@@ClarenceFudWeasel I was at the National Computer Museum at Bletchly Park Last week. The Turing Welchman Bombe (for decoding Enigma) had a mechanical feedback loop added to improve performance. Elegant indeed!
A very informative video Mr Fud-Weasel and appropriately title of your video especially if anyone tried to making the settings and failed because of the lack of knowledge and tools necessary if not criticality needed as well as the proper factory workshop manual, I don't blame you for putting off this video for a while, 10/10 for peresentation and showing the tools required (I wished every video was like that in the beginning) and the sections of each adjustments, 👍 no need to thank me for watching but thank you for showing.🙂
You explained that well Clarence! I recently refurbished my lift cover on my 1966 MF 165. I replaced the lift cylinder & piston. I didn't have the tools to set the various control settings, so I took it to guy who was a former MF service mechanic who did. You are right - if you get those settings wrong it can get very ugly in less than a second!
Good video but I have a very good mechanic friend who is very good at fixing Massey's and I think I will leave it to him you know what they say every man has his trade it's nice to see you back on top form 🙂
Good day. Have my 1967 MF 135 with Power Control Unit that I’m working on the three point. Where I’m stuck at is that I can’t find a specific manual for my tractor. Where did you find all the special tools required to set the timing, such as those blocks?
Well Mr fud that job would fill me with terror and I would definitely backheel it and leave to a expert. Your knowledge and knowhow makes your videos good viewing as these skills (with the onset of laptops and electronics) will be lost forever. Interesting viewing..👍 Clarence
Hi their. Firstly Great information there. I am fixing up a 135 and the pressure control ajuster spring is in three bits ,well broken. I can't find one for sale or a part number for it. I wonder if you know the part number for it or where I could get my hands on a spring. Thanks and keep up the good work.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel I have a problem at the minute with a 168, same as you are working on in this video series. if there is a load on toplink such as a fert spreader, lift cylinder pressure drops like a stone, with no load on toplink can get 3000psi in the lift cylinder, without issue. Thus I conclude its somehow related to the draft. I guess I should give some background, top cover was removed to put new piston rings in lift cylinder and replace control valve few mths ago. All was perfect prior to the aforementioned mechanical work, 3000psi in lift cylinder without issue., lift was constantly compensating which necessitated the mechanical repair. Is it a case of reopen the top cover again and readjust draft lever positioning.
Great video, done one not that long ago. Got the tools from VL Churchill. Would you be able to do one on a mk3 cover? Different tools and procedure needed. Thanks
@@ClarenceFudWeasel if it has it doesn’t work 🤣. Funny enough, being merc, is a weird set up and to be honest, I’ve never actually looked into it to see how it works properly. I think your right, it works of the lower linkage but I’ll have to check now🤣
@@ClarenceFudWeasel so would I now!🤣 I no there’s some stuff under the rear deck behind the top link but I’m sure it’s not attached. The mogs didn’t have anything till about the 80s when they had terramatic (if I remember right) which was an electronic control system
@@casto- you'll have to share some pictures of what you find. I wonder if the terramatic was related to the Bosch system used on the early MF electronic
Well, that's decided that for me. I'm not touching that bit of the tractor. Hopefully, 1 of the 2 jobs I'll farm out. The other is the injector pump and injectors!
@ClarenceFudWeasel 1976 mf 165. She's had a hard life and little to no maintenance in the last number of years. Up until it was imported into Ireland, she would appear to have been looked after
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It was an excellent presentation, but you lost me at the first turn. When I first got a real tractor (I inherited my FIL’s Massey Ferguson 175), I learned a lesson about how incredibly powerful the 3 point hydraulic lift is. I was pulling a small trailer on the drawbar and one of the lift arms swung under the tongue. I realized that it would be better to carry the arms higher so I hit the up lever. The lift arm did not clear the tongue and it crimped a bend in a pretty stout tongue before I could have a second thought. So, having seen that, I have full respect for your warning that a tiny lapse in judgment can have a catastrophic result and the damage is done long before you could possibly react. Shade tree mechanics have been warned. 🥸👍👀✅
Something I'll probably never do but always good to know.
Its impressive how they worked out stuff like this when these things were originally built.
