Mary Cain, you have the most beautiful smile and tears. You made it through the heroes journey and you show others how to. It’s heartbreaking to hear how you were abandoned in so many moments by your ‘team’. Yet you never gave up on yourself, this is clear. I’m so grateful to hear your story and share your emotions. I wish you much joy in moments you have ahead.
Watched this late yesterday and spent my entire night in a semi-dream state filled with unexamined and unresolved memories of my own experience in an abusive elite sports environment. So much of what Mary talks about resonates deeply. This gifted woman, with her courage to be vulnerable, her incisive mind, open heart, and articulate voice, is also a gift to others. Rich's observations are spot on and add to the gravity and illumination of her story. This is more than a podcast. It's a megaphone.
So well stated David. Yours was the first comment to pop up for me. Thank you for writing your beautiful words. And I am sorry you endured an abusive elite sports environment. We can do better.
Hi Rich, just came across this vid with Mary Cain. What an awesome interview. My wife and I were professional runners in the 80's and 90's and my wife, Ruth, won the Olympic Trials 1500 meters in 1984. This was at a time of rampant steroid use, especially with the Eastern Bloc athletes. What Kara Goucher and Mary Cain have done is blow the lid off the culture at Nike regarding the use of PED's and now, the culture of systemic abuse of athletes. We watched Mary at the NOP and knew something was not right, taking an immensely talented young athlete with a bright future, and ruining her. Fortunately, Alberto is gone for good. These are 2 of the bravest women we have seen and we are huge supporters of each of them. Kara knows that already. Can you please let Mary know that she has 2 more big fans? Thanks for the great interview!
Wow, what a phenomenal interview and woman. She shared such an important view point on sport. As an elite athlete as a young person, there were so many paralels to my own story that I didn't even remember or recognise had such a mental impact. Thank you for all the work you are doing to make the elite sport space a safer space. Thank you Rich for always holding such an incredible amount of space for the person you are interviewing, a true master of this.
She is a beacon of light not only for women in sports but for so many people across all walks of life. There are a ton of systemic miss-used and poorly-justified assumptions and practices in most disciplines across sport and business. When we see something, we need to say something and she’s proof of how hard it is to do, but also how rewarding it is to us and those around us when we do. Great work, Mary and thanks to Rich for bringing this conversation to light.
I think that’s what Kaepernick’s intent was…”when you see something, say something”. It didn’t work out well for him. And this is why people don’t speak up. Especially when your livelihood depends on those you speak against. Great job Mary! I am looking forward to how this next generation changes some of the toxic culture we have all accepted as normal and ok.
Wow! This is the first time I've heard mental health issues framed as injuries. Further, understanding that injuries can be healed but that there is always some percentage of the injury that is chronic and requires regular training to avoid further injury is such a helpful analogy
Thank you for interviewing Mary! Man she absolutely rocks! I am so happy hear that she is doing Atalanta NY! So often this stuff is never talked about. Rich has such great conversations on so important subjects. I love when new conversations are posted. Thank you RRP!
When Salazar was the hottest runner on the planet and set the record in the NYC Marathon, I read a Runner's World article in which he said that he did not want to just beat his opponent. He wanted to destroy his opponent. I remember thinking, "What a jerk."
Thank you Rich, thank you Mary. This is one of the best interviews i have watched, and listened to. Thank you Mary for your honesty, and openness to the battles you encountered. Your interview skills Rich are a lesson to us all. 🙏
There were times when I just wanted to put my arms around Mary and hug her hard. Abusers and abuse comes in many forms, but fortunately their methods are predictable. I call the process of abuse The Mushroom Syndrome and it's a two-step process: 1. Keep them in the dark. This means the abuser isolates the person(s) by cutting off contact with parents, family, loved ones, supporters, information and perspectives that gives any hint of challenging the perpetrator's desired narrative. 2. Feed them shit. Lie to the person(s) the abuser wants to control and anyone that person has access to so that the abuser's narrative is the ONLY narrative. They drive a wedge between the person and their inner voice, inner guidance system, self-confidence, moral compass. Sew confusion, gaslight, claim it was all a misunderstanding or miscommunication. Where ever there is power or authority over another person(s), there needs to be transparency, clear definitions and boundaries, processes, checks and balances in the system. Kudos to Mary for speaking her truth and becoming a way-shower and building a better way! Thank you both for putting this interview into the public domain. Lots of love!
