H-40 through H-44 - Guide 111 (NB)
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- The H-40 and beyond classes, never-built battleships of the Kriegsmarine, are today's subject.
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This isn't Q&A but can you please review IJN Yūbari?
Given actual naval history, which was the most effective capital ship shell calibre? 11", 12", 13"...18"?
How effective would the Mk 8 Super heavy shell be against Yamato's Armor?
Might be a bit of a difficult question to answer, but what if the japanese had ambushed the american fleet at the coral sea when they were refueling (they were refueling i think a day or 2 before the actual engagement with shokaku and zuikaku or the sinking of shoho), what effect would it have on the pacific war both short and long term?
Zach Jones
he has a list of planned videos in the describtion
You really hit the nail on the head when you basically stated "Design unrealistic battleships or go to the Eastern Front."
See also Maus, E100 and Whirlwind cannon. Its astonishing how the contrast between working in a warm office against freezing your nuts off in a foxhole in Ukraine concentrated your imagination.
Those last all stood some chance of entering production within a year or two. These battleships were so enormous and impractical to build that they were truly fantasy.
Really depended on technology available at the time. originally all H class battleships were planned for 1944 to 1948 but even if ww2 was delayed by say 2 decades I dont see all these ships being built by 1944 or even 1948 as it's likely the ships would've taken muuuuuuuuuch longer considering their massive size not to mention the requirement for much larger shipyards would add tons of time regardless if they were to build brand new shipyards or upgrade existing ones
Yes
It's funny how you can tell from the voice that old Drach is facepalming throughout the entire video on how hopelessly optimistic these ships were.
About as hard as I facepalmed when I saw WG's latest idea for a Tier 9 premium USN BB, the Georgia. Based off the initial design schemes from 1938 for the Iowa's, basically an alternate Iowa with three twin 18" guns. You could hear Jackie Fisher's ghost laughing in the background, this would have been his wet dream of a battlecruiser. USN would have said "Nope" to this design for some very practical reasons, main one being too few guns for a effective main battery for their tastes.
@@mitchelloates9406 Yeah, I saw that design too... Weird. My guess is she will get a main battery accuracy booster consumable as a gimmick. That has been tested in the halloween mode.
Late in the war Hitler completely lost his grip on reality. His desire for these ships is consistent with constant pushing for wonder weapons that would turn the tide of the war. Giant tanks, rockets and guns were also on the drawing board. If Germany had concentrated on advanced practical weapons that actually worked, such as the Me 262 jet fighter, they would have been better off. Let us all be thankful they didn't.
+Mitchell Oates Well too many US players complaining how Japan gets 18.1 inch guns at tier 9 and 10 and the UK and now Russia getting 18 inch at tier 10 as well they want there own and an alternate Iowa type at least has a drawing.
@@brianspendelow840 The H-42 to H-44 designs were just design studies. You can argue that drawing some designs is a waste of manpower but there are appartenly lots of designs in the archives of various nations so it's nothing unusual having weird designs.
+Mitchell Oates At least 18 inch twin turrets were considered and guns were built and tested. And for a game it does not matter if a design was rejected. It can be buffed in so many ways to make it work in the game.
H44 was so big it probably didn't even need a catapult for planes. The deck alone seems long enough.
have you even seen the H-45? Almost double the size of the H-44
@@crazywarriorscatfan9061 triple the size of Bismarck, you could slap a table on the top of it and you have an airport
Right? Would've done better simply planning a carrier of that size instead.
@@crazywarriorscatfan9061 despite being a fictional ship she woul have made a aircraft carrier to put habbakuk to shame
@@crazywarriorscatfan9061 yeah but like it wasn't something congered up by the germans its literally some random guy of wikipedia wondering how big of a ship was needed for 800mm main armaments
I have to admit, German Battleships and Battlecruisers were good looking ships.
Yeah, the Nazis are awful and all but damn they knew how to make some cool shit!
Just Some Guy Ok - can’t beat the Italians on style.
They are indeed the most aesthetically pleasing.
But, they were in my opinion some of the worst design/implemented warships
(i'm looking at you all vulnerable exterior mounted and unprotected FCS of any German warships)
@@Kyudaimonia Well said.
Germanophiles rave about the awesomeness of the WW2 ships, but history shows them to be poor value for money given the massive flaws in their design.
I do wonder what the British design teams could have produced with the money and tonnage restrictions removed.
Good looking on launch and some of the most beautiful artificial reefs in the North atlantic.
I think a video just on the gun prototypes would be interesting. Maybe even a long vid, or a short series, on all 18+ inch guns tested/prototyped by the naval powers.
