I would like to add some context so that the discussion of environmental friendliness and sustainability becomes a balanced one. A lot of the information can be found in the IOC website. Plus, I did a bit of digging as well. 1. Artificial snow - The USA was the first country to use artificial snow in the 1980 Winter Olympics, starting off the first precedent. Some 80% of the snow used in the 2014 Sochi Winter Game, Russia, was artificial. The corresponding figure was 98% for the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Games, South Korea. Some (estimated) 40 million gallons of water are used for snowmaking and ice-making, which all come from rainfall and surface runoff in the neighborhood. When the Game is finished, the same water will be recycled for snowmaking, irrigation, and other uses. This ‘reduce, recycle and reuse’ concept is, of course, no different from that being applied by earlier hosts also using artificial snow. 2. Budget & costs - the 2022 Beijing Winter Games budget is USD 3.9 bn, a low value in comparison with the actual costs incurred in Sochi’s USD 50 bn or Pyeongchang’s USD 12.9 bn. Of course, the estimated final costs of the 2022 Games are not yet out. If anything, the Beijing Winter Game will be one of the more economical games! 3. Low-carbon venues - 5 of 16 facilities are existing ones built for the 2008 Summer Olympic Games that have been retrofitted for the Winter Games. These include the iconic Birds Nest and Water Cube. All avenues have been certified by IOC as ‘low-carbon footprint and carbon-reducing solutions’. The China Olympic Committee has committed that these facilities will be used to support and promote ongoing winter sports, and some (like the Olympic Village) will be converted to hospitality and other uses. 4. Renewable energy - For the first time ever, the host will use 100% renewable energy to power up all venues and facilities. Its power need is served by a 500 KW solar and wind plant at Zhangjiakou, which will continue to supply electricity to Beijing and its surrounding areas after the Game. 5. Natural carbon dioxide cooling system - Also, for the first time ever, the host will apply the revolutionary natural Co2 cooling systems for all ice avenues. This technology reduces the carbon footprint on the cooling process to nearly zero and has a massive advantage over the HFCs (hydrofluorocarbons) which are proven to damage the Ozone Layer and contribute to global warming. 6. Low-carbon Transportation - China deploys low-carbon transport in the Games. Fuel efficient and clean-energy vehicles are used accounting for 100% of all passenger vehicles and 85% of all vehicles. 7. Afforestation - Since being awarded the Winter Game hosting, China has planted 47k and 33k hectares of forest and green areas in Beijing and Zhangjiakou. This is what they called ‘compensating through afforestation’.l vehicles. I also made comparisons with the earlier Winter Games. Several things immediately stand out. First, the Beijing Winter Game is a lot cheaper (even if you factor in over-budget costs) or economically efficient. Second, China has made an all-out effort to achieve carbon-neutrality and some cutting-edge technologies have been introduced for the first time, setting a model for future Winter Game hosts to follow. Third, this is the first Winter Game in the wake of covid-19. The host has to deal with health control issues, which makes it a far more daunting task. Indirectly, the shutout to spectators helps carbon-neutrality. There are sustainability issues with any big sports events. The question is - how much and how willing a host will strive to achieve environmental sustainability as well as social and economical sustainability. Personally, I see a great deal being done by China.
What do you mean by summer in Beijing? Which was -7C. I guess you forgot the past Winter Olympics? In Vancouver 2010 it was far warmer, like 10C that they had to load 200 trucks of snow, airlifting snow by helicopter every 5 mins, placing tubes pack of dry ice to keep the snow from melting every 12 hours, snow cannon, etc. Man-made snow for competition becomes a requirement due to the consistent and quality for professional competition. 2018 Pyeonchang lacks natural snow fall, it was 98% man-made. 2014 Sochi was 80% man-made. 2010 Vancouver also man-made. Ian Honey, who supervised the Jeongseon Alpine Centre at the 2018 Winter Olympic said: “The high performance of the skiers has contributed to demand of man-made snow. With the speeds they’re doing and the responsiveness of their skis, they need more durable and better and consistent product on the mountain.” I don’t see the media questioned before… 🙄 so why now?
@@xmar4497 exactly. it's like if WSJ publish this in 2018: Pyeonchang Winter Olympics 2018: The Logistics of Making Fake Snow | WSJ Then WSJ RUclips media team would be happy if they can garner 500views!
weather at Zhangjiakou (a Winter Olympic venue) today: -7C (19F) 3:33 Madeleine Orr, Lecturer of Loughborough University says: ‘The problem is, there is no perfect sustainability, to hold winter event in a summer destination.' Question: Is -7C (19F) a summer destination?
Its not about the temperature. The problem is that it is dry. That region has a precipitation of 4.8mm in February. Pyeongchang has 49mm with 12 snowy days at the same time, Sochi has 134mm, Vancouver 104mm, Turin 47mm...
@@JK-tq7biBeg to differ. Temperature is the primary requirement. Without temperature, outdoor events might have to be accomplished in puddles. Smoothness of running scheduled events will be very subjective, if natural precipitation is the primary source. Imagine, that the whole outdoor events are scheduled within limited time. To the untrained readers, those precipitation numbers listed on your comment seems convincing that Sochi is the absolute best venue. Unfortunately, all venues listed on your comment used fake snow as shown in record, using fake snow is not new, it's the only way to have outdoor stayed consistent and fair to all athletes. Precipitation does not equate to even and consistent snow covering across all days and all events. Therefore, not only i question over statement by Madeleine Orr, i am affirmative that WSJ's report is subjective.
