My absolute favorite video in the surf and show series. It’s got the bonus videos that make me feel like I’m standing right there next to you. The soundtrack of a band that is no longer together. Last but not least it displays you getting it on that short board. I think this was the first video that i seen that got me hooked to the surf board reviews thus spanning a loyal fan for years to come. Thank you Noel for doing this I watch your reviews all the time over and over again. Great job
Thought i would put up my experience as an average surfer if it helps someone else.I got the black & white 6'2x19.5x2 7/16. I'm 5'8 and 70kg. I usually ride 6'10 as i was 95kg and was learning. Didn't really progress much and rode mals .Never really changed or bought new boards for 8 years. Got the black and white in those dims as i wasn't really confident on smaller boards. But this board has improved my surfing in 6 months like a pro (ok 46yo grommet). I wish i did get it smaller but have put on 5kg now 75kg and really use it in good waves, floats me easily,paddles great, found the xtra 5kg handy as it drives a lot better. Mainly snapper rocks and dbah and it rips. Never thought i could surf like i am. I use large fcs 2 carvers 4ft and over and medium accelerators in 2-3ft. Recommend it highly.
Great review noel, awesome soundtrack too, I Love my B+w , such a versatile board, bought the B+w to replace a js monster 8 for our local point breaks, absolutely stoked with it,
And for anyone interested I've got the stock 6'2" , 19 1/2 , 2 7/16 - 32ltr, I'm 180cm/5'11", 82kg/181lb , intermediate ability, and for fins for the black and white I like to use large Am2s - fcs2
Great board, great review, but there is a mistake in board's volume : you say it's a 26.8 L, but the video shows 28.6L :D but by the dims it was clear that the board was arround the 26's. Cheers Noel you are the best.
Blade Runner Thanks... sometimes I make mistakes and sometimes the Liters are written wrong on my boards. Either way it’s my bad... thanks for posting this. Cheers
Awesome review Noel! Watched a ton of your videos and decided on the Black & White as my next short board. Just ordered my custom board from CI online!
hey noel met you at bsr a few weeks back! super sick and you were ripping!! Something im curious about is on the bsr website they say the wave is comparable to the cove section at rincon. If that is true would that mean the black and white would go good there because it was designed up in those type of waves? Same goes with the sampler.
Michael Smith I’ve surfed the Cove at Rincon a bit and not sure the wave at BSR is similar to any wave in the ocean. There is punch to it but you want your BSR boards to be a bit shorter to fit in the tight hollow transitions quickly. A stock HPSB will not go good there unless you size it down. My first Choice would not be a B & W, Fever, or Happy even sizes down. I like boards like the NB2, UB XL, The Medina, and Akila Aipa Mod Fish!
nice take on fins . Since you only mention futures , could you please help on the fcs 2 selection for the b&w? maybe a 3 fin selection advice for different conditions like you did with futures in the video? AM performance core will be the same as the RTM tech 1 futures (yellow)?
Thanks Noel for the excellent work on your reviews! Sincere compliments on the fluid and stylish surfing as well. I am about to order a HPSB and am down to the Zeus or the BW. The BW seems like it may be a bit more versatil than the Zeus.The board would be mostly surfed at a wave similar to Lowers. Thanks
jimmy slagle I would go B&W for sure. So fast down the line and super smooth rail to rail. I also like the new Fever coming out by CI shortly. The best HPSB by CI yet!!!! You might want to wait a week or two for them to launch it. My review on the Fever comes out next week.
Very awesome videos! I really like how you have the speed and angle displayed on your videos. That's the first I've seen that. It's super helpful as well too by having a ways to actually measure performance! You're a great surfer too! Wow awesome! Can you make videos on surfing tips as well? Personally I've spent the last 3-4 years unlearning all the bad habits I've picked up. Itd be great to have someone like you go over what it takes to surf at your level and how to get there. Again, thank you for your videos!