Wow what a brave beautiful story - that was an amazing interview. I feel honoured and moved to witness a lap of Mary’s healing and it was refreshing and heart-piercing to see a man hold the space for that kind of raw vulnerability. I can’t wait to see how Mary helps change the landscape of women’s sports, simply by being her honest, real self. Thanks for this 🙏
This was the MOST amazing interviewing. I deeply applaud Mary Cain in her fierce honesty and humility, and sense of purpose and giving back.. An amazing role model.. Please Rich Roll, have more of Mary and women athletes like her! Her intermittent tears were such honest expressions of the trauma and emotional impact of what she's been through.. Her strength to simply allow them to fall and then allow them to pass without particular drama, except for the dramatic import of each story, showed her power and capacity to show up in each moment.. I loved her. Her hard-won wisdom, and easy energy, and her clearly being a "nice" person. More of Mary! Super inspiring!
Mary I'm so sorry for everything you went through and continue to work through. I'm very proud of you and all that your standing up for. Taking the horrible things you went through and using them for good. I had C-PTSD as well, 58 years old and still working through some stuff. Mine wasn't through sports or being an athlete, but can truly relate. When you cried I cried. I wanted to climb through and just hold you tight. I can totally resonate with where was everyone when they saw you falling apart, breaking down, doing self destructive behaviors?? That was one of my biggest trauma to heal. It's like I was invisible and that's what I got from you. They saw you, but did nothing. It's like drowning and noone throws you a life raft. They watch! Thank you for sharing your story, thank you Rich for another great podcast. I'm sending you lots of love Mary and big hugs. Use the amazing support around you and mentorship to heal and propel you to be the best you can be and to make a huge difference in this world. Love to you both. You just helped me heal another notch in my journey. Much love 💘 ⚘🧡🌱🐾🏃♀️🤗💛
Thank you Mary for exposing what many of us thought might be going on but were fleeced. What Mary shares with the world opens many "cans of worms". She mentions trust. Learning the food and drug industry cares more about the bottom dollar than they care about people sent me into depression in my 20's then I realized I am glad I now know. Now I know I must be responsible for my path. A parents fear when we see this happens to our kids when we "trusted" mentors that didn't deserve that title. "What doesn't kill us makes us stronger." " Its not what happens to us, it's what we do afterwards". Thank you Mary, you are a brave soul! ☮❤⚖🇺🇸🌎
I loved this episode so much. Thank you for sharing your pain so openly, Mary - and thank you Rich for creating this save platform for people to share their stories with you, you're a wonderful and empathic host. Love from Austria
Thank you for sharing your story. I served 10 years in the US Army and your struggle parallels trying to challenge the toxic culture that allows sexual harassment and assault. “Go along to get along”, “If you tell, you’re not one of the team”, etc.
Mary Cain's story broke my heart for her. I remember seeing the NY TIMES video and feeling so angry against Nike and Salazar. And now hearing Mary open up, in detail about the entire experience 🤬. The only way to force Nike to examine it's shameful behavior and (hopefully) change their programs for the better, is too vote with your wallet. Don't buy Nike gear. Mary, you are a role model. Your vulnerability, your ability to clearly illustrate what for have been through, to rise from the SHIT you had to deal with stronger, brighter, braver is an inspiration 💖. GO MARY!!!
