach destroying their roster in the following season doesnt mean they were frauds the year prior, it means they were substantially better the year prior. Calling them frauds is a factually wrong. They were elite enough to make it to The WCF against fully healthy and good opponents while they themselves were not fully healthy
I have been a hawks fan since trae was drafted as that was the time that I got into watching the NBA and decided that they were to be my team for life. I have been in constant pain watching this man and we need to get it together.
@@drumusic5665 we had possibly the flukiest path to the conference finals in nba history. also, it’s not like our team is devoid of talent. deandre hunter is a good player, kevin heurter is a very good player, okongwu, collins, capela, bogi etc. when trae is on your team you definitely have a solid offensive floor, but he also caps the ceiling. everything has to run through him as though he’s giannis or prime lebron but he’s just not those guys. not to mention he is the single worst defensive player in the entire league. gives off poor body language and sucks to play with
@@aidanshearer691 knicks healthy Sixers healthy (we were the team that exposed Ben) Bucks Giannis missed 2 and Trae missed 2 On top of that Trae dealt with a sore shoulder since the 1st round. Dude WE HAVENT HAD A COACH You just named a player btw that isn't on the gd team anymore and hasn't been all season.
These new "stars" like Simmons and young, they don't wanna work on themselves and instead cries about what the team can't do.steph, Dame are truly the last of a kind.
If that is the case he will need to build some type of defensive scheme into his repertoire to give him some growth and value. He will also need to do something in order to show other franchises that he is a team winning player.
Trae Young puts in no effort on defense, and he watches possessions when he doesn't have the ball on offense. If you're going to win a title with a small guard as your star, that small guard has to be Steph: a player who puts in every ounce of effort on defense, and who drives defenses crazy with his off-ball movement when he doesn't have the ball on offense. You can't win a title with Young as your best player, and your ceiling is a second round exit with a player like that because you will never have the defense with Young nor the offensive efficiency to win at the highest level. Young is incredibly talented, he could be Steph if he put in the effort, but he doesn't put in the effort. As a defender, when Young gives up the ball, you can relax, he isn't going anywhere, when Steph gives up the ball, you're still terrified because Steph is one of the most dangerous players in NBA history without the ball in his hands. That's what it takes to win a title, and Young isn't it.
You hit the nail on the head with Steph on the defensive end. At least the dude always puts in the effort, installed in him by his first coach Marc Jackson. So many stars give zero effort, Trae, Luca..etc.
Im sorry but there is no way the hawks are trading Trae Young. Man is 24 years old and the face of their franchise. Also there's no way you called the Dejounte trade an overpay.
I think what you missed is that building an ideal chip team where Trae Young gets to do his solo dolo offense is very difficult. I don't like to make the Steph Curry comparison because not only does he play very good off-ball defense but he's a tremendous off-ball asset on offense as well. Whereas Trae's problem is him playing off ball is standing in one spot of the half court. Then when he gets the ball he's not the quickest guy in reading how to break down the defense by aggressively driving to the hoop or drawing defenders to kick the ball out. He only generates offense with the ball for himself playing screen games and rim running with a big. Also in terms of team defense if he can't find ways to fight match up hunting due to his size in the playoffs, he is the textbook liability scorer. You can't hide him any 'better' because teams playoff teams will have ball handlers to try attack him. At the very least he does have trade value to be moved around but I feel every time that happens the return he gets won't be as much. And assembling a playoff threat team for him will take even more resources.
I think two teams that would be interesting to watch and would be prone to acquiring a player like this would be Houston or the wizards. The wizards to stay relevant and the rockets have so much money and assets and need a pg
i think the hawks empowered Trae too much from day one. he would always been a player with weaker areas but he was not pushed to develop on them in order to be the guy for the hawks.
I think he’s perfect for Atlanta, if they just get him a coach that he respects (second chance for Steve Nash?), and he’ll be good. Also he needs a high-flying big like Collins/Capella to maximize his potential, so LA seems too slow for him
AD when healthy is one of the best lob finishers off PnRs. If anything Trae has to check his young ego playing alongside an aging Lebron and veteran AD whose already won a chip by themselves. And he may be forced to do stuff like ACTUALLY move off ball better and be more aggressive with a cutting game. Because Lebron and AD are more than capable than Trae of putting the ball on the floor to create shots.
Trae Young will never win a championship unless he drastically improves on defence, I don’t think many teams are actually going to be interested in him
Bruh, you saying Trey is a terrible defender and showing his offensive highlights at the same time! Change it in your future videos! If you saying he is a bad defender, show his bad defensive plays!
No, Don’t trade trae. The hawks have 3 untouchables, trae, aj, jalen, and maybe okongwu. Dejounte for siakam would be ideal, even with some picks, and they need to trade away collins and Hunter. Trae’s defense is also very underrated, and it’s just a bit under average. They need to run the 2016 warriors game where they have one defender and everyone else can catch and shoot.
Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam, Poeltl and Trae. I think they would be able to make room for Trae to cook on offense, and they are incredibly lenghty and skillful on defense.
With the Hawks owing future unprotected picks, it would be stupid to trade away Trae primarily for picks. Think about it. It's not like the Brooklyn situation, trading away older guys in their 30's. And at least Brooklyn got some solid win-now players in return. If they're trading him, it's for another franchise caliber star or a star and picks. The Hawks would want Davis, if the Lakers come calling, and probably a pick or two as well. The Knicks wouldn't have to worry about a too-small Brunson and Trae pairing, because Brunson is likely the guy they'd have to give up, plus picks. Nobody is giving up a franchise caliber player like Trae for RJ. That's just nuts! Miami would have to give up Bam, and I think probably Herro too, which would be an overpay, and Riles is too smart for that. They don't have the assets otherwise. The Wizards could deal Beal and their lottery selection, and maybe another protected pick or two or swaps, since Beal is older and a bit injury prone. Beal would make more sense along side Murray, since Beal is more capable as an off ball player, and he has better size to deal with defensive switches. It would make some sense for the Hawks, while the Wizards would have a younger franchise star to build around. The Bulls could do a LaVine and DeRozan + protected picks for Trae and Collins deal. Assuming the Bulls send the Magic their pick this coming draft, they'll have some picks and swaps to offer. A guy like Caruso could help Trae defensively in the backcourt, and he plays more off ball and complimentary than Murray. If Ball ever comes back, he'd be a good fit next to Trae as well, probably better than Murray, since Ball is a solid off ball three point shooter + defender. Meanwhile the Hawks would have a true shooting guard to play next to Murray to help keep them up in the standings. Maybe if the 6ers flame out this postseason, they could go after Trae. Harden was rumored to want a return to Houston, so maybe some kind of three-way trade where Harden goes to Houston, Maxey plus Rocket's assets go to the Hawks, and Trae to the 76ers. Maxey has a ton of upside and he is a better defender than Trae. He seems like a good fit next to Murray, and some other nice assets would have to be included. Meanwhile, a tandem of Embiid and Young would be phenomenal. The Thunder could deal a package around Giddey (Dort, Jalen Williams, Dieng + '23 first rounder or protected pick/s?). This would assume Giddey would play mostly at point forward, with an elite shooter like Bogdan at shooting guard,. It would also be insurance if Murray were to leave, allowing Giddey to maybe eventually take over at point guard and AJ Griffin or Williams at small forward. The Hawks would be suddenly deep in young wings with star-level upside. Meanwhile the Thunder would have a potentially all-time great backcourt of Trae and SGA.