Stoked you like the show!!! I am pretty set on doing reviews on boards and gear at this time but you never know I might do other stuff like you are requesting in the future. Cheers
Hi Noel, thanks for the awesome reviews mate, really helpful. Nice to see you actually surfing the different models (quite well too man). Anyway i'm after a back up board for my Fever for an upcoming trip to Indo. Was looking at the B&W to slot into the quiver for those sweet 4-6ft sessions or if by chance i was to break my Fever. Thinking of the stock 6'3 as i'm 5'11 205lbs Int/Adv skills. Should work hey?? Cheers from Byron Bay Aus.
Craig Allsep Stoked you like the show!!! The B&W is a great back up to your Fever for sure. I would get the B&W with similar volume to your Fever. It has a flat deck so the rail is a little fuller and the board paddles very well. The B&W is mental and very forgiving so I am sure you will shred on it. Cheers
Hi, just used the board, in solid 6 feet glassy waves. Just felt the board very low entry rocker as described, good power paddle, but exit rocker is not pronunced at all, pretty straight too, or at least mine compared to my other boards. Mine is a 5 11 stock dims. Not versatile at all, this board felt hard to make tight turns in the pocket. Not very happy with it but i will still continue trying it to see if i can get used to it. Cheers ernie
Hi Noel, Great review! I love how you are the only person who has video footage of you riding these boards. I always felt that the other reviewers always say the same thing that the website say and can never really believe them unless they are out there in the water using these boards. I'm roughly your height and weight but not even close to your skill level. What size would you recommend for someone not at your skill level for a standard short board? I was thinking of increasing the volume up and choosing a 5'11'' or 6'0''? Any thoughts?
Thanks for the great reviews Noel! Would you ever go for the Flex Bar in the black and white? I keep hearing that it is better for small wave boards, but I haven't been able to give it a go.
Glad you like the show!!! I would love to get the B&W in the Flexbar construction. I think CI has the flex down on these because their R&D is so intense. I think Flexbar is the future in construction for a few reasons. An EPS board without the chatter and other nuances of most EPS'. The ability to adjust flex for board type and surfers style, the smoothest ride for high performance surfing, and 1 year warranty on breaks or buckles. Need I say more.... I don't get paid from CI to say these things, I just think Flexbar is legit.
You should have more viewers. Very in depth reviews. I would like to see some less performance oriented boards, more for average skilled surfers but still, great reviews. Keep it up!
Cheers and thank you! Did you check out the reviews on the High 5, Mini, and the Pod Mod? I think those fit the "less performance oriented boards." Thanks for the comment.....
Hi Noel, You have been great on my progression lately as I am trying to surf waves on short board after surfing for over 30 years. I bought the pod mod at 5'10 and mastered, progressed to sampler 5'10 and now looking for next step. I surf LA north point breaks, just bought 5'8 BV Chilli, but looking forward and wondering what your thoughts on either CI B/W or Fever for HP shortboarding? Thanks, Rick
R Watty Sorry I missed your questions Rick. Both the B&W and the Fever are EPIC boards. I like the Fever better.... faster and more responsive. Both models are Performance boards but you should be ready for this transition now. Fever all the way for me... and it’s still pretty user friendly. Cheers
Thanks....I really like the instant speed of the lower nose rocker on the black and white, really helps getting into waves early and paddling. Are there any other models that this happens with?
Matthew Jones The Peregrine and the Sampler have low entry rocker like the B&W. All 3 of these boards paddle really well and have great speed down the line. Cheers!!!
Thanks...I found the Sampler to thick on the rail, mine was 2 3/8...my black and white is 2 3/16 and feels perfect. Do you feel the black and white and perigrine are more tapered than the sampler even though they all have flat decks?
Matthew Jones My B&W and Peregrine felt full on the rails and they were 2 1/4 thick. The rails on my Sampler at 2 5/16 feels more tapered then my B&W. Not sure why your Sampler did not feel right for you.....
Stoked to hear that you liked the review.... Yes I am pretty set with CI as they are my favorite boards. It also takes me roughly 3 weeks to get 1 review done and CI has new models coming out all the time so I am always playing catch up. Thank you for the comment though. Cheers!!!