Her pain is palpable, her intelligence so apparent. Amazing discussion. Amazing person. Kudos to you RR for making this interview a reality and for allowing Mary to further share her story. Make no mistake -- this was difficult to watch/listen/hear at times. She's such a tender soul and was simply gut-wrenching to learn of the abuses she had to endure. How one human being, let alone a behemoth like Nike, could do that to her (and so many others) is sick and sickening. I never liked their ill-fitting gear anyway and they will never get another hard-earned penny of my for as long as I live. Hope others would consider 'speaking' with their dollars as well. Best wishes Mary. The world needs you and you obviously have an incredibly bright future making this world a better place in which to live. Many thanks Rich.
Absolutely shameful and disgraceful the way Salazar and other coaches are treating female athletes. Good for Mary for speaking out for all of the other women athletes who are too afraid, too in denial, or too silenced to do the same.
Jordan Hasay, Sifan Hassan, Shannon Rowbury, Mary Slaney, Trenier Moser were coached under Salazar (besides Kara Goucher and Amy Begley) I don't think it is fair to necessarily demonize Salazar for having such high standards for female athletes. There wasn't this huge breakdown of female athletes under Salazar. He actually transformed most of them for the better (whether or not through PEDS would be a different conversation)
Such an amazing episode, mary cain thank you for all the inspiration that you sparking, and for you rich roll thank you for this podcast a good Interviewer is the one that know to listen to his guests and you definitely know how to do that 👏👏👏
Mary Cain, you are an awesome human being and athlete! Rich, you rock for bringing her on to share this story. Thank you Mary for sharing your story and tears. And now the time you're giving to educate and promote an amazing training environment for other female runners. Never feel as though you have to dismiss those tears. Those tears are real and a reflection of abuse experienced. Your strength is evident and your inspiration amazing!!!! Thank you!!.
She’s inspiring and compelling-a true account and heroine journey through which her struggles help liberate not just herself but millions of others. I want to share her strength and story with my athletic teen daughters.
That was so interesting and inspiring I look forward to seeing the many amazing things Mary will add to her already incredible contribution to sports and women’s rights and of course Riches Shepherding of the story was masterful! Here’s hoping NIKE figures out how badly they have blundered and shape up!
I remember in college running cc, I was running next to this girl she was heavier than I was 115 she had to be about 150. This girl kicked my ass so bad. Some people are built on the be bigger side and it does not affect their performance. Look at some athletes today they don't fit the "type". Mary was so good and what a waste of talent, I feel so bad for her. She was so young and went through so much and still kept her self up. She is physically and emotionally strong, I have so much respect for her. Coaches can be controlling jerks (putting it mildly). This should not have happened and it needs to be fix, come on Nike, be true to your self and admit that you messed up, admit that you fail and do the right thing.... instead of "just do it" how about "Do it right"
To play devil's advocate, it sounds like they treated her like the professional adult and greatest of all time champion that she admits she wanted to be. Did Salazar treat her differently than Sifan Hassan and Jordan Hasay and Shannon Rowbury and Mary Slaney? Although I am not condoning Alberto Salazar's methods (yes, I don't believe he is a clean coach and would dope his athletes), there is a fine line between "Boot Camp" to turn athletes at such a high level into Champions vs outright Abuse. Why is it the narrative as though she was a victim of MeToo or some type of inappropriate sexual misconduct? "Grooming?" I do not believe Salazar had some ugly motive to groom and abuse her based on his other athletes like Rupp who was also "groomed" at a young age to become one of the most successful American Born distance runners of all time.
I am so THRILLED to hear from Mary Cain! Agree Delta is the way to fly... NYC is the greatest city.. I miss it so much. Also, this makes me so angry. She is going to save so many girls. Kudos to Crouse and Goucher and Felix and Montano and all the other women I now follow thanks to Mary Cain. Oiselle.
This was an amazing interview. I'm now sitting wondering what is happening to the other young elite girls/women that are now regularly breaking records every time they run. Will this be enough to right the ship? I hope that things are changing. Thank you.
Focus in the way that young lady tells her story,gives you all the pain and the mental load she carried along.Her tone is fragmented and sounds like she is one step before crying.All the truth is that she paid the price of being compatible.Thank God she didn't lose contact with her family.