@@kylewest4044 The Bulls would be in no position to turn down a young franchise point guard. The Thunder probably should make their move for contender status while they can. If the Sixers flame out, Young is a major upgrade over Maxey, and Harden is on the decline. I think you may be underestimating Trae's value, which is probably as low as it'll get for some time, unless he has a major injury. Maybe they say "no", but they'd definitely think long on it.
I think Chicago makes a ton of sense tbh. We have an insane defense but just can't seem to make points with Zo being permanently injured and the Demar/Lavine combo not being able to carry the points themselves. I'm just being hopeful that we can somehow get back into playoff contention because damn.
Media rumor and trades wouldn’t make sense. Dudes not even in the prime of his career yet let him progress. Focus on the defensive side of the ball in the off-season come back better next year. Improve year by year
Honestly I can see the Nets as a possibility even though Ben Simmons contract will likely have to be acquired and bought out, that atrocity only has one year left The Nets can likely send parts of the Kyrie and KD packages (Cam Johnson, Dinwidle as painful as it would be) and a few of the Suns picks for Trae.
id trade em . i dont like how he takes horrible shots in key moments of the game . that shit wont win you a title . then you factor in his attitude with the fact that he doesnt play defense not to mention he turns the ball over like crazy . hes basically curry without the basketball iq . then you look at what he shoots from 3 and its pretty ass lol takes a lot of 3s and takes a ton of bad shots and shoots a low % . gonna be tuff to beat any good teams with him on your team
Here is my perfectly 100% correct idea on who should trade for Trae Young and what the package should be: Magic get: Trae Young (40 million) Hawks get: Jalen Suggs (7 million), Jonathan Isaac (17 million), Gary Harris (13 million), 2023 Bulls 1st rounder, 2025 Nuggets 1st rounder, 2027 Magic 1st rounder (unprotected), and a 2026 pick swap with the Magic. I think this trade would be perfect for both teams. For the Magic, they get a young star backcourt player to pair with Franz, Paolo, Carter, Bol Bol, and Anthony, probably giving them one of the best young cores in the NBA (all five would be under the age of 25). In addition, they would ALSO somehow keep their own first round pick this year, which has a 9% chance of being number 1 and a 37% chance of being top 4. This would allow them to further bolster their young core, which would now have 7 players with star or borderline star level upside. For the Hawks, they are able to get a real haul for a guy everyone knows they want to move off of. They don't have a ton of leverage at the moment. So it'd be a huge win if they could bring in a young 21 year old guard who still has room to be special, a very young and talented but often injured injured player like Isaac, and a nice role player like Gary Harris. It would also allow them to clear over 33 million dollars off their cap in the next couple of years with Isaac and Harris' contracts expiring in 2025 and 2024 respectively. On top of all that, they would be able to refill their draft capital with some solid picks that only have light protections (plus a nice pick swap for 2026 in case the Magic aren't able to get over the hump). THIS... this is the trade I'd like to see made. I thought about the Pelicans for a while too, but honestly I just don't think he fits as well there.
Tony Jones has reported the Jazz need a PG. They have cap space, they have picks galore (including two possible lottery picks this year), and they have a plethora of serviceable guards to put together a deal that would work better alongside Dejounte to fill the trae void.
He's just not talented enough offensively to be able to be the sole hub of an offense while being so poor defensively and carrying himself the way he does. Hell Luka is a better player, who's bigger more versatile version of Trae and he clearly has a limit to teams built that way around him too. Short of a gamble like 1 for 1 trade out there where both teams take a risk I'm not sure any team who's smart would be willing to give up multiple good roleplayers or nice young players for Trae. He just doesn't move the needle THAT much. Trae really needs to lose a lot more before maybe he understands the hard work and sacrifices that are necessary to win.
Trae for Kat Trae for Lavine Trae for Lillard Trae for Zion Trae to rockets for loads of picks and scraps. Trae to Magic for a combination of stuff. (Their front office likes him. They tried to draft him but got snubbed so took Bamba instead then.) These are all of the only moves that make any kind of sense. Well, i should say the teams that do.
We always praise champions for getting on their teammates, publicly expressing disapointment them and pushing them. But you gotta be like Jordan, Brady, Kobe in other ways first before you can adopt the hard pushy trait.
One thing you forgot to mention was that John Collins also wants out of Atlanta, so it’ll be interesting to see if he gets moved too or if he stops wanting out if Trae leaves.
His situation is FAR different. He wants out but unless other teams are willing to give a better trade package value, he's gettin paid (with that contract extension) and he's staying put.
I don't keep up with basketball but some of the front-office members come to eat at a restaurant I work in downtown, and from what they've been talking about they want to keep Trae
I have two trade offers for Trae Young. Magic receive: Trae Young Hawks receive: Gary Harris, Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony, 2023 FRP via Bulls, 2025 FRP, 2027 FRP, 2028 SRP via Celtics, 2028 SRP via Lakers or Wizards Wizards receive: Trae Young Hawks receive: Kyle Kuzma, Monte Morris, Deni Avdija, Johnny Davis, 2025 FRP (top 10 protected), 2028 SRP via Magic The second one is less likely to happen as it leaves the Wizards without depth at all.
The Hawks seriously need a backup PG so that's why I think they should trade for two. Sliding Murray to PG would weaken the depth at SG. Who are you gonna play, sophomore AJ Griffin? And they can either play Gary Harris or buy him out for a player they like better. This trade gives the Hawks plenty of options and fixes the holes in their roster while also giving them plenty of first round picks. The Hawks don't gain anything for trading Trae for Beal, that's why I think the trade I proposed is a good idea. The Hawks get quite a bit for Trae, including young players, a 20 PPG scorer, and veteran role players that can keep the team solid without Trae.
The points are great, and the assists help his cause, but the efficiency and the usage really hurt him. The offense inevitably runs through him (look at those highlights). It's almost crazy to consider, but with ten assists per game, he's still a shoot-first point guard. If he's handing out ten dimes a game and his teammates STILL have a problem with his game, it's not a good situation. Another problem is he's used to putting up those numbers. It's his game at this point. He'd have to really respect a coach who rolled up on him and said, "Trae, I'd be happy with 18-20 a night if you spread the ball around and had 12-15 assists." I don't think that coach exists. Thibs would try, since he's one of the last "my way or the highway" old-school coaches, but the effort would tear the Knicks apart (and besides, Jalen Brunson). Also, the numbers are what is going to get the max contract. Any agent worth his salt is going to harp on 25 and 10 and de-emphasize 43% from the field and 33% from three along with the turnovers and poor defense. And there will always be some owner dazzled by all the scoring, enough to ignore Trae's chemistry issues and rough edges. I agree. There will be drama. Some GM and some owner out there are going to mortgage their team's future for Trae (might be the Hawks, might be someone else) while praying he grows up a bit. It's sure to be fascinating to watch.