Hey Noel, great channel. Love the surfing and reviews. I was wondering, do you order your customs "Team Light" glassing, or do you just go with the standard "Ultra Light"? I've always wanted know if you can go up in liters without losing performance if the glassing is lighter.
Jeff Machado Great question. I usually go team light on my customs but if I am ordering an EPS then I might go Ultra Light because they are light already. On another note I always order my small wave boards super light. I think if you add liters then keep it light so you can turn it quickly.
Hi Noel, I'm Tirso from Spain. Great video and great surfing! I have an uncoming trip to Indo and I wanted to know whether is this a suitable board for the trip, or would suggest to bring a more adequate board (I'm open to any suggestions). Thank you in advance!
Tirso del rey I think the B&W would be a fun board for your trip. I also think the Rook 15 would be great as it has more entry rocker than the B&W. When the waves get really hollow you might want that entry rocker on the Rook 15. I would suggest both if you have the funds. I would use the B&W for the 5' feet and under days and the Rook 15 for the 6' and up days. I hope this helps.
Thanks!!! The B&W and the NF are completely different boards from foot orientation, to concaves and rockers. The hip or bump on the NF is also pretty pronounced compared to the B&W.These 4 things make these two boards day and night from each other. I am more of a neutral to front footed surfer so the B&W feels better under my feet right away. I also surf Trestles all the time and it has a bit of slope to the waves so I tend to like boards with low entry rocker like the B&W. The B&W has a single concave to Vee out the tail and the NF has single to aggressive spiral Vee in front of the fins that run through the tail. This difference in concaves make all the difference in the world on feel under my feet. The Merrick bump in the tail on the NF is really pronounced and it makes the board pivot really good especially for a back footed surfer like Bobby Martinez. Bobby can rip on anything but I think NF really suits his style of surfing because he is more of a back footed surfer. I hope all of this answers your question......The B&W is more MY style of a high performance short board compared to the NF. Cheers!!!
Noel thank you for all your reviews and great information brother. The Sampler is absolutely my favorite board. Would you say the Black and White surfs similar to the Sampler for better waves other models maybe? Any information is helpful.
I love the reviews keep them going also I was just talking to you about the rusty chew toy I'm a grom 5ft 90 pounds what CI boards would you recommend or do you think I should just go with the chew toy and what's your thoughts about a front foot pad?? Hopefully you can help me..!👍
Thanks glad you liked it. The B&W has a single concave to Vee out the tail. The Sampler feels faster to me but they are both pretty quick. I like the Sampler for small waves and the B&W for waves 3-5 and up. Cheers!
Would you say it's a decent all arounder? Looking for something to perform in both weak 3ft waves and punchy 7ft... Thinking about b&w/fever/fred rubble/js monsta box... Any thoughts?
Matthew Jones I do have a B&W round tail and it feels great. The Round tail holds better in my carves and round houses. One of the major differences is the Round tail will make rounder turns and generate more speed in and out of turns. The Squash tail will pivot faster and release better. I also noticed the Round tail being a little stiffer but you can loosen it up a bit with a more upright Fin.
Glad you liked the review. I think the Rocket 9 is a bit more versatile than the B&W because you can ride the Rocket 9 as a groveler with the Twin fin plus a small center fin. I would go Rocket 9 if you are trying to do a two in one board for small and over head surf. Cheers!
Thanks! How big of a wave can the board handle? I have been ridding the Podmod and love it. Looking for a step up board for when waves are bigger, head high plus.
Sorry Noel, I meant the Rocket 9. What size wave can it handle? I feel the Podmod can handle 5 ft. Don't want to get something to similar to the Podmod. If the Rocket 9 can only handle 6 ft than may go with the B & W. To many decisions! lol
It sounds like the Dozer would surf the similar wave sizes but not sure on the contours and attributes. If I knew the details about the Dozer then I could tell you if the B&W and Dozer are similar.