“The scary thing about abuse is that the reason it takes years for people to come out is because so often they don’t even know that’s what it was.” Damn, that hits so hard 🥺
Mary is awesome! Rich, come on man! You couldn’t slide her some tissues? If she were sharing in “the rooms” someone would have gotten her tissue right away! Just saying. Great show as usual 😊
What was her professional contract with Nike? Did she have to be coached by Salazar? Could she have trained with Schumacher's group with Shalane? Is it the coach that chooses their athletes or is it the athlete who chooses their coaches?
When you are training hard and operating with a calorie deficit you become more and more injury prone, especially as a woman. Your body cannot rebuild after the stresses of hard workouts and over time, that cumulative stress causes serious problems. Add in a toxic team environment, mentally abusive coaches....you have a recipe for disaster, hence her physical and mental health deterioration.
Please consider working on your response when a guest breaks down and cries. Maybe don’t talk over them as they cry and instead try just being in the moment with them and express verbally or non-verbally a little sympathy/compassion. Otherwise such an insightful, incisive, intelligent conversation. Thank you.
Just an awful coach. All athletes are different and some people just can't function below certain body fat percentages. How did he not know basic stuff like this
Running fast = being skinny 😬 This is such a misconception. Yes, weight loss can make running faster easier, but your body will naturally dictate how "skinny" it wants to be provided the nutrition (and everything else) is there to support the actual running. Not everyone is the same size when they reach their speed potential.
It’s ppl like here who make it easy for our American women to complain cry and point the figure when things don’t go well instead of getting up and keep going it take time she was going from college to the Olympics her attitude is awful making America look lazy
No, it was not next. You are crazy if you are going to outwardly call Salazar a sex offender without any prior convictions or even accusations. You might as well call someone racist without knowing anything about them. Get educated.
Thanks for watching! To read/learn more about Mary (+show notes) visit: bit.ly/richroll611
Mary Cain, you have the most beautiful smile and tears. You made it through the heroes journey and you show others how to. It’s heartbreaking to hear how you were abandoned in so many moments by your ‘team’. Yet you never gave up on yourself, this is clear. I’m so grateful to hear your story and share your emotions. I wish you much joy in moments you have ahead.
when a purple man meets a purple woman! wowow this episode is so beautiful
Watched this late yesterday and spent my entire night in a semi-dream state filled with unexamined and unresolved memories of my own experience in an abusive elite sports environment. So much of what Mary talks about resonates deeply. This gifted woman, with her courage to be vulnerable, her incisive mind, open heart, and articulate voice, is also a gift to others. Rich's observations are spot on and add to the gravity and illumination of her story. This is more than a podcast. It's a megaphone.
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So well stated David. Yours was the first comment to pop up for me. Thank you for writing your beautiful words. And I am sorry you endured an abusive elite sports environment. We can do better.
@@womencaninternational8873 thank you!
This was so good, she is so articulate. I hope the very best for her in her future, and as a doctor!
Hi Rich, just came across this vid with Mary Cain. What an awesome interview. My wife and I were professional runners in the 80's and 90's and my wife, Ruth, won the Olympic Trials 1500 meters in 1984. This was at a time of rampant steroid use, especially with the Eastern Bloc athletes.
What Kara Goucher and Mary Cain have done is blow the lid off the culture at Nike regarding the use of PED's and now, the culture of systemic abuse of athletes. We watched Mary at the NOP and knew something was not right, taking an immensely talented young athlete with a bright future, and ruining her. Fortunately, Alberto is gone for good.
These are 2 of the bravest women we have seen and we are huge supporters of each of them. Kara knows that already. Can you please let Mary know that she has 2 more big fans? Thanks for the great interview!
Even if you disregard all of Mary's running accomplishments, she is one heck of an amazing person. Great interview. Thanks for sharing.
“I never let myself get psyched out. My motto is “stay calm and carry on.” -Mary Cain
With love, Visual Venture ❤️
Wow, what a phenomenal interview and woman. She shared such an important view point on sport. As an elite athlete as a young person, there were so many paralels to my own story that I didn't even remember or recognise had such a mental impact. Thank you for all the work you are doing to make the elite sport space a safer space. Thank you Rich for always holding such an incredible amount of space for the person you are interviewing, a true master of this.