They way you describe Trae Young as a player who “puts no effort of defense” and “his teammates don’t like him” and “whiny ‘I wanna be traded’ star” is exactly what’s wrong with reporting around this guy. NONE of that is true and it shows that you and actual reporters are only speculating, and you don’t watch the Hawks as a team. The fake narratives surrounding Trae Young are ludicrous.
Trae Young is not a winning player. Inefficient offensively and truly awful defensively. He isn't going to a contender, he is going to someone desperate.
Worst part is that young superstar attitude that they don't even have to work on their defense. The whole hazing of rookies needs to come back. Make them carry bags. Pick up food etc. Guys coming in year 1 being given the the keys to the team is ruining the league. Among other things.b
I think the next "star" Brooklyn is looking for is a Luca type player who could essentially be that man and also be the glue the binds everything together, or a 3 and D superstar like PG or Kwahi, or may just be as simple as Draymond Green. I think those 3 types of players would fit Brooklyn the most with the current roster they have. D Murray might actually work.
"Smaller guy. He's skinnier and it's gonna be difficult to defend against NBA level athletes"....Have you not heard of "The Answer"? Allen Iverson. Lead the league in steals and a good defender. The smaller you are, the more you can swipe the ball against bigger opponents. So size is not a limiting factor. Defense is not all about blocking and boxing out.
I don't think the Clippers would have the assets, but pairing Young with PG and Kawhi could be really interesting. I mean there would be nobody else on the team but that could be interesting
Bro these baseless rumors are ridiculous. Of course these “reporters” make up random stuff right when the Hawks play a significant game to slander the star player even though these “reports” are entirely based off speculation. I’m sick of this man.
I’m a Laker fan, and I swear, if the front office decides to let go of half the team for a single, potentially problematic star for the third time in 10 years, I’m gonna lose it
You're not able to guess the trade because you're only thinking direct team swaps. Forgetting the whole three way trading schemes. CP3 is about done so he could go to the suns. The bulls could also use the depth. Spurs etc
Bro come on with this clickbait, Trae is NOT on the trade block. Some random publisher just wrote an article from a month old quote where a FO member said it wasn't his decision on who is or is not available to trade. This is kinda pathetic ngl, y'all need to learn to read sourced articles before you start making entire videos about arbitrary and asinine headlines. Give us some real news, next.
Anyone who trades for Young is confirming they wont be winning. You need the perfect roster around him with athletic defensive wings and big men who can rebound, play defense and shoot.....essentially what every other team is looking for. But having your superstar shoot 42% and 33% from three while taking the 12th most shots in the league is crazy. That while he did average 10 assits, he turned the ball over 4 times a game this year....Pair all that with absolutely no defense and at times a terrible IQ, and a worse shot IQ at times and youve got a Monta Ellis, Stephon Marbury and Allen Iverson mould. Yeah thats damn good company and they put up great stats and scoring, but they never won. All three of those guys were defensive liabilities and needed shots and the ball in their hands to be productive. The same could be said about Isiah Thomas (Boston Celtics). The second he got less shots his value on the court went down. He had to outscore his matchup and had to shoot a ton to be a plus player and the second he didnt get the shots he became a net negative player and a liability on the court. He wasnt scoring enough to make up for the amount of points he cost the team by being on the floor. And thats when the opportunity cost of putting a guy like Young, Iverson or Thomas weighs in the other direction. Young needs to either play a more complete game and play on both ends, change his shot choice and limit turnovers or hes just gunna be a guy that fades away after never winning anything.
Yeah, "fraudulent" is kind of harsh. I think it's just that most people think Phoenix was the better team and could have given Golden State a tougher contest in the conference finals.
Stephs a better athlete than Trae, he’s longer, has more strength and has way better basketball iq. Sorry if ur a trae fan but it’s not just effort that makes him a bad defender.
I can’t finish the video. Don’t speak for Hawks fans. Yes, we get frustrated by some things about his game; but no, the majority of us do not want him gone or traded. We actually like having a start here who tries to actively rep the city and make something happen. Our ownership has been a clown show and many other players on the team could step up as well.
Bro you ain't never going to win shit the way your team is built and Trae Young has a lot to do with that.. Move on from him and get as much as you can so can you can actually build a future winning roster.. Stop being so damn soft sheeeesh
Trae is great but there's no reason for the Knicks to grab him with Brunson and Quickley on the roster, don't see how that trade is very worth it for the Knicks.
I dont think Minnesota would want Trae even if they had more assests because having Trae a bad defender and Kat a average or worse defender wouldn't be good.
Well, let me open this up to the room then. If, and I mean If Young were available to trade, he strikes me as a Bullsian-type acquisition. Like Lavine, Williams, and the 2023 Portland pick, for Young, and Griffin. That I could get behind.
Let’s be honest Trae is going to have to change his game because he’s to small and not athletic enough to be the main offensive force on a contender and to even be an average defender
Out of curiosity, how is he offensively when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands? And this might sound like a silly question, but what should we look for from guys on offense who don’t have the ball in their hands as often? I ask because it feels like nobody talks about that aspect of the game.
@@fortynights1513 Players on offense without the ball should space the floor either horizontally like a Steph Curry or vertically like a AD. They should be actively cutting and slashing trying to get open, using screens from bigs effectively. They should be able to read the floor and make the extra pass to the better shot, open man or better play. They should take care of the ball and not commit turnovers. Young is a decent shooter and thats about it. He is just very small and skinny, by the way Steph Curry comparison sizeways is very friendly to young, Step has two inches and 15 pounds on him easily. I just dont think think that a guy with Youngs effort and skillset is cut out to be a main option on a contending team, hes not a good teammate, no hustle, awful defense made worse by lack of drive. You dont last long in the NBA as a undersized guard with a very immature mindset and bad d.
@@stringer2295 Westbrook is in the league since 15 years, has a scoring title and a mvp, several all Nba selections and is still playing on a contender, despite his really bad contract. That is a future I don't see for Young currently and your comment on Russ looks really bad and casual when you think about it twice.
The real assessment: No other team really would value Trae Young. There are many team stars that are not worth their contract to any team other than the one they are on. Media likes moving pieces like a chess match, as it is good for content. Still, for the most part, these things don't work out. And they sort of insult the team's fans, too.
Knick fans also hate Trae's guts and he's the entire antithesis to what Thibs wants from players. No way in hell they even ponder a Trae trade.
Sad that drose was the knicks best player in the series yet, he gets no run. 😢
With Brunson what would the need for trae be? That’s a 2k trade if I ever heard one.
@@Bairom06 Have you watched D-Rose play this year? He's completely washed, there's a reason he gets no run. Dude was losing the Knicks games earlier in the season. Father Time has caught up to him.
@@MrRapmaster19 dude I've been seeing hella people saying we need to play drose, guarantee none of them watched reg season. Brunson and Quickly have far exceeded expectations while rose has disappointed, the choice is obvious.
Why would the organization care if the fans like a player or not?
Why would the Knicks even consider trading for Trae Young when they have Jalen Brunson AND Immanuel Quickley?
The boy is slow
Not to mention Trae is coming off a horrific shooting year.
Yeah it's idiotic and I'm so goddamn sick of hearing this dude talking like it's a sensible move whatsoever lol.