Surf Show and Tell Reviews Sir Noel, the Rusty dozer is here , look the link, you will know the shape attributes : ( i will get the TLPC version ) Rusty Dozer TLPC www.surftech.com/surf/rusty-dozer-tlpc " Walking the line between a fishy slab and a performance short board, the Rusty Dozer packs about as much volume as possible into a traditional shortboard outline, with a couple unique tweaks that keep it lively. For intermediate to advanced riders in all conditions."
They say this : " Shortboard fishy slab hybrid / Knee to head high waves / High-performance shortboard rocker / Squash tail with accentuated V / TL Pro Carbon construction " ...what do'ya think dude ?
ttv74 I think it would go great. The B&W would be a fun in 2-3 and up in those DIMS. I have thought about it before. Are you thinking about trying that?
I have not tried the B&W in the smaller DIMS but I think it will go good because of the low entry rocker. It should have some drive down the line even though it has a good amount of tail rocker.
I just got the B&W in the round tail and it feels great. I rode it yesterday for the first time in 3-4 foot surf and it had great drive in and out of my turns and smooth on the transitions. The turns are a bit more round and the carves and cutbacks feel so good.
Hi Noel, Cool, thanks for the feedback and next board will be the Fever! Any suggestions on sizing. I weigh 5'9 160 and have the 5'10 sampler, and just got the Chilli Black Vulture at 5'8 29Ltrs.?
I am not sure, this will be first performance board. Ive been working toward this for last year and half, with pod mod, sampler, chilli. My sampler is 31.4ltr. and now chilli is 29lts, trying to get down on litres for more performance. I was thinking custom 5'10 19 3/8 2 3/8 puts at 28 ltrs. standard is 18 5/8 2 5/16 at 26.4, or maybe go to 5'11 and custom a bit?
Great video and interview. But holy crap man, that music at the end was terrible. Whiny punk music that an angry 13yo would listen too when told no more video games.
My absolute favorite video in the surf and show series. It’s got the bonus videos that make me feel like I’m standing right there next to you. The soundtrack of a band that is no longer together. Last but not least it displays you getting it on that short board. I think this was the first video that i seen that got me hooked to the surf board reviews thus spanning a loyal fan for years to come. Thank you Noel for doing this I watch your reviews all the time over and over again. Great job
Miguel Marquina So stoked to have a fan like you bro. Keep shredding and I will see you out in the water again soon!
Miguel Marquina So stoked to have a fan like you bro. Keep shredding and I will see you out in the water again soon!
I reckon your surfing really shines on this board.keep up the great work Noel
Thought i would put up my experience as an average surfer if it helps someone else.I got the black & white 6'2x19.5x2 7/16. I'm 5'8 and 70kg. I usually ride 6'10 as i was 95kg and was learning. Didn't really progress much and rode mals .Never really changed or bought new boards for 8 years. Got the black and white in those dims as i wasn't really confident on smaller boards. But this board has improved my surfing in 6 months like a pro (ok 46yo grommet). I wish i did get it smaller but have put on 5kg now 75kg and really use it in good waves, floats me easily,paddles great, found the xtra 5kg handy as it drives a lot better. Mainly snapper rocks and dbah and it rips. Never thought i could surf like i am. I use large fcs 2 carvers 4ft and over and medium accelerators in 2-3ft. Recommend it highly.
David Mcintosh Epic post.... I am sure this will help surfers. Cheers and I am glad you like the BW!
Learning lots watching these- Noel is dropping Science 🧪! Plus, at 40+, ripping hard on a short board
Mate, you're ripping in this review. Love it.
Great review noel, awesome soundtrack too, I Love my B+w , such a versatile board, bought the B+w to replace a js monster 8 for our local point breaks, absolutely stoked with it,
J Boy Surf Stoked... yeww
And for anyone interested I've got the stock 6'2" , 19 1/2 , 2 7/16 - 32ltr,
I'm 180cm/5'11", 82kg/181lb , intermediate ability, and for fins for the black and white I like to use large Am2s - fcs2
So informative, always love the videos
Great Review as always Noel. Love your thorough approach, very cool.
Awesome thanks
I love how it looks like you're alone at Trestles!