She is a great example of courage and grit. Bravo Mary!
She is a beacon of light not only for women in sports but for so many people across all walks of life. There are a ton of systemic miss-used and poorly-justified assumptions and practices in most disciplines across sport and business. When we see something, we need to say something and she’s proof of how hard it is to do, but also how rewarding it is to us and those around us when we do. Great work, Mary and thanks to Rich for bringing this conversation to light.
I think that’s what Kaepernick’s intent was…”when you see something, say something”. It didn’t work out well for him. And this is why people don’t speak up. Especially when your livelihood depends on those you speak against. Great job Mary! I am looking forward to how this next generation changes some of the toxic culture we have all accepted as normal and ok.
Mary is the epitome of Girl Power! She’s going places! Amazing!
Wow! This is the first time I've heard mental health issues framed as injuries. Further, understanding that injuries can be healed but that there is always some percentage of the injury that is chronic and requires regular training to avoid further injury is such a helpful analogy
You should listen to the Alexi Pappas interview. She frames her mental health journey that way. Also a great interview.
Thank you for interviewing Mary! Man she absolutely rocks! I am so happy hear that she is doing Atalanta NY! So often this stuff is never talked about. Rich has such great conversations on so important subjects. I love when new conversations are posted. Thank you RRP!
This is one of my favorite episodes you've done... heartbreaking but ultimately a hopeful story. Mary is amazing!
When Salazar was the hottest runner on the planet and set the record in the NYC Marathon, I read a Runner's World article in which he said that he did not want to just beat his opponent. He wanted to destroy his opponent. I remember thinking, "What a jerk."
Thank you Rich, thank you Mary. This is one of the best interviews i have watched, and listened to. Thank you Mary for your honesty, and openness to the battles you encountered. Your interview skills Rich are a lesson to us all. 🙏
Mary, you are a beautiful human. Thank you for being brave and sharing in such a real way. You are making wonderful change in the world.
There were times when I just wanted to put my arms around Mary and hug her hard. Abusers and abuse comes in many forms, but fortunately their methods are predictable. I call the process of abuse The Mushroom Syndrome and it's a two-step process:
1. Keep them in the dark. This means the abuser isolates the person(s) by cutting off contact with parents, family, loved ones, supporters, information and perspectives that gives any hint of challenging the perpetrator's desired narrative.
2. Feed them shit. Lie to the person(s) the abuser wants to control and anyone that person has access to so that the abuser's narrative is the ONLY narrative. They drive a wedge between the person and their inner voice, inner guidance system, self-confidence, moral compass. Sew confusion, gaslight, claim it was all a misunderstanding or miscommunication.
Where ever there is power or authority over another person(s), there needs to be transparency, clear definitions and boundaries, processes, checks and balances in the system. Kudos to Mary for speaking her truth and becoming a way-shower and building a better way! Thank you both for putting this interview into the public domain. Lots of love!
Well said and agree 🧡⚘
Wow what a brave beautiful story - that was an amazing interview. I feel honoured and moved to witness a lap of Mary’s healing and it was refreshing and heart-piercing to see a man hold the space for that kind of raw vulnerability. I can’t wait to see how Mary helps change the landscape of women’s sports, simply by being her honest, real self. Thanks for this 🙏
This was the MOST amazing interviewing. I deeply applaud Mary Cain in her fierce honesty and humility, and sense of purpose and giving back.. An amazing role model.. Please Rich Roll, have more of Mary and women athletes like her! Her intermittent tears were such honest expressions of the trauma and emotional impact of what she's been through.. Her strength to simply allow them to fall and then allow them to pass without particular drama, except for the dramatic import of each story, showed her power and capacity to show up in each moment.. I loved her. Her hard-won wisdom, and easy energy, and her clearly being a "nice" person. More of Mary! Super inspiring!
i think we can all say that we're proud of her.