He said they probably wouldn't. He even said he just mentioned it because teams like the Knicks like having a star with a name (for selling jerseys) but he thinks they would prefer Brunson and Young wouldn't work with him. Did you get mad and stop listening before leaving your comment?
@@michaelhaydenbell You know you should work on your listening skills because he said they probably wouldn’t make a trade for him
To be fair, Lloyd Pierce constantly threw players under the bus, and even told other coaches to not vote for Trae as an all star reserve. Any coach who's intentionally harming a player's career like that has gotta go.
And while I'm on the topic. Nate McMillan had the same problems in Atlanta that he had in Indiana and Portland. Running that same outdated offense that relies on PnR, iso, and long 2's. He's even admitted himself that he doesn't know how to coach the new generation of players. We've known for years how bad Nate is, but Trae just got an unfair reputation as coach killer because the NBA world can't hop off his dick for 5 seconds.
Lloyd know Trae is trash!!!
@@xylynthian753 Nate has proved himself to be a trash coach!!!
Facts! Lloyd got him self fired more than anything. Nate was very old school with a bunch of young players and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn’t. Snyder is similar but with an offensive mind set vs Nate had a defensive mindset and the defense didn’t get any better regardless.
@@drivenrc The general lack of direction from the front office hasn't helped things either. Travis Schlenk didn't want the Murray trade, but the owner, Tony Ressler overruled him. Then Tony forced the Huerter trade to stay under the cap. He put Schlenk in an advisory role earlier this year and gave his son the job as team president despite the fact he's still in his 20s with 0 experience running an NBA team. Also, his wife Jami Gertz is in a group that controls the minority stake in the team. Just turning the team into a fucking family business. It's so frustrating.
I think Brooklyn would actually be a great fit since Mikal is going to most likely get doubled next season and Trae would open that up a lot. Also the amount of wing defenders and shooters that they have would really compliment them, including Mikal himself who is a genius on and off ball defender which would help defensive schemes for Trae in particular. Plus Claxton is a great defender as well that could probably do the pick and roll with him, and this is all on a surface level you could probably get creative with it.
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Yeah but would Atlanta want Ben Simmons in return?
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 no because Ben Simmons is washed now
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 no but they can give joe harris and spencer dinwiddie to secure the trade
@@tri_camper6993 can't call someone washed when they never peaked to begin with. Man's worse than washed.
It's just a weird rumor squeezed out by the media at the appropriate time right before the playoffs..just another example of the way the media undermine's Trae's worth aint no way they're thinking of trading him
This entire video is literally based off of a clickbait article that Trae young’s name was thrown in to get clicks
Literally, they just brought in Quinn Snyder, Quinn hasn't had time to have 1 offseason, bring in his own staff or even break the bad habits and people want to trade Trae 😂
I can't tell if it's Hawks hate or Trae hate anymore
These rumours been floating around since Christmas
i find these rumors so hard to believe, media blowing it up out of proportion including this video
@@marshall9393 Well what's dif is a brand new article was written up and churned out to stir up all the dust that had been settled from way back then chosen to be released right before his play in game..it's an obvious agenda if you don't recognize it already brother
Quinn didn't get an opportunity to make any roster moves, get his own coaching staff and people think the logical next step is to trade Trae Young instead of just waiting for Quinn to have at least 1 off-season
It is so hard to find sports RUclipsrs that actually talk about real stuff and not rumors. Jesus christ, y'all might as well be drama channels. Especially with Trae. Y'all are straight up obsessed with this man. It's weird as hell.
Facts man it's wild you see the truth too..it's actually been from ever since he got into the league that he's had hate come at him from everywhere the media feasts off it and will not leave it alone..notice how right at this specific moment before the play-in this rumor "suddenly" gets leaked out? There's a reason behind everything Trae will always be the underdogg brother
The entire Nets saga last year perhaps
Not to mention that the videos that are built off of momentary speculation won’t get views for more than a few days, and moreover some won’t age well if the speculation it was based on turns out to be false.
I’ll give Sporting Logically credit for attempting to discuss fit in the context of potential trades, but at the end of the day, it’s all based on speculation at its core.
Because interesting real stuff doesn't happen everyday. Rumors and gossips can be speculated now and forever. Constricting content with just real stuff would result to one video every blue moon which YT algo doesnt very fond with.
@@davidtogi5878 Just untrue. There are numerous channels, sports related or otherwise, that function just fine not having to post clickbait.
What I like about Trae is dat he can have a bad game and somehow he’s still goin to give u 10+ assists
and 4+ turnovers...... Every 1.5 assists hes turning the ball over.....thats not a good thing.
@@Amm17ar every floor general turns the ball over
@@Hensley_Jb CP3 averaged 10 assists last year and had half the turnovers Trae did. James Harden led the league in assists this year and averaged 3.4, Tyrese averaged 1.5 less turnovers than Trae and still managed to get more assists. Nash led the league in assists 5 times in his career and had the ball more than Trae this year and he never averaged 4 turnovers a game. Jason Kidd was one of best passers and floor generals in the game and he never even came close to 4 Turnovers a game.... 4 TOs a game is ridiculous and theres no excuse for it when the best "floor generals" in your own words did it without ever cracking 4/game. Its not at all an excuse, its just an indicator of a bad player and bad decision maker with low basketball IQ. so no, youre wrong lol.
@@Hensley_Jb Not even close, but good try
@@Amm17ar did they turn the ball over at least once? If so he’s technically correct. Obviously you’re also right by saying elite floor generals have fewer TO than him. And let’s be honest here, look at who you’re comparing young to, all HoFers. It’s like how every good defender ever had got their ankles broken or a buzzer beater made on them.
I am a massive Hawks fan and trae young is my favorite player. Even I can admit that this hasn't been a great season for Trae or the Hawks. But we would regret it so much if we traded the leader in total assist
I'm a warrior's fan, and watching Trae Young and Steph on offense, the difference is obvious. When Young gives up the ball, he stays put and ball watches, when Steph gives up the ball, he runs through screen after screen and drives defenses crazy with off-ball action. Steph opens up chances for his teammates by hustling full-out when he doesn't have the ball, Young closes off opportunities for this teammates. Most NBA stars are like Young, they don't move off-ball, but if you have a small guard as your best player, that's what Young has to do if the Hawks are going to be a championship contender. I'd like to hear the thoughts of a Hawk's fan on this.
@@SuperSupersoda I 100% agree. He has improved on his off-ball movement and defense this season, but he has a long way to go if he wants to become the best player on a championship team whether that is in Atlanta or not
I have been a hawks fan since the 90s and our current team is the best they have been since the 80s I don’t realistically think trae is going to get us a ring off his play alone and the coaching situation is 75% of the issue also our defense is ass he didn’t request a trade and if he does he’ll end up in OKC or Charlotte in the same type of situation so it wouldn’t make sense to rock the boat when the team is at your mercy
we’re not getting rid of trae 😂
No way in hell the Knicks trade Brunson for Trae, especially after how well he’s done and how much they gave away for him. Brunson is such a great fit for this team and a big morale boost. It would suck to trade him away for a guy that may lower the morale in the locker room. The vibes are immaculate in Ny with Brunson, it’s been established that he’s our franchise guy. Trae is an offensive superstar but it’s not worth giving up a guy like Brunson
I agree. That said the Knicks have made some stupid trades in the past for players with big names because it's New York, and you gotta have glamor and star power in New York! Who cares if they're a poor fit and/or are washed!