Gregoire Faber Ha... I wish
Great board, great review, but there is a mistake in board's volume : you say it's a 26.8 L, but the video shows 28.6L :D
but by the dims it was clear that the board was arround the 26's. Cheers Noel you are the best.
Blade Runner Thanks... sometimes I make mistakes and sometimes the Liters are written wrong on my boards. Either way it’s my bad... thanks for posting this. Cheers
Awesome review Noel! Watched a ton of your videos and decided on the Black & White as my next short board. Just ordered my custom board from CI online!
Thats awesome!!! Congrats your going to love it. Let me know how it goes when you get it.
Rad Noel, thanks for sharing the vid
Hi Noel,
Been a few years since this review. If you had to compare the Black/White with the Happy, which would you say is a better board?
The BnW Carrie’s more speed and easier to shred. I like the BnW better for So Cal waves. My favorite HPSB is the Fever though
Thanks!
hey noel met you at bsr a few weeks back! super sick and you were ripping!! Something im curious about is on the bsr website they say the wave is comparable to the cove section at rincon. If that is true would that mean the black and white would go good there because it was designed up in those type of waves? Same goes with the sampler.
Michael Smith I’ve surfed the Cove at Rincon a bit and not sure the wave at BSR is similar to any wave in the ocean. There is punch to it but you want your BSR boards to be a bit shorter to fit in the tight hollow transitions quickly. A stock HPSB will not go good there unless you size it down. My first Choice would not be a B & W, Fever, or Happy even sizes down. I like boards like the NB2, UB XL, The Medina, and Akila Aipa Mod Fish!
awesome vid Noel...excellent skills! Really nice graphics (dashboard)
Cheers!! Stoked you like the show....
nice take on fins . Since you only mention futures ,
could you please help on the fcs 2 selection for the b&w?
maybe a 3 fin selection advice for different conditions like you did with futures in the video?
AM performance core will be the same as the RTM tech 1 futures (yellow)?
Mosbys Yes the PC in FCSII is the same as the RTM Honeycomb in Futures.
Thanks Noel for the excellent work on your reviews! Sincere compliments on the fluid and stylish surfing as well. I am about to order a HPSB and am down to the Zeus or the BW. The BW seems like it may be a bit more versatil than the Zeus.The board would be mostly surfed at a wave similar to Lowers. Thanks
jimmy slagle I would go B&W for sure. So fast down the line and super smooth rail to rail. I also like the new Fever coming out by CI shortly. The best HPSB by CI yet!!!! You might want to wait a week or two for them to launch it. My review on the Fever comes out next week.
Still think this board is the one that looks best on you, real solid
Pablo Fernández Really??? Ok then
@@surfnshowreviews7777 yea just seems so smooth between turns and looks like you really are able to lean on those turns
Very awesome videos! I really like how you have the speed and angle displayed on your videos. That's the first I've seen that. It's super helpful as well too by having a ways to actually measure performance! You're a great surfer too! Wow awesome! Can you make videos on surfing tips as well? Personally I've spent the last 3-4 years unlearning all the bad habits I've picked up. Itd be great to have someone like you go over what it takes to surf at your level and how to get there. Again, thank you for your videos!
Stoked you like the show!!! I am pretty set on doing reviews on boards and gear at this time but you never know I might do other stuff like you are requesting in the future. Cheers
Hi Noel, thanks for the awesome reviews mate, really helpful. Nice to see you actually surfing the different models (quite well too man). Anyway i'm after a back up board for my Fever for an upcoming trip to Indo. Was looking at the B&W to slot into the quiver for those sweet 4-6ft sessions or if by chance i was to break my Fever. Thinking of the stock 6'3 as i'm 5'11 205lbs Int/Adv skills. Should work hey?? Cheers from Byron Bay Aus.