Mary I'm so sorry for everything you went through and continue to work through. I'm very proud of you and all that your standing up for. Taking the horrible things you went through and using them for good.
I had C-PTSD as well, 58 years old and still working through some stuff. Mine wasn't through sports or being an athlete, but can truly relate. When you cried I cried. I wanted to climb through and just hold you tight. I can totally resonate with where was everyone when they saw you falling apart, breaking down, doing self destructive behaviors?? That was one of my biggest trauma to heal. It's like I was invisible and that's what I got from you. They saw you, but did nothing. It's like drowning and noone throws you a life raft. They watch!
Thank you for sharing your story, thank you Rich for another great podcast. I'm sending you lots of love Mary and big hugs.
Use the amazing support around you and mentorship to heal and propel you to be the best you can be and to make a huge difference in this world. Love to you both. You just helped me heal another notch in my journey. Much love 💘 ⚘🧡🌱🐾🏃♀️🤗💛
Wow. Rich….Mary….amazing, honest, vulnerable, sweet, and strong.
The camera quality and lighting setup is on another level.
Thank you Mary for exposing what many of us thought might be going on but were fleeced. What Mary shares with the world opens many "cans of worms". She mentions trust. Learning the food and drug industry cares more about the bottom dollar than they care about people sent me into depression in my 20's then I realized I am glad I now know. Now I know I must be responsible for my path. A parents fear when we see this happens to our kids when we "trusted" mentors that didn't deserve that title. "What doesn't kill us makes us stronger." " Its not what happens to us, it's what we do afterwards". Thank you Mary, you are a brave soul! ☮❤⚖🇺🇸🌎
I loved this episode so much. Thank you for sharing your pain so openly, Mary - and thank you Rich for creating this save platform for people to share their stories with you, you're a wonderful and empathic host. Love from Austria
Wow Mary......you are definitely helping victims of abuse by talking about your story and showing your emotions. Thanks Mary, you rock!
Thank you for sharing your story. I served 10 years in the US Army and your struggle parallels trying to challenge the toxic culture that allows sexual harassment and assault. “Go along to get along”, “If you tell, you’re not one of the team”, etc.
Mary Cain's story broke my heart for her. I remember seeing the NY TIMES video and feeling so angry against Nike and Salazar. And now hearing Mary open up, in detail about the entire experience 🤬. The only way to force Nike to examine it's shameful behavior and (hopefully) change their programs for the better, is too vote with your wallet. Don't buy Nike gear.
Mary, you are a role model. Your vulnerability, your ability to clearly illustrate what for have been through, to rise from the SHIT you had to deal with stronger, brighter, braver is an inspiration 💖. GO MARY!!!
Her pain is palpable, her intelligence so apparent. Amazing discussion. Amazing person. Kudos to you RR for making this interview a reality and for allowing Mary to further share her story. Make no mistake -- this was difficult to watch/listen/hear at times. She's such a tender soul and was simply gut-wrenching to learn of the abuses she had to endure. How one human being, let alone a behemoth like Nike, could do that to her (and so many others) is sick and sickening. I never liked their ill-fitting gear anyway and they will never get another hard-earned penny of my for as long as I live. Hope others would consider 'speaking' with their dollars as well.
Best wishes Mary. The world needs you and you obviously have an incredibly bright future making this world a better place in which to live. Many thanks Rich.
Truth to power. Good on her.
Thank You Mary I hope and prey that you and everyone that seen this can help they need. You are a champion in my book.
Absolutely shameful and disgraceful the way Salazar and other coaches are treating female athletes. Good for Mary for speaking out for all of the other women athletes who are too afraid, too in denial, or too silenced to do the same.