Ships so big all german tanks within 100km of the design burea had their transmission burst into flames.
I'm pretty sure they just did that anyway.
I know most people want big battleships or carriers, but I'm curious if at some point we could get some smaller craft overviews, like sub-chasers, PT boats, and gunboats and other small craft
You could get a Bit of that in the War Thunder Collaboration Playlist with Napalmratte.
But I agree, I want more of that.
Australia's little 'Bathurst Class Corvettes would be a real contender regarding small warship videos. We built around 90 of them for ourselves, NZ, the UK and India during the war. They served in most theatres, doing just about every job imaginable and then some. It is often said of the 'Bathursts' that, in just about any war zone, they were usually the very first in and often the last ones out.
Not bad for a little ship that was often outweighed AND outgunned by the submarines it hunted.
The original 37mm/C30 gun was a pretty terrible antiaircraft weapon. It was the only weapon of its size that was single shot and hand loaded. The practical ROF was no more than 30 RPM, totally inadequate for antiaircraft fire. The mounting was hand operated and very slow to train and elevate. The M42 was a far superior gun, fully automatic and fed from a five round clip, much like the 20mm, but it wasn't available until 1944. The M43 gun was the first with the option of a power twin mounting but changed the clip to an inferior 8 round strip loading, lowering the practical ROF to 180 RPM compared to 250 RPM for the M42.
Unfortunately for the Germans, the development of single and double wet mounts of the 37mm M42 and quad mount 20mm guns gave Doenitz false hope that U Boats so armed could successfully fight it out on the surface against allied aircraft and transit the Bay of Biscay safely. The first couple boats armed with these weapons did have some success as at least five Coastal Command aircraft were lost flying into this unexpected wall of flak. Coastal Command was quickly able to work out the types and locations of the weapons through photo reconnaissance flights. The countermeasure was to always attack in groups of three and from the bow if possible, since no boat had more than a single 20 mm mounted forward. Even the few U-Flak boats armed with two quad 20's and two twin M42's mounted fore and aft were not able to fight off the swarms of Coastal Command aircraft that set upon surfaced U-Boats from mid-1943 on. The real answer was a Dutch invention, the schnorkel, so the boats never had to come to the surface at all.
The snorkel wasn't really the answer either. You could see the diesel exhaust and the snorkel on calm seas, out to about almost a mile. Plus in rough seas the snorkel would be subject to closing, because of the sea water getting in. It wasn't until later in the war that they came up with a solution; but at that time the kriegsmarine designed the electric boat!
@@rickmoreno6858 While the snorkel had some problems, most were solved by early 1944. Engineers learned how to run the diesels with a minimum of smoke, and the fuel quality was improved so combustion was more complete. Very few uboats were discovered because of exhaust smoke. A bigger problem was when allied radar was improves os it could detect a snorkel. That was solved late in the war with a coating of Turnmatte, radar absorbent materiel that was claimed to reduce radar signature by 90%. The success of the schnorkel is shown by the fact that Germany was losing 25% of its uboats to air attack while running on the surface returning to or leaving the Bay of Biscay. In June, 1944, not a single schnorkel equipped boat was sunk. Right up until the loss of French bases, schnorkel equipped boats were able to transit the Bay of Biscay in relative safety.
While the electroboats were developed, and 120 hulls were built, the tremendous logistic and material problems caused by constant allied bombings meant only two boats made any patrols, and those were just a week before the surrender. Neither boat sunk any ships, although both skippers said they made dummy attacks undetected but didn't fire due to receiving the surrender message. Even if the war has continued, it would have been many moths before a significant number of electroboats got in service. Schnorkel equipped uboats would have remained the backbone of the submarine fleet.
The french used a twin semi-automatic breach 3,7cm. but that was "replaced" by 1937. Though was still used given a low rate of production of the newer gun. The Soviet had the 45mm. but was replaced on larger ships largely by '1942. The Italians had something similar but replaced almost entirely by war's start. The American four-funnelers had a 3"/23 caliber gun of similar performance.
@@sarjim4381 👍
After playing the Bismarck the Germans would have felt extremely disappointed in the H-39 and just free XP'd to the H-44.