@@organizedchaos4559 It doesn't matter, UL. I do understand it's dry (a.f.) there. It depends on how you'd like to extend the discuss. For this WSJ clip, it's not about being dry, coz that's just camouflaging. For the sports in modern days, artificial snow is everywhere, for its quality and consistency. Not only Beijing2022, not only Pyeongchang 2018, not only Sochi 2014, not only Winter Olympic, and certainly not only popular winter sport destinations around many countries in the States.
meanwhile large percentage of Americans drive 4x4 eating steak and burgers, and leaving aircon on 24/7, houses with swimming pools. While most Asian countries heavily use public transport and have a veg grain heavy diet, and live predominantly in central heated 20+ storey flats with no pools.
Agreed. And, actually when I skied in Switzerland they also use snow making machines, even for their whole mountain. Every ski trails I have been to uses snow making machine in western world.
First of all, Zhangjiakou area is not short of water, and there are large and small reservoirs and rivers around it. Also, the temperature in Zhangjiakou and Beijing is very cold in winter. The largest reservoir in the surrounding area is the Guanting Reservoir.The reservoir covers an area of 230 square kilometers and has a total storage capacity of 2.2 billion cubic meters
@@chidogg93just about anywhere snow storms can come after the games. That's why, build a good man-made snow base as soon as it's cold enough and business is guaranteed. Places that snow all the time will be too powdery for competition and may have to be postponed due to blizzards
Because it's 100% artificial snow, the particles are small, so the players keep falling. China is not qualified to host the Olympics. I'm sure you've seen the short track speed skating match, but all the players from all countries fell. They spray water on the ice rink and resume the game.🤣
@@XiCumFace OMG! Have you ever skate? Do you even care about stss rules? The Air quality in Seoul is sooo bad, because everyones gasps badly when they running. wHat A LoGic!😅
As I watched some of the Beijing Olympic 2022 events I was struck with the quality of the installations and the snow-making results, and this is before I even saw any videos of the process (like this one). No bald spots, puddles or surfaces that are too hard, and the athletes certainly aren't complaining! It is truly remarkable how collective and individual efforts from the Chinese have produced such quality thru ingenuity and resourcefulness. It's amazing that this excellent effort is accomplished during the Covid19 pandemic! But here we go again. The West will find every (mostly fictitious and petty) reason to poo-poo on China. This video has a number of errors that others have already mentioned below. The big difference is that the West's focus is mostly the competitive and commercial aspects, while in China it is a source of national pride more than money. Their achievement is to be commended.
What r u talking about The olympic's artificial snow quality's so bad that some atheletes were badly injured and many couldnt even finish the course cuz they kept tripping
@@user-rj8mk6fz1u It is you that are ignorant - artificial snow is standard in professional winter sport in the last 2 decades worldwide as snow machines can make a more stable conditions for competition.
They had blizzard few days ago with venues covered with natural snow. But guess what, they didn’t like it and had to work overnight to remove the natural snow from the courses lol
The venue for the nordic skiing has temperatures between 32F and 1F the next week. Doesn't sound particularly summer-y but who am I to say against WSJ.
Are the researchers high? Beijing is a very cold destination in the winter. Any weather app will show you the temperature is definitely NOT a summer destination.
Beijing, Zhangjiakou, Feb 13: Most snow events are postponed due to heavy snow today. This is exactly why we need "fake snow" or controlled snow conditions in the first place, for safety and fairness.
The context was energy usage due to pumping water up one hill per day. I think she meant the energy usage would be comparable to a small apartment building. Although they definitely could have cut that better
A balanced view should be: Beijing used 2008 venues for the ice events, and build the new venue for snow events where snow is man made. If you just want to. Be negative, please make a statistics of individual houses who own private swimming pool in the US and calculate the amount of water needed?
This morning I saw a show about Las Vegas, Nevada. So many homes have swimming pools, and that's in a desert environment! Americans can be so greedy and ignorant.
During a media conference before 15thFeb, Audrey Caldwell, USA Olympic gold medalist, four times Olympian, speaks to US media in this media conference, that "we jump a lot on man-made snow, so we are pretty used to it, but this is by far the best man-made snow i've skied on." She turned to Christ Lillis and Justin Schoenefeld, and they all agreed.
It was a media conference conducted in China. It is normal for the typical foreigner to sing praises for fear of their lives. Behind the conference, real communication would take place.
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Ironically, Beijing just saw the biggest snow of this year a week ago and it delayed some of the events of that day...natural snows sometimes are not good enough for winter sport competitions.
Haha this comment is fake lol. Pyeongchang area is the snowy area, so they didn't use 100% fake snow. Now y'all gotta see how "Made in China" snow works and how many players suffer from poor facility management🥲
Natural snow structure differs between regions/countries, with different density, hardness and water content and is not stable, using natural snow would be unfair to athletes who are not familiar with this type of snow, while artificial snow is more stable and complies with IOC standard.
totally agree with your point. i won't use the word 'author' here. Just put it this way. The 'story teller' at WSJ on this story, is either not a skier, not a skater, or they are roller-skater at most. can they not understand that, most athletes trained on artificial snow now a days? Freestyle snowboards, halfpipe, GS etc.