Jordan Hasay, Sifan Hassan, Shannon Rowbury, Mary Slaney, Trenier Moser were coached under Salazar (besides Kara Goucher and Amy Begley) I don't think it is fair to necessarily demonize Salazar for having such high standards for female athletes. There wasn't this huge breakdown of female athletes under Salazar. He actually transformed most of them for the better (whether or not through PEDS would be a different conversation)
Such an amazing episode, mary cain thank you for all the inspiration that you sparking, and for you rich roll thank you for this podcast a good Interviewer is the one that know to listen to his guests and you definitely know how to do that 👏👏👏
Would love to see her compete again, on her own terms.
I doubt that her body will allow a comeback. She is beaten up.
Mary Cain, you are an awesome human being and athlete! Rich, you rock for bringing her on to share this story. Thank you Mary for sharing your story and tears. And now the time you're giving to educate and promote an amazing training environment for other female runners. Never feel as though you have to dismiss those tears. Those tears are real and a reflection of abuse experienced. Your strength is evident and your inspiration amazing!!!! Thank you!!.
This was such a great podcast and important for all women to watch for self protection. Mary you are amazing❤️👏
She’s inspiring and compelling-a true account and heroine journey through which her struggles help liberate not just herself but millions of others. I want to share her strength and story with my athletic teen daughters.
Really interesting story. Thanks for sharing Rich and for being such a good interviewer! :)
Love Mary, she is and has an amazing story! Thanks for this podcast Rich!
Viewing this in the summer of 2024; so happy that Mary will be attending Stanford Medical School. She will be an ethical caring physician.
Mary Cain is awesome. Thanks for the interview!!
So much Respect Mary!!
The only way Nike and Salazar will give a crap is if it costs them money.
Sue Alberto Salazar for Millions sue Nike for billions.
I won’t buy any more of their products until they correct this massive mistake
Great interview - compassionate and informative ~ Thanks ~ Janet
Thank you for sharing. This is infuriating but important to hear.
So wise.
Mary, Thank you for sharing your story, I'm so sorry they mistreated you so badly, great big hugs
Great listen!!!
That was so interesting and inspiring I look forward to seeing the many amazing things Mary will add to her already incredible contribution to sports and women’s rights and of course Riches Shepherding of the story was masterful! Here’s hoping NIKE figures out how badly they have blundered and shape up!
I remember in college running cc, I was running next to this girl she was heavier than I was 115 she had to be about 150. This girl kicked my ass so bad. Some people are built on the be bigger side and it does not affect their performance. Look at some athletes today they don't fit the "type". Mary was so good and what a waste of talent, I feel so bad for her. She was so young and went through so much and still kept her self up. She is physically and emotionally strong, I have so much respect for her. Coaches can be controlling jerks (putting it mildly). This should not have happened and it needs to be fix, come on Nike, be true to your self and admit that you messed up, admit that you fail and do the right thing.... instead of "just do it" how about "Do it right"
I'm in awe, big love!
And I'm definitely gonna do the SafeSport training
Love the videos and your guests, but could you do another vlog day. I love them.
This is really really good!
Rich, are Caro Burkle and Mary Cain connected? If not, you should def make that happen, esp regarding mentorship in sports. Quality episode!
She went and lived through a type of grooming from the coaches/adults at Nike. Shameful. I’m glad she’s on her own path and doing well. ❤️
To play devil's advocate, it sounds like they treated her like the professional adult and greatest of all time champion that she admits she wanted to be. Did Salazar treat her differently than Sifan Hassan and Jordan Hasay and Shannon Rowbury and Mary Slaney? Although I am not condoning Alberto Salazar's methods (yes, I don't believe he is a clean coach and would dope his athletes), there is a fine line between "Boot Camp" to turn athletes at such a high level into Champions vs outright Abuse. Why is it the narrative as though she was a victim of MeToo or some type of inappropriate sexual misconduct? "Grooming?" I do not believe Salazar had some ugly motive to groom and abuse her based on his other athletes like Rupp who was also "groomed" at a young age to become one of the most successful American Born distance runners of all time.
Fun is good. Play is fun. A sport is something you play. If you're playing a sport and you're not having fun, stop; something is wrong.