@@Kagemusha08 you kinda contradicted yourself there. You said the Knicks have a history of making bad trades but then said they should go for trae, even if it’s a poor fit. We need another star and scorer but going for a guy just bcuz he’s an all star is a bad reason. He needs to be a good fit for the team. Look at the Hawks- they went for Murray and are now worse than last year.
Also, what bad trades have the Knicks done in the last 10 years besides Andrea Bargnani?? Seriously… bcuz the Porzingis trade was a win for us and we traded Marcus Morris when he was hot for a frp that turned into Quickley, and Morris immediately declined after. So I disagree with your statement that they notoriously make bad trades. I can’t think of a bad trade that they did in the last 10 years besides Bargnani. I think you’re confusing us with the Brooklyn Nets
@@Kagemusha08 Not in this case with Leon Rose and his FO group. They have been pretty consistent playing to the identity of the guys that Thibs wants to play his brand of defense. No fucking way he goes all in for Trae just to see the Knicks play 4 on 5 on defense because Trae always gets picked on.
Sorry, guys that make zero effort on defense because "that's not my job", will always be terrible players, cancers in locker room, and never win anything.
You literally do nothing but take L’s when you bring up Trae Young.
Brooklyn actually makes a ton of Sense, they have a very deep roster, like 12 playable guys so they can move 3-4 of them in a package along with some of the picks they got from Phoenix or Dallas in exchange for Trae. Also the roster structure would work really well for example if you had Trae/Mikal/DFS/CJ/Claxton that's a lot of defense to cover for Trae and they need a creator to open up shots for the rest of the guys who aren't too good at shot creation
It does but in the end, the team make up ends up being just like the Hawks. With Trae as the sole shot creator/ball handler with a bunch of other guys who aren't shot creators or can't put the ball on the floor. He'll just run screens and rim run with Claxton while everyone else gotta settle for whatever touches they get regardless if they are open or not.
"As soon as they get eliminated from the play-in." That aged poorly,.
But seriously, I wonder if the Hawks' play-in win changes anything here. Snyder seems to have done a good job with them so far. If they manage to win a couple of games against Boston, I can easily see them doubling down with this core and even trying to add to it. They could easily tell themselves that if they'd had Snyder for the whole season, they'd have been more competitive.
So glad Murray got humbled after the offseason of him showing off in all those summer pickups. Him an Trae really thought they’d be a top 5 duo 😂😂
Frfr. As a Spurs fan I’ve seen plenty of Murray, he’s a great defender and all around solid player but he really isn’t all that.
Second duo in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 6 assists
@@patrickelder2169 and the definition of mid
@@patrickelder2169 that doesn’t really mean much, that’s an empty stat it’s about EFFICIENCY
@@dalerobertson138 yeah and wins
Weak af, tell us you just hate the Hawks.
“its quite asf in here”
This guy hates the hawks
As do I, they are trash!!!
I remember commenting something similar to this on his older videos a year ago 🤣 still love tucker tho
I mean he literally opened with calling The Mavs frauds because they were in the WC finals last year and their roster collapsed their year
I mean, is he lying?
@@harposhi
Yes. Very wrong.
A fraudulent team is a team that got incredibly lucky due to either injured opponents or circumstances beyond their control. The Mavs were a top 5 defense and an elite offense that beat a healthy Jazz team in round one with Luka out for half the series, and then blew the fully healthy Suns off the face of the Earth even though The Mavs themselves were not fully healthy.
The front office and coach destroying their roster in the following season doesnt mean they were frauds the year prior, it means they were substantially better the year prior. Calling them frauds is a factually wrong. They were elite enough to make it to The WCF against fully healthy and good opponents while they themselves were not fully healthy
I have been a hawks fan since trae was drafted as that was the time that I got into watching the NBA and decided that they were to be my team for life. I have been in constant pain watching this man and we need to get it together.
You are tripping, Trae has been great in spite of having below average coaches his whole career.
@@drumusic5665 nah you need to realize we will never win a damn thing with trae as our best player. dudes just not a winner.
@@aidanshearer691 he literally was the ONLY reason we won our first conference championship game since the team moved to Atlanta in 1969
@@drumusic5665 we had possibly the flukiest path to the conference finals in nba history. also, it’s not like our team is devoid of talent. deandre hunter is a good player, kevin heurter is a very good player, okongwu, collins, capela, bogi etc. when trae is on your team you definitely have a solid offensive floor, but he also caps the ceiling. everything has to run through him as though he’s giannis or prime lebron but he’s just not those guys. not to mention he is the single worst defensive player in the entire league. gives off poor body language and sucks to play with
@@aidanshearer691 knicks healthy
Sixers healthy (we were the team that exposed Ben)
Bucks Giannis missed 2 and Trae missed 2
On top of that Trae dealt with a sore shoulder since the 1st round.
Dude WE HAVENT HAD A COACH
You just named a player btw that isn't on the gd team anymore and hasn't been all season.
I like the cj to Brooklyn trade that would make the Nets so good
From a pels fan i love cj but hell try to take over a game and then go 6/24 it sounds good untill u remember hes not in his prime
These new "stars" like Simmons and young, they don't wanna work on themselves and instead cries about what the team can't do.steph, Dame are truly the last of a kind.
tryna slide ben in these trades like he’s valuable in these 😂😂😂
If that is the case he will need to build some type of defensive scheme into his repertoire to give him some growth and value. He will also need to do something in order to show other franchises that he is a team winning player.
Keep the same energy for luka who had 2 all stars and still never get any blame and play 0 defense for 6’7
Trae Young puts in no effort on defense, and he watches possessions when he doesn't have the ball on offense. If you're going to win a title with a small guard as your star, that small guard has to be Steph: a player who puts in every ounce of effort on defense, and who drives defenses crazy with his off-ball movement when he doesn't have the ball on offense. You can't win a title with Young as your best player, and your ceiling is a second round exit with a player like that because you will never have the defense with Young nor the offensive efficiency to win at the highest level. Young is incredibly talented, he could be Steph if he put in the effort, but he doesn't put in the effort. As a defender, when Young gives up the ball, you can relax, he isn't going anywhere, when Steph gives up the ball, you're still terrified because Steph is one of the most dangerous players in NBA history without the ball in his hands. That's what it takes to win a title, and Young isn't it.
You hit the nail on the head with Steph on the defensive end. At least the dude always puts in the effort, installed in him by his first coach Marc Jackson. So many stars give zero effort, Trae, Luca..etc.
Im sorry but there is no way the hawks are trading Trae Young. Man is 24 years old and the face of their franchise. Also there's no way you called the Dejounte trade an overpay.