3:33 A quick question to Dr Madelene Orr: With almost all ski resorts using artificial snow (or fake snow as WSJ love putting it), and majority of people trained in this condition, what is the point of the movement calling for natural snow only for Winter Olympic at professional level? Shouldn't we start from ground up? Shouldn't we relook at reassessing winter sports facility only to small minority group of people if Sports Ecology Group cares about the environment? The use of artificial snow started in the 80's, was there anybody care about that? Pyeongchang 2018 use the same amount of artificial snow. Dr Orr did not mention anything about that. Did she just woke up from winter hibernation after 2018 WO? There's an elephant in the room for sure. p/s: i know, someone'd 'scientifically' expressed Pyeongchang 2018 used '98%' artificial snow, can someone educate us here how that 98% came about? By hour of snow fall during the Games? by inches of snow fall? what's the baseline? As we write, outdoor events delayed due to snow storm. are we happy with abundant of natural snow now?
Which Olympic didn’t use man made snow ? A lot of ski trails in US use “fake” snow in winter. This is the best part of public service . So because China used it , now it became a bad thing ?
Glad to watch news like this.This indicate you guys (american standard, aka doublestands) still stuck on daydream(maybe brain damaged but who can tell) while China is developing it's skillset to next level seconds by seconds, in all levels.
Snow is snow. Artificial snow is snow, not fake. It’s like calling your ice in your fridge fake: the ice is just as real and even more pure. Choice of word is important.
This Chinese region just doesn't have enough snow this year. Usually it does. What can they do? For all critics, you guys can live in your imaginary wonderland, and all pretend to be environmentalists. In reality, not every country wants to, or has the capability to host a game in this size. And by the way, do you know hosting such a game usually loses money? in billions. Criticizing China for fake snow that is just a cheap shot.
They are talking about the China in their imagination, not the real China on this planet. I was once asked by an American people what the weather is like in China. I don't know how I can answer him. If I ask him the same question of the US, I don't know how he would answer me. So I answered China has all kinds of weather because it has a vast land just like the US.
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Meanwhile, Beijing City is below 0 degrees most of the day currently. The resorts themselves being colder as well. The WSJ is such a reliable outlet that it doesn't even need to check the weather app.
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Just now I checked the temperature of Beijing, it is -7 to 8 degree today. Does it call summer destination? So they should choose a place that is always under 0 degree?
Its not just about the temperature. The problem is that it is dry. That region has a precipitation of 4.8mm in February. Pyeongchang has 49mm with 12 snowy days at the same time, Sochi has 134mm, Vancouver 104mm, Turin 47mm... Being cold doesnt mean snow.
@@JK-tq7bi Beg to differ. Temperature is the primary requirement. Without temperature, outdoor events might have to be accomplished in puddles. Smoothness of running scheduled events will be very subjective, if natural precipitation is the primary source. Imagine, that the whole outdoor events are scheduled within limited time. To the untrained readers, those precipitation numbers listed on your comment seems convincing that Sochi is the absolute best venue. Unfortunately, all venues listed on your comment used fake snow as shown in record, using fake snow is not new, it's the only way to have outdoor stayed consistent and fair to all athletes. Precipitation does not equate to even and consistent snow covering across all days and all events. Therefore, not only i question over statement by Madeleine Orr, i am affirmative that WSJ's report is subjective.
You think you caught them? They said “ some ARE destinations” in a sudden Australian accent. Yes, that’s right, WSJ made a meaningless factual statement, what? You don’t like facts?
@@JK-tq7bi I do agree with you that temperature is not the only factor, precipitation is among other factors. However, the main fact being portrayed in this clip from WSJ is not about temperature, and certainly not about precipitation. For WSJ, it's about: - Showing its audiences a bunch of locals screaming strings of phrases nobody could understand, and WSJ does not care explaining/translating although WSJ know the language very well - Showing audience how environmentally unfriendly this city is by using this much of water - Pull out a few 'experts' to convince its audiences for the same - Beijing-ZJK being a Winter Olympic (WO) venue is absolutely not a good idea - The choice of word 'Fake snow' goes well in targeting this city/country, better than what they used to describe: 'Artificial snow' For WSJ, it's not about: - What's in Beijing's mind and consideration for doing this - How WO host city selection process is, in regards to use of water and artificial snow - Use of artificial snow has been a norm in recent WO regardless of which city it is - What other environmental approaches Beijing had done way better than any other host cities in the past Hope i relay the message exactly how WSJ is attempting to drive its audiences, so that we stay focus on enjoying what WSJ is about.
Not a China fan personally but there is no doubt that what they have done is impressive, very impressive indeed. Pretty incredible when you think about the sheer amount of work to do to make it happen.
The north east of china is extremely extremely cold during winter… -20 -30 degree everyday… managing the event and competing in such harsh winter is just crazy
Nah.. China should have not been selected as a hosting country for players who longed for a fair competetion. This is the worst olympic ever regardless of fake snow, region, etc
The next winter Olympics should be located in Middle East or Sub Sahara Africa, maybe I'm guessing Saui Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kenya, Nigeria, Ghana or more, give them a chance.
After the pandemic, when things go back to normal then other countries can held some great winter Olympics event. This time, not everyone can enjoy it.
these news has to be on plan, scheduled, gradual. the consistent delivering of messages about china and its tight knit to anything bad, is comforting, and numb us from our real problem. thank you wall street journal.
as the commentator mentioned, the location is dry and China has to pump water to its northen region every year, guess what will happen when Summer came? the artificial snow melted and it water down the dry surface and that's the work they do every year
@@rosiebrooks7685 Do you know what China's real estate bubble is? HINT: Whereas fake snow does not fall from the sky, the freshly printed money propping up China's real estate bubble, did fall from the sky...via central bank helicopters.
I see Chinese claiming that artificial snow is not fake snow. I do agree but the problem with Beijing is that it is placed in summer place unlike any other olympics, which makes the artificial snow to not work as it is suppose to. Why r Chinese blind to the facts
When you find that you can't complain about Beijing's air pollution because of the blue sky, you turn to "fake snow" as if it were a bad thing. Have you asked the athletes for their opinion? BTW, there is NATURAL snow today in Beijing.