I agree, it's getting on for 90 years old and a completely self contained mechanical feedback loop. It's a very elegant solution to a problem.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel I was at the National Computer Museum at Bletchly Park Last week. The Turing Welchman Bombe (for decoding Enigma) had a mechanical feedback loop added to improve performance. Elegant indeed!
@@keithmatthews1673 it just shows what can be done without having to resort to electronics.
Excellent video as always.
I have to do my 165 and will be spending wisely with Mr Churchill 😊
Thank you.
It's money well spent and I can't believe you will only use them once 🙂
A very informative video Mr Fud-Weasel and appropriately title of your video especially if anyone tried to making the settings and failed because of the lack of knowledge and tools necessary if not criticality needed as well as the proper factory workshop manual, I don't blame you for putting off this video for a while, 10/10 for peresentation and showing the tools required (I wished every video was like that in the beginning) and the sections of each adjustments, 👍 no need to thank me for watching but thank you for showing.🙂
I'm going to thank you anyway😁
Your welcome as always.🙂
Definitely one of those jobs that the manual and correct tools and thorough checking and rechecking are needed ! Nice walk through of the procedure:)
Thank you, that's appreciated.
Hope your health is back to levels from years past . Enjoyed the video. 💡🍺👌
Thank you for taking the trouble to watch. It's appreciated.
That is pretty intensive stuff Clarence 🤔 best left to the experts 👌 hope your recovery coming along well 👍
Pretty much there now thanks.
Thank you for watching.
Very informative Mr CFW thanks. I did mine to the book and it hasn't self destructed so i'll call that a win!
Definitely a win! Good job.
Thanks for watching.
Great job Clarence, very well explained💯👌👍🙏😎
And thank you for watching.
You explained that well Clarence! I recently refurbished my lift cover on my 1966 MF 165. I replaced the lift cylinder & piston. I didn't have the tools to set the various control settings, so I took it to guy who was a former MF service mechanic who did. You are right - if you get those settings wrong it can get very ugly in less than a second!
That's true, I have seen several gone wrong over the last few months, so I decided to put the video out.
Thanks for watching.
Nice to hear an engineer describing things. A steel rule and end float are proper terminology becoming lost these days. ❤
We may be showing our age here 😁
Thanks for watching.
Good video but I have a very good mechanic friend who is very good at fixing Massey's and I think I will leave it to him you know what they say every man has his trade it's nice to see you back on top form 🙂
Thanks, it's good to be back.
Good stuff. It is interesting to have it explained.
Thanks for looking in. From you, that's praise indeed!
Think I'd of been unwell knowing a job like that was waiting for me 🙈 thanks for sharing your knowledge. 👍
And thank you for watching it.
Great video as always keep up the great work and videos you always learn something by looking at your videos mind yourself
Thanks, and thank you for watching.
I've witnessed the guy from the pub doing this, when it was tested it kept building pressure and spilt the head in 2 🫣 very informative video 👍
An expensive mistake 😦
Thanks for watching
Doing that to my MF 250 gave me the absolute horrors. I don't know how many times I checked everything before daring to reassemble it and test it!
It doesn't take much to go from success to disaster, you definitely did it right.
Thanks for watching.
Good day. Have my 1967 MF 135 with Power Control Unit that I’m working on the three point. Where I’m stuck at is that I can’t find a specific manual for my tractor. Where did you find all the special tools required to set the timing, such as those blocks?
Well Mr fud that job would fill me with terror and I would definitely backheel it and leave to a expert. Your knowledge and knowhow makes your videos good viewing as these skills (with the onset of laptops and electronics) will be lost forever. Interesting viewing..👍 Clarence
Thank you, that's appreciated.
You are not kidding about whether you can do this job or not. It has to be done just right.
It certainly does!
Thanks for watching.
Great video. Me personally I'd leave this job to someone who's experienced in setting these parts but I would love to be torght how to do it myself.
Glad you enjoyed it. Take a look at Bundy Bear's channel, he has som excellent educational videos.
Hi their. Firstly Great information there. I am fixing up a 135 and the pressure control ajuster spring is in three bits ,well broken. I can't find one for sale or a part number for it. I wonder if you know the part number for it or where I could get my hands on a spring. Thanks and keep up the good work.