I did that xD
@@Fishyyy You might want to try Friedrich der Große again then, she got quite a neat buff recently, compensating for the frustrating inconsistent accuracy with high rate of fire now. Dispersion also seems to have been decreased... let's compare it with Iowa:
Iowa 16":
- 2 rpm per barrel,
- turrets turn 180° in 45 seconds
- max dispersion 272 meters
- damage 13500 AP/ 5700 HE with 36% fire chance
FdG 16":
- 2.3 rpm per barrel
- turrets turn 180° in 32.73 seconds
- max dispersion 265 meters
- damage 12700 AP/ 4800 HE with 38% fire chance
FdG 16.5":
- 2.1 rpm per barrel
- damage 13500 AP/ 5000 HE with 41% fire chance
So... even the 16.5" guns fire a smidgen faster than Iowa's 16", they have the same AP damage, faster turret rotation, better dispersion at maximum range(although said maximum range is 3km less than Iowa's), and just less HE damage... but of course, german BB HE has 1/4th gun caliber penetration instead of just 1/6th like US BB HE. The only real advantage for Iowas guns is the better penetration angles of US AP and that they are more consistent in their spread pattern. ^^
By the way, Hi! Nice to see a familiar face(well, youtube avatar) here. xD
@@sd501st5 Which type is FdG actually in this video? I don't remember a ship with triple-turrets...
@@theredjoker8857 The FdG is the H-39 design. As work on two of these ships was started they are part of the Z Plan and mentioned in the other video:
ruclips.net/video/HvQj2oM69IY/видео.html
kreigsmarine complains about anti-german bias....
World of Warships has 2 H plan ships after Bismarck in the game. They are massive and mind boggling in a game. I couldn’t imagine if they were built
(Without reading the title.) I presumed this was going to be about English destroyers or Force H. (I wasn't aware of the German H classes.) Perfect teatime video. Thank you.
Good morning/afternoon, fellow naval history lovers.
Good morning!
@@rnrailproductions5049 Good morning as well. Drach always posts these just as I'm about to finally retire for the night, and then there are questions raised by the video, and then answers to questions...and then it's 0542 and I still haven't gone to bed. Thank goodness I'm retired and single. No work I have to be at and no wife harping at me to come to bed. :-)
@@rnrailproductions5049 BTW, I meant to say I have been watching and enjoying some of your videos but had failed to subscribe. Bad boy, but I have since corrected that.
Sar Jim ah thanks! Yeah, he uploads as I wake up here in the states lol.
Ohayo he upload like an hour before I wake up lol
One of the H Class battleships kiel had been laid down! But work stopped shortly afterwards, one of the massive 16 inch guns from the ship was sent to France as a costal gun, Batteri Lindemann was named after Bismarck's fallen Kapitan, Ernst Lindemann! That is the gun pictured @ 3:39! Batteri Lindemann fired over 2200 rounds at England during the war!
Thanks for this. I've been working on a fictional warships thingy, and so far I've seen everything from Super-Scharnhorst's (16 inch main battery) to monitor conversions of a fictional third Bismark class, these ships however knock most of the fiction writers ideas out of the court.
Those sound like some very interesting ideas, any chance you might have some links? I kinda want to give these concepts a look.
Meanwhile in America: Anybody seen those old Tillman plans?
Of course, the difference is that the Tillman plans were meant to prove that going straight to the endpoint was infeasible.
Now your just spoiling us @Drachinifel! ;)... Can we get a more in depth breakdown of the Spahkruezer series? I know most seem to think they would have been useless, but the commerce raiding role, with enough speed for hunter-killer ops, always seems to keep my interest in them burning strong. Regardless, amazing work brother.
It is so Amazing to see all thee ships plans and to think what if they were built!
Play World of Warships to find out!
@@davidkaminski615 ok i will look at it!
If they were built they would be useless because they were battleships.
Hey Drechinifel!!! I love your videos. Thank you so much for your work.
I have s request for the German Type XXI submarine. From what I gather it's a very influential design.
Interesting that both Germany and Japan had access to 40mm guns for AA duty. The Kriegsmarine had a production line in place for the Bofors 40mm gun. Indeed, the Prinz Eugen's final outfit replaced the "37"s with 40mm Bofors guns. As for the IJN, it had access to both double and octuple Pom pom mounts, in the main captured from the British. These would've been superior to the silly little Hotchkiss type 25mm we all laugh at from the safety of an 80 year gap.
Moving into a more specious fantasy scenario, the 5cm FlaK41/L65, which had problems of flash and vibration precluding its adoption as a general FlaK service weapon, would not have been out of place on the German capital ships. With Rates of Fire similar to the Bofors gun, but much harder hitting, and with longer effective range, this weapon might've been able to keep allied torpedo planes at bay. Powered mounts for shipboard use would solve its vibration troubles and centralized direction would eliminate the flash problems. Moreover, the excessive smoke obscuration would be solved by the simple fact that ships move, while ground mounts sit still, wreathed in the byproducts of their use.
Air defence guns of the day lacked precise guidance and accuracy, not firepower. Until automated radar guidance and VT-1 fuses entered, all depended on volume of fire and luck.