“It can’t ever be 100% again”.. In this environment, even far North elevation resorts are having frequent thaws, and from what I’ve seen as a frequent skier, heavy rains can sneak into this equation quickly melting a good portion of natural snow.. Truth is we will likely have to rely on snowmaking to ensure the 2 week stretch of the Winter games can happen.
The Olympic Committee should have taken a stronger position when selecting the Olympic Games location and considered the environmental, social, and economic impact on the local communities
“Snow” conditions at these Winter Olympics has been absolutely horrible. The IOC should’ve selected a region or country with real snow. Just look at how many wipeouts/crashes there have been in the men’s and women’s skiing courses.
So, in response to your complaint, it has been snowing in Beijing, even delaying events because of it. So, have you changed your mind about this or was there another motivation to post your comment?
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Not many countries can host winter Olympics with natural snow. Those who have natural snow didn't bid for the game or withdrew because of the cost so what can we do unless we cancel the game.
So, now that it's snowing in Beijing can we expect an update on this from the WSJ? Probably not because your publication is just another Murdoch propaganda machine stirring up division between people.
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About 80% of the snow used in Sochi in 2014 was artificial, and that number went as high as 98% for the 2018 Pyeongchang Games in South Korea..artificial snow in Olympics is nothing new..
I would like to add some context so that the discussion of environmental friendliness and sustainability becomes a balanced one. A lot of the information can be found in the IOC website. Plus, I did a bit of digging as well.
1. Artificial snow - The USA was the first country to use artificial snow in the 1980 Winter Olympics, starting off the first precedent. Some 80% of the snow used in the 2014 Sochi Winter Game, Russia, was artificial. The corresponding figure was 98% for the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Games, South Korea. Some (estimated) 40 million gallons of water are used for snowmaking and ice-making, which all come from rainfall and surface runoff in the neighborhood. When the Game is finished, the same water will be recycled for snowmaking, irrigation, and other uses. This ‘reduce, recycle and reuse’ concept is, of course, no different from that being applied by earlier hosts also using artificial snow.
2. Budget & costs - the 2022 Beijing Winter Games budget is USD 3.9 bn, a low value in comparison with the actual costs incurred in Sochi’s USD 50 bn or Pyeongchang’s USD 12.9 bn. Of course, the estimated final costs of the 2022 Games are not yet out. If anything, the Beijing Winter Game will be one of the more economical games!
3. Low-carbon venues - 5 of 16 facilities are existing ones built for the 2008 Summer Olympic Games that have been retrofitted for the Winter Games. These include the iconic Birds Nest and Water Cube. All avenues have been certified by IOC as ‘low-carbon footprint and carbon-reducing solutions’. The China Olympic Committee has committed that these facilities will be used to support and promote ongoing winter sports, and some (like the Olympic Village) will be converted to hospitality and other uses.
4. Renewable energy - For the first time ever, the host will use 100% renewable energy to power up all venues and facilities. Its power need is served by a 500 KW solar and wind plant at Zhangjiakou, which will continue to supply electricity to Beijing and its surrounding areas after the Game.
5. Natural carbon dioxide cooling system - Also, for the first time ever, the host will apply the revolutionary natural Co2 cooling systems for all ice avenues. This technology reduces the carbon footprint on the cooling process to nearly zero and has a massive advantage over the HFCs (hydrofluorocarbons) which are proven to damage the Ozone Layer and contribute to global warming.
6. Low-carbon Transportation - China deploys low-carbon transport in the Games. Fuel efficient and clean-energy vehicles are used accounting for 100% of all passenger vehicles and 85% of all vehicles.
7. Afforestation - Since being awarded the Winter Game hosting, China has planted 47k and 33k hectares of forest and green areas in Beijing and Zhangjiakou. This is what they called ‘compensating through afforestation’.l vehicles.
I also made comparisons with the earlier Winter Games. Several things immediately stand out. First, the Beijing Winter Game is a lot cheaper (even if you factor in over-budget costs) or economically efficient. Second, China has made an all-out effort to achieve carbon-neutrality and some cutting-edge technologies have been introduced for the first time, setting a model for future Winter Game hosts to follow. Third, this is the first Winter Game in the wake of covid-19. The host has to deal with health control issues, which makes it a far more daunting task. Indirectly, the shutout to spectators helps carbon-neutrality.
There are sustainability issues with any big sports events. The question is - how much and how willing a host will strive to achieve environmental sustainability as well as social and economical sustainability. Personally, I see a great deal being done by China.
Thanks for highlighting it to those naive people living in their caves and never came out to see the world 🤣
Great research and very informative. Well done.
Great research 👏 Thank you for the objective piece of info. Hope these smearing media shall apologize.
Great research! Wall Street journal is fake news funded by American elites
A great closing ceremony! Not just for athletes, we are one big family and we are together for a shared future!
What do you mean by summer in Beijing? Which was -7C. I guess you forgot the past Winter Olympics? In Vancouver 2010 it was far warmer, like 10C that they had to load 200 trucks of snow, airlifting snow by helicopter every 5 mins, placing tubes pack of dry ice to keep the snow from melting every 12 hours, snow cannon, etc. Man-made snow for competition becomes a requirement due to the consistent and quality for professional competition.
