I feel like there are many ways to work with a Cirklon. There's the super immediate and fun ways like playing notes straight in and sculpting Aux's for example. Using it like a step sequencer is another fun and immediate way. But here you are kind of new to the machine, opting to use the very powerful, but absolutely mind bending, parametric way of using it. it makes sense that you are finding it challenging. I'm sure you know that unless you are opperating complex tools daily, they can be dificult to wrap your head around. But as you get familiar with those tools, regularly using the features, it can become more familar and fast and inspiring. One thing that might give you some solice. is that saving patterns or entire scenes with complex logic can be used like templates for later. Especially if you are using inter track Aux's. To be honest i would winding back the Accumulators and complicated Aux masking to start with.
No doubt everything you say is true -- I'm jumping into the deep end. But to be frank, the deep end is why I got the Cirklon in the first place. For the other ways of working you mention, I'd much rather use my Deluge or Pyramid or Elekton box, which can also do those things but much easier with oftentimes better results. Plus I'm a masochist and feel compelled to bang my head against a wall by doing the opposite of what you say -- start on a complex workflow but not daily (due to life, not choice). It may just not be right for this time in my life but I haven't given up yet. Thanks for the tip on the templates. That's a great timesaver!
I think it takes a lot of courage to share the challenges with the technical learning of customizing your set-up. You're not the only person on the Cirklon journey. A lot of influencers are pretty much just selling stuff as recommended tools that even they won't necessarily use. So this is refreshing to say the least. Your learnings will certainly help others, so thank you for putting yourself out there.
This process is so fascinating to me - thank you for sharing it! I'm a sound designer and - for about 20 years now - I've been building my own little sequencing rigs, heavily inspired by the music-bar mailing list. Colin Fraser was a big contributor to this list, and I got to meet him while working at musikmesse frankfurt (2005?2006? It was a very very tiny Superbooth, like a little tunnel) He showed me the P3, a product we had already read about on that list. Since then I've been fascinated by the device (and the cirklon), but ultimately chose to go the software sequencing route. Using accumulators driven by the "mask", which I kind of see as a multiplier of sorts (?) is a very nice twist on driving a sequencer - you can then get cascading sequences from a central driving signal. It all becomes somewhat "simple" if we see it like an analog clock nudging separate counters. I'm sorry for the wall of text - I just stumbled on this video in my sleepless stupor this morning - this just makes my head buzz for these ideas even more! Cheers from Copenhagen, DK. ty.
As frustrating, s it's been occasionally, I can see you where the cirklon is definitely kind of an ideas generato. not necessarily musical ideas but just in terms of sequencing ideas. Signal flow if you can call MIDI routing signal flow. Yeah, there's a lot of different possibilities. And I have maybe gone down a few too many rabbit holes exploring those., but from your response, I'm assuming that's by right up your alley!
This is excellent. Very inspiring. Thanks. I have avoided accumulators so far. This is why !! Your comment at the end about learning the cirklon vs making music definitely makes sense to me… so a lot the more complex stacked auxes I’ve avoided for that reason
You're a better jammer than I, lol. I can't resist but honestly, the reason I got the Cirk was for its advanced capabilties. I guess it has a really tight clock but I've never had a problem w. the Elektrons or Squarps before so that's not a thing for me. But for sure, maybe I need to slow my roll a little on the advanced Cirk stuff.
I feel like there are many ways to work with a Cirklon. There's the super immediate and fun ways like playing notes straight in and sculpting Aux's for example. Using it like a step sequencer is another fun and immediate way. But here you are kind of new to the machine, opting to use the very powerful, but absolutely mind bending, parametric way of using it. it makes sense that you are finding it challenging.
I'm sure you know that unless you are opperating complex tools daily, they can be dificult to wrap your head around. But as you get familiar with those tools, regularly using the features, it can become more familar and fast and inspiring.
One thing that might give you some solice. is that saving patterns or entire scenes with complex logic can be used like templates for later. Especially if you are using inter track Aux's.
To be honest i would winding back the Accumulators and complicated Aux masking to start with.
No doubt everything you say is true -- I'm jumping into the deep end. But to be frank, the deep end is why I got the Cirklon in the first place. For the other ways of working you mention, I'd much rather use my Deluge or Pyramid or Elekton box, which can also do those things but much easier with oftentimes better results. Plus I'm a masochist and feel compelled to bang my head against a wall by doing the opposite of what you say -- start on a complex workflow but not daily (due to life, not choice). It may just not be right for this time in my life but I haven't given up yet.
Thanks for the tip on the templates. That's a great timesaver!
@@MKDVB Have you joined Sequentix support forum? There is a section for bugs, and another for suggestions, where your input would be valuable.
I think it takes a lot of courage to share the challenges with the technical learning of customizing your set-up. You're not the only person on the Cirklon journey. A lot of influencers are pretty much just selling stuff as recommended tools that even they won't necessarily use. So this is refreshing to say the least. Your learnings will certainly help others, so thank you for putting yourself out there.
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This process is so fascinating to me - thank you for sharing it! I'm a sound designer and - for about 20 years now - I've been building my own little sequencing rigs, heavily inspired by the music-bar mailing list. Colin Fraser was a big contributor to this list, and I got to meet him while working at musikmesse frankfurt (2005?2006? It was a very very tiny Superbooth, like a little tunnel)
He showed me the P3, a product we had already read about on that list. Since then I've been fascinated by the device (and the cirklon), but ultimately chose to go the software sequencing route.
Using accumulators driven by the "mask", which I kind of see as a multiplier of sorts (?) is a very nice twist on driving a sequencer - you can then get cascading sequences from a central driving signal. It all becomes somewhat "simple" if we see it like an analog clock nudging separate counters.
I'm sorry for the wall of text - I just stumbled on this video in my sleepless stupor this morning - this just makes my head buzz for these ideas even more! Cheers from Copenhagen, DK. ty.
As frustrating, s it's been occasionally, I can see you where the cirklon is definitely kind of an ideas generato. not necessarily musical ideas but just in terms of sequencing ideas. Signal flow if you can call MIDI routing signal flow. Yeah, there's a lot of different possibilities. And I have maybe gone down a few too many rabbit holes exploring those., but from your response, I'm assuming that's by right up your alley!
This is excellent. Very inspiring. Thanks. I have avoided accumulators so far. This is why !! Your comment at the end about learning the cirklon vs making music definitely makes sense to me… so a lot the more complex stacked auxes I’ve avoided for that reason
You're a better jammer than I, lol. I can't resist but honestly, the reason I got the Cirk was for its advanced capabilties. I guess it has a really tight clock but I've never had a problem w. the Elektrons or Squarps before so that's not a thing for me. But for sure, maybe I need to slow my roll a little on the advanced Cirk stuff.
Bro, dive tf in. Like anything, once you learn it, the rest is high flying!
Life is too short.
You're not wrong brother.
So learn and explore.
absolutely interesting hardware, but isn't it too expensive for nowadays?
It's really good at what it is and very dedicated and hands-on. I love mine and use it all the time.
Yes, it should be like $1200.00
As someone who used to do a hand-made bakery at farmers markets, people's time is valuable, especially for smaller shops.
I think the best glitches are when you say to yourself: I don't know what's happening
Happy accidents are the best part!
Randomize note at 29.10 is not working coz everything is set to 0 bro
math?