Hey Drachinifel, will you ever consider creating guides about ships used in antiquity and the middle ages like galleys, dromons, cogs and carracks?
Sure, if such ships are requested :)
Would you call them quinquereme or fives?
If that happens then we also need the opposite extreme! I suggest USS Providence, CLG-6, one of my personal favourite ships.
He did an episode on floating logs once. Too far back in history?
I would love to see some videos on Cold War ships.
H44: as big as Hitler's ego.
... and about as existent as his left ball!
Just don’t fall off it
It's hard to stop compensating.
... But NEVER as big as he would have liked.
Maddog3060 hitler was an impatient idiot
5:35 ...some sources claim, that the Kriegsmarine wanted to change the secondary-battery to 125mm/5" multi-purpose-guns like in the Iowas, North-Carolinas and South-Dakotas...!
...i.m.o. that would make a lot of sense for logistics and fire-direction...!
I know you’ve got a lot of these to go through including my own requests, but could you do Rawalpindi, Beaverford, and Jervis Bay? Those were some awesome stories
I really got into ships due to playing World of Warships (had a over all interest before but more land and air focused) would be a interesting series for me to explore the ships in game (and how much they are changed or just made up) but I guess it would be of limited interest to your viewers who have no interest in the game.
Seeing as the h41 42cm guns could penetrate the armor of pretty much anything ever made it seems to me like maybe upgrading to 12 of those instead of 8 of the 20ish" guns would make a better h43 or h44 if they was in a position to actually make it.
True but by this point the Germans had already thrown sense out the window and were just designing the biggest things possible to impress “H” and not get sent to the eastern front
I wish WG would add new H-42 & H-43 designs with the 19 inches and the H-44s with 20 inch guns. Plus give them 122500 HP on H-42 & H-43 as well as 144500 HP for the H-44 class on T9 & T10 respectively. There should be alternative H40A and H40B designs on the game
Enjoyable as always. Would you consider some videos on P.T. boats please. When you have time.
I've look at some over on Napalmrattes channel, look in the 'Collaboration' playlist here :)
20 inch Guns , thats at least 6,000 pound / 3 Ton Shells.
I don't think the Royal navy has a chance to rule the seas if these monsters we're built in reality
@@rambojack5606 they probably would still, given if an H44 was built it would likely be bombed into submission. Think about what happened to Tirpitz, but the RAF has even more pressure to sink it.
@@blackberet9997 I see but what if they sail at open waters all of them the British can't destroy them nor bomb them
@@rambojack5606 being out in sea instead of in port doesn't make much a difference, look at Yamato and Musashi, both were enormous battleships, much bigger than anything else in the world, and they were sunk by mass air attack. That's not mentioning the fact that it's likely the British could send several battleships, say Rodney, Nelson, and maybe a KG V battleship at a H44, after all, quantity has a quality in itself; while I doubt a lone Iowa could take on Yamato, two Iowas could certainly win frequently, and three would be one sided
Edit: spelling and grammar
Edit 2: spelling and grammar (again)
@@blackberet9997 your right even though the Nazis would win the seas doesn't mean there victorious. but the land all is lost tanks and ships that survived will be taken when Germany surrenders I would go for land instead of the sea.
YEAY !
more Kriegsmarine videos :)
What's up with the notched bow on the later H battleships?
Please make an in-depth review of the H classes, especially the H 41.
I think for hilarity we need to look at H44 more closely instead.
@@konac6610 It was a study, not much info is left on it.
The best feature of those ships is their Not having been built 😂 work of construction teams looking for makeshift work in order to not being expected to do something useful
Would love to see a more in depth video on all ships as well as this series (specifically battleships), but yeah, I want to see a more in depth video on these ships as well
Hitler: My battleships are invincible!
A B-29's bomb bay doors open and a large object with "Good Morning" painted on the side falls out.
Hitler never believed in Naval Power
You know, when I write my AH timeline, I'll have the USN develop nuclear torpedoes a bit early as a giant middle finger to the one H44 that is actually built.
Brilliant as ususal. Not sure it's been asked before, but have you considered doing one on the Popovkas, the Novgorod circular battleship? Some say it was a ridiculous concept with hilarious results, some say it actually made sense. Maybe you can shed some light on the matter?
He did those.
Good looking list.
Some request if you haven’t done them
Myogi class
Dido class
KMS Emden
County Class
Convers Raider Atlantis/Pinguin
Tribal class
L,M,N class
ErpiDerpi spelling mistake whoops
The Dido is on the list and he has already done the Tribals, but its an old video so it is on robo voice.