2018 Pyeonchang lacks natural snow fall, it was 98% man-made.
2014 Sochi was 80% man-made.
2010 Vancouver also man-made.
Ian Honey, who supervised the Jeongseon Alpine Centre at the 2018 Winter Olympic said: “The high performance of the skiers has contributed to demand of man-made snow. With the speeds they’re doing and the responsiveness of their skis, they need more durable and better and consistent product on the mountain.”
I don’t see the media questioned before… 🙄 so why now?
Because China
Because quality is so bad
@@xmar4497 exactly. it's like if WSJ publish this in 2018:
Pyeonchang Winter Olympics 2018: The Logistics of Making Fake Snow | WSJ
Then WSJ RUclips media team would be happy if they can garner 500views!
@@boseongkim1014 Why already broke many olympic record if the snow is bad huh? korean brain can't figure that out?
Thanks for highlighting it to those naive people living for a long time in caves🤣
weather at Zhangjiakou (a Winter Olympic venue) today: -7C (19F)
3:33 Madeleine Orr, Lecturer of Loughborough University says:
‘The problem is, there is no perfect sustainability, to hold winter event in a summer destination.'
Question: Is -7C (19F) a summer destination?
Its not about the temperature. The problem is that it is dry. That region has a precipitation of 4.8mm in February. Pyeongchang has 49mm with 12 snowy days at the same time, Sochi has 134mm, Vancouver 104mm, Turin 47mm...
@@JK-tq7biBeg to differ.
Temperature is the primary requirement.
Without temperature, outdoor events might have to be accomplished in puddles.
Smoothness of running scheduled events will be very subjective, if natural precipitation is the primary source. Imagine, that the whole outdoor events are scheduled within limited time.
To the untrained readers, those precipitation numbers listed on your comment seems convincing that Sochi is the absolute best venue. Unfortunately, all venues listed on your comment used fake snow as shown in record, using fake snow is not new, it's the only way to have outdoor stayed consistent and fair to all athletes.
Precipitation does not equate to even and consistent snow covering across all days and all events.
Therefore, not only i question over statement by Madeleine Orr, i am affirmative that WSJ's report is subjective.
@@willo7979 I don’t get what you don’t understand, northern China area around Beijing is dry af.
@@organizedchaos4559 It doesn't matter, UL.
I do understand it's dry (a.f.) there.
It depends on how you'd like to extend the discuss.
For this WSJ clip, it's not about being dry, coz that's just camouflaging.
For the sports in modern days, artificial snow is everywhere, for its quality and consistency. Not only Beijing2022, not only Pyeongchang 2018, not only Sochi 2014, not only Winter Olympic, and certainly not only popular winter sport destinations around many countries in the States.
@@JK-tq7bi dry or not, the winter olympic is running smoothly, no complaint from the athletes about the snow and the temperature.
Seriously… this “news” again, it’s like we don’t make artificial snow at Tahoe or any other ski resort at all…
Yeah but why miss the opportunity to attach China and fake in the same sentence? 🤔
@@TomNook. yep, instead of calling it artificial these biased media call em fake
@@intothemoat but it is fake. And for a show lol. Go to a place where there is more real snow. Not 0
@@chidogg93 most ski events uses artifical snow. What's your point here little guy?
the fact is artificial snow is much better than national snow。 just like you can make pure water but no pure water in nation
meanwhile large percentage of Americans drive 4x4 eating steak and burgers, and leaving aircon on 24/7, houses with swimming pools. While most Asian countries heavily use public transport and have a veg grain heavy diet, and live predominantly in central heated 20+ storey flats with no pools.
Don't forget about all the fat Americans!
Agreed. And, actually when I skied in Switzerland they also use snow making machines, even for their whole mountain.
Every ski trails I have been to uses snow making machine in western world.
Well if WSJ is so concerned about 'real' things then you definitely
should do a piece on 'how the west manufactures fake news' 🙄
Fake snow are the white stuff inside a snowglobe
Artificial snow is still snow, yes it might differ structurally, but it's still snow.
so you are telling me the snow globe I own had me fooled all this time?
When I saw the report from WSJ, immediately I knew the point they want to make even without reading the report
the last sentence sums up everything.
Yes, very predictable., This kind of complaining has become a bad habit from them.
First of all, Zhangjiakou area is not short of water, and there are large and small reservoirs and rivers around it. Also, the temperature in Zhangjiakou and Beijing is very cold in winter. The largest reservoir in the surrounding area is the Guanting Reservoir.The reservoir covers an area of 230 square kilometers and has a total storage capacity of 2.2 billion cubic meters
eventually the snow will melt and return water to nature, no water is wasted. :D
Pretty sure Arne Snow is an expert
Artificial snow is used in every winter Olympics.
But there is a limit. No need for 100% fake snow when other countries can hold them
@@chidogg93 who r u？funny
@@chidogg93just about anywhere snow storms can come after the games. That's why, build a good man-made snow base as soon as it's cold enough and business is guaranteed. Places that snow all the time will be too powdery for competition and may have to be postponed due to blizzards
Because it's 100% artificial snow, the particles are small, so the players keep falling.
China is not qualified to host the Olympics.
I'm sure you've seen the short track speed skating match, but all the players from all countries fell.
They spray water on the ice rink and resume the game.🤣
@@XiCumFace OMG! Have you ever skate? Do you even care about stss rules?
The Air quality in Seoul is sooo bad, because everyones gasps badly when they running. wHat A LoGic!😅
I am really enjoy watch the News from US like this, bunch of clowns
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As I watched some of the Beijing Olympic 2022 events I was struck with the quality of the installations and the snow-making results, and this is before I even saw any videos of the process (like this one). No bald spots, puddles or surfaces that are too hard, and the athletes certainly aren't complaining! It is truly remarkable how collective and individual efforts from the Chinese have produced such quality thru ingenuity and resourcefulness. It's amazing that this excellent effort is accomplished during the Covid19 pandemic!