I think what you missed is that building an ideal chip team where Trae Young gets to do his solo dolo offense is very difficult. I don't like to make the Steph Curry comparison because not only does he play very good off-ball defense but he's a tremendous off-ball asset on offense as well. Whereas Trae's problem is him playing off ball is standing in one spot of the half court. Then when he gets the ball he's not the quickest guy in reading how to break down the defense by aggressively driving to the hoop or drawing defenders to kick the ball out. He only generates offense with the ball for himself playing screen games and rim running with a big. Also in terms of team defense if he can't find ways to fight match up hunting due to his size in the playoffs, he is the textbook liability scorer. You can't hide him any 'better' because teams playoff teams will have ball handlers to try attack him. At the very least he does have trade value to be moved around but I feel every time that happens the return he gets won't be as much. And assembling a playoff threat team for him will take even more resources.
I think two teams that would be interesting to watch and would be prone to acquiring a player like this would be Houston or the wizards. The wizards to stay relevant and the rockets have so much money and assets and need a pg
I like how we get a young team that hasn’t fully played with each other for a year or so yet and they think we should be finals ready smh
i think the hawks empowered Trae too much from day one. he would always been a player with weaker areas but he was not pushed to develop on them in order to be the guy for the hawks.
Orlando gonna be all over this if they don’t get a top 3 pick
I think he’s perfect for Atlanta, if they just get him a coach that he respects (second chance for Steve Nash?), and he’ll be good. Also he needs a high-flying big like Collins/Capella to maximize his potential, so LA seems too slow for him
AD when healthy is one of the best lob finishers off PnRs. If anything Trae has to check his young ego playing alongside an aging Lebron and veteran AD whose already won a chip by themselves. And he may be forced to do stuff like ACTUALLY move off ball better and be more aggressive with a cutting game. Because Lebron and AD are more than capable than Trae of putting the ball on the floor to create shots.
Trae Young will never win a championship unless he drastically improves on defence, I don’t think many teams are actually going to be interested in him
Bruh, you saying Trey is a terrible defender and showing his offensive highlights at the same time! Change it in your future videos! If you saying he is a bad defender, show his bad defensive plays!
No, Don’t trade trae. The hawks have 3 untouchables, trae, aj, jalen, and maybe okongwu. Dejounte for siakam would be ideal, even with some picks, and they need to trade away collins and Hunter. Trae’s defense is also very underrated, and it’s just a bit under average. They need to run the 2016 warriors game where they have one defender and everyone else can catch and shoot.
The lakers would never give up Reaves for trae
lakers fans being delusional again LOL
They would do this trade every day of the week.
@@danlower7834 maybe if they were held at gun point
I like Austin Reaves but you're crazy
@@jaycurry5593 Reaves isn’t a cone on defense
Toronto has a lot of picks and assets, They can give Van Fleet, Achiuwa and two 1st rounders, possibly more.
Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam, Poeltl and Trae. I think they would be able to make room for Trae to cook on offense, and they are incredibly lenghty and skillful on defense.
We don’t want him. Toxic.
@@AK-hi9bv I know, but the basketball fit is good
With the Hawks owing future unprotected picks, it would be stupid to trade away Trae primarily for picks. Think about it. It's not like the Brooklyn situation, trading away older guys in their 30's. And at least Brooklyn got some solid win-now players in return. If they're trading him, it's for another franchise caliber star or a star and picks.
The Hawks would want Davis, if the Lakers come calling, and probably a pick or two as well.
The Knicks wouldn't have to worry about a too-small Brunson and Trae pairing, because Brunson is likely the guy they'd have to give up, plus picks. Nobody is giving up a franchise caliber player like Trae for RJ. That's just nuts!
Miami would have to give up Bam, and I think probably Herro too, which would be an overpay, and Riles is too smart for that. They don't have the assets otherwise.
The Wizards could deal Beal and their lottery selection, and maybe another protected pick or two or swaps, since Beal is older and a bit injury prone. Beal would make more sense along side Murray, since Beal is more capable as an off ball player, and he has better size to deal with defensive switches. It would make some sense for the Hawks, while the Wizards would have a younger franchise star to build around.
The Bulls could do a LaVine and DeRozan + protected picks for Trae and Collins deal. Assuming the Bulls send the Magic their pick this coming draft, they'll have some picks and swaps to offer. A guy like Caruso could help Trae defensively in the backcourt, and he plays more off ball and complimentary than Murray. If Ball ever comes back, he'd be a good fit next to Trae as well, probably better than Murray, since Ball is a solid off ball three point shooter + defender. Meanwhile the Hawks would have a true shooting guard to play next to Murray to help keep them up in the standings.
Maybe if the 6ers flame out this postseason, they could go after Trae. Harden was rumored to want a return to Houston, so maybe some kind of three-way trade where Harden goes to Houston, Maxey plus Rocket's assets go to the Hawks, and Trae to the 76ers. Maxey has a ton of upside and he is a better defender than Trae. He seems like a good fit next to Murray, and some other nice assets would have to be included. Meanwhile, a tandem of Embiid and Young would be phenomenal.
The Thunder could deal a package around Giddey (Dort, Jalen Williams, Dieng + '23 first rounder or protected pick/s?). This would assume Giddey would play mostly at point forward, with an elite shooter like Bogdan at shooting guard,. It would also be insurance if Murray were to leave, allowing Giddey to maybe eventually take over at point guard and AJ Griffin or Williams at small forward. The Hawks would be suddenly deep in young wings with star-level upside. Meanwhile the Thunder would have a potentially all-time great backcourt of Trae and SGA.
With the exception of maybe the wizards every single one of those teams is saying no in an instant
@@kylewest4044 The Bulls would be in no position to turn down a young franchise point guard. The Thunder probably should make their move for contender status while they can. If the Sixers flame out, Young is a major upgrade over Maxey, and Harden is on the decline. I think you may be underestimating Trae's value, which is probably as low as it'll get for some time, unless he has a major injury. Maybe they say "no", but they'd definitely think long on it.
I think Chicago makes a ton of sense tbh. We have an insane defense but just can't seem to make points with Zo being permanently injured and the Demar/Lavine combo not being able to carry the points themselves. I'm just being hopeful that we can somehow get back into playoff contention because damn.
We ain’t trading Trae end of story
Trae is simply not worth the money.
Media rumor and trades wouldn’t make sense. Dudes not even in the prime of his career yet let him progress. Focus on the defensive side of the ball in the off-season come back better next year. Improve year by year
Honestly I can see the Nets as a possibility even though Ben Simmons contract will likely have to be acquired and bought out, that atrocity only has one year left
The Nets can likely send parts of the Kyrie and KD packages (Cam Johnson, Dinwidle as painful as it would be) and a few of the Suns picks for Trae.
Ben Simmons is injured, why would he want to throw his career away. Stop believing the media and use common sense
id trade em . i dont like how he takes horrible shots in key moments of the game . that shit wont win you a title . then you factor in his attitude with the fact that he doesnt play defense not to mention he turns the ball over like crazy . hes basically curry without the basketball iq . then you look at what he shoots from 3 and its pretty ass lol takes a lot of 3s and takes a ton of bad shots and shoots a low % . gonna be tuff to beat any good teams with him on your team
If I was a GM I would avoid trading for trae young at all costs. So so so many better options
Unpopular opinion, but I want him gone. Feels like we’re capped out w him as #1 and we can get a nice package of either picks or youngsters.