Craig Allsep Stoked you like the show!!! The B&W is a great back up to your Fever for sure. I would get the B&W with similar volume to your Fever. It has a flat deck so the rail is a little fuller and the board paddles very well. The B&W is mental and very forgiving so I am sure you will shred on it. Cheers
Hi, just used the board, in solid 6 feet glassy waves. Just felt the board very low entry rocker as described, good power paddle, but exit rocker is not pronunced at all, pretty straight too, or at least mine compared to my other boards. Mine is a 5 11 stock dims. Not versatile at all, this board felt hard to make tight turns in the pocket. Not very happy with it but i will still continue trying it to see if i can get used to it. Cheers ernie
patricia florio Ernie thanks for your feedback. Sorry to hear that you we're struggling with the tail rocker.... what fins did you have in there?
Hi Noel,
Great review! I love how you are the only person who has video footage of you riding these boards. I always felt that the other reviewers always say the same thing that the website say and can never really believe them unless they are out there in the water using these boards.
I'm roughly your height and weight but not even close to your skill level. What size would you recommend for someone not at your skill level for a standard short board? I was thinking of increasing the volume up and choosing a 5'11'' or 6'0''? Any thoughts?
wef 0909 Thanks for the props on the show.
How tall are you and how much do you weigh?
Surf n Show Reviews 5'10" 170 lbs
wef 0909 I would go 6'0". If you go shorter it will be really responsive and it sounds like you want a little more stability.
Awesome, thanks for your input. Keep up the great work!
wef 0909 Cheers thanks!!!
You shred Noel! Yew
Thanks bro!!! The B&W is sick......
Thanks for the great reviews Noel! Would you ever go for the Flex Bar in the black and white? I keep hearing that it is better for small wave boards, but I haven't been able to give it a go.
Glad you like the show!!! I would love to get the B&W in the Flexbar construction. I think CI has the flex down on these because their R&D is so intense. I think Flexbar is the future in construction for a few reasons. An EPS board without the chatter and other nuances of most EPS'. The ability to adjust flex for board type and surfers style, the smoothest ride for high performance surfing, and 1 year warranty on breaks or buckles. Need I say more.... I don't get paid from CI to say these things, I just think Flexbar is legit.
You should have more viewers. Very in depth reviews. I would like to see some less performance oriented boards, more for average skilled surfers but still, great reviews. Keep it up!
Cheers and thank you! Did you check out the reviews on the High 5, Mini, and the Pod Mod? I think those fit the "less performance oriented boards." Thanks for the comment.....
keep the performance stuff coming man plenty of alternative craft reviews out there
Hi Noel,
You have been great on my progression lately as I am trying to surf waves on short board after surfing for over 30 years. I bought the pod mod at 5'10 and mastered, progressed to sampler 5'10 and now looking for next step.
I surf LA north point breaks, just bought 5'8 BV Chilli, but looking forward and wondering what your thoughts on either CI B/W or Fever for HP shortboarding?
Thanks,
Rick
R Watty Sorry I missed your questions Rick. Both the B&W and the Fever are EPIC boards. I like the Fever better.... faster and more responsive. Both models are Performance boards but you should be ready for this transition now. Fever all the way for me... and it’s still pretty user friendly. Cheers
Hi Noel,
I had a couple questions a couple months ago below and never heard back?
Thanks!
R Watty Sorry I missed your questions. I answered them...
Thanks....I really like the instant speed of the lower nose rocker on the black and white, really helps getting into waves early and paddling. Are there any other models that this happens with?
Matthew Jones The Peregrine and the Sampler have low entry rocker like the B&W. All 3 of these boards paddle really well and have great speed down the line. Cheers!!!
Thanks...I found the Sampler to thick on the rail, mine was 2 3/8...my black and white is 2 3/16 and feels perfect. Do you feel the black and white and perigrine are more tapered than the sampler even though they all have flat decks?
Matthew Jones My B&W and Peregrine felt full on the rails and they were 2 1/4 thick. The rails on my Sampler at 2 5/16 feels more tapered then my B&W. Not sure why your Sampler did not feel right for you.....
Ok...I think the stock 2 3/8 was just to thick. If I'd gone 2 3/16 on the sampler I'm sure they would have felt good...
Matthew Jones I think 2 5/16 would be good for you.....
excellent as always shredder, thanks man. some non-CI reviews would be great, bit I guess you guys are pretty exclusively CI?