Have you seen his list? It is rather long. You're in for long wait
Montana?
If Bismarck was able to knock out its own radar from the concussion of its 15" guns I'd dread to think what damage 20" guns could do let alone be on the receiving end!
I have read that the Yamato 18.1" shock was so strong that the anti-aircraft guns had to be unmanned. No idea if that is really true, and maybe it only applied to the nearby ones.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005
This is true and not just for Yamato; ALL battleship main guns had this problem.
Knocking out the ship’s own radar or breaking the mechanical fire control computers, however, was restricted to Germany.
@@bkjeong4302 I think South Dakota tripped her circuit breakers at Guadalcanal and was without power for several minutes.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 That was more because some idiot taped all of them together, so when one tripped, they all did.
5:10 H-44💪👌🏻🔥
An in-depth analysis of the compartmentalization and armor-scheme is still pending and was there actually some sense behind it, from an engineering-perspective?
@Drachinifel Please do HMS Vanguard of 1945, the last, and best, Royal Navy battleship. Also why on earth did Britain not use Vanguard off Korea? Was it just to save money?
99IronDuke - Did you ever get an answer? As I recall, I watched a very good U-Tube video on the last British Battleship, the Vanguard. It was a least an hour long and done by a major studio. They retired it in the late 50's I think?
Robert J. Davidson Think it was early 60s but not sure...
@@GrahamCStrouse It was put in reserve in 1955 and scrapped in 1960.
I dont know about u mate but seeing all the deck space on the bow and stern in front of and behind the main turrets I think it might be possible for an H44 battleship to have 6 main turrets giving it 12 18 or possibly even 20 inch guns in an ABC XYZ layout similar to what the American cruiser Atlanta had with 6 of its 8 turrets or this H44 could've even had a double nelson turret layout
If you could please review aircraft carrier U.S.S. Ranger CV4, first aircraft carrier designed to be an aircraft carrier.
You mean after Hosho and Hermes?
@@DoddyIshamel first american carrier
Out of all the H series which is the most realistic as in could have been built and been in the war
Probably H-39 since two were laid down I think.
Amazing good job
That ships were so crazy!Seems nice but without enough fuel supplies,that was just a burden for German military at that time.
Have you done a video on 'Heavy cruiser Blücher'? Her lifetime was short, but her end was kinda funny.
Could you do the USS St. Louis (either the ship specifically or the class itself)? I also think submarines could use some videos as well, especially the I-400s. There's also some interesting paper/proposed designs such as the Friedrich der Grosse or Grosser Kurfeurst.
I was also wondering if there is a set time period for ships covered (outside of specials), or if any ship is up for grabs. If the latter is true, then I'd love to see a video on the Leda-class or the USS Pennsylvania.
Fun fact. The last remaining visible remains of a St. Louis class are a rusting breakwater at the North of Vancouver Island Canada. Near me.
Any ship is up for grabs, it's just a long list :)
Friedrich der Große and Großer Kurfurst are just the H-39 and H-41, respectively, renamed.
Imagine our. Govts reaction if we heard about H-44...20 inch guns
SEND THE TILLMANS lol
The US actually did design a battleship in 1934, armed with 8 20” guns. There were two variants, with one going at 25 knots and one going at 30 knots.
Yeemint Official what was it called
Hey Opppenheimer, Navy wants one of those bombs your building. Said something about a Kraut super battleship.
I'm sure the USN would have sent an Essex or two more than got sent after Yamato
Wow...design a ship or go to the Russian Front. Such motivation!
How many tons would a h series scaled up to 8 schwerer Gustavs displace
Y E S
I always thought these designs were meant to be leaked to the Allies in order for them to hopefully waste resources on a response while Germany builds up its army.
I got a big queation that i got in my head everytime. My queation is were there any blueprint from bismarck for upgrade? Like changing the main battery, design or something?? Ive been searching but all i got is pure wiki and other stuff.
Love it
never did fix the problem with anti-aircraft guns. I do not know what the reason was, but the American 3" has the best record of taking out aircraft, which indicates that even 40mm seems to have been too light. From what I understand the 5.9" gun on the Graf Spee scored few hits during its battle with the three British cruisers. No not only was it not very good for anti-aircraft but not so useful against cruisers, at least for the Graf Spee.
7:58 ah so it was actually build, did they hide it in Antarctica?
Anymore videos on the H44
Why does Senator Tillman come to mind here?
..big is beautyful...! :D
Would love to be excited about this , however Germany did have issue with effective use of naval units.. Not to mention the use of full on battleships as “commerce raiders” as these would surely have been, just seems uncouth
Could you do the Soviet Project 21 & 23 battleships?