Here is my perfectly 100% correct idea on who should trade for Trae Young and what the package should be:
Magic get: Trae Young (40 million)
Hawks get: Jalen Suggs (7 million), Jonathan Isaac (17 million), Gary Harris (13 million), 2023 Bulls 1st rounder, 2025 Nuggets 1st rounder, 2027 Magic 1st rounder (unprotected), and a 2026 pick swap with the Magic.
I think this trade would be perfect for both teams.
For the Magic, they get a young star backcourt player to pair with Franz, Paolo, Carter, Bol Bol, and Anthony, probably giving them one of the best young cores in the NBA (all five would be under the age of 25). In addition, they would ALSO somehow keep their own first round pick this year, which has a 9% chance of being number 1 and a 37% chance of being top 4. This would allow them to further bolster their young core, which would now have 7 players with star or borderline star level upside.
For the Hawks, they are able to get a real haul for a guy everyone knows they want to move off of. They don't have a ton of leverage at the moment. So it'd be a huge win if they could bring in a young 21 year old guard who still has room to be special, a very young and talented but often injured injured player like Isaac, and a nice role player like Gary Harris. It would also allow them to clear over 33 million dollars off their cap in the next couple of years with Isaac and Harris' contracts expiring in 2025 and 2024 respectively. On top of all that, they would be able to refill their draft capital with some solid picks that only have light protections (plus a nice pick swap for 2026 in case the Magic aren't able to get over the hump).
THIS... this is the trade I'd like to see made. I thought about the Pelicans for a while too, but honestly I just don't think he fits as well there.
Tony Jones has reported the Jazz need a PG. They have cap space, they have picks galore (including two possible lottery picks this year), and they have a plethora of serviceable guards to put together a deal that would work better alongside Dejounte to fill the trae void.
He's just not talented enough offensively to be able to be the sole hub of an offense while being so poor defensively and carrying himself the way he does. Hell Luka is a better player, who's bigger more versatile version of Trae and he clearly has a limit to teams built that way around him too.
Short of a gamble like 1 for 1 trade out there where both teams take a risk I'm not sure any team who's smart would be willing to give up multiple good roleplayers or nice young players for Trae. He just doesn't move the needle THAT much.
Trae really needs to lose a lot more before maybe he understands the hard work and sacrifices that are necessary to win.
Trae for Kat
Trae for Lavine
Trae for Lillard
Trae for Zion
Trae to rockets for loads of picks and scraps.
Trae to Magic for a combination of stuff. (Their front office likes him. They tried to draft him but got snubbed so took Bamba instead then.)
These are all of the only moves that make any kind of sense. Well, i should say the teams that do.
Man I just realized I haven’t watched a Hawks game since two seasons ago lol
I think nets is a perfect fit since they have a lot of young nice defensive prospects
Well now that they're in the playoffs, it's either a trade, or
we run into another rumor that gets us blamed by the internet
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Oof 😮💨😮💨
You were saying??
We always praise champions for getting on their teammates, publicly expressing disapointment them and pushing them. But you gotta be like Jordan, Brady, Kobe in other ways first before you can adopt the hard pushy trait.
One thing you forgot to mention was that John Collins also wants out of Atlanta, so it’ll be interesting to see if he gets moved too or if he stops wanting out if Trae leaves.
His situation is FAR different. He wants out but unless other teams are willing to give a better trade package value, he's gettin paid (with that contract extension) and he's staying put.
Ice Trae will win a ring with Atlanta.
Mayby in the carnival
LMAO no way the Lakers do that trade listed above not logical at all
These trades are horrible 🗣️
Trae Young’s situation is uncommon but not unheard of like Ray Allen in MIL (though tbh at was moreso George Karl than the Bucks as a whole)
I don't keep up with basketball but some of the front-office members come to eat at a restaurant I work in downtown, and from what they've been talking about they want to keep Trae
1:54 talking about his lack of defense while showing highlights of him with the ball because there's probably no footage of him playing defense.
Frederick Vanvleet is a small pg who's still a very good defender
Lol why did auto correct change it to Frederick
Steph Curry is the Patrick Mahomes of the NBA
Trae Young is the Kyler Murray of the NBA
Gay
Kinda true.
I have two trade offers for Trae Young.
Magic receive: Trae Young
Hawks receive: Gary Harris, Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony, 2023 FRP via Bulls, 2025 FRP, 2027 FRP, 2028 SRP via Celtics, 2028 SRP via Lakers or Wizards
Wizards receive: Trae Young
Hawks receive: Kyle Kuzma, Monte Morris, Deni Avdija, Johnny Davis, 2025 FRP (top 10 protected), 2028 SRP via Magic
The second one is less likely to happen as it leaves the Wizards without depth at all.
The Hawks seriously need a backup PG so that's why I think they should trade for two. Sliding Murray to PG would weaken the depth at SG. Who are you gonna play, sophomore AJ Griffin? And they can either play Gary Harris or buy him out for a player they like better. This trade gives the Hawks plenty of options and fixes the holes in their roster while also giving them plenty of first round picks.
The Hawks don't gain anything for trading Trae for Beal, that's why I think the trade I proposed is a good idea. The Hawks get quite a bit for Trae, including young players, a 20 PPG scorer, and veteran role players that can keep the team solid without Trae.
Ain't nobody building around an undersized guard who led the league in turnovers the last 5 years 😂 he's not even a great shooter
Just sitting here thinking about all the mouths that claimed Young would be better than Chef Curry😂😂
Who the hell said that??
It’s amazing that a miracle happened and they beat the Heat. Absolutely mind blowing. Jesus was definitely on their side
The points are great, and the assists help his cause, but the efficiency and the usage really hurt him. The offense inevitably runs through him (look at those highlights). It's almost crazy to consider, but with ten assists per game, he's still a shoot-first point guard. If he's handing out ten dimes a game and his teammates STILL have a problem with his game, it's not a good situation.
Another problem is he's used to putting up those numbers. It's his game at this point. He'd have to really respect a coach who rolled up on him and said, "Trae, I'd be happy with 18-20 a night if you spread the ball around and had 12-15 assists." I don't think that coach exists. Thibs would try, since he's one of the last "my way or the highway" old-school coaches, but the effort would tear the Knicks apart (and besides, Jalen Brunson). Also, the numbers are what is going to get the max contract. Any agent worth his salt is going to harp on 25 and 10 and de-emphasize 43% from the field and 33% from three along with the turnovers and poor defense. And there will always be some owner dazzled by all the scoring, enough to ignore Trae's chemistry issues and rough edges.
I agree. There will be drama. Some GM and some owner out there are going to mortgage their team's future for Trae (might be the Hawks, might be someone else) while praying he grows up a bit. It's sure to be fascinating to watch.
They way you describe Trae Young as a player who “puts no effort of defense” and “his teammates don’t like him” and “whiny ‘I wanna be traded’ star” is exactly what’s wrong with reporting around this guy. NONE of that is true and it shows that you and actual reporters are only speculating, and you don’t watch the Hawks as a team. The fake narratives surrounding Trae Young are ludicrous.
Trae Young is not a winning player. Inefficient offensively and truly awful defensively. He isn't going to a contender, he is going to someone desperate.