I am so THRILLED to hear from Mary Cain! Agree Delta is the way to fly... NYC is the greatest city.. I miss it so much. Also, this makes me so angry. She is going to save so many girls. Kudos to Crouse and Goucher and Felix and Montano and all the other women I now follow thanks to Mary Cain. Oiselle.
COULDNT love her anymore 🤗💪
This was an amazing interview. I'm now sitting wondering what is happening to the other young elite girls/women that are now regularly breaking records every time they run. Will this be enough to right the ship? I hope that things are changing. Thank you.
What an amazing woman!
In Greece we have a beautiful sunny city named Atalandi /to honour that myth !
Focus in the way that young lady tells her story,gives you all the pain and the mental load she carried along.Her tone is fragmented and sounds like she is one step before crying.All the truth is that she paid the price of being compatible.Thank God she didn't lose contact with her family.
Add subtitles please
Subtitle please 🙏
“The scary thing about abuse is that the reason it takes years for people to come out is because so often they don’t even know that’s what it was.”
Damn, that hits so hard 🥺
But more importantly, Atalanta is the name of the Serie A soccer team from Bergamo, my hometown in Italy. Forza Atalanta! XD
Nike's continued support of Salazar is disgusting.
Nike is just plain disgusting in general. has been for years.
Salazar is a generational coach. “1-2 for the Salazar group”. If you know where that quote is from you know why he’s one of the best of all time
Mary is awesome! Rich, come on man! You couldn’t slide her some tissues? If she were sharing in “the rooms” someone would have gotten her tissue right away! Just saying. Great show as usual 😊
What was her professional contract with Nike? Did she have to be coached by Salazar? Could she have trained with Schumacher's group with Shalane? Is it the coach that chooses their athletes or is it the athlete who chooses their coaches?
Salazar is an amazing coach. One of the best of all time. Galen Rupp wouldn’t be a silver medalist without him
It's amazing how unpopular this is. The goal is greatness at all costs!
We’re injuries part of why there was an obsession with weight loss? Or was it all about dropping race times?
When you are training hard and operating with a calorie deficit you become more and more injury prone, especially as a woman. Your body cannot rebuild after the stresses of hard workouts and over time, that cumulative stress causes serious problems. Add in a toxic team environment, mentally abusive coaches....you have a recipe for disaster, hence her physical and mental health deterioration.
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Good on you Mary! However, let's admit that women's sport is doomed until we get rid of the men competing in it.
Please consider working on your response when a guest breaks down and cries. Maybe don’t talk over them as they cry and instead try just being in the moment with them and express verbally or non-verbally a little sympathy/compassion. Otherwise such an insightful, incisive, intelligent conversation. Thank you.
A++++++
Just an awful coach. All athletes are different and some people just can't function below certain body fat percentages. How did he not know basic stuff like this
Running fast = being skinny 😬
This is such a misconception. Yes, weight loss can make running faster easier, but your body will naturally dictate how "skinny" it wants to be provided the nutrition (and everything else) is there to support the actual running. Not everyone is the same size when they reach their speed potential.
I don’t think they cared that she told her parents. They cared that her parents kept calling. Edit: I’d do the same as them if she were my daughter.
Wow that is crazy people are so stupid put that fool in jail
It’s ppl like here who make it easy for our American women to complain cry and point the figure when things don’t go well instead of getting up and keep going it take time she was going from college to the Olympics her attitude is awful making America look lazy
WTF??????????
Thank God it didn’t get to sexual abuse. That was probably next. 😢
No, it was not next. You are crazy if you are going to outwardly call Salazar a sex offender without any prior convictions or even accusations. You might as well call someone racist without knowing anything about them. Get educated.
Look at the news Ryan. Monique was right.
And by the way, I’m not a Mary Cain fan. But I’m definitely…not a Salazar fan either.
@@Dojocartwheel You only post lies
@@Dojocartwheel Salazar is the best coach of all time
Wouldn't want to even visit New York, much less live there.
Doubt you even own a passport
Dude, what that heck has to do your comment with the message she is conveying?
I like her but I wish there wasn't so much upspeek.