Please can you add the Myoko-class to the list??
This is why I hate "War Thunder" and "World of Warships" and even "Ultimate Admiral - Dreadnoughts" where they create unrealistic capitals ships unconstrained by historical realities. I hate "Rule the Waves" for much the same reason, but also the unhistorical start points and building data. No 13.5" or 11" guns? But here's a good quick run down on constraints:
1. Germany: Kiel Canal, harbor depth, support industries (any increase in steel for ships is less steel for the army's panzers), slip limitations and the depth in the Skaggerak and much of the Baltic.
2. UK: RN considered 45,000 standard ton capital ships as "excessively large" due to only three government dry docks being able to handle such ships and only four slips from 1922 to 1945 able to build such large ships. There were two commercial slipways that built ocean liners which didn't have the infrastructure to handle large plates of armor or guns. There was the limits on draft through the Suez Canal and the limits of the Panam Canal. The atrophy of British naval industries created additional limits on the production of geared turbines and heavy guns and turrets.
3. US: The Panama Canal. Height under the Brooklyn Bridge. There were five dry docks on the West Coast including Hawaii that could handle the largest ships that could pass through the Panama Canal. Limits on cemented armor thickness. Up to 1923, the USN could build six capital ships of the largest displacement that could pass through the Panama Canal every two years and six capital ships up to 42,500 tons standard and not over 780' waterline length every two years. By 1937, this had dropped to three each, but by 1941 was four each and back to six each in 1943. BTW, the "Tillman" class BBs were within the constraints of USN infrastructure had they been authorized in 1917 and funded in 1919. The problem was that even the US couldn't build more than three every two years at 60,000 standard tons after 1924.
4. Japan: Up until 1931, launch draft was limited to 33' and launch displacement to 40,000 metric tons. This had a major effect on the design of the No.13 class. The years 1931 to 1937 were used to modernize the fleet and upgrade the infrastructure to 35 feet and 55,000 tons. It was this limit that forced the designers of the "Yamato" class to choose the second best but lighter upper and lower belt connector. There were only two slips that could build "Yamato" class capital ships and two more that could be "Shokaku" class fleet carriers. This was why the "shadow" fleet was important as such conversions could be executed pierside. The Japanese laso could build only four high power machinery sets every two years, which is why you get two "Yamato" and two "Shokaku".
5. France: The French had only one modern drydock in which large (up to 45,000 metric tons) capital ships could be built, the "Normandie" dry dock. Otherwise, the French infrastructure had recovered from the atrophy of the Great War in 1936. As it was "Richelieu" was built in three pieces.
6. Italy: The "Littorio" class was the limit for the Italians as was 15" guns. And while building these capital ships, the only other warships the Italians could build were very light cruisers/large destroyer leaders, destroyers and lighter craft. The Italians had the weakest industrial strength and economy of the so-called "Five Naval Powers".
7. Soviet Union: It was a miracle that the Soviets got as far as they did, but they still had to import the machinery , only had a single 16" gun built by 1942 and couldn't produce face-hardened or cemented armor thick enough for capital ships.
I finally understand what "NB" stands for. I feel so stupid.
i still dont....
Not built?
@@murderouskitten2577 Not/Never Built
Looking at the diagram at 6:09, is H-44 supposed to have 330 mm of deck armor? o.O
So basically unrealistic bigger and more inefficient Bismarcks
Now I know how the Kriegsmarine plays Fantasy Football.
Please make a deeper video I’m really intreaged in this
Great video, one question from me. You say the designs reflected the shortcomings of Bismarck like added protection to the rudders and screws, but did the Germans actually know the details of how Bismarck sank? I imagine none of her crew made it back to Germany until after the war
There was 2 survivors of Bismarck that were picked up by U-74 so that could be enough of details to Germany
if only if they had engough recoures and had the ship yards i would of love to see these and what would of teh kregismarine done with these ships
There's that part of me that just wants at least one of these ship built just to see how effective they will be in combat and so that they'll be added to World of Warships.
3:45 Is it a real photo? What is this gun?
It's one of the prototype guns for the H-39's, after realising the ships themselves wouldn't be built, the various H-class prototype guns were generally used in shore batteries.
@@Drachinifel Thanks for reply! Love Your content!
Can you do a video on the HNLMS De Ruyter in the future?
Well i sunk one of those H battleship in game today, well i don't know what H type it is because it just called "Berlichingen" So i don't what H battleship is it. Other than that it wasn't exciting engagement because the Berlichingen just targeting only 1 merchant ship while getting attack by bunch of my swordfish, also i assume the Berlichingen was still fresh out from the dock because i never encountered or have report from it except it is sister called Hutten (i'm still hunting her)
Wows It must be made to be in line with yamato and kreml
As always Drach, a great informative video.