But here we go again. The West will find every (mostly fictitious and petty) reason to poo-poo on China. This video has a number of errors that others have already mentioned below. The big difference is that the West's focus is mostly the competitive and commercial aspects, while in China it is a source of national pride more than money. Their achievement is to be commended.
What r u talking about
The olympic's artificial snow quality's so bad that some atheletes were badly injured and many couldnt even finish the course cuz they kept tripping
@@user-rj8mk6fz1u It is you that are ignorant - artificial snow is standard in professional winter sport in the last 2 decades worldwide as snow machines can make a more stable conditions for competition.
They had blizzard few days ago with venues covered with natural snow. But guess what, they didn’t like it and had to work overnight to remove the natural snow from the courses lol
The venue for the nordic skiing has temperatures between 32F and 1F the next week. Doesn't sound particularly summer-y but who am I to say against WSJ.
Are the researchers high? Beijing is a very cold destination in the winter. Any weather app will show you the temperature is definitely NOT a summer destination.
Beijing, Zhangjiakou, Feb 13: Most snow events are postponed due to heavy snow today. This is exactly why we need "fake snow" or controlled snow conditions in the first place, for safety and fairness.
When your daddy makes it, you call it Artificial.
When someone your daddy hates,you call it Fake.
Double standard and Hypocrisy at their finest
" the amount of snow guns needed to produce the snow for a day, is roughly equal to a small appartment building" sry what is she talking about??
The context was energy usage due to pumping water up one hill per day. I think she meant the energy usage would be comparable to a small apartment building.
Although they definitely could have cut that better
those snow cannons need way more energy than a small appartment building
What about the logistics of making fake news, WSJ?
They are artificial news
Artificial snow, not fake snow.
When you focus too much on others’ negativity, you lose your own positivity.
Even worse turning positives into negatives
A balanced view should be: Beijing used 2008 venues for the ice events, and build the new venue for snow events where snow is man made. If you just want to. Be negative, please make a statistics of individual houses who own private swimming pool in the US and calculate the amount of water needed?
Its not negative, it is informative. Global entertainment/competition has global consequences and effect.
This morning I saw a show about Las Vegas, Nevada. So many homes have swimming pools, and that's in a desert environment! Americans can be so greedy and ignorant.
Wsj has long lost its creditbity.
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During a media conference before 15thFeb,
Audrey Caldwell, USA Olympic gold medalist, four times Olympian, speaks to US media in this media conference, that
"we jump a lot on man-made snow, so we are pretty used to it, but this is by far the best man-made snow i've skied on."
She turned to Christ Lillis and Justin Schoenefeld, and they all agreed.
It was a media conference conducted in China. It is normal for the typical foreigner to sing praises for fear of their lives. Behind the conference, real communication would take place.
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I am just wondering when the snow melt ,what will it be ? Haha Just try to find quarrel in a straw more,cute WSJ!
It's artificial snow..
NOT fake snow..
Whatever happened to your command of the English language..
Is it because many counterfeits have been made in China? 😂
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Politics happened, unfortunately.
Ironically, Beijing just saw the biggest snow of this year a week ago and it delayed some of the events of that day...natural snows sometimes are not good enough for winter sport competitions.
Let's just congratulate China for hosting breathtaking events
2018 PYEONGCHANG Olympics also used 100% fake snow. Artificial snow has been used in the Winter Olympics since the 1980 games in Lake Placid.
Beijing stooge alert!
Yes, as mentioned at the beginning of the video
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Haha this comment is fake lol. Pyeongchang area is the snowy area, so they didn't use 100% fake snow. Now y'all gotta see how "Made in China" snow works and how many players suffer from poor facility management🥲
What makes 5 degree Fahrenheit a summer destination? That’s the low today at Zhangjiakou where the alpine programs are hosted.
Natural snow structure differs between regions/countries, with different density, hardness and water content and is not stable, using natural snow would be unfair to athletes who are not familiar with this type of snow, while artificial snow is more stable and complies with IOC standard.
totally agree with your point.
i won't use the word 'author' here.
Just put it this way.
The 'story teller' at WSJ on this story, is either not a skier, not a skater, or they are roller-skater at most.
can they not understand that, most athletes trained on artificial snow now a days? Freestyle snowboards, halfpipe, GS etc.
Why not just have the winter Olympics where its winter all the time? because tolerance
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3:33 A quick question to Dr Madelene Orr:
With almost all ski resorts using artificial snow (or fake snow as WSJ love putting it), and majority of people trained in this condition, what is the point of the movement calling for natural snow only for Winter Olympic at professional level?
Shouldn't we start from ground up?
Shouldn't we relook at reassessing winter sports facility only to small minority group of people if Sports Ecology Group cares about the environment?
The use of artificial snow started in the 80's, was there anybody care about that?
Pyeongchang 2018 use the same amount of artificial snow. Dr Orr did not mention anything about that. Did she just woke up from winter hibernation after 2018 WO?
There's an elephant in the room for sure.
p/s: i know, someone'd 'scientifically' expressed Pyeongchang 2018 used '98%' artificial snow, can someone educate us here how that 98% came about? By hour of snow fall during the Games? by inches of snow fall? what's the baseline?
As we write, outdoor events delayed due to snow storm. are we happy with abundant of natural snow now?