Stoked to hear that you liked the review.... Yes I am pretty set with CI as they are my favorite boards. It also takes me roughly 3 weeks to get 1 review done and CI has new models coming out all the time so I am always playing catch up. Thank you for the comment though. Cheers!!!
Hey Noel, great channel. Love the surfing and reviews.
I was wondering, do you order your customs "Team Light" glassing, or do you just go with the standard "Ultra Light"? I've always wanted know if you can go up in liters without losing performance if the glassing is lighter.
Jeff Machado Great question. I usually go team light on my customs but if I am ordering an EPS then I might go Ultra Light because they are light already. On another note I always order my small wave boards super light. I think if you add liters then keep it light so you can turn it quickly.
Surf Show and Tell Reviews right on, Noel! Thanks for the response. Keep up the good work
Hi Noel,
I'm Tirso from Spain. Great video and great surfing!
I have an uncoming trip to Indo and I wanted to know whether is this a suitable board for the trip, or would suggest to bring a more adequate board (I'm open to any suggestions). Thank you in advance!
Tirso del rey I think the B&W would be a fun board for your trip. I also think the Rook 15 would be great as it has more entry rocker than the B&W. When the waves get really hollow you might want that entry rocker on the Rook 15. I would suggest both if you have the funds. I would use the B&W for the 5' feet and under days and the Rook 15 for the 6' and up days. I hope this helps.
Excellent review again Noel, how does it compare to the New Flyer?
cheers
Thanks!!! The B&W and the NF are completely different boards from foot orientation, to concaves and rockers. The hip or bump on the NF is also pretty pronounced compared to the B&W.These 4 things make these two boards day and night from each other. I am more of a neutral to front footed surfer so the B&W feels better under my feet right away. I also surf Trestles all the time and it has a bit of slope to the waves so I tend to like boards with low entry rocker like the B&W. The B&W has a single concave to Vee out the tail and the NF has single to aggressive spiral Vee in front of the fins that run through the tail. This difference in concaves make all the difference in the world on feel under my feet. The Merrick bump in the tail on the NF is really pronounced and it makes the board pivot really good especially for a back footed surfer like Bobby Martinez. Bobby can rip on anything but I think NF really suits his style of surfing because he is more of a back footed surfer. I hope all of this answers your question......The B&W is more MY style of a high performance short board compared to the NF. Cheers!!!
Noel thank you for all your reviews and great information brother. The Sampler is absolutely my favorite board. Would you say the Black and White surfs similar to the Sampler for better waves other models maybe? Any information is helpful.
rippert The B&W is sick but the Fever is better. You will love it in good waves 3-8’.
That sounds epic I know you loved the fever. My Sampler is stock 5'9" what do you suggest for sizing a fever?
rippert Roughly the same liters as your Sampler
I love the reviews keep them going also I was just talking to you about the rusty chew toy I'm a grom 5ft 90 pounds what CI boards would you recommend or do you think I should just go with the chew toy and what's your thoughts about a front foot pad?? Hopefully you can help me..!👍
Can you please help
Howzit Noel, Another great review... Is there a double concave in btwn the fins of the BW? Which is faster, the BW or the Sampler? Mahalos
Thanks glad you liked it. The B&W has a single concave to Vee out the tail. The Sampler feels faster to me but they are both pretty quick. I like the Sampler for small waves and the B&W for waves 3-5 and up. Cheers!
Would you say it's a decent all arounder? Looking for something to perform in both weak 3ft waves and punchy 7ft... Thinking about b&w/fever/fred rubble/js monsta box... Any thoughts?
alon nir All those boards are sick but I Say Fever!!!
Hi, I have a 6'0 black and white round tail and considering a 5'10 squash tail. Have you ridden the round tail and know how they compare?
Matthew Jones I do have a B&W round tail and it feels great. The Round tail holds better in my carves and round houses. One of the major differences is the Round tail will make rounder turns and generate more speed in and out of turns.
The Squash tail will pivot faster and release better.
I also noticed the Round tail being a little stiffer but you can loosen it up a bit with a more upright Fin.