I've read comments on how people rave over the "invincible" H-44 design but few of them will admit that these design were (as you pointed out) fantasy paper ships produced by people trying to avoid the Eastern front.
It would seem the Germans had learnt little from the war with these ships as they carried far too few AA weapons and those were too light by later war standards.
A point about the massive 8 inch armoured deck. was it a proper high mounted deck or still the close range brawler design which left the power and communication lines vulnerable as previous ships?
Submerged torpedo tubes are another weakness in hull strength as proven in WW1, it seems they were added as "Why not".
THe H-41 to H-44 ships also pay little attention to the blast effect those massive 19 or 20 inch guns would have on the AAA crews. Hitler wanted them invulnerable to BB's but it looks like they could be sunk bu massed carrier strikes as were the two Yamato's
big ships 250m+ are just bad.
August sinyukov
Change that to “battleships in WWII are just bad”.
Something interesting to me would’ve been an “improved” Bismarck class. Among the improvements would’ve been: more reliable engines/mechanicals, armor, rudder/propeller protection, reconfigured stern (think Iowa class), Atlantic bows from the get go, 3 - 15” guns (for 12 barrels total) per turret and much improved AA (40mm Bofors). Also much higher range.
What’s the point? It’a still a battleship in the carrier era and Germany wasn’t in a position where any large surface ships were practical.
3 years late, but I would just put 8 15-inch guns on four twin turrets(or even go H-40A and have 6 15-inch guns only) instead of 12x 15", then add either more armor(especially on the deck and torpedoes,as well as more Anti Air), and also develop some sort of Rocket Assisted Projectile, which would probably be(quite conveniently) the same 380mm rockets the sturmtiger fires, and then just use the 15-inch guns as a launch platform for these things, the gunpowder shot from then guns plus the rockets could extend the range of the guns to be comparable to that of a carrier(hopefully), of course it would need Spotters from the air, so one or both of the aft turrets getting replaced and the aft turned into a seaplane hangar/deck for spotting would be useful, and either go with 4x 15" guns on two double turrets, or go 6x guns on 2 triples, both of which all forward firing like the Nelson's and Richellieus of course, and then use the ship for shore bombardment, and as an anti air battery with all the AA guns you could fit in it.
Chief of navy: My Fuher we have reached the capacity of what we can build it is estimate of 5 years.
Hitler: Make it bigger and more invulnerable to enemy damage!
Chief of Navy: She that is unlikely and would be waste to our resources.
Hitler: I said make it bigger or will have to join the other people who didn't follow my command.
Chief of Navy: Yes... my Fuher...
The H class was part of Germany's Plan Z rearmament program which included the German aircraft carrier, Graf Zeppeli ann and th{azrschiff pocket battleships which included Deutschland and Graf Spee.
H39 was, the others not. Also, the Deutschland class was not part of the plan and had already been built in the Weimar republic.
@@daseinzigwahrem True. Germany NEVER finished the Graf Zepelin. It was abandoned after the war began and was salvaged by the Soviets and used as a target tug after the war.
I wonder how many Tall Boy's or Grand Slams it would have taken to finish one of those things off?
It took what? Four to finish off the Tirpitz?
Yes, but no. What sunk the Tirpitz was one of the tallboys that detonated close to the ship blew away enough water for the ships spine to buckle. Though the tall boys for sure rendered the ship inoperable, i'm not sure those that hit would have actually sunk it. Unless they detonated an ammo storage ofc.
Tall boy detonated near the tirpitz and damaged her rudder rendered her inoperable
@@carlosperry4301 I think you're mixing the Bismark and Tirpitz
Here is a link to a report on the loss of the Tirpitz:
www.kbismarck.com/tirpitz-technical-report.html
Without air superiority these ships would meet the same fate as the Yamato and the like.
Is H 39 scheme B the FDG in WoWs?
Q&A Why did Germany continue with twin turrets when it was clear that triple turrets could have reduced the overall length and increased armor protection over the shorter area? Triple turrets for 16" guns goes all the way back to 1927 with the Nelsons. Why did the Germans persist with the 5.9" single purpose guns? The mix of SP and DP 4.1" guns again increased length and decreased armor protection. DP armament featured on US cruisers from the 1929 Pensacola class onwards, plus the Washington/South Dakota battleships, all completed or under construction by the time of the H class designs. Did the Germans not have the capability build large caliber triple turrets? Did they tactically not understand the value of DP armament?