Which Olympic didn’t use man made snow ? A lot of ski trails in US use “fake” snow in winter. This is the best part of public service . So because China used it , now it became a bad thing ?
because the best format of commercial advertisement is:
Making it like a news report.
WSJ just did that.
When it happens in USA, Canada, Korea: Artificial snow.
But in China: Fake snow.
What a fake WSJ
exactly...what is a FAKE snow??? there's only artifical and natural snow.
Glad to watch news like this.This indicate you guys (american standard, aka doublestands) still stuck on daydream(maybe brain damaged but who can tell) while China is developing it's skillset to next level seconds by seconds, in all levels.
well you gotta understand that even its -5degC it doesn't have to be snowing...
Yeah, its about precipitation and humidity.
sadly WSJ does not seem to know it.
Snow is snow. Artificial snow is snow, not fake. It’s like calling your ice in your fridge fake: the ice is just as real and even more pure. Choice of word is important.
Most of our north American ski hills rely heavily on man-made snow, no?
This Chinese region just doesn't have enough snow this year. Usually it does. What can they do? For all critics, you guys can live in your imaginary wonderland, and all pretend to be environmentalists. In reality, not every country wants to, or has the capability to host a game in this size. And by the way, do you know hosting such a game usually loses money? in billions. Criticizing China for fake snow that is just a cheap shot.
Is anyone else amazed at how the Chinese have such large scale logistics to pull this off? It's seriously an amazing feat of manpower and engineering.
Imagine if the US actually worked together on literally anything, we can't even get stop signs and right of way down correctly.
Media just loving it pulling China's leg.
Because this is the only molehill that is so ‘EUGE’ worth writing about! Haha
And it was snowing heavily in Beijing and Zhangjiakou for the last two days.
They are talking about the China in their imagination, not the real China on this planet. I was once asked by an American people what the weather is like in China. I don't know how I can answer him. If I ask him the same question of the US, I don't know how he would answer me. So I answered China has all kinds of weather because it has a vast land just like the US.
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'WINTER' Olympics in a SUMMER destination. Nice.
Meanwhile, Beijing City is below 0 degrees most of the day currently. The resorts themselves being colder as well. The WSJ is such a reliable outlet that it doesn't even need to check the weather app.
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Just now I checked the temperature of Beijing, it is -7 to 8 degree today. Does it call summer destination? So they should choose a place that is always under 0 degree?
Its not just about the temperature. The problem is that it is dry. That region has a precipitation of 4.8mm in February. Pyeongchang has 49mm with 12 snowy days at the same time, Sochi has 134mm, Vancouver 104mm, Turin 47mm... Being cold doesnt mean snow.
@@JK-tq7bi Beg to differ.
Temperature is the primary requirement.
Without temperature, outdoor events might have to be accomplished in puddles.
Smoothness of running scheduled events will be very subjective, if natural precipitation is the primary source. Imagine, that the whole outdoor events are scheduled within limited time.
To the untrained readers, those precipitation numbers listed on your comment seems convincing that Sochi is the absolute best venue. Unfortunately, all venues listed on your comment used fake snow as shown in record, using fake snow is not new, it's the only way to have outdoor stayed consistent and fair to all athletes.
Precipitation does not equate to even and consistent snow covering across all days and all events.
Therefore, not only i question over statement by Madeleine Orr, i am affirmative that WSJ's report is subjective.
@@willo7979 i am not saying temperature isn't a factor. But it is not the only factor.
You think you caught them? They said “ some ARE destinations” in a sudden Australian accent. Yes, that’s right, WSJ made a meaningless factual statement, what? You don’t like facts?
@@JK-tq7bi I do agree with you that temperature is not the only factor, precipitation is among other factors.
However, the main fact being portrayed in this clip from WSJ is not about temperature, and certainly not about precipitation.
For WSJ, it's about:
- Showing its audiences a bunch of locals screaming strings of phrases nobody could understand, and WSJ does not care explaining/translating although WSJ know the language very well
- Showing audience how environmentally unfriendly this city is by using this much of water
- Pull out a few 'experts' to convince its audiences for the same
- Beijing-ZJK being a Winter Olympic (WO) venue is absolutely not a good idea
- The choice of word 'Fake snow' goes well in targeting this city/country, better than what they used to describe: 'Artificial snow'
For WSJ, it's not about:
- What's in Beijing's mind and consideration for doing this
- How WO host city selection process is, in regards to use of water and artificial snow
- Use of artificial snow has been a norm in recent WO regardless of which city it is
- What other environmental approaches Beijing had done way better than any other host cities in the past
Hope i relay the message exactly how WSJ is attempting to drive its audiences, so that we stay focus on enjoying what WSJ is about.
Not a China fan personally but there is no doubt that what they have done is impressive, very impressive indeed. Pretty incredible when you think about the sheer amount of work to do to make it happen.
Artificial snow is used in every Winter Olympics, I don't know, is it necessary to attack such a thing?
artificial snow 非要说是 fake snow，希望下次你报道US的artificial intelligence 的时候用的也是fake intelligence😅
China should have selected another naturally snowy region (maybe Harbin or Changbaishan) to host the games.
Or could been in Xinjiang as middle finger to western media.
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The north east of china is extremely extremely cold during winter… -20 -30 degree everyday… managing the event and competing in such harsh winter is just crazy
Nah.. China should have not been selected as a hosting country for players who longed for a fair competetion. This is the worst olympic ever regardless of fake snow, region, etc
Artificial snow have been used since Lake Tahoe. You don't know this fact? Come on,
Wall Street Journal staff don't know this?