What do you reckon compared to the peregrine?
I think they are both fast but the B&W is smoother in rail to rail transitions. I also like the B&W better in the pocket. Cheers!!!
Great review! Would this board work for Florida waves or would you recommend Rocket 9? Thx
Glad you liked the review. I think the Rocket 9 is a bit more versatile than the B&W because you can ride the Rocket 9 as a groveler with the Twin fin plus a small center fin. I would go Rocket 9 if you are trying to do a two in one board for small and over head surf. Cheers!
Thanks! How big of a wave can the board handle? I have been ridding the Podmod and love it. Looking for a step up board for when waves are bigger, head high plus.
John Pro I think the B&W can handle 6-8 foot surf for me. Order it in a round tail and it will handle the bigger surf no problem. Cheers
Sorry Noel, I meant the Rocket 9. What size wave can it handle? I feel the Podmod can handle 5 ft. Don't want to get something to similar to the Podmod. If the Rocket 9 can only handle 6 ft than may go with the B & W. To many decisions! lol
I just watched your rocket 9 review again. 6 ft is the answer. Thx
it looks very close to the Rusty dozer ? same shape, same abilities ? tell me Noel ..
It sounds like the Dozer would surf the similar wave sizes but not sure on the contours and attributes. If I knew the details about the Dozer then I could tell you if the B&W and Dozer are similar.
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Sir Noel, the Rusty dozer is here , look the link, you will know the shape attributes : ( i will get the TLPC version ) Rusty Dozer TLPC
www.surftech.com/surf/rusty-dozer-tlpc
" Walking the line between a fishy slab and a performance short board, the Rusty Dozer packs about as much volume as possible into a traditional shortboard outline, with a couple unique tweaks that keep it lively. For intermediate to advanced riders in all conditions."
They say this : " Shortboard fishy slab hybrid /
Knee to head high waves / High-performance shortboard rocker / Squash tail with accentuated V / TL Pro Carbon construction " ...what do'ya think dude ?
Jazay Surf Club I think it looks pretty good. The TLPC is a good material. Very durable and long lasting. Let me know how it goes.
You surf like Kelly would if he's just cruising, I can't get it out of my head
C Park Epic!!!! What a compliment. Cheers
Hi NoelGreat reviews, I know you like trying different boards, how do you think the B&W would go in the same dims as your 5'7 sampler?
Cheers
ttv74 I think it would go great. The B&W would be a fun in 2-3 and up in those DIMS. I have thought about it before. Are you thinking about trying that?
Noel I am , but was hoping if you did, to get your thoughts on it.
I have not tried the B&W in the smaller DIMS but I think it will go good because of the low entry rocker. It should have some drive down the line even though it has a good amount of tail rocker.
I just got the B&W in the round tail and it feels great. I rode it yesterday for the first time in 3-4 foot surf and it had great drive in and out of my turns and smooth on the transitions. The turns are a bit more round and the carves and cutbacks feel so good.
Nice, do you prefer the round tail over the rounded square?
Also looking at V3 stealth?
R Watty Go Fever!!! You will love it and it will handle bigger surf better than the V3 Stealth.
Hi Noel,
Cool, thanks for the feedback and next board will be the Fever!
Any suggestions on sizing. I weigh 5'9 160 and have the 5'10 sampler, and just got the Chilli Black Vulture at 5'8 29Ltrs.?
R Watty What liters do you ride on You Performance boards? I suggest the same as the Sampler or 1 liter less.
I am not sure, this will be first performance board. Ive been working toward this for last year and half, with pod mod, sampler, chilli. My sampler is 31.4ltr. and now chilli is 29lts, trying to get down on litres for more performance. I was thinking custom 5'10 19 3/8 2 3/8 puts at 28 ltrs. standard is 18 5/8 2 5/16 at 26.4, or maybe go to 5'11 and custom a bit?
R Watty I say don’t go under 28 liters. Keep working your way down.
Great video and interview. But holy crap man, that music at the end was terrible. Whiny punk music that an angry 13yo would listen too when told no more video games.