I don't think he's going anywhere!
The Hawks won the lottery you don't just give that away
Worst part is that young superstar attitude that they don't even have to work on their defense. The whole hazing of rookies needs to come back. Make them carry bags. Pick up food etc. Guys coming in year 1 being given the the keys to the team is ruining the league. Among other things.b
I think the next "star" Brooklyn is looking for is a Luca type player who could essentially be that man and also be the glue the binds everything together, or a 3 and D superstar like PG or Kwahi, or may just be as simple as Draymond Green. I think those 3 types of players would fit Brooklyn the most with the current roster they have. D Murray might actually work.
"Smaller guy. He's skinnier and it's gonna be difficult to defend against NBA level athletes"....Have you not heard of "The Answer"? Allen Iverson. Lead the league in steals and a good defender. The smaller you are, the more you can swipe the ball against bigger opponents. So size is not a limiting factor. Defense is not all about blocking and boxing out.
I don't think the Clippers would have the assets, but pairing Young with PG and Kawhi could be really interesting. I mean there would be nobody else on the team but that could be interesting
Bro these baseless rumors are ridiculous. Of course these “reporters” make up random stuff right when the Hawks play a significant game to slander the star player even though these “reports” are entirely based off speculation. I’m sick of this man.
I could see Washington biting on Trae, they've been needing a good pg for years it feels like.
I’m a Laker fan, and I swear, if the front office decides to let go of half the team for a single, potentially problematic star for the third time in 10 years, I’m gonna lose it
😂😂😂 that’s fair
AD and Dwight?
You're not able to guess the trade because you're only thinking direct team swaps. Forgetting the whole three way trading schemes. CP3 is about done so he could go to the suns. The bulls could also use the depth. Spurs etc
Bro come on with this clickbait, Trae is NOT on the trade block. Some random publisher just wrote an article from a month old quote where a FO member said it wasn't his decision on who is or is not available to trade. This is kinda pathetic ngl, y'all need to learn to read sourced articles before you start making entire videos about arbitrary and asinine headlines. Give us some real news, next.
Facts and notice when the media decides to fully run this false rumor right before the play-in
Anyone who trades for Young is confirming they wont be winning. You need the perfect roster around him with athletic defensive wings and big men who can rebound, play defense and shoot.....essentially what every other team is looking for. But having your superstar shoot 42% and 33% from three while taking the 12th most shots in the league is crazy. That while he did average 10 assits, he turned the ball over 4 times a game this year....Pair all that with absolutely no defense and at times a terrible IQ, and a worse shot IQ at times and youve got a Monta Ellis, Stephon Marbury and Allen Iverson mould. Yeah thats damn good company and they put up great stats and scoring, but they never won. All three of those guys were defensive liabilities and needed shots and the ball in their hands to be productive. The same could be said about Isiah Thomas (Boston Celtics). The second he got less shots his value on the court went down. He had to outscore his matchup and had to shoot a ton to be a plus player and the second he didnt get the shots he became a net negative player and a liability on the court. He wasnt scoring enough to make up for the amount of points he cost the team by being on the floor. And thats when the opportunity cost of putting a guy like Young, Iverson or Thomas weighs in the other direction. Young needs to either play a more complete game and play on both ends, change his shot choice and limit turnovers or hes just gunna be a guy that fades away after never winning anything.
How were the mavs fraudulent? Their 2nd best player left in free agency and their best defensive big was hurt for most of the season
Yeah, "fraudulent" is kind of harsh. I think it's just that most people think Phoenix was the better team and could have given Golden State a tougher contest in the conference finals.
Stephs a better athlete than Trae, he’s longer, has more strength and has way better basketball iq. Sorry if ur a trae fan but it’s not just effort that makes him a bad defender.
His defense has been much better this year tho?
I’m sorry did we just say Brunson is a borderline all nba caliber player? Dude was correctly not even an allstar replacement.
I can’t finish the video. Don’t speak for Hawks fans. Yes, we get frustrated by some things about his game; but no, the majority of us do not want him gone or traded. We actually like having a start here who tries to actively rep the city and make something happen. Our ownership has been a clown show and many other players on the team could step up as well.
Bro you ain't never going to win shit the way your team is built and Trae Young has a lot to do with that.. Move on from him and get as much as you can so can you can actually build a future winning roster.. Stop being so damn soft sheeeesh
Trae is great but there's no reason for the Knicks to grab him with Brunson and Quickley on the roster, don't see how that trade is very worth it for the Knicks.
Nobody wants Ben Simmons. Just stop!
Trae is a beast and he would be good on any team.
Bro he's not good on the fuckin team he's on NOW, so wtf you mean?? Can he put up numbers on any team, yes. And???
@Professionally Correct Bro Bro Bro if you look he's averages 26 points a game. So how can you say trae young isn't good. SMH
I dont think Minnesota would want Trae even if they had more assests because having Trae a bad defender and Kat a average or worse defender wouldn't be good.
Maybe even his own team has gotten tired of his flopping. 🤣
Trae on the Nets will be the best destination
Well, let me open this up to the room then. If, and I mean If Young were available to trade, he strikes me as a Bullsian-type acquisition. Like Lavine, Williams, and the 2023 Portland pick, for Young, and Griffin. That I could get behind.
Let’s be honest Trae is going to have to change his game because he’s to small and not athletic enough to be the main offensive force on a contender and to even be an average defender
Thank you, finally someone tells the truth
Out of curiosity, how is he offensively when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands?
And this might sound like a silly question, but what should we look for from guys on offense who don’t have the ball in their hands as often? I ask because it feels like nobody talks about that aspect of the game.
@@fortynights1513 Players on offense without the ball should space the floor either horizontally like a Steph Curry or vertically like a AD. They should be actively cutting and slashing trying to get open, using screens from bigs effectively. They should be able to read the floor and make the extra pass to the better shot, open man or better play. They should take care of the ball and not commit turnovers.
Young is a decent shooter and thats about it. He is just very small and skinny, by the way Steph Curry comparison sizeways is very friendly to young, Step has two inches and 15 pounds on him easily.
I just dont think think that a guy with Youngs effort and skillset is cut out to be a main option on a contending team, hes not a good teammate, no hustle, awful defense made worse by lack of drive. You dont last long in the NBA as a undersized guard with a very immature mindset and bad d.
Came here to says this, if he keeps playing like he plays he’s going to end up like Westbrook
@@stringer2295 Westbrook is in the league since 15 years, has a scoring title and a mvp, several all Nba selections and is still playing on a contender, despite his really bad contract. That is a future I don't see for Young currently and your comment on Russ looks really bad and casual when you think about it twice.
Hawks didn't do anything. Misleading title.
twolves are never giving up mcdaniels.
The real assessment: No other team really would value Trae Young. There are many team stars that are not worth their contract to any team other than the one they are on. Media likes moving pieces like a chess match, as it is good for content. Still, for the most part, these things don't work out. And they sort of insult the team's fans, too.
Trea isn't going anywhere facts!! All y'all want to just have something to talk about
Hawks for the win. Playoff Trae is here.🥶
Nah. I called it before the season started. They went and got Traes replacement in Murray.