The next winter Olympics should be located in Middle East or Sub Sahara Africa, maybe I'm guessing Saui Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kenya, Nigeria, Ghana or more, give them a chance.
China won ~ so sad ~
@@llkk290 It doesn't matters, the coming winter Olympics. This one isn't great either due to Covid 19 pandemic and no one can visit.
@@llkk290 not sad for China supporter. China number 1.
After the pandemic, when things go back to normal then other countries can held some great winter Olympics event. This time, not everyone can enjoy it.
I don’t know u r sarcasm or what,those countries doesn’t have enough money to held olympics ,and the temperature just too high for Winter Olympics
Same with ice, if you were sports expert, do you prefer natural frozen lake ice for speed skating or indoor artificial ice?
First Olympic with a lot of sour grapes
wsj brings ice and snow from north and south poles and sells in these places
these news has to be on plan, scheduled, gradual.
the consistent delivering of messages about china and its tight knit to anything bad, is comforting, and numb us from our real problem.
thank you wall street journal.
Fake Snow goes with Fake News😂🤣😂
actually,its snow in Beijing now
this media has bad intention
Thumbs up to China. This is incredible.
how is Beijing being a summer place????
Maybe they did their research for this story on a tourist site and saw Beijing has a Summer Palace? Otherwise, there is no reasonable explanation.
as the commentator mentioned, the location is dry and China has to pump water to its northen region every year, guess what will happen when Summer came? the artificial snow melted and it water down the dry surface and that's the work they do every year
the magic of climate is, it precipitates in summer.
800 swimming pools? Just this? There are thousands of swimming pools in China, basically it’s hours usage.
Every winter olympics host used this machine.
WTH is going on with you WSJ?
Like it's economy, even the snow is fake.
Do u know what snow is???
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xD, when I saw the news headline, I thought it was snow made of plastic.
fake Snow or fake news？
I see Chinese claiming that artificial snow is not fake snow. I do agree but the problem with Beijing is that it is placed in summer place unlike any other olympics, which makes the artificial snow to not work as it is suppose to. Why r Chinese blind to the facts
When you find that you can't complain about Beijing's air pollution because of the blue sky, you turn to "fake snow" as if it were a bad thing. Have you asked the athletes for their opinion? BTW, there is NATURAL snow today in Beijing.
There is big snow right now in Beijing! HAHAHAHAHA😜
“It can’t ever be 100% again”.. In this environment, even far North elevation resorts are having frequent thaws, and from what I’ve seen as a frequent skier, heavy rains can sneak into this equation quickly melting a good portion of natural snow.. Truth is we will likely have to rely on snowmaking to ensure the 2 week stretch of the Winter games can happen.
Winter Olympic should be cancelled, indeed
Don't watch for now until it happens
Real and heavy snow today but the athletes like fake snow as they perform better.
Unfortunately, athletes in competitive sports are more accustomed to stable artificial snow than harsh natural snow.
What do you you expect from china
China followed what the US did in the 1980s?! I didn't expect China to do that..lol
Why did the Chinese choose this particular location to hold the Winter Olympics?
Come on artificial snow is not a new thing , it has been used for all competitions since 2000….can you guys just be educated?
When you talking about shameless, this is super extreme NYT
But to make artificial snow, they have to first make artificial water, by combining two hydrogen atoms with every one hydrogen atom.
well it is snowing heavily right now in Beijing.
today athletes and their coaches complain there is too much real snow! shame on WSJ
Yes, the slopestyle skiing delayed due to weather.
Nobody is gonna watch that in protest
Maybe just rotate winter Olympics within countries which already hosted and just updating the facilities
The Olympic Committee should have taken a stronger position when selecting the Olympic Games location and considered the environmental, social, and economic impact on the local communities
Are you kidding? Most Chinese folks are seeing the Games as a source of pride
They did.
Beijing/Zhangjiakou is a good choice
What do you call the same snow made in the United States? The choice of word fake tells a lot about the person
Snow banned in the US. Coz they usually come in white.
China is using DHMO to make snow. Those are not good for you. In the US, we don't use water to make snow.
“Snow” conditions at these Winter Olympics has been absolutely horrible. The IOC should’ve selected a region or country with real snow. Just look at how many wipeouts/crashes there have been in the men’s and women’s skiing courses.
China won ~ so sad ~
Are you talking about heli skiing lol
So, in response to your complaint, it has been snowing in Beijing, even delaying events because of it. So, have you changed your mind about this or was there another motivation to post your comment?
“If not ideal” why do it?
This is proving to be an issue. The quality of the race course is woeful. 49 of 80 contestants in the alpine racing slipped or crashed.
Where is the conscience of WSJ？
Man speaking Chinese in China.
Subtitle: (speaking in foreign language)
after the news，Beijing and Zhangjiakou are snowing
3:13 guy is a little too excited. I doubt that snow can damage the machine.
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Nice video.
Not many countries can host winter Olympics with natural snow. Those who have natural snow didn't bid for the game or withdrew because of the cost so what can we do unless we cancel the game.
So, now that it's snowing in Beijing can we expect an update on this from the WSJ? Probably not because your publication is just another Murdoch propaganda machine stirring up division between people.
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artificial snow is commonly used for winter olympics. whats your problem?
As what your reporters said it is artificial snow, not fake snow.
no snow, blame China
heavy snow, blame China
if nothing to blame China, blame CCP
About 80% of the snow used in Sochi in 2014 was artificial, and that number went as high as 98% for the 2018 Pyeongchang Games in South Korea..artificial snow in Olympics is nothing new..
This same comment is everywhere and it's not even correct