AGCO dealers should be able to sort you out, the same spring was used to my knowledge in the 600 series and possibly into the 300
pressure control - is that setting the pressure relief valve for the overall hydraulic system, great video btw
On early models, the pressure control valve acted as the relief valve too.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel I have a problem at the minute with a 168, same as you are working on in this video series. if there is a load on toplink such as a fert spreader, lift cylinder pressure drops like a stone, with no load on toplink can get 3000psi in the lift cylinder, without issue. Thus I conclude its somehow related to the draft.
I guess I should give some background, top cover was removed to put new piston rings in lift cylinder and replace control valve few mths ago. All was perfect prior to the aforementioned mechanical work, 3000psi in lift cylinder without issue., lift was constantly compensating which necessitated the mechanical repair. Is it a case of reopen the top cover again and readjust draft lever positioning.
Well said, very informative.
Thank you, that's appreciated.
Awesome videos! Can you tell me what manual would have the settings listed, my shop manual only list the break down of the hydraulic parts.
You can find the copies of the genuine MF manuals on eBay for not too much money.
Great video, done one not that long ago. Got the tools from VL Churchill. Would you be able to do one on a mk3 cover? Different tools and procedure needed. Thanks
I will do at some point, just getting round to it.
Good job. Bravo
Thank you.
One question, where can I buy the manual to make the settings?
Greetings Federico
eBay always has a good selection at a reasonable price. Make sure you get the right model and year though.
No intention of doing this to my 550 but why would you need to do this adjustment in the first place??
Usually only needed after a hydraulic service or breakdown
Great video, do you know who can do this for me around Lancashire or surrounding areas?
That's a good question, I'll see what I can find. Otherwise Clark and Pullman at Omskirk will do it, but it will be £££.
Brilliant thank you
Never though I’d say this but I’m glad I’ve a merc, it’s simpler 😉😁
Your MB is lower link sensing isn't it?
@@ClarenceFudWeasel if it has it doesn’t work 🤣. Funny enough, being merc, is a weird set up and to be honest, I’ve never actually looked into it to see how it works properly. I think your right, it works of the lower linkage but I’ll have to check now🤣
@@casto- I'd be interested to find out, never worked on one. 🙂
@@ClarenceFudWeasel so would I now!🤣 I no there’s some stuff under the rear deck behind the top link but I’m sure it’s not attached. The mogs didn’t have anything till about the 80s when they had terramatic (if I remember right) which was an electronic control system
@@casto- you'll have to share some pictures of what you find. I wonder if the terramatic was related to the Bosch system used on the early MF electronic
This is one of the reasons why I don't like Massiv Failures... I don't have any luck with them. 😅😅
But it's a beautifully designed mechanical feedback loop, how can you not love it 😁
Well, that's decided that for me. I'm not touching that bit of the tractor. Hopefully, 1 of the 2 jobs I'll farm out. The other is the injector pump and injectors!
Good luck with it. What are you working on?
@ClarenceFudWeasel 1976 mf 165. She's had a hard life and little to no maintenance in the last number of years. Up until it was imported into Ireland, she would appear to have been looked after
This is a job I will leave to someone who knows what they are doing.
Check and double check, that's the secret 🙂
This strange occurrence: I liked the video @ beginning. I had to leave for a moment. When I returned, my like had been removed. This is upsetting.
RUclips is behaving very strangely. It unsubscribes people, turns off notifications and more. I expect they have their reasons to do it.
Thanks for your support.
In other words, Don't try this at home folks!
I'm not going to argue with you 😁
Thanks for watching.
Excellent video - certainly not to be taken lightly!
Thanks for watching.
It was an excellent presentation, but you lost me at the first turn. When I first got a real tractor (I inherited my FIL’s Massey Ferguson 175), I learned a lesson about how incredibly powerful the 3 point hydraulic lift is. I was pulling a small trailer on the drawbar and one of the lift arms swung under the tongue. I realized that it would be better to carry the arms higher so I hit the up lever. The lift arm did not clear the tongue and it crimped a bend in a pretty stout tongue before I could have a second thought. So, having seen that, I have full respect for your warning that a tiny lapse in judgment can have a catastrophic result and the damage is done long before you could possibly react. Shade tree mechanics have been warned. 🥸👍👀✅
Oh yes, and the lift at the end of the arms is a tiny fraction of the force on the piston rod!
Thanks for watching 🙂
Good advice there as usual 👍👍