Well germans couldn't even get AoN scheme right because of falling back in navy design, so my guess would be same issue in triple turrets as well - not knowing how to do them right
@@РоманБекиров-с4м No, it wasn't only used by the Americans and wasn't just for the Pacific. The first all or nothing battleships were the British Nelson class and French Dunkerque-class. The US, starting with the Nevada class, used a modified all or nothing scheme due to the lessons of Jutland. There was nothing about the Atlantic or even the Channel outside the Strait of Dover that would obviate the possibility of long range plunging fire.
@Sar Jim , due to the fact the germans scuttled and/or burned all ship designs (including triple turret designs) around the end of WWI to prevent them from falling into british/french hands (similar to what happened to the Yamato designs) . the germans had to pretty much start from scratch when they started to rebuild their navy in the 1930s.
Germany couldn't design battleships in the interwar perioid due to the treaty of Versailles. When they resumed battleship construction in the thirties, they had no design experience after ww1. This resulted their new ships having many design faults (obsolete armour scheme, no triple turrets, main fire control center above the armoured deck etc.)
@@jcgamer892 I understand that, but they also had the advantage of the Abwehr, a well developed intelligence network, from 1921 forward. They certainly knew what the Americans, British, and French were building in terms of battleships, and their future plans for more battleships. The inability to build new battleships hampered some technological improvements, but the Deutschland class and Scharnhorst class ships all had triple 11" turrets so the concept wasn't a mystery. Why did the Bismarck and H Classes revert to twin turrets?
any plans for colossus and/or majestic class CVL video?
Maybe a video about Sovetsy Soyuz
Just curious if you could further specify which NCM epic music Ender Gurney song you use as your theme please?
The three Rutters on the H39 changed the turning radius compared to Bismarck and scharnhorst in 144 scale models
R/C models?
It totally makes sense that the extra rudder on the centerline would help in this respect, as it is in the propeller wash and as a result gives the ship some degree of thrust vectoring when steaming ahead- especially useful at low speeds. I was always perplexed by the fact that German heavy units seemed to invariably have twin rudders mounted between the outer screws and the centerline one. It's as if they were going out of their way to avoid having the rudders in the prop wash- perhaps vibration of the rudder was a concern?
Yeah Rc model all three of them
It would be interesting to see them in commerce raiding.
I believe that the German designers had failed to appreciate the old shipbuilding axiom - 'one nail drives another'. Clearly, these ships would have been difficult to sink but economically they would have been disastrous to build. And still a torpedo hit in the running gear would put them in dry dock for a year if they managed to get back to port at all
Am I the only one who finds it strange that they were still putting torpedo tubes on battleships?
Has a battleship ever sunk another ship with a torpedo? I understand HMS Rodney fired some torpedoes at Bismark, but there's no indication that they actually hit.
@Nguyen Johnathan im pretty sure torpedo is more expensive than cannon shell
Rodney hit the Bismarck with 1 24.5 inch Torpedo
Got to protect against suicidal polish destroyers
I thought there was an H-45 as well that was just a bit bigger - could be wrong
@HaloLoreNerd - ty - I thought it maybe was the ultimate crazy design version - too big to turn around in the Mediterranean sea even - not a fantasy football internet thingee
#279 Project H-44, Design C. Main Armament, eight 60 cm. rifles. Secondary Armament, twelve 21 cm. rifles. Heavy Anti-Aircraft Armament, sixteen 15 cm. 48 cal. AA rifles. Sixteen 10.5 mm. 65 cal. AA rifles. Twenty-four 40 mm. AA rifles. Twenty-eight 37 mm. AA rifles. Forty 20 mm. AA rifles.
The Germans should have just built the 20inch Gunned battleship, imagine operation Rhine with a ship like that in the Atlantic
Also imagine the huge amounts of steel and oil needed to build and run this floating brick.
@@daseinzigwahrem and imagine how much it would take to sink it.
How many dreadnought battleships had 5 tournettes?
It seems like it would have just been easier to build a bridge from France to England, and a lot more interesting.
I wish they kept those ships as museums till this day
They never existed.
Okay, where does this notion that the later H designs were serious design projects come from? As far as I know, they were just design studies to see what it would take to make a battleship theoretically immune to air attacks, the typical dive bomber ordnance in particular.
They quite nicely show that it would be anything but practical to construct a ship like this, especially because airborne bombs continued to grow ever more effective.
Wy not four trippel turetts , for german Battleship 16 inch Guns, looks U.S.Montana Class.
I remember hearing at some point that Hitler wanted the H-44s to carry the 80 cm railway guns any sources like that?
Nope. Complete fiction.